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| 00:06.56 | Estel_ | honestly. Could any good sould apt-get install truecrypt from -testing or -devel, then, create a 5mb or any size encrypted file container... |
| 00:07.13 | Estel_ | setting truecrypt to also mkfs it with any filesystem? |
| 00:07.18 | Estel_ | ot's driving me nuts |
| 00:07.21 | Estel_ | it's |
| 00:07.50 | Estel_ | NIN101 told me that it works in his case, I need to filter out if it's general bug or just me |
| 00:07.56 | Estel_ | and if me, why, why, why! |
| 00:08.48 | Estel_ | it just goes ok, then, at finish, throw a message that it will not mkfs my new encrypted (and mounted by truecrypt) volume, because it's... mounted |
| 00:09.23 | SpeedEvil | finds that his wifi net won't connect again. |
| 00:09.24 | Estel_ | same if I try manually to mkfs it |
| 00:09.28 | SpeedEvil | stabs icd and reboots. |
| 00:10.06 | Estel_ | ~ressurect |
| 00:11.33 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, You know how eMMC wear-*leveling works... |
| 00:11.48 | SpeedEvil | Nobody does. |
| 00:11.58 | SpeedEvil | Unless they're in the right bit of toshiba. |
| 00:12.03 | SpeedEvil | It's a secret. |
| 00:12.07 | Estel_ | does it respect partition layout, i.e. level only on surface of partition, or throws the f* parts all over flash? |
| 00:12.13 | Estel_ | lol |
| 00:12.29 | Estel_ | hate forced wear-leveling |
| 00:12.36 | SpeedEvil | The general consensus based on what seems to be occurring based on fragmentary info is that: |
| 00:12.42 | Estel_ | OS and filesysten should control that |
| 00:12.53 | SpeedEvil | The blocks - eraseblocks are 256K or so. You can't erase a finer grain than this. |
| 00:13.12 | SpeedEvil | Every 1024 blocks or so are gathered into a wear leveling zone. |
| 00:13.19 | Estel_ | yea, that's true. Thanks. Any info on respecting partition layout? |
| 00:13.22 | SpeedEvil | Of this, 1000 blocks are used, and 24 are spare |
| 00:13.55 | Estel_ | i.e. dd'ing entire partition, I can assume that wear level was fooled, or will I have nd copy of my encrypted blocks all over a drive? |
| 00:13.59 | SpeedEvil | The wear leveling occurs per-zone over the 1000 blocks, until an error over a threshold occurs at which point a spare block is mapped. |
| 00:14.26 | SpeedEvil | It's probable that the partition will be mostly respected |
| 00:14.43 | SpeedEvil | but where it straddles 'zones' - the edges will blur. |
| 00:14.57 | SpeedEvil | The simple reason is that you don't want to have to scan over the whole disk to find a sector. |
| 00:15.03 | Estel_ | thanks for nice summarizaing |
| 00:15.08 | Estel_ | if You got more info, go on |
| 00:15.15 | Estel_ | it's interesting. |
| 00:15.29 | Estel_ | I'm just b****ing about wear leveling in meantime |
| 00:15.48 | SpeedEvil | If you only have to look in a small block table, for 1000 blocks, it considerably speeds things up |
| 00:15.53 | SpeedEvil | that's about it alas. |
| 00:15.56 | Estel_ | well, on microSD cards transparent wear-leveling really does respect partitions? I though it doesn't |
| 00:16.06 | Estel_ | I would suspect same would apply to our eMMC |
| 00:16.16 | SpeedEvil | Why do you think it does respect partitions? |
| 00:16.25 | Estel_ | I thyink it doesn't |
| 00:16.47 | Estel_ | as hardware leveling -> partitions -> logical filesystem |
| 00:17.04 | SpeedEvil | anyway - on truecrypt - walkthrough needed if you want a tester |
| 00:17.10 | Estel_ | so, making 2 patitions on sd card and running flash killer on only one of them |
| 00:17.20 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, with pleasure |
| 00:17.53 | Estel_ | on wear-leveling - killing partitioned sd should be faster than non partitioned from same batch |
| 00:18.06 | Estel_ | i.e. half of sd should die quicker than whole sd |
| 00:18.15 | Estel_ | yet, it seems to die exactly the same speed |
| 00:18.17 | SpeedEvil | possibly, yes. |
| 00:18.19 | Estel_ | as for truecrypt |
| 00:18.32 | Estel_ | as for truecrypt yep? |
| 00:18.36 | Estel_ | now root in xterm |
| 00:18.37 | Estel_ | and |
| 00:18.40 | SpeedEvil | The fundamental problem is there is no insight into the process. |
| 00:18.40 | Estel_ | 'truecrypt' |
| 00:18.44 | Estel_ | yea |
| 00:18.54 | Estel_ | fuckin closed&forced wear leveling |
| 00:19.06 | SpeedEvil | The above could be true for card A, but false for v1.1 of card A from the same maker |
| 00:19.12 | Estel_ | on Gui, choose "create volume" |
| 00:19.59 | Estel_ | then, leave "file container" and hit return or click next |
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| 00:20.23 | Estel_ | go through all options, choose for example to create file container on mydocs and make it 5MB size |
| 00:20.25 | SpeedEvil | I see no gUI after apt-get install truecrypt |
| 00:20.37 | Estel_ | encryption and hash doesnt matter |
| 00:20.45 | Estel_ | wait |
| 00:20.55 | Estel_ | 'truecrypt' from root doesn't give You a GUI? |
| 00:21.14 | Estel_ | are You sure that You have extras-testing or -devel and apt-get update recently? |
| 00:21.23 | Estel_ | there is no deasktop icon |
| 00:21.25 | Estel_ | yet |
| 00:21.37 | SpeedEvil | possily not updated - hangon |
| 00:21.41 | Estel_ | You start GUI from terminal (well, CLI is also available) |
| 00:21.42 | Estel_ | ok |
| 00:21.53 | SpeedEvil | started truecrypot, and it's a cli |
| 00:22.58 | SpeedEvil | updating |
| 00:23.38 | Estel_ | nice |
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| 00:24.06 | Estel_ | new version makes use of XTD modules from kp, and falls back to -m nokernelcrypto if modules aren't present |
| 00:24.09 | SpeedEvil | I assumed apt-get would update, when on reflection, it probably doesn't |
| 00:24.14 | SpeedEvil | stock kernel |
| 00:24.21 | Estel_ | old version had nokernelcrypto hardcoded |
| 00:24.24 | Estel_ | shouldn't matter |
| 00:24.35 | Estel_ | it will just fallback to -m nokernelcrypto |
| 00:24.49 | Estel_ | apt-get never updates when not asked to ;) |
| 00:24.56 | Estel_ | thanks a_ain for testing it |
| 00:25.07 | SpeedEvil | ham is slow |
| 00:25.14 | Estel_ | FAM here |
| 00:28.39 | SpeedEvil | updating a few packages |
| 00:28.50 | SpeedEvil | including truecrypt |
| 00:33.08 | SpeedEvil | 'kernel does not support...' using ... |
| 00:36.52 | Estel_ | ok |
| 00:37.06 | SpeedEvil | formatting aes file on mydocs |
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| 00:37.09 | Estel_ | now, follow my walktheough from backscroll of our irc talk |
| 00:37.11 | Estel_ | ok |
| 00:37.20 | SpeedEvil | successuflly |
| 00:37.22 | Estel_ | which filesystem? |
| 00:37.29 | Estel_ | You used? |
| 00:37.29 | DrGrov | Evening |
| 00:37.38 | Estel_ | g.night |
| 00:37.43 | SpeedEvil | and made FAT fs |
| 00:37.55 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, it seems that only my mkfs complains |
| 00:37.58 | Estel_ | thanks for it... |
| 00:37.59 | SpeedEvil | 'volume created' |
| 00:38.08 | DrGrov | Where is the right place to ask Nokia N9 related questions? |
| 00:38.11 | Estel_ | I got it encrypted properly but halt when mkfsing |
| 00:38.22 | Estel_ | DrGrov, at Nokia support ;) |
| 00:38.27 | SpeedEvil | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 00:38.50 | DrGrov | Estel_: I mean here on IRC. |
| 00:38.57 | Estel_ | my mkfs complain that "is mounted; won't make filesystem there!" |
| 00:39.07 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 00:39.11 | Estel_ | DrGrov, check for harmattan irc |
| 00:39.17 | SpeedEvil | I made a file in /home/user/MyDocs/test |
| 00:39.22 | DrGrov | Estel_: Thanks, I just read the topic and figured it out. :) |
| 00:39.25 | Estel_ | hahaha same here |
| 00:39.30 | Estel_ | yet |
| 00:39.35 | Estel_ | even if it mount it manually |
| 00:39.41 | Estel_ | even if it mount it manuallywith --filesystem=none |
| 00:39.48 | SpeedEvil | err - 'file' not 'test' |
| 00:39.54 | Estel_ | so it's mounted, decrypted on the fly when needed, and raw partition |
| 00:39.57 | Estel_ | or file |
| 00:40.09 | Estel_ | it says that it's mounted so wont mkfs |
| 00:40.13 | Estel_ | driving me crazy |
| 00:40.17 | SpeedEvil | wacky |
| 00:40.33 | Estel_ | I would just dd my partition to desktop, mkfs it there, and dd back, but due to wear-leveling... |
| 00:40.47 | Estel_ | I'll get +ome clones of blocks encrypted with same header |
| 00:40.52 | SpeedEvil | err no. |
| 00:40.56 | Estel_ | = aiding cryproanalysis |
| 00:41.05 | SpeedEvil | You cannot tell the block device from a block device |
| 00:41.10 | SpeedEvil | _everything_ is hidden |
| 00:41.16 | Estel_ | yes yes |
| 00:41.20 | SpeedEvil | wear leveling is invisible |
| 00:41.24 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 00:41.31 | Estel_ | but, wear level already spread my encrypted partitions chunks all over eMMC |
| 00:41.37 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:41.56 | Estel_ | are You using busybox-power? |
| 00:41.59 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 00:42.08 | SpeedEvil | This is a mostly stock system |
| 00:42.13 | SpeedEvil | I've screwed with it very little |
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| 00:43.48 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, could you write here small ojutput of |
| 00:44.24 | Estel_ | losetup -f |
| 00:44.36 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.46 | Estel_ | hm |
| 00:44.49 | Estel_ | In some forum |
| 00:44.58 | Estel_ | someone said to mkfs /dev/loop0 |
| 00:45.10 | Estel_ | now I have no way to check if it was created by truecrypt or not |
| 00:45.17 | Estel_ | will try to see whete it points |
| 00:45.24 | Estel_ | don't want to mkfs unknown thing :P |
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| 00:57.48 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, eureca, I'm mkfs'in *something* |
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| 00:58.06 | Estel_ | after losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 |
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| 00:58.26 | Estel_ | my /dev/loop0 disappeared, and /dev/loop2 popped up (!!!) |
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| 00:58.53 | Estel_ | yet, when I used mkfs.ext4 /dev/loop0 - despite it seemed to be non-existing |
| 00:59.00 | Estel_ | it actually started mkfs'ing |
| 00:59.13 | Estel_ | I just hope it mkfs'es correct partition ;) |
| 01:01.00 | SpeedEvil | " |
| 01:01.02 | SpeedEvil | ;0 |
| 01:01.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:02.52 | Estel_ | yet, now I can't *unmount* it... |
| 01:03.02 | Estel_ | truecrypt complain about it being in use |
| 01:03.13 | Estel_ | and losetup plau silly, stating that |
| 01:03.30 | Estel_ | losetup -d /dev/loop0 no such ioctl |
| 01:03.39 | Estel_ | losetup -d /dev/loop2 no such ioctl also |
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| 01:04.59 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, which block size and fragment size is best for ext on our eMMC? |
| 01:05.08 | Estel_ | considering physical block size? |
| 01:05.57 | Estel_ | I guess not 256kb, as it would mean every 100b file would take 1/4 MB from free space ;) |
| 01:06.42 | Estel_ | rebooting, brb |
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| 03:14.08 | poro | Microsoft has wasted no time in revising its Windows Hardware Certification Requirements to effectively ban most alternative operating systems on ARM-based devices that ship with Windows 8.https://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ |
| 03:15.01 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 03:19.13 | robbiethe1st | Frigging hell |
| 03:19.16 | robbiethe1st | hates MS |
| 03:19.50 | robbiethe1st | If for no other reason than they took over Nokia. But for many other reasons as well |
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| 03:37.25 | sethstorm | robbiethe1st: quite well agreed |
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| 03:45.21 | Guest40473 | Q: can anyone offer any guidance on how to modify the status string |
| 03:45.35 | Guest40473 | that fremantle uses in rt-comm-presence-ui? |
| 03:46.09 | Guest40473 | i see the file in ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui stores a record of it under the [General] heading |
| 03:46.40 | Guest40473 | but i cannot find source in rt-comm for the '-presence-ui' component |
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| 03:53.38 | poro | maybe /usr/share/locale somewhere, or /usr/lib/ocale |
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| 04:03.12 | bjv | when i disconnect all accounts in the statusmenu-presence-ui on n900, update the 'statusmessage' item in ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui.cfg, then go to return from 'offline' to 'busy' in statusmenu-presence-ui |
| 04:03.28 | bjv | the statusmenu app does not seem to re-read the file |
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| 04:19.41 | poro | even after a reboot? |
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| 04:22.14 | bjv | if i go offline, |
| 04:22.21 | bjv | then kill hildon-status-menu |
| 04:22.26 | bjv | and wait for watchdog to restart it |
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| 04:22.47 | bjv | then_ it will reread the rt-comm config file |
| 04:23.31 | bjv | ..not very clean process, though... |
| 04:25.40 | bjv | hm.. user yoush got to exactly this point on 02-06-2010 , 09:13 AM |
| 04:25.51 | bjv | .. t_t http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43509&highlight=profile+status |
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| 04:27.10 | poro | i deleted all locale files exccept en_US and index stuff |
| 04:27.24 | poro | but Locale CP is ste to finland, and if i choose EN it reboots entirely, losing the change |
| 04:27.36 | poro | and, every string on the system is lk_this_yesno |
| 04:27.41 | poro | even after upgrading to CSSU |
| 04:27.53 | poro | apt-cache search locale shows all sorts of crap, but im not about to stab in the dark and figure out what is what |
| 04:28.04 | poro | ive found short symbols are readable after a while |
| 04:33.13 | ShadowJK | so you deleted locales, and you no longer have locales? I'd call that a success |
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| 04:35.25 | ShadowJK | en in control panel is probably en_GB |
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| 04:39.26 | bjv | CP>Lang&Region>"Device language" does specify #1 as English(United Kingdom) and #2 as English (United States of America) |
| 04:39.37 | bjv | but then again, I have not deleted all my locales.. |
| 04:40.48 | bjv | for rt-comm-presence-ui... i feel like it's unlikely there's going to be anything in gconf |
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| 04:41.14 | bjv | since rt-comm is going out of its way to use some .conf file |
| 04:41.54 | bjv | and if there was anything useful to be found from introspecting dbus objects.. i feel like someone out there would have already documented |
| 04:42.20 | bjv | how to set nokia presence UI account 'status message' |
| 04:43.22 | bjv | : \ there has got to be a better way then updating ~user/.osso/.rt-comm-presence-ui.cfg then restarting _all of hildon-status-menu |
| 04:44.14 | bjv | hopefully something short of decompiling statusmenu presence-ui to learn it's secrets |
| 04:44.44 | bjv | and ptracing to change status |
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| 04:46.44 | poro | well, why should it crash/reboot the entire OS when i pick a locale in the controlpanel |
| 04:46.47 | poro | sounds like a bug :P |
| 04:47.03 | poro | im too lazy to find what file theGUI edits |
| 04:47.15 | poro | dpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt work, cuz dokg-reconfigure doesnt exist |
| 04:48.54 | poro | ~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg is rewrittenon boot or something? |
| 04:48.55 | infobot | okay, poro |
| 04:49.11 | poro | infobot: forget ~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg |
| 04:49.11 | infobot | poro: i didn't have anything called '~/.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg' to forget |
| 04:49.24 | poro | infobot: forget /.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg |
| 04:49.25 | infobot | poro: i forgot /.rt-com-presence-ui.cfg |
| 04:51.08 | ShadowJK | It wouldn't work anyway, since locales get mostly relocated on first boot |
| 04:53.15 | poro | ye olde optification |
| 04:53.49 | ShadowJK | re updating status mesasage, does new status from status area menu's availability do anything? |
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| 05:00.16 | ShadowJK | poro; it tends to do random things after you delete or modify random things :-) |
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| 05:04.24 | ShadowJK | also before you try it, apt-get upgrade will do bad things |
| 05:11.03 | Sazpaimon | bit of a touchy subject - is there a way to spoof the imei of an N900 |
| 05:11.24 | Sazpaimon | i want to try to get my girlfriend's tracfone sim to work on it, and i hear they lock them to a specific imei |
| 05:14.30 | Hurrian | you need some kind of flasher box to do this |
| 05:14.56 | Hurrian | and not the flashing jig kind, the "unlock phone" kind |
| 05:15.41 | Hurrian | also depends on certain special cmt software and cmt mode to do it, and doing it wrong results in a brick (or a MALF) |
| 05:15.59 | Hurrian | haven't seen it done on a BB5 generation phone though |
| 05:16.06 | Sazpaimon | yeah I haven't either |
| 05:16.14 | Sazpaimon | wondering if there may have been a software implementation |
| 05:16.20 | Sazpaimon | at least for the N900 :/ |
| 05:19.03 | Hurrian | nope |
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| 05:19.22 | Hurrian | maemo's communication with mobile stack is very separated |
| 05:22.28 | Sazpaimon | oh well |
| 05:22.46 | Sazpaimon | guess she's stuck with her crap phone then |
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| 05:24.38 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.51 | ShadowJK | except in n900 it's ssi not usb |
| 05:25.08 | ShadowJK | and the modem is inside, not outside :P |
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| 05:28.10 | Hurrian | if she needs a nicer phone, there are many chinadroids with changeable IMEI |
| 05:28.23 | Hurrian | ...and are pretty unbrickable due to u-boot in rom |
| 05:29.28 | Sazpaimon | Hurrian, yes but I have an N900 that isn't in use |
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| 05:30.10 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 05:30.39 | Hurrian | hmm, i don't see why a carrier would lock SIM cards to certain phones |
| 05:30.44 | Sazpaimon | its tracfone |
| 05:30.49 | Sazpaimon | its government supported wireless |
| 05:31.23 | Sazpaimon | I think |
| 05:31.30 | Hurrian | so i'm assuming they lock it to shitty phones so that their network which is shittier than at&t's won't keel over? |
| 05:31.35 | Sazpaimon | its basically a super basic prepaid service |
| 05:31.51 | Sazpaimon | i think they use at&t's network |
| 05:32.01 | Sazpaimon | or rather, whatever network has the closest tower that they have deals with |
| 05:32.30 | Sazpaimon | she's fine with her tracfone, but she keeps it on silent because she gets a bunch of junk calls a day |
| 05:32.47 | Sazpaimon | i wanted to give her the N900 so she could make a whitelist of numbers that ring |
| 05:34.34 | Sazpaimon | in the end I may just put her on my plan |
| 05:34.41 | Sazpaimon | but I have a special deal going with tmobile |
| 05:34.50 | ShadowJK | N900 is high up on the unbrickable scale :) |
| 05:35.12 | Sazpaimon | I have their $60/month unlimited plan |
| 05:35.16 | Sazpaimon | that they cancelled after one day |
| 05:35.38 | Hurrian | ShadowJK: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mtd1 |
| 05:36.22 | Hurrian | it's not quite clear what the above does, just that it's unsafe |
| 05:36.55 | Sazpaimon | doesnt the n900 have a jtag interface? |
| 05:37.13 | ShadowJK | also has a boot rom |
| 05:37.47 | Sazpaimon | yeah I dont think there's a way to overwrite that from software |
| 05:38.34 | ShadowJK | You can overwrite nolo though |
| 05:38.49 | Sazpaimon | can still be cold flashed though iirc |
| 05:38.53 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 05:39.09 | Hurrian | the point was, mtd1 can't be remade |
| 05:39.20 | Hurrian | containts quite a lot of apparently boot critical information |
| 05:39.31 | ShadowJK | Biggest issues generally seem to be beating PC's usb stacks into submission |
| 05:39.34 | Hurrian | but, if you have a backup, you can probably load a kernel to dd it back |
| 05:39.57 | Sazpaimon | but yeah, even if you could completely hose the boot rom, the jtag ports are easily accessable from under the battery |
| 05:40.01 | Hurrian | and iirc, n900 doesn't have jtag - it's USB |
| 05:40.17 | Sazpaimon | I thought it had 2 usb and a serial |
| 05:40.30 | Hurrian | serial is not necessarily jtag |
| 05:40.43 | Hurrian | my router has uart, but it's not jtag |
| 05:41.07 | Hurrian | n900 has 2 usb - the one that breaks easily, and the flasher port |
| 05:41.32 | Sazpaimon | there are 3 or 4 ports under the battery |
| 05:41.50 | Hurrian | the serial port is the one that enables super battery draining, according to flasher-3.5 |
| 05:42.57 | Sazpaimon | it may be 3 ports, because two are separated and one isn't |
| 05:43.14 | Sazpaimon | there's two 7 pin ports at the bottom and one 14 pin port |
| 05:43.43 | Hurrian | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout |
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| 05:44.19 | Sazpaimon | okay so the 8 pin is USB, makes sense |
| 05:44.24 | Sazpaimon | what are the oter 3 ports? |
| 05:44.27 | Sazpaimon | *other |
| 05:44.59 | dm8tbr | those are just groups of pins, not ports... |
| 05:45.20 | dm8tbr | 8 pins is far too many for one USB port |
| 05:46.17 | Sazpaimon | yeah, the 4 ports on the 8 pin are for USB |
| 05:46.19 | Sazpaimon | my bad |
| 05:48.35 | Sazpaimon | so what are those two groups of pins at the bottom connected to |
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| 05:56.26 | dm8tbr | to anything that could be useful. serial ports, reference voltages, usb, sdio, ... and that is only looking at the OMAP3 |
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| 05:57.07 | dm8tbr | there could be also other chips that get some of their ports routed there. e.g. the TWL/TPS |
| 05:57.46 | dm8tbr | didn't the schematics leak at some point? you should be able to read it from those |
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| 09:51.34 | Jiri- | Hello i have problem to install as root the fcam-drivers |
| 09:52.11 | Jiri- | i used command apt-get install fcam-drivers but not working |
| 09:53.20 | Jiri- | it says that it cannot find files from reposity.maemo.org ? any ide how to solve this? |
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| 09:57.52 | Jiri- | soryy my mistake my wlan connection was not working now i got it! |
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| 11:20.21 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1147574&postcount=392 |
| 11:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: no further info available, all found out by mere deduction. You need RE or in-detail investigations to find out |
| 11:24.40 | Pali | ok |
| 11:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: obviously there are several ways to implement that. Rootfs aka lockcode-query-process just has to check if some hash for MyDocs is still matching the actual filesystem. OTOH it's probably advisable to store the actual query=[yes|no] flag on MyDocs or /home as well, as otherwise lockcode got engaged whenever you reflash rootfs, no matter if it been active before rootfs-reflash or not. Then again, we actually seen reports that were like |
| 11:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | that ("...*started* to ask for lockcode after rootfs reflash...") |
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| 11:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | I gather this "started to ask" will maybe happen when you set a lockcode, then disable it again, *then* reflash rootfs. While default/virgin CAL lockcode HASH "12345" will always cause no query on boot, but obviously no way to restore *that* hash |
| 11:32.51 | Pali | setting lock code is possible only in control panel? |
| 11:33.23 | Pali | if yes, only this cp library can do any change: /usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/libcpdevicelock.so |
| 11:35.37 | Pali | no, there is also library /usr/lib/libcodelockui.so.1 |
| 11:35.54 | Pali | which calling program /bin/devlocktool |
| 11:38.25 | Pali | osso-applet-devicelock (1.4.10) unstable; urgency=low |
| 11:38.25 | Pali | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 11:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | now if we could get the patch/source as well... :-) |
| 11:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: against which PR was this NB# patch checked in? |
| 11:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | IOW which PR bersion brought the fix to us? |
| 11:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.3? |
| 11:45.58 | Pali | 1.4.10 is last version |
| 11:46.05 | Pali | so PR1.3 |
| 11:46.32 | Pali | this is in chanelog file in /usr/share/doc/osso-applet-devicelock/changelog.gz |
| 11:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: 2 commands starting with devlock* |
| 11:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | tool and -blocker |
| 11:52.17 | Pali | ok, I will see on it later. now I'm prepairing for exam (goldberg, dinic algorithm, ...) |
| 11:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | wishes we could get rid of this docpurge abomination, maybe in CSSU |
| 11:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~ # cat /usr/share/doc/README |
| 11:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | Purged by docpurge |
| 11:54.19 | Pali | download it from downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 11:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | download what? |
| 11:54.34 | Pali | deb package |
| 11:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | which one? |
| 11:54.55 | Pali | osso-applet-devicelock |
| 11:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 11:55.11 | Pali | (which has that changelog) |
| 11:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | I wanna get rid of docpurge |
| 11:55.29 | Pali | really? not possible |
| 11:55.36 | Pali | you need to create new FW |
| 11:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | and get all the fine manpages and /usr/share/doc |
| 11:55.43 | Pali | fiasco image |
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| 11:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, have to run for work, to show I'm showing up despite feeling sick |
| 11:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | ttyl |
| 11:57.22 | Pali | libdevlock (1.0.9) unstable; urgency=low |
| 11:57.22 | Pali | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.28 | Pali | also PR1.3 |
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| 12:19.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders how to change buildserver so docpurge would rum on target (or not, if users decides to disable that) rather than on buildserver |
| 12:20.55 | Lava_Croft | hmm, rum |
| 12:22.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | freud-typo - I could use some tea with rum for my flu |
| 12:22.42 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: maybe they could beer it on the target too ;) |
| 12:23.32 | Lava_Croft | use sauna and wodka |
| 12:23.36 | Lava_Croft | fixes any cold |
| 12:23.46 | hiemanshu | vodka* |
| 12:23.55 | Lava_Croft | wodka in dutch |
| 12:25.05 | Lava_Croft | i think if you cannot fix a disease with sauna, tar and Vodka, the disease is fatal |
| 12:25.47 | AKBAAR | hi |
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| 12:40.14 | Macer | has anybody tried debian based on HURD? |
| 12:40.24 | Macer | or any other hurd based distro? |
| 12:40.29 | Macer | i am curious as to how well it works |
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| 12:43.40 | vetsin_ | hi guys! did the Jan 12 meeting push through? where can i find the minutes? |
| 12:48.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, doesn't docpurge run on target already? |
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| 15:29.26 | badcloud | anyone notice microb isn't as stable in cssu? |
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| 15:41.02 | merlin1991 | badcloud: nope |
| 15:41.41 | merlin1991 | we had pretty random claims about pretty muc hevery single thing in maemo that "suddenly is worse after cssu" but microb wasn't one of them |
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| 15:45.43 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/13/nokia_joins_hands_with_ea_in_major_winpho_game_launch/ |
| 15:46.00 | RST38h | and? |
| 15:46.10 | badcloud | merlin1991: I see |
| 15:46.51 | badcloud | modest has been crashing the $%^& out since and since I found a bug report linking it to cssu, I figured microb might be affected as well |
| 15:48.21 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Marines in urination video interviewed! |
| 15:49.52 | badcloud | RST38h: glad we cleared that up |
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| 15:56.27 | badcloud | what, no followup scatology joke? |
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| 16:06.09 | Estel_ | good afternoon, #maemo |
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| 16:12.57 | RST38h | I am Fatimah Mahamat, a Muslim.I have picked your email address for an |
| 16:12.57 | RST38h | inheritance of ΒΈ18.2million Pounds.Please contact me for more details via |
| 16:12.58 | RST38h | email |
| 16:13.22 | RST38h | Candid, indeed |
| 16:15.13 | SpeedEvil | She clearly is desirous of your body. |
| 16:15.58 | RST38h | even on her deathbed? cute. |
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| 16:21.19 | RST38h | mooo javispedro |
| 16:21.34 | javispedro | mo. |
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| 16:33.48 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, considering our hyphotetical knowledge about characteristic of eMMC blocks etc, what is best-performance wise - block and fragment size, while creating ext partition? |
| 16:34.15 | Estel_ | black humour would tell 256k (joke, of course, due to space savings reasons) |
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| 16:35.11 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: It's hard to say. |
| 16:35.20 | SpeedEvil | I would randomly guess at 8K. |
| 16:35.42 | Estel_ | thx. Why so? purely /dev/random? |
| 16:35.55 | javispedro | on ext4 there's stripe-width btw |
| 16:36.00 | SpeedEvil | Bery large blocks waste space. |
| 16:36.12 | SpeedEvil | Too small blocks may cause excessive rewrites |
| 16:37.09 | Estel_ | agreed. Although, it would be fun to see 256k block totally negatining flash erase-write fault, though. Not so funny when having there something else than continous, few-GB archives |
| 16:37.22 | Estel_ | javispedro, wtf is stripe-width? |
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| 16:38.21 | javispedro | Estel_: it's best if you google it up as my memory is haze |
| 16:38.34 | javispedro | but one of its uses was large erase block sizes |
| 16:38.51 | Estel_ | true, thx |
| 16:38.53 | Estel_ | hm |
| 16:38.58 | Estel_ | hminteresting |
| 16:39.18 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, docpurge is deb package which contains script which apt-get call after package is installed |
| 16:39.22 | Estel_ | I'm using ext4 for home, easy debian, and g,low-priority truecrypt part |
| 16:39.49 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, changes must be done on device, not on build server |
| 16:40.12 | Estel_ | I'll google it up - I wonder if it's used by default, or special parametermust be given during mkfs |
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| 16:41.03 | javispedro | Estel_: mkfs or afterwards via tune2fs |
| 16:43.52 | Estel_ | I suppose tune2fs shold be used only on unmounted part ;) Goin to recovery console and trying, thanks a lot |
| 16:44.15 | Estel_ | (due to /home/) |
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| 16:59.49 | RST38h | Meanwhile: US military access cards cracked by Chinese hackers |
| 17:00.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: thanks |
| 17:00.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | lo javispedro |
| 17:01.10 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51, I think that if you remove docpurge package on your n900, then all new installed packages (or reinstalled) will have proper /usr/share/doc/<package>/... files |
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| 17:01.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ |
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| 17:02.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | something to look forward to, when home from work |
| 17:03.10 | RST38h | Doc: What? =) |
| 17:03.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | (just fsckng deinstalled a wrong UBB driver for 3h) |
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| 17:03.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | on XP |
| 17:03.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically since 2 days |
| 17:03.59 | RST38h | oh |
| 17:04.06 | RST38h | funfun |
| 17:04.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | 2 boards with saame ID here |
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| 17:05.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | device mgr brainfsckd! |
| 17:05.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart MS |
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| 17:06.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | work is fun |
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| 17:07.31 | javispedro | I feel the pain |
| 17:07.38 | javispedro | some years ago I was developing some el-cheapo usb headphones using a ezusb and xp as host |
| 17:08.25 | javispedro | it was horrible, you could consistently (and unconsistently) confuse xp into the weirdest states possible |
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| 17:22.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | installing cygwin - thoroughly fed up with redmond bullsh*t |
| 17:22.24 | RedPenguin | any way to make a bluetooth modem sharing WiFi from the N810? |
| 17:22.31 | RST38h | cygwin has got its own warts |
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| 17:32.54 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, now working on automounting support in ke-recv for usb host mode |
| 17:33.30 | Pali | seems that problem is that ke-recv checking if device is mmc, if not - it is not return error |
| 17:33.48 | Pali | but on next lines there is checking for usb storage device... |
| 17:34.40 | Pali | at least usb storage device in host mode is properly detected by HAL and ke-recv getting event about it |
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| 17:40.13 | RedPenguin | also has anybody ever gotten Kismet to work on the N810 with a bluetooth GPS? |
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| 18:05.49 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, Nokia disabled usb mounting for FREMANTLE in ke-recv, all code is #ifndef FREMANTLE_MODE |
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| 18:15.30 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 18:16.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: :-S |
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| 18:16.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | otoh it's maybe nice |
| 18:18.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | <3 cygwin |
| 18:25.35 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, there is problem with hal |
| 18:25.51 | Pali | hal still has usb host mode a_suspend |
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| 18:26.01 | Pali | lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc |
| 18:26.12 | Pali | but cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode show a_host |
| 18:26.40 | Pali | so problem is that maybe kernel does not inform hal about musb changes... |
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| 18:32.58 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Ringtone causes New York Philharmonic mid-performance strike |
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| 18:41.43 | Macer | uhm |
| 18:42.05 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/13/build_star_trek_tricorder_please_ask_x_prize/ <-- hmm |
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| 18:45.07 | Macer | ruskie: wth... wow... |
| 18:45.25 | Macer | installs the maemo tricorder app and goes to collect his xprize |
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| 19:12.48 | freemangordon | Pali, your n900 still on repair? |
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| 19:13.00 | Pali | no, I have it back |
| 19:13.26 | Pali | now I'm working on automont in host mode with ke-recv |
| 19:13.58 | freemangordon | Pali, I confir the bug report on TMO re garbage on screaan |
| 19:14.03 | freemangordon | confirm* |
| 19:14.12 | Pali | uboot? |
| 19:14.24 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:14.28 | Pali | ok |
| 19:14.56 | freemangordon | the only time everything is ok is right after power-up |
| 19:15.10 | freemangordon | didn't test it with boot menu though |
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| 19:17.07 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Totally Drug-Resistant TB Emerges In India |
| 19:19.37 | javispedro | RST38h: we're dooooomed |
| 19:20.11 | RST38h | javispedro: notsufficiently doomed by TB |
| 19:20.30 | RST38h | javispedro: just rolled back to 1910s |
| 19:20.59 | RST38h | javispedro: Now, an air-transmittable strain of syphilis would probably do the job |
| 19:22.45 | RST38h | javispedro: Long incubation periods, asymptomatic initial stages, you know... By the time medics find out, there will be a major clusterfuck |
| 19:23.42 | javispedro | somehow at this moment I'd wish that deadly air-transmittable totally drug-resistant syphilis was my main problem :D |
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| 19:24.41 | RST38h | javispedro: you wouldn't |
| 19:25.04 | Raimu | At least it'd take time to do its thang |
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| 19:30.20 | javispedro | RST38h: btw, you saw that the tizen sdk seems to be sb2? |
| 19:35.16 | RST38h | javispedro: yeaah, goood mooove =) |
| 19:35.30 | RST38h | javispedro: Stskeeps apparently approves too :) |
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| 19:44.54 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, automounting in host mode is now working :-) |
| 19:45.58 | Jef91 | Does anyone know i there are .deb packages anywhere for a uboot that has ext2 patches built into it for maemo? |
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| 20:05.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: wow! |
| 20:07.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: how about automounting of e.g. DVD drive? |
| 20:07.40 | Pali | no idea |
| 20:07.52 | Pali | I cannot test it - I do not have any usb DVD drive |
| 20:08.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe even auto-switching to proper cursor for mouse, and xkbd layout for kbd |
| 20:08.33 | Pali | ke-recv only listen for hal events, but only mmc and usb events are checked by ke-recv |
| 20:09.01 | Pali | this should be done in other daemon |
| 20:09.18 | Pali | ke-recv can only mount/unmount usb and mmc |
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| 20:10.01 | maher | how do i grep my texts? |
| 20:10.20 | Pali | but CD/DVD will maybe work, usb check is only for storage name |
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| 20:11.10 | Pali | if hal send event that optical dist storage was found, ke-recv will try to use & mount it (but it will use default name 'USB device') |
| 20:11.46 | Pali | if hal send correct filesystem, ke-recv will mount it |
| 20:12.11 | maher | does anyone know where they are stored on the mmc? |
| 20:13.59 | NIN101 | with texts you mean SMS? |
| 20:14.07 | maher | NIN101: yes |
| 20:14.26 | NIN101 | sqlite database in /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger or something |
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| 20:20.00 | maher | NIN101: cool - thanks... |
| 20:21.09 | antman8969 | anyone in here have any experience with sqlite from QML? |
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| 21:18.25 | dafox | hi. I have a (probably) stupid question, but I'll ask anyway. I'd like to set up email and calendar synchronisation on my N900 with gmail/google calendar. I've googled a bit and I've found a number of different applications and guides etc. However I have no idea which ones are the best. Can you please give me some recommendations on what applications to use? Also one thing that I'm wondering is wether or not this is going to cost much diskspace? I |
| 21:18.25 | dafox | 'd prefer for the phone not to cache my whole gmail folder or anything like that, just keep the last X days or connect to gmail on the fly? |
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| 21:35.15 | poro | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.24 | poro | use http://repo.or.cz/w/element.git in microb and http://notmuchmail.org/ in xterm myself |
| 21:36.39 | poro | havent tried the Mameo apps. are they good? |
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| 21:46.28 | dafox | I guess that is my question :P I was looking for something which integrates with the rest of the apps such as the mail and calender desktop widgets |
| 21:49.19 | dafox | what exactly is 'element'? |
| 21:51.45 | dafox | aha, found the readme |
| 21:51.53 | dafox | semantic web eh |
| 21:53.47 | poro | it just turns emails into html, esentially |
| 21:54.00 | poro | to the extent N900 has a keyboard, mutt/notmuch work fine |
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| 21:57.47 | dafox | can you recommend anything not cli ? |
| 21:57.54 | pronto|vps2 | o.O |
| 21:57.56 | pronto|vps2 | 'not cli' |
| 21:57.59 | pronto|vps2 | you crazy man |
| 22:07.10 | dafox | there is a time and place for cli, but for me email is not it :) |
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