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| 06:27.10 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-tips-Tizen-and-Bada-merger-plans/ |
| 06:27.33 | plate | heh |
| 06:27.38 | plate | i love transitions.ini in CSSU |
| 06:27.47 | plate | amazing how fast thinsg are w/o SWOOSHY crap everywehre like on iOS |
| 06:28.09 | plate | itotally abhor that transition stuff, on GMA500 drivers on linux with 1fps 2D it just is a disaster |
| 06:28.12 | plate | and its all over chromium/firefox anymore |
| 06:29.10 | plate | "you pressed F11? unlucky you. wait 10 seconds while we redraw the URL bar 32 times " |
| 06:30.23 | wmarone | if it takes 10 seconds to do that, there's something technically flawed, and it's not the presence of the animation |
| 06:31.17 | plate | yes. its called GMA500 :) |
| 06:31.28 | plate | its the compounding of effects of bad videodrivers and eye-candy |
| 06:31.55 | plate | even w/ good drivers, it adds 0.5-1s of pointless wait, eg on iOS |
| 06:32.09 | wmarone | ah yeah, a SGX530 driven to netbook display sizes tends to not work out well |
| 06:32.17 | wmarone | but then the problem is, again, technical flaws |
| 06:32.19 | wmarone | heh |
| 06:37.19 | plate | yes, flaws in intel's driver release process, underspecced chip. unfinished drivers. yay fun |
| 06:38.04 | plate | checks phoronix.com quarterly for updates on the situation |
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| 07:44.47 | plate | "HTML5 will be a pivotal technology in the growth of a multi-screen, 4G LTE cloud that is emerging " |
| 07:45.01 | plate | it annoys me that these people get a salary, and Nokia proably layed off linux/gtk/open-source programmers |
| 07:45.38 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 07:52.17 | plate | ah theres much worse, Gartner analysts |
| 07:52.32 | plate | im sure theyre writting up tons of reports on Tizen's market potential, and the burgeoning HTML5 app-market as we speaak |
| 07:52.41 | plate | to be sold for $1100 to marketing departments at microsoft |
| 07:52.43 | plate | pukes |
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| 08:04.47 | Macer | heh |
| 08:05.22 | Macer | what makes it so bad is they are using smarketing words |
| 08:05.22 | Macer | "cloud" "httml5" |
| 08:05.32 | Macer | just to followt the trend |
| 08:05.37 | Macer | until that gets old |
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| 08:05.57 | Macer | and nobody cares.. they pay people 6 figures to say stupid things |
| 08:06.04 | SpeedEvil | Anyone want to lend me a billion, so I can have a go at a nice open phone? |
| 08:09.47 | peb | SpeedEvil, hasn't that been tried with OpenMokko? |
| 08:10.25 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 08:10.35 | SpeedEvil | Neglecting the amount of cash. |
| 08:10.46 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko had managment screwups. |
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| 08:11.51 | SpeedEvil | In march 2007, I had a neo1973, with software that would (with some bugs) wake successfully from suspend on inbound SMS and calls. Have a dialer, SMS, calculator app, and a terminal. Had an awesome screen (for the time). |
| 08:12.35 | SpeedEvil | The hardware had some minor issues - but with minor fixes, it could have been sold at around xmas 2007, with a slightly more polished software stack. |
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| 08:14.19 | SpeedEvil | It would have sold a significant number to geeks. |
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| 08:14.45 | SpeedEvil | However, they decided to both refresh the hardware in a major way - and to switch software stacks. |
| 08:15.06 | SpeedEvil | They changed the UI once, once to an internally developed one, and then to Qt. |
| 08:15.23 | SpeedEvil | During this period, the neo1973 had sold out, and the next revision was not available. |
| 08:18.14 | SpeedEvil | Android wasn't around for another 6-10 months. |
| 08:18.34 | plate | im really interested in Tizen's driver situation |
| 08:18.47 | plate | if its gona be some android-esque kernel, with 0% chance of vanilla ever working, im 0% interested |
| 08:18.59 | peb | SpeedEvil, nice writeup. But the neo1973 also was closed source. What's speaking against the N900? the fact that it's closed (hw)? |
| 08:19.07 | plate | it seems someone will slap a touchscreen on a RAspberry Pi beforea mobile mfr gets their head out of their arse |
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| 08:19.13 | SpeedEvil | err - what? |
| 08:19.26 | SpeedEvil | the neo1973 was more open than the n900 |
| 08:19.27 | SpeedEvil | by a lot |
| 08:19.28 | plate | neo schematics were available under GFDL or something no? |
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| 08:19.46 | SpeedEvil | No closed GPU, the only closed part was the modem. |
| 08:20.09 | peb | Speedevil .. sorry, had a different phone in mind. Juggling to many Lables in my head (Ex-BQmobile) |
| 08:20.33 | SpeedEvil | As to what's against the n900 from an opensource perspective - it was a dead end. |
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| 08:22.11 | SpeedEvil | Anyone else find that this shit is going too fast? :) |
| 08:22.23 | SpeedEvil | The iphone only launched just before xmas 2007 |
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| 08:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | plate: I think we put a CC on them |
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| 08:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | took a while though to publish them, even after I joined OM |
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| 08:31.58 | plate | SpeedEvil: it almost seems inevitable some cheap Android phone from China will run Debian vanilla out of sheer luck |
| 08:32.36 | plate | id certainly prefer that to a TizenSamsung thing with 90% closed drivers, some weirdo fork of E17 (cute but hmm. i'll take my GTK thanks) |
| 08:32.58 | SpeedEvil | plate: Well - yes. |
| 08:33.32 | SpeedEvil | plate: Problem with that is that typically much of the stuff won't work without closed-source drivers. |
| 08:33.39 | SpeedEvil | for example, the modem. |
| 08:34.05 | SpeedEvil | Plus, you can't get source for cheap phones from china |
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| 08:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil |
| 08:36.47 | SpeedEvil | mehs. |
| 08:37.04 | SpeedEvil | needs to get his insulated room up and working and heatable. |
| 08:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | ouch yeah, nasty weather |
| 08:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | might get worse til weekend |
| 08:39.10 | SpeedEvil | ~4C in here. Electric blanket ++ |
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| 08:42.36 | jonwil | You guys are welcome to have the Summer heatwave currently going on around here |
| 08:42.55 | jonwil | 36C tomorrow |
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| 08:54.14 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Someone needs to implement CTCP HEATPUMP |
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| 11:46.04 | RST38h | yawns, wonders why it is so quiet here |
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| 11:47.54 | MohammadAG | RST38h: Peekaboo |
| 11:48.55 | RST38h | Moo, Mohammad. How are things? Has the cssu thing been settled? |
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| 11:51.13 | khertan | morning |
| 11:51.20 | RST38h | hey khertan |
| 11:51.55 | khertan | hey RST38h |
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| 11:53.29 | MohammadAG | RST38h: Not sure what that is but I'm back for good |
| 11:56.45 | khertan | does qt quick component are available on fremantle now ? |
| 11:59.22 | ruskie | hmm I wonder what I broke on my N900 that it doesn't give me an option of jingle audio/video calls |
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| 12:04.54 | RST38h | Mohammad: I think there was a problem with maemo.org people not being rensponsive about the infrastructure |
| 12:05.06 | RST38h | Mohammad: With discussions to move cssu repos off maemo.orgb |
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| 12:09.13 | khertan | moving cssu off mameo.org ? |
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| 13:31.21 | granden | Helo |
| 13:31.36 | granden | Got a bit of problem, can not boot my N900. |
| 13:31.47 | granden | It stuck in some kind of reboot loop. Is it possible to do anything about it? |
| 13:32.07 | granden | Was going to try to flash the emmc and latest firmwire. |
| 13:32.12 | granden | But seams like I can't because Im on osx. |
| 13:32.25 | granden | The flasher-3.5.pkg installs nicely but dont get any binary. |
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| 13:33.38 | x29a | granden: i think you have to download the images directly from nokia |
| 13:34.07 | x29a | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:40.25 | granden | sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R |
| 13:40.29 | granden | that command does not work |
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| 13:40.37 | granden | as the /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 does not exist. |
| 13:40.46 | granden | even after installing and following the intscructions |
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| 13:55.43 | x29a | granden: does the flasher-3.5 binary exist somewhere? |
| 13:56.16 | granden | I dont know |
| 13:56.21 | granden | cant find it anywhere dunno wher eto look. |
| 14:02.40 | Sicelo | did u install this one granden? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg |
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| 14:04.58 | granden | Sicelo: Yes |
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| 14:19.20 | Sicelo | i wonder if `which` works under Mac.. try `which flasher-3.5` |
| 14:20.05 | granden | No error but no results either |
| 14:20.35 | granden | Heading over to a friends place, borrowing his Windows PC. Perhaps it will work. |
| 14:21.25 | Sicelo | ok. your best bet will always be linux ;) |
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| 14:23.48 | guly | which also works on osx :) |
| 14:24.28 | khertan | locate flasher |
| 14:24.52 | khertan | (just in case it s not in the path) |
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| 15:01.06 | guly | khertan: updatedb isn't enabled by default, osx(tm) users use spotlight(tm) and feel gratified |
| 15:02.45 | MohammadAG | Upgrading to Ubuntu 11.10, I'll regret this, as always |
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| 15:09.03 | khertan | guly: wasn't the case when i was using macosx beta 10.4 :) |
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| 15:10.37 | khertan | [ 246.605375] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 15:10.39 | khertan | grrrr ... |
| 15:10.42 | khertan | i like obs |
| 15:10.47 | khertan | pfff prefer the maemo builder |
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| 15:18.11 | frals | khertan: you and me both :) |
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| 15:18.44 | MohammadAG | frals, khertan make that a threesome |
| 15:19.24 | khertan | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=KhtPasswdGen&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan |
| 15:19.37 | khertan | anyone understand the problem ? |
| 15:19.56 | khertan | MohammadAG: about ubuntu i ve stopped using this os to use the original debian |
| 15:20.06 | khertan | with gnome 3.2 shell :) |
| 15:20.08 | khertan | :) |
| 15:20.43 | frals | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/packages/BUILD' |
| 15:20.44 | frals | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 15:20.54 | frals | # /usr/bin/make # Uncomment this line for use without Qt Creator |
| 15:20.59 | frals | guess you might want to uncomment that line |
| 15:21.31 | khertan | yes ... i see that |
| 15:21.45 | khertan | don't know why qtcreator have build the package source with the old rule |
| 15:21.46 | khertan | thx |
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| 15:34.48 | khertan | whao ... 7 Days for ovi store validation |
| 15:35.11 | khertan | the website for submitting content have an old style and look strange |
| 15:35.43 | khertan | remember me the day at palmgears in 90's year |
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| 15:45.07 | khertan | frals: maybe you can help me with qtcreator |
| 15:45.17 | khertan | i really didn't understand why it s sucks so much |
| 15:45.27 | khertan | debian/rules:21: *** commands commence before first target. Stop. |
| 15:45.35 | khertan | there is nothing on line 21 |
| 15:45.44 | khertan | not even a space |
| 15:49.54 | mgedmin | what's on line 20? |
| 15:50.26 | khertan | nothing more |
| 15:50.28 | khertan | :) |
| 15:50.39 | khertan | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/apps.formeego.org << apps formeego down ? |
| 15:51.23 | khertan | mgedmin: http://pastebin.com/cn0Ex7rB |
| 15:51.57 | khertan | and the error log ... which have some part in french ... : http://pastebin.com/45SSxAz5 |
| 15:52.48 | mgedmin | I see a single space on line 21 |
| 15:53.11 | mgedmin | pastebin added it, I suppose |
| 15:53.28 | mgedmin | since I see (can select in my browser) a single space on every other blank line as well |
| 15:53.38 | mgedmin | hmm... do a hex dump, look for CR characters? |
| 15:53.46 | mgedmin | 0x0d |
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| 15:54.13 | khertan | crlf .... |
| 15:54.14 | khertan | grrrr |
| 15:54.17 | khertan | stupid windows |
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| 15:54.55 | khertan | didn't help much :) |
| 15:57.39 | merlin1991 | khertan: if you find the time can you check if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12182 is still valid on current cssu? |
| 15:57.41 | povbot | 04Bug 12182: Qt.QTextEdit Shift click selection |
| 15:58.14 | khertan | does it s include my patch ? |
| 15:58.39 | merlin1991 | no, but a lot of other changes on qt since the bugreport, and it at least seems to work without the patch |
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| 16:13.06 | khertan | merlin1991: hum ... need to found an working n900 ;) |
| 16:13.43 | khertan | have made some progress : debian/rules:29: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 16:13.44 | khertan | :) |
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| 16:18.32 | khertan | Ahahah ahahah ahah qtcreator use different debian file |
| 16:18.37 | khertan | pfff |
| 16:18.51 | khertan | this whole ide is nice but need more polish |
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| 16:38.59 | khertan | pffff tomorrow is an other day |
| 16:39.20 | khertan | let see if i ll get more chance compiling something of qtcreator on obs |
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| 17:28.06 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/17/hp_hawks_monster_multi_touch_display/ <-- yes please |
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| 19:12.38 | dafox | hi. Does anyone know where the preenv package went? (apt-get install preenv --> E: Couldn't find package preenv) |
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| 20:35.22 | Guest25459 | does anyone have any idea why preenv wouldn't show up in faster-application-manager? |
| 20:36.52 | merlin1991 | #maemo knows that fapman comes from deeper layers of hell, so probably no help on that one here |
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| 20:41.19 | Guest25459 | merlin1991: aha... ok, sorry I didn't know. What is the recommended package manger here? |
| 20:41.52 | merlin1991 | well hildon-application-manager |
| 20:41.56 | Guest25459 | ugh |
| 20:41.56 | merlin1991 | thought it's slow it's safe |
| 20:42.17 | merlin1991 | and if you know what you do you can always use apt-get in the commandline |
| 20:42.25 | Guest25459 | but I thought both were just wrappers around apt-get? |
| 20:42.43 | merlin1991 | well fapman is an inferior wrapper around apt-get |
| 20:42.54 | merlin1991 | first of it doesn't honor certain package flags |
| 20:42.56 | Guest25459 | (also, could you give me a bit more information why fapman is so horrid?) |
| 20:43.10 | merlin1991 | (especially the ones for system upgrades) |
| 20:43.17 | merlin1991 | and secondly it call autoremove |
| 20:43.35 | merlin1991 | which sadly is broken on maemo and tends to remove packages at random that are actually still needed |
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| 20:44.12 | Guest25459 | that last point sounds pretty bad. Can it break my system? |
| 20:44.23 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 20:44.30 | Guest25459 | :o |
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| 20:44.57 | merlin1991 | first thing that usually goes down is sip calls and the email desktop widget |
| 20:45.05 | merlin1991 | after that other things get removed each time |
| 20:45.05 | Guest25459 | ok, so basically my options are the default gui or cmdline? or is there anything else like fapman? |
| 20:45.23 | merlin1991 | default gui or cmdline is it (sadly) |
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| 20:46.25 | Guest25459 | ugh... I'm sorry to say but the default gui plain sucks. This is the reason I installed fapman :( |
| 20:46.55 | merlin1991 | well I agree with you on that one, but there is no alternative (for system upgrades like cssu) everything else I just do over cmdline |
| 20:49.36 | Guest25459 | yes, I can use the commandline to install something (and I don't really mind), but when searching for a particular application a gui is much nicer |
| 20:49.50 | Guest25459 | aka "I want a todo list" |
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| 20:50.04 | Guest25459 | then searching via apt is not very convenient |
| 20:50.12 | merlin1991 | apt-cache search lists pretty much the same as ham did : |
| 20:50.15 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 20:51.10 | Guest25459 | I haven't tried apt-cache search on n900, but if it's anything like desktop linux apt-cache, then no, I don't agree |
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| 20:52.12 | Guest25459 | apt-cache search results often contain a lot of stuff that are not related to the original query |
| 20:52.17 | Guest25459 | but we digress |
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| 20:54.05 | Guest25459 | strange... HAM fails to update some catalogs |
| 20:54.29 | merlin1991 | can be loads of things |
| 20:54.34 | merlin1991 | sometimes ham just doesn't like you |
| 20:54.52 | merlin1991 | or you have no proper internet connection |
| 20:55.02 | Guest25459 | internet seems to work |
| 20:55.07 | merlin1991 | or the webservers that host those catalogs are down for some reason |
| 20:55.31 | Guest25459 | cssu testing for example gives me 302 |
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| 20:56.38 | Guest25459 | others say network unreachable (ovi, nokia system update) |
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| 21:11.55 | Guest25459 | and seemingly preenv is also not shown in HAM ... |
| 21:12.39 | Guest25459 | merlin1991: I have to go now. I guess I'll have to use the commandline anyway. Thank you for the information and warning :) |
| 21:12.44 | Guest25459 | bye! |
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| 21:44.19 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 || CSSU-Stable IS OUT: get it via links in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 *now*! |
| 21:44.19 | Snii | Hi, I have an n900 that I would like to just run as a separate always on server or similiar at home. I was thinking of having it boot to the terminal only to have some more resources free.. 1. Is it worth it to not run the "desktop". 2. Is it possible/hard? |
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| 21:48.23 | MohammadAG | worth it? not sure |
| 21:48.27 | MohammadAG | possible, yeah |
| 21:50.22 | Snii | MohammadAG: The optimal thing would be to have it as a "dumb" box connected to my Wifi network, only running a few scripts now and then, presumably not using much power doing so, |
| 21:51.09 | Snii | But I'm not quite sure where to start.. |
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| 22:02.04 | merlin1991 | edit upstart remove userland? |
| 22:02.16 | merlin1991 | and just boot into xterm? |
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| 22:21.34 | AIN2 | that's actually my plan, using it as a server or something at home (by running debian), once N900 simply gets too old. |
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| 22:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | meh, if he wasn't a driveby asker, I'd suggest he should look into ACT_DEAD initstate |
| 22:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | you already got in place all you need to have a pretty convenient to use "server" without GUI |
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| 22:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | and you even have a button to switch between "serbver" and full "gui" mode: power-button |
| 22:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | just look into mce.ini and start to think about what you see there |
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| 23:08.45 | trumee | MohammadAG: still alive! |
| 23:09.06 | trumee | MohammadAG: tmo has been moaning about you. |
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| 23:30.17 | Estel_ | Does anyone have idea, what *exactly* is shutdown and reboot button doing? |
| 23:30.25 | Estel_ | I plan to prepare .sh rewrite, as I would like to to safely unmount TrueCrypt volumes before shutdowning |