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| 01:27.15 | Estel_ | mayday, mayday ;) I have accidentaly mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of blk0p7 (my internal fallback swap) |
| 01:27.35 | Estel_ | yet, MyDocs seems to be working fine and my precious music collection is there working |
| 01:27.54 | SpeedEvil | mkswap only touches the first block |
| 01:27.56 | Estel_ | yet again, mkswap was succesful, showing 19GB as available swap space |
| 01:27.59 | SpeedEvil | And the last block? |
| 01:28.06 | SpeedEvil | did you swapon? |
| 01:28.09 | Estel_ | nope |
| 01:28.15 | Estel_ | fortunately |
| 01:28.23 | Estel_ | now, any way to redo risk? |
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| 01:28.49 | Estel_ | You know, before that, if I accidentaly swapon /dev/mmcblk0p1, it would just say 'invalid argument' |
| 01:28.57 | Estel_ | now it may be little catastrophic ;) |
| 01:29.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if mydocs wil mount again |
| 01:29.15 | robbiethe1st | I'd say the best thing to do is use rsync to copy everything off your mydocs before touching /anything else |
| 01:29.17 | Estel_ | not so much as /dev/mmcblk0p2, but yet, would like to redo |
| 01:29.26 | robbiethe1st | Have a SD card in there? |
| 01:29.43 | Estel_ | Thought about that. Then, re-mkfs mmcblk0p1, yes? |
| 01:30.05 | robbiethe1st | Something like that. If fsck can't fix it |
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| 01:30.10 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:30.24 | Estel_ | yea, but my mydocs content is bigger than sd card. Well, I think ssh'ing and backuping mydocs content would be ok? |
| 01:30.32 | robbiethe1st | Exactly |
| 01:30.50 | robbiethe1st | If you've got a nice linux machine with ssh, great. |
| 01:31.21 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it won't mount without the first block |
| 01:31.34 | SpeedEvil | a quick look at my first block reinforces that suggestion |
| 01:31.37 | robbiethe1st | Otherwise, you'd have to use the sd method. Mind, you want to plug it in via usb but /not/ enable mass storage mode when doing so - the battery will drain extremely quickly when copying stuff via ssh |
| 01:31.41 | Estel_ | thanks a lot. Going to get it fixed now. Thanks for tip about risk of no-next mount |
| 01:32.22 | SpeedEvil | good luck |
| 01:32.31 | robbiethe1st | Y'know, one other option would be to make a loopback image the same size on your desktop, format it fat32, then use dd to copy it's first and last blocks over the myDocs first and last blocks |
| 01:32.40 | robbiethe1st | I'd try it /after/ backing up, of course |
| 01:32.44 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:32.49 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, fortunately, I'm siting on recently charged 3000mAh battery and copying 11GB (from 19GB mydocs) barely scratches it |
| 01:32.54 | Estel_ | hm, nice idea |
| 01:32.55 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure the first block doesn't have metainfo too |
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| 01:33.29 | Estel_ | well, I think the safest thing I can do is to just backup things and redo filesystem. |
| 01:33.38 | robbiethe1st | Estel, I dunno... When my N900's USB broke, I backed up my MyDocs over ssh via wifi... it took like four fully charged batteries to do it |
| 01:33.51 | Estel_ | it was vfat after all, so no symlinks etc - just stuff I would like to not re-encode again |
| 01:34.03 | robbiethe1st | And those were what... 1250mah new batteries |
| 01:34.26 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, strange, I constantly drop and backup big files (backupmenu optfs backups) and it's fast and nice on battery |
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| 01:34.57 | robbiethe1st | Could have been due to lowish signal strength or something |
| 01:35.00 | Estel_ | my optfs is 1.5GB and I'm usually backing up them to PC as a bulk of few, so it's 10GB or so |
| 01:35.29 | Estel_ | it's possible. or are You using injection drivers for everyday usage? |
| 01:36.14 | Estel_ | those have increased power drain due to things in osso-something. CSSU is going to fix that |
| 01:37.11 | robbiethe1st | Nah, don't have those drivers at all |
| 01:37.26 | Estel_ | I was experimenting with cryptsetup, and after lotta hell of enabling, disabing, encrypting, mkswap'ing, I finally made mistake. Fortunately, spoted it due to "correct" swap being encryed but unabled to swapon it... traced history down to see mkswap mmcblk0p1... |
| 01:37.29 | Estel_ | I see |
| 01:37.49 | Estel_ | BTW Robbie, Yoy've lost interest in developing backupmenu further? |
| 01:37.59 | Estel_ | not demanging, asking out of curiosity |
| 01:38.51 | Estel_ | (silence) :P seriously though, take Your time, I'll be back after fixing mydocs |
| 01:39.06 | robbiethe1st | Somewhat, yeah. Mainly because I, A, managed to lose my harddisk and didn't have my stuff setup, and B, got a job which is having me work 9-10hr days |
| 01:39.44 | robbiethe1st | Also, I sort of need to at least /try/ to make one for the N9/n950, but... again, lost files = hard time |
| 01:40.30 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 01:41.13 | robbiethe1st | ...And I'll have to figure out how to upload files again, get that all configured and such |
| 01:44.12 | robbiethe1st | Note that since the... incident... I've got a 2TB Barracuda Green drive that I rsync to every week, need it or not. |
| 01:44.57 | robbiethe1st | Also, Firefox Sync for keeping my tabs/history/cookies etc up to date on a hourly basis |
| 01:46.03 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:48.57 | Estel_ | robbiethe1st, no one from Debian forum traced down why it happened? |
| 01:49.21 | robbiethe1st | Nah, I still haven't gotten a good reason for it. |
| 01:49.22 | Estel_ | Of course I've been through whole story as soon as You posted it, still scratching my head about it |
| 01:49.56 | robbiethe1st | The only thing I can come up with is that I'd mounted my drive to /tmp/Data... Perhaps something decided to wipe out /everything/ in /tmp/ for some odd reason |
| 01:50.12 | robbiethe1st | However, I'd done that many times previous without issues, so... |
| 01:50.13 | Estel_ | housecleaning after update ;) |
| 01:50.17 | Estel_ | yea |
| 01:50.22 | Estel_ | no idea, honestly |
| 01:50.46 | Estel_ | pity that You actually were close to recover it if I recall correctly |
| 01:51.20 | robbiethe1st | Well, I have a 1.2TB image of the disk; If I have a string in the file, I can find one or more copies of it usually... |
| 01:51.45 | robbiethe1st | But there's a rediculous amount of data there, and no way to find a lot of things - like zip archives, for instance. |
| 01:52.48 | robbiethe1st | Also, I -- fortunately -- have a good archive of my BM files on my N900's drive, and a year-old copy of everything else |
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| 01:53.56 | SpeedEvil | zip archives have a magic number at the start - and if contiguous |
| 01:54.13 | SpeedEvil | also - if you have an image - why not mount it? |
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| 01:55.05 | robbiethe1st | SE: example of my problem: Take an EXT4 fs, do "rm /mount/ -rf" |
| 01:55.11 | robbiethe1st | Now try to find your files. |
| 01:55.46 | robbiethe1st | So there's a filesystem on there, but no records to where the files are. The data's on disk, but how to find it automatically is hard. |
| 01:56.15 | robbiethe1st | If for no other reason than the huge number of false positives, old versions of files and... |
| 01:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Did you actually rm? |
| 01:57.05 | SpeedEvil | Or did you damage the fs? |
| 01:57.36 | robbiethe1st | I'm pretty sure, from actually looking at the data structures in question, that it got rm -rf'd. I didn't run the command personally, though |
| 01:57.50 | robbiethe1st | I say this because there's no inode tables around. Period. |
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| 01:58.09 | robbiethe1st | (well, stub tables, but nothing with my files in it) |
| 01:58.11 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, the strange part is that it happened during distro upgrade |
| 01:58.38 | Estel_ | no one got idea why |
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| 01:59.11 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: ah - you've been playing with debugfs and frineds tneh? |
| 01:59.46 | robbiethe1st | I've tried a number of tools, but most of my information has come from looking at it with a hex editor |
| 01:59.53 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 02:00.20 | Estel_ | checking 1.2 TB image with a hex editor must be lotta hell of fun |
| 02:00.22 | robbiethe1st | As well as grep and a custom tool to run grep on a gig of cached data |
| 02:00.49 | robbiethe1st | Well, it's more like run program to find where some data structure is, look at that block with a hex editor |
| 02:01.13 | Estel_ | I see, that's diferrent thing |
| 02:01.54 | Estel_ | I also got funny day with filesystems today, although on much smaller scale |
| 02:02.19 | Estel_ | for the very first time ever my device got strange lockout, during making call |
| 02:02.23 | Estel_ | just frozen |
| 02:02.33 | Estel_ | i got wifi enabled, so sshed into it |
| 02:02.38 | Estel_ | was able to ls etc |
| 02:02.43 | robbiethe1st | Well, the only thing I can say in relation to my problem is: Backup, backup, backup. Get a hot-swap sata bay, run a backup script every week at least |
| 02:02.47 | Estel_ | top wasn't showing anything unusual |
| 02:03.08 | Estel_ | killall some things wasn't taking *any* effect |
| 02:03.17 | Estel_ | so shell commands like ls were working |
| 02:03.26 | Estel_ | but other didn'r result in anything |
| 02:03.45 | Estel_ | shutdown or reboot resulted always in lockdown of terminal console from where i sshed |
| 02:03.59 | Estel_ | I was able to re-connect immediately |
| 02:04.09 | Estel_ | yet device was still frozen as is. strange. |
| 02:04.33 | Estel_ | after some tricks to force reboot failed, I was forced to shutdown via powerbutton longpress |
| 02:05.16 | Estel_ | ofcourse /home/ got corrupted, I fsck'ed it from backupmenu root terminal, but, like in story I've described sometimes ago, e2fs is screwed |
| 02:05.30 | Estel_ | so, after fixing plentora of things e2fs just segfaulted |
| 02:06.29 | Estel_ | fortunatelly, I've had backup from few days ago, and as I wasn't doing many things related to rootf/optfs correlation (yet, I've prepared important scripts for TrueCrypt on rootfs) I just restored optfs |
| 02:06.42 | Estel_ | then, reinstalled everything that could be installed in between |
| 02:07.21 | Estel_ | it's pity that while having such nice tool as backupmenu and root console (backupmenu or standalone), we're screwed due to outdated e2fs |
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| 02:07.58 | Estel_ | probably, connecting in read&write mass storage mode to linuxbox and fsck'ing from there would help, though |
| 02:08.30 | Estel_ | and now, this little mess with MyDocs, caused by me. Of course, all after all, it's all happily solved thanks to backups or asking here ;) |
| 02:09.46 | robbiethe1st | Seems like we ought to be able to upgrade the optfs to ext3 or 4, now that we have a root terminal to play with that doesn't require it |
| 02:10.00 | robbiethe1st | As in, we can keep trying till it works |
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| 02:10.38 | Estel_ | hehe, I use ext4 for optfs for ages |
| 02:10.44 | Estel_ | modified backupmenu to support it |
| 02:10.58 | Estel_ | with help (well, most work is his) of ivygalez |
| 02:11.58 | Estel_ | I also use ext4 for ED dedicated partition and everyday use truecrypt part |
| 02:17.32 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: That new uboot menu isnt' working great for me |
| 02:18.21 | AndrewX192 | All I really want to do is have the possibility to install Meego CE or Nitdroid on my device again |
| 02:18.42 | AndrewX192 | But maybe I should stick with robbiethe1st's BackupMenu and call it a day |
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| 02:19.36 | AndrewX192 | The thing is, I will be dependent on kernel-power, so anything that moves me back to the stock kernel will break things big time |
| 02:20.02 | AndrewX192 | I think I can re-install kernel-power via flasher tools on another machine, correct? |
| 02:20.24 | Estel_ | AndrewX192, wait for bugs being hammered, then install, immediately create combined with kernel power, and flash it again |
| 02:20.51 | Estel_ | then, any next thing You want to load will be only in memory, without flashing |
| 02:21.19 | Estel_ | no, if You flash kp from flasher after ubooting, You will loose uboot |
| 02:21.44 | Estel_ | but, preparing combined image of kp with buoot and flashing it (from device, as Pali explained) will be ok |
| 02:21.45 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: I can't boot kernel-power from that version of u-boot |
| 02:22.07 | Estel_ | so either find out what You're doing wrong, or, if it's really bug, wait for fix |
| 02:22.15 | AndrewX192 | It just sits at "Booting from (mtdblock4 jffs2)" |
| 02:22.16 | Estel_ | Pali is developing it very actively |
| 02:22.26 | Estel_ | no idea havent tried it myself |
| 02:22.43 | Estel_ | normally I test things eagerly, but as for uboot, I'm going to wait a little |
| 02:23.00 | AndrewX192 | What bootloader are you using? |
| 02:23.17 | Estel_ | can't affor to make my device unbootable by accident, I'm traveling much, often without access to flasher3.5-able machine |
| 02:23.34 | AndrewX192 | I'm thinking about getting a spare N900 for testing |
| 02:23.38 | Estel_ | NOLO, everyone is forced to use it as for now :P even uboot is loaded by NOLO |
| 02:23.56 | Estel_ | I hope one day we'll be able to replace NOLO with uboot |
| 02:24.05 | AndrewX192 | Okay, so how does uboot/multiboot/* get loaded then? |
| 02:24.17 | Estel_ | anyway, I'm using multiboot with backupmenu |
| 02:24.21 | AndrewX192 | Is it an script in an initrd with stock kernel? |
| 02:24.29 | Estel_ | NOLO loads it, simple as that. |
| 02:24.34 | Estel_ | no idea. |
| 02:25.18 | AndrewX192 | Okay, well I'm going to get backupmenu going again and reload my stock PR 1.3 |
| 02:25.30 | AndrewX192 | Stock w/ CSSU and a few custom patches |
| 02:25.49 | AndrewX192 | How well does multiboot work with backupmenu? |
| 02:25.51 | Estel_ | I've installed multiboot ages ago, as I though I'll like to use nitroid or meegoCE. But, I realized than nitroid is of no interest to me, and before Mer/Nemo/Lipstick will be usable enough,we'll have u-boot already |
| 02:26.18 | Estel_ | so, generally I'm not using multiboot except for entering backupmenu, which is not flashing anything anyway |
| 02:26.29 | AndrewX192 | I don't really need nitdroid on my device, but it would be kinda neet I guess |
| 02:26.36 | Estel_ | hm |
| 02:26.45 | Estel_ | there is package called backupmenu-multiboot |
| 02:26.55 | AndrewX192 | So does backupmenu start when you turn on your device w/ keyboard open? |
| 02:26.59 | Estel_ | somewhere on forum, linked from 1st page of backupmenu thread |
| 02:27.07 | AndrewX192 | Or do you control it via multiboot |
| 02:27.13 | Estel_ | no, multiboot start with keyboard open |
| 02:27.21 | Estel_ | and one of it's options is backupmenu |
| 02:27.21 | AndrewX192 | k |
| 02:27.32 | AndrewX192 | That's a lot better than default backupmenu |
| 02:27.41 | Estel_ | I have also manually upgraded backupmenu version, as one in multiboot-backupmenu is outdated |
| 02:27.47 | AndrewX192 | Because I end up leaving my keyboard out by mistake when rebooting, then I have to enter my password to get into backupmenu.. |
| 02:27.51 | AndrewX192 | so I can quit it :| |
| 02:27.56 | Estel_ | I've also modified it to work with my ext4 |
| 02:28.20 | Estel_ | no worries, in backupmenu or backupmenu-multiboot thread there are instructions |
| 02:28.23 | AndrewX192 | The version of backupmenu I was using worked with ext4 |
| 02:28.27 | AndrewX192 | I had to mount manually though |
| 02:28.34 | Estel_ | it's as simple as copying some files and replacing content of another ones |
| 02:28.49 | Estel_ | well, backuping and restoring ext4 worked for You? |
| 02:28.57 | AndrewX192 | Oh, didn't test that |
| 02:29.02 | AndrewX192 | Just console mode |
| 02:29.07 | Estel_ | actually, during restoration backupmenu nukes opt partition |
| 02:29.16 | Estel_ | and recreates it as ext3 |
| 02:29.38 | AndrewX192 | And extracts the original contents back onto it? |
| 02:29.43 | Estel_ | one need to change all rellevant occurences of ext3 in backupmenu scripts to ext4 |
| 02:29.45 | AndrewX192 | And then your rootfs is expecting ext4? |
| 02:29.50 | Estel_ | noooo |
| 02:29.59 | Estel_ | rootfs shouldnt be changed to ext4 |
| 02:30.06 | AndrewX192 | I know that |
| 02:30.08 | Estel_ | just /home/, dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 02:30.12 | Estel_ | ah I see |
| 02:30.13 | AndrewX192 | But your rootfs's scripts look for an ext4 partition |
| 02:30.16 | AndrewX192 | Can't find it |
| 02:30.18 | AndrewX192 | So bootloop |
| 02:30.24 | Estel_ | yes, using ext4 require changes in preinit scripts |
| 02:30.31 | AndrewX192 | Right |
| 02:30.49 | AndrewX192 | But you could use backupmenu to fix that issue, until you can make the correct fix |
| 02:30.57 | Estel_ | yea, but my backupmenu is kind and after nuking restore everything as ext4 |
| 02:31.04 | Estel_ | yes |
| 02:31.16 | Estel_ | ah also |
| 02:31.27 | AndrewX192 | So I should install backupmenu-multiboot and modify as needed? |
| 02:31.32 | Estel_ | using ext4 You must specify ext4 as module to being load by multiboot |
| 02:31.39 | Estel_ | there is option for that |
| 02:31.45 | Estel_ | just replace ext3 with ext4 |
| 02:31.48 | Estel_ | yes |
| 02:32.04 | AndrewX192 | Okay |
| 02:32.10 | Estel_ | as for migrating to ext4 there is wiki page about changing eMMC filesystem |
| 02:32.30 | AndrewX192 | It doesn't look like I can get backupmenu on here w/o reflashing |
| 02:32.34 | AndrewX192 | Right |
| 02:32.38 | AndrewX192 | I've already done it once |
| 02:32.53 | AndrewX192 | I modified the rootfs to look for ext4 from console mode within backupmenu |
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| 02:37.50 | AndrewX192 | Heh, my N900 is showing some rss feed from 2009 about the N900 being released |
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| 02:42.37 | Estel_ | how cute |
| 02:43.18 | AndrewX192 | Okay, I got that new u-boot menu working with multiboot |
| 02:43.32 | AndrewX192 | If I open the keyboard when I turn on the device, I can choose an kernel |
| 02:43.38 | AndrewX192 | THen I have to close it quickly before backupmenu appears |
| 02:44.43 | AndrewX192 | I bet if I call the update script to u-boot it will break |
| 02:44.48 | AndrewX192 | Because the .item file is there |
| 02:45.05 | AndrewX192 | BackupMenu uses /etc/bootmenu.d/ |
| 02:47.30 | Estel_ | having uboot You shouldn't need multiboot |
| 02:48.09 | AndrewX192 | It installs both anyways |
| 02:48.18 | AndrewX192 | That's why I was having those issues in the thread on TMO |
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| 02:54.33 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: so all you did is modify backupmenu and replace ext3 with ext4? |
| 02:55.07 | Estel_ | yea, but only where appropriate. Just look at code that You want to modify before doing so. |
| 02:55.50 | AndrewX192 | Of course. Okay |
| 02:58.59 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: What exactly am I flashing when using u-boot / flasher on device? |
| 02:59.07 | AndrewX192 | The kernel, initramfs..? |
| 02:59.57 | Estel_ | kernel |
| 03:00.10 | Estel_ | just with uboot, kernel image got also uboot at start |
| 03:00.18 | AndrewX192 | Hm |
| 03:00.24 | AndrewX192 | I restored with backupmenu and u-boot is still there |
| 03:01.11 | Estel_ | because it's in kernel asMive said, backupmenu doesn't have anything to do with kernel |
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| 03:02.56 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: so on another completely different note, my N900 takes about 5 minutes before it realizes it has a SIM in it on every boot - ideas? |
| 03:03.44 | Estel_ | unfortunatelly, no, but it may be indication if hardware failure of sim pins. I hope that it isn't, but.... |
| 03:04.03 | Estel_ | check forum for old trick with paper, and if it makes difference, consider resoldering |
| 03:04.20 | AndrewX192 | That's what I found TMO mentioning, and I did the paper trick |
| 03:04.39 | Estel_ | I'm off for now, as I've finished MyDocs backuo, going to re mkfs it and restore. Good night! (morning) |
| 03:04.42 | Estel_ | I see |
| 03:04.44 | AndrewX192 | T-Mobile said they are "updating the towers" in the area, but I suspect B.S. on that |
| 03:04.52 | Estel_ | of course bt |
| 03:04.59 | Estel_ | anyway, You can check other sim |
| 03:05.20 | Estel_ | if it's exactly same time everytime, it's rather something softareish |
| 03:05.22 | AndrewX192 | What are you converting MyDocs to? |
| 03:05.28 | AndrewX192 | Yeah |
| 03:05.36 | Estel_ | nothing, just mkswap'ed it accidentaly |
| 03:05.41 | AndrewX192 | But it exists on a stock pr 1.3 image |
| 03:05.46 | Estel_ | fortunately, not swapon'ed |
| 03:05.47 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: lol, how did you do that |
| 03:06.03 | Estel_ | while experimenting with cryptsetup and enxrypted swap |
| 03:06.12 | Estel_ | just typed mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:06.13 | AndrewX192 | hm |
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| 03:06.16 | Estel_ | instead of p7 |
| 03:06.29 | AndrewX192 | Are you using truecrypt as well? |
| 03:06.44 | Estel_ | anyway, I was able to copy back my data - If I would unmount it, it would probably not mount again |
| 03:06.56 | Estel_ | hehe, I'm truecrypt package maintainer ;) |
| 03:07.04 | Estel_ | so, fortunately, I'm using it |
| 03:07.09 | AndrewX192 | I use cryptsetup on my other Linux machines, but on N900 it seams truecrypt is the way to go |
| 03:07.21 | Estel_ | well, both can cooperate nicely |
| 03:07.54 | Estel_ | when top security is required, You just encrypt swap also with cryptsetup, to not avoid leaking data from mounted truecrypt partition via swapping |
| 03:08.10 | Estel_ | I'm preparing set of scripts for next version of truecrypt |
| 03:08.16 | Estel_ | that ease it |
| 03:08.21 | AndrewX192 | hm |
| 03:09.05 | Estel_ | also, truecrypt and little mod to osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh result in mass-storage to desktops, where desktop see partition that is encrypted via truecrypt on N900 itself |
| 03:09.19 | Estel_ | = no need for truecrypt on PC that You connect N900 to |
| 03:09.41 | Estel_ | = drop in replacement for expensive and often insecure encrypted pendrives and HDs |
| 03:09.50 | AndrewX192 | Hm |
| 03:09.54 | AndrewX192 | That's an idea |
| 03:09.59 | Estel_ | another thing our N900 handles well |
| 03:10.13 | Estel_ | check truecrypt announce thread on tmo, instructions are there |
| 03:10.27 | AndrewX192 | Did you use truecrypt for your /home ? |
| 03:10.45 | Estel_ | I'll try to prepare some scripts for it in new version, but it will always require some manual user input to determine when to mass-storage it or when not |
| 03:11.09 | Estel_ | well, we don't want to arbitraty show every tc partition to computer in mass-storage |
| 03:11.25 | Estel_ | no, I don't see reason for encrypting whole home, performance-wise |
| 03:11.47 | Estel_ | it's better to mive priv things like phonebook, contacts, messages etc to truecrypt partition |
| 03:11.51 | Estel_ | and symlink it |
| 03:12.09 | Estel_ | anyway, I'm off for now. See ya! |
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| 08:27.26 | plate | all app menus are unselectable beacuse wdgt_va_12h_hors:wdgt_va_minutes wdgt_va_am makes status corner wider thn screen |
| 08:27.32 | plate | ive reinstalled all locale stuff countless times |
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| 08:27.50 | plate | even grep Package /var/lib/dpkg/status|cut -f 1 | xargs apt-get install --reinstall 947 packages |
| 08:28.09 | plate | added entries to /etc/locale-gen, run locale-gen, and dpkg --reinstall'd locales |
| 08:28.10 | plate | nothing works |
| 08:28.34 | psycho_oreos | reflash? ;) |
| 08:28.36 | plate | /usr/lib/locales/locale-archive generates fine, and finally |
| 08:28.51 | plate | the control panel *Crashes* the entire OS trying to select a region, and the menu is now blank |
| 08:29.10 | plate | spent a ton of time manually compiling obscure stuff thats not in any repo |
| 08:29.14 | plate | not about to reflash all that away |
| 08:29.37 | plate | ive got a pretty solid dev setup on it for wahtever framework i want etc, but damn if i cant get hildon to not idiotically obscure the damn app menus |
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| 08:30.06 | psycho_oreos | you should have created backups using backupmenu which robbiethe1st created :) |
| 08:30.13 | plate | ok |
| 08:30.34 | plate | it all started when i rm -rf'd /usr/share/locale due to 0 bytes of disk free on / |
| 08:30.42 | plate | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.52 | psycho_oreos | well I don't know apart from that.. I have ran into that issue before but in the end I resorted to reflashing.. this was before I had backupmenu |
| 08:30.54 | plate | which i did, every single one in apt-cache search! |
| 08:30.59 | plate | ok |
| 08:31.03 | plate | ~backupmenu |
| 08:31.04 | infobot | from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 08:31.11 | psycho_oreos | I thought they were in opt wasn't it? |
| 08:31.18 | psycho_oreos | those locales |
| 08:31.47 | plate | proably soem unoptified debian-sid pkg i installed ;) |
| 08:32.03 | plate | migght just backup my ruby/python/ghc binaries and reflash though |
| 08:32.26 | plate | seems crazy to reflash though, i want to figure out the real way to fix it |
| 08:33.20 | psycho_oreos | there has to be a reason why it crashes, if you could try running that settings program through X terminal and see if you can get anything useful out of it |
| 08:33.44 | plate | seen several forum posters claiming it crashes |
| 08:33.49 | plate | back to pr1.1 even. whokknows |
| 08:34.08 | plate | copa_ap_cp_nam is the symbol in app-list , i donno what the binary is |
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| 08:34.17 | psycho_oreos | wait.. aren't we talking about N900 or which maemo device specifically? |
| 08:34.26 | plate | n900 pr1.3 + cssu |
| 08:34.32 | plate | but probs happened before any cssu upgrades so not blaming that |
| 08:35.00 | psycho_oreos | yeah I thought as much, hmm |
| 08:35.56 | plate | gonna try symlinking it to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale |
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| 08:56.41 | plate | ssh and strace controlpanel |
| 08:56.46 | plate | rt_sigaction(SIGWINCH, {SIG_DFL, [], SA_RESTART|0x4000000}, NULL, 8) = 0 |
| 08:56.51 | plate | so weird, its like 'freak out and reboot entire OS' |
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| 09:05.40 | psycho_oreos | unfortuately strace isn't really my field of experience.. so that bit of line you posted made very little sense to me.. all I can sense is that it was the last bit of message before the whole thing rebooted |
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| 09:16.12 | plate | kill -9 hildon-desktop and straceing it i see it opening /usr/share/locale/en_US which does exist, so hrmpf |
| 09:16.20 | plate | its still shoving in the default straings somehow |
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| 09:17.21 | plate | that SA_RESTART is something about retriggering a signal i think, not rebooting |
| 09:17.26 | plate | cuz i see it happening other times |
| 09:17.47 | plate | guess i should pole aroudn in /dev/mtdoops to see if aby sort of OS crash log is being written |
| 09:18.04 | plate | still dont get how a crashy controlpanel brings down an entire OS tho |
| 09:18.09 | plate | feels like a Mac circa 1992 |
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| 09:19.56 | plate | SA_RESTART Provide behaviour compatible with BSD signal semantics by making certain system calls restartable across signals." |
| 09:20.14 | plate | atleast this is UNIX. gotta love how hildon-desktop is just an X client |
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| 09:24.15 | plate | i just remembered, im using debian sid's GLIBC that could have somethin gto do with hildon invisibly failing |
| 09:24.25 | plate | praobly i should bite hte bullet and continue sidification process then |
| 09:24.30 | plate | tweaks |
| 09:25.12 | plate | nothin glike a good frankensys |
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| 13:04.35 | lardman | A belated Happy New Year to all |
| 13:04.47 | lardman | SpeedEvil: ping |
| 13:06.01 | SpeedEvil | ong |
| 13:06.02 | SpeedEvil | p |
| 13:06.05 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 13:06.10 | SpeedEvil | You too |
| 13:06.18 | lardman | I trust you had a nice Xmas? |
| 13:06.29 | SpeedEvil | Not great. |
| 13:06.32 | SpeedEvil | But meh. |
| 13:06.33 | lardman | I was wanting to pick your brain re barcodes and Tescos lookups |
| 13:06.36 | SpeedEvil | Sure |
| 13:06.37 | lardman | oh :( |
| 13:07.13 | lardman | I'm wondering whether there are any open or free access sources of barcode/product description -> nutritional data |
| 13:07.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:07.23 | SpeedEvil | well |
| 13:07.26 | SpeedEvil | free access, not open |
| 13:07.34 | lardman | Well, part way :) |
| 13:07.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/bar/ - list of barcodes as of middlish of last year |
| 13:07.56 | SpeedEvil | from tesco |
| 13:08.01 | SpeedEvil | to product descriptions |
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| 13:08.51 | lardman | cool |
| 13:09.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.techfortesco.com/forum/index.php?board=13.0 - the API documents |
| 13:09.56 | lardman | nice, thanks :) |
| 13:10.03 | SpeedEvil | really easy API |
| 13:10.24 | lardman | any dbs containing nutritional data about products? I'm after carbohydrate, fibre and protein? |
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| 13:10.34 | SpeedEvil | not quite |
| 13:10.39 | SpeedEvil | you ask it per-product |
| 13:10.47 | lardman | ah it does that too, cool |
| 13:11.00 | SpeedEvil | but it does actually say somewhere in the site that some functionality can only be gotten by scraping. |
| 13:11.12 | lardman | ok, I'll do some digging |
| 13:11.13 | SpeedEvil | and that this should be done on your server, not by all the clients! |
| 13:11.19 | lardman | lol |
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| 13:12.18 | lardman | background - am scratching an itch and looking for correlations between blood sugar, insulin dosage, exercise, etc., and need to find an easy way to record the data, as there's no way I'll write it all down manually |
| 13:12.22 | lardman | at least not after the first day |
| 13:12.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/ |
| 13:13.00 | SpeedEvil | Is something you should look at |
| 13:13.08 | SpeedEvil | I've been using it for the last couple of years. |
| 13:13.35 | SpeedEvil | It basically is almost annoying enough to make me write something better. |
| 13:13.37 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 13:13.55 | lardman | I grabbed a couple of Android apps that allow barcode scanning and they perform lookups, I was considering hacking their lookup commands |
| 13:14.08 | edheldil | lardman: into mBarcode? |
| 13:14.21 | SpeedEvil | lardman: What I'd really want wouldn't be solely barcode based. |
| 13:14.45 | SpeedEvil | I mean - sure - that's handy for entering the basic info - but you need weight too |
| 13:15.03 | lardman | edheldil: no, though that should be easy enough to add once I work out the commands - progress has been slow, need to get the bloody delegates finished for the N9(50) version, then look at extra plugins |
| 13:15.30 | lardman | SpeedEvil: sure, though some barcodes presumably are for different weights of products |
| 13:15.42 | lardman | it's just an added way or removing typing |
| 13:15.44 | SpeedEvil | I rarely eat a whole tub of ice-cream. |
| 13:15.47 | lardman | s/or/of |
| 13:15.53 | lardman | lol |
| 13:16.02 | SpeedEvil | It would also be useful to key off other stuff. |
| 13:16.07 | lardman | Well I'd have # servings and/or weight |
| 13:16.07 | SpeedEvil | So you can scan some coffee. |
| 13:16.33 | SpeedEvil | And say 'I never eat this alone, it's a key for 1.5g of coffee, 100g of skimmed milk' |
| 13:16.51 | SpeedEvil | But practically, you probably want a scrolly list of pictures of foods to click |
| 13:16.56 | lardman | yes, have some preset "meals" |
| 13:17.15 | SpeedEvil | The 'meals' concept of livestrong is useful. |
| 13:17.27 | SpeedEvil | you have a group of foods that total (say) 700 calories. |
| 13:17.30 | SpeedEvil | you enter that. |
| 13:17.47 | SpeedEvil | and then you can click into it, and - if for example you had more potatos - you can bump up the quantity. |
| 13:18.07 | SpeedEvil | and it recalculates calories/fiber/... |
| 13:18.08 | lardman | yes, would work for set meals |
| 13:18.19 | SpeedEvil | Adding pedo functions would be good too |
| 13:18.31 | lardman | I'm just trying to get a handle on how to collect data without it being too annoying for me |
| 13:18.52 | SpeedEvil | Having done this for a while - at least for me - barcodes would be less useful. |
| 13:18.58 | lardman | I was considering that, but also looking at wifi ap changes vs time to calculate distance |
| 13:19.28 | lardman | SpeedEvil: ok, was only to be one input method, and potentially a way of populating a database to be searched by name/picture/category |
| 13:19.51 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.03 | SpeedEvil | How does that work for half a cabbage? |
| 13:20.07 | SpeedEvil | Or an apple? |
| 13:20.30 | SpeedEvil | I'm probably mentioning things that are v2 issues. |
| 13:20.43 | SpeedEvil | but I've been sort-of-thinking about this for a while. |
| 13:20.55 | lardman | don't eat cabbage? ;) |
| 13:21.02 | SpeedEvil | basically everytime I go to enter food info into annoying ad-laden website. |
| 13:21.05 | lardman | scan the barcode for the cabbage? |
| 13:21.25 | SpeedEvil | And if you've thrown the packing away when you opened the cabbage and ate it yesterday? |
| 13:21.38 | lardman | there is also a foc US database of standard items so I understand |
| 13:21.44 | lardman | so that could be searched by name |
| 13:21.47 | SpeedEvil | some sort of 'recent foods' would be useful. |
| 13:21.52 | SpeedEvil | for the above case. |
| 13:22.11 | SpeedEvil | How useful this sort of thing is to you depends drastically on stuff. |
| 13:22.29 | SpeedEvil | For example, how often you eat meals prepared by someone who is not prepared to work out the caloriwe content |
| 13:23.41 | lardman | I know what's in my meals, and how much, so I'd assume the sw would do that for me |
| 13:24.11 | SpeedEvil | If you can input the ingredients - it's mostly easy. |
| 13:24.34 | SpeedEvil | Though some annoying products only have the 'when griled' for example - and assume that some fat frains off. |
| 13:24.49 | lardman | ah I see |
| 13:25.17 | lardman | well calories are not actually that important for me, though I suppose I should make it sufficiently flexible - I'm really looking at blood sugar |
| 13:25.30 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough. |
| 13:25.32 | lardman | so fat is immaterial |
| 13:25.48 | SpeedEvil | I've been concentrating on weight, so calories are important. |
| 13:25.48 | lardman | though with that said it may well correlate to speed of carbohydrate release |
| 13:26.02 | SpeedEvil | I went from ~95Kg to ~75Kg |
| 13:26.05 | lardman | in which case it is of some importance for me too |
| 13:26.19 | lardman | is constant at 96kg |
| 13:26.21 | SpeedEvil | Also fat diabetic people are at much more risk of complications. |
| 13:26.26 | SpeedEvil | So dieting is important |
| 13:26.42 | SpeedEvil | (not saying you're fat, you may simply be big-boned) |
| 13:26.48 | SpeedEvil | Or 8 feet tall. |
| 13:26.51 | lardman | indeed, though in the first instance I only really want to see how one can correlate food exercise general activity etc |
| 13:27.14 | lardman | I'm not fat don't worry, despite the name :) |
| 13:27.58 | SpeedEvil | I've not found muych wrong with caliories in - calories out = 7000/Kg |
| 13:28.29 | SpeedEvil | I wish transcutaneous glucometry was easier. |
| 13:28.43 | lardman | yes indeed |
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| 13:28.58 | lardman | sub sampling is bad news |
| 13:30.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mendeley.com/research/new-noninvasive-method-measuring-blood-glucose-using-instantaneous-differential-near-infrared-spectrophotometry/ - hmm, that's not terrible. |
| 13:30.06 | lardman | speaking of calories, /me goes to grab a sandwich, bbiab |
| 13:30.10 | SpeedEvil | oh 1700nm |
| 13:30.11 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 13:30.23 | SpeedEvil | that's an annoying range meaning you need to go to exotic detectors |
| 13:31.42 | lardman | only single point detector though, so still doable |
| 13:31.48 | lardman | though cryogenic presumably |
| 13:31.56 | SpeedEvil | not at 1700nm |
| 13:32.07 | SpeedEvil | germanium should do it, if it was easily available. |
| 13:32.30 | SpeedEvil | You need an actual scanning element - which is a pity - if Ge CCDs were available, it'd be easy - but they're not |
| 13:33.59 | lardman | Gallium? |
| 13:34.05 | SpeedEvil | Ow - $240 for the detector. Germanium |
| 13:34.15 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&site=US&WT.z_homepage_link=hp_go_button&KeyWords=ingaas |
| 13:34.55 | lardman | indium gallium arsenide |
| 13:35.15 | SpeedEvil | Seems to be more available than germanium |
| 13:35.16 | lardman | germanium is for the lens, transparent to IR |
| 13:35.30 | SpeedEvil | you can also get germanium photodiodes |
| 13:35.39 | lardman | ah ok |
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| 13:36.02 | lardman | looks like some uncooled CCDs can operate at that range with appropriate filtering, from a quick Google |
| 13:36.04 | SpeedEvil | the whole optics to do that would be deeply annoying too |
| 13:36.18 | lardman | if it';s only single point then it's not so important |
| 13:36.26 | SpeedEvil | silicon tends to peter out at ~1000nm tops IIRC |
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| 17:27.36 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/16/nokia_patents/ |
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| 17:33.11 | AndrewX192 | My N900 is saying "Device malfunction, reboot in 10 seconds" |
| 17:34.02 | Lava_Croft | :'( |
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| 17:34.11 | AndrewX192 | So like 1/10 times it boots |
| 17:34.14 | AndrewX192 | It's completely random |
| 17:34.28 | AndrewX192 | Maybe Estel_ knows :) |
| 17:34.29 | Lava_Croft | dont send it in to nokia |
| 17:34.40 | Lava_Croft | they just hand you an N8, or probably now a Lumia |
| 17:34.50 | Estel_ | haha, it seems that DocScrutinizer went berserker again |
| 17:34.59 | Lava_Croft | isnt that dude berzerk all the time? |
| 17:35.02 | Estel_ | well, I'm banned on maemo-ssu ;) |
| 17:35.16 | Lava_Croft | i would be berzerk too |
| 17:35.24 | Lava_Croft | if my hostmask had openmoko in it |
| 17:35.36 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: My N900 says "Device Malfunction, reboot in 10 seconds" in green text at the Nokia screen :| |
| 17:35.37 | ShadowJK | I once knew the situatuin that causes device malfunction message |
| 17:35.39 | ShadowJK | but i forgot |
| 17:35.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, I'll kick you Estel_ from freenode when you don't stop messingf with onjoin |
| 17:36.02 | AndrewX192 | ShadowJK: TMO threads seem to relate it to the battery and the kernel being flashed |
| 17:36.11 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I just contributed to bugtesting |
| 17:36.20 | AndrewX192 | But the battery is fully charged (just charged overnight) and same thing with a different battery |
| 17:36.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | fu |
| 17:36.37 | ShadowJK | i think it was related to not finding the emmc, or not being able to mount stuff. |
| 17:36.44 | Estel_ | onjoin is fixed on #maemo so i tested it on #maemo-ssu |
| 17:36.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | 'isnt that a bug that the bomb goes BOOOM whe I hit that red button?' |
| 17:37.02 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, imagine what could happen if blackhats would find it first, not me ;) |
| 17:37.11 | Lava_Croft | AndrewX192: get DT-33 |
| 17:37.15 | Lava_Croft | external battery charger |
| 17:37.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | then you would live longer |
| 17:37.23 | Estel_ | for example onjoining porn sites |
| 17:37.51 | Estel_ | Well, could I ask You kindly to unban me from maemo-ssu? ;) |
| 17:37.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: you're pushing your luck |
| 17:38.03 | AndrewX192 | I just don't get why it doesn't work 9/10 times and 1/10 times it starts up without any problem |
| 17:38.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm MEGAPISSED |
| 17:38.12 | Lava_Croft | AndrewX192: n900 character:P |
| 17:38.22 | Lava_Croft | pissed over some IRC stuff? |
| 17:38.29 | Lava_Croft | grab a tea, relax:< |
| 17:38.39 | AndrewX192 | IRC drama |
| 17:38.40 | Estel_ | well, that's just me probably. Didn't mean to piss You, but isn't it a best way to check if it's actually fixed? ;) |
| 17:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | YES, as estel makes infobot get kicked for spamming |
| 17:38.59 | Lava_Croft | wow |
| 17:39.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 17:39.03 | Estel_ | *splitted cofee* |
| 17:39.03 | Lava_Croft | he makes your bot be kicked |
| 17:39.08 | Lava_Croft | im not that impressed |
| 17:39.15 | Lava_Croft | really, overreacting much? |
| 17:39.23 | Lava_Croft | oh well, have fun with it |
| 17:39.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~part |
| 17:39.41 | infobot | /part |
| 17:39.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | done |
| 17:40.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ |
| 17:40.11 | Estel_ | added benefit. I just set in infobot to inform DocScrutinizer about issue, byt actually using that issue. |
| 17:40.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 17:40.38 | Estel_ | no idea about kicking, but sounds lolish. eh. |
| 17:40.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm consoidering to kickban you *again* here as well |
| 17:41.03 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: you should tell me why my N900 is bootlooping :| |
| 17:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | for IRC abuse |
| 17:41.13 | Estel_ | well, You actually fixed that issue, and I can promise to not touch onjoin again anywhere, even on my own irc channel ;) |
| 17:41.16 | ruskie | why not just get some opers involved? |
| 17:41.41 | Estel_ | well, I actually wasnt abusing it. Abuse would be to put adveristment into onjoin. |
| 17:42.00 | Estel_ | I just did it for good reasons, informing You about boomb. By making loud noise. |
| 17:42.26 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, despite being pissed off, You must admit that there is some humour involved. |
| 17:42.27 | ruskie | yes because the right recation in a crowded airport is to run in and yell bomb when you find it |
| 17:42.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | YOU FOOOOOL!!!!!!! each time you 'touch' onjoin, you make *me* make infobot spam DOZENS of channels, as you're too dull to get how t works |
| 17:42.36 | ruskie | ow and here come some nice people with flashy bits |
| 17:42.48 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: http://nin101.uni.cx/N900/crypto/mass-storage/ |
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| 17:43.48 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, hey, if one non-op on some random channel can make infobot spam dozens of channels, it is an issue, isn't it? |
| 17:44.23 | Estel_ | it's better to know about it sooner than later? I wasnt having idea about other channels, by the way |
| 17:45.03 | Lava_Croft | so wait |
| 17:45.07 | Estel_ | anyway, I can promise to not abuse - in any means, including sexual - Your pet infobot |
| 17:45.10 | Lava_Croft | all this is about broken code somewhere? |
| 17:45.13 | Estel_ | yea |
| 17:45.20 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer51 sounds like Bioware then |
| 17:45.38 | Lava_Croft | in their game, its not allowed to dance in fron of hostile NPCs |
| 17:45.45 | Lava_Croft | because of a bug, their attacks will not hit you then |
| 17:45.50 | Estel_ | shhh, You make him bankick me, I would be forced to use new nick :< |
| 17:45.51 | Lava_Croft | you get banned for dancing in front of hostile NPCs |
| 17:46.17 | Lava_Croft | it might be a nice suggestion to tell Estel_ that you will fix the code, while Estel_ promises not to purposefully touch the bug |
| 17:46.27 | Lava_Croft | instead of raging against estel |
| 17:46.31 | Estel_ | I promised it anyway ;) |
| 17:46.45 | Lava_Croft | and getting MEGAPISSED over some IRC stuff is really unhealthy |
| 17:46.52 | Lava_Croft | i can only imagine how something in the real world might affect you |
| 17:47.00 | Estel_ | sorry AndrewX192 I'll check Your bug in a while |
| 17:47.02 | Lava_Croft | and the people around you |
| 17:47.22 | Estel_ | I'm now fighting to save my nick, as they want to cut it off from me for abusing infobot |
| 17:47.32 | Estel_ | well, whatever it sounds. |
| 17:47.37 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: Is it possible to debug a boot, so I can see why it's rebooting? |
| 17:47.53 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer51: Why not implement an ignore feature in the bot? |
| 17:48.18 | Estel_ | AndrewX192, You're making it worse :P |
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| 17:48.52 | NIN102 | AndrewX192: let me guess, you edited /etc/event.d/rcS-late without testing it before modifing that file? |
| 17:48.54 | Lava_Croft | i think DocScrutinizer51 knows about the broken bot and i think Estel_ knows about the touchy bug |
| 17:48.54 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: but really. How can I see the reason for the boot loop? I have access to BackupMenu |
| 17:48.57 | Lava_Croft | best just leave it alone |
| 17:49.26 | AndrewX192 | NIN102: I modified that file to move to ext4 /home, but it DOES work.. just not 100% of the time |
| 17:49.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm busy at work right now. I'm not master of infobot, only (one of the) bot admin. Bot HAS an ignore feature, we always thought we don't need it as users are not as stubburn as estel |
| 17:49.40 | AndrewX192 | And that's not logical |
| 17:49.55 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer51: not handier to fix the actual bug? |
| 17:49.56 | AndrewX192 | The paritions are clean |
| 17:50.03 | Lava_Croft | or just plain too much work? |
| 17:50.18 | Estel_ | hey I'm not stubborn |
| 17:50.30 | Estel_ | I used it once by accident, then You fixed it |
| 17:50.31 | NIN102 | AndrewX192: so you didn't change anything to implement swap encryption? |
| 17:50.52 | AndrewX192 | NIN102: no, I was just linking that article |
| 17:50.54 | Estel_ | so on new channel I used it once on purpose, to check if there isnt a bug making it to work again |
| 17:51.03 | NIN102 | ah ok. |
| 17:51.44 | AndrewX192 | NIN102: All I've done is switch optfs to ext4, and modify rcS-late and gen....* in /usr/lib/ to change ext3 to ext4 |
| 17:52.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: I AM AWARE OF the OnJoin problem, way better than you. NO NEED TO TEST. You ever touching OJ again will earn you a ban on * |
| 17:52.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | (last applies for others as well) |
| 17:52.40 | Estel_ | totally agree. If I ever touch onjoin again, I'll opt for ban for myself! |
| 17:52.43 | Lava_Croft | that sounds like the Microsoft way to deal with bugs |
| 17:52.44 | Lava_Croft | way to go |
| 17:52.49 | Estel_ | now, can You unban me on maemo-ssu? ;) |
| 17:52.56 | Lava_Croft | i think i know why i never really was here |
| 17:53.01 | Lava_Croft | theres a source of negative energy here |
| 17:53.02 | AndrewX192 | NIN102: and so now sometimes it does a complete boot without issues, and sometimes it just reboots a bunch of times until it succeds |
| 17:53.02 | Lava_Croft | bye |
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| 17:53.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, by the way, Yo7've fixed it on #maemo. Why isn't simple fix possible on #maemo-ssu? |
| 17:53.43 | Estel_ | i.e. disabling it for users like on #maemo ? |
| 17:54.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | because idiots like you will mess with it on #debian instead |
| 17:54.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | or any of |
| 17:54.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~chaninfo |
| 17:54.47 | infobot | 121/121 channels, 5113 users, 3656 unique: #debian/1173, #kde/391, #maemo/306, #meego/300, #asterisk/197, #harmattan/187, #gsoc/177, #webos-internals/149, #wowuidev/146, #oe/134, #wowace/134, #wowhead/115, #openmoko/104, #openmoko-cdevel/81, #htc-linux/79, #uclibc/72, #utah/64, #bzflag/60, #curseforge/58, #edev/54, #tomcat/54, #asterisk-dev/51, #n9/48, #sc2mapster/46, #maemo-ssu/46, #/39, #uphpu/37, #slug/35, #elinux/32, #diablofans/31, ... |
| 17:55.37 | Estel_ | erm, aren't You little overreactive anyway? btw, You havent answered my side-question about disabling onjoin for users, like on #maemo |
| 17:56.07 | Estel_ | well, so I contributed to disabling possible dangerous feature? cool. |
| 17:56.10 | Estel_ | joking |
| 17:56.54 | Estel_ | Can You already unban me on maemo-ssu? got buisness there ;) registering new nick *shoul* take longer than unbanning, yep? |
| 17:57.15 | ruskie | Estel_, what gives you the idea that a new nick will solve anything? |
| 17:57.48 | Estel_ | (anyway, the could mention me on Debian credits. If no by a small font and in reverse. Would look like 'infobot onjoin disabled thanks to let see) |
| 17:58.26 | Estel_ | experience with dynamic IP range @ dynamic IP first two sections. I imagine DocScrutinizer isnt so anrgy to ban whole world. |
| 17:58.32 | Estel_ | Of course, it doesnt matter |
| 17:58.43 | Estel_ | as I'm on the light side. No wish to exploit bugs here. |
| 17:59.18 | Estel_ | jokes aside, I really tested it only because I thought that he might left it open for new bot channel, and it may be problematic if someone less resp.onsible discovers it. |
| 18:00.11 | Estel_ | so, DocScrutinizer, really excuse me for ay inconveicence it caused. |
| 18:00.45 | Estel_ | Would be thankful, if You could unban me on cssu channel, and I won't touch - sexually or not - Your infobot, promised. |
| 18:00.50 | Estel_ | now I'm off, see ya. |
| 18:01.30 | ruskie | doesn't need to be the whole world... just the whole ISP ;) |
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| 18:15.56 | AndrewX192 | Checking for bootloop with my base build (pre ext4) |
| 18:16.23 | AndrewX192 | Device Malfunction! rebooting in 10 seconsd |
| 18:19.31 | kerio | vaguely swollen battery - wat do? |
| 18:19.38 | kerio | duck for cover and run away? |
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| 18:20.23 | AndrewX192 | I have a seemingly legit backup battery from Amazon |
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| 18:58.13 | norayr | Is there a way to hide carrier name on the desktop? |
| 18:59.04 | SpeedEvil | tippex |
| 18:59.09 | SpeedEvil | It's the only way. |
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| 20:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | Where's that estel_ guy??? |
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| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:30] *** Das Thema wurde am 2011-07-25 04:09 von DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg gesetzt. |
| 20:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:32] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel |
| 20:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:34] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel |
| 20:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:47] *** Kanalmodi: +Cn |
| 20:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
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| 20:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just kickban-happy now, but neither estel_ nor any of his supporters is around anymore. Typical |
| 20:22.23 | DocScrutinizer | finds out about estel_'s address, and calls the fire brigades in his name. Then points out "it's a big bug in how your fire protection is working!", and calls the brigades just another 5 times, to let estel_ know for good |
| 20:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | estel_, get rif of your phone!!!! So nobody could pretend anymore he's you when calling fire brigade |
| 20:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | calls fire brigades a 6th time, in estel_'s name |
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| 20:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | estel_, sucker, won't you say "thank you DocScrutinizer for testing this bug for me!", HUH?? |
| 20:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | DAMN, it's A KNOWN ISSUE, and the one who understands *least* about it, is YOU!! |
| 20:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | goes beating up estel_ with a baseball bat, telling him with friendly voice "look dude, that'S a serious security flaw in your personal life. You should feel happy it's *ME* and not somebody even worse beating the shit out of you" |
| 20:27.57 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer: please stop trolling the channel with you vs Estel_ crap :| |
| 20:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | turns to lava_croft to give him a taste about proper security testing, involving a baseball bat |
| 20:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | it's NOT "me vs estel" - it's estel vs infobot&IRC |
| 20:29.42 | AndrewX192 | He's not even here, so why are you talking about it |
| 20:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | to let you all know why I will kicj the shit outa him next time he drops by |
| 20:30.37 | AndrewX192 | Meh, he's helped me, I say leave it alone and forget about the problem |
| 20:30.44 | AndrewX192 | Whatever he did with infobot doesn't effect me |
| 20:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | what a flavour of motron are YOU Sir? |
| 20:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | leave the problem alone? |
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| 20:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | forget about infobot spamming dozens of channels with bullshit estel_ told him to do? |
| 20:31.56 | AndrewX192 | It doesn't effect me |
| 20:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | *I* can change THAT |
| 20:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | so you better stfu |
| 20:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | instead of commenting on issues you have no idea about |
| 20:33.06 | AndrewX192 | All I said is let's just stop talking about it |
| 20:33.28 | AndrewX192 | I don't see why you are doing a single sided conversation (rant) in #maemo about your feelings about someone. |
| 20:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm doing this *because* I'm admin of the bot as well as admin of several channels that get spammed thanks to estel_ idiocy |
| 20:34.45 | AndrewX192 | Right, sounds like this is between you and Estel_ |
| 20:34.55 | AndrewX192 | Not you, estel_, and #maemo |
| 20:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 20:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~chanset #maemo -OnJoin |
| 20:35.30 | infobot | Unsetting OnJoin for #maemo; was '0'. |
| 20:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | here you are |
| 20:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | now it affects *you* as well |
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| 20:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | or would you prefer I'd create an onjoin message just for you? |
| 20:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, this is between estel_ and |
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| 20:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo |
| 20:37.55 | infobot | 121/121 channels, 5191 users, 3710 unique: #debian/1183, #kde/397, #maemo/302, #meego/295, #asterisk/192, #harmattan/190, #gsoc/185, #wowuidev/159, #webos-internals/152, #wowace/146, #oe/140, #wowhead/114, #openmoko/108, #openmoko-cdevel/82, #htc-linux/78, #uclibc/72, #utah/65, #bzflag/64, #curseforge/62, #tomcat/56, #edev/54, #maemo-ssu/49, #asterisk-dev/48, #n9/47, #sc2mapster/47, #uphpu/42, #/37, #slug/35, #elinux/33, #diablofans/32, ... |
| 20:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | all of those chan possibly affected by estel_ instructing infobot to spam |
| 20:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | now you could say "take it to d |
| 20:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | #debian please" |
| 20:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | but alas estel_ started that shit here in this chan, so I put an end to it here. One way or the other |
| 20:40.34 | befr0d | what did he put? |
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| 20:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm reluctant to tell any details |
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| 20:41.22 | befr0d | heh ok |
| 20:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | he found an "exploit" in infobot (actually a known exploit that so far never caused problems as users were responsible with using it) |
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| 20:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | he's using the exploit in the worst possible way, to show infobot andmins how poor infobot security is - since TWO WEEKS NOW, EVERY DAY |
| 20:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | I asked him to stop it please, we (infobot maintainers) are aware |
| 20:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | result: |
| 20:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:30] *** Das Thema wurde am 2011-07-25 04:09 von DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg gesetzt. |
| 20:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:32] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel |
| 20:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:34] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel |
| 20:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:47] *** Kanalmodi: +Cn |
| 20:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
| 20:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | and this spam is on dozens of channels, just not here because I blocked it here, hoping he wouldn't use the "exploit" then |
| 20:44.31 | befr0d | well that sucks yea |
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| 20:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | since AndrewX192 stated it doesn't affect *him* so I shall "forget about the problem", you got that spam back now here in this chan as well, courtesy /me enabling OnJoin for #maemo again |
| 20:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | so estel is free now to spam all 121 chan, not 121 - #mameo - #maemo-ssu |
| 20:50.32 | befr0d | can't you fix infobot ? |
| 20:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | alas not, I'm only admin, not owner |
| 20:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~owner |
| 20:51.10 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 20:51.51 | befr0d | yea, I would patch the thing, and then kick estel_'s ass |
| 20:51.51 | befr0d | :P |
| 20:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | I can do almost everything to infobot, except cold reboots when bot isn't online, and tweaks to sourcecode |
| 20:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | it's Tim's server and I got no root account there |
| 20:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | so it will take another few days until my suggested patches get implemented by Tim, and I thought it's not asking for too much when estel_ stops his mess until then |
| 20:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | onviously I've been mistaken on that |
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| 20:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | btw somebody suggested an ignore function - infobot already HAS ~ignore for particular users/nicks, but we don't have it enabled due to CPU load penalty for the additional test on every post on every of the (now) 121 chan |
| 20:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | we didn't need it until estel_ came |
| 20:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | I can switch off OnJoin globally, thus breaking all legitimate uses other users need it for, thanks estel_ - I'm still a bit reluctant to do this |
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| 20:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~chanset _default OnJoin |
| 20:59.33 | infobot | OnJoin for _default is '1' |
| 21:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | costs me 3 seconds to "fix" the issue - but then it's thanks estel_ ~4000 users are losing a feature of infobot they maybe never noticed but is helping to make their IRC life easier |
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| 21:03.46 | AndrewX192 | What's the difference about the roosh in extras-devel? |
| 21:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | usual syntax: "difference between A *and B*" |
| 21:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | though "what are the differences about that topic" might mean some people have an argument about it |
| 21:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know about any differences regarding rootsh |
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| 21:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 21:11.02 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
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| 21:36.56 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer: I'm being asked to upgrade to rootsh from extras-devel |
| 21:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | asked by whom? |
| 21:39.26 | AndrewX192 | HAM |
| 21:44.00 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: So, I'm back on ext4 again. Basically trying to reboot a whole stackload of times to see if it will die on me again |
| 21:44.18 | AndrewX192 | So far it has booted every time without issue |
| 21:44.30 | AndrewX192 | And it's running very fast |
| 21:45.22 | AndrewX192 | So far 10 boots without trouble |
| 21:46.33 | AndrewX192 | Hm, this time it's taking quite a bit of extra time |
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