| 00:00.28 | Hurrian | LO starts pretty fast on the N900, if your easy-debian partition isn't on the eMMC. |
| 00:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | then otoh I don't plan to use OOo on N900, and wth needs dialer or contacts or whatever even more RAM than OOo? |
| 00:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | there's still something *very* fishy with uSD. A few days ago I tried to cp a few tens of k of files to the device via ass rage mode, total size ~1.5GB, it was slooow like molasses |
| 00:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | would've taken hours to complete |
| 00:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | so filling a 32G card would take days, via wincrap file explorer |
| 00:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | this can't be normal |
| 00:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | esp since load applet neither showed any remarkable CPU load on N900, nor any concerning swap filling |
| 00:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | this whole thing still is so extremely odd, and seems nobody has investigated to the gory details yet |
| 00:10.45 | ShadowJK | My "vomited" comment was actually about how ubuntu/fedora looks today, not about the hardware it was running on :P |
| 00:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | gathered as much. Nevertheless it made me aware of installing recent distro session awaiting me for new laptop |
| 00:12.17 | ShadowJK | hehe |
| 00:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | and hell, I'm not happy about that perspective |
| 00:12.33 | ShadowJK | I think I settled on fedora kde |
| 00:12.39 | ShadowJK | or maybe it was kubuntu, I forget. |
| 00:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | esp since after ~10 years a completely new fresh ~/ is due |
| 00:13.00 | ShadowJK | where "settled on" means that it's the distro on liveusb I carry with me for fixing people's broken windows computers |
| 00:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | a friend's Amilo refuses to boot from USB stick :-/ |
| 00:14.02 | ShadowJK | How does compcache work when it gets full? Does it work like another level or LRU between RAM and real swap? |
| 00:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | she asked me to build a 'save Os' for her |
| 00:14.32 | ShadowJK | Or is it more like a swap space with higher priority than the real swap? |
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| 00:15.03 | ShadowJK | and wtf is "ass rage" mode? |
| 00:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | afaik maemo doesn't support swap prio |
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| 00:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | mASS stoRAGE MODE |
| 00:15.30 | ShadowJK | busybox "swapon" doesn't |
| 00:15.37 | ShadowJK | kernel does |
| 00:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 00:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 00:15.48 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 00:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | ...and not even that |
| 00:16.01 | ShadowJK | I had already compiled swapon during chinook days, and just scp'd the binary to my N900 first week I had it |
| 00:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | chinook, dang! |
| 00:16.48 | ShadowJK | Regardless, the default behaviour is that new swap areas that you add appear at lower priorities relative to existing :P |
| 00:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | umm they do? |
| 00:17.31 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 00:17.33 | ShadowJK | or at higher |
| 00:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | snorts |
| 00:17.35 | ShadowJK | I forget |
| 00:17.41 | ShadowJK | but they don't end up equal |
| 00:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | now that's a 'nice' feature |
| 00:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~hail messybox |
| 00:18.02 | infobot | ACTION bows down to messybox and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 00:18.16 | ShadowJK | normal swapon has same behaviour |
| 00:18.27 | ShadowJK | If you don't specify priority, it picks current-1 |
| 00:18.36 | ShadowJK | might be a kernel feature actually |
| 00:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, with messybox you'd never even know |
| 00:19.30 | ShadowJK | cat /proc/swaps |
| 00:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | or is there some /proc node to learn about current prio of swap? |
| 00:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 00:20.00 | ShadowJK | My first linux experience was on a single-floppy distro that had replaced most basic utilities with simple shell scripts ;P |
| 00:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 00:20.14 | ShadowJK | so my baseline is to poke /proc manually :D |
| 00:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | minix?` |
| 00:20.23 | ShadowJK | tomsrtbt |
| 00:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | grblsxtrxwtf?!## |
| 00:20.46 | ShadowJK | isn't minix Tanenbaum's educational unix? |
| 00:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:21.40 | ShadowJK | tomsrtbt is so old, that it lists tucows as a mirror. When did tucows die btw? |
| 00:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | hard to remember what tucows actualy was ;-D |
| 00:22.28 | ShadowJK | This software download site in the 90s |
| 00:22.56 | ShadowJK | full of "shareware" software |
| 00:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | my muscle memory seems to remember typing the word some time back |
| 00:23.22 | ShadowJK | It'd be the place where you downloaded netscape 2.0 Gold from |
| 00:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | probably on Amiga1000 |
| 00:23.43 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not though |
| 00:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC my Amiga had no *real* internet ever |
| 00:24.17 | ShadowJK | Yeah mine didn't |
| 00:24.31 | ShadowJK | I only had fred fish mail order :P |
| 00:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | fishdisks \o/ |
| 00:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | dang those were the times, where your computer made you *meet* friends |
| 00:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | in RL |
| 00:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | once a week, for a fishdisk copy party |
| 00:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | with a second external floppy drive this was real fun |
| 00:27.42 | ShadowJK | Here it didn't mean meetings |
| 00:27.49 | ShadowJK | distances too large between computer users :P |
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| 00:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | I modded the drive with a manual "external" write protect switch, and a write indicator 2color LED |
| 00:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | only 5km to next amiga user here, back when |
| 00:28.42 | ShadowJK | did however result in snailmail fish disk copying |
| 00:28.54 | ShadowJK | and snailmail attempts at obtaining blank floppies |
| 00:29.06 | ShadowJK | there was always a shortage of floppies |
| 00:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | do you remember that awesome though never coming true VHS tape storage project? |
| 00:29.19 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:29.24 | ShadowJK | and bubble mmeory |
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| 00:30.43 | ShadowJK | I remember this one time one of my contacts managed to source 10 floppies for me |
| 00:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | they offered to ship the coder hw with a VHS holding several HUNDRED MB of shareware, WTF! |
| 00:31.04 | ShadowJK | it seemed like a storage amount that'd last a few years at the time :P |
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| 00:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 00:31.31 | ShadowJK | then 4 of them turned out to be bad :( |
| 00:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 00:32.34 | ShadowJK | It's kind of amazing that despite the flooding in thailand, you'd still and are still able to just go out and buy a harddrive from wherever |
| 00:32.47 | ShadowJK | at a higher price, sure, but it's not like it's impossible to get |
| 00:32.56 | Hurrian | i've been salvaging hard drives from old machines as of late |
| 00:33.16 | Hurrian | going to junk shops, taking RAM and HDD |
| 00:33.26 | Hurrian | prices of HDDs here are up 150% |
| 00:33.45 | ShadowJK | that's not so bad |
| 00:33.51 | Hurrian | uhh, they're now 150% of old price, not 150% higher ;) |
| 00:33.56 | ShadowJK | In my brain I was assuming 300% |
| 00:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm off for some booze now, as that'S what I planned to do since I came home from that friggin windoze daywork 6h ago |
| 00:34.47 | ShadowJK | I had my reset bottle a while ago :) Pissed off getting criticized at work for actually improving efficiency and increasing productivity |
| 00:34.53 | ShadowJK | apparently it makes other people look lazy. |
| 00:35.01 | ShadowJK | So it's a bad thing to do. |
| 00:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-(((( |
| 00:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | been there, felt that |
| 00:36.10 | Hurrian | welcome to upper management |
| 00:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | "no, you're not supposed to write a shellscript to do that ever-same editing job week for week" |
| 00:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I think "meh, I'll write it anyway, I'll just not tell YOU :-P" |
| 00:37.11 | ShadowJK | hah |
| 00:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget the proper sleep commands in the loops, so the job is no faster than you were, just running unattencded ;-P |
| 00:40.39 | ShadowJK | Luckily when I was at that point, replacing manual work with shell script, the output was to be delivered as 5000 sheets of paper |
| 00:41.00 | ShadowJK | so it was enough if I looked busy for half a year. |
| 00:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | actually a poor joke, I was suposed to copy the length in milliseconds for a few hundred audio samples from a excel sheet to a .c file into a structure |
| 00:41.35 | Hurrian | soundboards? |
| 00:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | voice navi |
| 00:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | navi voice guidance |
| 00:42.19 | ShadowJK | why was that in an excel sheet to begin with.. |
| 00:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | because at the studio where they recorded the samples they used a excel sheet to write down the length of every sample |
| 00:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | "left" 377; "right" 418; "turn" 321; |
| 00:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | those durations were *hardcoded* in the guidance sw then (!!) |
| 00:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | by me... |
| 00:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | every week again |
| 00:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes just for one language, sometimes for maybe 8 or 13 |
| 00:46.10 | ShadowJK | cat left turn in five hundred meters | audioplay |
| 00:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 00:46.41 | ShadowJK | but someone had to make it difficult :P |
| 00:46.52 | Hurrian | that seems like the wrong approach to do things. why not write up a func to play the wav, then just pass the words to be played as args? |
| 00:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | nah, they had one large chunk of audio, and played excerpts |
| 00:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | less padding in filesystem |
| 00:47.30 | Hurrian | shocking |
| 00:47.35 | ShadowJK | so the milliseconds described where in the huge file the desired phrase was? :) |
| 00:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:47.47 | Hurrian | i assume they were using fat/fat32? |
| 00:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | prolly |
| 00:48.08 | ShadowJK | I know tomtom uses/used fat on ext on fat on ext on fat on ext |
| 00:48.10 | ShadowJK | or something like that |
| 00:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | I think this was even pre-tomtom |
| 00:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | last millenium |
| 00:48.54 | ShadowJK | Apparently they had a "user tries to upgrade firmware, then yanks SD card" usecase which they repeated 10 times and the requirement was that the device would sitll boot |
| 00:49.20 | ShadowJK | and the only thing that survived was some weird loop file on ext on fat thing.. |
| 00:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 00:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, on those devices I worked for they had CDs to upgrade |
| 00:50.45 | ShadowJK | must've been volvo or bmw :) |
| 00:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | and basically the CD was supposed to stay in that radio as long as you wanted to use navi |
| 00:51.20 | ShadowJK | Ah, in that case a big monolithic file has advantages in giving you predictable seek behaviour :) |
| 00:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I think they both used that Siemens/VDO stuff |
| 00:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | actually half a dozen of car manufs used it |
| 00:54.13 | ShadowJK | Alltogether all car owners I've talked to have hated it |
| 00:54.18 | ShadowJK | not because of features or whatever |
| 00:54.35 | ShadowJK | but because it costs a good 2000E to update maps each time :P |
| 00:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 00:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | anyway the voice was the best I ever heard on any voice guidance |
| 00:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | samples recorded at some university for media and acoustics |
| 00:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | by a really internationally acknowledged professor and his tudents, with carefully selected native speakers |
| 01:00.49 | ShadowJK | It generally works well when the system is designed ground up for a specific language |
| 01:01.01 | ShadowJK | but then when it gets translated it usually falls apart in some ways |
| 01:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the wicked differences between some of the languages this system supported were giving the narrator coders some headaches |
| 01:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | when suddenly you got no structure like "in <distance> <unit>, go <direction>" but rather sth like "please do <distance+direction> <action>" |
| 01:04.46 | ShadowJK | Yeah don't forget to account for all the sandhi effects at word boundaries ;P |
| 01:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | I know (or knew) each friggin nasty detail of that topic :-D |
| 01:08.41 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:08.48 | ShadowJK | Linguists hardly know |
| 01:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, I knew as much as I reasonably could know |
| 01:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | the prof gave me a day crashcourse |
| 01:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | on a level starting where publicly available knowledge ended |
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| 05:06.16 | mattcen | Hi all. I'd like to reflash my N900 (first time), but am paranoid I'll use the wrong images. I got my N900 in Australia, so I assume I need RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin. Could anybody confirm this please? |
| 05:07.11 | Hurrian | yes |
| 05:07.18 | Hurrian | that would be correct. |
| 05:07.54 | mattcen | Awesome. And I flash with VANILLA, followed immediately by COMBINED? |
| 05:08.20 | Hurrian | yes. |
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| 05:09.08 | mattcen | Cool. Thanks Hurrian. |
| 05:09.23 | mattcen | prepares to get started. I always get nervous when flashing any sort of firmware :S |
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| 05:28.35 | beford | ~firmware |
| 05:28.35 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ |
| 05:28.46 | beford | ~updating |
| 05:28.52 | beford | ~flashing |
| 05:28.52 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 05:28.56 | beford | :d |
| 05:29.54 | mattcen | That hellofone link is obsilete :) |
| 05:29.59 | mattcen | obsolete* |
| 05:30.12 | Macer | heh |
| 05:30.35 | Macer | most things are obsolete |
| 05:30.49 | Macer | i'm surprised nokia is still hosting maemo.org |
| 05:31.25 | Macer | you would think after preparing to fire thousands of workers and moving all its factories to asia to make flimsy disgusting future phones that they would cut corners anywhere they could |
| 05:33.20 | Macer | why the hell are e7s so expensive all of a sudden? |
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| 05:35.32 | Macer | i was waiting for it to hit 300 and it shot back up past 400 |
| 05:35.33 | Macer | heh |
| 06:15.56 | mattcen | wipes his brow. Well that flash was relatively painless. |
| 06:25.49 | mattcen | Odd. After flashing and subsequently connecting to my wifi AP, it doesn't seem to retrieve a DNS server via DHCP... |
| 06:28.43 | mattcen | Ah, nevermind; looks like I was just doing it wrong |
| 06:32.14 | mattcen | So So it's a bit unclear. Should I do a full package update from the default Nokia repos before installing the Community SSU? |
| 06:35.07 | Hurrian | no need to do so. |
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| 06:36.16 | mattcen | OK then. Thanks. |
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| 07:25.02 | Macer | i still have to flash my n810 lol |
| 07:25.10 | Macer | and figure out how to get debian on it |
| 07:25.34 | Macer | some of these mini-itx boards are amazing |
| 07:25.38 | Macer | i need to build one soon |
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| 07:25.41 | Macer | maybe 2 |
| 07:26.04 | Macer | they have an intel one that goes up to 7GB and an quad core i5 |
| 07:26.12 | Macer | in a mini-itx.. that's great |
| 07:26.16 | Macer | wonder how much power that would eat up |
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| 07:47.05 | Gear_ | hey how do I read a hard drive with H-E-N once it's mounted |
| 07:47.37 | Gear_ | I looked at the kernel messages and it detected the right drive etc, but I can't find out how to access it... |
| 07:49.48 | Gear_ | I look through file manager and nothing |
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| 07:57.44 | mattcen | Having installed the stable version of CSSU, am I able to safely upgrade to the devel release? |
| 07:58.06 | mattcen | s/devel/testing/ |
| 07:59.06 | mattcen | Oh that is cool. |
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| 08:05.37 | Hurrian | yes |
| 08:05.43 | Hurrian | but you cannot go backwards |
| 08:06.22 | Hurrian | well you can, but you have to do it manually, risking breaking config files. |
| 08:10.15 | Gear_ | how do you know if a drive has mounted properly using h-e-n |
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| 08:54.09 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.18 | Sicelo | sorry for spam |
| 08:55.43 | Sicelo | Gear_: i assume u found out by now... if not: when u hit mount, there's a brief dialog that confirms mounting, and shows u the mount point. u could also check in terminal by running 'mount'. even File Manager shows the connected drive |
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| 09:19.52 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Twenty-one German soldiers entombed in a perfectly preserved World War One shelter have been discovered 94 years after they were killed. |
| 09:24.09 | Macer | wow |
| 09:24.33 | SpeedEvil | ponders linking to 'Iron Sky'. |
| 09:25.06 | Macer | i wonder what the shelter looked like |
| 09:25.20 | Macer | they should turn it into a museum.. was it a large bunker type shelter? |
| 09:28.33 | RST38h | Enjoy http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9074336/German-soldiers-preserved-in-World-War-I-shelter-discovered-after-nearly-100-years.html |
| 09:29.01 | RST38h | There is a similar shelter museum in Moscow, minus the cadavers of course |
| 09:30.52 | SpeedEvil | ' Even the skeleton of a goat was found, assumed to be a source of fresh milk for the soldiers. ' - right. |
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| 09:39.07 | Macer | heh |
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| 09:57.30 | jaska | fresh milk... or something else |
| 10:02.54 | Macer | fresh sex |
| 10:02.54 | Macer | :) |
| 10:02.56 | mattcen | Thanks Hurrian, you've been very helpful. Another question: I went to add the maemo extras-{testing,devel} to my App catalogue, but noticed they were already there but disabled. |
| 10:03.42 | mattcen | (I assume they were installed by the CSSU, but they may've been put there when I restored my backup). Anybody know of a reason I *shouldn't* re-enable them? (e.g. conflicts with CSSU?) |
| 10:04.51 | Macer | usually i only enable them when there is an app i really want that is only in testing or dev |
| 10:05.09 | mattcen | Macer: And then disable it once you've downloaded the app? |
| 10:05.17 | Macer | yes usually :) |
| 10:05.29 | Macer | i found a mass update of apps already installed seems to cause problems eventually |
| 10:06.05 | RST38h | ...No teddy bears are to be allowed in Site 24 to prevent any confusion or mistaken identity. Any object that resembles a teddy bear is to be reported to the security team immediately... |
| 10:06.06 | mattcen | Cool, I might give that a go then. I was just going through my list of previously installed packages and found several small but incredibly useful ones that aren't available outside extras-testing or -devel. |
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| 10:07.06 | Macer | lol |
| 10:07.10 | Macer | those damn teddy bears |
| 10:07.51 | RST38h | ...Subject resembles a teddy bear similar in size and shape to SCP-1048, but is made entirely out of human ears. Witnesses interviewed said it appeared as if SCP-1048 was giving a tour to the "newcomer"... |
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| 10:08.37 | mattcen | feels like he's missed something fundamental about how the topic of teddy bears arose... |
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| 10:12.40 | Macer | RST38h: wtf? |
| 10:12.53 | Macer | made entirely out of human ears? :) |
| 10:13.04 | Gear_ | sicelo, this drive isn't mounting then |
| 10:13.21 | Gear_ | it should :/ |
| 10:13.45 | Gear_ | it detected it as the proper drive and stuff but nothing showed up in file manager |
| 10:13.50 | RST38h | Macer: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1048 |
| 10:18.49 | Macer | lmao! |
| 10:18.52 | Macer | someone has to make a movie of that |
| 10:18.57 | Macer | resident evil style |
| 10:19.06 | Macer | killer teddy bears made of human ears |
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| 10:34.51 | originalserver | I am selling dedicated servers in different countries, only windows xp, 2003,2008, seven! write who need them. |
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| 10:45.37 | RST38h | Macer: If people start making moviesof every SCP object listed on the site, the horror movie industry will quickly go out of business |
| 10:45.59 | RST38h | originalserver: I need one with Slackware Linux could you please send me |
| 10:46.55 | originalserver | sorry only windows |
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| 10:56.42 | RST38h | mhm |
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| 12:42.55 | Sicelo | hmm, sorry then. when using y-cable, i first connect flash disk to cable and pwer the whole thing with an external 5V supply, then connect the whole thing to N900 immeditely after i'mve hit vboost in h-e-n. |
| 12:43.19 | Sicelo | *power |
| 12:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: ping |
| 12:44.36 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 12:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: mhm |
| 12:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | I assume you stop the time til USB stick ready from the moment you attach it to external power supply then? |
| 12:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | as that'S the moment the stick's controller starts to "boot up" the stick |
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| 12:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | if it sat there for 5 min powered via Y-cable from external PSU, it's no wonder h-e-n/N900 can enumerate it immediately after you plugged it in |
| 12:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's not exactly unusual that some sticks need 30s or even longer to initialize after powering them up. The only reason you usually don't notice that is that on a 'sane' USB host ENUM starts automatically after stick finished initialization. But I'm recaling quite well last time I plugged a USB stick to my laptop it took like 1 minute for the dialog "do you want to a) digicam, b) konqueror..." to pop up after plugging the stick |
| 12:53.57 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: how does the os detect when to enumerate? |
| 12:54.14 | merlin1991 | (in a sane environment) |
| 12:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | so even if there's some problem and that'smaybe a linux specific problem, it's for sure and evidently not related to h-e-n and the way vboost works |
| 12:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I *think* it gets an IRQ from USB controller about "device attached" then starts to try ENUM |
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| 12:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | as we - due to dirty hack testmode we need to exploit - don't get such IRQ on mentorgfy musb-hdrc in N900, h-e-n has the ENUM button to hit manually |
| 12:56.35 | Sicelo | ok. understood. weird though, but i follow the logic. thanks :) |
| 12:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | YW |
| 13:01.52 | mattcen | Hi again all. Sorry to bother you again; I just noticed that my camera doesn't work. I open the lens cover and get "Operatin failed". I suspect it may be related to installing kernel-power, despite having followed the instructions to install the new camera driver... |
| 13:01.52 | mattcen | Any idea how I can debug this? |
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| 13:02.34 | merlin1991 | mattcen: kernel power should work just fine with stock camera drivers |
| 13:03.04 | mattcen | Hmmm... |
| 13:03.16 | merlin1991 | But you can wait for Pali or freemangordon to show up here |
| 13:06.27 | Sicelo | hmm, maybe u installed wrong drivers, or u have a disk issue. i'm on kp & never had to use any camera drivers |
| 13:06.50 | Macer | hm |
| 13:06.54 | Macer | i'm trying out synchronet |
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| 13:13.48 | mattcen | Fixed it. Thanks guys; I *reverted* what I read on the KP wiki page (which, upon re-reading I probably shouldn't have tried; 'apt-get install fcam-drivers'), and rebooted; now all is good. |
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| 13:30.20 | mattcen | Can anybody recommend a twitter client for Maemo? |
| 13:30.31 | Sicelo | :) |
| 13:30.34 | merlin1991 | Tweego |
| 13:30.45 | merlin1991 | Butm rts don't work |
| 13:31.59 | mattcen | tries |
| 13:32.53 | merlin1991 | has a pa |
| 13:32.53 | merlin1991 | ...tch somewhere for tweego and retweets |
| 13:34.35 | mattcen | Ah *nice*. Looks much better than witter and mauku |
| 13:35.37 | merlin1991 | And starts way faster than witter :) |
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| 14:00.46 | mattcen | gets ready for bed. Thanks for all your help today everybody! |
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| 19:01.56 | hanspeter | hi, where are the IM account passwords stored? |
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| 19:21.09 | Meizirkki | finally got n810 :P |
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| 20:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | hanspeter: try gconftool -R /|grep -C 5 "yourpassword" |
| 20:29.21 | hanspeter | hm, i tried grepping for my username, but no match :/ |
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| 20:40.24 | DrGrov | Hi DocScrutinizer |
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| 20:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | hi DrGrov |
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| 20:52.27 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: You got the PM ? |
| 20:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm generally not interested in PM |
| 20:53.08 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Ok, just thought you would read what I wrote. |
| 20:53.31 | DrGrov | But no need to read it. Just wondered on your take on the whole situation. |
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| 20:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | and you think I'm afraid to utter my "take on the situation" in a public channel? |
| 20:56.02 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: No, of course not Doc. I know you can talk about it in a public channel anytime, anyplace. Just thought that it was something that you like not to share. But sure, I am open for discussion in a public channel. |
| 20:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | I just don't see any topic to discuss right atm |
| 20:58.52 | DrGrov | Ok, I understand. If I understand your standpoint correctly, you are against opening up the security because regular users are not aware of the possible risks of doing so? |
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| 21:00.44 | DrGrov | Sorry, probably wrong channel to have this discussion. |
| 21:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | and a completely wrong conception of my POV regarding the whole topic |
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| 21:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | what I said was "don't use hacks when there's an official supported way to achieve way more than what your hack can do" |
| 21:04.34 | DrGrov | Ok, I misinterpreted your point of view. My mistake. |
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| 21:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: you also seem not aware of the fact that openmode kernel is hosted on *my* server |
| 21:07.35 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: No I am not aware of that because I have not gotten that far on my N9 adventure yet to actually use openmode. |
| 21:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | so assuming I was a friend of keeping this "security" crap is a bit... weird |
| 21:09.24 | DrGrov | I am not assuming that you like to keep Aegis. I have seen you write about how you do not like Aegis. |
| 21:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | so figure my laughs when some paranoid hacker comes pestering me about "but hey, we don't need openmode as we also could do X Y Z - well it's way less convenient than openmode but it's nifty and shows Nokia how poor their implementation of the whole concept is, and ***it gets rid of the warning screen**" |
| 21:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 21:11.10 | DrGrov | I am assuming the beer did the trick yesterday :) |
| 21:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | as if "getting rid of warning screen" was a major design goal and would cause any difference regarding warranty from Nokia |
| 21:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, there's nothing to discuss |
| 21:14.03 | DrGrov | Ok, I rest my case and go and hit the kill switch on myself :P |
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| 21:15.58 | DrGrov | I will not say anything more about this then. Very informative though to hear your opinions DocScrutinizer. Always gives a good view on things. |
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| 21:32.51 | vizzy | hi |
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| 21:37.23 | vizzy | i installed openssh server and client but i dont know the password |
| 21:37.39 | vizzy | in the details it says i will be asked for a password during install, which seems not happen |
| 21:38.03 | vizzy | anyone lnow my passwords? *g or how to set them up? will i break things if i set passwd for root? |
| 21:39.33 | vizzy | and the password is not rootme or so |
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| 21:40.42 | vizzy | and user gainroot also does not work |
| 21:40.58 | vizzy | so how to set up rootpassword for local access and sshh remote access on maemo5 devices? |
| 21:41.33 | vizzy | google is a bit useless, only the same resources which tells me openssh will ask for a passwd which definitely does not happen |
| 21:42.43 | vizzy | Install OpenSSH (client and server) |
| 21:42.43 | vizzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.47 | vizzy | ^^bullshit |
| 21:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | vizzy: no bullshit |
| 21:45.50 | vizzy | maybe, but i definitely was not asked for a new passwd |
| 21:45.59 | vizzy | i reinstalled several times |
| 21:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | openssh WILL ask for password (IIRC) if you install it via HAM |
| 21:46.11 | vizzy | HAM? |
| 21:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | Hildom App Manager |
| 21:46.23 | vizzy | i did so |
| 21:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 21:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 21:46.39 | vizzy | however, i found that i can use passwd as on a generic linux system |
| 21:46.48 | vizzy | and i dont need to knbow the passwd for this |
| 21:46.54 | ShadowJK | maybe it only asks if there is no existing password |
| 21:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, no problem, as you can do "root" (given you installed rootsh) and then set your root password |
| 21:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: good point |
| 21:47.32 | vizzy | so, if i can change pw without knowing the passwd i found a bit bad |
| 21:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | usually you got the null password for root |
| 21:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | which doesn't work for ssh |
| 21:47.46 | vizzy | hmmm, yes |
| 21:48.10 | vizzy | ok, will it have any affect to the systems automagical scripts if i change rootpasswd from ull to anything? |
| 21:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | vizzy: you can gain root on N900, without any password |
| 21:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | so changing the password is actually the minor threat |
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| 21:48.45 | vizzy | DocScrutinizer, yes, but im ot sure if it will break things on changing pw |
| 21:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | no, both user and root pw are safe to change |
| 21:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 21:49.07 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 21:49.12 | vizzy | ah, ok, thats what i wanna know :) thank you |
| 21:49.20 | ShadowJK | rootsh and "sudo gainroot" or "root" |
| 21:49.27 | vizzy | jepp |
| 21:49.31 | vizzy | i know the way |
| 21:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | you maybe also wanna know how to change the default of not asking for password when doing sudo |
| 21:49.47 | vizzy | all i wanna know was what will happen if i change the root pw for some reason |
| 21:50.17 | vizzy | DocScrutinizer, yes :) please |
| 21:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 21:50.22 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 21:51.42 | vizzy | ah, thx :) |
| 21:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot |
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| 22:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | vizzy: refresh that wiki page, I added a short explaining comment |
| 22:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | as the sed cmd is a bit obfuscated with all the line continuations and leading spaces |
| 22:09.30 | vizzy | okay |
| 22:09.33 | vizzy | thank you |
| 22:10.04 | vizzy | btw, i used proximityclock, muahaha, that app always removes all widgets from desktop, hahaha |
| 22:10.16 | vizzy | should be renamed in desktop-cleanup |
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| 23:19.18 | arvut | how do I auto-identify with irssi? |
| 23:19.35 | arvut | barjavel just told me to do so |
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| 23:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: I guess barjavel also sent you some URLs |
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| 23:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: >> If your client supports server password, please set this up as :<accountname> <password>. << from http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify |
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