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| 02:26.17 | Gear_ | does anyone use playstation emulator? |
| 02:26.35 | Gear_ | I'm wondering if it's necessary to overclock in order to play games |
| 02:27.21 | Sazpaimon | Gear_, most games, yes |
| 02:27.53 | Sazpaimon | some games play okay on stock clock if you use gpu acceleration |
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| 05:41.31 | newbie007 | Hi, I'm creating a desktop widget using example-desktop-widget as an example. Can I get some help? My problem is that when I compile not everything is linked. I've included another library to preform a curl request |
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| 05:42.20 | newbie007 | I tried running ./autogen.sh and also ./configure.. |
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| 06:30.38 | newbie007 | winokia really killed maemo huh :( |
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| 06:52.01 | Macer | hah |
| 06:52.08 | Macer | nokia killed maemo years ago |
| 06:52.27 | Macer | it still kicks ass tho |
| 06:52.36 | Macer | personally i still haven't found a better distro of linux for a mobile device |
| 06:56.02 | newbie007 | it is the best bar-none |
| 06:56.14 | newbie007 | hildon desktop would kick android's ass given a chance |
| 06:57.04 | newbie007 | there is a project trying to bring it to market, unfortunatly they are trying to bundle it with a tablet device instead of replacing the OS entierly |
| 07:17.40 | Macer | well |
| 07:17.47 | Macer | if hildon was open maybe |
| 07:17.51 | Macer | but nokia kept too much of it closed |
| 07:20.36 | newbie007 | yeah nokia screwed the pooch, had I worked for nokia at the time that they went with windows (or even meego) I would have exposed the code |
| 07:20.52 | Macer | i'm actually surprised a nokia dev didn't do that :) |
| 07:20.54 | Macer | heh |
| 07:21.04 | Macer | since i'm sure eventually they were fired anyways |
| 07:21.16 | Macer | in favor for ms |
| 07:22.02 | newbie007 | I think the real threat is that a cell phone really isn't that different from a walkie-talkie the difference being that one is basically free and the other has huge corporations behind it |
| 07:22.31 | newbie007 | google can be trusted, meanwhile they are locking down their phone to the point that there is no off-switch |
| 07:22.43 | newbie007 | (trusted by big-corp) |
| 07:24.41 | newbie007 | the next big thing in cell phone technology will be a peer to peer communication network outside of the billing of big-corp, this cannot be allowed |
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| 07:28.56 | newbie007 | figured out my compile issue |
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| 09:12.12 | trumee | _freemangordon, ping |
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| 10:26.43 | Pali | maemo.org is down |
| 10:27.04 | dole | same here |
| 10:27.42 | _freemangordon | WFM |
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| 14:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: nothing new |
| 14:18.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, what should be new? |
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| 14:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | everything should be new and exciting, but actually maemo.org down isn't that much |
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| 14:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | btw not actually down but just dead slow |
| 14:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | so most likely some timeout will kick in before page got loaded |
| 14:20.38 | Pali | now is maemo.org working |
| 14:20.46 | Pali | before Error 503 |
| 14:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, there were times where this been "normal weekend operation mode" of maemo.org |
| 14:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously it's best practice to push all the fishy updates and service packs 30min before everybody leaves for weekend, better yet: for xmas holiday |
| 14:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | always been like this |
| 14:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | I never got the point in doing this - if I were to manage that bunch of admins/devels/<whatever> I'd have announced a mega big NOGO for *any* infra updates/mods on Fridays |
| 14:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | and if you pushed an update on Thursday that *requires* a fix on Friday, your weekend is moot - stay at office watch the shit hit the fan, and goddam FIX it in time |
| 14:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia however never got the feeling they should be too concerned about an occasional few days abysmal user experience on their web appearance |
| 14:28.40 | Pali | elinks working fine... |
| 14:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | e-what? |
| 14:29.00 | Pali | only firefox, chromium, konqeror is too slow :D |
| 14:29.12 | Pali | elinks - web browser |
| 14:29.29 | Pali | http://elinks.cz/ |
| 14:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, maybe eventually I'll google that |
| 14:30.19 | Pali | elinks is the best (text) browser |
| 14:31.07 | Pali | sudo apt-get install elinks (on debian/ubuntu) |
| 14:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you might have a point there, quite usually it's their "media content" I.E. pictures, icons, CSS, whatnot, that's fsckdup when sth breaks |
| 14:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | and sorry, no buntkuh crap here :-D |
| 14:32.29 | Pali | elinks support some parts of CSS |
| 14:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | RPM based system with proper sysV init |
| 14:33.08 | Pali | it could have also packaged elinks |
| 14:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | no gnome abomination either |
| 14:34.54 | mgedmin | pictures DocScrutinizer compiling kernels by hand in some hermit cave high in the mountains |
| 14:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | and GODDAMN I wish I could say "no lennart crap at all" |
| 14:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~SLES |
| 14:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki SLES |
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| 14:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, actually I run my own distro, regarding all the "personalizations" I did, but it's kinda "riped OpenSuse" |
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| 14:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | actually considering 'rebase' to some RPM based LTS commercial distro |
| 14:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe even centOS etc |
| 14:41.43 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, centOS is very poor for desktop experience |
| 14:42.03 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, atleast the previous version was. |
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| 14:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'm the sole responsible for my user experience |
| 14:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | it's just a question of how much work I'm willing to spend for administration of my system, and for which aspects thereof |
| 14:44.05 | trumee | opensuse is good in that respect. |
| 14:44.22 | trumee | however, gentoo works best for me. |
| 14:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | I admit the concept of gentoo where it came from is a tad *too* radical for me |
| 14:45.55 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, did you looked at my bq2415x kernel driver? |
| 14:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: nope |
| 14:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 14:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | I've read about the Q and A though, and they made me think you're on a good way |
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| 14:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | for me what counts is: driver exposes a comprehensive set of methods to control each aspect of the chip in the most finegrained way, while still getting some abstract concepts to do things in a more convenient way. And then again, please no layering violations by implementing USB specific things like query for fastcharger or invoking ENUM from a kernel hw driver for a charger chip |
| 14:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | seems you got all that sorted |
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| 14:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | the comment about "you better use that powersupply driver (API?)" is off topic to me, as the bq24150 is no powersupply, except maybe for boostmode and consumer USB peripherals |
| 14:55.13 | Pali | ok |
| 14:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | (maemo.org dead) yeah, after 10 minutes of loading, I see the very familiar image-less fsckdup rendering of plain text on http://maemo.org |
| 14:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | so it's quite obvious why your elink works :-D |
| 14:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's CSS that's borked in such a case (though no HTML expert here) |
| 14:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, the images are on static.maemo.org? that's the one to be down then maybe? |
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| 15:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/maemo.jpg seems down |
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| 15:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, "block images from static.maemo.org" makes the page maemo.org load with normal speed |
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| 15:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | while "normal" display/rendering of http://maemo.org tries to chainload a truckload from static.maemo.org and each of those http-gets has to time out prior to your page finally displaying any content - that can take ages, depending on your local connection settings like server-connection-timeout etc |
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| 15:26.15 | fw190 | hello |
| 15:26.21 | fw190 | got a small problem |
| 15:26.39 | fw190 | had some serius battery drain with latest kp49 and had to reflash |
| 15:26.54 | fw190 | now I'm unable to install kernel-power-settings |
| 15:27.01 | fw190 | any hints? |
| 15:29.30 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, hildon app manager by default breaking apt locks... |
| 15:29.42 | Pali | it is correct? |
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| 15:31.48 | strangr | i get the error while trying to build for release using qt creator |
| 15:31.49 | strangr | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /opt/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/libgdigicam-0.3.so.0 |
| 15:32.07 | strangr | how do add the dependency information for gdigicam |
| 15:32.21 | strangr | i already have it installed in my sysroot... |
| 15:32.24 | strangr | plz help |
| 15:35.59 | strangr | someone help |
| 15:42.14 | Pali | gitorious is down too |
| 15:42.37 | Pali | bad day: maemo.org and gitorious.org not working... |
| 15:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: sorry? |
| 15:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: HAM ignoring apt's lockfile? |
| 15:47.37 | Pali | seems yes |
| 15:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | it shouldn't |
| 15:47.54 | Pali | can you test if it is true? |
| 15:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | though it's a rather niche case |
| 15:48.53 | strangr | yeah it is |
| 15:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, kinda annoying to test, as you'd have to make sure apt doesn't remove the lockfile "too early" |
| 15:49.02 | Pali | break_locks: Setting this to true will break the lock of the dpkg status database if necessary. |
| 15:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | maybe meant to recover from previous aborts |
| 15:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'd rather not touch it |
| 15:51.11 | Pali | it really unlink() lock file and then lock it |
| 15:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | scenario: your device reboots during apt trying to do arbitrary stuff that sets lockfile. After that you'll face a HAM that's not working until you manually remove apt's lockfile, or start up apt manually again so it would take care about the stale lockfile itself |
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| 15:53.50 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, but after reboot unix lock on that file will not be set |
| 15:54.11 | Pali | so apt-worker can set lock on that file |
| 15:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's not the point, the file itself lingers on |
| 15:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | no, it doesn't work that way afaik |
| 15:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | apps check if file exists, not if it's locked |
| 15:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | HAM couldn't unlink() the lockfile if there's been any flock set on it, I suppose - though iirc on linux flock is 'cooperative' so HAM had to check if there's any flock set, otherwise it wouldn't even notice there is and could happily unlink it nevertheless |
| 15:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | the "semaphore" is not the flock on the file, but the mere existence of the lockfile itself |
| 15:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's why you prefer to have all those lockfiles on a ramdisk |
| 15:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | as that ramdisk for sure gets cleaned on reboot |
| 16:01.19 | Pali | it using apt lock which is use fcntl(FD,F_SETLK,&fl) |
| 16:02.55 | Pali | and: struct flock fl; fl.l_type = F_WRLCK; fl.l_whence = SEEK_SET; fl.l_start = 0; fl.l_len = 0; |
| 16:04.17 | Pali | so HAM checking if fcntl return != 1 |
| 16:04.47 | Pali | and if problem, ham unlink file, create it again and call that fcntl |
| 16:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, it seemed to work just fine so far, so my advice: don't touch it |
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| 17:37.20 | OldBear | Is there an IRC channel or blog where Nokia N810 users hang out? |
| 17:40.08 | ShadowJK | this was it before n900 drowned it out :) |
| 17:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | OldBear: you'll find the highest density of N810 owners here in this very channel |
| 17:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | seems to recall a N810 subsection on tmo... |
| 17:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | pets his N810 |
| 17:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | pets his other N810 |
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| 17:43.06 | ShadowJK | 's N800, N810, N900 and N900 are powered on :) |
| 17:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | pets his both N900 |
| 17:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | glares at that other crap that pretends to run maemo |
| 17:44.11 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 17:44.21 | ShadowJK | no love for n950? |
| 17:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 17:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | semi nice hw (modulo the c-ts I never will have any love for), but an unbearable abomination of OS |
| 17:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | no uSD slot? |
| 17:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
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| 17:45.51 | OldBear | I just acquired the N810 because I wanted a WiFi only device to use when travelling for email, IM and Skype. |
| 17:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | for sure a decision you'll not regret |
| 17:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | I used N810 for IRC almost exclusively, for almost 2 years |
| 17:47.14 | ShadowJK | Was standing outdoors queueuing for burgers yesterday, took out my N900 to check stove and airtemp at home, and the guy next to me was like "how do you do that, mine doesn't work!?", he had some c-ts htc device, I told him to take off his gloves, and it worked like half a minute |
| 17:47.35 | ShadowJK | then his frozen finger wasnt registered anymore |
| 17:47.35 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 17:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, c-ts is awesome, isn't it? |
| 17:48.32 | ShadowJK | I notice the c-touchpad on my netbook doesn't register my finger unless I blow on my finger first |
| 17:49.20 | OldBear | As my grandmother used to quote: "Cold hands, warm heart" |
| 17:51.06 | Macer | heh |
| 17:51.22 | ShadowJK | I always had my N810 switch to 3g (via bluetooth via my cellphone) when outside wifi back before i had N900 |
| 17:52.24 | Macer | has anybody here tried meego on the n900 lately? |
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| 18:13.50 | shanttu | is there a permanent fix for a bluetooth headset with n900? on 75% attempts to use it, it disconnects after less than a minute |
| 18:16.57 | trumee | shanttu: what kernel are you running? |
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| 18:46.17 | shanttu | trumee, kp49 |
| 18:47.18 | trumee | shanttu: kp49 is buggy for some headsets. Pre50 will have patch to fix that |
| 18:48.05 | trumee | shanttu: best to stick with stock until 50 hits the repos, or roll your own kernel without the bt-mice patch |
| 18:48.12 | shanttu | trumee, excellent. thanks for the info. |
| 18:48.46 | shanttu | trumee, not in a rush. just wanted to know what could be worng and glad to hear it's known |
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| 18:52.25 | trumee | shanttu: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1158491&postcount=2676 |
| 19:01.45 | shanttu | trumee, thanks |
| 19:01.53 | trumee | shanttu: np |
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| 20:53.31 | xbox_gamer | hai there guys |
| 20:53.40 | xbox_gamer | (and girls if any ) |
| 20:53.41 | xbox_gamer | :P |
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| 20:57.52 | xbox_gamer | ced117 ? from #libxenon ? :P |
| 20:59.09 | ced117 | nop xbox_gamer :-) |
| 21:00.10 | xbox_gamer | oops sorry |
| 21:00.11 | xbox_gamer | :/ |
| 21:00.45 | Aloof_Jezzster | funny |
| 21:01.02 | xbox_gamer | he has almost the same nick as that guy |
| 21:01.04 | xbox_gamer | -.- |
| 21:01.12 | Aloof_Jezzster | Pure Geeks Nokia finest |
| 21:01.21 | ced117 | no problem :-) |
| 21:02.05 | xbox_gamer | i was wondering why noone has attempted to update alsa on N900 :P |
| 21:04.01 | xbox_gamer | because last month there was a new release... 1.0.25 |
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| 21:05.12 | xbox_gamer | SmilyOrg: pozdravlen :P |
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