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| 00:04.43 | bindi | argh |
| 00:04.48 | bindi | how do i clear my installed apps space? |
| 00:05.58 | bindi | flashed my device, says there's 96 MB free |
| 00:06.00 | bindi | need more for CSSU |
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| 01:29.36 | Anthony | Can anyone help me? I want to use Anki Flash card study tool. I am considering purchase of Maemo tablet for that purpose but I have some questions about it. |
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| 01:35.37 | Anthony | How easy is it to upgrade n800 from os2008 to Diablo? |
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| 02:21.00 | bindi | what's that tweak for adding hw acceleration for menus? |
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| 03:23.29 | lolcat` | Hmm |
| 03:25.44 | lolcat` | The N900 I want to buy was bougth for $774, so if they can't fix the charger port twice I will get it fixed |
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| 03:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | lolcat`, USD? |
| 03:41.13 | lolcat` | yes |
| 03:42.11 | lolcat` | I can purchase it for $302 so I can do a bit better than doubling my money |
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| 04:10.06 | ebzzry | Hi! Is it normal for the second CSSU update listed in HAM (200+KB) to not continue, after installing the first one (more than 10 MB)? |
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| 05:21.16 | AndrewX192 | "I don't want salted data (for some OCD reason) but I want it to be crack proof (at least for a while)." |
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| 05:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | a happy new year of the dragon to all Chinese users! :-) |
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| 09:30.48 | fredddd | Robot101, how do I remove the package that I installed a while back to test for you? |
| 09:31.08 | fredddd | libloudmouth1-0_1.4.1-0osso10.1_armel.deb |
| 09:31.55 | fredddd | Or if anyone else knows? I recently installed that package through dpkg, how do I remove it now? |
| 09:31.57 | SpeedEvil | bindi: md5sum |
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| 11:43.06 | peb | Hi folks, anyone using cron-tasks on his n900? |
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| 11:43.42 | peb | s /tasks/job/ .... sorry for that |
| 11:44.31 | khertan | peb, nope i m not sure it s available, even it s recommanded to use alarmd , so take a look at alarmed |
| 11:45.24 | peb | khertan, thanks for that hint. I was reading something about fcron, but the info on that is from Aug 2010 ... somehow dated. |
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| 19:31.10 | freemangordon | ping trumee |
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| 19:38.19 | Estel_ | guly, ping? |
| 19:39.05 | trumee | freemangordon: pong |
| 19:39.36 | freemangordon | trumee, are you developer? |
| 19:39.44 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping? |
| 19:39.53 | trumee | freemangordon: not really :) |
| 19:39.57 | Estel_ | freemangordon, any news on alternate repo? |
| 19:40.14 | trumee | freemangordon: what info do you need? |
| 19:40.36 | freemangordon | Estel_, latest from DocScrutinizer is that he withdraws his offer to host the repo AFAIK |
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| 19:40.48 | Estel_ | ?!? any reasons? |
| 19:40.55 | freemangordon | trumee, I was hoping you can build the kernel fit DEBUG BT subsystem |
| 19:41.12 | Estel_ | no problem, we can do it other way, but some rationale would be great |
| 19:41.30 | freemangordon | Estel_, look at the logs from previous week |
| 19:41.35 | Estel_ | oh god |
| 19:41.48 | Estel_ | any keywords for search? |
| 19:41.53 | Estel_ | "repos"? |
| 19:42.10 | trumee | freemangordon: i have scratchbox setup here with kp49 sources. How do i build BT with debug? |
| 19:42.23 | Estel_ | I haven't been on irc due to time limitations, and reading through whole logs is pita. Damn irc :P |
| 19:42.59 | Estel_ | screw that, if he doesn't want, no prolblem. Will try alternatives. Sorry for bothering You, but guly is still intersted in sysadmining? |
| 19:43.16 | trumee | freemangordon: if syslog is going to help, i can set that up on N900 |
| 19:43.19 | freemangordon | Estel_, Tuesday or Wednesday, not sure. july wants to help, yeah |
| 19:43.30 | Estel_ | at least, logs from maemo-ssu or maemo? |
| 19:43.34 | Estel_ | thanks... |
| 19:43.37 | freemangordon | trumee, don't think so, give me a couple of minutes |
| 19:43.45 | trumee | freemangordon: sure |
| 19:43.57 | freemangordon | I will try to find a patch to enable DEBUG BT |
| 19:44.13 | freemangordon | I've done it already, just need to find it :D |
| 19:47.43 | Estel_ | ok, foun that |
| 19:47.48 | Estel_ | thanks freemangordon |
| 19:47.52 | freemangordon | np |
| 19:48.14 | Estel_ | to be honest, reading through this log and DocScrutinizer irrationale behavior, I thinks it's bettr that he woin't be hosting it anyway |
| 19:48.42 | Estel_ | I'm in touch with SD69, I hope guly work wasn't too host-oriented |
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| 19:53.48 | freemangordon | trumee, I cannot find the patch file to compile BT with DEBUG messages enabled, so I will need to make a new one. Unfortunately it will take a while (read won't happen today). I will PM you patch when I am ready , but expect it by the and of the week, have very busy program these days :). |
| 19:53.48 | Estel_ | I know that CSSU problems are "kinda" solved already, but KP problems aren't. |
| 19:54.24 | freemangordon | Estel_, yeah, BT bug and wifi bug must be smashed before moving KP to CSSU |
| 19:54.27 | trumee | freemangordon: thats fine. do you own a Nokia BH-214? |
| 19:54.41 | Estel_ | also, mirroring repos is quite important for other aspect, yes? At least the community ones, for ,start |
| 19:55.43 | freemangordon | nope, if i have one I will debug it myself. My BT headset works though(platronics). |
| 19:55.58 | freemangordon | trumee ^^^ |
| 19:56.33 | trumee | freemangordon: no worries. let me know once you find a patch. |
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| 19:57.42 | freemangordon | Estel_ , I think my position was clear, i.e. I would prefer to stay with Nokia and maemo.org if possible. And excluding OVI keys and KP repo case I am not aware of any outstanding problems. |
| 19:58.05 | freemangordon | And KP problem will resolve itself once KP is part of CSSU |
| 19:58.42 | freemangordon | The point is we are not on a hurry right now ;) |
| 19:58.55 | Estel_ | Well, You can talk for nokia repos (community ones) stability? |
| 19:59.06 | Estel_ | today, cssu problem is solved, but by mohammad, not nokia |
| 19:59.17 | Estel_ | Xfade told some bullshit about errors in cssu repos |
| 19:59.22 | freemangordon | Well, it was not Nokia to create it |
| 19:59.23 | Estel_ | promised to fix it in few days |
| 19:59.35 | Estel_ | and of course no action was took |
| 19:59.50 | Estel_ | generally I agree |
| 20:00.03 | Estel_ | yet, I think it's better to act when there is no hurry |
| 20:00.09 | freemangordon | AIUI X-Fade said he will look after the issue by the end of the January |
| 20:00.17 | Estel_ | than doing only "lifesavers" when thinks go bad again |
| 20:00.25 | Estel_ | another issue |
| 20:00.32 | Estel_ | KP was meant to be first |
| 20:00.44 | Estel_ | BTW i don't belive this "errors" in cssu repos |
| 20:00.51 | Estel_ | do You eperience them?:) |
| 20:01.10 | Estel_ | judging by logs from last irc meeting, it's so severe, it alnost should not work at all |
| 20:01.17 | freemangordon | Estel_, the errors in question were not in CSSU repo |
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| 20:01.27 | Estel_ | sounds like poor-man excuse for not assigning 2nd maintainer |
| 20:01.30 | freemangordon | *are not |
| 20:01.34 | freemangordon | nope |
| 20:01.42 | freemangordon | the problem is with the keys |
| 20:01.43 | Estel_ | hm, ASIU from logs, he told it also about CSSU |
| 20:01.48 | Estel_ | hm |
| 20:02.01 | Estel_ | ok, maybe it's me that missunderstood it |
| 20:02.04 | freemangordon | I do not get it that way, only extras-... |
| 20:02.26 | Estel_ | well, 7 months is more than enough to look into issue |
| 20:02.35 | freemangordon | so, CSSU maintainership problem is with the private/public keys |
| 20:02.44 | Estel_ | first 3 months went, when he was rejecting problem existence at all |
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| 20:03.09 | freemangordon | who? X-Fade? don't think so. |
| 20:03.23 | freemangordon | if we are talking about CSSU |
| 20:03.39 | freemangordon | extras-devel is another beer |
| 20:03.52 | freemangordon | And I agree no action was/is taken |
| 20:04.10 | TNZfr | Hi all |
| 20:04.48 | freemangordon | But anyway there is a solution, so there is enough time to setup things in a correct way if Nokia is to shutdoown maemo.org by the end of 2012 |
| 20:04.58 | TNZfr | Question about last update of CSSU few days ago in devel depot : what's inside ? |
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| 20:05.21 | Estel_ | freemangordon, about no action I mean KP now |
| 20:05.23 | TNZfr | didn't find the changelog |
| 20:05.44 | Estel_ | many months without even checking that and requesting Pali to try useless "workarounds" |
| 20:05.53 | Estel_ | then, 4 months of, erm, extensive fixing |
| 20:05.56 | freemangordon | Which I don't believe will happen, too many orphans now |
| 20:06.05 | Estel_ | yet I agree, that there is time |
| 20:06.05 | freemangordon | Estel_, I agree |
| 20:06.23 | freemangordon | But KP is not an issue anymore |
| 20:06.29 | freemangordon | Neither is CSSU |
| 20:06.29 | TNZfr | and an other question about EAP-SIM availability on N900 ? |
| 20:06.38 | Estel_ | I also don't belive Nokia will close it. Of course, there is a chance that Nokia won't exist as Nokia by end of 2012 ;) |
| 20:06.44 | freemangordon | :D |
| 20:06.46 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 20:07.03 | freemangordon | well, it is not funny :( |
| 20:07.27 | TNZfr | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-22/nokia-lumia-sales-seen-topping-1-million-in-respite-for-stock.html |
| 20:07.47 | freemangordon | TNZfr, which mens what exactly? |
| 20:07.51 | freemangordon | *means |
| 20:07.57 | TNZfr | 1.4 million of N9 for 1.3 million of Lumia800 :D |
| 20:08.02 | freemangordon | so? |
| 20:08.11 | TNZfr | freemangordon: which question ? |
| 20:08.12 | freemangordon | lumia is going to save Nokia? |
| 20:08.18 | Estel_ | well, let alone other things, I feel we lose at least part of momentum by sticking with Nokia, but it may be only my personal opinion. Even such small projects like Maliit feel, that they benefit from own infrastructure and independence |
| 20:08.53 | gregoa | TNZfr: cssu changelog: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog |
| 20:08.56 | Estel_ | sticking with sinking ship isn'5 best morale booster :P |
| 20:09.08 | Estel_ | hahaha, +1 gregoa |
| 20:09.18 | freemangordon | Estel_, I don't think there is any problem work on that direction to continue, just want to point we are not on a hurry right now |
| 20:09.37 | TNZfr | gregoa: thanks |
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| 20:10.53 | Estel_ | freemangordon, 100% agree, I'm not "arguing" with You ;) |
| 20:10.53 | freemangordon | Estel_, I meant the direction for Nokia independant repos |
| 20:11.00 | Estel_ | just, well discussing :P |
| 20:11.10 | freemangordon | of course :) |
| 20:11.27 | freemangordon | I am not the negatron man ;) |
| 20:11.41 | Estel_ | I think You're far from one ;) |
| 20:12.08 | freemangordon | Anyway, I have to leave now |
| 20:12.21 | RST38h | So, Estel, how is your progress creating independent repository for the cssu developers? |
| 20:12.38 | freemangordon | bb |
| 20:13.21 | Estel_ | see ya freemangordon |
| 20:13.55 | Estel_ | RST38h, "negatron" word was used and You just showed up. what a "accident" ;) |
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| 20:14.26 | Estel_ | well, DocScrutinizer rejected his offer to host, so my idea is to make micro-fundraise for starting few months of host, and proceed |
| 20:14.44 | Estel_ | as planned. If SD69 accept that, we will start immediately. |
| 20:17.28 | rd | Does anybody know if there are log data from the jabber client (telepathy) on the n900 ? |
| 20:17.49 | rd | I have trouble with azimuth.... |
| 20:18.24 | RST38h | Estel: I see. |
| 20:18.48 | Sicelo | rd: none afaik. your best bet is wireshark, i think |
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| 20:21.52 | Estel_ | RST38h, if You ask me, DocScrutinizer acted irrationaly - rejected his offer after few days, when guly was almost finishing preparations - due to "lack of progress". |
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| 20:22.32 | Estel_ | Well, It was volunteer offer so no rant from my side, but I though he is more... "Stable" with responsible propositios |
| 20:22.42 | Estel_ | meant propositions |
| 20:22.59 | Estel_ | in light for that, it's even better that it turned out so fast |
| 20:23.52 | Estel_ | BTW, it isn't *my* creation of independent repos ;) I just talked few people together. I'm small mouse here ;) |
| 20:25.14 | Sicelo | Estel_: i think toning down your language when talking about others won't hurt. these are people you're talking about, not bots. i'm not saying current situation is fun to see, but there's more 'polite' ways to get things done. |
| 20:25.45 | Sicelo | maybe i'm off-side, but it's how i see it |
| 20:25.57 | Estel_ | Sicelo, our temperaments may wary, IMO I'm using lightest words ;) |
| 20:26.27 | Estel_ | anyway, "irrationale" doesn't seem to be most offdending word in my personal language. |
| 20:26.36 | Estel_ | dictionary, I mean. |
| 20:27.02 | Estel_ | well, maybe translated to other non-english languages it's more offending, IDK. |
| 20:27.53 | Estel_ | anyway, irrational compared to ADHD (*not* used as medical term) seems to be meritocratic opinion. |
| 20:28.19 | Sicelo | i'm scared how u speak when using 'strong' language then .. i also followed ED thread, and u probably remember this post .. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150175&postcount=2513 |
| 20:28.28 | Estel_ | excuse me if You felt offended in any way - it wasn't my purpose |
| 20:29.00 | Sicelo | nope. i am not offended. i just wonder u won't offend others |
| 20:29.17 | MohammadAG | may I ask why we're moving away from Nokia? |
| 20:29.22 | Estel_ | I remember this post, and still don't get WTF, especially, that he didn't answered. |
| 20:29.42 | Estel_ | "he ignored me" doesn't sound like offensive language, either. |
| 20:29.51 | Estel_ | it's rather stating facts. |
| 20:30.16 | Sicelo | Estel_: that's why i used the word, 'toning down' |
| 20:30.35 | Estel_ | I proposed contributing my image, few days passed with many posts from his side without any note about that proposition = he ignored it. No rant. No grief. Just stating fact, without any irony. |
| 20:30.50 | Estel_ | how would You tone "ignored"? |
| 20:31.08 | Estel_ | "probably forget to answer"? |
| 20:31.20 | Estel_ | sounds like neotalking IMO |
| 20:31.41 | Sicelo | i aint going down that path Estel_. i was just making a 'friendly' suggestion |
| 20:32.18 | Estel_ | no problem. I asked also without irony, if You're wondering. I was really curious, what You see offending in "ignored" ;) |
| 20:32.52 | RST38h | Estel_: You talk too much. |
| 20:32.55 | MohammadAG | He sees offending in the way you posted |
| 20:33.10 | MohammadAG | and that ^ |
| 20:33.15 | Estel_ | maybe its some folklore - here in Poland, we had 50 years of "not our" goverment, that was using round words to go around what he wanted to say |
| 20:33.19 | MohammadAG | s/offending/offense |
| 20:34.07 | Estel_ | I agree, that it may sound harsh - sometimes - for western people. Well, I'm sugar-coating some posts, but don't have time for it on regular basis ;) |
| 20:34.20 | Sicelo | i'm african :D |
| 20:34.28 | Estel_ | :) |
| 20:34.39 | MohammadAG | Middle eastern |
| 20:34.55 | Estel_ | Let me guess, Israel? |
| 20:35.17 | MohammadAG | says that on my profile, so I can say you guessed(?) correctly :p |
| 20:35.26 | Estel_ | haven't checked |
| 20:35.28 | merlin1991 | central europe :D |
| 20:36.02 | Estel_ | hm, theoretically I'm also central europe, but like to say "east from west, west from east" |
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| 20:36.13 | Estel_ | which have some benefits, not only cons ;) |
| 20:36.28 | MohammadAG | that can be vertical or horizontal center |
| 20:36.30 | MohammadAG | be specific |
| 20:36.56 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: center center :D |
| 20:36.59 | MohammadAG | you may use Qt::Center in future sentences |
| 20:37.00 | Sicelo | he said Poland ;) |
| 20:37.17 | Estel_ | more honest relationships than regular western (europe) countries, yet more "polished" and structural than eastern(europe)l Of course, it's gneralizing a little. |
| 20:37.33 | MohammadAG | Polished, I see what you did there |
| 20:37.45 | Sicelo | anyone knows how i can get out of non-booting bootmenu without removing battery? |
| 20:37.53 | Estel_ | erm, I hope so, can't find correct word for it. |
| 20:38.16 | Estel_ | Sicelo, tried holding power button for ~10 sec? |
| 20:38.17 | guly | Estel_: i think you should first agree on what you need/want |
| 20:38.24 | Estel_ | hey guly |
| 20:38.26 | MohammadAG | Sicelo, stuff an insulator between the battery + - and the device's |
| 20:38.36 | Sicelo | heh :) |
| 20:38.38 | merlin1991 | lol mag :D |
| 20:38.40 | Estel_ | me? I'm just guy that write much, ask RST38h ;) |
| 20:38.53 | guly | just what a foreigner see :) |
| 20:39.00 | Estel_ | guly -> I'm in touch with SD69(only one qctive council member) |
| 20:40.14 | Estel_ | as You probably know, DocScrutinizer in his (IMO, humble, etc regular sugar coating apply here) irrational decision, rejected hosng |
| 20:40.48 | Estel_ | meant hosting |
| 20:40.49 | guly | yes i know but he also said that a separate repo is not what they need now |
| 20:40.57 | Estel_ | "they"? |
| 20:41.03 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, isn't any "they" |
| 20:41.09 | guly | IIRC merlin1991 and MohammadAG agreed on this |
| 20:41.10 | Estel_ | he is nor CSSU or KP team |
| 20:41.36 | Estel_ | well, if You scrollback a little, we talked it with freemangordon |
| 20:41.41 | Estel_ | it's looking likke that: |
| 20:42.01 | Estel_ | we're not in *hurry*, i.e. everything isn't collapsing around... |
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| 20:42.20 | Estel_ | Yet, it's good to proceed now, because it's better to do such thing peacefuly |
| 20:42.34 | Estel_ | intead of in hurry ;) |
| 20:42.40 | Estel_ | KP need external repos still. |
| 20:42.57 | Estel_ | it can promote out of devel and nokia maintentance isn't acting as it should |
| 20:43.26 | MohammadAG | I fail to see what you want to achieve Estel_ |
| 20:43.29 | Estel_ | KP problem may be solved by moving it to community kernel ("forking"), but it's not to happen very soon |
| 20:43.33 | MohammadAG | KP needs no extra repo |
| 20:43.38 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, see "ask the council" thread |
| 20:43.47 | MohammadAG | KP needs devs to sanitize the package and push to main CSSU thread |
| 20:44.06 | MohammadAG | Pali's doing a great job, but it can't replace the stock kernel as is |
| 20:44.20 | Estel_ | guly, for now, we're wanting CSSU and KP mirror, period. Accounting to roadmap, if it succeed and prove useful, whole repos mirroring. |
| 20:45.07 | MohammadAG | roadmap, ahem |
| 20:45.10 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, moving KP to other name and unifying with CSSU is great, but for repos problem, it's just ugly workaround |
| 20:45.20 | MohammadAG | what repos problem |
| 20:45.34 | Estel_ | erm, You don't seem to be much up to date, yep? |
| 20:45.51 | Estel_ | for almost a year KP can't be promoted out of devel |
| 20:46.01 | Estel_ | 7 months ago it was reported to X-Fade |
| 20:46.08 | Estel_ | and re-reported repeatedly |
| 20:46.22 | Estel_ | for 3 months he was denying problem at all. |
| 20:46.32 | Estel_ | another 4 months, he is "fixing" it. |
| 20:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I don't like to see getiting flames for NOT supplying my own host for a project that's short on elementary things like manpower for maintenance. So your rant is rather contraproductive for your own aims |
| 20:46.38 | MohammadAG | And what's the cssu got to do with this? |
| 20:46.46 | Estel_ | Pali is pissed really |
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| 20:47.03 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, no rant. You had right to reject at any time |
| 20:47.15 | Estel_ | I'm surprised that You did after 4 days |
| 20:47.32 | Estel_ | but, well. Better sooner than later. It's just my personal opinion. |
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| 20:48.26 | Estel_ | MohammadAG, CSSU problem was solved now due to Your action with keys, but it may re-appear in future (no personal attack). Also, other packages have simillar probleml. |
| 20:48.49 | Estel_ | Nokia support for report is non-existant. |
| 20:49.10 | Estel_ | also, sticvking with Nokia The Sinking Ship is quite edemoralizing, wasting momentum. |
| 20:49.13 | MohammadAG | how will it reappear in the future? |
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| 20:49.26 | MohammadAG | I doubt a bus will hit me and merlin1991 |
| 20:49.28 | Estel_ | devs are pissed off, that maintainership request are proceed in like 3 months |
| 20:50.07 | Estel_ | well, it's always better to have community control over repos, than always need to ask someone no"-wo-cooperative (Nokia, X-fade) |
| 20:50.17 | Estel_ | one day, CSSU may fail to upload due to some bug |
| 20:50.32 | Estel_ | happy waiting for 7 months to fix it, like with KP |
| 20:50.57 | Estel_ | Maemo community is maturate enough, for a long time, to self-govern. |
| 20:51.33 | Estel_ | latest meeting with Nokians showed they epic disrespect for Maemo community, council etc. |
| 20:51.40 | Estel_ | read short logs from meeting. |
| 20:52.42 | Estel_ | not to mention that Nokia's left hand doesn't know what right is doing. |
| 20:53.06 | Estel_ | Left hand promised QT-like transfer of Maemo governing including trademarks |
| 20:53.16 | Estel_ | (see "ask the council" again, with sources) |
| 20:53.34 | Estel_ | right hand told us, that it's a no-go |
| 20:53.58 | Estel_ | they're hopeless to cooperate, and much momentum is wasted due to this "partnership" |
| 20:54.20 | Estel_ | lately, they want to unify us with appsformeego shit. Without even asking about opinion ;) |
| 20:54.55 | Estel_ | well, I'm basically re-writing what was said in sources I've pointed You to - thread with Council and logs from meeting with Nokia |
| 20:55.02 | Estel_ | so excuse me for ending here ;) |
| 20:55.33 | Estel_ | BTW, accepted roadmap is also on "Ask the Council" thread, overall discussion is on last few pages (less than 10). |
| 20:56.35 | Estel_ | Overall, there is quite consensus, that we should prepare independent infrastructure. *Not* in haste, but if relations with Nokia went even worse than now, we can always do LibreOffice way. |
| 20:56.47 | Estel_ | Having infrastructure prepared, it's much easier. |
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| 20:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | so goddam prepare your team to drive the infra - *first* |
| 21:01.52 | freemangordon | Hmm, july is right, we need to agree (once again) |
| 21:02.48 | freemangordon | Just a week ago there was an agreement that independent repo is a must. Now it turns that it is a wasted effort. |
| 21:03.02 | Estel_ | just because one problem was fixed, eh? |
| 21:03.06 | Estel_ | with CSSU? |
| 21:03.12 | Estel_ | until nextm appear? |
| 21:03.36 | Estel_ | well, it seems that consensus is still there, just some people lost urgent interest. |
| 21:03.46 | guly | Estel_: i read just now your question and the answer is yes |
| 21:04.04 | guly | but, as i said, i'd like all of you to agree on something |
| 21:04.10 | Estel_ | I see |
| 21:04.11 | guly | even if it's coke/pepsi debate :) |
| 21:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | some people never got urgent interest in a separate hardware, just in co-maintainers |
| 21:04.28 | Estel_ | well, guly, project is community driven, not CSSU driven, anyway |
| 21:04.49 | Estel_ | guly, Council seems supportive for idea |
| 21:04.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51, so what to do, shut down the project? |
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| 21:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: ??? |
| 21:05.26 | Estel_ | I think Pali will be happy to GTFO from buggy Nokia repos |
| 21:05.31 | freemangordon | I cannot get your point |
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| 21:05.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer ^^^ |
| 21:05.41 | Estel_ | I'm quite sure, that other maintainers of orphaned packages too |
| 21:05.47 | freemangordon | what do you think should be done? |
| 21:05.51 | Estel_ | brb, dinner. |
| 21:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know how I could tell you what to do, but I'm sure you were not able to shut down any project not driven and hosted in your very private universe |
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| 21:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | MY point? |
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| 21:07.00 | freemangordon | Yeah |
| 21:07.19 | freemangordon | a ago there was a discussion here |
| 21:07.23 | freemangordon | *a week |
| 21:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | I got some urgent business that'S incidentally not at all related to Nokia or maemo, recently. My whole point |
| 21:07.53 | freemangordon | ok |
| 21:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | I try to help where I can and see ROI |
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| 21:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | I like Investment of time, Return like "it made a difference" |
| 21:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm NOT going to nuke 30GB on my server box to make space for a repo that got no maintainer |
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| 21:10.53 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I think the case with the hosting is closed, should we discuss it? |
| 21:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_ is very enthusiastic but alas that won't get work done |
| 21:11.42 | freemangordon | Well, let him try |
| 21:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm afk now again, as I got no point but a flu |
| 21:16.07 | Estel_ | hm, the fun thing is that it's not *my*project. I just contribute time by "talking together* people and ideas. |
| 21:16.18 | Estel_ | mirrorin repos is "ancient" idea. |
| 21:16.33 | Estel_ | Troubles with Nokia haven't started yesterday. |
| 21:16.55 | Estel_ | I don't understand why You don't see guly as maintainer-to-be DocScrutinizer. |
| 21:17.09 | Estel_ | Not discussing hosting, as it's closed topic indeed |
| 21:17.34 | guly | (i won't give maintainer status to a one week old member) |
| 21:17.58 | Estel_ | by I You mean him, or what? |
| 21:18.12 | guly | i mean me |
| 21:18.15 | freemangordon | he meant guly :) |
| 21:18.37 | Estel_ | sorry, I'm lost. You won't give a maintainer to whom? |
| 21:18.42 | freemangordon | hmm, I think we already have maintainers, why the hell is that discussed |
| 21:18.49 | freemangordon | to july |
| 21:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | maintainer!=admin |
| 21:19.01 | freemangordon | guly |
| 21:19.06 | Estel_ | who the hell is july ;) |
| 21:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | and that's (or the lack of understanding thereof) is the crux |
| 21:19.19 | freemangordon | sorry, typo i meant guly |
| 21:19.23 | Estel_ | ok |
| 21:19.30 | Estel_ | well, CSSU got maintainers |
| 21:19.33 | Estel_ | what the problem |
| 21:19.37 | Estel_ | KP too. |
| 21:19.55 | Estel_ | "freemangordon> hmm, I think we already have maintainers, why the hell is that discussed" |
| 21:20.02 | Estel_ | ^+1 |
| 21:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and those maintainers clearly don't support that project |
| 21:20.59 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I know that sysadmin != maintainer, still fail to see problem here |
| 21:21.02 | Estel_ | LOL |
| 21:21.19 | Estel_ | "we aren't in urgent need" != "we don't support" |
| 21:21.51 | Estel_ | expressing personal opinions != we won't maintain it, if it happens |
| 21:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, no topic for me |
| 21:22.00 | Estel_ | yea, I think so. |
| 21:23.29 | freemangordon | need to have some sleep, nite |
| 21:24.11 | Estel_ | good night! |
| 21:24.40 | Estel_ | guly, $D69 or, in wort case, me ;) will contact You via PM on forum ok? |
| 21:24.49 | Estel_ | this whole irc is too time consuming ;) |
| 21:25.31 | Estel_ | plan is to do micro fundraising, buy hosting for few months, and proceed with plan, if You're still interested (guly) |
| 21:25.55 | guly | sure |
| 21:26.24 | Estel_ | also, special thread will be created (You will be PM'ed with it), so You'll be able to watch progress any time. it will take few days/week or so, probably |
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| 21:26.42 | Estel_ | If You can prepare something "off line", it would be nice tp do it ahead |
| 21:27.04 | Estel_ | freemangordon will help in any CSSU related thing about maintaining it |
| 21:27.10 | Estel_ | he got same nick on forum |
| 21:27.35 | Estel_ | Pali, who is also Pali on forum, will gladly help about KP things if any questions arise |
| 21:27.41 | Estel_ | as for that, nothing changed |
| 21:27.59 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.06 | Sicelo | sorry :s |
| 21:28.07 | Estel_ | Pali is much easier reachable via forum than IRC, at least compared to freemangordon (who is reachable via both) |
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| 21:29.55 | Estel_ | ok, see ya! |
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| 21:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 21:32.06 | bindi | hellooo |
| 21:32.17 | bindi | what's the tweak for enabling hardware accelerated menus? |
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| 21:33.00 | bindi | also, my freshly flashed and just installed CSSU didn't have [thp_tweaks] in there |
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| 21:37.28 | Z3ROC00L | anybody here ?? |
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| 21:48.21 | badcloud_ | hey guys |
| 21:48.38 | SpeedEvil | h |
| 21:48.46 | badcloud_ | when file manager formats a usd card, does it use it for swap as well as a fat32 part? |
| 21:49.10 | Sicelo | not afaik |
| 21:49.36 | badcloud_ | strange |
| 21:50.08 | badcloud_ | I had multiple hangs when installing things in easy debian via apt-get |
| 21:50.21 | badcloud_ | never had problems when I installed it on usd |
| 21:50.36 | badcloud_ | right now I installed on MyDocs and am w/out usd |
| 21:51.33 | Sicelo | i use mine within mydocs. no issues yet (since July) .. but if u check mailing list, these past weeks there has been discussion related to your problem |
| 21:51.49 | badcloud_ | have you guys had more success w/easy debian on usd than on device memory? |
| 21:52.16 | Sicelo | http://maemo-community-mailing-lists.2589537.n2.nabble.com/Troubles-with-chrooted-Debian-tp7143515p7143515.html |
| 21:52.39 | Sicelo | u can see if that helps u |
| 21:53.32 | badcloud_ | Sicelo: thanks! |
| 21:53.44 | Sicelo | badcloud_: i have never had usd.. :) |
| 21:54.21 | badcloud_ | holy shit, I think that may be the key |
| 21:54.36 | Sicelo | huh? what? |
| 21:54.38 | badcloud_ | nice -n 19 |
| 21:54.44 | Sicelo | oh :) |
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| 22:12.23 | bindi | cmon :p |
| 22:12.28 | bindi | 23:32 < bindi> what's the tweak for enabling hardware accelerated menus? |
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| 22:12.52 | bindi | i remember seeing it in the wiki |
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| 23:42.28 | badcloud_ | Sicelo: unfortunately, same result with nice -n 19 |
| 23:42.43 | badcloud_ | I get a forced reboot |
| 23:43.01 | badcloud_ | and fsck has a buttload of errors for easy debian image |
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