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| 00:53.51 | FIQ|n900 | Totally unrelated but still worth discussing. An "other" of sorts. No religious or political topics please. |
| 00:53.52 | FIQ|n900 | Last post: The epic ACTA thread by szopin @ Today 04:20 PM Go to last post |
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| 13:19.38 | [DarkGUNMAN] | PhoneME Advanced test build available for Maemo/MeeGo - talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1157338#post1157338 |
| 13:19.55 | [DarkGUNMAN] | sorry if this a repost, had connection problem |
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| 14:56.41 | fredddd | Robot101, I badly need your help for quite a while now regarding that package you made me install. =/ |
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| 14:57.40 | Robot101 | fredddd: just download the original from http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/loudmouth/1.4.1-0osso10+0m5/ and install - actually apt-get install --reinstall might work too |
| 14:59.39 | fredddd | Thank you. |
| 15:01.11 | fredddd | Robot101, armel or i386? |
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| 15:04.36 | Robot101 | armel |
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| 15:52.14 | fredddd | Robot101, this is weird, upon doing apt-get instal --reinstall package-name-auto-completed-with-tab.deb it says it can not find the package. |
| 15:52.19 | fredddd | Yet it is there in the folder. =/ |
| 15:52.44 | fredddd | It even auto completes the name upon pressing tab |
| 15:53.57 | fw190 | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 15:54.10 | Wizzup | fredddd: dpkg -i |
| 15:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | pong |
| 15:54.16 | fw190 | hello |
| 15:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
| 15:54.24 | fw190 | have you seen the new N900 |
| 15:54.30 | fw190 | I've send yesterday? |
| 15:54.31 | Robot101 | fredddd: yeah, dpkg -i installs a .deb file, apt-get downloads it from the server |
| 15:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | errWUT? |
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| 15:54.46 | fw190 | you were looking where to buy new N900 |
| 15:54.58 | fw190 | I've send you a link here |
| 15:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, the polish website, yes thanks, but alas I can't find my way around it |
| 15:55.15 | fw190 | hmmm |
| 15:55.19 | fw190 | I could help |
| 15:55.25 | fw190 | and ask if they send abroad |
| 15:55.36 | fw190 | if the proce is Ok for you |
| 15:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | sure thing, thanks a lot for that |
| 15:55.55 | fw190 | this is something like mediaMarkt so a relaianle one |
| 15:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 15:56.26 | fw190 | I will send them an email and ask it they send abroad |
| 15:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | so they don't have a "English" button on their page? ;-D |
| 15:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | even "German"? |
| 15:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if google-translate might help |
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| 15:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | they're supposed to send abroad inside EU |
| 15:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | just I'm supposed to understand what I "sign" on their website |
| 15:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 15:58.38 | fw190 | I just gave the a call |
| 15:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | even worse: understand what I'm supposed to do for payment, order, whatnot |
| 15:58.46 | fw190 | they only send inside Poland |
| 15:58.49 | fw190 | damn |
| 15:58.53 | fw190 | this is strange |
| 15:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? sue them!!! :-P |
| 15:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | isn't Poland EU member? |
| 15:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | AFAIK they are obliged to deliver to arbitrary EU locations |
| 16:00.45 | fw190 | I do not know what the state of the law is |
| 16:00.54 | fw190 | maybe it;s their inside regulation |
| 16:02.04 | fw190 | it seems that the only way would be to buy it here and send it but this might not be safe |
| 16:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe safe enough |
| 16:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | where are they located? |
| 16:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | I even might ponder having a nice weekend trip |
| 16:03.42 | fw190 | well you could order it to a shop which is nearest to the border |
| 16:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 16:03.59 | fw190 | and pic it up tere it costs 1 euro for delivery to a shop |
| 16:04.13 | fw190 | I will chceck where that could be |
| 16:04.34 | fw190 | you prefer northern part or southern of the western border? |
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| 16:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | southern |
| 16:05.55 | fw190 | this ok? http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=jelenia+g%C3%B3ra&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470ede3bb9f54cd9:0xc158d47122acfbc,Jelenia+G%C3%B3ra&gl=pl&ei=UW4lT_rROMyq-gb4-_XuBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ8gEwAg |
| 16:07.17 | fw190 | here is a shop withe easier road http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=legnica&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470f1285124037c1:0x438e15212088e6a2,Legnica&gl=pl&ei=hW4lT7-ZE4yq-gbcku3kAg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CGMQ8gEwBA |
| 16:08.48 | fw190 | I could order it for you, send you the order number. If you dont pick it up they will put no costs, you also dont pay for it untill you pick it up |
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| 16:09.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=jelenia+góra&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470ede3bb9f54cd9:0xc158d47122acfbc,Jelenia+Góra&gl=pl&ei=UW4lT_rROMyq-gb4-_XuBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CFgQ8gEwAg a bit lengthy for a weekend trip still |
| 16:10.36 | fw190 | bolesławiec is closer ;) |
| 16:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | I have to find another way to get it |
| 16:12.16 | fw190 | this is as close as it gets http://maps.google.pl/maps?client=ubuntu&channel=cs&q=boles%C5%82awiec&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x470f343b0d3038af:0x8dfc0e8cd07478a2,Boles%C5%82awiec&gl=pl&ei=rG8lT4zVGMnn-gbH3KS4CA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CFwQ8gEwBA |
| 16:12.43 | fw190 | ok If I could help PM me on TMO ro send ma na email |
| 16:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | thanks a lot :-) |
| 16:17.11 | fw190 | I still can not belive that the do not send abroad |
| 16:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | neither, but I can't even read their page to learn if they do or not ;) |
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| 16:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is up with my Konversation client? |
| 16:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer51: test |
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| 16:40.18 | blueslee | how can i surpass teh following issue |
| 16:40.33 | blueslee | libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6) but 2.7.8-0maemo5+0m6 is to be installed |
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| 16:44.15 | blueslee | i mean the devel package is from here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libx/libxml2/ |
| 16:45.10 | blueslee | refers to maemo4? and does not match the version of libxml2 which has maemo5 in the package name |
| 16:45.39 | blueslee | and evertyhing on harmattan=maemo6?! |
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| 16:51.55 | Sicelo | hmm, getting this now when inserting sd card: mmc0: host does not support reading read-only switch. assuming write-enable. |
| 16:52.43 | SpeedEvil | Normal |
| 16:52.49 | SpeedEvil | microSD does notr have r/w |
| 16:53.11 | Sicelo | all cards tested do this, but work on every other phone/pc i tried. and it's not a case of magnetic case or what |
| 16:53.43 | Sicelo | SpeedEvil: the card can't be mounted, automatically or manually :( |
| 16:53.43 | SpeedEvil | MicroSD cards simply do not have a r/w switch |
| 16:53.55 | SpeedEvil | you're misreading it |
| 16:54.14 | SpeedEvil | That line is just saying it's assuming that it's read/write |
| 16:54.20 | SpeedEvil | it's nothing to do with mounting |
| 16:54.26 | Sicelo | here's lines.. |
| 16:55.02 | Sicelo | immediately after that one.. |
| 16:55.13 | Sicelo | mmc0: new high speed SD card at address 0002 |
| 16:55.13 | Sicelo | [35558.107574] mmcblk1: mmc0:0002 00000 1.86 GiB |
| 16:55.26 | Sicelo | [35558.107879] mmcblk1: |
| 16:56.52 | Sicelo | any idea? |
| 16:59.22 | Sicelo | i don't use sd cards that much, but last i time they worked. |
| 17:00.01 | SpeedEvil | Again, not an error |
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| 17:03.21 | Sicelo | well, what would u suggest i do/check? |
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| 17:03.37 | SpeedEvil | What filesystem is it? |
| 17:03.43 | Sicelo | FAT |
| 17:04.13 | Sicelo | linux, nokia s40 phones can all access the card withot ny issue |
| 17:04.24 | SpeedEvil | Try mount /dev/mmcblk1 /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 17:04.24 | Sicelo | *any |
| 17:04.30 | SpeedEvil | and see if it thros an error |
| 17:05.54 | Sicelo | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1 on /home/user/MyDocs/ failed: No such file or directory |
| 17:06.20 | SpeedEvil | Okay - does MyDocs exist? |
| 17:06.23 | SpeedEvil | the dir |
| 17:06.36 | Sicelo | of course :) |
| 17:06.55 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - mostly asleep - not helping much |
| 17:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | EEEK you don't mount uSD on MyDocs!! |
| 17:07.09 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 17:07.12 | SpeedEvil | that, yes |
| 17:07.13 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 17:07.14 | Sicelo | yeah, lol |
| 17:07.52 | Sicelo | i triead a different dir before.. same error |
| 17:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | ls .l /dev/mmc* |
| 17:08.13 | Sicelo | what's missing SpeedEvil is /dev/mmcblk1 |
| 17:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | err ls -l |
| 17:08.37 | Sicelo | yeah DocScrutinizer, only mmcblk0* |
| 17:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 17:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | your card might be corrupt |
| 17:10.01 | Sicelo | nope. i tried 4 cards now. all known to be working, tested with 3 phones and card reader on linux |
| 17:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I have no way to test right now what should show up when you hotplug a uSD on fremantle |
| 17:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | in syslog |
| 17:11.01 | Sicelo | it should be mmcblk0p0 iirc |
| 17:11.17 | Sicelo | *1p0, i mean |
| 17:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | Jan 18 22:49:04 IroN900 kernel: [ 12.107543] mmcblk1: mmc1:0001 MMC32G 29.8 GiB |
| 17:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | Jan 18 22:49:04 IroN900 kernel: [ 12.107910] mmcblk1: p1 p2 p3 |
| 17:11.46 | Sicelo | i've used sd card successfully before.. dunno wth is wrong now |
| 17:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | this card has 3 partitions |
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| 17:12.08 | Sicelo | yeah.. yours is happy :( |
| 17:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe yours got none, I.E superfloppy |
| 17:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | superfloppy not supported by fremantle afaik |
| 17:12.52 | Sicelo | i tested on linux.. partition is there |
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| 17:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | is it actually a partition? |
| 17:13.06 | Sicelo | will confirm again in 30 minutes |
| 17:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | use cfdisk on a desktop linux |
| 17:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | other devices and also windoof love to format uSD as superfloppy |
| 17:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | I.E no partition table |
| 17:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | first block is first data chunk |
| 17:15.15 | Sicelo | ok. i know about superfloppy, but didn't think 'basic' devices do that. (i dumped windows a year ago :P) |
| 17:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of devices do that |
| 17:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | your quoted syslog suggests there are no partitions, yet you should see /dev/mmcblk1 |
| 17:16.35 | Sicelo | that's not there. |
| 17:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | then probably hw failure, uSD are known to work with one device and crap out with another. Protocol/clockspeed negotioation is kinky |
| 17:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a linux-global fix for uSD driver some time ago |
| 17:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | from intel iirc |
| 17:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'd bet it's missing in stock fremantle kernel |
| 17:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | allegedlya only needed for one particular brand of uSD (kingston?) |
| 17:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | (transcend?) |
| 17:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware if we already got it in powerkernel |
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| 17:20.53 | Sicelo_ | meh.. bad internet |
| 17:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | I recently suggested to get it into CSSU (though kernel domain which is somewhat orthogonal to CSSU) |
| 17:21.35 | Sicelo_ | getting what into CSSU? |
| 17:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | ooops you missed all my monolog? get chanlog! http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 17:22.17 | Sicelo_ | sure.. i'll do that :) |
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| 17:46.48 | Sicelo | hmm, looks like i have hw issue :( |
| 17:47.15 | Sicelo_ | used cfdisk, and now dmesg shows |
| 17:47.39 | Sicelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.51 | Sicelo_ | mmcblk1: p1 |
| 17:48.08 | Sicelo_ | but no entry in /dev/ |
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| 17:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | now that's weird |
| 17:53.02 | ShadowJK | I wonder if the thing that creates the entry has died |
| 17:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | that thing is called kernel :-D |
| 17:53.32 | scoobertron | does anyone know if it is possible to change the font colour (or other properties) on the default lockscreen? (I know about qtlockscreen etc, just wondering what is possible with the default) |
| 17:56.18 | Sicelo_ | i don't want to blame PK49, but i have'nt used sd cards since i upgrades from kp47... but then, i'm sure others with KP49 don't have this issue |
| 17:58.18 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, no it's not |
| 17:58.26 | ShadowJK | it's in userspace |
| 17:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | duh? |
| 17:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | what in userspace would create a /dev/* |
| 17:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | I know udev does the renaming |
| 17:59.43 | NIN101 | e. g. udev |
| 18:00.02 | Sicelo | had thought of udev |
| 18:00.11 | Sicelo | how to reinstall it perhaps? |
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| 18:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I seem to stand corrected |
| 18:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: try udevadm monitor |
| 18:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | check /etc/udev/ |
| 18:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever it's been |
| 18:01.42 | Sicelo | as it's now kinda clear that it's not h/w.. trying via h-e-n does the same thing |
| 18:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | h-e-n is unrelated |
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| 18:03.44 | Sicelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.58 | Sicelo_ | but there's no /dev/sdb* |
| 18:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | I still think your uSD formatting/partitioning is the culprit |
| 18:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | also dmesg seems suboptimal |
| 18:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | use syslog |
| 18:04.50 | trumee | freemangordon: ping |
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| 18:20.18 | freemangordon | trumee, pong |
| 18:20.41 | trumee | freemangordon: did my report on videos not playing make sense? |
| 18:20.57 | trumee | freemangordon: dsp errors on SD videos. |
| 18:22.04 | freemangordon | do you have a example video, so I can test it here. |
| 18:22.10 | freemangordon | *an |
| 18:22.43 | freemangordon | BTW doy you have the same problem when using KP from repos? |
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| 18:22.55 | freemangordon | trumee ^^^ |
| 18:24.08 | trumee | freemangordon: any mp4 video from here, http://feeds.feedburner.com/cnet/top5?format=xml |
| 18:25.29 | trumee | freemangordon: no, i only tried with my own kp49 built (minus bt patch). However Sicelo, had a go with kp49 from the repo and reported the same error |
| 18:25.46 | freemangordon | ok, will check |
| 18:27.09 | trumee | freemangordon: cheers. kp48 (minus bt patch) plays the video fine here, |
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| 18:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | FWIW stock maemo with CSSU plays fine |
| 18:37.04 | freemangordon | trumee, KP49 + maemo6 gst-dsp and DSP codecs plays the first video fine here, seems something in maemo5 gst-dsp is causing the problem. However, I don't have time now to look into the issue, will try to fix it next week. |
| 18:37.57 | trumee | freemangordon: np, just wanted to bring to your notice. |
| 18:38.09 | freemangordon | yeah, thanks |
| 18:39.00 | trumee | freemangordon: would be happy to help with bt testing whenever you have that ready. |
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| 18:40.02 | freemangordon | trumee, I am trying to fix it right now, hopefully will be ready in a matter of 1-2 hours, will ping you when I am ready |
| 18:40.13 | trumee | freemangordon: sure |
| 18:52.36 | Macer | holy crap |
| 18:53.40 | Macer | ovi maps |
| 18:53.43 | Macer | is absolutely |
| 18:53.44 | Macer | AWFUL |
| 18:53.54 | Macer | i got lost 3 times trying to use it |
| 18:54.11 | Macer | i wish there was google maps for maemo |
| 18:54.23 | Macer | i bet if i took my android phone i'd have turn by turn instructions every 2 secs |
| 18:54.28 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: klogd or sysklogd? |
| 18:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | I guess both |
| 18:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | one depends on the other |
| 18:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 18:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | so try sysklogd first, I guess it will pull klogd |
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| 18:56.25 | Sicelo | yeah.. they're getting installed atm :) |
| 18:57.03 | Sicelo | btw, i remember reading somewhere that u run risk of filling up space :/ |
| 18:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | err, well, yeah, you eventually should rm /var/log/syslog |
| 18:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | every now and then |
| 18:58.48 | DocScrutinizer | I do it every 3 months or somesuch |
| 18:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | or get logrotate pkg, if there's any |
| 18:59.53 | Sicelo | ah, looks like there is logrotate |
| 19:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to configure it to your preferences - dunno what defaults it ships with |
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| 19:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | I never bothered as for me it turned out syslog space consumption isn't really an issue |
| 19:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | after all it needs some loglines to fill a MB of storage ;-) |
| 19:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3050728 Jan 29 20:00 /var/log/syslog |
| 19:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~ # head /var/log/syslog |
| 19:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | Jan 18 22:49:03 IroN900 syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5: restart. |
| 19:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 19:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | quite a bit |
| 19:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | 3MB in 11 days |
| 19:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, I did quite some reboots lately, which usually I don't |
| 19:09.01 | StyXman | Macer: have you tried marble+monav? |
| 19:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I think I'd get a bashscript with "cp /varlog/syslog /var/log/syslog.old && echo "reste by me" >/var/log/syslog", then every now and then hit the icon that starts that scriptie |
| 19:12.54 | Sicelo | \o/ |
| 19:13.17 | Sicelo | btw, memory card read fine now after (a forced) reboot |
| 19:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | I actually type those cmds every few months |
| 19:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | duh! |
| 19:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you often need a reboot to make kernel recover from fsckdup partition table on a device |
| 19:14.55 | Sicelo | battery fell out when i opened cover :-s |
| 19:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | seems this part of kernel still isn't really made for removable media |
| 19:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | cfdisk suggests reboot to read in new partition table anyway |
| 19:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | so nothing entirely new and exciting |
| 19:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | just new to learn it impacts uSD |
| 19:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, on superfloppy there isn't *any* magic number to tell "hah, this is superfloppy now", so superfloppy is the fallback for any arbitrary crap and you even could have stored a MBR&parttbl in first sector of your superfloppy, as plain data part of a file |
| 19:18.27 | Macer | StyXman: no? |
| 19:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | I guess |
| 19:18.34 | Macer | is that some sort of better gps nav app? |
| 19:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | or some funny incidence that makes FAT look like MBR |
| 19:18.51 | Macer | beacuse i would have been doing better with stellar navigation than ovi maps |
| 19:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | so no sane way back from superfloppy once kernel decided it's one |
| 19:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | get orrery then ;-P |
| 19:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: ^^^ |
| 19:20.30 | Macer | ? |
| 19:20.31 | Sicelo | lol.. orrery |
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| 19:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | or stellarium |
| 19:23.16 | StyXman | Macer: I tried it a bit and it worked for me |
| 19:23.48 | StyXman | actually I don't need much navigation, but you could try |
| 19:23.49 | Sicelo | same here.. add in the voice navigation tweak and u are all set |
| 19:24.08 | StyXman | Sicelo: I never found out how to do it |
| 19:24.21 | StyXman | I never cared that much either :| |
| 19:24.37 | StyXman | I use marble mostly for tracking and digital map |
| 19:25.21 | Sicelo | works for me like a charm.. use the OMVoiceServer method.. nearly fool-proof (i'm quite noob with *nix.. but it worked for me first try) |
| 19:27.17 | StyXman | Sicelo: ah, but you mean for ovinav... |
| 19:27.24 | StyXman | not for marble... |
| 19:27.52 | StyXman | Macer: disclaimer: I couldn't get it to have voice yet |
| 19:28.09 | Macer | lol |
| 19:29.46 | Sicelo | i was talking about ovi maps, yes :) |
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| 19:34.33 | StyXman | Macer: and again, I didn't try that much |
| 19:34.40 | StyXman | very hard* |
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| 19:45.04 | StyXman | Macer: someone just told me how to enable it |
| 19:45.12 | StyXman | someone in #marble* |
| 19:45.42 | StyXman | I'm really not used to pres-and-hold as a context menu |
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| 20:01.50 | Ikarus | I plan on giving it a shot this summer, porting Maemo (actual Maemo, Harmattan, etc are MEH to me) to another phone out of desperation, my N900 died, they can't get me a replacement and used ones are also pretty EOL.... and erm, tried other phones the last few months and the combination of Maemo + landscape hardware keyboard is hard to beat (sorry N9) |
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| 20:02.44 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: :) |
| 20:02.48 | SpeedEvil | Good luck. |
| 20:04.08 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: I'll need it I think |
| 20:04.33 | Ikarus | Droid 2 (or Droid 3 if they managed to get the bootloader worked out by then) is the likely phone |
| 20:05.31 | kerio | a droid 4 will probably be my next phone :( |
| 20:05.36 | SpeedEvil | Here is where I wish there was a nice way to reward people for efforts. |
| 20:05.54 | kerio | and it's going to suck because it's going to be locked down *hard* |
| 20:05.57 | SpeedEvil | A systematic way, I mean. |
| 20:05.58 | kerio | in the best motorola traditions |
| 20:05.59 | Ikarus | kerio: hmhm |
| 20:06.19 | kerio | SpeedEvil: some people achieve that through the exchange of something called money |
| 20:06.28 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Sure. |
| 20:06.43 | SpeedEvil | kerio: I mean a systematic way that would work for funding open-source projects. |
| 20:06.44 | Ikarus | thing with Motorola is that the hardware design is not too exotic and as the only one has a good HW keyboard |
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| 20:06.59 | Ikarus | I am sort of forced to go that route |
| 20:07.05 | Ikarus | HTC might be a spare option |
| 20:07.13 | Ikarus | but others are all believers in the way of the iPhone |
| 20:07.15 | kerio | HTC has no recent phone with a physical keyboard :( |
| 20:07.39 | kerio | some days i just want to say "fuck it" and buy an openpandora |
| 20:07.44 | kerio | but it costs waaaaaaaay too much |
| 20:07.50 | kerio | and the specs are kinda meh |
| 20:07.51 | Ikarus | while erm, my primary use of my N900 shows, I need a hardware keyboard |
| 20:08.03 | kerio | Ikarus: fuckin ditto |
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| 20:09.52 | Ikarus | kerio: anyway, Moto according to Android people uses the same interface to the GSM chip and powermanagment for all their phones |
| 20:10.05 | Ikarus | so if I can get it working on Droid 2, porting it to the 3 and 4 would be easier |
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| 20:10.45 | Ikarus | (Droid 2 is a interesting pick, it's unlocked, it's 2x as fast as the N900, while still being OMAP 3 and is only $200) |
| 20:11.58 | SpeedEvil | And in principle, the platform is - sorta - irrelevant. |
| 20:12.04 | SpeedEvil | As once you have the OS bits... |
| 20:12.07 | SpeedEvil | open source |
| 20:12.08 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: correct |
| 20:12.39 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: the real nightmare is going to be implementing csd and the OMAP powermanagment drivers |
| 20:12.46 | SpeedEvil | Joy! |
| 20:12.49 | SpeedEvil | CSD=? |
| 20:12.52 | Ikarus | Moto uses a custom IC for powermanagment of the OMAP |
| 20:12.57 | SpeedEvil | oh dear. |
| 20:13.05 | SpeedEvil | hands Ikarus a bus analyser. |
| 20:13.11 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: just the entire phone call backend |
| 20:13.33 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: I plan on taking apart the motorola binaries for it |
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| 20:14.46 | Ikarus | but in theory, if I can find some circuit diagrams and stick a analyser on it, that might help |
| 20:15.09 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 20:15.42 | Ikarus | but I hope to make do with just poking around the binaries |
| 20:15.48 | Ikarus | oh and patching them to do some logging |
| 20:16.06 | SpeedEvil | is depressed with this pointless effort. |
| 20:16.17 | SpeedEvil | I mean - of course it's in principle useful. |
| 20:16.25 | SpeedEvil | But there are so many platforms. |
| 20:16.56 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: agreed |
| 20:16.56 | SpeedEvil | just wants a few billion to develop a perfect phone. |
| 20:17.06 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: but your perfect phone is not mine sadly |
| 20:17.37 | SpeedEvil | My ideal phone would be pretty much a CPU core, that's trimmable with different shells. |
| 20:17.47 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: ie, gumstix ? |
| 20:17.50 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 2 or 3 CPU cores. |
| 20:17.51 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 20:18.02 | SpeedEvil | I mean a IP design. |
| 20:18.06 | SpeedEvil | And a way to source parts. |
| 20:18.08 | Ikarus | aah, right |
| 20:18.28 | SpeedEvil | So that it was plausible for people wanting to make 5K phones to get the 'hard part' done. |
| 20:18.53 | SpeedEvil | For example, provide a service to design the 3G modem part on the board, and supply the chips |
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| 20:21.08 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: but seriously, for me it's just a way to get a phone that works the way I want it, soon |
| 20:21.14 | Ikarus | dreaming is nice, but meh |
| 20:21.30 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 20:21.34 | Ikarus | I'd love a N950 for example, it fit all my requirements, you just can't get them |
| 20:21.46 | Ikarus | hence I'm picking something I can buy now, cheap and in bulk |
| 20:21.52 | Ikarus | that has a proven hardware design |
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| 20:30.29 | Ikarus | SpeedEvil: oh, on getting paid for ideas like this |
| 20:30.39 | Ikarus | I might be able to spin it into ETCS for my BSc :) |
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| 21:30.18 | SpeedEvil | Ikarus: :) |
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| 22:25.55 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 22:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: pong |
| 22:28.01 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: do you know if an internal hard disk can be exposed via usb? |
| 22:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | mass storage mode? |
| 22:28.32 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: My tv has a usb port and it can write to a usb disk |
| 22:28.39 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 22:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, what's the question exactly? |
| 22:29.28 | trumee | i was wondering if i can connect my computer usb to the tv's usb |
| 22:29.41 | trumee | and use computers internal harddisk. |
| 22:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | hardly, as your computer has a USB host, no peripheral |
| 22:30.27 | trumee | right, that is what i wanted to know. so there is no way to go about this? |
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| 22:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | there are way, but you don't want to do this |
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| 22:30.58 | freemangordon | trumee, ping |
| 22:31.04 | trumee | freemangordon: pong |
| 22:31.45 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: does it involve hardware mod? |
| 22:31.47 | freemangordon | I will need a couple of minutes to build a (hopefully) fixed kernel, is there any chance you to test it |
| 22:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | or expensive kinky adapters |
| 22:32.32 | trumee | freemangordon: ran out of time today, but can do it tomorrow. |
| 22:32.47 | freemangordon | ok, will post a link on KP thread |
| 22:33.17 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: any guide or links will be usefull |
| 22:33.26 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: or even google search term |
| 22:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: forget it, not worth the effort and expense |
| 22:33.56 | dhbiker | DocScrutinizer: i'm already studying/reading all that stuff |
| 22:33.56 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ok |
| 22:33.58 | dhbiker | :> |
| 22:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | your best "adapter" is an external USB HDD |
| 22:34.53 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: right. |
| 22:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | there are USB host2host adapters, to link two PCs together, but they use expensive MCU driven mini peripheral-proxy inside, and need special drivers on both hosts |
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| 22:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | AFAIK there are some SATA adapters that allow firewire and USB semi-concurrently |
| 22:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | there might also be automatic USB mux switches, that expose the peripheral to the USB host that first does some ENUM |
| 22:39.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the pointers |
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| 22:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | you will not be happy with any of those |
| 22:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | get a el-cheapo USB HDD |
| 22:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | and move it between PC and TV |
| 22:40.56 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: well my mythtv box is setting next to the tv. it has lot of harddisk space, i was hoping to use some of it directly with the tv |
| 22:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | well then you actually might consider getting a USB-peripheral adapter card for the mythtv |
| 22:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | or do some hw hacking to mod a USB host card to periph |
| 22:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | you still would need a transparent storage emulator, the thing we are somethimes missing on N900 so we can't access the eMMC internally while it's exposed to USB mass storage |
| 22:45.05 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: cheers |
| 22:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | even if you'd get such a magic driver, I still don't see how your mythtv would learn to flush disk buffers and reread the possibly changed HDD content via filesystem driver |
| 22:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | each filesystem driver always assumes exclusive control over the storage medium |
| 22:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | (except NFS of course) |
| 22:47.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i guess i will stick with an external usb hdd :) |
| 22:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | toldya you don't want to go that path |
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| 22:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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