| 00:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | of course you also can start arbitrary media from filemanager |
| 00:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 00:01.53 | infobot | i guess xyawn is coffee |
| 00:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | try again! |
| 00:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 00:02.03 | infobot | xyawn is, like, strong coffee |
| 00:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | better, but... |
| 00:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 00:02.16 | infobot | xyawn is probably big coffee |
| 00:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:04.08 | Muzaq | im wondering if i can make calls using google talk/voice instead of calling out using gsm. qgvdial and dialcentral appear to use either gsm or skype. anyone have any experiences? |
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| 00:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | use SIP |
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| 00:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | works just fine, at least via 3G |
| 00:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | at least as long as your carrier doesn't poop in with selective "priorisation", or simply disallowing SIP |
| 00:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | e.g via special NAT rules |
| 00:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | it's pretty simple to ruin SIP, but it just works on networks that don't do that |
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| 01:58.53 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I disagree. 3G is too flaky |
| 01:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | maybe yours |
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| 02:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | O2-Germany works fine |
| 02:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | last time I tried |
| 02:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | maybe an itsy bit laggy |
| 02:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | like 0.3s |
| 02:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | you probably wouldn't notice if you don't call yourself like I did |
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| 03:06.30 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: well, T-Mobile is the only option in the US, and 3G is spotty enough; it doesn't seem to work reliably for SIP even when uninterrupted, though |
| 03:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I guess t-mo is mean enough to intentionally spoil SIP |
| 03:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | O2 otoh offers voicecall flat rates for same fee as their 5GB data "flat rate", and they save the termination fee for outbound calls wehn user is using SIP via arbitarry 3rd SIP provider rather than a GSM call |
| 03:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | while for t-mo GSM calls to 40% of mobile phones and 90% of landlines are "free" when user uses GSM on their D1 network |
| 03:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | as they then own the whole network from origin to destination |
| 03:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | at least here in germany |
| 03:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | home of t-mo |
| 03:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
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| 03:49.52 | EdLin | What, if I have the money, would be a better Linux-computer-in-your-pocket device to get, an n900 or n9? Is developer support still good for the n900, or has it all migrated to the n9? |
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| 03:59.40 | ShadowJK | isn't sure about activity on either |
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| 04:04.34 | EdLin | ShadowJK, hmm? |
| 04:06.13 | ShadowJK | But then I don't hang out on forums anymore :P |
| 04:06.19 | ShadowJK | and I don't hang out in the N9 channel |
| 04:06.35 | EdLin | OK. :) |
| 04:06.54 | ShadowJK | N9 takes some effort to unlock, I've understood |
| 04:07.00 | ShadowJK | while N900 is unlocked |
| 04:07.20 | EdLin | my main interest is getting something as open as possible. |
| 04:07.21 | ShadowJK | N9 has decent amount of RAM and faster cpu. N900 is kinda RAM starved, but it has hw keyboard |
| 04:07.45 | ShadowJK | the software on N900 is older |
| 04:08.52 | EdLin | can I say, easily run standard Linux software on n9 the same way one can on an n900 (or n810, which I have)? Is the basic stuff ported? |
| 04:09.27 | EdLin | for example, if I want to run gnupg and a linux email program with it, will it work OK on an n9? |
| 04:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | older == more mature here |
| 04:10.04 | EdLin | I don't care if it's a little old, I started programming for Linux in 1992 or therabouts. :) |
| 04:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | harmattan of N9 has aegis aka MSSF |
| 04:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 04:10.28 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 04:10.33 | ShadowJK | N900 is definitely more like N810 |
| 04:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | definitely |
| 04:11.03 | ShadowJK | But also keep in mind that you're talking to the two guys who just ordered their third N900s, so we might be a bit biased ;p |
| 04:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | while N9 is... like an andridiot device cooked in nitric acid |
| 04:11.15 | ShadowJK | Though DocScrutinizer has had N950 and N9? |
| 04:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | yup, I have the direct "diff" |
| 04:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | and N9/950 is MEH |
| 04:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | fo rme |
| 04:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | both nice phones, but not the N8x0/N900 NIT philosophy anymore |
| 04:13.09 | EdLin | where did you get your n900s from? I might want to get it from the same source, I don't really trust some cat in hong kong without dealing with them first. |
| 04:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | well, I found a dealer here in Germany |
| 04:13.45 | EdLin | do they ship to US? |
| 04:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | don't think so |
| 04:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | you should be able to find new ones in USA as well |
| 04:14.29 | EdLin | I haven't been able to find them on ebay located in USA. |
| 04:14.48 | EdLin | only either used, or new from hong kong, which is who knows what really. |
| 04:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | ebay is crap, I found the dealer via google |
| 04:15.08 | EdLin | OK.... maybe I should google then. |
| 04:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | have to check if what they offer is actually what I want |
| 04:16.44 | EdLin | ugh, $420 and up according to google shopping. |
| 04:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | seems a tad too high |
| 04:17.03 | EdLin | there is one entry that's 290, but that's really an xpress music nokia, not the same thing. ;-) |
| 04:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | though here they start at a few bucks less than 300EUR |
| 04:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | even used ones are sold for that price |
| 04:18.08 | EdLin | I really want it $300 or less, and the more less the better. |
| 04:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | you can get used ones for way less as well |
| 04:18.40 | EdLin | hong kong's "new n900" was $199, but I don't trust them. Too easy to get screwed. |
| 04:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 04:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | the only HK source for N900 I know of is 249EUR |
| 04:19.20 | EdLin | this was on eBay. |
| 04:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 04:20.02 | EdLin | http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nokia-N900-3G-32GB-WIFI-GPS-5MP-QWERTY-SmartPhone-/290672828957?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item43ad73621d#ht_4339wt_952 |
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| 04:21.03 | ShadowJK | I thought they were all made in korea? |
| 04:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | we're talking about where seller resides and devices ship from |
| 04:22.04 | EdLin | seller is in Hong Kong, they claim at the link device was made in finland, a likely story. ;-) |
| 04:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | I think there also were hungarian and finsih builds |
| 04:22.24 | EdLin | hmm, ok, I guess its possible then. |
| 04:23.56 | EdLin | I tried bidding on one a couple of days ago, bidding overshot my bid and went up to $200, so getting it much lower than the buy-it-now price isn't all that likely. |
| 04:24.24 | EdLin | I wasn't willing to spend $200 on it unless I knew it was good. |
| 04:24.46 | EdLin | not from China I wasn't. |
| 04:24.58 | EdLin | no offense to the Chinese meant of course. |
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| 04:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm also feeling hesitant |
| 04:26.44 | EdLin | yeah, the likelyhood of getting a lemon or even a KIRF for your troubles is too high. |
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| 04:48.09 | EdLin | lol, seller ratings for n900 are at "47%" with three stars. |
| 04:48.34 | EdLin | and of course only those low rated third parties are selling it there on Amazon. |
| 04:49.16 | EdLin | I found one on Craigslist, that's kind of promising, as long as it isn't a serial killer or something. ;p |
| 05:06.42 | robbiethe1st | Check Ebay |
| 05:06.58 | robbiethe1st | Ebay tends to be reliable for me |
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| 05:08.28 | robbiethe1st | http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nokia-N900-3G-32GB-WIFI-GPS-5MP-QWERTY-SmartPhone-/280829324626?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4162bb6d52 |
| 05:20.46 | EdLin | robbiethe1st, that's in Hong Kong.... I checked out expansys and they're selling refurbs for $199, and they're considered to be more or less a reliable dealer, so I think I'll go with them. |
| 05:21.04 | robbiethe1st | Fair enough |
| 05:21.09 | EdLin | robbiethe1st, unless you've bought from that dealer before. |
| 05:21.56 | robbiethe1st | No; I did notice however that it is /not/ the dual-sim knock-off, looks right, has maemo 5, and the seller has enough feedback to likely be good |
| 05:22.13 | robbiethe1st | Alternately, there are several used ones around that price |
| 05:22.35 | EdLin | I'm a bit worried about getting an n900 used sight-unseen, as I've heard of usb port troubles. |
| 05:23.34 | robbiethe1st | I've had said troubles: Typically, the port will either be fine, in which case you've got a while, or it won't be... and that will be told about in the auction |
| 05:23.54 | EdLin | OK. |
| 05:24.27 | robbiethe1st | Even if you get a /good/ one with /good/ port, the traces are weak; I'd still recommend using a blob of solder between the port and the neighboring chip tin cover to support it |
| 05:24.48 | robbiethe1st | Because repairing broken USB ports is a /pain/. |
| 05:24.51 | EdLin | ugh. |
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| 05:25.35 | robbiethe1st | My first N900 lasted about a year before the port broke |
| 05:25.51 | EdLin | the n900 seems to be about the best UMPC that's relatively open running Linux available, which is why I'm interested. My n810 is very nice, although slow, so I've been looking for a phone that's like it. |
| 05:26.30 | EdLin | I have an HTC HD2, but it's not like a computer in your pocket, though it does run several different mobile OSs. :) |
| 05:26.53 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:26.56 | robbiethe1st | It is. |
| 05:27.29 | robbiethe1st | I will say though that you do want to do some tweaks to make it more usable; stuff like Swappolube and -- honestly -- overclocking. |
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| 05:28.05 | EdLin | I was hoping that meego would eventually be available in open beta in working condition for the HD2, but that project seems to be on hold thanks to NokiaSoft burning the platform. |
| 05:28.42 | EdLin | and now I hear that meego is not all that open... :( |
| 05:28.47 | robbiethe1st | I'm hoping for a Kubuntu derivitive |
| 05:28.50 | robbiethe1st | and no, it isn't |
| 05:29.14 | robbiethe1st | N900 is great about running any software you can manage to get loaded |
| 05:29.20 | robbiethe1st | N9.... not so much |
| 05:29.44 | EdLin | yeah, I could run standard Linux programs, though open office taxed it a bit much, on my n810. :) |
| 05:30.05 | robbiethe1st | It's still taxing on my N900, even at 950mhz, but it does work. |
| 05:30.35 | robbiethe1st | I use it for converting .docs to .html, for ebook reading purposes, and while slow, it is usable for that |
| 05:30.37 | EdLin | my HD2 can run Ubuntu, but linux really sucks without any keyboard whatsoever. It actually is a better experience on my touch pro 2, even with the slower processor, because of that. |
| 05:30.46 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:32.50 | EdLin | robbiethe1st, you know Canonical has dropped Kubuntu, so if you want that running on it, it won't be the latest soon enough. |
| 05:33.24 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, I heard that |
| 05:33.28 | EdLin | maybe a derivitive will be made though that will be kept up to date. |
| 05:33.47 | robbiethe1st | Personally, what I want is a debian-derivitive(any), with a good UI. |
| 05:34.11 | EdLin | really I don't like a lot of the way that the latest GNOME/KDE/Unity desktops are going, tablet UIs don't work good on the desktop. |
| 05:34.13 | robbiethe1st | KDE is a good UI, along with Hildon. Actually, Swipe is a good UI also, but not /quite/ as good as hildon |
| 05:35.14 | EdLin | I liked KDE3, even KDE2 (KMail was nice when it had status messages!) |
| 05:35.16 | robbiethe1st | Eh... KDE's latest desktop UI looks fine for me. Looks to me like they're just desigining it with the 'plasma' widget part to be compatible with different UIs, so I could, say, run the same widgets on desktop, laptop, tablet, phone etc, |
| 05:35.28 | EdLin | that sounds cool. |
| 05:36.25 | EdLin | I like Qt a lot, it has a lot of portability and a good full featured API. |
| 05:38.24 | robbiethe1st | Yeah. I've really been impressed when I took a simple PyQT application I'd written on my Linux desktop, dropped the files onto my N900's drive, ran the main python file, and it started right up |
| 05:38.41 | robbiethe1st | UI elements looked different, and the small size of the screen was a pain... but it /worked/ |
| 05:38.55 | EdLin | robbiethe1st, that beats Android, where you are stuck with Java and their API. :) |
| 05:39.09 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:40.41 | EdLin | robbiethe1st, what's the software scene like for the n900? Are people still writing new software for it? |
| 05:40.52 | robbiethe1st | I don't know. Some. |
| 05:41.06 | robbiethe1st | Less now than before the N9 came out |
| 05:41.16 | robbiethe1st | But it's still worth the $200 easily |
| 05:41.33 | EdLin | I was a bit afraid of that, because my n810 got kind of abandoned when the n900 came out. |
| 05:42.00 | EdLin | Nokia never seemed to understand how important backwards compatibility is, for any of their platforms. |
| 05:42.34 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:43.28 | robbiethe1st | Well, it's more there have been several teams working on things, I think. The N900 was an /excellent/ prototype; a little more work and they could have had a iphone/ipad killer. But... |
| 05:44.02 | robbiethe1st | N9 is more of a iphone /clone/, though I do admit it's loaded with enough shiny to keep it looking nice |
| 05:45.02 | EdLin | Microsoft didn't want real Linux on the phone to succeed obviously, or they wouldn't have taken over Nokia. (Don't know how else to describe transplanting most of their executives from Microsoft as.) |
| 05:45.26 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:45.49 | robbiethe1st | And it kind of shows - the N9, even with all of it's restrictions, still outsold the MS phone... |
| 05:45.59 | EdLin | yep. |
| 05:46.10 | robbiethe1st | Because it was A, linux based, and not locked down too far on the developer end... |
| 05:46.37 | EdLin | they sold it like in only two places, Switzerland and some other country not in the mainstream, yet it sold better than their WP7 phones. |
| 05:47.08 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:47.21 | robbiethe1st | 'Cause noone really likes WP7 |
| 05:47.24 | EdLin | NokiaSoft didn't want the n9 to succeed. |
| 05:47.33 | robbiethe1st | That's been obvious |
| 05:48.39 | EdLin | well, anyway, I'm kind of used to running doomed phones in one form or another. Between my Palm Pre, and my HD2. ;-) I can run another. ;-) |
| 05:48.58 | robbiethe1st | heh, yeah |
| 05:49.23 | robbiethe1st | I will point out, however, that the N900 is not the greatest phone, especially if you're not careful |
| 05:49.23 | EdLin | webOS under the hood was a lot more like Linux than Android, but that doesn't say much. |
| 05:49.49 | robbiethe1st | Because you can run as many apps as you want, you can bog the thing down so far it won't respond to incoming calls |
| 05:49.59 | EdLin | OK. |
| 05:50.05 | EdLin | as long as it lets me close them. |
| 05:50.22 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, that's no problem at all. |
| 05:50.48 | EdLin | is it easy to get it bogged down, or does it perform OK? |
| 05:51.03 | robbiethe1st | Really depends on the tweaks you do. |
| 05:51.08 | robbiethe1st | Hm |
| 05:51.29 | robbiethe1st | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWVJ-6l6sWM |
| 05:51.35 | robbiethe1st | What mine's most like |
| 05:53.02 | robbiethe1st | There /is/ a quirk, however: If you leave certain things open -- mainly several large web pages, and leave it for an hour, when you come back it will have swapped most of the data out of memory and be unresponsive for several minutes. So you just have to close most open windows between uses. |
| 05:53.19 | robbiethe1st | ...which is a good idea anyway, as most apps will drain your battery if left running. |
| 05:54.23 | EdLin | OK |
| 05:54.25 | robbiethe1st | Basically, you have a situation here where unlike the iphone, /you/ are in control of your battery life and performance. It doesn't manage pausing and resuming applications for you, or managing memory usage, auto-closing apps... you have to do it yourself |
| 05:54.39 | robbiethe1st | Essentially, it's awesome. :P |
| 05:54.42 | EdLin | :) |
| 05:55.38 | EdLin | you can still play youtube on an n900, can't you? It comes with flash 9, but it can be spoofed succcesfully? |
| 05:57.48 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 05:57.53 | robbiethe1st | I did just the other day |
| 05:57.57 | EdLin | ok |
| 05:58.15 | robbiethe1st | 240p works best |
| 05:59.05 | robbiethe1st | Oh, also: there's a 'flashblock' extension thingie you have to install - it turns all flash files into 'click-to-play' buttons, really boosting web performance |
| 05:59.19 | EdLin | OK. :) |
| 06:06.35 | ShadowJK | recommends getting a genuine sandisk Mobile ultra MicroSDHC, creating a swap partition on it and use swap there |
| 06:07.24 | ShadowJK | lack of ram, and slow backing store is a major issue :P |
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| 12:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | to pick up on OT talk 7h ago: FSCK PLASMA! |
| 12:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | honestly KDE4 always been a PITA |
| 12:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's taletelling that OpenSuse now ships with support for KDE3 again |
| 12:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | lemme put a simple example: 4 or 5 years ago my Konversation IRC client worked great and I had a dedicated sound as well as arbitrary other notifications/actions for basically arbitrary events (each highlighted nick with its own click). Now it's all FUBAR and wenn I say A then i mean beyond ALL repair, and knotify memleaks like mad |
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| 12:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | every now and then friggin KDE/phonon/whatever breaks my audio to thoroughly that only rcalsasound force-reload PLUS opening the friggin KDE phonon config and setting new all the audio devices helps |
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| 12:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | even KDE devels seem to consider Konqueror obsolete :-(( |
| 12:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | and whenever I accidentally happen to look at my KDE desktop alias plasma(?), I wanna kill my PC. Honestly who needs that crap? I *always* got ~30 windows minimum open at maximized size, and switching between them via alt-tab or windows bar (which I moved to top of screen and out of the standard bar at bottom) |
| 12:48.53 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 12:49.04 | ShadowJK | there's "reconq" now |
| 12:50.01 | ShadowJK | Somehow I managed to configure kde into semi-usable. I think the liveusb kubuntu defaulted to "netbook" kde, which is some incomprehensible mess |
| 12:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | NEVER touch buntkuh |
| 12:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | please! don't give me that buntkuh pain, can I has windoze please instead?! |
| 12:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | KDE was the best possible GUI for me, around end of KDE2, beginning of KDE3 |
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| 12:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | and it still would be if they hadn't changed it into an unbearable mess, particularly starting with KDE4 |
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| 12:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | the pity: I'm now bbasically locked in to KDE as all my customizations could never be ported to any other desktop, and even if they could it would take weeks of full time work |
| 12:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I still got KDE1 heritage in my $home(/.kde) that I actively use |
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| 13:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, next is probably a MacMini with 24" screen and a tripleboot system on it (though I wonder when I ever used the dualboot on this PC I'm typing on ;-) >>13:59pm up 102 days 13:33, 13 users, load average: 0.17, 0.25, 0.29<<) |
| 13:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess I will do a real clean start on friggin KDE with that occasion |
| 13:00.51 | ShadowJK | ubuntu seemed to have the best hw support in live version out of debian,fedora and ubuntu, and k version was less offending than unity version :P |
| 13:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 13:01.39 | ShadowJK | has basically switched desktop environment every os upgrade :P |
| 13:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | << meber and president of "no G*!" club |
| 13:02.15 | ShadowJK | afterstep - gnome - kde - xfce |
| 13:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | afterstep sounds... violent and obscene |
| 13:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 13:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | kickass would be a really friendly name in competition |
| 13:03.33 | ShadowJK | it's like GNU Step without the Objective C, I think.. |
| 13:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm a first hour fan of NeXTStep |
| 13:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | from times when it needed a cube or NeXTstation to run it, prior to any x86 versions even been announced |
| 13:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | even had the extremely nice 4 book drawer "NeXTStep developer docs" (some 10kg) which he read like belletristic each weekend back when |
| 13:09.16 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer, Don't get a Mac if you want to run Linux outside of a virtual machine. The proprietary SMC is not supported well by Linux, which means the CPU runs at the wrong voltages, and laptops run the battery down. |
| 13:09.45 | EdLin | and Apple, of course, will never reveal what makes the SMC tick. |
| 13:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, thanks for the comment. My friend thought "his" macs can do linux quite easily, well he's a Apple fanboy with no much clue about linux, and I got no clue about Mac |
| 13:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | so I rethink and probably cancel that plan |
| 13:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | EdLin: really a thousand thanks for warning me just in time :-) |
| 13:12.28 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer, no problem. Really, although it's against freenode rules to talk about it, a hackintosh makes a better triple-boot system if you want to do that kind of thing. Cheaper too. |
| 13:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I'm not interested too much in the mac world |
| 13:13.49 | EdLin | then you definitely don't want Apple kit, even if you manage to put up with the way it performs in a triple-boot system, you can't completely remove OS X without fouling its booting up. |
| 13:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | a proper x86 architecture whatever brand with virtualization to run an occasional "genuine" redmond bullsh*t will suffice. Has to support linux, that's #1 requirement |
| 13:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | will go for the one with blue button then, I guess |
| 13:15.02 | EdLin | yep. Speaking of which, my monitor all of a sudden doesn't support Linux framebuffer or X11. I'm getting a new DVI cable to see if that fixes it, if not, I'm going to have to get a new monitor. |
| 13:15.58 | EdLin | so I've been having to run Linux in a VM in Windows all the time, which is annoying, and something I haven't done since I had a Mac mini. |
| 13:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | what's that freenode policy comment of yours about? any link? |
| 13:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | (I'm supposed to know, as chanop on a dozen chan) |
| 13:16.44 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer, freenode doesn't allow the discussion of things that are "illegal", or at least that's what they say on the ##mac, #macosx, etc channels. |
| 13:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't give too much for what they say there |
| 13:17.47 | EdLin | there is a hackintosh IRC network, irc.osx86.hu. There aren't any such channels on freenode, as far as I know. |
| 13:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | #freenode or http://freenode.net/, or it didn't happen |
| 13:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, creating a channel whose name or topic suggests it's about illegal stuff - that'S something completely different |
| 13:19.39 | ShadowJK | you sure it's the monitor and not the graphics chip? |
| 13:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | but talk in legit channels is free, unless chanop (or users) complains |
| 13:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you wrote what I was to lazy to... :-D |
| 13:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | too* |
| 13:20.07 | EdLin | DocScrutinizer, talk of hackintosh in any of the Mac channels is a ban offense, pretty much. |
| 13:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's chan policy, not #freenode policy |
| 13:20.31 | EdLin | ok. |
| 13:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | you may talk about hackintosh all you want, in channels Iown |
| 13:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 13:20.55 | EdLin | lol |
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| 13:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene I don't own this chan |
| 13:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'm surprised I got no -o since long time here |
| 13:22.22 | EdLin | I own ##mac-social, but since I am also on the #macosx-ops channel due to that, and still peek in the mac channels, I don't want to rock the boat by discussing hackintosh there. |
| 13:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | while X-Fade put me on his ignore list |
| 13:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 13:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | EdLin: sane policy |
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| 13:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders how many *active* chanops this chan got anyway, and fires a /cs access list |
| 13:25.16 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing it's like most freenode channels: 0 |
| 13:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, X-Fade, jaffa, GAN, and me - in sequence of increasing activity |
| 13:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | oops andre__ |
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| 13:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen GeneralAntilles |
| 13:26.55 | infobot | generalantilles is currently on #maemo (9h 26m 12s) #harmattan (9h 26m 12s) #meego (9h 26m 12s), last said: 'But whatever.'. |
| 13:28.42 | DocScrutinizer | smells like zombie state around next corner, while #meego already reached that |
| 13:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | well, not really yet. there's been quite some dozen lines convo on 13., 15, 16. |
| 13:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | while we recently see days with equally low traffic here |
| 13:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | still not feeling like merging #harmattan into this chan |
| 13:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | it would finally suffocate the low traffic volume actually addressed at fremantle and kill fremantle talks for good |
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| 13:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | fremantle and harmattan too similar to tell apart which of both a post is related to on first glance, but still they are way too different in a lot of aspects for unifying discussions |
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| 14:31.15 | Tofe | On the N900, we have currently Qt 4.7.4, isn't it ? |
| 14:31.34 | Tofe | so it's QtQuick 1.1 that is supported, isn't it ? |
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| 14:42.15 | MohammadAG | Tofe, through the CSSU yes |
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| 14:43.16 | Tofe | great |
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| 15:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | who was claiming that plain firefox is faster than fennec on N900? |
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| 15:48.14 | Tofe | Ok, my first try with QML end here, I think |
| 15:48.42 | Tofe | I've got a simple app I'm quite happy with |
| 15:49.09 | Tofe | Mainly dedicated to reading LeMonde.fr -> would it interest someone ? |
| 15:50.40 | Tofe | Well, I can always publish it on extra-devel, as QtCreator seems to know how to do it |
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| 15:53.43 | Tofe | Did someone try to use QtCreator to upload to extra-devel ? Does it work well ? |
| 15:54.02 | Tofe | I wouldn't want to mess the thing :) |
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| 15:59.33 | Tofe | Mmmh I'm quite new to all this "garage" thing. Is it a problem is the application isn't really useful/finished yet ? |
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| 16:32.32 | merlin1991 | Tofe: it's not a real problem, but it does not make sense to fill the repo (from which the index is dl on all devices) with non-functional applications |
| 16:32.47 | merlin1991 | also I don't know a thing about qtcreator extras upload stuff |
| 16:34.34 | Tofe | well, it does work |
| 16:35.02 | Tofe | but the functionalities are not really over-exciting right now... |
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| 16:42.14 | kerio | i have an app to read lemonde.fr too! |
| 16:42.24 | kerio | it's called **a browser** |
| 16:42.52 | Tofe | :) |
| 16:44.47 | Tofe | I never said it was a breakthrough, on the contrary; but if I can make so that it can aggegate other sources in a nice, it might become useful |
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| 16:45.24 | Tofe | anyway it was just a way for me to discover qml; if the app isn't useful to anyone, that's not a problem :) |
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| 16:50.50 | kerio | ooh, i like the idea of a good RSS reader |
| 16:51.02 | kerio | especially if you find a way to get google reader integration working properly |
| 16:51.19 | kerio | there's another RSS reader that supposedly works with google reader, but it never worked properly for me |
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| 16:55.19 | Tofe | I can always try |
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| 16:59.14 | Tofe | is google reader supposed to show only some minimal information ? Or is there an "expanded" content ? |
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| 17:02.08 | tzorvas___ | HELP HELP HELP!!! i cannot download the latest firmware from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 17:02.19 | tzorvas___ | please help! any other link? |
| 17:02.59 | r00t-eeepc | "cannot download"? |
| 17:03.14 | tzorvas___ | r00t-eeepc: yes, links are dead |
| 17:03.36 | tzorvas___ | ahm 1 minute to try from another browser |
| 17:04.08 | Tofe | oh, but using google reader supposes some sort of authentification |
| 17:04.55 | Tofe | would be nice, though. |
| 17:05.20 | tzorvas___ | r00t-eeepc: FAIL.. :$ fail with google chrome ... with another browser its ok\ |
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| 17:05.28 | r00t-eeepc | . . . |
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| 18:13.25 | shanttu | hi. fm transmitter not working on n900 after reflash (and restore using bacupmenu). i get the error Unable to use fm transmitter. |
| 18:13.26 | shanttu | Previously i got it working using method described here |
| 18:13.26 | shanttu | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Top-12-Maemo-N900-Issues-amp-Fixes/m-p/755784/highlight/true#M18287 |
| 18:14.35 | shanttu | could n900-fmrx-enabler packages cause problems? When I try to remove n900-fmtx-enabler apt-get would like remove 40 other packages. |
| 18:14.48 | shanttu | HOw to troubleshoot further? |
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| 18:30.00 | guylhem_ | hello |
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| 18:46.55 | merlin1991 | shanttu: the fmtx-enabler should stay |
| 18:46.59 | merlin1991 | (part of qt I think) |
| 18:47.17 | merlin1991 | you can try installing fmtx-faker from extras-devel and rebooting |
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| 18:49.46 | guylhem_ | I have a weird problem - when playing music, but only with fm transmission I sometimes get a 10 seconds pause in the middle of the song |
| 18:53.04 | ShadowJK | never experienced that myself |
| 18:53.25 | ShadowJK | I'd check output of 'dmesg' for strange things |
| 18:57.00 | guylhem_ | couldnt notice anything yet |
| 18:57.19 | guylhem_ | I've read about power requirements of fm tx which could produce bugs |
| 18:57.36 | guylhem_ | only idea I have. trying a new widget (fm rds) |
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| 19:09.30 | shanttu | merlin1991, thanks. already reinstalled fmtx-faker and still nothing |
| 19:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | guylhem_: extremely strange |
| 19:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | guylhem_: pause or mute? |
| 19:14.08 | guylhem_ | mute |
| 19:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 19:14.49 | guylhem_ | it last for approx 10s then happen irregularly approx 1x / 2 or 3 minutes at times, sometimes not at all |
| 19:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC FM TX is via analog audio, so I can't see how any mute would be related to FM TX |
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| 19:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen similar ultrashort dropouts (<0.5s) every now and then when using BT headset |
| 19:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | always thought they were related to some other process hogging CPU |
| 19:16.39 | guylhem_ | I rarely use bt. It never happens with the speaker or the headphones. like you I believe it could be related to CPU usage. |
| 19:17.10 | guylhem_ | what is the best way to increase cpufreq during fm transmit ? (thought it might solve the issue) |
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| 19:25.16 | ShadowJK | I'd think it's totally unrelated to cpu use |
| 19:25.43 | ShadowJK | because it basically needs no cpu at all to function |
| 19:26.10 | ShadowJK | speaking of analog paths, fmtx actually goes mute if you reduce volume to 0 |
| 19:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | FM TX yes, that's why I said the above. USB PCM to BT, not. MP3 decode, not. |
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| 19:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | guylhem_: I strongly doubt any up/over-clocking of CPU will improve or fix the issue. |
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| 19:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | if it's related to other processes somehow blocking regular CPU operation for audio playback, then most likely it's closely linked to IO during swap |
| 19:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | or logging huge amounts, or otherwise strong activity on storage |
| 19:34.22 | guylhem_ | interestng |
| 19:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | my 2 cents, aka semi-educated guess |
| 19:34.51 | kerio | overclocking reduces the problem! :D |
| 19:34.54 | guylhem_ | i'll check which apps could be logging. some lsof could help |
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| 19:35.31 | guylhem_ | kerio : did you experience the same issue ? |
| 19:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd first of all switch to tablet mode or airplane mode and see if wireless incl all the daemonized tasks linked to it may cause the dropouts |
| 19:35.49 | kerio | guylhem_: eh, not really |
| 19:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | kerio is practicing on trolling, and really performing poor on that |
| 19:36.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: nah, i just figured that i might as well trash the cpu, my n900 is slowly dying anyway |
| 19:37.13 | guylhem_ | trolling require time and effort. keep up the good work and the trolling force will be with you |
| 19:39.12 | guylhem_ | DocScrutinizer: I dont have battery logger or others which could explain this. I installed conky so that enxt time it happens I can quickly check the processes |
| 19:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | you'll be too slow. I suspect something in the modem stack acting up when unsolicited inbound msgs arrive, like change/handover of cell, smscb, whatnot |
| 19:41.27 | guylhem_ | yes for that theres nothing I can do |
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| 20:20.55 | tzorvas___ | when i am using flasher with -f -R, it should reboot the device after flashing, is that right>? |
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| 20:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | guylhem_: see my advice above |
| 20:22.57 | guylhem_ | dmesg |
| 20:23.03 | guylhem_ | ? |
| 20:23.08 | tzorvas___ | also had anyone experienced any problem with the touchscreen on N900? |
| 20:23.19 | guylhem_ | oops |
| 20:23.22 | guylhem_ | airplane - ok |
| 20:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'd first of all switch to tablet mode or airplane mode and see if wireless incl all the daemonized tasks linked to it may cause the dropouts |
| 20:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | tzorvas___: yes |
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| 20:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | and as that's a mere convenience thing (you can reboot 'the classic way' anytime) and since rebooting is absolutely forbidden for some sequences of flashing eMMC, you should simply never use -R |
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| 20:25.45 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: i am unable to tap. only some random times after fully charge of battery i am able to enter my password and after a while i am unable to use touchscreen but only keyboard |
| 20:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | hm |
| 20:26.18 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: i didnt add -R to emmc but the next one |
| 20:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | so how's that related to -R ? |
| 20:26.42 | tzorvas___ | i tried to reflash my device |
| 20:26.47 | tzorvas___ | but nothing is working |
| 20:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, this sounds like a hw defect |
| 20:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | and most likely unrelated to battery charge state |
| 20:27.45 | tzorvas___ | i tried to do flash rootfs -> emmc -> rootfs and still nothing |
| 20:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 20:27.57 | tzorvas___ | dont know its weird the whole thing :( |
| 20:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | probably your touchpanel is defect |
| 20:28.51 | tzorvas___ | it shuddenly died |
| 20:28.54 | tzorvas___ | :( |
| 20:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | can you ssh in? |
| 20:29.47 | tzorvas___ | also i experienced with some bugs when trying to turn on my phone. orange led is showing twice before device starts and some weirds bugs |
| 20:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | as fist and foremost priority now is to set up device so you can operate it for diagnostic purposes without using touchscreen |
| 20:30.50 | tzorvas___ | i'll go for that |
| 20:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | umm, orange led showing on device power on isn't exactly a bug? |
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| 20:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | esp when hooked up to USB |
| 20:33.16 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: i am trying to boot up without usb and orange led flashes twice before boot |
| 20:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not exactly worrying |
| 20:37.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | 21 days uptime. maybe I could dare a boot :-) |
| 20:38.35 | guylhem_ | facebrick devel is stopped. any way to store an api auth somewhere and bypass the normal process, so that it just works? (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49216). thought about creating a new app to get a new api key. |
| 20:38.49 | guylhem_ | or is there a widget I don't know about? |
| 20:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | tzorvas___: I have to admit my device doesn't show any amber blinking when booting from proper off, without any USB attached |
| 20:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | white fade-in, then white NOKIA screen, then white LED switch-off, then blackscreen with evetually the moving dots |
| 20:42.50 | NIN101 | mine does from time to time |
| 20:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | this doesn't change even when tap-hlding the touchpanel |
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| 20:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, I don't see how the amber blinking could be linked to touchpanel defect/misfunction |
| 20:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | until black screen with moving dots, only NOLO is involved in booting, and USB charging resp indicator LED is unrelated to touchpanel. |
| 20:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | tzorvas___: you could try coldflashing to make sure you got a clean NOLO |
| 20:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | but it's rather unlikely it's caused by NOLO |
| 20:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect a hw defect |
| 20:48.07 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: for cold flashing i should run "flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:<hw_id> -F <FIASCO image> -f" ? as being told @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
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| 20:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 22:17.01 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: how to find hw revision>? :$ |
| 22:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | flasher will show you |
| 22:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 22:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | or you can find it in err proc/cpu? |
| 22:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | probably --read-device-id, -i Print out the device type |
| 22:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | tzorvas___: the hw-rev is in CAL aka NAND partition 2 |
| 22:25.05 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: hw rev 2101 :) |
| 22:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | coldflashing needs this only as there might be no CAL at all when device is really "cold" alias empty |
| 22:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 22:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | usual |
| 22:25.38 | tzorvas___ | hm |
| 22:25.41 | tzorvas___ | Using serial port /dev/ttyS0 tcgetattr: Input/output error |
| 22:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | errr wut? |
| 22:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | -S usb |
| 22:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | also make damn sure your battery is fully charged ;-) |
| 22:28.50 | tzorvas___ | fully fully?? :P |
| 22:29.20 | tzorvas___ | this is the error log http://sprunge.us/MZjh |
| 22:29.37 | tzorvas___ | from flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -F /media/A9D4-E539/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 22:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | you've seen my last 4 lines here? |
| 22:31.16 | tzorvas___ | do i need -S ? :$ |
| 22:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, it seems to target your problem, no? |
| 22:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | flasher-3.5 --help might do exactly that: help |
| 22:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 22:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes even -U is useful |
| 22:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, and of course you need to start flasher first, THEN plug in USB to device in off-state |
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| 22:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise I guess ROM bootloader will not get detected by flasher |
| 22:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | and other than NOLO "normal flashing" there's no "hold U key" to enable coldflashing mode |
| 22:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | ROM BL will ping USB just one time, and if there's no immediate echo, it will go on and load NOLO |
| 22:36.35 | tzorvas___ | ah so maybe this is the problem |
| 22:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | which doesn't help for *flashing* NOLO |
| 22:36.44 | tzorvas___ | because i tried flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 --usb-device=002:046 -F /media/A9D4-E539/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f and i had the same problem |
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| 22:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | I gather you should also use -S usb |
| 22:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if flasher is smart enough to assume implicit -S usb when -U is given |
| 22:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'd even try without -U/--usb-device for now |
| 22:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | 46 looks odd |
| 22:39.29 | tzorvas___ | paste.kde.org/425576/ is the output i dont understand if it did anything there |
| 22:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | sigh |
| 22:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | please paste again with http: |
| 22:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | post again |
| 22:40.11 | tzorvas___ | http://paste.kde.org/425576/ |
| 22:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | tnx |
| 22:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't look that bad, no idea if it worked, I never did a coldflash yet |
| 22:42.00 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: crap i did it :P |
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| 22:42.17 | tzorvas___ | i removed the battery while in usb connection (with -S usb) and it did the trick |
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| 22:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you got problems with your PC as usual: modprobe -r cdc_ether cdc_phonet |
| 22:42.27 | tzorvas___ | waiting for the boot.. |
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| 22:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm quite sure nuttin changed, sorry for my pessimism |
| 22:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | redo proper flashing of rootfs |
| 22:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | and check for diagnostic output is what it should look like |
| 22:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | (we've seen more than only a few dozen times when users *thought* they flashed but actually the flashing aborted prematurely, with e.g "no USB device found" |
| 22:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | btw your error msg "Specified USB device not found." is *for sure* related to your --usb-device=002:046 while diagnostic output clearly says "USB device found found at bus 002, device address 048." |
| 22:47.01 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: http://http://paste.kde.org/425582/ :) |
| 22:48.12 | tzorvas___ | crap.. still this issue with touchscreen |
| 22:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:48.46 | tzorvas___ | i will go with dissasembling the whole n900 and cleaning everything .. hope so that something will change :s |
| 22:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not, you'll most likely need a new touchpanel |
| 22:49.49 | tzorvas___ | HOLY CRAP |
| 22:49.58 | tzorvas___ | my laptop mobo died 2 months ago |
| 22:50.00 | tzorvas___ | and now this.. |
| 22:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | but anyway you could either ty a drawing app and see where tp-driver thinks the current touchpoint is |
| 22:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | or use proper diagnostic tools like xev(?) |
| 22:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | or simply enable the mouse cursor |
| 22:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | you can even do this in browser, if only your gesture for switching to cursor mode would work |
| 22:52.40 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: if i am able to open my device |
| 22:52.41 | tzorvas___ | :$ |
| 22:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 22:53.17 | tzorvas___ | i have a phone lock password and i cannot enter it .. :/ |
| 22:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooohg, too bad |
| 22:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | toldya you should try by all means to disable such thing that needs touch input to start up and operate device |
| 22:54.48 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: after flashing emmc shouldnt restore everything to the first state? (no phone lock passwords etc) |
| 22:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | nope, lockcode is different |
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| 22:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | actually nasty |
| 22:55.18 | tzorvas___ | shit -.- |
| 22:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | you might be able to disable lockcode by flashing both eMMC and rootfs |
| 22:56.24 | tzorvas___ | with flashing first emmc and after rootfs? |
| 22:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | but then, you got a default config that's pretty useless without touch input and damn hard to tweak into a state where you at least can use wlan again |
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| 22:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | do me a favour - if you try flashing eMMC - and try command >> flasher -F VANILLA.bin -F COMBINED.bin -f |
| 22:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder since almost years if flasher could flash both rootfs and eMMC in one step |
| 22:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe |
| 23:00.08 | tzorvas___ | isnt that too risky? :$ |
| 23:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | >> flasher -F COMBINED.bin -F VANILLA.bin -f |
| 23:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | no risk at all |
| 23:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | but better use 2nd form |
| 23:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | if it fails, do it the classic way as recommended at flashing wikipage |
| 23:01.24 | tzorvas___ | i am waiting for a fully charge again |
| 23:01.24 | tzorvas___ | :/ |
| 23:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | if you want to do me an even bigger favour, you pastebin the output |
| 23:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | lshal|grep voltage |
| 23:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | battery.voltage.current = 4122 (0x101a) (int) |
| 23:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | >4050 is just good enough |
| 23:02.51 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: but i cannot open my n900 :( |
| 23:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 23:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 23:03.05 | tzorvas___ | it sucks :$ |
| 23:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | more than you know |
| 23:03.43 | tzorvas___ | in case of HW damage, is that what i need? http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Frame-Nokia-N900-/280719181900?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415c2ac84c |
| 23:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | at least I'd think so |
| 23:05.27 | tzorvas___ | ok if thats all i will go also for a lens cover |
| 23:05.44 | tzorvas___ | because mine is pretty f*cked up :$ (full of scratches) |
| 23:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | aaah the photo down the page is better, yes that'S it |
| 23:07.42 | *** join/#maemo user__ (~user@port-92-206-58-74.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 23:07.49 | user__ | Hello! How can I disable an IMAP e-mail account on the N900 without deleting that e-mail account? |
| 23:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | err, not at all? |
| 23:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | you can stop modest process |
| 23:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | but that's probably not what you planned to do? |
| 23:09.20 | user__ | DocScrutinizer: well, I'd like to receive e-mail notifications (e.g. vibrations) over the day, but at night, I'd prefer to sleep (and just want to be woken by SMS or phone calls) |
| 23:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | nasty problem |
| 23:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | you might stop modest |
| 23:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | sth like that |
| 23:10.09 | user__ | that's kind'a bad |
| 23:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, not kill -sigstop but actually terminate the process |
| 23:10.46 | user__ | especially because modest is just the "interface" to the IMAP server (e.g. if I have a desktop computer at hand, I can use this one instead) |
| 23:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you ost me |
| 23:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | lost* |
| 23:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | in /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop comment out the lines >>X-Maemo-Prestarted=always >>X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000 |
| 23:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | this keeps modest from starting automatically on bootup |
| 23:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | you need to click the icon to start it |
| 23:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | you also could quit it, though I have nfc how to do that in a gentle way, other than >>kill modest |
| 23:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | closing the window will just daemonize modest but the process runs in background |
| 23:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | which is what wakes you at night |
| 23:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | as long as the two lines as of above are in modest.desktop, hildon will restart the process as soon as you kill modest |
| 23:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | supposedly there's also Maemo-Prestarted=true, but that doesn't work, they stopped implementation halfway |
| 23:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | actually X-Maemo-Pre.... |
| 23:23.28 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: if i finally make it out to power on my n900 is there any way to calibrate my screen from keyboard only? :$ |
| 23:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | LOL @ Nokia for closely reading the freedesktop.org specs of .desktop format: "Version=3.1" in modest.desktop |
| 23:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | tzorvas___: not afaik |
| 23:24.54 | user__ | DocScrutinizer: well, for now, I have just changed the password stored such that modest cannot successfully login into the IMAP server |
| 23:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | tzorvas___: well, you can start the calibration tool via xterm. But how wuld you start xterm first instance? maybe shift-ctrl-x on kbd |
| 23:25.21 | tzorvas___ | yes thats the combination |
| 23:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | user__: so what's the use of that? |
| 23:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | now you can do ... what? |
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| 23:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | run modest and read old mails while it doesn't check for new ones so you don'T get distrubed while sleepoing while reading old mails? |
| 23:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | kill modest |
| 23:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | done |
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| 23:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | only if you comment out the auto-(re)start lines from .desktop |
| 23:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | click icon of modest -> process starts, good you are for whole day as modest checks mail in background until you kill it again |
| 23:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene all this is not tested theoretic work, that only is confirmed for the way those two lines work. I never looked into modest indeep |
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| 23:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | but for all I can tell, all you need to do is comment out the two lines in modest.desktop, and maybe get a stop-modest icon (or queeen-beecon button) that does "killall modest" |
| 23:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | though for fist POC you can issue the >>killall modest<< from xterm |
| 23:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | first* |
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| 23:34.31 | user__ | DocScrutinizer: the use is: I do not get notifications all the time, and I can enable|disable the notifications by using the UI (no need to hack some configuration files) |
| 23:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | ohyeah |
| 23:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you like |
| 23:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me for solutions if you got the optimal one already :-/ |
| 23:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if user__ thinks entering wrong password is not "hacking config file" in the end |
| 23:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 23:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | truns away, pissed |
| 23:41.42 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 23:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: user__ asked for a way to stop modest from nagging at night with new mail notifications. But editing modest.desktop to keep hildon from restarting modest process immediately after you do a "killall modest" been "too much hacking config files" for him |
| 23:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | user__: he prefers to "use UI to set incorrect password" |
| 23:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ^^ |
| 23:46.56 | merlin1991 | I really need to reach Sc0rpius |
| 23:47.10 | merlin1991 | there's a lot of stuff with modest he could look at but seems to be mia |
| 23:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | I.E "please how can I change X, without changing anything?" |
| 23:49.16 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: yes maybe i am crazy |
| 23:49.25 | tzorvas___ | but after a fully charge i am able to use touchscreen |
| 23:49.25 | tzorvas___ | -.- |
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| 23:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | that can not be related |
| 23:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | unless God changed physics |
| 23:50.09 | tzorvas___ | but only after a full recharge i am able to use this touchscreen |
| 23:50.09 | tzorvas___ | :o |
| 23:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | touchscreen is two plastic films separated by oil. it may recover from sticking together, when you warm it up or let it rest for a while |
| 23:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | both effects only loosely coupled to charge state of battery ;-) |
| 23:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | of course you might suffer form a *really* _weird_ hw defect in your N900 mainboard, that somehow links battery voltage to touchpanel or tp-controller. I'd really love to investigate such hw-defect in depth |
| 23:53.39 | tzorvas___ | 0h god |
| 23:54.14 | tzorvas___ | all my mobos are gonna crazy |
| 23:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably the recover time + warmth that your charging gave to tp made it recover a bit |
| 23:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I was kidding, there's no such hw-defect that would link battery voltage to tp |
| 23:55.17 | tzorvas___ | DocScrutinizer: hm... |
| 23:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | I bet your digitizer is worn |
| 23:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | the oil tends to become sticky with time |
| 23:55.48 | tzorvas___ | humidity would be a reason? |
| 23:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | yes, definitely |
| 23:56.47 | tzorvas___ | oh holy crap! |
| 23:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | if humidity diffuses thru the plastic film of digitizer, it can form droplets inside the oil film and short the two electric planes, even when the films don't touch |
| 23:57.24 | tzorvas___ | so my digitizer should have gonna crazy |
| 23:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I expect to see when you start some drawing app |
| 23:57.52 | tzorvas___ | my n900 is in 3rd year of use.. i am in a island with avg 75% humidity |
| 23:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | or mouse cursor |
| 23:58.24 | tzorvas___ | do you know whats the drawing apps name in n900? so i can call it from inside an xterm? |
| 23:58.31 | tzorvas___ | (i also have to disable phone password) |
| 23:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | 75% air humidity shouldn't do any harm. Condensing humidity though may cause problems |
| 23:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | err, there's no stock app afaik |
| 23:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | you probably need to install something |
| 23:59.25 | nid0 | there is a drawing app on the n900 as standard |
| 23:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | there is? |
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| 23:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | look, I'm starting to get stupid about "too much used to it" |
