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| 08:11.35 | Estel_ | Hi there. |
| 08:12.05 | Estel_ | Does anyone know, how I could bind *left* alt somewhere on N900's hardware keyboard? |
| 08:12.21 | Estel_ | i.e. which symbol to use, when defining alt in rx-51? |
| 08:12.49 | Estel_ | meant code, not symbol. 'lalt' doesn't seem to work |
| 08:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | meta? |
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| 08:17.53 | Estel_ | ? what meta? |
| 08:18.39 | Estel_ | meant this fot ^ DocScrutinizer answer |
| 08:19.49 | Estel_ | I'm trying to achieve alt by rx-51 editing or .xbindkeysrc for "ages". Of course, rx-51 method would be preferred, but any will do. |
| 08:19.59 | Estel_ | I don't quite get what You mean by 'meta'. |
| 08:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | nm |
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| 10:41.14 | Coke | Is it there a maemo port available for the N9? |
| 10:42.44 | X-Fade | Ehm, it is kinda running maemo? :) |
| 10:42.55 | Coke | X-Fade: "kinda" doesn't help me. |
| 10:43.02 | LaoLang_cool | Need a vim73 port to maemo~ |
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| 10:43.16 | X-Fade | Coke: Well what do you need? |
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| 10:44.09 | Coke | X-Fade: rotation zoom, flash, ability to uninstall skype, twitter and facebook apps, ability to use the full system without regitering accounts, etc. |
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| 10:44.57 | X-Fade | Coke: Well the only thing you don't have is flash. |
| 10:45.13 | Coke | X-Fade: no, all the other things I mentioned are also missing. |
| 10:45.50 | X-Fade | Coke: You can remove the icons, and these services don't run by default. |
| 10:45.57 | X-Fade | So I don't know what you want more? |
| 10:46.09 | Coke | X-Fade: I wrote a list just 2 minutes ago |
| 10:46.59 | X-Fade | Whatever :) |
| 10:47.20 | Coke | X-Fade: in order to remove the icons I have to get into developer mode. |
| 10:47.41 | X-Fade | So? |
| 10:48.04 | Coke | I can't do that on my phone for some unknown reason. |
| 10:48.41 | X-Fade | Well, that is a whole other problem then. |
| 10:48.44 | Coke | X-Fade: even so, it says a lot about the design of a system when skype and twitter are considered core packages. |
| 10:48.48 | Coke | Maemo 5 is just better. |
| 10:49.14 | X-Fade | They aren't core in a sense that they get used if you don't enable the accounts. |
| 10:50.20 | Coke | X-Fade: they are core. |
| 10:50.24 | Coke | can't remove the packages. |
| 10:50.28 | X-Fade | But anyway, you should be able to enable developer mode. |
| 10:50.29 | Coke | it is quite insane. |
| 10:50.56 | X-Fade | I wonder why you'd want to remove them though? |
| 10:51.37 | Coke | It says "installation interrupted" |
| 10:51.58 | X-Fade | Which PR? |
| 10:52.03 | Coke | X-Fade: because I don't use them and would like to free up space and not be bothered having unused icons take up desktop space |
| 10:52.07 | Coke | X-Fade: PR? |
| 10:52.12 | X-Fade | Release |
| 10:52.20 | Coke | i dunno, the one that came with the phone |
| 10:53.01 | Coke | default. |
| 10:53.01 | X-Fade | That doesn't tell me anything :) |
| 10:53.07 | Coke | In any case, the big question is WHY I'm not allowed to remove them. Why and who would design the package deps to make core depend on twitter? |
| 10:53.07 | X-Fade | settings -> device should tell you |
| 10:53.58 | Coke | where? |
| 10:54.00 | X-Fade | It is just a way of distributing a fixed set of packages, so you know that everything which gets compiled against your sdk actually is available. |
| 10:54.01 | Coke | its just another menu. |
| 10:54.19 | Coke | X-Fade: I don't think things like twitter should be part of a "core API" |
| 10:54.36 | X-Fade | Coke: Seeting->about product |
| 10:54.39 | Coke | if it is, it should be in the form of libraries that are compact and invisible |
| 10:54.42 | X-Fade | *settings |
| 10:55.03 | X-Fade | What do you need rootfs space for anyway :) |
| 10:55.08 | Coke | meego 1.2 harmattan |
| 10:55.21 | X-Fade | version? |
| 10:55.29 | Coke | X-Fade: it's just really poor design to make high level apps that should be optional part of the core |
| 10:55.43 | Coke | 10.2011.34-1.339.01.2_PR_339 |
| 10:55.55 | X-Fade | Coke: Upgrade to PR1.1 |
| 10:56.11 | Coke | what version do I have now? |
| 10:56.14 | Coke | 339? |
| 10:56.15 | X-Fade | You are running an ancient version |
| 10:56.17 | X-Fade | PR1.0 |
| 10:56.23 | Coke | how can you tell? |
| 10:56.30 | X-Fade | The 10 at the beginning |
| 10:56.52 | X-Fade | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/23/harmattan-version-numbering-explained |
| 10:57.10 | Coke | Yes, why use the actual version string, like PR1.0, when you can obfuscate. |
| 10:57.35 | X-Fade | It also shows you the PR there. |
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| 10:58.07 | Coke | X-Fade: I've never seen a package or version in any linux distribution that need version numbering explained. It's just the number and simetimes a build and/or date.' |
| 10:58.37 | Coke | updating now |
| 11:00.22 | Coke | as for my original question, if it's possible to get Maemo on the N9, I'd still rather have that work. |
| 11:00.33 | X-Fade | It is maemo 6. |
| 11:00.46 | X-Fade | You want maemo 5 back I guess? |
| 11:00.53 | Coke | Ofcourse, it's better. |
| 11:00.53 | X-Fade | Then no, not possible. |
| 11:01.06 | Coke | Maemo 6 is MeeGo? |
| 11:01.39 | kerio | the n9 runs a weird version of maemo6 with a meego ui |
| 11:01.40 | X-Fade | N9 just runs Maemo 5 evolved, so let's call it Maemo 6 :) |
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| 11:02.12 | Coke | X-Fade: devolved |
| 11:02.12 | X-Fade | Marketing might say something different however :D |
| 11:02.21 | Coke | It has less features and is less flexible than maemo 5 |
| 11:02.38 | kerio | i wonder if killing the nokia internet tabled was microsoft's plan all along or if it was just a side bonus |
| 11:02.43 | kerio | *tablet |
| 11:03.08 | Coke | X-Fade: the rotation zoom is way way superior to the two finger pinch |
| 11:03.19 | Coke | X-Fade: I also liked the fact that it was just a deb system on my phone |
| 11:03.39 | Coke | package repos had a good dependency design, it certainly wasnt depending on Twitter |
| 11:03.43 | kerio | well, harmattan still has apt, doesn't it? |
| 11:03.50 | X-Fade | Coke: Yeah, well I just use one fixed finger on the screen and then one to move and it zooms. |
| 11:03.51 | kerio | either that or rpm |
| 11:04.03 | Coke | X-Fade: rotation is superior, period |
| 11:04.07 | X-Fade | Coke: It still uses deb. |
| 11:04.09 | kerio | Coke: buttons are superior |
| 11:04.19 | kerio | and you can do whatever you want with apt, even crappy dependencies |
| 11:04.23 | kerio | or solving sokoban |
| 11:04.46 | Coke | The rotation zoom was the one thing that made iphone users secretly wish they could change one thing with their phone |
| 11:04.58 | kerio | Coke: then why did i disable it? :o |
| 11:05.04 | Coke | no matter how much ppl claim "you can still do a pinch with one hand" it is not as ergonomic and intuitive as the rotation |
| 11:05.12 | kerio | doubletap to zoom is superior, and failing that is buttons |
| 11:05.13 | X-Fade | I just double tap on the paragraph to be honest. |
| 11:05.17 | X-Fade | It then autozooms. |
| 11:05.23 | kerio | and if you're using the n900 with one hand, you're doing it wrong |
| 11:05.26 | Coke | X-Fade: workarounds workarounds. |
| 11:05.41 | X-Fade | Coke: Nah, because that is a lot faster. |
| 11:05.41 | kerio | Coke: no, seriously, spiral to zoom is horrible |
| 11:05.43 | Coke | kerio: for most use cases I am |
| 11:05.49 | Coke | kerio: no, seriously, it's awesome |
| 11:05.59 | kerio | well then clearly it's not as one-sided as you think |
| 11:06.11 | Coke | kerio: well, I know one thing for certain, two finger pinch is worse |
| 11:06.14 | X-Fade | Anyway, time to do some real work, later. |
| 11:06.21 | kerio | Coke: that's why you use *buttons* |
| 11:06.27 | Coke | having to use only one finger is superior to having to use two |
| 11:06.29 | kerio | or doubletapping |
| 11:06.38 | kerio | i wouldn't know about that, i use the keyboard |
| 11:06.46 | Coke | kerio: but you dont need double tap or buttons if you have rotation |
| 11:07.01 | kerio | Coke: except that rotation fucks up my pages when i scroll them |
| 11:07.12 | Coke | kerio: that's no fault of the rotation, it's a software problem |
| 11:07.18 | Coke | the concept of the rotation is still good |
| 11:07.32 | kerio | how do you distinguish a scroll in a circular way from a zooming? |
| 11:07.34 | Coke | kerio: as of late my N900 is doing all sorts of crazy stuff, the screen in particular seems to be failing |
| 11:07.44 | Coke | kerio: what do you scroll circular? |
| 11:07.46 | kerio | Coke: mine is falling apart a bit :( |
| 11:07.53 | kerio | it happened to me more than once |
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| 11:08.02 | Coke | kerio: but I agree that the keyboard is the best feature of any phone |
| 11:08.10 | kerio | Coke: the thing is that even under warranty, nokia won't repair it |
| 11:08.17 | kerio | they just replace it with a worse phone that costs more |
| 11:08.18 | Coke | N9, worse camera, worse battery life, no keyboard and not as good OS |
| 11:08.24 | kerio | so you have to sell that and buy another new n900 |
| 11:08.29 | Coke | kerio: I know |
| 11:08.33 | Coke | this is why I own an N9 |
| 11:08.42 | kerio | i can't stand not having a physical keyboard |
| 11:08.50 | Coke | I didn't even read all the reviews that said "significantly worse than it's predecessor" |
| 11:08.50 | kerio | so i'll just buy a milestone 4 once it's out in europe |
| 11:08.58 | Coke | kerio: what's that? |
| 11:09.05 | kerio | the US' droid 4 |
| 11:09.07 | kerio | motorola |
| 11:09.10 | kerio | android ._. |
| 11:09.16 | Coke | meh, i want a proper Linux so I can run my Python applications on my phone |
| 11:09.34 | kerio | Coke: a dumbphone + an openpandora |
| 11:09.42 | Coke | kerio: I've been looking at openmoko |
| 11:09.51 | kerio | openmoko is too old for any meaningful thing |
| 11:10.46 | Coke | kerio: the only thing I like about the N9 is the color and form factor. I wouldn't mind running pandora on it |
| 11:11.03 | kerio | Coke: i meant the physical openpandora :) |
| 11:11.19 | Coke | kerio: all these geek phones have terrible form factors |
| 11:11.32 | kerio | well it's good, because the openpandora is not a phone :D |
| 11:11.41 | kerio | and the droid 4 is basically a new razr with a keyboard |
| 11:11.47 | Coke | kerio: I would have bought pandora if it had a sim card holder |
| 11:11.55 | kerio | complain to DocScrutinizer for that |
| 11:11.56 | Coke | the workaround was to "use my n900 as a theather" |
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| 11:11.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ;) |
| 11:12.15 | Coke | I would have easily paid $1000 for openpandora if it had 3G capability |
| 11:13.16 | kerio | isn't the omap3530 a bit old nowadays? |
| 11:13.36 | Coke | I don't care about how old something is. The N900 is old, it's still the best phone on the market. |
| 11:13.47 | Coke | And Maemo 5 is still the best phone OS. |
| 11:13.49 | kerio | i'm not so convinced about that |
| 11:13.51 | kerio | specs *do* matter |
| 11:14.11 | g0phette | how is it the best |
| 11:14.21 | g0phette | the best one would be a phone that runs debian/arch/gentoo out of the box |
| 11:14.24 | LaoLang_cool | How about N950? |
| 11:14.29 | Coke | g0phette: the best that exists |
| 11:14.33 | Coke | LaoLang_cool: what is that? |
| 11:14.35 | g0phette | without some hodpodge of massively out of date half-proprietary forks of dbus/ofono stuff |
| 11:14.35 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: go ahead, try to buy one |
| 11:14.46 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: ;p |
| 11:14.59 | Coke | oh, N950, no keyboard and no maemo 5 |
| 11:15.09 | kerio | Coke: no, keyboard |
| 11:15.10 | kerio | :) |
| 11:15.15 | Coke | Does it have? |
| 11:15.16 | LaoLang_cool | Coke: I heard that it's a n9 with a keyboard, only for developer |
| 11:15.26 | g0phette | n9009's kbd is popping bubblewrap compared to iphone's onscreen ease imo |
| 11:15.29 | g0phette | id happly get rid of it |
| 11:15.29 | Coke | Oh. that new OS is still shit tho. |
| 11:15.41 | kerio | g0phette: popping bubblewrap is *good* |
| 11:15.44 | kerio | :3 |
| 11:15.47 | Coke | All I want is a terminal per default, no twitter, no facebook and no skype |
| 11:15.49 | g0phette | theres always bluetooth/usb kbds for srs typing |
| 11:15.59 | kerio | g0phette: FOAD please |
| 11:16.05 | g0phette | FOAD? |
| 11:16.08 | kerio | Fuck Off And Die |
| 11:16.10 | g0phette | provide a dictionary if youre going to suggest suff |
| 11:16.11 | Coke | g0phette: I don't know why the phone OS cant just be like any linux dist. |
| 11:16.15 | kerio | but in a nicer way |
| 11:16.18 | kerio | :) |
| 11:16.33 | g0phette | because big companies and the MBAs at them dont think like us |
| 11:16.37 | Coke | g0phette: all they have to do is make a good WM, no need to fork everything |
| 11:16.43 | g0phette | they saw mobile as a clean slate to tightly couple service stacks and all sorts of new ass-rape |
| 11:16.54 | Coke | g0phette: agreed. I like you. |
| 11:17.25 | Coke | you put things down so elegantly |
| 11:17.48 | Coke | I would describe apple as "ass-rape" and to me, the N9 is Nokia's way of trying to immitate iphone. |
| 11:18.49 | Coke | also, I'm pretty sure it's the same old packaging on the N9 as it was on the N900. Still takes way too long to install and upgrade packages. |
| 11:19.00 | Coke | (it was the only downside w maemo 5, the packaging took forever) |
| 11:19.12 | kerio | well apt is not exactly an example of speed |
| 11:19.13 | burro | hrm, n900's flash is slow |
| 11:19.18 | burro | apt-get is insanely fast on a JB'd ipad |
| 11:19.22 | burro | it feels like desktop speeds |
| 11:19.26 | burro | sad as it is :/ |
| 11:19.47 | Coke | actually, apt is slow compared to other packaging ive tried |
| 11:19.53 | burro | i prefer PAludis |
| 11:19.57 | burro | or pacman.. |
| 11:20.05 | burro | actually, theres 'packer', which is faster than yaourt & pacman |
| 11:20.10 | Coke | yast and apt are the slowest I've tried. pacman is cool |
| 11:20.24 | Coke | it has a bit of an upstart time scanning local packages, but once thats done its fast |
| 11:21.01 | burro | kerio: i hit wrong keys a ton on iphone, but never on n900 |
| 11:21.10 | burro | i was sorta joking abotu HW kbd. id take anything that ran Debian/Mer anymore |
| 11:21.29 | Coke | I was so looking forward to the four row qwerty keyboard |
| 11:21.46 | Coke | I outtype anyone using two thumbs on the 3-row, so I can only imgagine how fast i would type on the 4 row |
| 11:21.47 | burro | how many N950s do you think are made, 10,000 ? |
| 11:22.00 | burro | it seems like 1000 would be a bare minimum |
| 11:22.05 | burro | and only 250-300 are accounted for? |
| 11:22.16 | kerio | they're still not going to sell them |
| 11:22.23 | kerio | they want you to buy w7 phones |
| 11:22.44 | burro | its in MSFT's contract you cant do open bootloaders with W7 phones |
| 11:22.50 | burro | so we can forget about harmattan on any of them etc |
| 11:23.02 | Coke | burro: I think you can pretty much forget about Nokia altogether |
| 11:23.11 | burro | yep |
| 11:23.15 | Coke | Nokia had a chance to get into the niche geek market, but htey blew it |
| 11:23.21 | burro | i have more hope for a 5" ARchos G9 series and Mer |
| 11:23.28 | burro | there was a 4.3" archos at one point, hopefully its updated |
| 11:23.36 | Coke | Instead they are trying to immitate Apple, which will fail because anybody who thinks they want an iPhone really only wants an iPhone, not a Nokia with win. |
| 11:23.39 | burro | already due to T-mo caps i ended up goin 4G mifi and VOIP |
| 11:24.02 | burro | and normal users want "Apps" |
| 11:24.25 | burro | dont even have hope for Tizen, since it would need an Android emulator |
| 11:24.30 | burro | and why not just run normal android tat that point |
| 11:25.01 | burro | well, i have hope that perhaps Tizen's kernel could run non-HTML5 stuff like GTK/QT apps from OpenMoko/Maemo |
| 11:26.34 | Coke | Looks like the N950 was replaced by the N9 as a product. |
| 11:26.56 | burro | n9 was 500 on amazon last i checked, originally 699ish |
| 11:27.02 | burro | maybe theyll blow out for 1/2 that soon |
| 11:27.23 | burro | how bad is Harmattan? its still Xorg or QT right to framebuff? |
| 11:27.47 | Coke | burro: I don't know about it's graphical backend, but Harmattan is shit. |
| 11:30.01 | Coke | burro: if I could get a terminal up I could tell you. However, the Maemo 5 window system is much better. |
| 11:30.09 | petteri | harmattan is best :) |
| 11:30.13 | petteri | loving my n9 |
| 11:30.40 | burro | im sick of unable to upgrade stuff on maemo to debian-sid levels of freshness |
| 11:30.54 | burro | due to the birdsnest-interconectedness of dbus/pulse stuff and proprietary bits |
| 11:31.05 | burro | i am sure n9 would be the same story, no thanks |
| 11:31.27 | Coke | burro: yeah, I'd like to see a clean dist used on the phoens. |
| 11:31.51 | Coke | When you start your phone the first time you only get a blank X11 (or wayland) desktop, nothing else |
| 11:31.55 | burro | its simple , donate your drivers to vanilla linux. use matchbox or illume, dont push 'differentiation' |
| 11:32.00 | burro | eveyrone wants to 'differentiate' |
| 11:32.08 | burro | how about.. conform.. to the trunk |
| 11:32.24 | petteri | heheh, there would be like you two using that kind of phone |
| 11:32.51 | petteri | and eventually you would get and support IRC channell full of whiners anyway |
| 11:33.23 | Coke | there's a market for geek stuff. |
| 11:33.36 | Coke | and yes, the market for iphone-immitations is bigger, but iphone already exists. |
| 11:34.33 | petteri | yes, i am geek, using N9 and don't have iphone :) |
| 11:34.37 | Coke | petteri: I can't even get a terminal on my N9 |
| 11:35.03 | petteri | Coke: i got on mine, was not really that hard |
| 11:35.25 | Coke | petteri: you need developer mode to get it and unfortunately my phone does not allow me to use developer mode for some unknown reason |
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| 11:36.03 | petteri | Coke: maybe you should ask for replacement |
| 11:36.05 | Coke | and because the N9 is designed for idiots, the error message is simply "installation interrupted". no need to tell why, the normal user wouldnt use developer mode anyway |
| 11:36.20 | Coke | petteri: replaced with what? |
| 11:36.23 | kerio | Coke: reflash and try again |
| 11:36.27 | petteri | Coke: with working one |
| 11:36.43 | kerio | petteri: a working one involves maemo 5 and a physical keyboard |
| 11:36.51 | burro | heh |
| 11:36.53 | Coke | yes indeed |
| 11:37.09 | Coke | but even the few few functions that the N9 has (compared to N900) don't work properly |
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| 11:38.12 | petteri | just suggested that you should return if you have faulty one |
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| 11:58.47 | Coke | petteri: I'm going to call them as soon as lunch is over |
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| 13:40.44 | badcloud | anyone know how to import multiple recipes from website into pyrecipe? |
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| 14:35.57 | badcloud | has anyone here used pyrecipe? I'm trying to import multiple recipes |
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| 14:58.51 | edheldil | badcloud: it uses sqlite database, so I think you could always write a simple import script |
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| 15:12.10 | jonwil | hi |
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| 15:23.07 | badcloud | edheldil: thanks |
| 15:28.55 | jonwil | damn this QT code is hard to understand |
| 15:30.20 | jonwil | all this signals and slots and transitions and stuff |
| 15:30.38 | jonwil | I wonder how relevant the QT book sitting on my bookshelf is to all this... |
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| 15:52.05 | badcloud | edheldil: you don't happen to know any mastercook/mealmaster/krecipe file archives, do you? |
| 15:53.23 | edheldil | nope, sorry |
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| 17:01.32 | RST38h | North Korea is holding a 100-day-long "mourning period" for the late madman Kim Jong-il. Part of the festivities include a cell phone moratorium, transgressors against which "will be branded as 'war criminals' and punished accordingly," The Telegraph reports. |
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| 17:28.08 | edheldil | RST38h: In North Korea, cellphone brands you! |
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| 17:32.09 | dreamer | hi all, I'm trying to install skype on my n900. I couldn't find it in the app-manager, but with apt-cache I see skype-installer. Trying to install this I get: E: Handler silently failed |
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| 17:32.52 | jonne | isn't skype installed by default? |
| 17:33.07 | beford | but skype should be preinstalled |
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| 17:33.32 | dreamer | I thought so as well, but I don't see it in the application menu |
| 17:35.06 | dreamer | btw, I sent my n900 back to nokia once for a hardware issue and they reflashed it. maybe they flashed a version without skype? |
| 17:37.21 | edheldil | dreamer: you don't see it in menu, it launches when you call skype contact, for example |
| 17:37.32 | Raimu-X | AFAIK Skype isn't an application on n900, it's a protocol in the instant messaging app. |
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| 17:37.57 | dreamer | hmmm |
| 17:38.06 | dreamer | how can I log in to skype then? |
| 17:38.10 | dreamer | or add a contact? |
| 17:38.18 | edheldil | Ad an IM account |
| 17:38.26 | edheldil | in config |
| 17:38.41 | Raimu-X | dreamer: Add a Skype IM account through the ... yes, the spanner-iconed settings menu. |
| 17:38.46 | edheldil | then you can add skype names for your contacts as well |
| 17:38.55 | jonne | skype-installer is installed on mine, fwiw |
| 17:39.12 | jonne | apt-cache search skype |
| 17:39.17 | jonne | do you see it? |
| 17:39.21 | dreamer | ah, I see it now :) |
| 17:39.33 | dreamer | jonne: I don't think it's installed |
| 17:39.38 | dreamer | I don't know |
| 17:39.45 | dreamer | but I see skype as a service in the settinngs |
| 17:39.46 | jonne | is it listed in IM accounts and stuff? |
| 17:39.53 | jonne | yeah, that's what you need |
| 17:40.12 | jonne | skype isn't a seperate app on the n900, it's fully integrated with everything else |
| 17:40.17 | jonne | pretty sweet, actually |
| 17:41.28 | jonne | i wish they did the same thing on desktop Linux, instead of having their full app |
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| 17:42.05 | Raimu-X | Is it as bad on desktop Linux as it is on Windows? |
| 17:42.41 | jonne | i don't have a webcam so i haven't used it a lot, but it's got its own tray icon and stuff |
| 17:42.56 | jonne | and it's pretty ugly |
| 17:42.57 | dreamer | I should put my skype password in my keepass, I never use it and always forget -_- |
| 17:43.45 | jonne | there's ways to make a bridge between skype en empathy on the desktop too, but i never looked into it |
| 17:43.54 | jonne | i just use the n900 for skyping |
| 17:44.46 | jonne | i'm waiting for confirmation that the N9 will get skype video calling before i buy it |
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| 17:47.36 | dreamer | hmmm, so how do I make a video call? |
| 17:47.48 | jonne | open the contacts app |
| 17:47.59 | jonne | your skype contacts should be in there |
| 17:48.11 | dreamer | ok, check |
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| 17:48.27 | jonne | protip: you can sort your contacts by availability, and it doubles as a buddy list |
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| 17:49.58 | dreamer | jonne: check, thnx :) |
| 17:50.07 | dreamer | no idea if the video chat will work .. |
| 17:50.13 | jonne | it works |
| 17:50.22 | dreamer | well, it doesn't check with the test call ;) |
| 17:50.24 | jonne | but the front camera is pretty shitty |
| 17:50.28 | dreamer | uhuh |
| 17:50.48 | dreamer | well, a friend is going to call tonight, and I think he has some mail and stuff .. I think the screen will be a tad too small ;) |
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| 17:52.36 | jonne | skype can also do international calls for less money |
| 17:53.14 | jonne | buy skype credits, and you can call regular numbers over skype |
| 17:53.23 | dreamer | I know what skype is |
| 17:53.32 | jonne | i mean skype on maemo |
| 17:53.36 | jonne | supports it too |
| 17:53.43 | dreamer | well, I'm guessing it's the exact same thing |
| 17:53.48 | dreamer | just differently intergrated |
| 17:53.59 | dreamer | it's pretty nice I must say. although a separate contact list would've been better |
| 17:54.00 | jonne | some stuff isn't supported, like conference alling |
| 17:54.05 | jonne | *calling |
| 17:54.06 | dreamer | ok |
| 17:54.13 | dreamer | that's a little unfortunate |
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| 17:58.36 | dreamer | jonne: can you only sign uit in the settings? |
| 17:58.55 | jonne | not sure what android and iOS' implementations suppor |
| 17:59.02 | jonne | yeah |
| 17:59.39 | jonne | not really practical if you want to sign out often, i just leave all my IM stuff on |
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| 19:50.00 | Estel_ | Hi Maemo |
| 19:50.30 | Estel_ | Does anyone know, how to map *left* alt to some button in N900'*s hardware keyboard? |
| 19:51.07 | Estel_ | I'll be satisfied with either rx-51 editing or .xbindkeysrc, but of course, rx-51 is preferred |
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| 19:51.53 | Estel_ | I have no idea where to check syntax of left alt accepted in rx-51 mapping file |
| 19:52.12 | Estel_ | that would not result in errors after setxkbmap * |
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| 20:13.39 | Raimu-X | Oh, for the love of f*#@ |
| 20:14.03 | Macer | er |
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| 20:21.38 | x29a | wonna kick him? |
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| 20:30.16 | NIN102 | sigh, kick this guy |
| 20:30.44 | vi__ | who, me? |
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| 20:31.41 | NIN102 | no. |
| 20:33.19 | vi__ | is speedpatch any good? |
| 20:33.31 | vi__ | i heard it can make more batteries |
| 20:33.43 | jonne | i installed it, along with batterypatch |
| 20:33.52 | jonne | don't notice a huge difference, tbh |
| 20:34.03 | jonne | YMMV with those things |
| 20:38.36 | Raimu-X | *snort* |
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| 21:24.51 | eichi | I'm searching for a headset, which works good with n900 maemo5 |
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| 21:26.06 | vi__ | na701 works quite well |
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| 21:27.45 | jacekowski | either original n900 headset if you want buttons to work |
| 21:27.49 | jacekowski | or any other headset |
| 21:28.32 | guly | bh-101 just works |
| 21:29.28 | NIN101 | doesn't |
| 21:29.35 | NIN101 | (bad joke) |
| 21:31.08 | guly | :) |
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| 22:41.09 | Macer | python in a nutshell... |
| 22:41.53 | Macer | http://udp.soup.io/post/198224945/Image |
| 22:42.40 | Macer | http://i.imgur.com/4wDh6.png |
| 22:42.45 | Macer | bigger |
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| 22:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | batterypatch? isn't that the big hoax? |
| 22:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | there's been this guy who did insane things like evacuate sqlite db etc, and claimed it would make your N900 300% faster and user a tenth of batery, alas nobody except him could understand *how* it would do that |
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| 23:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | maemo's ramdoubler (C)Kim Schmitz |
| 23:07.09 | Macer | lol |
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| 23:11.45 | Saviq | hey everyone, just got a N9 and maemo.org helped me a lot already, thanks |
| 23:12.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:13.16 | Saviq | have one issue, though - tried flashing a non-branded Central Europe version of PR1.1, as of course the branded one is PR1.0 and no update |
| 23:13.30 | Saviq | flasher went fine, but nothing changed in the phone? |
| 23:13.56 | Saviq | any ideas? I've cleared the phone now (via the "clear" option in settings) |
| 23:14.08 | Saviq | waiting for it to clear now (15 minutes, btw? wth?) |
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| 23:18.07 | mgedmin | dunno what the 'clear' options does |
| 23:18.20 | Saviq | mgedmin, it's supposed to clear out all user data |
| 23:18.23 | mgedmin | but flash secure erase can take 20-30 minutes with th eflasher |
| 23:18.26 | Saviq | i.e. factory state |
| 23:18.34 | Saviq | maybe that's it |
| 23:18.58 | mgedmin | incidentally there's also #9 and #harmattan |
| 23:19.01 | Saviq | it just tries to _really_ get rid of the data |
| 23:19.02 | mgedmin | err #n9, I meant |
| 23:19.49 | Saviq | thanks mgedmin, just came to the first place where I knew I would find some friendly souls |
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| 23:20.18 | mgedmin | I'm not actually paying a lot of attention to these things |
| 23:20.26 | mgedmin | but #harmattan seems to be more alive than #n9 |
| 23:20.50 | mgedmin | and people rarely discuss the N9 in #maemo (maybe they don't want to make other people envious? ;-) |
| 23:21.49 | Saviq | probably quite some people have them here, and the N950s |
| 23:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe it's common sense that N9 has harmattan which is less of maemo than meego ever been |
| 23:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think the main reason for an own channel for harmattan is that you don't have to repeat in each post "this is about harmattan, NOT about fremantle" |
| 23:26.05 | Saviq | might be |
| 23:26.43 | Saviq | thanks anyway, seems it upgraded fine in the end |
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| 23:33.31 | mgedmin | to me harmattan still feels like maemo, although officially it's been renamed |
| 23:34.04 | Saviq | mgedmin, yeah, kind of why I came here and to maemo.org |
| 23:34.21 | Saviq | especially now that meego is officially scratched, the maemo community seems to be the only future for harmattan |
| 23:34.22 | mgedmin | to people who have to port their hildon/gtk apps it may feel different |
| 23:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | maemo community harm's future? bwahahaha |
| 23:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | to people using xterm it surely feels different |
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