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| 00:58.24 | AndrewX192 | What's the best way to access rootfs before the device boots (eg: backupmenu)? |
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| 01:08.39 | AndrewX192 | Ended up just using sed to make the replacements I needed |
| 01:08.45 | AndrewX192 | And got /home as ext4 |
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| 01:27.13 | ShadowJK | Your question was wrong |
| 01:27.24 | ShadowJK | if you could execute sed the device had booted |
| 01:27.26 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 01:27.40 | AndrewX192 | I did it from a terminal within BackupMenu :) |
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| 01:27.57 | AndrewX192 | I would have used vi, but the annoying battery spam caused issues |
| 01:28.37 | ShadowJK | battery spam? |
| 01:29.00 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, when you enter terminal in backupmenu it prints the state of the battery every 30 seconds |
| 01:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 01:31.12 | AndrewX192 | Hm? |
| 01:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | just sigh |
| 01:31.42 | AndrewX192 | Just installing CSSU again :|' |
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| 01:32.12 | Estel_ | AndrewX192, it's easily achievable to disable charging status messages |
| 01:32.26 | Estel_ | vi_ posted one linet edit in backupmenu thread |
| 01:32.39 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, that thread is 100 pages strong |
| 01:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | sigh for charge.sh printing diagnostics to stdout, sigh for backupmenu using it without taking care about that, and sigh about calling it spam instead of thinking to simply kill the background process and restart it >/dev/null |
| 01:32.57 | Estel_ | vi (editor, not user - this time) saved my ass few times while experimenting with truecrypt preboot authentication and home encryption |
| 01:33.06 | Estel_ | one of last few pages |
| 01:33.11 | Estel_ | if not last at all |
| 01:33.32 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, its one liner fix to redirect output to null |
| 01:33.44 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, I guess I could do that |
| 01:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: orly?! |
| 01:33.49 | AndrewX192 | I wasn't sure what was causing the output |
| 01:33.54 | Estel_ | don't be sighing or RST38h will ask You "what have You contributed to backupmenu" :P |
| 01:34.09 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: How well has truecrypt been working for you? |
| 01:34.15 | Estel_ | perfectly well |
| 01:34.22 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: performance wise? |
| 01:34.26 | Estel_ | well, I uploaded it to devel :P |
| 01:34.33 | Estel_ | tested it just yesterday |
| 01:34.40 | Estel_ | performance |
| 01:34.42 | Estel_ | not devel |
| 01:34.56 | AndrewX192 | I'm moved optfs to ext4 in hopes of better performance |
| 01:35.03 | AndrewX192 | I* |
| 01:35.12 | Estel_ | well, as encryption is done in memory, and even using 200mhz CPU it got more 'bandwidth" that our flash can handle |
| 01:35.16 | Estel_ | at least for write |
| 01:35.38 | Estel_ | it's no performance loss at all, unless You're on 100% cpu usage |
| 01:35.55 | Estel_ | AndrewX192, ext4 gives performance gain, but You need to set some thing |
| 01:36.00 | Estel_ | wait, how was it called... |
| 01:36.12 | Estel_ | wide strip or something (grill me for this something) :P |
| 01:36.19 | Estel_ | either creating ext4 or via tunefs |
| 01:36.26 | AndrewX192 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.37 | Estel_ | I'm talking about special support that was added for things with huge erase block size |
| 01:36.45 | Estel_ | it was added in ext4 |
| 01:36.58 | AndrewX192 | Is it supported in the power49 kernel? |
| 01:37.08 | Estel_ | as we got 256k block that need to be erased before rewrite, this options gain a lotta hell performance |
| 01:37.09 | AndrewX192 | I'm not sure how mature ext4 is in kernel-power |
| 01:37.18 | Estel_ | mature enough as I'm using it |
| 01:37.27 | AndrewX192 | For what partitions? |
| 01:37.33 | Estel_ | You just need to google it's real name cant recall now |
| 01:37.50 | Estel_ | /dev/mmcblk0p2, easy debian, and one truecrypted |
| 01:38.09 | AndrewX192 | I'd like to convert the fat32 MyDocs too |
| 01:38.10 | Estel_ | basically everything excepts vfats and rootfs |
| 01:38.14 | Estel_ | hm |
| 01:38.19 | AndrewX192 | Because svn checkouts on it fail |
| 01:38.33 | Estel_ | If You won't miss mass storage under w$ndoze, it's a way to go |
| 01:38.40 | AndrewX192 | I won't at all |
| 01:38.44 | AndrewX192 | I never use that feature anyway |
| 01:38.50 | AndrewX192 | I just scp to my device |
| 01:38.58 | Estel_ | so I recommend also encrypting it via truecrypt + script to mount it on reboot |
| 01:39.12 | Estel_ | this way Your photos etc will be encrypted in case of thievery |
| 01:39.19 | Estel_ | other way is to leave in unencrypted |
| 01:39.37 | AndrewX192 | I woulden't mind encrypting /home/user |
| 01:39.46 | Estel_ | but moving DCIM and other folders of interest to encrypted part and symlinking from non-vfat MyDocs |
| 01:39.52 | AndrewX192 | But not /opt, and not some of the folders in /home/user/MyDocs |
| 01:40.33 | AndrewX192 | Encrypting my conversations and such would be nice |
| 01:40.36 | Estel_ | well, considering that sometimes You probably use Your N900 at close-to 100% usage, I would recommend symlinking phonebook, contacts etc |
| 01:40.42 | Estel_ | instead of encrypting whole user |
| 01:40.52 | AndrewX192 | I suppose |
| 01:40.57 | AndrewX192 | But I'd have to symlink a lot of files |
| 01:41.05 | Estel_ | check TrueCrypt thread(s), what is needed for symlinking is listed there |
| 01:41.06 | AndrewX192 | or folders, for that matter |
| 01:41.11 | Estel_ | not so much |
| 01:41.17 | Estel_ | 4 or 5 folders |
| 01:41.36 | AndrewX192 | Hm, what about gconf? |
| 01:41.42 | Estel_ | hm? |
| 01:41.46 | AndrewX192 | It's on rootfs |
| 01:42.11 | Estel_ | do You store photos of girlfriend in bikini under gonf? ;) |
| 01:42.27 | AndrewX192 | No, but where would my IM/email passwords be stored? |
| 01:42.38 | AndrewX192 | I would hope in /home/user/* |
| 01:42.56 | Estel_ | good question. I hope not in gconf, anyway, I'm not using modest |
| 01:43.00 | Estel_ | so can't tell |
| 01:43.19 | AndrewX192 | Also, my VPN certs are in /etc/openvpn, but I can easily symlink that |
| 01:43.30 | Estel_ | i suppose somewhere under user, maybe /home/user/.config? |
| 01:43.39 | Estel_ | yea |
| 01:43.53 | Estel_ | well, beside standard ones, You should make list of places |
| 01:43.55 | AndrewX192 | I suppose I can just create another partition and start throwing this stuff in there |
| 01:43.58 | Estel_ | to not forget anything |
| 01:44.30 | AndrewX192 | I should encrypt my svn checkouts and what not though |
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| 01:44.33 | Estel_ | yea, partition, and truecrypt it. Yet, be sure to do it properly at first try, i.e. do not change password or keyfiles later |
| 01:45.03 | Estel_ | due to wear-leveling You would end up with few instances of same header with different masterpassword = aiding cryptoanalysis |
| 01:45.21 | Estel_ | not that anyone would be able to crack encryption in |
| 01:45.29 | Estel_ | bbillion years using that, but... |
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| 01:45.47 | Estel_ | it's recommended to not do so on hardware wear-leveled devices ;) |
| 01:47.35 | SpeedEvil | Well - assuming you dissasemble the flash - whivh is very tricky |
| 01:50.11 | Estel_ | exactly. And, two instances aren't still enough even for nsa ;) |
| 01:50.54 | Estel_ | well, I suppose that if AndrewX192 got contact with UFO, And NSA is interested, it's still unable to crack AES-TWOFISH cascade, even give 10 instances... |
| 01:51.16 | Estel_ | AndrewX192, btw, don't use serpent, KP lack modules for it |
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| 01:51.47 | Estel_ | for unknown reasons, as NIM101 prepared them for kp47. I must ask Pali, maybe they vanished like cdrom ones again |
| 01:53.41 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, but, why would it require to dissasemble flash? |
| 01:54.03 | Estel_ | just dd'ing whole surface _ empty also - should be enough to analyze it via some software |
| 01:54.38 | Estel_ | if we dump whole flash surface, we also get old fragments (waiting to be written @) |
| 01:56.13 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: umm - no |
| 01:56.23 | SpeedEvil | you can't _get_ to the empty blocks. |
| 01:56.33 | SpeedEvil | they are not mapped into the block interface. |
| 01:57.09 | SpeedEvil | So you either need to find the per-vendor dump commands, or you etch the package away - which will be _real_ fun with back-thinned chips, and probe them |
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| 02:34.53 | Hurrian | anybody else tried running gnome 3 with clutter-egl on n900? |
| 02:35.19 | Hurrian | not enough ram to work well |
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| 03:18.20 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: How did you repartition? |
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| 03:43.56 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, thanks for clarification |
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| 03:44.54 | Estel_ | AndrewX192, Preferrably, I just connect device in backupmenu's read&write mass storage mode to linuxbox (may be even liveCD/LiveUSB/livewhatever) and repartition from GUI tool |
| 03:45.21 | Estel_ | hate to do repartition therough terminal, too much error prone |
| 03:45.48 | Estel_ | especially, that we're working on ones containing data that we like to preserve |
| 03:46.00 | Estel_ | kde partition manager was working well for me |
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| 03:48.59 | AndrewX192 | Estel_: Okay, I was going to do the same, but what layout did you do? |
| 03:49.07 | AndrewX192 | Is a fat32 MyDocs still a requirement? |
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| 04:02.56 | Estel_ | no, MyDocs, as we talked before, is purely Your choice |
| 04:03.14 | Estel_ | as for layout I use strange but effective one ;) |
| 04:03.24 | Estel_ | I use mass storage sometimes, so |
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| 04:03.59 | Estel_ | mmcblk0p1 vfat, p2 ext4(home), p4 is 3GB EasyDebian... |
| 04:04.17 | Estel_ | p3 is extended partition containing p5 and p6 (truecrypt) |
| 04:04.28 | Estel_ | and p7 is 200 mb fallback swap |
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| 04:04.39 | Estel_ | normally I use swap on microSD |
| 04:05.32 | Estel_ | p5 truecrypt is general purpose one, that is mounted all the time - for photos, contacts, and whatever non life-saving thing, that yet I would not like to see in hands of any thief |
| 04:05.50 | Estel_ | I use it normally, with regular unencrypted swap on microSD enabled |
| 04:06.24 | Estel_ | p6 is supercool top-secret etc ;) partiton for things like are-51 livestock content |
| 04:06.38 | Estel_ | seriously though, for really important things |
| 04:06.58 | Estel_ | I always mount it manually and unmount just after using (no sitting in pocket mounted) |
| 04:07.11 | AndrewX192 | hm |
| 04:07.31 | Estel_ | also, before mounting it I enable *encrypted* emmc swap (this 200mb falback one) |
| 04:07.35 | Estel_ | disable regular one |
| 04:07.49 | Estel_ | and, after unmounting, I enable regular and disable encrypted |
| 04:07.57 | Estel_ | of course all done via script |
| 04:08.16 | AndrewX192 | I keep easydebian on my MicroSD card |
| 04:08.18 | AndrewX192 | (32GB) |
| 04:08.33 | Estel_ | so one script encrypting 200mb swap, enabling it, disabling regular one, and mounting p6 (prompting me for password and keyfiles) |
| 04:08.41 | Estel_ | and another one doing reverse |
| 04:09.00 | Estel_ | hm, for EasyDebian You use dedicated partition, *not* image file I hope? |
| 04:09.15 | AndrewX192 | Yeah |
| 04:09.18 | AndrewX192 | a ext2 one |
| 04:09.28 | AndrewX192 | It corrupts on a regular basis though |
| 04:09.30 | Estel_ | well, IMO it's better to have ED on eMMC and swap on microSD to avod I/O conflicts |
| 04:09.40 | Estel_ | as we dont have wnd uSD |
| 04:09.48 | AndrewX192 | I have two swap files with both set at -p0 |
| 04:10.15 | Estel_ | well, mine *never* corrupts, and I mount ED upon boot via etc/event.d script, so it's enabled all the time from boot to shutdown |
| 04:10.25 | AndrewX192 | My N900 deadlocks |
| 04:10.34 | Estel_ | two swap files is as useless as flash based RAID 0 :P |
| 04:10.35 | AndrewX192 | So I have to pull the battery and then it corrupts |
| 04:11.04 | Estel_ | trust me, I/O conflicts on eMMC is major cause of performance decrease when swapping |
| 04:11.19 | Estel_ | I use swap on microSD for a long time... |
| 04:11.55 | Estel_ | one day, after repartition for truecrypt, my internal swap was no longer pblk0pe but now blk0p7, so my script to unmount it wasn't working |
| 04:12.27 | Estel_ | I started my usual combo of applications - Chromium via ED, terminal to continue tinkering with truecrypt, + something else |
| 04:12.33 | Estel_ | and 4th program |
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| 04:13.01 | Estel_ | then, device almost stopped responding, returning back to input once every 15 or 30seconds |
| 04:13.22 | AndrewX192 | My N900 lags when I play audio :| |
| 04:13.24 | Estel_ | after first WTF I realized that eMMC swap is enabled together with microSD swap :P |
| 04:13.27 | AndrewX192 | PA fail |
| 04:13.37 | Estel_ | disabling eMMC swap fixed it instantly |
| 04:13.51 | AndrewX192 | So what do you keep on microsd? |
| 04:14.34 | Estel_ | well, now I use modified rcS-late instead of custom script, so my swap is set to microSD initially, instead of being set on eMMC, + enabled on microSD + disabled on eMMC |
| 04:14.49 | Estel_ | as it was with custom script as proposed in wiki |
| 04:15.18 | Estel_ | I just replaced swapon -a in rcS-late with swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 04:15.28 | Estel_ | microSD, I got class 2 8GB |
| 04:15.46 | Estel_ | 768 MB swap and wnd partition vfat for backupmenu backups |
| 04:15.57 | Estel_ | man, even with class 2 device fly with swap set there |
| 04:16.23 | Estel_ | + some custom seting re swap (*not* recommended swapollube values, they're outdated) |
| 04:17.19 | Estel_ | class 4 sandisk or another good company is best re swap on uSD (class 6 and 10 got higher bulk speed, but worse random) |
| 04:17.28 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, I have a class 10 |
| 04:17.51 | AndrewX192 | http://grabup.andrewx192.com/1326601058 |
| 04:17.57 | Estel_ | well, whatever You have device will feel better with swqp on it |
| 04:17.57 | AndrewX192 | Proposed new layout |
| 04:18.20 | AndrewX192 | Reformat the fat32 with truecrypt though |
| 04:18.40 | Estel_ | I see. Well, allocate those 64 MB, why to waste it |
| 04:18.52 | AndrewX192 | That was the default |
| 04:19.44 | Estel_ | I know |
| 04:19.50 | Estel_ | whp said default is best ;) |
| 04:20.05 | Estel_ | where is Your home? at extended partition? |
| 04:20.12 | AndrewX192 | If it isn't broken don't fix it |
| 04:20.27 | Estel_ | while it should work without problem and *should* not decrease performance |
| 04:20.33 | AndrewX192 | esdf2 |
| 04:20.44 | Estel_ | just to be on safe side, I would... |
| 04:20.46 | Estel_ | ah yes |
| 04:20.52 | Estel_ | only 2GB? 0_0 |
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| 04:21.02 | AndrewX192 | MyDocs on the 20GB |
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| 04:21.41 | Estel_ | Normally, people tend to increase optfs to have more room for installed things |
| 04:21.44 | Estel_ | hm |
| 04:21.58 | AndrewX192 | They share /home/ and /opt though |
| 04:22.03 | AndrewX192 | I can symlink stuff |
| 04:22.12 | Estel_ | if You don't want to rewrite every refference to /dev/mmcblk0p1 as MyDocs |
| 04:22.19 | Estel_ | true |
| 04:22.57 | Estel_ | I thyink You could resize MyDocs to 20GB and ext4 it, while putting this 2GB to extended |
| 04:23.23 | Estel_ | otherwise, You will always find something that need changing mmcblk0p1 :P |
| 04:24.23 | Estel_ | so if You're planning to use MyDocs as drop-in ext4 MyDocs replacement, leave it as partition 1, just resize and change filesystem (backup data first, no change from vfat to ext4 without scratch on content) |
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| 06:07.19 | yolin | hi guys |
| 06:08.36 | yolin | anyone can help me on web runtime on N900? |
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| 06:11.01 | yolin | is the maemo web runtime being updated? |
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| 06:22.46 | yolin | anyone knows how to do reverse IP lookup in linux |
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| 06:55.25 | AndrewX192 | yolin: host(1) |
| 06:55.42 | yolin | thanks |
| 06:59.58 | yolin | AndrewX192, am trying to find html and js files using 'find', am using this -> find . -regex '.*(js|html)' -type f, but its not working, do you know why? |
| 07:07.37 | AndrewX192 | yolin: use find . -regex '.*[js|html]' -type f instead? |
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| 13:38.47 | FIQ | hm, my N900 really has begun to fail |
| 13:38.58 | FIQ | in terms hardware |
| 13:39.32 | FIQ | sometimes it thinks the keyboard isn't out while it is, and now it thimks it is USB connected |
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| 13:44.27 | ShadowJK | :-( |
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| 14:03.46 | Macer | heh |
| 14:03.49 | Macer | that is odd |
| 14:04.06 | Macer | the usb port is probably hanging on edge |
| 14:04.19 | Macer | and swinging all over the place scraping across electronic components :) |
| 14:05.04 | Macer | FIQ: don't feel too bad i am on n900 #2 |
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| 14:05.27 | Macer | now with a battery charger and 3 batteries so i never have to unnecessarily touch the usb port after my last trauma |
| 14:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: first of all check if slider magnet came loose. It will cause erratic slider states and may cause shorts on other random places it falls to |
| 14:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | hitting device "hard" while holding it so magnet would fall out might help - I.E slide open, hold upright possibly top-down |
| 14:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | then shake |
| 14:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | see if loose "debris" causes sound or falls out |
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| 15:18.30 | jpinx | FIQ: taking it apat is no big deal if you are ompetent with small screwdrivers |
| 15:18.59 | jpinx | I bough a couple of "broken" N900's for spares, but ended up being able to get them all working again |
| 15:20.10 | jpinx | FIQ: and don't underestimate the power of re-flashing -- some apparent hardware hiccups ahve been fixed by this -- like the virtual kbd not appearing |
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| 15:37.42 | FIQ | <Macer> FIQ: don't feel too bad i am on n900 #2 |
| 15:37.45 | FIQ | i am too :D |
| 15:38.03 | FIQ | My first one got rid of its' microUSB port |
| 15:38.20 | FIQ | I got a new one on warranty, but I think the warranty is gone now |
| 15:38.31 | FIQ | as it was almost 2 years ago i got it |
| 15:39.25 | FIQ | <Macer> now with a battery charger and 3 batteries so i never have to unnecessarily touch the usb port after my last trauma |
| 15:39.51 | FIQ | Hm, I guess that's a decent idea (getting a battery charger) |
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| 16:12.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=18564 - latest prediction of reeentry for phobos-grunt spacecraft. Along the southeast coast of south-america all the way up, grazing africa, over the Med, crossing into russia, over china, and then touching the northeast coast of australia. - for anyone in those parts of the world. |
| 16:13.02 | SpeedEvil | (in an hour or sos time) |
| 16:15.36 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: In other words, it is not a prediciton, as it predicts this thing falling anywhere? |
| 16:16.06 | ShadowJK | wasn't it spotted on fire two days ago? |
| 16:16.28 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Along that line. |
| 16:16.36 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: So ~99% of the earth is not at risk |
| 16:17.01 | RST38h | ah |
| 16:17.03 | ShadowJK | looks like it's narrowed down to an orbit and a half? |
| 16:17.08 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 16:17.39 | SpeedEvil | There is almost no orbit you can imagine that is over land more. |
| 16:19.08 | ShadowJK | so if yesterday (or friday?) someone snapped a picture of it burning, it must be shedding mass, and this would reduce the drag, but on the other hand slow it down before mass is lost... |
| 16:19.18 | ShadowJK | it's amazing these things can be predicted at all |
| 16:19.30 | SpeedEvil | I think the 'burning' photo was radar |
| 16:19.40 | SpeedEvil | So it's false colour, and not flames |
| 16:19.46 | ShadowJK | oh :/ |
| 16:20.31 | SpeedEvil | you don't get flames or significant heating till about the orbit before it goes in. |
| 16:20.46 | SpeedEvil | (as in stuff may get hot, but not red hot) |
| 16:20.47 | RST38h | ShadowJK: So, do you want it to burn in the atmosphere and save the earthlings, or fall to the ground with lulz and kill some earthlings? |
| 16:21.31 | ShadowJK | RST38h; the thing that pisses me off, is that if they'd crash it in my backyard I wouldn't be allowed to keep the pieces |
| 16:21.42 | ShadowJK | i think it'd be a fair trade |
| 16:22.04 | RST38h | won't be much left, although you may be able to find a propellant tank or two |
| 16:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | BURNING? WTF? |
| 16:22.49 | RST38h | The funniest part is, this thing has been in development for 10+ years and malfunctioned because they saved on some components and QA |
| 16:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 16:23.13 | ShadowJK | RST38h; also it was fixed-price contract and unmovable deadline |
| 16:23.25 | RST38h | ShadowJK: That I do not know about |
| 16:23.49 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Given 10+ years development cycle, I would say there were many contracts and no strict deadlines to speak about |
| 16:23.51 | ShadowJK | and financial penalties for missing deadline |
| 16:24.25 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Probably some Soviet era retirees working on it to go off with a bang |
| 16:24.56 | RST38h | ShadowJK: + whatever bottom percentile of college graduates they could hire for $500/mo |
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| 16:26.41 | ShadowJK | Areva is building a nuclear reactor in finand at fixed-price contract too. Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for the world), there's a competent watchdog monitoring their work. |
| 16:28.28 | RST38h | probably depends more on the chosen technology than who is building it |
| 16:29.31 | ShadowJK | They were caught using a polish contractor for welding. The welders had no training for the work they were doing. |
| 16:30.48 | RST38h | think of how many they have not been caught for... ;) |
| 16:31.15 | ShadowJK | :) |
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| 17:10.55 | MohammadAG | moos |
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| 18:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you shocked everybody :-D |
| 18:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | WB! |
| 18:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | long time no see :-) |
| 18:16.10 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks :) |
| 18:16.16 | MohammadAG | I had an exam on Thursday |
| 18:16.22 | MohammadAG | and I lost my license today |
| 18:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | hope it worked well for you |
| 18:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | lost your licence? :-o |
| 18:16.54 | MohammadAG | driver's license |
| 18:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | what F*ing licence? and what means "lost"? |
| 18:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | like they caught you speeding? |
| 18:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | drinking? |
| 18:17.34 | MohammadAG | speeding |
| 18:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | or just 'lost it somewhere'? |
| 18:17.43 | MohammadAG | there was a highway where you can drive 200kmph |
| 18:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 18:17.46 | MohammadAG | so I was doing 160 |
| 18:17.53 | MohammadAG | there was a speed trap at the end of it |
| 18:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | oh well, that's life, when shit hits the fan |
| 18:18.26 | MohammadAG | where the speed limit gets to 90 |
| 18:18.40 | MohammadAG | actually I was doing 142 when he caught me |
| 18:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | you will get it back eventually? |
| 18:18.56 | MohammadAG | a month after tuesday, then I go to court in May and probably have it revoked for a year |
| 18:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | ouch!!! |
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| 18:37.44 | dafox | hi all :) Quick question (with hopefully quick answer): can anyone please tell me the rgb-subpixel order for the N900 display? I'd like to enable subpixel rendering in freetype, but I'm seeing a lot of color fringing which leads me to believe I may be using the wrong subpixel order |
| 18:37.58 | ShadowJK | try magnifying glass? |
| 18:38.10 | dafox | I have none at hand :/ |
| 18:38.17 | dafox | also, would I be able to tell? |
| 18:38.29 | dafox | they're really tiny pixels |
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| 18:41.18 | ShadowJK | looks more like bgr to me |
| 18:41.39 | ShadowJK | ||| shaped |
| 18:42.24 | ShadowJK | (when in landscape) |
| 18:43.38 | ShadowJK | oh wait, everything is mirrored in this thing, so rgb? |
| 18:43.45 | dafox | thanks, I found a site with a test image (png), but I'm not sure how to get it to display at 100% |
| 18:45.10 | ShadowJK | link? |
| 18:45.31 | dafox | http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php or http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/img/subpixel.png |
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| 18:48.11 | dafox | I think rgb, too |
| 18:48.15 | SpeedEvil | ponders getting out of bed. |
| 18:48.17 | dafox | it's so hard to tell |
| 18:48.53 | SpeedEvil | gets out of bed and gets his microscope. |
| 18:49.03 | ShadowJK | Well, the top v-rgb lines has a miscolouration of the horizontal line, the right hand bgr pattern has miscolouration on vertical line, the bottom v-bgr has micolouration on horizontal line |
| 18:49.28 | dafox | "so by process of elimination" :p |
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| 18:50.40 | SpeedEvil | red green blue |
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| 18:50.44 | SpeedEvil | red-left |
| 18:51.45 | dafox | thanks everyone :) but in that case I'm not sure where the discolorations are coming from. Maybe fontconfig is not compiled with BCI or something? |
| 18:51.51 | SpeedEvil | The pixels look wierd |
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| 18:52.05 | dafox | weird in what sense? |
| 18:52.08 | SpeedEvil | they have o|o in black in the middle |
| 18:52.12 | SpeedEvil | (at right angles) |
| 18:52.15 | SpeedEvil | 0 |
| 18:52.18 | SpeedEvil | _ |
| 18:52.19 | SpeedEvil | O |
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| 18:52.30 | SpeedEvil | where the O's are solid black |
| 18:52.35 | SpeedEvil | Inside a coloured rectangle |
| 18:52.38 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping? |
| 18:52.44 | Estel_ | hi there Maemo |
| 18:53.00 | dafox | black dots? |
| 18:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: wazzup? |
| 18:53.33 | ShadowJK | I was seeing the dots and lines in the pixels looking at them under magnification now, and also wondering how dim the blue looks |
| 18:54.49 | Estel_ | hey Doc. I just realized, that for 4 days I wask asking You small question, - even via the infamous /onjoin - without getting answer ;) |
| 18:55.33 | Estel_ | so, considering current situation, if, for some reason, mirroring our infrastructure @ Debian fails, is Your proposition of 'sponsoring' server for few months actual? |
| 18:56.03 | ShadowJK | huh, it looks almost like the green is nearest the surface of screen, followed by red a bit deeper inside, and blue deeper still |
| 18:56.12 | ShadowJK | unless it's just optical side effect of magnificaiton |
| 18:56.26 | Estel_ | We don't want to get merged with appsformeego, yep? ;) |
| 18:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I'm still not rejecting the idea |
| 18:57.02 | Estel_ | which means?... |
| 18:57.49 | ShadowJK | merged with appsformeego? |
| 18:58.43 | dafox | hmm, even if the screen is rgb in landscape mode, how does that translate to what the actual driver thinks ? E.g. maybe rgb means bottom-to-top r-g-b in landscape mode? |
| 18:59.34 | ShadowJK | But if the images above look best in "rgb"? |
| 18:59.52 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, yea |
| 18:59.53 | Lava_Croft | nn |
| 19:00.09 | Estel_ | have You gone through logs from last council meeting with Nokia? |
| 19:00.13 | dafox | ShadowJK: hmm good point |
| 19:00.41 | ShadowJK | Estel_, no |
| 19:00.41 | Estel_ | They don't only show ignorance, arrogance, and that they (Nokia) dont have a clue of what they're saying... |
| 19:00.51 | Estel_ | this is normal, so we're used to it ;) |
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| 19:01.10 | Estel_ | They're also planning to merge to-be-closed appsformeego with Maemo |
| 19:01.37 | Estel_ | without even asking Council about opinion, not to mention asking if we want it or not |
| 19:02.25 | Estel_ | when SD69 stated that he will open discussion about it amongst Community, they stated that it's not community buisness ;) |
| 19:02.49 | Estel_ | + negating Council mandate to represent Community |
| 19:03.51 | Estel_ | see: |
| 19:03.52 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1150353&postcount=682 |
| 19:03.58 | dafox | mm perhaps it is the bci: I found I guide to enable it (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=14550) , so presumably it is disabled by default |
| 19:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: it means I might consier it as soon as we got a) some sysadmin who knows how to set up a proper repo on a server, and some maintainer willing to use that repo as a mirror of maemo.org repo |
| 19:04.16 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ok, understood |
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| 19:04.27 | Estel_ | but, could it be listed as possible solution |
| 19:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:04.35 | Estel_ | or You're still unsure? |
| 19:04.37 | Estel_ | thanks |
| 19:04.54 | Estel_ | I'm willing to write some roadmap with possible alternatives listed in case of fail |
| 19:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 19:05.14 | Estel_ | You know, I don't wanted to quote You on that without confirming :P |
| 19:05.52 | Estel_ | as for maintainers, CSSU would love to use mirrored repo aas soon as available AFAIK |
| 19:05.55 | ShadowJK | hey does qgil still work at nokia |
| 19:06.07 | Estel_ | same for kp |
| 19:07.16 | ShadowJK | hasn't been to tmo for months |
| 19:07.22 | ShadowJK | when did they add a harmattan/n9 section |
| 19:09.40 | Estel_ | ... |
| 19:09.49 | Estel_ | long time ago, aproximatelly few months |
| 19:10.10 | Estel_ | this BS is spamming "active topics" list with useless crap |
| 19:10.24 | Estel_ | but repos merge is bigger problem |
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| 19:13.56 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, basically there is consensus now, (if we don't count some bored trolls) that it's high time to say 'goodbye' to Nokia |
| 19:16.05 | Estel_ | does anyone know a channel, where SD69 is easy to catch? |
| 19:16.22 | ShadowJK | hasn't installed or updated anything in months and months |
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| 19:19.13 | Estel_ | You moved to other projects, eh? ;) |
| 19:20.49 | ShadowJK | no |
| 19:21.13 | ShadowJK | oh actually I did do something, made my charge script blink yellow and green |
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| 19:21.35 | guly | DocScrutinizer: if it's just a matter of setup/mantain a repo, i offer myself as a sysadmin |
| 19:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 19:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | would you need full root permissions to install it? |
| 19:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | and to maintain |
| 19:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | guly: btw we should switch this convo to #maemo-ssu |
| 19:24.19 | guly | no IIRC unprivileged user is enough |
| 19:24.25 | guly | ok i'm joining |
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| 23:35.35 | newbie007 | hi, I'm trying to install the Maemo SDK with the Gui installer. I've gotten the sh script to work. Is there any reason to run the GUI now? The Gui always hangs while downloading some file. Is there anyone here that can help me with this? |
| 23:37.12 | Estel_ | newbie007, You can use GUI but it's not required |
| 23:37.19 | Estel_ | if it fails, just ommit it. |
| 23:37.44 | newbie007 | so I've already installed everything then... ? |
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