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| 07:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 07:19.56 | cehteh | morning DocScrutinizer :) |
| 07:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 07:20.21 | RST38h | moorning all |
| 07:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | hey RST38h - what's new over there? |
| 07:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | Putin forbid smoking on the street meanwhile? |
| 07:23.02 | RST38h | Doc: too trivial |
| 07:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, but I'm not fully awake, so bear with me lacking my usual high spirited sarcasm |
| 07:23.45 | RST38h | Doc: that is the problem with people who do not live here - whatever macabre idea of local news they can imagine is going to be too trivial |
| 07:24.13 | RST38h | The reality is so freaking weird that you have to take drugs to approximate it |
| 07:25.38 | RST38h | Like Russian bloggers flashmobbing President Medvedev by associating his name with the tag #pitiful on Twitter and forcing him off the Net for a month |
| 07:26.08 | jonwil | What I want to know is how Russia got so screwed up in the first place |
| 07:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | looong practice |
| 07:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 07:26.39 | RST38h | jonwil: Which point in time do you want to use as "the first place"? |
| 07:26.51 | jonwil | I mean the fall of commuism |
| 07:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, exactly |
| 07:27.05 | jonwil | i.e. how did the fledgling democracy fail so badly |
| 07:27.08 | RST38h | jonwil: You really think that was the first place? |
| 07:27.09 | jonwil | and turn into the mess that it is now |
| 07:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | as if communism was any better |
| 07:27.21 | RST38h | never been a democracy |
| 07:27.45 | RST38h | oligarchy, yes |
| 07:27.56 | RST38h | cleptocracy, definitely |
| 07:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | seems to me Russia been a dictatorship since hundreds of years now, only camouflaged by communism (slow epic fail) and a short excursion to pretended democracy (quick messy fail) |
| 07:29.25 | RST38h | Besides, it is not necessary "bad", .RU is way better off than some other European countries. But it is weird and getting weirder by the week |
| 07:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, heard Belarus is even worse ;-) |
| 07:30.13 | RST38h | Doc: Well, it is a bit more complicated than tha |
| 07:30.24 | RST38h | Doc: For real shit, try Moldova or Georgia |
| 07:30.47 | RST38h | Doc: Outside CIS (but still in Europe), try Albania, Romania |
| 07:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | Hungary closing up lately |
| 07:31.11 | RST38h | Doc: Been to Hungary ~7 years ago, was kinda poor but decent |
| 07:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | now they go all backwards |
| 07:31.52 | RST38h | Doc: And if we include Asia, any of the eastern CIS members will do |
| 07:32.07 | RST38h | Doc: Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan |
| 07:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 07:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | those are less scary to us Europeans though :-) |
| 07:33.41 | RST38h | Doc: That is only because you are conditioned by 70+ years of your own propaganda |
| 07:34.03 | RST38h | actually even more, as russophobia is pretty old European habit |
| 07:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | probably, and by the new gas pipeline thru the sea |
| 07:36.03 | RST38h | Doc: Pipeline or no pipeline, but you visit .RU and it looks more or less familiar, European even (which is not exactly true but anyway) |
| 07:36.05 | jonwil | The biggest problem I have with Russia is the lack of people in Russia who have the power (and the will) to go after those responsible for the massive amount of computer crimes carried out from Russia |
| 07:36.17 | RST38h | Doc: I am not even suggesting that you visit tajikistan |
| 07:36.26 | jonwil | like the distribution of viruses and malware |
| 07:36.28 | jonwil | and the sending of spa |
| 07:36.30 | jonwil | spam |
| 07:36.48 | RST38h | jonwil: May I ask why *you* are having this problem? Does it affect *you* personally in some way? |
| 07:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, there are other countries like e.g. China which are worse that Russia wrt that |
| 07:37.20 | jonwil | It affects me because I end up on the receiving end of the SPAM email, the SCAM emails and the attempted malware attacks |
| 07:37.30 | RST38h | Doc: wrt what? Environment? |
| 07:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | spam, viri... |
| 07:37.47 | RST38h | Doc: ah, that |
| 07:38.04 | RST38h | jonwil: Well, how come it does not affect me? |
| 07:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | you send it out? ;-P |
| 07:38.32 | jonwil | Really though a lot of what I read suggests that the Mafia has the REAL power in Russia |
| 07:38.33 | RST38h | Doc: nope! |
| 07:38.46 | RST38h | jonwil: Of course! |
| 07:38.55 | jonwil | just like big corporations have the REAL power in the USA |
| 07:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | sounds about right |
| 07:40.19 | RST38h | jonwil <-- skipped about 10 years of RU history where the Mafia people accumulated all the property and became the corporate heads |
| 07:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 07:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | and putin their boss, applying same principles to government at large |
| 07:40.59 | RST38h | "Mafia people" have been gone for a very long time |
| 07:41.21 | RST38h | They are all either big business or government members now |
| 07:41.38 | RST38h | Doc: again, probably more complicated than that |
| 07:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | sure, I'm simplifying |
| 07:42.05 | RST38h | Doc: they are "ok" with Putin, there is a consensus, but he is hardly their boss |
| 07:42.29 | RST38h | Doc: Just like american corporates are "ok" with Obama or Romney |
| 07:42.51 | RST38h | Doc: But in US, it is way more refined, US had 100+ years to build and refine its system |
| 07:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | USA is definitely worse for all I can say |
| 07:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 07:43.12 | RST38h | Doc: In RU it is raw and cynical, which usually puts off the Westerners |
| 07:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 07:43.48 | RST38h | Doc: They either do not understand or ignore the sad fact that their own countries are in fact governed by very similar structures |
| 07:44.06 | jonwil | I bet its the same in Russia as it is in USA, its all about the money and how big the bribes accompanying the requests from the big corporations are |
| 07:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | CokaCola took over world governance some 10 to 20 years ago |
| 07:44.24 | RST38h | Well it is not the same, but it is definitely about the same things |
| 07:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | (again simplified) |
| 07:44.47 | jacekowski | jonwil: those attempted malware attacks are done via other infected computers |
| 07:44.50 | RST38h | Doc: Nobody governs the world, it is bullshit |
| 07:44.53 | jacekowski | jonwil: not coming from russia in most cases |
| 07:45.10 | RST38h | Doc: There are interests though |
| 07:45.27 | RST38h | Doc: And these interests have nothing to do with your or my well being |
| 07:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: big business governs the world, almost completely |
| 07:45.35 | RST38h | More or less, yes |
| 07:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | while governments became puppets with a hand up their back |
| 07:46.06 | jacekowski | recent ACTA stuff is a proof of that |
| 07:46.16 | RST38h | Governments and big business are often the same people |
| 07:46.33 | RST38h | Either at the very same time (like in Russia) or swapping roles every now and then (like in the US) |
| 07:46.54 | jacekowski | well, thing is, governments should be like run a big business, but their targets should be slightly different |
| 07:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | ...or in Germany (you know who helped building that pipeline) |
| 07:47.11 | RST38h | Doc: EU in general |
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| 07:47.53 | RST38h | Doc: Which, ironically, makes Belarussia one of the last remaining corners where corporations still have no power |
| 07:48.05 | jacekowski | and china |
| 07:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: the problem with states and gvmts is that there's no shareholder value |
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| 07:48.28 | jacekowski | and mostly arab countries where they have general anarchy |
| 07:48.29 | RST38h | Doc: Yes, it is basically a satrapy, and the satrap has been going nuts lately, but population does not complain much |
| 07:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | on the people |
| 07:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | suddenly occurs he has set a very strange txt into /topic |
| 07:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | "sth is out" was not exactly what I meant to say :-D |
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| 09:46.57 | Sicelo | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 10:23.57 | Shapeshifter | Arch on an n900 ^^ http://dismantle-it.blogspot.com/2011/12/install-arch-linux-on-nokia-n900.html |
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| 10:47.20 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, hi |
| 10:51.50 | Pali | I published second RFC version of bq2415x_charger kernel driver, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156458#post1156458 |
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| 11:08.28 | Sicelo | kewl Shapeshifter :D:D |
| 11:08.36 | Sicelo | Pali: \o/ |
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| 11:13.36 | SpeedEvil | Pali: Interesting. (not read) I'll have a skim when I wake up. |
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| 11:18.39 | bebna | i'm propably to stupid, to use google right. How do i setup c/c++ or python on my n900, to develop gui applications on the devie itself? |
| 11:19.15 | bebna | i only find how to setup the dsdk on win/linux |
| 11:19.23 | bebna | * sdk |
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| 11:24.02 | merlin1991 | Pali: that driver looks great if everything works like in your lkml posst |
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| 12:10.11 | vi__ | holy christ |
| 12:10.13 | vi__ | anyone |
| 12:10.15 | vi__ | ANYONE |
| 12:10.20 | vi__ | TITAN IS BACK. |
| 12:10.34 | vi__ | Yes, THAT Titan. |
| 12:10.50 | vi__ | Pali: Are you there bro? |
| 12:11.00 | vi__ | Pali: holy shit, are you there? |
| 12:11.22 | Pali | I'm here |
| 12:11.40 | vi__ | Pali: The original creator of power kernel has just made a post on TMO. |
| 12:11.50 | vi__ | Pali: he is trying to sell some old n900 stuff. |
| 12:12.21 | vi__ | Pali: if you were not made maintainer of KP, then now is your chance, |
| 12:12.29 | vi__ | ^,/. |
| 12:12.54 | vi__ | Pali: to hassle him to make you the maintainer. |
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| 12:13.08 | Pali | vi__: I'm on list of kernel-power maintainers |
| 12:13.23 | vi__ | Pali: Oh well. |
| 12:13.37 | vi__ | I guesss it is somewhat less exciting then. |
| 12:21.28 | e0x | -_- |
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| 13:12.32 | badcloud | how do i disable sshd at startup? |
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| 13:42.32 | totalizator | how to brows app menu with pages instead of the scrolling method? I'm sure I saw this on some YT vid |
| 13:42.38 | totalizator | browse* |
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| 13:59.38 | crashanddie | totalizator, there's an app for that |
| 13:59.56 | crashanddie | totalizator, the app is catorise IIRC |
| 14:01.03 | totalizator | crashanddie: finally, thanks mate! |
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| 14:21.42 | supertramp | hi |
| 14:21.47 | supertramp | is maemo dead? |
| 14:21.50 | supertramp | :) |
| 14:22.19 | Robot101 | maemo is dead. long live maemo. |
| 14:22.28 | Robot101 | supertramp: from Nokia, yes. they stopped developing it in 2009 when the N900 was released. |
| 14:22.58 | Robot101 | supertramp: there's a community (here - maemo.org - etc) who keep it alive with apps, community updates and a very festive forum on talk.maemo.org :) |
| 14:24.22 | supertramp | nice - so you keep it up-to date and community is developing new packages? |
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| 15:06.48 | plate | ~cssu |
| 15:06.48 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 15:07.18 | plate | procures microSD, proceeds to test NemoMobile |
| 15:07.37 | plate | seeing as i prefer apt and gtk to rpm and qt i'll praobly stick with maemo, but hey |
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| 15:16.37 | Sicelo | has been playing with debian as per elektranox website, using power kernel |
| 15:21.41 | Macer | does meego even run properly on an n900? |
| 15:21.50 | Macer | i'm sur there is SOMETHING That does not function |
| 15:21.52 | Macer | there always is |
| 15:22.12 | plate | always |
| 15:22.21 | plate | afaik rescueOS uses meegos' kernel |
| 15:22.32 | Macer | i haven't tried meego on my n900 in over a year |
| 15:22.41 | Macer | and i am sure it is probably still in the same state it was a year ago :) |
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| 15:22.54 | Macer | with a changlog stating minor fixes which the end user wouldn't even notice |
| 15:23.29 | Sicelo | afaik it can call, which matters to many |
| 15:26.01 | Macer | mkay... that's fine if the phone app doesn't crash a thousand times or if the cams, audio, gps, slider, etc work |
| 15:26.07 | Macer | heh |
| 15:26.11 | Macer | gpu |
| 15:26.12 | Macer | bme |
| 15:26.45 | Macer | i am willing to bet the n900 version is totally screwed |
| 15:27.02 | Macer | and probably abandoned by now... as is every other nxxx |
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| 15:30.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: seen the mail |
| 15:30.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | will answer tonight |
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| 15:30.31 | Pali | ok |
| 15:30.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: :-D |
| 15:30.43 | Macer | http://i.imgur.com/UHKHN.jpg <- The Poor man's batmobile |
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| 15:35.58 | Sicelo | can someone please give me a clue on 2 things wrt bootmenu, (1) now it doesn't show the screen for selecting what to boot .. but it still responds to keypad, and boots selected choice. (2) how do i make BackupMenu co-exist with other items under /etc/bootmenu.d/*? |
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| 15:37.36 | Sicelo | also, (3) is there a way to make bootmenu boot a different kernel from the one used by device normally? |
| 15:37.58 | Sicelo | without using u-boot |
| 15:38.49 | Sicelo | hasn't reflashed his device since he bought it, and likes to keep it that way for now |
| 15:39.20 | Macer | i asked that question before and the simple answer is no |
| 15:40.08 | Sicelo | understood. :P |
| 15:40.08 | plate | just use u-boot |
| 15:40.19 | Sicelo | the first two questions? |
| 15:40.40 | plate | is keyboard open? |
| 15:40.46 | plate | bootmenu only displays if it is afaik |
| 15:40.59 | Sicelo | yes. |
| 15:41.24 | plate | try togglign devmode in flasher |
| 15:41.31 | plate | doesnt seem like the answr, worth a shot |
| 15:41.39 | Sicelo | and i know it loads because i can do keypad down and press enter and os in second line boots |
| 15:41.50 | Sicelo | :/ |
| 15:42.36 | plate | u-boot is grub, and pali has gotten it working pretty well |
| 15:42.59 | plate | er, is like grub, not IS gerub |
| 15:43.06 | Sicelo | i'm aware plate.. but i'll gt there in time :) |
| 15:43.10 | plate | ok |
| 15:43.50 | Sicelo | here's another issue .. maybe u can give direction |
| 15:43.52 | plate | you can merge u-boot and a clasic NOLO kernel boot or sommething |
| 15:43.57 | plate | so it falls back ot normal maemo |
| 15:44.51 | Sicelo | i boot debian, can ssh fine.. gui (e17) starts fine as well, i can calibrate touch-screen via ssh.. but i can't click or type anything |
| 15:44.54 | Sicelo | :/ |
| 15:44.59 | Sicelo | any ideas? |
| 15:46.51 | plate | yeah |
| 15:47.02 | plate | boot into rescueOS or dont start X |
| 15:47.21 | plate | check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /dev/input |
| 15:47.22 | plate | i found all the numbersing changed around |
| 15:47.37 | plate | pancake's xorg.conf was wrong.. |
| 15:47.58 | plate | also grep WW Xorg.0.log and grep EE |
| 15:48.15 | plate | in case the xorg-omap-input or whatever module is missing entirely |
| 15:48.15 | Sicelo | i'll check again. i'm not using pacake's tarball btw |
| 15:48.50 | plate | dmesg | grep input |
| 15:48.51 | plate | too |
| 15:48.57 | Sicelo | i just find it weird that i can calibrate ts fine.. which shows it is correctly recognized and responsive :/ |
| 15:49.05 | plate | and.. you can cat /dev/input/input2 or whatever |
| 15:49.10 | plate | and mes with the stylus.. to figure out which is which if everything else fails |
| 15:49.31 | plate | yrp porblay a number off by one |
| 15:49.37 | Sicelo | wow! good idea that :D |
| 15:49.43 | plate | also make sure the rx51 keymap si specified in xorg.onf |
| 15:49.47 | plate | or special keys will be wonky |
| 15:50.01 | plate | you could even try |
| 15:50.02 | Sicelo | kbd doesn't work at all for now |
| 15:50.04 | plate | X -configure |
| 15:50.08 | plate | && x -config xorg.conf.new |
| 15:50.26 | Sicelo | :( and i'm having to mknod eah node.. as udev doesn't work |
| 15:50.42 | plate | perhaps its smart enough to setup automagically ;) |
| 15:50.43 | plate | doubt it tho, being such an oddball setup |
| 15:50.52 | plate | wait what? sounds fubar |
| 15:50.54 | plate | i used pancake's tarball, an d after apt-gt upgrading, x no longer worked |
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| 15:51.23 | plate | not exactly promising, trunk / sid may be broken someohw |
| 15:51.50 | khertan | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpdos.csail.mit.edu%2F6.824%2Fpapers%2Fcox-tra.pdf&ei=0cciT6-rOom1hAeYgrnkBA&usg=AFQjCNFr0TXXFqR0Q1Cth3WZVmMdKiRGKQ&sig2=x2EgcrO2ogQ0Dhmm6F0CFw < interesting ! |
| 15:51.52 | Sicelo | yeah, me too.. that's why i just stopped using his tarball, and debootstrapped the whole thing afresh |
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| 15:51.58 | khertan | oups ... sorry .... wrong windows |
| 15:52.33 | plate | well, i want a vanilla 3.2 kernel too |
| 15:52.33 | Sicelo | soon as i tried installing e17, i couldn't even chroot into the install, non-stop segfaults |
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| 15:52.37 | plate | since, im sure sid doesnt quite work right on 2.6.28-maemo |
| 15:52.51 | plate | due to API changes, proprietary modules having diff ABI than vanilla drivers, etc |
| 15:52.59 | plate | and i couldnt get 3.2-vanilla booting right |
| 15:53.00 | plate | heh |
| 15:53.14 | Sicelo | :( |
| 15:53.24 | plate | despite http://elinux.org/N900 looking positive |
| 15:54.43 | plate | check http://pkg-n900.alioth.debian.org/kernel/ |
| 15:54.48 | plate | i havent tried any of those yet |
| 15:54.51 | plate | once u-bot is working and i install SDHC i will |
| 15:54.55 | plate | which kernel you try? |
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| 15:55.29 | plate | linux-image-3.1.0-1-omap_3.1.0-1~experimental.1.1_armhf.deb |
| 15:55.33 | plate | 'experimental' |
| 15:55.37 | plate | no shit |
| 15:55.55 | plate | theres a 'debian experimental' repo for /etc/apt/sources.list iirc |
| 15:55.58 | plate | you proably want that |
| 15:56.01 | plate | pkg-n900 channel was basically empty |
| 15:56.17 | Sicelo | i'm just using kp49.. i don't want to play with uboot yet... but i see i'll have to very soon |
| 15:57.38 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.22 | plate | uboot doesnt bite |
| 16:04.33 | plate | n900 is basically unbrickable |
| 16:04.41 | plate | just reflash back to Maemo if all else fails ;0 |
| 16:05.05 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 16:05.48 | Sicelo | my issue is internet bandwidth. i want to avoid reflash as far as possible (yet_ |
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| 16:16.16 | Sicelo | because i don't want to re-download my installed packages.. although i suppose with BackupMenu i could be safe :/ |
| 16:18.09 | Pali | u-boot is flashing into kernel area, so if something happends, you need to reflash only kernel image |
| 16:18.21 | Pali | rootfs will not be touched |
| 16:19.27 | Sicelo | hmmm that's better |
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| 16:56.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, new version of bq2415x_charger which support boost mode is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156614#post1156614 |
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| 17:23.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, thanks |
| 17:23.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | still at work, fixing some patch |
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| 18:20.27 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/27/elop_on_salesmen/ |
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| 18:33.38 | plate | elop lol |
| 18:33.57 | plate | has a post-mortem on nokia been written yet |
| 18:34.03 | plate | like how microsoft took over their board and appointed him |
| 18:35.20 | ds3 | i |
| 18:36.48 | RST38h | fake-n9 is updating! |
| 18:37.04 | RST38h | (and btw, Zune "software" sucks about the same as Ovi Suite |
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| 18:37.36 | plate | fake chinese N9s that run meego/mer/debian?? |
| 18:37.52 | ShadowJK | fake-n9? |
| 18:38.37 | Robot101 | he means a lumia I guess :P |
| 18:40.08 | ShadowJK | why is that a fake-n9, it's completely different? |
| 18:41.38 | Robot101 | the one with the same industrial design? |
| 18:41.53 | ShadowJK | all phones look the same these days? |
| 18:42.04 | fizzie | Not *that* same. |
| 18:42.32 | ShadowJK | it's just a plastic shell :P |
| 18:42.33 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Looks the same, but is not |
| 18:43.26 | ShadowJK | That has actually been one of my annoyances with phones, why they have to change the outsidw all the time so you have to relearn new keyboards each time :/ |
| 18:43.35 | ShadowJK | and get new holders, cases, etc |
| 18:43.50 | ShadowJK | gimme N900 with new internals :( |
| 18:43.52 | RST38h | Zune Suite thingie has no "minimize" or "close" buttons. No titlebar to move it by either |
| 18:44.25 | ShadowJK | i bet it doesn't work in wine :P |
| 18:45.51 | plate | http://nokiainnovation.com/2011/09/fake-n9-aka-super-cottage-running-6-oss/ |
| 18:45.54 | plate | did you buy one of these? |
| 18:46.41 | SpeedEvil | hah |
| 18:48.28 | ShadowJK | Theregister's comment about elop saying sales staff are idiots is kinda true. I remember when i went to hunt down a second N900 for self, all the stores had broken N900s on display :P |
| 18:48.28 | RST38h | ShadowJK: No idea, I am practical and have got Win7 here |
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| 18:49.21 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Elop is the perfect example of http://abaldwin360.tumblr.com/post/11227349032/toocooltobehipster-when-top-level-guys-look |
| 18:49.23 | SpeedEvil | broken=? |
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| 18:50.21 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil; boot looping, lock code activateds so all you ould see was phone asking for code |
| 18:50.37 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 18:54.14 | ShadowJK | RST38h; if it's anything like nokia/ovi suite, you'd want to image the hd first before using, and then restore after use |
| 18:54.30 | ShadowJK | fastest way to get pc performance back :) |
| 18:55.12 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I think this one is more insidious but also less intrusive |
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| 18:55.23 | RST38h | ShadowJK: goes narrower, but deeper into the os |
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| 21:04.36 | plate | so nemo install is painless, but wifi configuration stuff is borked, catch22 with anything further like pkg manager. doesnt appear to be gps/SIP/fm support in the calling UI or Maps (or maybe maps needs network for tiles) |
| 21:05.14 | plate | maep is the best. but i guess it's just a slight tweak of osm-gps-map or so. so thats hould be good once Debian is working.. |
| 21:05.40 | Sicelo | hmm :) |
| 21:06.03 | plate | dmesg has weird errors failing to mount nemo's ext3 rootfs |
| 21:06.05 | plate | on maemo |
| 21:06.16 | plate | and it has mkfs.ext4 but no ext4 module, curious |
| 21:06.20 | Sicelo | chroot? |
| 21:06.37 | plate | so im mkfs.ext3 with maemo's tools to debootstrap.. |
| 21:06.49 | plate | keeping nemo's kernel around, that should be useful, on FAT 3rd partition for u-boot |
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| 21:07.51 | plate | the QT stuff does feel just a slight bit smoother than GTK/Hildon stuff on maemo.. (re http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing ) shame it got Elop'd |
| 21:08.06 | Sicelo | nemo uses which kernel? |
| 21:08.24 | plate | vmlinuz-2.6.37-10.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N900-adaptation-n900 |
| 21:08.50 | Sicelo | nice.. udev should work there, right? |
| 21:08.56 | plate | dont see why not |
| 21:09.03 | plate | nemo mostly worked its just if im going to spend time tweaking |
| 21:09.08 | plate | id proably rather make Arch Linux work nice |
| 21:09.21 | plate | or Debain.. or Gentoo. rather than yet another dsitribution |
| 21:09.54 | plate | wonder how hard haxxing nemo's .xinitrc to launch say, Illume+e17 would be , since its got a functional x server etc |
| 21:10.03 | plate | proably more modern than Maemo.. |
| 21:10.21 | wmarone_ | hop over into #mer and look into building the necessary packages and an image |
| 21:10.30 | plate | afaik nemo is mer, or something |
| 21:10.37 | wmarone_ | nemo uses mer, yes |
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| 21:10.40 | plate | im confused by all the branding |
| 21:10.50 | plate | nemo, mer, meego. maemo.. tizen.. moblin |
| 21:10.53 | wmarone_ | so you can start with the N900 adaptation and changing the packages/post-install scripts |
| 21:11.26 | plate | nemo is 'mer + meegoUX handset UI' or something |
| 21:11.30 | wmarone_ | yes |
| 21:11.32 | plate | so i guess yeah, mer would support other stuff too |
| 21:11.34 | plate | or allow customization |
| 21:11.41 | wmarone_ | mer has no GUI |
| 21:11.56 | wmarone_ | it's entirely geared around adopters to bring their own GUI |
| 21:11.59 | plate | word |
| 21:12.39 | wmarone_ | so yeah, smoku does hildon+gtk3, vgrade does PA for a bunch of stuff, you could do Illume+e17 |
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| 22:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | happy weekend, maemonians! |
| 22:42.48 | dhbiker | same 2 you too :P |
| 22:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | where to buy fresh N900 in unopened original package? |
| 22:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | preferably in the EU, most preferably with qwerty keymat |
| 22:44.57 | ShadowJK | me too |
| 22:45.03 | ShadowJK | (n900 fresh) |
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| 23:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seems I owe you one anyway? Will get 2 or 3 when I can find any, one for you :-D |
| 23:03.13 | dhbiker | i got myself a 2 month old N900 |
| 23:03.22 | dhbiker | with warranty and everything :))) |
| 23:03.41 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 23:04.29 | ShadowJK | You don't owe me anything, but if you can locate a source and obtain one I'd appreciate it and pay for it :P |
| 23:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | on my todo list |
| 23:08.35 | cehteh | dhbiker: nice, but you know, warranty is a joke, you'll not going to get a replacement |
| 23:08.51 | cehteh | (well replacement as in some other phone) |
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| 23:09.27 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: checked amazon? |
| 23:09.35 | dhbiker | cehteh ? |
| 23:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | not yet |
| 23:10.21 | cehteh | dhbiker: nokia has no spares anymore .. since about a year or so |
| 23:10.28 | dhbiker | aww snap |
| 23:10.29 | dhbiker | -.- |
| 23:11.00 | cehteh | so, be careful with yours :) |
| 23:11.09 | dhbiker | so if anything goes worng i'll have to accept some other shitty symbian based phone ? |
| 23:11.15 | dhbiker | wrong* |
| 23:12.14 | cehteh | maybe even worse .. windows phone :P |
| 23:12.20 | dhbiker | omg -.- |
| 23:12.29 | dhbiker | will try to be extra careful |
| 23:12.57 | cehteh | dunno what they offer for exchange currently |
| 23:13.10 | dhbiker | i hope you can get the N9 with extra payment :P |
| 23:13.10 | cehteh | n9? |
| 23:13.19 | cehteh | well i dont want |
| 23:13.30 | dhbiker | meego is just a toy |
| 23:13.32 | dhbiker | xD |
| 23:14.59 | dhbiker | too bad that N950 is not for sale |
| 23:15.01 | cehteh | bada will merge into tizen, surprise, ... i hope my n900 will keep going until samsung comes out with a cool new linux phone with all free software in a few years :) |
| 23:15.21 | cehteh | that now looks more promising than i hoped |
| 23:15.47 | dhbiker | heh |
| 23:15.51 | brooklyn | a fw years? |
| 23:15.53 | cehteh | and nokia gets what they deserved, sorry but their own fault |
| 23:15.59 | dhbiker | true |
| 23:15.59 | brooklyn | rumors are dvices this yr |
| 23:16.04 | cehteh | cool |
| 23:16.13 | ShadowJK | is that SNLP ? |
| 23:16.16 | dhbiker | linux based samsung ? |
| 23:16.18 | ShadowJK | or did they call it slp |
| 23:16.38 | cehteh | dunno, i just read a short announcement but not the whole article |
| 23:16.47 | dhbiker | SLP :P |
| 23:17.09 | cehteh | but samsung always had my highest hopes for the next *free* phone, of course thats to be proven still |
| 23:17.48 | dhbiker | http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/02/samsung-is-backing-linux-slp.html |
| 23:18.17 | cehteh | samsung did already a lot linux stuff |
| 23:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | the raster phone :-D |
| 23:18.42 | cehteh | yep :) |
| 23:19.06 | cehteh | would be a good choice i think |
| 23:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | actually raster been rather quiet lately about "his" phone |
| 23:19.22 | cehteh | NDA .. he needs to have food on the table too |
| 23:19.37 | cehteh | the quieter he is the more is going on perhaps |
| 23:20.07 | cehteh | unfortunally samsung is not 100% buyed into this free software thingy |
| 23:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | nah, he used to drop by here or in #meego every other month, uttering a obscure "stay tuned!" |
| 23:20.26 | cehteh | yes |
| 23:20.41 | cehteh | well i was absent for some time from here :) |
| 23:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | not so the last ~5 moths |
| 23:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | months |
| 23:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster |
| 23:21.40 | infobot | raster <raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 17h 4m 44s ago, saying: 'who knows about next month'. |
| 23:21.40 | dhbiker | well doesnt matter as long as we get another N900 alternative :P |
| 23:21.40 | cehteh | wonders how much samsung has to pay to apple when they cancel all contracts ... |
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| 23:21.43 | brooklyn | he has talked a bunch in #tizen |
| 23:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
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| 23:22.04 | brooklyn | i have a feeling samsung can afford to bankroll plans C-Z if google screws them over on Android somehow |
| 23:22.11 | brooklyn | so who knows how big of a deal it is to them |
| 23:22.42 | cehteh | well without samsung there would be no iSomething at all |
| 23:22.59 | dhbiker | heh |
| 23:24.20 | cehteh | if they kiss apple a goodbye, then they will loose a LOT of money, but maybe they get huge dent in the market too |
| 23:24.38 | cehteh | evil masterplan |
| 23:24.48 | brooklyn | apple has bought so many SoC type companies |
| 23:24.57 | brooklyn | perhaps they could just find someone new to fab their A4/A5 stuff.. |
| 23:25.35 | cehteh | there is a reasons that they didnt do that yet, no one can do it at least in that volume.. and there are other parts as well |
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| 23:31.08 | ShadowJK | Samsung cpu maker is different from Samsung phone maker |
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