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| 06:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 06:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | BRRRRRRR |
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| 06:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: mgedmin: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2012/02/01/4 |
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| 08:53.27 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: look at LKPR :) |
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| 11:14.07 | Gear_ | hey |
| 11:14.34 | Gear_ | is this channel still primarily n900 related? |
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| 11:18.02 | Gear__ | hello |
| 11:18.53 | Gear__ | how can I find a list of supported HID devices by H-E-N |
| 11:19.59 | Gear__ | n900 usb host mode |
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| 11:23.09 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/02/windows_phone_get_going/ |
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| 11:30.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | edheldil: what's (on) LKPR? |
| 11:33.16 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/02/02/concept_bamboo_smartphone_adzero_in_production/ <-- hmm |
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| 12:24.57 | Wizzup | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatprima toch |
| 12:25.00 | Wizzup | er |
| 12:25.01 | Wizzup | lag. |
| 12:25.07 | Wizzup | runs |
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| 12:33.33 | merlin1991 | Wizzup: wtf was that? |
| 12:34.44 | Wizzup | merlin1991: Well, lag. I obviously wanted to send it to another channel |
| 12:35.15 | Wizzup | I think I was pressing super + a instead of alt + a |
| 12:35.27 | Wizzup | I was in XOFF mode, so I didn't see what I was typing due to extremely slow connection |
| 12:35.38 | merlin1991 | ah irssi :D |
| 12:35.40 | Wizzup | When I used XON again, I saw I had send it to the wrong channel |
| 12:35.41 | Wizzup | yes |
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| 12:36.30 | merlin1991 | quassel ftw ;) |
| 12:36.55 | Wizzup | Well, I'm on windows atm due to uni machines only having windows in this room |
| 12:36.58 | Wizzup | so putty works |
| 12:40.54 | merlin1991 | quassel works on win too ;) |
| 12:41.28 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: even more degrees below zero than EDDN. But never mind |
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| 15:19.21 | staz | is the ssh server down? why I tried to upload via scp I get a Connect to host drop.maemo.org port 22 : Connection timed out |
| 15:22.09 | staz | and I get a click in the contact view, |
| 15:22.17 | staz | erm |
| 15:22.43 | staz | I get a "scp returned a nonzero exit code" almost immediatly when I use dput |
| 15:23.11 | staz | it's my first upload so maybe I did something wrong |
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| 16:37.19 | vi___ | Hello |
| 16:37.33 | vi___ | is it possible to connect 2 bluetooth headsets to the n900 at once? |
| 16:37.44 | vi___ | Then route audio from one headset to the other? |
| 16:39.42 | kerio | well, there's definetely enough bandwidth to do so, for one way |
| 16:39.46 | kerio | not sure about two-way though |
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| 17:09.20 | timeless | kerio: can the n900 do a2dp? (as the client not host) |
| 17:09.52 | kerio | timeless: well, it has bluetooth :) |
| 17:10.55 | timeless | yeah.. |
| 17:15.57 | kerio | timeless: so... write a program to do so? :D |
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| 17:22.50 | kerio | timeless: not sure if you can do something with pulseaudio to do that automagically |
| 17:22.52 | kerio | probably not |
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| 17:23.43 | kerio | is there enough bandwidth to transmit a2dp-like stereo *and* a mono mic through bluetooth? |
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| 17:29.15 | tank-man | kerio, i believe so, i can do it with my mw600, bluetooth headset |
| 17:29.25 | tank-man | http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mw600?lc=en&cc=gb |
| 17:29.32 | kerio | is that a particular sony thing? |
| 17:29.46 | kerio | i meant at the same time, mind you |
| 17:29.46 | tank-man | no, it is bluetooth |
| 17:30.52 | tank-man | like listening to music and talking at same time? |
| 17:30.57 | kerio | yeah |
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| 17:31.22 | tank-man | my music app auto pauses when incomming call |
| 17:31.34 | tank-man | dont know |
| 17:31.44 | kerio | tank-man: well, that's not at the same time, is it |
| 17:31.54 | kerio | it just switches from a2dp to hsp or hfp |
| 17:32.37 | Gear_ | hey there's a linux app for this keychain "photoframe" that turns it into an external display |
| 17:33.03 | Gear_ | I was wondering if it'd compile with the n900 kernel and work with usb |
| 17:34.11 | dRbiG | hello... i've managed to rip off the usb socket along with traces, does anyone have any idea if there are any other points on the board where i can access usb traces?... |
| 17:34.44 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 17:35.05 | Gear_ | to his question or mine |
| 17:35.05 | SpeedEvil | There is a page on it - perhaps on the wiki - maybe TMO, with solderpoints |
| 17:35.18 | Gear_ | http://spritesmods.com/?art=picframe |
| 17:35.20 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, I'm aFK at the moment |
| 17:35.33 | tank-man | kerio, yea, i cant |
| 17:35.34 | Gear_ | any chance this could work? |
| 17:35.40 | dRbiG | SpeedEvil: thank you, i'll google and try to find it |
| 17:35.49 | kerio | tank-man: it's not possible with any consumer hardware, i think |
| 17:35.55 | dRbiG | it so sad to have a perfectly working n900 without the ability to charge the battery... |
| 17:36.03 | kerio | i was talking about the possibility to do so |
| 17:36.14 | kerio | dRbiG: buy an external battery charger, in the meantime |
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| 17:36.22 | Gear_ | dRbiG there are external... what he said |
| 17:36.34 | Gear_ | like 10 bucks max |
| 17:36.46 | kerio | try not to use them for a long period though |
| 17:37.04 | kerio | they're chinese crap, they'll seriously eat your battery |
| 17:37.35 | kerio | says, while looking at his crappy chinese battery charger he's been using for more than a year and a half now |
| 17:37.40 | Gear_ | mine doesn't quite charge the battery full but I got it as an emergency thing and it has USB ports |
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| 17:38.30 | Gear_ | my 2nd n900 should come in the mail tomorrow |
| 17:38.39 | Gear_ | what's something cool to do with 2 of them |
| 17:39.36 | Gear_ | (apart from locking one in a moisture proof place for the possibility of the first one breaking badly) |
| 17:39.53 | kerio | Gear_: you could send it to me! |
| 17:40.09 | Gear_ | I'd rather use them as video walkie talkies using gstreamer |
| 17:40.32 | Gear_ | or just dedicate one to an internet tablet and the new one as my actual phone |
| 17:41.38 | Gear_ | for something that's got pretty awesome hardware there is ONE "music production" app, and it's a port of milkytracker from the fricken amiga |
| 17:42.34 | Gear_ | unless there are some repositories I'm missing out on, I can't find anything audio/music related |
| 17:42.52 | kerio | Gear_: PA sucks enough when you're just playing sound you already have |
| 17:42.58 | kerio | and you want to actually *make* more? |
| 17:43.20 | Gear_ | yeah I'm very sure. I've been doing it on a nintendo DS so far |
| 17:43.44 | Gear_ | (another tracker program) |
| 17:44.37 | Gear_ | there's some live stuff and I've made some hardware for the ds but there's a goddamn appaling lack of anything audio related for the n900 |
| 17:44.43 | Gear_ | something I thought people would be all over |
| 17:46.13 | nicofs | Does anyone know something about issues using JoikuSpot and encrypted WLAN? |
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| 18:56.43 | staz | how do you modify who is the maintainer of a package? |
| 18:58.37 | Robot101 | in Debian, upload with a new Maintainer: field in debian/control |
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| 19:19.19 | Estel_ | Hi there, Maemo. |
| 19:20.16 | Estel_ | Little question from developing noob - how to easily make .sh script reading certain values from config file (user-editable) |
| 19:21.08 | Estel_ | define some values as 'value=$cat config_file | grep blabla', or what? |
| 19:22.14 | Estel_ | the thing is, that I've prepared some scripts for next TrueCrypt release - automating "switching" to encrypted swap when needed, and going back to regular swap afterwards |
| 19:23.03 | Estel_ | Now, I would like to allow users define their swap and encrypted partitions locations via easy editable text file, instead of pointing them to edit sctipt itself |
| 19:23.42 | Estel_ | nooby question, I suppos, but any hints on 'proper' approach appreciated :) |
| 19:24.25 | Estel_ | BTW, SpeedEvil, some time ago You've told me about certain ext4 value, desined to help in case of flash device. wide-something, related to our block writing |
| 19:24.41 | SpeedEvil | Don't think I did |
| 19:24.41 | Estel_ | I can't seem to find it, could You please tell me again how it was called? |
| 19:24.59 | Estel_ | oh, sorry, it seems that my memory fades :/ |
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| 19:33.54 | RzR | hi |
| 19:34.18 | RzR | is navicore still usable ? or they killed it ? |
| 19:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: might have been ShadowJK |
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| 19:40.24 | Gear_ | is there a way to find the devices supported by H-E-N ? |
| 19:40.27 | NIN102 | Estel_: hell-builtin "source" is what you are looking for I think. |
| 19:40.38 | NIN102 | s/hell-builtin/shell-builtin |
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| 19:46.02 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks, will help in log searchs, or I'll just ask him in case of failure |
| 19:46.13 | Estel_ | NIN102, thanks, will google about this function |
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| 19:48.36 | Estel_ | NIN102, source seems to load file and execute commands from it |
| 19:48.49 | NIN102 | and you can define your variables... |
| 19:48.54 | Estel_ | how could it also parse config-like files, and get variables from it? |
| 19:49.19 | NIN102 | foo=bar? |
| 19:49.22 | Estel_ | yea, but config file should be user friendly. Of course, I can put blabla=$blabla1 there |
| 19:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | NIN102: nope |
| 19:49.37 | Estel_ | well, doesn't sound bad |
| 19:49.37 | NIN102 | and why not? |
| 19:49.58 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, please continue? |
| 19:50.19 | NIN102 | DocScrutinizer: why "nope"? |
| 19:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC it was sth along fs-driver parameters for ext4 on flash, like erasepage-width=2048 |
| 19:51.00 | NIN102 | we were talking about config variables for shellscripts |
| 19:51.01 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks. It's about diferrent topic, yet still thanks :) |
| 19:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I missed a topic jump |
| 19:52.04 | Estel_ | We're multitasking a little ;) |
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| 19:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | Gear_: list what? |
| 19:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | find devices supported by h-e-n? |
| 19:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | what do you mean? |
| 19:54.15 | Estel_ | probably, he mean things, that we have modules/drivers for, or at least, linux have, and we can use them on Maemo ;) |
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| 19:54.25 | Estel_ | i.e. "let me google that for You" |
| 19:54.26 | RzR | j #nbada |
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| 19:55.27 | Estel_ | so, Gear_ , the answer is "H-E-N" support every device, that is USB compatible - it can enumerate it. Further support is not related to HEN |
| 19:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 19:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | except some gadgets that need isochronous mode on USB, maemo usb kernel driver doesn't support that |
| 19:57.20 | Gear_ | HEN had a kernel that came with it |
| 19:57.23 | Gear_ | but not anymore |
| 19:57.33 | Gear_ | so if a device needs a driver what do I do? |
| 19:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, we joined the hostmode patches to powerkernel |
| 19:58.13 | Gear_ | awesome |
| 19:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | and if you need a driver that'S not readily available for powerkernel, you build it - for powerkernel :-) |
| 19:58.49 | Gear_ | I don't know how to do that. |
| 19:59.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, for sake of curiosity, what kind of devices need isochronous mode on USB? |
| 19:59.27 | Estel_ | gadgets, I mean. USB gadgets. |
| 19:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | then you drop by here and ask if some nice soul would do that for you, e.g pali or freemangordon or MohammadAG or ... |
| 19:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: some webcams |
| 20:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | some low latency audiocards |
| 20:00.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not too sure about particular devices that use isochronous mode |
| 20:01.23 | Estel_ | I see. quasi-realtime, without ensuring that no data will be lost |
| 20:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | probably most will fall back to a more common (bulk?) mode when iso isn't available |
| 20:01.55 | Gear_ | are game controllers east to get working |
| 20:01.57 | Estel_ | where guaranteed data rate is more important than ensuring no data loss. |
| 20:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: yep |
| 20:02.17 | Gear_ | I'm wating for a host mode cable before I can actually try this |
| 20:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | Gear_: game controllers should be utterly easy to get working |
| 20:02.49 | Estel_ | Gear_, I created my hostmode cable myself. Even incorporated twisted-pair and shielding/screening ;) |
| 20:03.26 | Gear_ | I don't really have anything to cut up so I got a couple of host mode cables off ebay |
| 20:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | not recommended - though GOD I've seen adapters soooo bad |
| 20:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | this friggin thing that swapped GND and VBUS :-o |
| 20:04.24 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, my adapter went bad, so I just dissasembled it (it was assembled "once for all", so ĩ've torn it apart" is more true", then used only ports |
| 20:04.31 | Estel_ | lol |
| 20:05.12 | Gear_ | the n8X0 cables should work though? |
| 20:05.15 | Estel_ | well, most things that You can buy, even when not screwed, doesn't have port case connected to ground |
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| 20:05.36 | Estel_ | so, there is only screening at best, not shielding |
| 20:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | the guy who purchased that one was actually lucky he didn't fry a single of his gadgets he tried to get working on N900 |
| 20:06.07 | Estel_ | like the guy, who tried to use wire-only USB o LAN adapter? |
| 20:06.18 | Estel_ | as LAN-to-USB gadget? |
| 20:06.42 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, another nice one, YEAH |
| 20:06.44 | Estel_ | he was lucky, that he didn't connected it to line with 50V, or so |
| 20:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | "no boy, this is NOT an 'adapter'!" |
| 20:07.43 | Estel_ | blame english language with many meanings for single world. Actually, it *adapts* plugs ;) |
| 20:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, I have to say RJ45 are used for a mindboggling lot of usecases |
| 20:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | glares at his flashing mount |
| 20:08.22 | Gear_ | where are you guys from? |
| 20:08.22 | Estel_ | hah. |
| 20:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'm bastard operator from hell |
| 20:08.43 | Estel_ | I'm not dating on Maemo IRC, sorry. |
| 20:09.15 | NIN102 | why not? the idea is kinda funny (assuming there girls in here :P) |
| 20:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | actually this feels like a special hell right now: |
| 20:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 20:09.45 | Estel_ | seriously though, Poland. May I aks why You ask? BTW, we're not so scarry, as it seems from last messags |
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| 20:10.10 | Estel_ | o f... infobot got weather? DocScrutinizer, You could tell me that instead of onjoin ;) |
| 20:10.30 | Estel_ | is there any way to make it auto-show weather data when certain individual connects? |
| 20:10.33 | Estel_ | Joking. |
| 20:10.50 | Estel_ | ~weather Posen |
| 20:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | OMG I told estel about infobot weather, now the climate here will be fsckd forever ;-P |
| 20:11.00 | Estel_ | thanks a lot... |
| 20:11.22 | Estel_ | expect ice age ;) |
| 20:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help weather |
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| 20:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 20:12.25 | Gear__ | I hate this router |
| 20:12.49 | Estel_ | ~weather Poznań |
| 20:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather exds |
| 20:13.11 | Estel_ | oh, thanks |
| 20:13.24 | Gear_ | I asked because it seemed english wasn't your first language |
| 20:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I'm using an acquired accent on IRC, to fool users |
| 20:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 20:14.29 | Estel_ | ~weather EPPO |
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| 20:16.00 | Estel_ | BTW, last few days I got troubles connecting to freenode. Seriously, I though that You've had something to do with it, DocScrutinizer ;) |
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| 20:25.25 | merlin1991 | wtf |
| 20:25.48 | merlin1991 | according to the list we have like a lot of stations in austria, but not a single one in vienna |
| 20:26.11 | merlin1991 | fsckd localization |
| 20:26.18 | merlin1991 | list is in german and I didn't notice :P |
| 20:27.47 | Gear_ | any in australia |
| 20:28.13 | merlin1991 | ~weather 11034 |
| 20:28.27 | merlin1991 | *fu infobot |
| 20:28.36 | merlin1991 | ~weather LOWW |
| 20:29.04 | merlin1991 | bah invalid data, too far away |
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| 20:31.52 | Gear_ | 13c here |
| 20:32.07 | Gear_ | but it's 0733 |
| 20:32.24 | Gear_ | be 30's later |
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| 20:37.14 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Peek-Classic-Pronto-9-leftovers/?kc=rss |
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| 20:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and ponders booze until the freezing point is below ambient temperature |
| 20:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | for windshield wash it works :-D |
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| 20:41.33 | merlin1991 | hehe booze in the windshield water is the perfect solution to ice on your windshield :P |
| 20:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 20:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | logitech MX 5500 |
| 20:45.44 | Sicelo | i seem to be having a weird issue with bootmenu. i can't get BackupMenu to start with slide out. a reinstall of both doesn't help. i just remain with the white nokia logo till the timeout (30sec) ends, and i'm booted into maemo |
| 20:45.48 | Sicelo | :/ |
| 20:47.16 | NIN102 | get rid of bootmenu :P |
| 20:47.27 | NIN102 | ~bootmenu |
| 20:47.28 | Sicelo | :D |
| 20:47.40 | Sicelo | i wish i could. but i need it for BackupMenu |
| 20:47.54 | NIN102 | ah then I confused it with multiboot or so. |
| 20:47.55 | Sicelo | btw, u are not confusing it with multi-boot, are u? |
| 20:48.02 | Sicelo | ah, guessed so :D |
| 20:48.07 | NIN102 | :-) |
| 20:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~multiboot |
| 20:48.10 | infobot | [multiboot] at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html |
| 20:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 20:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~#maemo multiboot |
| 20:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 20:49.21 | Sicelo | ~nitdroid |
| 20:49.21 | infobot | hmm... nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco. |
| 20:49.37 | Sicelo | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 20:49.37 | infobot | methinks maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 20:49.46 | blueslee | ~infobot |
| 20:49.46 | infobot | from memory, infobot is happy |
| 20:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo multiboot |
| 20:49.46 | infobot | multiboot -- it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 36s ago. |
| 20:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 20:50.25 | blueslee | ~aah:-) |
| 20:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~#maemo multiboot is <replly>see maemo-multiboot |
| 20:50.30 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 20:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~#maemo multiboot is <reply>see maemo-multiboot |
| 20:50.41 | infobot | ...but #maemo multiboot is already something else... |
| 20:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, #maemo multiboot is <reply>see maemo-multiboot |
| 20:50.58 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 20:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~multiboot |
| 20:51.08 | infobot | hmm... multiboot is at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html |
| 20:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~#maemo multiboot |
| 20:51.24 | infobot | maemo-multiboot is, like, deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 20:51.29 | Sicelo | btw, that link is blank DocScrutinizer, at least for me |
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| 20:52.16 | Gear_ | it keeps telling me to update maemo multiboot |
| 20:52.32 | Gear_ | I can't remember why it's on there |
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| 20:52.44 | Gear_ | nothing multiboots anyway |
| 20:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo multiboot |
| 20:52.44 | infobot | multiboot -- it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 36s ago. |
| 20:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | seems defect |
| 20:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo #maemo multiboot |
| 20:53.39 | infobot | #maemo multiboot -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 3m 9s ago; last modified 2m 41s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer, 2m 15s ago. |
| 20:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~multiboot |
| 20:57.33 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 20:58.09 | Sicelo | if only i could get bootmenu to work again.. |
| 20:58.19 | Sicelo | what version of libc6 do u guys have? |
| 20:58.48 | DocScrutinizer | bootmenu is a shell script |
| 20:59.12 | Gear_ | is there a working version of ubuntu yet? |
| 21:00.24 | Sicelo | yes DocScrutinizer ... |
| 21:00.24 | ShadowJK | Estel_; i dont think it was me, but stride-width, stripe-width or something like that? |
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| 21:12.11 | jacekowski | fosdem anyone? |
| 21:12.35 | Gh0sty | y |
| 21:13.34 | rZr | _o/ |
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| 21:18.57 | rZr | jacekowski: are you ? |
| 21:19.02 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:19.46 | rZr | if the earth do not freeze since that day |
| 21:19.57 | rZr | before that day |
| 21:20.05 | jacekowski | well, it's tomorrow |
| 21:20.31 | rZr | i'll be in bxl tomorrow nite |
| 21:30.26 | Estel_ | thanks ShadowJK, will check that |
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| 21:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | fosdem? can't afford such fun |
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| 22:40.12 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: afford? |
| 22:40.16 | Gh0sty | its a free conference |
| 22:40.25 | Gh0sty | and afaik you live in germany |
| 22:40.38 | Gh0sty | so you're only a small drive away ... |
| 22:52.35 | Estel_ | another noob devel question: while writin sh script, may use a || after a command, and thing written after it gets executed in case, that command *before* dual-pipe fail |
| 22:52.45 | Estel_ | so, DO foo || echo bar |
| 22:52.55 | Estel_ | results in bar, when foo fails |
| 22:53.16 | Estel_ | yet, if I try to DO foo || echo bar && exit |
| 22:53.49 | Estel_ | it exits no matter if foo suceed or not, as thing after && is recognized as next command (not as after-|| content) |
| 22:54.42 | Estel_ | any other, better way to include failsafe mechanism in my scripts? preferrably, one that doesn't include epic IF cascades? |
| 22:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | no DO |
| 22:55.38 | Estel_ | generally, I want to write things, that inform user about errors *and* roll-back changes made before by this script *and* exit afterward |
| 22:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | a || b && c; is a bit tricky |
| 22:56.06 | Estel_ | hm... |
| 22:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | use if; then; else |
| 22:56.50 | Estel_ | ok, but how to prepare if that check if a was succeed? |
| 22:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | a && b is the same as if a; then b; fi; |
| 22:57.02 | Estel_ | i.e. simple example |
| 22:57.06 | Estel_ | yea, noticed that |
| 22:57.13 | Estel_ | for example, i want |
| 22:57.26 | Estel_ | swapon /dev/foo |
| 22:57.31 | Estel_ | and in case of fail |
| 22:57.44 | Estel_ | return info and exit |
| 22:57.56 | Estel_ | then, later in script |
| 22:58.04 | Estel_ | swapoff /dev/bar |
| 22:58.32 | Estel_ | and in case of fail, inform user, swapoff /dev/foo #that was swapon before and exit |
| 22:58.37 | Estel_ | and so goes on |
| 22:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | a && b is the same as if a; then b; fi; |
| 22:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 22:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 22:59.01 | Estel_ | script, that in case of error at any stage, roll-back itself, inform, and exit, to not leave user with mess |
| 22:59.07 | DocScrutinizer | if ! false; then echo "been ok"; exit 0; fi |
| 22:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: rollback is tricky |
| 22:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | help trap |
| 23:00.18 | Estel_ | generally true, yet this script is relatively short and not complicated, so I though it's worth it |
| 23:01.01 | Estel_ | best idea would be to check in advance if swap exist on /dev/foo, and if /dev/bar is swap type partition, yet inactive |
| 23:01.19 | Estel_ | and execute only if initial requiments are met (one if) |
| 23:01.26 | Estel_ | meet* |
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| 23:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | man bash|less "+2/^ *trap" |
| 23:02.03 | Estel_ | must be busybox compatible :P |
| 23:02.10 | Estel_ | thanks anyway, will look into it |
| 23:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 23:02.26 | Estel_ | hm? |
| 23:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | trap IS busybox compatible. the above man invokation to learn about trap cmd isn't |
| 23:03.36 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 23:03.47 | Estel_ | thanks, looks appealing anyway |
| 23:03.59 | Estel_ | I think I presume what does it mean for script ;) |
| 23:06.04 | Estel_ | noob dilema continued - is this: |
| 23:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | >> If a sigspec is ERR, the command arg is executed whenever a simple command has a non-zero exit status |
| 23:06.23 | Estel_ | if ! false; then echo "been ok"; exit 0; fi |
| 23:06.26 | Estel_ | is same as |
| 23:06.36 | Estel_ | if ! false; then echo "been ok"; ELSE exit 0; fi |
| 23:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | no, definitely and obviously different |
| 23:08.24 | Estel_ | ok, I get how trap works now, thanks a lot! |
| 23:08.35 | Estel_ | (topic-jumper) |
| 23:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | if ! false; then echo "been ok"; else echo "exit 0"; fi; echo "never been here after >exit 0<" |
| 23:12.11 | Estel_ | ok, so I correctly thing that (or I am wrong again): |
| 23:13.07 | Estel_ | if ! true; then echo "went bad"; else continue fi; |
| 23:13.25 | Estel_ | think/ not thing |
| 23:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | trap is a bit tricky, but extramely useful |
| 23:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | trap "echo byebye; exit 0" EXIT |
| 23:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | is a bad idea |
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| 23:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | usually you have a >> cleanup () { trap "" EXIT; echo byebye; exit 0; } << and then a >> trap cleanup EXIT << at some early point in your script |
| 23:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | and you probably got some more nifty code for >>errorhandler () { whatever }<< and then >>trap errorhandler ERR |
| 23:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | and you either change the way errorhandler() works, by defining some env like tmpfileopened=true |
| 23:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | or |
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| 23:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | you got errorhandlerA () { rm tmpfileA ; return}; errorhandlerB() { rm fileB; errorhandlerA; return}; errorhandlerC () { errohandlerB; echo "" >someotherfile; echo "duck and cover!"; return} |
| 23:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | and then of course: |
| 23:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | trap errorhandlerA ERR |
| 23:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | echo "" >tmpfileA |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | trap errorhandlerB ERR |
| 23:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | cp foobar fileB |
| 23:34.43 | DocScrutinizer | you (tnaks to not so strict syntax for shellscripts) can interleave the traps AND the function defs for errohandlerB etc |
| 23:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | s/tnaks/thanks/ |
| 23:35.05 | rm_work | rm! |
| 23:35.09 | rm_work | waves and disappears again |
| 23:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | does your highlight also trigger on warm warmaker carmanufacturer etc rm ? |
| 23:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 23:37.27 | rm_work | dunno |
| 23:37.34 | rm_work | you included just "rm" so it highlighted on that :P |
| 23:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | arms are bad |
| 23:37.51 | rm_work | nope :) |
| 23:37.59 | rm_work | \wrm\w |
| 23:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:38.25 | rm_work | in linux related channels it becomes a problem though <_< |
| 23:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | the default workinf hours at my employer's office tend to becomme a problem |
| 23:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | anyway |
| 23:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | waves and says "N8" |
| 23:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | thus: |
| 23:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | errorhandlerA () { rm tmpfileA ; return}; |
| 23:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | trap errorhandlerA ERR |
| 23:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | errorhandlerB() { rm fileB; errorhandlerA; return}; |
| 23:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | trap errorhandlerB ERR |
| 23:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | cp foobar fileB |
| 23:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | etc pp |
| 23:58.55 | Estel_ | Thanks DocScrutinizer, it's definitely worth reading material |
| 23:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 23:59.25 | Estel_ | saved this whole conversation for further referrence, and also waves goodnight |
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