| 00:00.31 | merlin1991 | BCMM too tired now and also SD69 stated on tmo that he got told it is down for 'maintainance' |
| 00:00.36 | jonaskoelker | the orientation lock applet, can it lock on to landscape mode only? I can't seem to make it lock to portrait... |
| 00:00.49 | merlin1991 | yes it only locks to landscape |
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| 00:01.02 | BCMM | merlin1991: sounds like somebody is on it then |
| 00:01.26 | BCMM | merlin1991: i mean, it being down probqably implies that anyway |
| 00:01.39 | merlin1991 | could be rouge script too ;) |
| 00:01.58 | BCMM | anyone posting malicious client-side code would want the server to stay up |
| 00:02.01 | merlin1991 | there's a pending merge request on gitorious for a portrait lock (with issues), but tbh the whole portrait / landscape / forced rotation bs needs to get sanitized |
| 00:02.21 | merlin1991 | true |
| 00:02.22 | jonaskoelker | is there anything stopping the applet from locking into portrait mode (besides the code not being written yet)? |
| 00:02.54 | merlin1991 | yeah the current system how h-d handles rotation kinda makes a portrait lock impossible to implement in a proper way |
| 00:03.38 | merlin1991 | the whole handling needs to get sanitized and for that we also need a fix to qt because qt behaves different to gtk which makes the whole rotation experience inkonsistent |
| 00:04.00 | jonaskoelker | I kan see what you did there :) |
| 00:04.28 | jonaskoelker | so what you're saying is that nokia wrote some bungly spaghetti? |
| 00:04.59 | merlin1991 | I'm saying nokia wrote code for lanscape with some exceptions that can go portrait |
| 00:05.10 | merlin1991 | then cssu came along and introduced forced roation |
| 00:05.14 | merlin1991 | and then the lock |
| 00:05.22 | merlin1991 | and that combination made it epic spaghetti :D |
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| 00:05.50 | merlin1991 | btw the mg for the portrait lock is here: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/24 if you can't wait for it and want to apply it for yourself in its currenty ugly state :P |
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| 00:06.46 | jonaskoelker | that's my new favorite dish: epic spaghetti |
| 00:07.07 | jonaskoelker | with open sauce ;) |
| 00:08.48 | merlin1991 | headesks trying to get his n900 to forward his packages |
| 00:08.58 | jonaskoelker | ugh, then I'd have to get a c dev env set up for my n900 |
| 00:09.12 | merlin1991 | scratchbox is your friend ;) |
| 00:09.21 | jonaskoelker | I know. The manual isn't |
| 00:09.29 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/155145/ should forward anything from usb0 in proper nat style |
| 00:09.40 | merlin1991 | only that it doesn't and the notebook gets no connectivity |
| 00:10.17 | merlin1991 | (I have bigger script in place that insmods the proper g_ether module, sets up usb0 and starts dnsmasq to provide a proper ip + gateway + dns to the notebook |
| 00:11.10 | merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/155133 is the full script |
| 00:13.37 | merlin1991 | jonaskoelker: the sb manual is great |
| 00:13.42 | merlin1991 | but it's on the maemo wiki |
| 00:13.46 | newbie007 | I've got scratchbox / Xephry working on debian |
| 00:13.47 | merlin1991 | which currently is dead |
| 00:13.58 | newbie007 | it wasn't super easy |
| 00:14.17 | newbie007 | I'd really like to get hildon desktop without xephyr running on my nook color |
| 00:14.47 | newbie007 | I targeted ubuntu first and couldn't make it happen |
| 00:14.49 | merlin1991 | if you avoid the common gotchas like 'don't use the py installer' and just go straight for a manual installation it works fine :D |
| 00:15.12 | merlin1991 | newbie007: there is the cordia project which I think has based h-d on top of mer |
| 00:15.21 | newbie007 | I didn't use the gui installer, sh over perl... |
| 00:15.47 | merlin1991 | maybe you can add a lil hw adaption and have a proper image for your nook? |
| 00:15.54 | newbie007 | yeah but that cordia is trying to come out with a new tablet,, instead of just targeting the existing hardware(s) |
| 00:16.27 | newbie007 | if ever figure that out.. I think that would be super awesome |
| 00:16.54 | newbie007 | I got a xoom also, I'd wipe that off in a second |
| 00:17.09 | newbie007 | I have no trust nor love for android |
| 00:17.27 | merlin1991 | at least the guys in #mer and #nemomobile keep repeating that it is 'super easy to port mer to other platforms' so if you get a mer base on your nook you should be ably to just apply corida h-d stuff on top |
| 00:18.06 | newbie007 | what's the OS? a new distro called mer? and what's the default window manager |
| 00:18.07 | newbie007 | ? |
| 00:18.17 | merlin1991 | x |
| 00:18.21 | newbie007 | I'll check it out |
| 00:18.22 | merlin1991 | and the base os is mer |
| 00:18.37 | merlin1991 | http://merproject.com/ |
| 00:19.01 | newbie007 | other than mac, android, and hildon there really isn't a tablet based ui -- I think |
| 00:21.21 | jonaskoelker | there's probably going to be an ubuntu thing |
| 00:21.35 | jonaskoelker | next up, ubuntu embedded-microchip-in-a-washing-machine edition |
| 00:21.40 | jonaskoelker | with 120% more emacs |
| 00:27.10 | robbiethe1st | Just so long as it has 120% more VIM too! |
| 00:35.26 | newbie007 | what I like about nano is like backspace deletes the previous character, the up arrow moves the cursor up. That sort of thing |
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| 00:36.58 | r00t-eeepc | the only reason i use vim exclusively is that my school essentialy forced all student to use emacs in the initial courses... |
| 00:37.04 | r00t-eeepc | *students |
| 00:37.23 | r00t-eeepc | which is the most fucking retarded way possible to promote an editor |
| 00:39.55 | newbie007 | I think emacs can also play solitare, execute terminal commands it basically is a OS |
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| 01:26.33 | newbie007 | So I've created a desktop widget, it's for my own use. But I don't mind giving to the communtity. I don't know how to proceed.. any suggestions? |
| 01:28.43 | merlin1991 | what does it do? |
| 01:28.55 | merlin1991 | but in gerneal you apply for extras rights and upload it to extras-devel |
| 01:29.51 | newbie007 | it's a circular icon that changes color based on some data it gets from the internet. Green to red based on price of oil, the DOW, doomsday clock, dollar index, price of gold |
| 01:39.37 | r00t^home | i hope it changes to grey when you are offline |
| 01:43.00 | newbie007 | it caches the last known value |
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| 08:56.50 | Gear_ | hey |
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| 08:58.08 | Gear_ | I'm making a kite that will have my n900 attached and can drop stuff |
| 08:58.25 | Gear_ | so far I have gstreamer working for a wireless video feed to my netbook |
| 08:59.01 | Gear_ | I need to think of a way to control a usb device connected to the n900 in order to drop stuff |
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| 09:06.15 | SpeedEvil | Gear_: the easy way is to simply enable USB power |
| 09:06.28 | SpeedEvil | and run it directly from the ~5V 200mA out. |
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| 09:06.58 | SpeedEvil | This could in principle run a _very_ small motor, or more sanely, switch another higehr power signal |
| 09:07.30 | Gear_ | what I need to figure out is how to switch things remotely using SSH |
| 09:08.20 | Gear_ | like realistically I only need to trigger one thing, the rest of the hardware can be built around that |
| 09:09.25 | Gear_ | I need to turn a switch on and off with my n900, the n900 will be connected via wifi to my netbook |
| 09:09.40 | SpeedEvil | See above |
| 09:09.48 | SpeedEvil | Turn on USB hostmode power |
| 09:09.55 | SpeedEvil | this is your signal. |
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| 09:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | Gear_: ssh c booston |
| 09:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | or rather, open ssh, then simply start booston |
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| 09:11.23 | Gear_ | I'm waiting for my host cables to arrive in the mail so I can't try this yet |
| 09:11.27 | SpeedEvil | Also - you can use the audio out |
| 09:11.34 | SpeedEvil | simply beep |
| 09:11.50 | SpeedEvil | Or a photodiode, and hte camera flash LED |
| 09:12.09 | Gear_ | shit, the beep is like the simplest and best idea yet |
| 09:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, 200mA@5V seem more appropriate to drive a not so small servo |
| 09:12.23 | SpeedEvil | Actually |
| 09:12.42 | SpeedEvil | an opamp and a diode, should get you a servo-compatible signal from an audio output |
| 09:13.12 | Gear_ | I was gonna worry about the whole "dropping stuff" mechanism AFTER I found a way to at least remotely trigger some sort of signal |
| 09:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | no way the simplest idea. The absulte simplest idea is to use the 5V from USB |
| 09:13.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 09:13.55 | SpeedEvil | But with the audio option, you can control multiple servos, and actually fly it using the GPS and a couple of servos and the accellerometer. |
| 09:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 09:14.16 | Gear_ | it's connected to a kite |
| 09:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | but that requires full RC equipment |
| 09:15.05 | Gear_ | I cant' control the kite much except reel it in or reel it out, and the video feed will show me what's beneath the kite |
| 09:15.51 | SpeedEvil | You won't get more than a few tens of meters unles syou aim an appropriate dish at the n900 from your antenna |
| 09:15.59 | SpeedEvil | from your router, even |
| 09:16.34 | Gear_ | 40m ? 50m? |
| 09:16.53 | SpeedEvil | Possibly |
| 09:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | should work line of sight |
| 09:17.05 | SpeedEvil | ranges will gretly depend on if there is any interference. |
| 09:17.14 | Gear_ | it's line of sight because it's on a kite and I'm on the ground |
| 09:17.18 | SpeedEvil | And relative orientations are fun |
| 09:17.31 | Gear_ | the n900 has to face camera towards ground |
| 09:17.32 | SpeedEvil | hangs out on #highaltitude |
| 09:17.40 | SpeedEvil | We're launching balloons :) |
| 09:18.13 | SpeedEvil | Yesterday, we flew one 100 miles over england, and overshot a little, the cutdown failed, it landed 300 yards offshore, and blew back on. |
| 09:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 09:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hope you're fine with the weather |
| 09:19.23 | Gear_ | I'd love to operate a blimp or something, but I am poor as hell and don't wanna see my n900 go floating away to never be seen again |
| 09:19.40 | SpeedEvil | Not quite as epic a failure as the team that launched on the very western tip of the USA, meant to go 500 miles or so, but ended up in the Med. |
| 09:19.43 | Gear_ | I'm in australia |
| 09:19.53 | SpeedEvil | Oh - a number of people down there doing it too. |
| 09:19.56 | Gear_ | it's summer right now |
| 09:20.03 | Gear_ | are they in melbourne? |
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| 09:22.00 | SpeedEvil | From memory, yes. |
| 09:22.16 | Gear_ | I should probably try to find them |
| 09:22.18 | SpeedEvil | One launched from melbourne, and got just off the sea next ot sydney |
| 09:22.21 | SpeedEvil | #highaltitude |
| 09:22.52 | SpeedEvil | We have a nice predictor. |
| 09:23.17 | SpeedEvil | That can predict accurately (fairly) the path of a released balloon, given certain thins like rise rate and burst altitude. |
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| 09:23.28 | Gear_ | actually I shouldn't have really said what my project even was, I thought you'd all be anonymous poeple extremely far away |
| 09:23.34 | SpeedEvil | http://habhub.org/predict/ |
| 09:24.00 | SpeedEvil | Mapping from kites is quite common - also see #openstreetmap over on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:24.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:24.43 | Gear_ | I've already worked out a script to stream video from the camera, to my netbook which is in AP mode |
| 09:25.09 | SpeedEvil | You have built a polystyrene shell for the n900? |
| 09:26.12 | Gear_ | the kite I'm making is huge, hopefully it won't fall |
| 09:26.32 | Gear_ | 5 feet, parafoil style |
| 09:26.35 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 09:26.45 | SpeedEvil | I had a UAV design. |
| 09:26.55 | SpeedEvil | The sensitive parts were shock-mounted on a PCB. |
| 09:26.57 | Gear_ | all I really have is a thick silicone case for the phone |
| 09:27.13 | Gear_ | a piece of crap that cost 2 dollars and probably won't protect it from anything |
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| 09:27.25 | SpeedEvil | Inside a carbon fibre egg. Inside a polypropylene foam shell. Inside an outer fibreglass shell. |
| 09:27.47 | SpeedEvil | It was designed to take full power impacts onto concrete. |
| 09:28.11 | Gear_ | a polystyrene shell would probably blow in the wind and aim the camera in the wrong direction so I couldnt' see where the stuff lands when I drop it |
| 09:28.18 | SpeedEvil | I'd strongly recommend you make a polysyrene block with the n900 in the middle, and just enough cut away to clear the lens |
| 09:30.17 | Gear_ | I might use some high density foam or something, if it's too big the n900 will be blown by the wind and won't be looking at the ground |
| 09:31.06 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a frame? |
| 09:31.11 | SpeedEvil | Or is it totally tensioned? |
| 09:32.01 | Gear_ | I haven't made the kite yet but I think it'll use the same setup as they use with kite aerial photogrpahy |
| 09:33.06 | Gear_ | it hangs from the line |
| 09:33.56 | Gear_ | another cool thing would actually BE kite aerial photography, so far the video feed I have going with gstreamer is at 320x240 and looks really fucking bad |
| 09:35.10 | Gear_ | it's over wifi, I connect the phone using the netbook as an AP and it's like a streaming web feed, I'm looking at it with VLC player |
| 09:35.22 | Gear_ | (I started learning linux about 4 weeks ago) |
| 09:37.40 | Gear_ | 320x240 was the best I could actually get to work :/ |
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| 09:40.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 09:45.08 | Gear_ | there's clearly room for serious improvement, but I also want to be able to say "I did this myself", instead of "I used something that a bunch of other people figured out and just connected my phone to the kite" |
| 09:45.48 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough |
| 09:47.17 | edheldil | Gear_: sounds like a fun project :) |
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| 09:47.50 | SpeedEvil | needs to get on with some fun stuff. |
| 09:48.02 | Gear_ | arg |
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| 09:50.56 | Gear_ | so just powering a servo from USB is one way of doing it |
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| 09:53.30 | Gear_ | when I turn on usb mode, it'll make the servo go... I assume in one direction? how could I control the servo more? or how could I use USB host mode as more of an on/off switch so I could just use a relay and then build the rest of it however I want |
| 09:55.42 | SpeedEvil | It would just be on/off |
| 09:55.51 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could plug in a USB servo controller |
| 09:55.56 | Gear_ | so I turn usb host mode on, then turn it off again? |
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| 09:56.12 | Gear_ | I dont' want to buy one of those |
| 09:56.50 | SpeedEvil | yes, it's just a 5V switchable signal |
| 09:58.05 | Gear_ | I know next to nothing about linux but I assume that using ssh, I could just run a script that turned on usb host mode for like one second then turned it off again? |
| 09:58.27 | Gear_ | or 500ms or something |
| 10:00.55 | Gear_ | I was waiting for some crappy usb host adapters to arrive so I could plug a normal usb plug into those and go from there, but now I should probably just cut up any old cable and use the signal directly from that |
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| 10:02.30 | Gear_ | how woudl I turn hostmode on for about 500ms then off again? |
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| 10:44.01 | Gear_ | did anyone answer the question I had, I'm using some webchat thing and it disconnected |
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| 11:06.19 | dhbiker | hi there |
| 11:06.46 | dhbiker | i'll ask again... is there any problem with updating ALSA on N900 ? |
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| 13:11.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/video/braindead-teen-only-capable-of-rolling-eyes-and-te,27225/ - on facebook |
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| 13:25.11 | Macer | heh |
| 13:28.27 | Gear_ | hey how can you put a timer in a script |
| 13:28.58 | Gear_ | like start a program, wait x seconds then stop it |
| 13:30.09 | e0x | bash script ? |
| 13:30.34 | Gear_ | yeah I think so |
| 13:30.41 | Gear_ | like x terminal |
| 13:30.44 | e0x | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1226094/how-to-include-a-timer-in-bash-scripting |
| 13:30.52 | Gear_ | I started learning linux a few weeks ago |
| 13:34.49 | Gear_ | I think that's a bit beyond what I know so far, I just want to start usb host mode, wait a second at MOST then stop it |
| 13:35.38 | Gear_ | someone is asking how to make a script that checks for an internet connection every hour |
| 13:36.05 | Gear_ | what do I take from that to "run program, wait 500ms then stop that program" |
| 13:36.37 | Gear_ | or even 1 second if it really has to be |
| 13:39.46 | e0x | you can take the same concept and apply to you scenario |
| 13:40.37 | e0x | Gear_: anyway you can use |
| 13:40.41 | e0x | the command sleep |
| 13:41.19 | e0x | example : sleep 10 | cd / ; will wait for 10 seconds and do cd to / |
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| 13:42.25 | Gear_ | so "whatever | sleep 1 | whatever else" |
| 13:42.40 | Gear_ | will do whatever, wait one second, then do whatever else |
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| 16:56.35 | penguinbait | http://cooklikeyourgrandmother.com/2010/08/bacon-turtle-power/ |
| 16:56.46 | penguinbait | miss you lcuk :( |
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| 17:11.45 | trumee | does anybody know why 'umount' is not need in PCSuite on windows? |
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| 17:12.43 | trumee | ofcourse while accessing the drive via PCSuite mode rather than mass storage. |
| 17:14.06 | Sicelo | ask yourself why umount is needed in the first place .. buffers.. prolly pcsuite doesn't wait.. just immediately performs the data transfer needed |
| 17:14.55 | trumee | Sicelo, could be an explanation |
| 17:14.59 | Sicelo | just my guess though |
| 17:15.03 | Sicelo | :) |
| 17:15.07 | trumee | ~ping |
| 17:15.07 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 17:16.05 | trumee | Sicelo, windows doesnt even show up an option to safely umount. |
| 17:16.05 | Sicelo | hasn't used pc suite since 2010 |
| 17:16.07 | trumee | makes me scared. |
| 17:17.10 | Sicelo | lol, there's Safely Remove Hardware on the taskbar next to clock (of course, not pcsuite) :P |
| 17:18.50 | trumee | Sicelo, never noticed that. will check it next time. |
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| 17:19.55 | Sicelo | come to think of it .. say u are accessing your N900 file system via ssh .. there's no mechanism to 'safely unmount' if connection breaks suddenly.. not sure if that could damage anything though |
| 17:20.46 | Sicelo | trumee: that's for Mas Storage mode only though.. |
| 17:21.20 | trumee | Sicelo, ok doesn't matter then |
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| 19:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | e0x: sorry, | pipe char isn't used with sleep |
| 19:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | as sleep doesn't read from stdin |
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| 19:28.10 | e0x | oh |
| 19:28.54 | e0x | sleep 10 && something ? |
| 19:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | more like it |
| 19:29.49 | DocScrutinizer | but that's an "if a then b", you'll not want to check if sleep was ok, so why not simply whatever; sleep 5; whatelse; |
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| 19:30.02 | e0x | ok |
| 19:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | mkdir foo && echo bla >foo/bar |
| 19:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | ls | wc |
| 19:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | mkdir foo || echo "mkdir failed!" |
| 19:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | which is a short form of `if ! mkdir foo; then echo "mkdir failed!" ` |
| 19:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | which is a short form of `if ! mkdir foo; then echo "mkdir failed!; fi" ` |
| 19:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | scratch first one |
| 19:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | if mkdir foo; then echo bla > foo/bar; fi |
| 19:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | which again could get more verbose: ` mkdir foo: if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then echo bla > foo/bar; fi |
| 19:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | s/:/;/ |
| 19:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/ foo: / foo; / |
| 19:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 19:37.51 | infobot | Since Fri Feb 3 08:40:52 2012, there have been 13 modifications, 144 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 74 commands. I have been awake for 3d 10h 56m 59s this session, and currently reference 118373 factoids. I'm using about 22460 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 28238.36/1245.81 child 0/0 |
| 19:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok, scratch that again |
| 19:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | which again could get more verbose: ` mkdir foo; if [ 0 -eq $? ]; then echo bla > foo/bar; fi |
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| 19:58.48 | vi__ | HELLO |
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| 20:01.37 | vi__ | ruskie: !!! |
| 20:01.48 | vi__ | ruskie: you are a smart linuxy chap. |
| 20:01.58 | vi__ | riddle me this... |
| 20:03.11 | vi__ | hello? |
| 20:03.16 | ruskie | still waiting |
| 20:03.17 | ruskie | heh |
| 20:03.21 | vi__ | !! |
| 20:03.46 | vi__ | assuming I have 2 headsets connected to 2 audio devices on the same computer... |
| 20:03.59 | vi__ | can I make them talk to each other like an intercom? |
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| 20:04.09 | vi__ | full duplex |
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| 20:06.53 | vi__ | is that a thing I would have to do with pulse audio? |
| 20:07.01 | vi__ | where else can I ask? |
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| 20:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh, use alsa |
| 20:12.20 | vi__ | alsa, pulseaudio...im easy |
| 20:12.36 | vi__ | can I pair 2 bluetooth devices to my n900 at a time? |
| 20:12.44 | vi__ | I.e. 2 headsets. |
| 20:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | simple form: (arecord -D hs1|aplay -D hs2 )&; (arecord -D hs2|aplay -D hs1 )&; |
| 20:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | no, not to same BT transceiver/dongle |
| 20:13.42 | vi__ | gst-launch pulsesrc ! pulsesink |
| 20:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | (alsa) you may want to learn about alsaloop |
| 20:13.57 | vi__ | mmm |
| 20:14.23 | vi__ | perhaps I could use the wired headset for one person, a bluetooth headset for the other? |
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| 20:17.53 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: What about a BT dongle on USB hostmode. 2 Headsets attached. |
| 20:18.07 | vi__ | Do they just present themselves as mics+speakers to the OS? |
| 20:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, I guess as bt headset |
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| 21:23.00 | badcloud | is there a way to get hardware alt-key to work in bash? |
| 21:24.30 | mgedmin | hardware alt key? |
| 21:24.50 | badcloud | aka blue-arrow key |
| 21:24.55 | mgedmin | it's not alt, it's fn |
| 21:25.01 | badcloud | oh, right |
| 21:25.04 | mgedmin | mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift, IIRC |
| 21:25.31 | mgedmin | generally to get alt+letter in bash you press Esc then the letter |
| 21:25.41 | mgedmin | esc is on the toolbar, IIRC |
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| 21:26.01 | badcloud | mgedmin: nice, thanks |
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| 22:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I'd be interested in how to get e.g. alt on toolbar |
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| 22:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | seem you can put any arbitrary key there, except qualifier keys other than ctrl |
| 22:01.21 | mgedmin | on a n9? no clue |
| 22:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | which is especially silly as ctrl is available on hw kbd |
| 22:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | on N900/N810 |
| 22:01.44 | mgedmin | sorry, I meant n900 |
| 22:02.02 | mgedmin | on the n9 it's possible, I believe -- maliit is more advanced than the old osso-xterm toolbar |
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