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| 03:38.41 | kurt__ | is anyway i can force a OTA update on my n900? |
| 03:39.27 | SpeedEvil | What revision are you on? |
| 03:39.43 | SpeedEvil | The latest was Nov? A trivial diginotar-- fix |
| 03:40.09 | kurt__ | oldest. |
| 03:40.16 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 03:40.41 | SpeedEvil | First I'd try simply asking the app-manager to update |
| 03:41.09 | kurt__ | wants me to connect to my pc, lost usb cabling so. |
| 03:41.26 | SpeedEvil | Any mini-b cable will work |
| 03:41.31 | kurt__ | and it wouldnt update via nokia updater on my pc anyways. |
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| 03:42.03 | SpeedEvil | Micro-b |
| 03:42.58 | kurt__ | so there is no way to force a update? |
| 03:43.11 | SpeedEvil | It's possibly an idea to ask 5-10 hours ago, when the channel is more active |
| 03:43.30 | SpeedEvil | Or in another few, when more have woken up |
| 03:43.58 | kurt__ | ok. |
| 03:44.27 | nox- | i think one reason for it to ask for using pc is too little free space, so you could try uninstalling some bigger apps |
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| 03:44.46 | nox- | (if you installed any yet...) |
| 03:45.24 | kurt__ | ok. |
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| 03:47.04 | nox- | games are often big-ish |
| 03:47.52 | kurt__ | well im going through them now and its like maybe 60 mb combined of just widgets and a couple games. |
| 03:54.00 | kurt__ | eh didnt work. |
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| 04:04.33 | nox- | :( |
| 04:04.33 | nox- | check `details' |
| 04:04.34 | nox- | on the updating error |
| 04:04.43 | kurt__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.53 | nox- | maybe its something else than free space |
| 04:05.24 | nox- | apt needs root, but id say you better let the packagemanager do it |
| 04:07.14 | kurt__ | hmmm ill have a look around maemo.org there has got to be a way to force it. |
| 04:07.49 | nox- | or maybe the combined updates since your old version just need too much free space... |
| 04:08.30 | kurt__ | most likely but i can find my micro b cabling, sigh |
| 04:08.52 | nox- | hm well they're not expensive... |
| 04:09.28 | nox- | anyway, bbl |
| 04:09.38 | kurt__ | cbf going in town, live 15 minutes out, and i know its around here somewhere. |
| 04:09.44 | kurt__ | thanks for help though |
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| 04:10.18 | nox- | np |
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| 04:28.50 | oilinki | any recommendation for application for N900 which could make POI's for the location? |
| 04:29.14 | oilinki | for some reason I could not find the functionality on the default Maps application |
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| 04:38.56 | SpeedEvil | There are a few geocaching apps |
| 04:39.01 | SpeedEvil | search for gps apps |
| 04:42.21 | oilinki | I have the adcanced geocaching tool, I'll check it out |
| 04:42.51 | oilinki | I'm looking for the feature to record where I'll put a new cache |
| 04:43.40 | oilinki | now installing maemomapper (mappero) which at least on n910 could save the pois |
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| 08:34.49 | Macer | wow |
| 08:34.55 | Macer | marble is pretty nice |
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| 08:39.53 | Macer | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html |
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| 08:50.10 | RST38h | macer: Yohoho! |
| 08:53.08 | Macer | heh |
| 08:53.18 | Macer | i just hope it isn't another AI Touchbook fiasco |
| 08:53.28 | Macer | what a total piece of shit that thing was |
| 08:53.57 | RST38h | Macer: What? You have not ordered Pandora then? =) |
| 08:54.24 | Macer | hahahaa |
| 08:54.24 | Macer | hey... it might not be vaporware ;) |
| 08:54.28 | Macer | i thought the touchbook was until it was released |
| 08:54.41 | Macer | but then it came out and was a total let down |
| 08:55.00 | Macer | omg that thing was awful |
| 08:55.14 | Macer | the asus transformer was the a touchbook done right lol |
| 08:57.26 | Macer | i wonder if i could put kde active on my transformer |
| 08:57.31 | Macer | that would own |
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| 10:36.09 | user__ | nick kurtisgood |
| 10:36.51 | kurtisgood | can anyone help me with any of the qtlockscreen stuff having troubles importing other lockscreens |
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| 10:48.43 | niloy_ | hi, is it possible to read sim info via command line for N900? |
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| 11:33.33 | jonwil | anyone here know anything about QT programming on the N900? |
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| 11:43.42 | dhbiker | hi there guzs |
| 11:43.51 | dhbiker | guys* |
| 11:44.06 | dhbiker | umm... i installed bash 4.x |
| 11:44.18 | dhbiker | and now i'm wondering how to start it |
| 11:48.41 | SpeedEvil | bash |
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| 11:49.29 | dhbiker | -sh: bash: not found |
| 12:01.05 | RST38h | moos |
| 12:02.24 | dhbiker | mmm beef <3 |
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| 12:11.03 | dhbiker | ty ecksun |
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| 12:11.12 | ecksun | nps |
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| 12:18.30 | niloy_ | hi, is it possible to read sim info via command line for N900? |
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| 12:21.34 | andre__ | what do you mean by "sim info"? |
| 12:21.55 | andre__ | https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_SIM_status ? |
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| 14:03.20 | vi__ | hey I have a zany idea |
| 14:03.37 | vi__ | what about starting asterisk on your n900. |
| 14:03.51 | vi__ | dialing into your own server (on the n900) |
| 14:04.07 | vi__ | setting n900 as an access point |
| 14:04.28 | vi__ | allowing other people to dial into your asterisk server |
| 14:04.50 | vi__ | then a conferance call |
| 14:04.53 | vi__ | ?????? |
| 14:04.55 | vi__ | profit? |
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| 14:16.06 | Lantizia | hey I've been out of the look for a while - whats the latest maemo for n900? |
| 14:16.35 | merlin1991 | 1.3.1 |
| 14:17.18 | Lantizia | my phone reports - 21.2011.38-1.203.1 i'm guessing that is 1.2? |
| 14:18.26 | Pali | not, it is 1.3.1 |
| 14:19.12 | Lantizia | so i'm on the latest already? |
| 14:24.00 | vi__ | yup |
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| 14:27.42 | Lantizia | ok has there been any luck porting MeeGo/Harmattan to n900? |
| 14:28.34 | Lantizia | or maybe has Mer been revived? |
| 14:29.46 | merlin1991 | Lantizia: mer is alive |
| 14:29.53 | merlin1991 | and has a ux for n900 (nemomobile) |
| 14:37.01 | vi__ | But it still sucks. |
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| 14:42.17 | Lantizia | moblin, maemo, mer, meego, tizen |
| 14:42.23 | Lantizia | at least they stopped with the m's |
| 14:43.27 | Lantizia | well i've no interest in a html5 only platform (tizen), no interest in anything using rpm's (tizen, _new_ mer, meego)... which leaves only maemo, _old_ mer and meego/harmattan |
| 14:43.54 | Lantizia | if maemo/harmattan isn't 100% open source then i suppose i can't have that on my n900 (i thought meego _was_ supposed to be 100% open source however) |
| 14:44.21 | Lantizia | in which case what happened with the rumour that nokia were open sourcing the rest of maemo! i like maemo just the way it is! |
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| 14:54.19 | vi__ | THere was no rumor about nokia opening maemo |
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| 15:13.32 | Lantizia | vi__, ok then was there an effort to re-implement all the bits that are proprietary? |
| 15:14.59 | Lantizia | installs cssu testing |
| 15:15.00 | vi__ | There still is. |
| 15:15.10 | Lantizia | is that the cssu? |
| 15:15.57 | vi__ | But Nokia refuses to help. |
| 15:15.57 | vi__ | Yes |
| 15:15.57 | vi__ | Installing CSSU is HIGHLY recommended. |
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| 15:22.34 | oilinki | hmm.. what the CSSU will bring? |
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| 15:24.42 | Lantizia | oilinki, so far... http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features |
| 15:25.38 | oilinki | Lantizia: I was just reading that. |
| 15:25.51 | oilinki | basically screen rotation? |
| 15:26.11 | Lantizia | oilinki, no these too ..http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 15:26.15 | Lantizia | general fixes for all sorts |
| 15:26.35 | oilinki | ok. that sounds more important for me. |
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| 15:27.05 | oilinki | I'll try with stable |
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| 15:35.21 | oilinki | and thanks for the idea |
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| 16:35.51 | Pali | merlin1991, kernel-power-settings package is not fixed! http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-settings |
| 16:36.04 | Pali | last version 0.13 is missing! |
| 16:36.28 | merlin1991 | was 0.13 in -devel? |
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| 16:37.21 | Pali | yes |
| 16:40.51 | freemangordon | Pali, could you try to increase version number and put it in -devel again |
| 16:41.31 | freemangordon | AIUI all the database was manually cleaned, maybe the man just missed to re-add tha latest version |
| 16:42.58 | vi__ | FYI, KP50 is making me an epic boner. |
| 16:43.37 | freemangordon | vi__, well, it still has some edgesh to be polished |
| 16:43.42 | freemangordon | *edges |
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| 16:47.21 | vi__ | edges to be polished? Enough about my boner. Tell me about KP50. |
| 16:48.22 | freemangordon | vi__, some users report broken video playback with some videos and stock DSP codecs. And there is one user report for kernel oops in WLAN driver :) |
| 16:49.13 | vi__ | freemangordon: the problem is the quality of the reports. |
| 16:49.15 | freemangordon | both reports ar for KP49 aof course, but still not fixed in pre50 |
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| 16:49.59 | vi__ | When only 1 user out of >500 have a problem, you can conlude they have in fact broken somthing on their own. |
| 16:50.08 | freemangordon | well, I have video that is reported to crash DSP, not tested it though |
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| 16:50.34 | freemangordon | vi__, there is mtd oops for wlan driver, so there is something bad in kernel ;) |
| 16:50.46 | freemangordon | it is not only a report |
| 16:50.58 | freemangordon | there is a backtrace |
| 16:51.06 | vi__ | well, good luck contacting lxp. He cares for maemo not anymore. |
| 16:51.16 | freemangordon | really? |
| 16:51.19 | freemangordon | :( |
| 16:51.25 | vi__ | ooh, backtrace is like DNA at a crime scene! |
| 16:51.46 | freemangordon | I was hoping for some help from lxp. |
| 16:52.08 | vi__ | freemangordon: Well I do not know that for CERTAIN, however he only released the 'bleeding edge' driver to recoup the loss he made from programming it. |
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| 16:52.28 | vi__ | He was to be payed by the original backtrack mobile people, |
| 16:52.35 | vi__ | and they failed him. |
| 16:52.43 | freemangordon | yeah, I know the story |
| 16:52.55 | vi__ | I think he recovered most of his losses. |
| 16:53.13 | vi__ | So one can assume fixing some bug will be quite low on his list of priorities. |
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| 16:53.24 | freemangordon | damn, we need at least one more man involved in kernel-power |
| 16:53.38 | freemangordon | but seems noone is interested |
| 16:53.48 | vi__ | freemangordon: People are interested. |
| 16:53.57 | vi__ | They just do not have the skills/time to help. |
| 16:54.03 | freemangordon | yeah, but not in chasing bugs |
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| 16:55.46 | vi__ | freemangordon: are you referring to a particular bug? |
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| 16:56.02 | freemangordon | yeah, the wlan bug. |
| 16:56.11 | freemangordon | the kernel oops |
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| 16:57.02 | freemangordon | it shoulkd be relatively easy to be found, as it is a segfault in memcmp . null pointer or something |
| 16:58.17 | freemangordon | and I really was hoping the author to help, as he is familiar with the subsystem. Anywa pali sent him a mail, lets see if he will respond. |
| 16:59.52 | vi__ | freemangordon: I hope so. |
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| 17:02.51 | freemangordon | pali, ping |
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| 17:16.16 | Pali | pong, freemangordon |
| 17:16.43 | freemangordon | [18:37] <freemangordon> Pali, could you try to increase version number and put it in -devel again |
| 17:16.45 | freemangordon | [18:38] <freemangordon> AIUI all the database was manually cleaned, maybe the man just missed to re-add tha latest version |
| 17:17.00 | freemangordon | tahat is for kernel-power-settings |
| 17:17.05 | freemangordon | *that |
| 17:17.07 | Pali | ok, I can try it |
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| 18:17.31 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon: kernel-power-settings is in extras-testing! |
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| 18:17.40 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.13/ |
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| 18:18.17 | Pali | I pushed version 0.13 and promoted to extras-testing without problem |
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| 18:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | moos frozen |
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| 19:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: ping |
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| 19:43.30 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, pong? |
| 19:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: xchat maintainer? |
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| 19:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | secalert@redhat.com and security@debian.com search for you |
| 19:46.36 | mgedmin | I've no idea who maintains xchat |
| 19:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 19:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/xchat/ Maintainers: Marius Gedminas, Marat Fayzullin |
| 19:48.54 | mgedmin | yes, I just noticed |
| 19:49.12 | mgedmin | what was I doing back then... ? |
| 19:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | nfc :-D |
| 19:49.38 | mgedmin | call it NMU'ing :) |
| 19:49.59 | mgedmin | 2.8.4-diablo0mg2 is mine |
| 19:51.11 | mgedmin | I think RST38h was the one who uploaded later versions? |
| 19:51.16 | mgedmin | ping him ;) |
| 19:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | yes, prolly. |
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| 19:54.19 | mgedmin | hm, from http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras_free_armel/xchat/2.8.4-diablo0mg2/ HOW DO I GET TO THE SOURCE? |
| 19:54.54 | Pali | repository.maemo.org/extras |
| 19:59.35 | mgedmin | xchat is not present in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/x/ |
| 19:59.52 | mgedmin | is maemo.org violating the GPL or what? |
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| 20:00.55 | MohammadAG | how do I forcibly kill a process? |
| 20:00.59 | MohammadAG | kill -11 isn't workin |
| 20:01.27 | derf | kill -9 |
| 20:01.32 | derf | If that doesn't work, reboot. |
| 20:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | kill -SIGKILL <process-id> |
| 20:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | is the genuine way |
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| 20:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | though POSIX says SIGKIL *has to* be 9 |
| 20:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | so kill -9 is the short form |
| 20:03.13 | mgedmin | uninterruptible sleep sucks |
| 20:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | a process that doesn't die on SIGKILL is probably a fake process instantiated by a rootkit |
| 20:04.21 | NIN101 | or a zombie |
| 20:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but zombie age passed wince some 5 years now |
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| 20:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | actually you hardly ever see a zombie process nowadays |
| 20:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | thanks to improved kernel |
| 20:06.48 | mgedmin | whAt? |
| 20:07.08 | mgedmin | zombies are processes that died and their parent did not call wait() on them |
| 20:07.09 | mgedmin | it's POSIX |
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| 20:07.28 | mgedmin | how can the kernel do something about that? |
| 20:07.41 | MohammadAG | still get zombies every now and then |
| 20:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: afaik kernel force-cleanout zombies after a while |
| 20:10.04 | mgedmin | interesting |
| 20:10.10 | mgedmin | [citation needed] ;) |
| 20:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | formerly when a zombie's parent died, the zombie 'lived on' forever, no? |
| 20:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | now the zombie is inherited to process #1 and immediately vanishes - all AFAIK and <arbitrary other disclaimer> |
| 20:13.00 | mgedmin | no, it was always like that -- parent dies, children get reparented to init, init reaps all zombies |
| 20:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, NFC then, maybe I dreamt something ;-D |
| 20:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I've not seen any zombie for yeras now, except that one sucker always creared by HPLIP |
| 20:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | created* |
| 20:16.03 | mgedmin | my collectd graphs show 2 zombies on one machine |
| 20:16.11 | mgedmin | one day I'll find some time to investigate |
| 20:16.19 | mgedmin | while they're not multiplying I'm not worried |
| 20:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | zombies hardly have sex |
| 20:16.40 | mgedmin | now back in 1999 zombie fetchmail processes brought down my desktop |
| 20:16.46 | fizzie | CFEngine sometimes goes all zombie-infestation-mode sometimes. |
| 20:17.25 | mgedmin | (process table full, couldn't start anything -- including /bin/ps) |
| 20:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: yeah, nasty |
| 20:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if exec top in a shell would work |
| 20:18.32 | mgedmin | it had X running, so I closed some xterms and could run one process in the other xterms ;) |
| 20:18.43 | mgedmin | at least for 5 minutes, until the next cron-scheduled fetchmail run |
| 20:18.56 | mgedmin | and kill is a shell builtin |
| 20:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | since posix threads are in fact processes for all that's relevant to process table, it got even worse I guess |
| 20:19.12 | mgedmin | so is echo, and while |
| 20:19.31 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: it does work |
| 20:19.59 | mgedmin | which means you can echo /proc/* and get a poor-man's ps |
| 20:20.05 | mgedmin | and poor man's cat |
| 20:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 20:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/* |
| 20:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | echo proc/* is a bit useless, except for poor man's ls |
| 20:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 20:21.13 | Corsac | ps you mean |
| 20:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | hides |
| 20:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo /proc/* |
| 20:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | /proc/1 /proc/10 /proc/10430 /proc/10745 /proc/10746 /proc/10776 /proc/1093 /proc/11 /proc/11229 /proc/11301 /proc/1138 /proc/11608 /proc/11832 /proc/11924 /proc/12 /proc/1207 /proc/1212 /proc/1213 /proc/1217 /proc/1218 /proc/1226 /proc/1227 /proc/13 /proc/1304 /proc/1309 /proc/1318 /proc/1320 /proc/1328 /proc/1329 /proc/13604 /proc/1365 /proc/1367 /proc/13686 /proc/1369 /proc/1371 /proc/1396 /proc/14 /proc/1418 /proc/14920 /proc/1497 /proc/ |
| 20:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | 1498 /proc/15 /proc/1561 /proc/1569 /proc/1572 /proc/1575 /proc/1599 /proc/16 /proc/1612 /proc/1625 /proc/1628 /proc/16551 /proc/16553 /proc/1667 /proc/17 /proc/17087 /proc/17149 /proc/17153 /proc/17211 /proc/1733 /proc/1771 /proc/18 /proc/1813 /proc/18686 /proc/1871 /proc/1881 /proc/19 /proc/19464 /proc |
| 20:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | oops, not complete, but still more than I planned to c&p |
| 20:22.22 | fizzie | (Or, to be fair to CFEngine, "did go"; they had some file-descriptor leak bug, and also another bug which would leave an un-wait()d child when it ran out of file descriptors, at a rate of one/15 minutes. Had over a thousand accumulate. Though the "zombie attack" comments admittedly made the issue tracker more lively.) |
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| 20:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo /proc/*|wc |
| 20:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> type cat |
| 20:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | cat is /bin/cat |
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| 20:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> type -t echo cat ps |
| 20:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | builtin |
| 20:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | file |
| 20:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | fizzie: slomo fork bomb |
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| 20:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | I had a brilliant fork bomb on maemo, when I had the brillinat idea to keep simple shellscript in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* |
| 20:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | hildon and maemo still *somewhat* worked |
| 20:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | but sloooooooooow XP |
| 20:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | I guess OOM daemon kicked in, trying to keep system alive |
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