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| 11:25.28 | vi_ | hello |
| 11:25.36 | pepper | hello |
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| 11:26.27 | vi_ | I AM NEW HOW TO PLAY CHANFIRE3D ON N N950? |
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| 11:26.47 | User__ | hi |
| 11:26.52 | pepper | No idea to be honest. |
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| 11:27.18 | Gear_ | playstation and the like |
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| 13:19.58 | ruskie | http://blog.ngas.ch/archives/2011/12/13/the_destructive_desktop__mdash_linux_in_trouble/index.html |
| 13:20.25 | pepper | hmm |
| 13:20.50 | pepper | well, to be honest windows 8 desktop(metro) also appears to be on a mission to destroy/annoy its userbase. |
| 13:21.14 | pepper | UI designer appear to have forgotten that user part of their job. |
| 13:21.26 | merlin1991 | see gnome 3 |
| 13:21.28 | merlin1991 | or unity .D |
| 13:21.32 | merlin1991 | and now win8 |
| 13:21.52 | pepper | spot on. |
| 13:22.14 | pepper | and the thing is, windows 7, gnome 2 etc are all working just fine. |
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| 13:29.37 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:29.44 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1d 4h 40m 31s, last said: '*go there'. |
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| 13:38.23 | Macer | and i'm not too big of a fan of british programming |
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| 17:43.22 | kerio | what do you guys think of the galaxy note? |
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| 17:48.01 | Primes | hi i would like to install git on my n900 can anyone help? |
| 17:48.01 | pepper | no idea, havent had it in my hands. |
| 17:48.13 | pepper | git, as in github? |
| 17:48.24 | kerio | pepper: git as in git, probably |
| 17:48.26 | kerio | you know |
| 17:48.27 | kerio | git |
| 17:48.29 | Primes | yes the versions |
| 17:48.39 | x29a | Nokia-N900:~# which git |
| 17:48.39 | x29a | /usr/bin/git |
| 17:48.44 | x29a | Primes: go for it |
| 17:48.51 | Primes | ok |
| 17:49.07 | kerio | it should be in the extras or extras-devel repos |
| 17:49.08 | x29a | http://maemo.org/packages/view/git-core/ |
| 17:49.45 | kerio | pepper: i was actually considering buying one |
| 17:49.58 | kerio | pepper: i mean, i never talk on the phone anyway, and when i do i mostly use a bluetooth headset, so it's still not a problem |
| 17:50.17 | kerio | so having a "small tablet" is actually kinda beneficial |
| 17:50.26 | pepper | aah yep indeed. |
| 17:51.00 | pepper | So, you find the n900 to be insufficient as a tablet? |
| 17:51.32 | kerio | no, if anything it's more than the galaxy note can ever hope to be |
| 17:51.41 | kerio | but the specs are quite low, and my n900 in particular is kinda dying |
| 17:51.53 | Primes | yes git git core etc. i have root prompt how to install the git. aptget doesnt |
| 17:52.03 | pepper | aaah I see. well I cant really help you with that. |
| 17:52.03 | kerio | no usb port since quite a while, the vibro motor keeps going dead and coming back seemingly at random |
| 17:52.21 | kerio | i suppose i'm just waiting for a new open smartphone with a physical keyboard |
| 17:52.26 | kerio | but it's never going to come |
| 17:52.37 | pepper | el reg hardware appears to like it: http://www.reghardware.com/2011/12/05/review_samsung_galaxy_note_android_tablet_and_phone/ |
| 17:52.52 | Primes | kerio sound like u need n950 |
| 17:52.55 | pepper | hear hear kerio, thats why I got a N900 last week. I dont fancy touchscreen too much. |
| 17:53.10 | kerio | Primes: except that they don't sell those |
| 17:53.18 | kerio | and harmattan is kinda icky |
| 17:53.20 | pepper | 2nd hand maybe? |
| 17:53.23 | Primes | yes dev only |
| 17:53.23 | NIN102 | ~aegis |
| 17:53.24 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 17:53.31 | kerio | also aegis |
| 17:53.43 | kerio | pepper: nobody would sell it anyway |
| 17:53.43 | Primes | until they fire elop |
| 17:53.45 | kerio | it's fairly unique |
| 17:53.51 | kerio | Primes: nokia is just dead |
| 17:54.15 | Primes | want n950 except for no nfc |
| 17:54.50 | Primes | devs wont write many nfc apps without it on their phone |
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| 17:57.16 | Tofe | Hello ! |
| 17:57.24 | pepper | I suppose the note looks quite nice. Maybe you can get a chance to try it ou in a store first? |
| 17:57.26 | pepper | hello |
| 17:58.35 | Tofe | I may be in the wrong place, but still, I wonder if someone here has used QtCreator to package a qml software for the n900 (I'm using Archlinux right now) |
| 17:59.06 | pepper | I think the right channel would be maemo-devel, but this one has more people. |
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| 17:59.21 | pepper | and no, I cannot help you with that, im still fiddling with getting the sdk running. |
| 17:59.31 | Tofe | :) |
| 18:00.33 | Tofe | Well so far I've got the simulator running, so it's not so bad, and packaging for N900 for C++ Qt projects is proposed, so I'm not far from being all ok |
| 18:00.45 | pepper | maybe you know, in scratchbox in my sources.list I added the token given from nokia, but it appears to fail even though I checked it multiple times. |
| 18:01.06 | pepper | aah nice |
| 18:01.12 | pepper | so, what are you building/creating? |
| 18:01.54 | Tofe | For a start, I'm just willing to adapt the "Le Monde.fr" application that exists for Symbian |
| 18:02.16 | Tofe | (I'm a QML beginner, so let's start with something classic) |
| 18:03.02 | pepper | ooh nice project. not that I read france, but im sure many find it usefull. |
| 18:03.32 | Tofe | Well, it could be adapted very easily, it's just a category/news/comments reader, actually |
| 18:04.03 | pepper | aah, a fance news aggregrator/rss reader then. |
| 18:04.30 | Tofe | yes, quite |
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| 18:05.01 | Tofe | I think it's a fair point to begin |
| 18:05.32 | Tofe | not so useful, but still I'll learn some things and some people will be happy, so why not |
| 18:05.50 | pepper | indeed |
| 18:06.12 | pepper | so, how do you develop, do you use the vm under windows or a linux distro with the tools? |
| 18:06.57 | Tofe | Well, I'm still putting it in place, but there's one big point I think I've missed with the sdk: I don't have any scratchbox, because I'm not sure what it is -- I'm 100% Archlinux right now. |
| 18:07.22 | pepper | aah |
| 18:07.41 | Tofe | it is a set of cross-compiled tools ? |
| 18:07.54 | pepper | I think its some sort of a VM in which you can run multiple interface libraries(qt, gtk etc). |
| 18:08.16 | pepper | with a file system setup seperate from your own, so that anything you do in their does not damage your own installation. |
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| 18:08.30 | Tofe | :) looks like a good idea |
| 18:08.32 | pepper | i've been trying to install the nokia binaries in their, but the repo link I have is wrong. |
| 18:08.50 | Tofe | do you use linux ? windows ? |
| 18:09.00 | pepper | its quite nice from what I saw yesterday under a windows vm, but the tools under windows would not compile my code with the gtk stuff. |
| 18:09.22 | pepper | both, windows on my main rig with a vm, and just did a fresh ubuntu 10.10 install on my latop to set it up and see if my results differ. |
| 18:09.42 | pepper | alas, im now stuck in the installation, also the wiki isnt quite accurate so I had to go along and fix some stuff on the way. |
| 18:10.05 | Tofe | 10.10 ? why so old ? |
| 18:10.26 | pepper | its a year and a couple of months old. not 'old'. |
| 18:10.42 | pepper | well, it got referenced a couple of times in the wiki, and the vm image for windows has that version. |
| 18:10.53 | Tofe | well, you're right :) it must be a deformation of the use of archlinux |
| 18:11.02 | pepper | so I figured all the tools should work with it. maybe update some gtk/qt libs etc but other then that I figured it should be a easy ride. |
| 18:11.10 | pepper | haha |
| 18:11.24 | pepper | how is archlinux, havent tried it yet. |
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| 18:12.45 | Tofe | quite nice, it interesting to try the new stuffs, but sometimes, here and there, a little thing breaks because of an update. Nothing really bad happens lately (I mean since 3 years I've installed it), but you have to accept it. |
| 18:13.46 | pepper | aah fair enough |
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| 18:14.09 | pepper | ubuntu brakes too, make no illusions, I was on a upgrade path from 9.04, and 11.04 broke my whole rig. |
| 18:14.26 | pepper | hence the fresh install, I already had it semi working again, but I figured I should take no risk. |
| 18:15.14 | Tofe | :) |
| 18:15.55 | Tofe | for your sources.list, what fails ? I've actually used Ubuntu & Debian for some time too |
| 18:16.43 | pepper | all, well it says my line 5 is corrept, let me copy it. |
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| 18:17.30 | pepper | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries |
| 18:18.03 | pepper | and this in scratchbox, that vm. this is used to install the nokia binaries for the vm from what I understand. |
| 18:18.31 | pepper | somewhere else I read that the first few chars of the key is supposed to be different but I get this from the nokia page. |
| 18:18.41 | Primes | i have extrasdevel but cant see gitcore in fapman |
| 18:19.42 | pepper | primes is correct, I also have extras-devel and testing installed but the application manager doesnt see anything involving git. |
| 18:20.47 | pepper | the package list also throws a error when trying to open git-core |
| 18:20.54 | pepper | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/git-core/ |
| 18:22.28 | Tofe | mmmh your line seems correct... |
| 18:23.05 | pepper | yes, yet the error that gets throw indicates its corrupt. |
| 18:24.18 | pepper | malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 18:24.35 | Tofe | did you try without the nokia token, actually ( deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle nokia-binaries ) because I can see that : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ |
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| 18:25.30 | pepper | il have to check that one |
| 18:28.07 | pepper | hmm, it tries to acces the nokia-binaries but throws a 404 |
| 18:28.25 | Tofe | okay, well, worth a try |
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| 18:34.35 | pepper | Also, the code I have is the same as in this doc at page 11: http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee282/10_handouts/lect.08.n900programming.pdf |
| 18:34.45 | pepper | yet it comes from the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php page |
| 18:34.51 | Tofe | (I'm installing scratchbox for maemo) |
| 18:35.31 | Tofe | (wow, it's big) |
| 18:35.49 | pepper | it is |
| 18:36.31 | Tofe | for information, I'm using this guide: http://bashlnx.blogspot.com/2010/12/installing-maemo-5-sdk-on-arch-linux.html , where the sources.list edition is evoked; but it's exactly what you did |
| 18:36.53 | pepper | hmm |
| 18:37.00 | pepper | might as well read it and see what I can figure out from it |
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| 18:37.09 | pepper | im using that one: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 18:37.15 | pepper | and then installing through the terminal. |
| 18:37.22 | pepper | debian based system offcourse. |
| 18:37.36 | Tofe | yep, should be easier. should. :) |
| 18:40.34 | pepper | could the token page be broken?\ |
| 18:40.44 | pepper | from the arch linux installation page: Go to tablets-dev.nokia.com and get your personal token, then run the maemo script and add the repository to sources.list into your scratchbox: |
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| 18:49.29 | pepper | grabbing arch-linux right now, lets see if I can get it to work on that. |
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| 18:53.36 | Tofe | until now, it's fine; I'm installing the "rootstrap" |
| 18:53.46 | Tofe | (sdk-install) |
| 18:55.07 | Tofe | be aware that installing archlinux isn't as straightforward as for ubuntu or debian... |
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| 19:01.54 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 19:02.04 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 19:03.24 | freemangordon | Hi, did you build pre50 with all the latest enabled/disabled patches, esp wlan mesh, the user here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1165498&postcount=2802 could be used to test if disabling wlan mesh really fixes the issue? |
| 19:04.20 | freemangordon | Pali, ^^^ |
| 19:04.39 | Pali | I did not rebuilded packages yet |
| 19:04.39 | Pali | Now I'm going to compile... |
| 19:04.49 | freemangordon | great |
| 19:04.54 | Pali | I read that TMO post |
| 19:05.11 | freemangordon | I will answer him |
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| 19:20.36 | Tofe | pepper: the apt-get update did work for me... |
| 19:20.53 | Tofe | I copy/pasted your line in my sources.list ! |
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| 19:27.24 | pepperN900 | how very odd... |
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| 19:34.16 | pepper | well, bugger me drunken. No idea why its borked. |
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| 19:34.56 | Tofe | My scratchbox works, this guide is very good |
| 19:35.41 | pepper | thats nice |
| 19:35.43 | Tofe | now I'll have to install Qt, I hope I don't need to install CSSU to do that :) |
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| 20:06.44 | zanberdo | Looking for a link to information on how to utilize additional storage for MyDocs |
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| 20:07.40 | mase76 | can anybody tell me, why usb tethering does not work anymore? i am using debian sid. the connection appears in nm, but is greyed out. |
| 20:08.54 | pepper | did you install any new packages? |
| 20:09.08 | mase76 | only cssu and kp. |
| 20:09.38 | pepper | have you tried removing them and see if that fixes the problem, goes for both the system and the N900. |
| 20:10.34 | mase76 | no did not. i worked some time before. i think, it it modemmanager related. |
| 20:10.43 | Sicelo | mase76: dmesg on pc is your friend |
| 20:11.11 | Sicelo | hmm, u say appears in nm.. try wvdial |
| 20:11.34 | Sicelo | if that's successful, delete the connection from NM and start afresh |
| 20:11.49 | Sicelo | removed nm on his system because of such things |
| 20:13.22 | mase76 | cannot see anything in dmesg. i did not setup any broadband connection in nm. if i activate broadband, the connection appears automatically. but also setting up the connection manually, it does not connect. |
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| 20:16.21 | mase76 | syslog: <info> (ttyACM0): deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2] |
| 20:16.37 | mase76 | <info> (ttyACM0): device state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'none') [20 30 0] |
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| 20:26.32 | mgedmin | mase76, pastebin the entire thing, starting from when you plug in the usb cable? |
| 20:26.33 | mase76 | using cutecom i saw, that the n900 eats the first character. but modemmanager contains a fix to send the initstring twice. |
| 20:27.34 | mgedmin | searches his identi.ca/twitter stream |
| 20:27.45 | mgedmin | oh, hey, http://pad.lv/765516 |
| 20:27.56 | zanberdo | where can I find a list of available repos for the n900? I want to be sure I have current repos for my device |
| 20:29.19 | mgedmin | zanberdo, my policy was always to use as few repos as possible |
| 20:29.35 | mgedmin | so I'd add extras, maybe extras-testing and extras-devel, because bleeding edge is *fun* |
| 20:29.44 | mase76 | http://paste.debian.net/156389/ |
| 20:30.37 | mgedmin | mase76, yeah, not as illuminating as I'd hoped... |
| 20:31.01 | merlin1991 | I don't understand why people add extras + testing + devel |
| 20:31.07 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, I hope you're not going to make HAM process all those 10 odd extra random repositories you are planning to add |
| 20:31.15 | mgedmin | there's a way to have ModemManager log all the AT commands, IIRC, but I don't remember anything... |
| 20:31.26 | mgedmin | I can give it a try on ubuntu oneiric, if you want |
| 20:31.28 | psycho_oreos | some packages appear only in testing I suppose |
| 20:31.32 | merlin1991 | testing is a superset of extras and devel is a superset of testing, so if you're going to enable devel anyway you need ONLY devel |
| 20:31.49 | zanberdo | mgedmin, ok, fair play. I may have too many as it is. My current list is as follows: http://paste.debian.net/156390/ |
| 20:31.50 | mgedmin | merlin1991, I hadn't realized that |
| 20:32.00 | mgedmin | I thought packages were removed from devel when they migrated to testing |
| 20:32.04 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 20:32.14 | merlin1991 | they stay :D |
| 20:32.24 | mgedmin | zanberdo, yeah, I didn't mention the stock nokia ones |
| 20:32.48 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, in fact, I was hoping to clean things up, so as it is I'll take any suggestions you care to make. I've had the phone for a bit, and I'm just not getting back into looking into how I can make it streamlined/better |
| 20:33.40 | mgedmin | buy a n9 ;) |
| 20:34.00 | mgedmin | will be chased out of this channel with pitchforks and torches one day for comments like that |
| 20:34.04 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, I haven't been messing with my N900 to be honest :/ I recall recently reading up an old old email that was sent to me in response to a bug which was related to HAM that I filed at least 4 months ago |
| 20:34.06 | mgedmin | the n900 really really needs more RAM than it has |
| 20:34.21 | psycho_oreos | n9 is rubbish at times honestly |
| 20:34.40 | zanberdo | I wasn't even aware of the N9 |
| 20:35.02 | psycho_oreos | the keyboard-less maemo device |
| 20:35.52 | psycho_oreos | if you also heard about the N950, I bet you'd be wanting N950 more than the rubbish n9 |
| 20:35.55 | xmlich02 | i am trying to port my qt application to maemo from harmattan. What is suggested approach? Should i use qt-components or qt-components-10 package? I found one single case, where the "import com.nokia.meego 1.0" was working. |
| 20:36.38 | mgedmin | some people value beauty too |
| 20:36.44 | mgedmin | and the n9 is more beautiful than the n950 |
| 20:36.57 | psycho_oreos | oh yeah.. the beauty like that its similar to iphone when it isn't an iphone |
| 20:37.04 | psycho_oreos | makes one look more like a wannabe lol |
| 20:37.55 | zanberdo | so here is the deal: I use my phone largely for making calls (duh), text (more than I care to, but it is what it is), and listening to either music or more often podcasts. I use gpodder as my podcast aggregator, but I recently ran out of space. I discovered, much to my surprise, the my podcasts are being stored on the local storage which does not apparently include the additional 16GB available on the addon card. I plan to refo |
| 20:37.56 | zanberdo | rmat the card using ext3, and doing a few other things, but before I start spending a lot of time on that, I'd like to just optimize things. |
| 20:38.12 | psycho_oreos | the UI is dressed up to follow suit with either android or iOS.. otherwise the base remains to be an extended idea of swiping things around |
| 20:38.54 | mase76 | the log says, that the port is opened, closes and then opened again. simulated that with cutecom. after opening, the first character was eaten. after that, all characters are sent. closing and opening again eats the first again. |
| 20:39.11 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, local storage as in the rootfs area? aka the puny 256MB or so space? |
| 20:39.28 | zanberdo | is looking at the n950 - I think I like that kb better than the 900 |
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| 20:40.14 | psycho_oreos | too bad N950 is not for the general public despite its unique-ness |
| 20:40.16 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, probably using the wrong terminology when I say local storage, I mean MyDocs which is not taking advantage of the additional 16GB available. |
| 20:40.56 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, sounds almost like as if you want to span those two storage areas as one |
| 20:40.56 | mgedmin | zanberdo, yep, the sd card is mounted elsewhere |
| 20:41.10 | mgedmin | you could use bind mounts, I suppose, since you can't have symlinks on VFAT... |
| 20:41.18 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.39 | mgedmin | or can gPodder be configured to use a different directory for its podcasts? |
| 20:41.42 | psycho_oreos | or you could format your mydocs to ext3 (risky) |
| 20:42.24 | zanberdo | that's the issues I've been running into: the fact that /dev/mmcblk0p1 is formatted vfat. I'm planning to repartition with ext3 as the fs for /dev/mmcblk0p1 so I can simply symlink |
| 20:43.18 | zanberdo | I've looked through the gpodder interface to see if I can specify storage options. No go. Of course, now it's just occurred to me to check the non-gui config, so perhaps it can. let me see if I can just do that. |
| 20:43.57 | psycho_oreos | there will be some minor complications for converting it to ext3, however if you can't stand vfat and you never let windows boxen touch N900 then I can't see why not convert it ;) |
| 20:44.00 | zanberdo | but that still leaves me with some other questions, specifically regarding the repos I've got. You've bother suggested I reduce the repos to just what I need |
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| 20:44.54 | psycho_oreos | nah that issue with the amount of repos is an issue with HAM itself.. it crashes randomly.. though if you use FAM, such issues won't occur regardless of the amount of repositories you add |
| 20:44.55 | zanberdo | I have no love for vfat nor windows and do not plan to use the device with a windows machine. that said, who knows? I hadn't considered using a bind mount for the external sd card. |
| 20:45.43 | zanberdo | FAM is Faster Application Manger then? |
| 20:45.46 | psycho_oreos | one thing annoying about binding mounts is for a way to make it stick at subsequent reboots |
| 20:45.48 | psycho_oreos | yes |
| 20:46.25 | mgedmin | zanberdo, be aware that /etc/fstab is re-generated dynamically on every boot and hardcodes 'vfat' as the fs type for /home/user/MyDocs |
| 20:46.29 | zanberdo | is there a link you can share re: using FAM? |
| 20:46.53 | zanberdo | mgedmin, gah! really? hmmm... ok, perhaps I'll leave the fs alone then. |
| 20:47.02 | mgedmin | zanberdo, iirc |
| 20:47.13 | mgedmin | I haven't played with this; it's what I remember from lurking on this channel |
| 20:47.24 | mgedmin | do a search to be sure, if you decide to go with your ext3 plan |
| 20:47.31 | zanberdo | which leaves me to use bind mounts to my sd (if I can't manage to config gpodder to use it by default) |
| 20:47.31 | psycho_oreos | I don't understand hardcoding, there's a nice bit of howto which I followed and I never had issues with it saying its vfat |
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| 20:47.36 | mgedmin | personally I was too afraid to brick my lovely n900 to attempt anything risky |
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| 20:49.06 | psycho_oreos | I've bricked my N900, but had it not been backupmenu by robbiethe1st, I would have been swearing and cursing for every reflash I had to do |
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| 20:49.20 | psycho_oreos | err should I add, bricked my N900 several times |
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| 20:50.43 | zanberdo | I've recently (as of a few minutes ago) run a backup and copies the resulting directory and files to my desktop. I guess the first thing I'd like to do is check out FAM. |
| 20:50.46 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, I can't find a howto guide for FAM if that's what you wanted |
| 20:51.25 | psycho_oreos | there's a huge difference between using osso-backup (or otherwise is simply known as Backup) and using backupmenu by robbiethe1st |
| 20:51.46 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, no worries, I'm sure I can work it out. honestly, I'd rather just use what I'm comfortable with, which is apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:52.18 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, I use those too when dealing with multiple packages |
| 20:52.19 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, thanks. I'll install backupmenu now. |
| 20:52.44 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, take note of the warnings and what not but otherwise that tool imo is a godsend for tinkerers like myself |
| 20:53.05 | zanberdo | I presume there is no issue with simply installing backupmenu via apt-get (your last statement makes me think perhaps just using apt to install/remove packages may not be the best route, but maybe I misread you) |
| 20:53.38 | psycho_oreos | well no, but I think its a good idea to check out relevant forum threads |
| 20:53.49 | zanberdo | fair play |
| 20:54.13 | psycho_oreos | I think installing backupmenu through FAM or HAM it may display a warning because of i2c-tools package is to be installed |
| 20:54.58 | zanberdo | hehe... apt-get warns as well: http://paste.debian.net/156398/ |
| 20:55.46 | psycho_oreos | ahh yeah that was the exact same message that I encountered, but it's been ages ago since I installed backupmenu lol |
| 20:56.36 | zanberdo | I've not searched thoroughly, but since you appear to be a tinkerer, perhaps you can answer this one off the top of your head: can I replace busybox with bash? |
| 20:57.02 | psycho_oreos | not completely (and ideally it would be best not to) but its doable to an extent |
| 20:57.29 | zanberdo | ok |
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| 20:57.40 | mase76 | if the init command fails, the n900 would not send the ap data, right? |
| 20:57.55 | mase76 | modemmanager sends the init command twice. |
| 20:58.03 | psycho_oreos | I've made bash the initial shell but that's about it.. all the other scripts heavily depend on ash iinm.. Awhile ago I made a horrible mistake of symlinking /bin/ash to /bin/bash which forced bootloops |
| 20:58.06 | zanberdo | seems apt-get hasn't returned since issuing the warning... |
| 20:58.15 | NIN102 | busybox isn't a shell, busybox is a colleciton of various utils in one binary. So if you want to replace ash with bash for XTerm in Maemo, it's possible, if you do something stupid like symlinking /bin/sh to /bin/bash, your system won't boot. |
| 20:58.33 | psycho_oreos | not sure but it might be expecting some sort of response |
| 20:58.37 | zanberdo | NIN102, good advice. |
| 20:58.54 | psycho_oreos | NIN102, though it does have ash in it :) |
| 20:59.14 | psycho_oreos | and that stupid move was what I did almost two years ago lol |
| 20:59.15 | Aloof_Jezzster | Hello I am look for a New HTML 5 browser for the N900 |
| 20:59.19 | NIN102 | yes, ash is the shell of busybox, but busybox is not a shell. |
| 20:59.28 | psycho_oreos | true |
| 20:59.47 | Aloof_Jezzster | I Have Fennec and OPREA? |
| 20:59.53 | Aloof_Jezzster | any good? |
| 21:00.09 | psycho_oreos | fennec is slow, opera doesn't do flash nor does fennec |
| 21:00.17 | Aloof_Jezzster | ok |
| 21:00.26 | psycho_oreos | apart from that I really don't know about html 5 support |
| 21:00.26 | Aloof_Jezzster | and Microb |
| 21:00.45 | Aloof_Jezzster | it scores 55 |
| 21:00.58 | Aloof_Jezzster | out of 160 |
| 21:01.13 | Aloof_Jezzster | but does flash |
| 21:01.20 | psycho_oreos | the browser is probably 2-3 years old, what do you expect? :) |
| 21:01.30 | Aloof_Jezzster | well |
| 21:01.33 | psycho_oreos | yeah its all to do with licensing issue |
| 21:01.47 | Aloof_Jezzster | i like my N900 |
| 21:01.49 | Aloof_Jezzster | alot |
| 21:02.14 | Aloof_Jezzster | but where thinking of moving to N9 |
| 21:02.34 | psycho_oreos | unfortunately.. technology grows sporadically faster than materialised goods |
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| 21:03.04 | psycho_oreos | N900 was a beast back in its days.. compared to modern stuff, it may not do as well with the current players :รพ |
| 21:03.39 | Aloof_Jezzster | true |
| 21:04.02 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, backuping up with backupmenu now. nice little util. |
| 21:04.38 | Aloof_Jezzster | then N900 is the closest mobile device comparable to PC |
| 21:04.46 | psycho_oreos | if you're into benchmarks and what not, maybe n9 would be suitable for you.. otherwise imo I'd avoid it. A keyboard-less device that tries hard to look like its an iphone when it isn't |
| 21:05.26 | zanberdo | the two chief reasons I bought the n900 was the keyboard and that it runs a proper OS (imho) |
| 21:05.48 | Aloof_Jezzster | true |
| 21:05.55 | Aloof_Jezzster | well said |
| 21:05.56 | psycho_oreos | and I'm saying this with experience.. both N900 and n9. There has been many times where I so wished I was playing with my N900 |
| 21:06.35 | Aloof_Jezzster | what do you have now? |
| 21:06.38 | Aloof_Jezzster | may i ask? |
| 21:06.51 | zanberdo | that said, I'm a bit miffed that the pipe and tilda aren't default keys |
| 21:07.00 | psycho_oreos | I'm still using n9.. until I buy a SIM card adapter I'm virtually stuck with n9 |
| 21:07.23 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, for osso-xterm you can customise the layout |
| 21:07.34 | Aloof_Jezzster | i have an N900 AND iP4 |
| 21:07.57 | Aloof_Jezzster | Though like the N900 more |
| 21:08.31 | psycho_oreos | err well both hardware keyboard and the vkb can be reconfigured as well.. but otherwise I think its a little easier to mess with osso-xterm as its vkb keybindings lies within gconf |
| 21:09.05 | zanberdo | I'd read that I could so something to make those keys readily available. I'd forgotten the name of the 'osso-xterm' |
| 21:10.26 | zanberdo | I presume you are referring to the 'soft-keys' available in xterm, eh psycho_oreos ? |
| 21:10.31 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, http://wiki.maemo.org/How_to_personalize_your_N900#Extra_Symbols_in_X_Terminal_.28osso-xterm.29 <--- that? |
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| 21:11.01 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, I believe that is the one. thanks |
| 21:11.14 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, soft-keys could also mean vkb that can be initiated through FN/Sym + blue arrow :) |
| 21:12.01 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, thanks for the clarification. correct terminology in our industry is critical. |
| 21:12.41 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, its the ambiguity that annoys one as well :) |
| 21:13.40 | psycho_oreos | the ideology behind iphone is nice, but not really my cup of tea as yet |
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| 21:14.34 | psycho_oreos | my next device would most likely be android powered if nokia doesn't come up with putting linux on a phone or maybe puts linux on a feeblishly spec-ed phone |
| 21:14.47 | zanberdo | now if I could just get colorization when I ssh to my n900 |
| 21:15.09 | psycho_oreos | dircolors + eval? ;) |
| 21:15.37 | zanberdo | bad news there I would assume, as Nokia just laid off 4000 employees world wide and as I'm sure you know have embraced microsoft as at least one os alternative. |
| 21:15.59 | zanberdo | tried that. throws errors with dircolors |
| 21:16.49 | psycho_oreos | there's rumours of maltemi being the linux powered device but they could produce but to be placed on lower specs phones.. probably a way to get rid of symbian |
| 21:16.52 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 21:17.03 | zanberdo | perhaps I'm doing it wrong. My instinct was to mod .bashrc. I see there are a few lines that can be uncommented, specifically an export for LS_OPTIONS and an eval "`dircolors'" which is the line that throws the error |
| 21:17.13 | psycho_oreos | s/device but/device that/ |
| 21:17.35 | zanberdo | and yes, what I read, symbian is going by the wayside. |
| 21:18.32 | psycho_oreos | hmm I don't recall doing anything special to get colours appearing through ssh.. but its been a long while since I really touched my N900 :| |
| 21:18.50 | zanberdo | it's dircolors that appears to be the issue |
| 21:18.52 | psycho_oreos | gives up on the itch and decides to dig his N900 out |
| 21:20.25 | zanberdo | eval "`dircolors`" throws "-sh: dircolors: not found. apt-cache search dircolors returns coreutils-gnu and tree. I've already installed coreutils-gnu. still no love. |
| 21:22.07 | zanberdo | actually one of the reasons I popped on here was that I was looking for locate (or mlocate or slocate) which are suggested when I installed find, but evidently they are not available in my repos. hence my original question about my repos. |
| 21:23.13 | psycho_oreos | I hardly ever used locate myself.. ever since I found locate creates this massive ascii file and needs to be updated I loathe the idea of that and preferred find |
| 21:23.40 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, yeah, but old habits die hard. and the find that is installed lacks for options :( |
| 21:24.29 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, true, somehow I grew accustomed to find.. gotta love -exec, -type, etc |
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| 21:25.06 | Aloof_Jezzster | does the Nokia N9 have a file manager? |
| 21:25.26 | psycho_oreos | not by default but you can install one |
| 21:25.29 | zanberdo | aye. however, when I tried a simply 'find -type d -iname [Bb]ackup' find threw an error complaining it didn't support my options. go figure. |
| 21:26.08 | zanberdo | what the? Call me stupid, but are there really two cameras on the N900? |
| 21:26.12 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* I would do something like find -type d -name "Backup" for instance |
| 21:26.15 | psycho_oreos | yes |
| 21:26.22 | psycho_oreos | one front one rear |
| 21:27.09 | zanberdo | bah... had this bloody thing for nearly a year and didn't realize there were two cameras. I mean, sure I noticed what I thought might be a camera, but I thought perhaps that was some sort of proximity sensor used to screw up my gui when I put the phone to my face. |
| 21:27.19 | zanberdo | stupid...stupid...stupid |
| 21:27.32 | Aloof_Jezzster | lol |
| 21:27.42 | Aloof_Jezzster | mad one |
| 21:27.44 | Aloof_Jezzster | cams |
| 21:27.53 | psycho_oreos | there was once a wise saying, ask and be stupid for one day.. never ask and be stupid for eternity |
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| 21:31.50 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, re: that dircolors issue.. the exact line from mine is this: eval "`/usr/bin/gnu/dircolors`" |
| 21:31.58 | psycho_oreos | note how there's actually two backticks |
| 21:32.05 | psycho_oreos | or tilde |
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| 21:49.49 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, thanks. I'll give that a whirl |
| 21:58.07 | Aloof_Jezzster | dig about abot the N9 seem the N900 is a better device for geek in genral and for tweaking |
| 21:59.08 | Aloof_Jezzster | the N9 seems washed |
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| 22:00.14 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, yup, dircolors is definitely located there. I've updated .bashrc accordingly unfortunately the console is still black and white and ls rejects the --color=auto directive. I'm still missing something here. I know it's in color in osso-xterm though |
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| 22:17.50 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, could it be because your terminal isn't xterm? |
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| 22:24.59 | zanberdo | erm... that could very well be it. one moment |
| 22:26.30 | zanberdo | psycho_oreos, doesn't seem to make a difference. I've opened up xterm on my desktop, ssh'd to my N900, and still all is black and white. ls of course does not recognize the --color=auto directive (issue with ls) but everything is still b&w. guess it's not that important, just annoying |
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| 22:46.43 | psycho_oreos | zanberdo, hmm I though $TERM variable being defined as xterm might have helped |
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