| 00:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | grabs the whip |
| 00:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 00:00.35 | merlin1991 | it seems loads of patches have been missed over time |
| 00:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | mooooooooohammmmmad |
| 00:00.58 | merlin1991 | I've been collecting random patches from all over to throw at mag when he shows up again |
| 00:01.16 | merlin1991 | javispedro: thanks will add them to my todo |
| 00:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | thumbs up |
| 00:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991 for imperator |
| 00:02.28 | javispedro | konttori once being optimistic and saying that they planned to backport the harmattan tracker to fremantle just came to mind |
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| 00:03.03 | javispedro | goes find the "Times have changed" song from Watchmen |
| 00:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | we got a strange lil kingdom - javispedro is our merlin, merlin1991 is our knight, and the youngsters are the evil old emperors that block every progress |
| 00:04.44 | javispedro | and our local Doctor :) |
| 00:06.16 | javispedro | actually the fault is mine, I said on february 2011 that I'd merge them into the cssu... |
| 00:06.55 | merlin1991 | javispedro: would you prefer todo your own git commits to push to http://gitorious.org/community-ssu or should I just slap the patches into a commit each and push? |
| 00:07.48 | merlin1991 | also I'm not really sure what the realignore.patch does :P |
| 00:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | ignore reality? ;-P |
| 00:08.35 | merlin1991 | could be usefull, but I don't think that is what it is :P |
| 00:08.51 | javispedro | tracker didn't ignore folders from "removable media" even if you added it to the config file |
| 00:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 00:09.19 | javispedro | I couldn't make it ignore my SDK dir when I mounted it from the SDK for ex. |
| 00:09.22 | javispedro | *from the SD |
| 00:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | tracker is stinking can of worms |
| 00:10.19 | javispedro | fremantle one was rushed |
| 00:10.51 | javispedro | the bugs fixed by the above patches are absolutely trivial and all of the issues were fixed in harmattan by the time I made them |
| 00:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | no, the concept got invented by a 10 year old on LSD & Jaegermeister |
| 00:11.22 | javispedro | in fact I'm quite sure konttori must still have the backported tracker version somewhere, but it never got released because of the usual burocracy things |
| 00:11.28 | javispedro | *bureaucracy |
| 00:11.42 | javispedro | like the n800 bme :( |
| 00:11.56 | merlin1991 | well |
| 00:12.11 | merlin1991 | if he can set the code to the wild, cssu is always happy about poper codedumps ;) |
| 00:12.53 | javispedro | oh, you have quite a large codedump... |
| 00:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | a nice thought to go to sleep - some apocalypse got forestalled by buerocracy |
| 00:13.00 | javispedro | it's called harmattan, or maemo6 |
| 00:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | g'nite |
| 00:13.12 | javispedro | gnite dockane_ |
| 00:13.14 | javispedro | oops |
| 00:13.30 | javispedro | 's xchat got deconfigured for some reason |
| 00:13.32 | merlin1991 | well javispedro that codedump isn't exactly easy to use ;) |
| 00:13.43 | javispedro | merlin1991, yeah =) |
| 00:14.03 | merlin1991 | on the other hand already backported code that just lies somewhere can always be easily included in cssu :D |
| 00:14.13 | javispedro | but it's an example that certain "codedumps" might very well be useless for certain purposes like this one |
| 00:14.46 | javispedro | (that woody guy on TMO is going to kill me for this) |
| 00:15.11 | merlin1991 | oh that woody guy who currently joined the flamewar vs mag? |
| 00:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | trows a few nice forkbombs and GPIO-shortcircuit collisions' codedrops on merlin1991 |
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| 00:15.38 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you said gn8, get autta here ;) |
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| 00:15.55 | javispedro | he never sleeps |
| 00:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | wistleblower! |
| 00:17.10 | merlin1991 | gotta love it how the "why people don't use cssu" got far more posts in short time than the actual cssu topics :D |
| 00:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, a tmo trollthread? XP |
| 00:18.03 | merlin1991 | it's more of a general missinformation thread |
| 00:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | aka trolling |
| 00:18.27 | merlin1991 | but I don't think adding my 2 cent there with proper info will have any chance vs all the other "cssu is THE EVIL" posts |
| 00:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | not *good* trolling |
| 00:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | just post the URL on e.g 4chan, so the email addr got properly harvested by spam spiders |
| 00:19.32 | javispedro | 4chan quality trolling? |
| 00:19.42 | merlin1991 | nah |
| 00:19.43 | javispedro | saying that IS trolling |
| 00:19.54 | merlin1991 | it's above 4chan quality trolling, they still use full sentences |
| 00:20.06 | merlin1991 | javispedro: any other patch you might have written that never made it into cssu? :P |
| 00:20.20 | javispedro | my memory is limited |
| 00:20.36 | javispedro | I don't think so |
| 00:20.45 | javispedro | probably some to SDL but I don't remember any from the top of my head |
| 00:26.19 | merlin1991 | javispedro: just checked, connected n900 in mass storage, unplugged and tracker-indexer had its fun |
| 00:27.32 | merlin1991 | wonders though why it was that fast |
| 00:27.41 | merlin1991 | I do have 15 gb in .sounds |
| 00:28.12 | merlin1991 | maybe because I have swap on the sdcard? |
| 00:29.20 | merlin1991 | javispedro: what does tracker prioritice? folder.jpg or embedded art? |
| 00:30.18 | javispedro | don't remember |
| 00:30.25 | javispedro | probably embedded |
| 00:30.39 | javispedro | I do know that it priorizes .mediaartlocal and whatever is on XDG cache dir though |
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| 00:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: maybe it already checks mtime of dirs |
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| 15:39.00 | npm | is there an app where we can use our old broken-screen n950's as a remote door video intercom ( streaming video from camera over http to webserver running on desktop,and maybe using deskltop mic throuh html5 to send voice to n900 loudspeakers to "talk back" ??) |
| 15:39.08 | npm | oops i mean n900's |
| 15:39.24 | npm | the n950 is sitting in front of me, screen unbroken (knock gorrilla glass) |
| 15:40.11 | SpeedEvil | npm: :/ |
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| 15:40.44 | SpeedEvil | does skype do video? |
| 15:40.59 | npm | hmm yeah, that would do it too. |
| 15:41.01 | npm | yes it does |
| 15:41.31 | SpeedEvil | Also - there are lots of leetle video screens you could plug into the composite port |
| 15:41.34 | npm | i guess i could setup a separate skype account on it... right now it's my downstairs skype/gmail ringer |
| 15:41.36 | npm | the n900 |
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| 15:42.08 | npm | SpeedEvil: yeah i plugged my tv in back when it was working reliablu |
| 15:42.09 | npm | y |
| 15:42.38 | npm | i'm phasing out tv |
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| 15:43.34 | npm | but yeah i guess an existing voip solution would do it |
| 15:43.36 | SpeedEvil | I do not have a working TV at the moment |
| 15:43.57 | npm | i been playing w/ html5 being served off the handfset to a browser |
| 15:44.01 | SpeedEvil | In principle I could find the digibox, or my dttv adaptor, manufacture an ariel... |
| 15:44.09 | SpeedEvil | And get the TV out of the attic |
| 15:44.15 | npm | now that i can stream from gstreamer over the web, i was thinking to stream from the camera |
| 15:44.20 | SpeedEvil | but get_iplayer works for me |
| 15:45.15 | npm | i have two analog and two digital video encoders as pci/pci-e on my desktop |
| 15:45.26 | SpeedEvil | http://dx.com/4-3-lcd-monitor-visual-reversing-vehicles-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-dc12v-67482 |
| 15:45.28 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning |
| 15:46.33 | RST38h | "Metro will drive the new magic across all of our user experiences. Metro means that 1+1 really does equal 3." |
| 15:46.40 | npm | hmm that's an interesting side-use, as i wanted a small crt to hook it to as it is currently located in the kitchen w/ loudspeakers |
| 15:46.45 | RST38h | -- Steve Ballmer |
| 15:47.03 | npm | that's the kind of math they use in their pointer arithmetic |
| 15:47.31 | RST38h | "Somebody call Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall. Nokia Lumia is Coming to America and it's fit for a prince." |
| 15:47.49 | RST38h | (whatever he meant by that) |
| 15:47.56 | npm | the worst part about the lumia is the freakin browser that can't actually view half the websites and is totally html5 incapable |
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| 15:48.10 | RST38h | npm: Oh, don't remind me |
| 15:48.19 | npm | when will firefox/fennec be available :-) |
| 15:48.30 | RST38h | npm: Have been setting it up yesterday and still feel like an inanimate object has raped me |
| 15:48.55 | RST38h | WinCE version of IE...bleah |
| 15:48.58 | npm | i'm using it as my main phone to save my precious from wear and tear and crackage |
| 15:49.21 | RST38h | npm: Just get a Symbian phone, they are more functional and pleasant to use |
| 15:49.51 | npm | i will at some point, for my qt ambassador project, except i have to take a bunch of screenshots/videos first and i'm in the middle of developing |
| 15:50.08 | npm | (for http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ ) |
| 15:50.15 | RST38h | No USB storage. No video playback. No applications in the store. No decent web browser. No way to configure that prime color square hell of home screen. |
| 15:50.35 | npm | i figure if i wait a little bit longer the c7 will have belle on it |
| 15:50.40 | RST38h | No decent games, for Tentacled's sake! |
| 15:50.48 | RST38h | npm: Anna is fine |
| 15:51.00 | npm | actually the square colors can be configured |
| 15:51.07 | RST38h | npm: Shit, old ^3 is fine in comparison |
| 15:51.10 | npm | i can't remember how because i don't care |
| 15:51.21 | RST38h | npm: Yes. you get to select from 16 tear-my-eyes-out colors. |
| 15:51.39 | RST38h | npm: But it is a progress: they are now offering the whole EGA palette rather than CGA! |
| 15:52.10 | npm | there are some useful apps, and it rounds out the n950 functionality nicely |
| 15:52.23 | RST38h | Have I forgotten "no ebook reader"? =) |
| 15:52.35 | npm | which is why i wish there was a vmware solution (like on those new android announces) to swithc between mango and meego |
| 15:52.50 | npm | best of both worlds |
| 15:52.51 | RST38h | npm: What is missing from n950 that this abomination has? |
| 15:53.05 | npm | plus you could run mango on an 1g ram phone :-) |
| 15:53.28 | npm | netflix? |
| 15:53.39 | RST38h | Why do you need netflix, anyway? |
| 15:53.43 | RST38h | There is torrent. |
| 15:53.43 | npm | various drm'd media distrubutions |
| 15:53.50 | RST38h | Again, torrent. |
| 15:53.55 | npm | well that's what the n950 can do |
| 15:54.22 | npm | but i didn't have my heart sink when i dropped the lumia this morning... i was like... "that's what you're here for" |
| 15:54.43 | RST38h | it is still a very nicely built device |
| 15:55.00 | npm | and works very well as my daily phone on a phone-only sim |
| 15:55.04 | RST38h | but it basically has no platform. you can't call this bluish square menu a platform. |
| 15:55.35 | RST38h | can't even develop for it in any language used by normal people! |
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| 15:57.33 | npm | gotta run... |
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| 17:49.39 | Estel_ | NIN101, You've deleted Your page about cryptsetup and truecrypt tricks, so I'm unable to check it - which module isn't included in kp, Serpent? |
| 17:50.08 | Estel_ | AFAIK AES is compiled in kernel natively, Twofish via module, and Serpent isn't XTS at all? |
| 17:50.44 | NIN101 | XTS is just a block cipher mode, AES is compiled into the kernel =y, Twofish as a module =M, and Serpent isn't in power kernel. |
| 17:51.45 | Estel_ | thanks. Hm, I've found Your post in kp thread |
| 17:51.58 | Estel_ | that for kp47 You've compiled module for Serpent |
| 17:52.15 | Estel_ | wasn't it included? |
| 17:52.29 | NIN101 | as I said, Serpent isn't in powerkernel, and never was. |
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| 17:52.38 | Estel_ | ok, I got it, but why? |
| 17:52.45 | Estel_ | if You've prepared it? |
| 17:53.02 | NIN101 | prepared? |
| 17:53.07 | Estel_ | any ratoonale given vs including, or just Your post got bloated by other posts? |
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| 17:53.14 | NIN101 | compiled, nothing prepared, ask Pali to include it. |
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| 17:53.36 | Estel_ | NIN101 - I've compiled modules for the serpent cipher and the block cipher mode XTS |
| 17:53.41 | Estel_ | ok |
| 17:53.43 | Estel_ | thanks |
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| 17:54.07 | NIN101 | xts was more important for truecrypt than serpent. |
| 17:54.21 | Estel_ | yea I know what xts is |
| 17:54.29 | NIN101 | also it is known to be slower than AES.... |
| 17:54.33 | Estel_ | true |
| 17:54.44 | Estel_ | the funny thing is that while benchmarking speed in truecrypt |
| 17:54.51 | NIN101 | I know... :-) |
| 17:54.51 | Estel_ | using it's option to benchmark |
| 17:54.57 | Estel_ | Serpent got higher. Bug? |
| 17:55.15 | Estel_ | affected by XTS working for aes or twofish? |
| 17:55.24 | Estel_ | or it's really faster on our device? :P |
| 17:56.01 | Estel_ | BTW, You may be sure that Your swap encrypted all the time isn't affecting speed in any way, most of situations |
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| 17:56.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | Lava_Croft: bonus points for gibberish private wuery to ask for -q |
| 17:56.28 | Estel_ | 200 mhz processor have higher flowthrough with AES than our flash storage can handle |
| 17:56.52 | Estel_ | so, overclocked or not, encryption on the fly doesn't affect our read/write speed at all |
| 17:57.03 | Estel_ | *unless* device is on 100% CPU usage |
| 17:57.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen Lava_Croft |
| 17:57.39 | infobot | lava_croft is currently on #maemo (2h 14m 40s), last said: 'flasher works fine on windows'. |
| 17:57.39 | Estel_ | cause encrypting uses CPU, obviously, so fully occupied starts to encrypt/decrypt slower |
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| 17:58.10 | freemangordon | Estel_, doesn't omap have cryptographic HW? |
| 17:58.19 | NIN101 | omap_aes would be interesting indeed |
| 17:58.42 | Estel_ | freemangordon, no idea, You tell me? If yes, any access to it? |
| 17:58.46 | freemangordon | Does it have kernel-support? |
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| 17:59.13 | freemangordon | Hmm, will google these days |
| 17:59.24 | Estel_ | yea, trying already |
| 17:59.38 | Estel_ | the problem is that even it if have it, I have no idea how we can use it |
| 17:59.45 | Estel_ | probably through some kernel module? |
| 17:59.52 | Estel_ | here my guessworking potential ends :P |
| 18:00.12 | freemangordon | :D, ok, will check what is there and what not |
| 18:00.12 | NIN101 | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/n900_aes_and_sha1-md5_hw_acceleration_drivers/ |
| 18:00.37 | Estel_ | thanks freemangordon ;) |
| 18:00.39 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer51: i just go to the source |
| 18:00.41 | Lava_Croft | :) |
| 18:00.44 | Lava_Croft | thanks |
| 18:01.28 | freemangordon | NIN101, someone tried those? |
| 18:03.13 | NIN101 | yes, read the thread ;) |
| 18:04.02 | Estel_ | would be nice to include it in KP |
| 18:04.05 | freemangordon | :D yeah, end the conclusion is that those slower that SW |
| 18:04.12 | Estel_ | lol |
| 18:04.13 | freemangordon | *those are |
| 18:04.22 | Estel_ | lovely |
| 18:04.25 | NIN101 | anyway, I don't care too much about it, it's fast anyway. |
| 18:04.41 | Estel_ | we always need to care, if it can be faster ;) |
| 18:04.49 | Estel_ | but, it seems it won't be in this case |
| 18:06.01 | freemangordon | Well, it is not only about speed, I need to read a bit about what exactly security is there in omap, because if we can securely store keys, it is another kind of beer |
| 18:06.18 | Estel_ | true |
| 18:06.30 | Estel_ | also, maybe there is a bug in backporting? |
| 18:06.40 | Estel_ | there was no conclusion on *why* it's slower |
| 18:06.52 | freemangordon | could be |
| 18:07.20 | Estel_ | see NIN101, how much benefits come from simply scp'ing something into -devel. A chain of events ;P |
| 18:07.58 | Estel_ | BTW, freemangordon, have Your read yesterday's log of CSSU thread? |
| 18:08.15 | Estel_ | it seem that merlin19* is happy about cooperatiown with X-Fade, sic |
| 18:08.30 | Estel_ | not that his request was solved |
| 18:08.57 | Estel_ | he just doesn't seem to be blacklisted by X-Fade as rest of #maemo and X-fade actually responds to him |
| 18:09.08 | Estel_ | wedll, some people doesn't need much to be happy... |
| 18:09.44 | Estel_ | anyway, merlin19* doesn't understand why we wqant to move repos out from Nokia's protecting wings, which left me quite... confused? ;) |
| 18:09.51 | Estel_ | anyway, process it still ongoing |
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| 18:11.08 | freemangordon | Estel_, TBH I would prefer to stay with Nokia if possible, moving away will fragment the community even more |
| 18:11.24 | freemangordon | Will read logs later |
| 18:11.50 | freemangordon | so merlin1991 will become CSSU-T maintainer too? |
| 18:13.18 | merlin1991 | Estel_: the thing is nokia is providing the infrastructure and some manpower + the official "maemo" sign on top |
| 18:13.35 | plate | well wheres MAemo6/harmattan for my n900 then |
| 18:13.37 | plate | sounds like they aint doing much :P |
| 18:13.46 | Lava_Croft | if it aint really broken, do not try to fix it until its time |
| 18:13.52 | Lava_Croft | and its not the end of 2012, yet |
| 18:14.04 | merlin1991 | obviously things could be better, but that can be worked one without jumping to a completely new system |
| 18:14.35 | merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: it's also been stated that the cobs / apps.formeego.com stuff might move into maemo.org |
| 18:14.54 | merlin1991 | which in turn would most probably end up in nokia funding beyond end of 2012 |
| 18:16.06 | Lava_Croft | merlin1991: yeah, but i talk from current reality, not possibility:) |
| 18:16.09 | freemangordon | (nod) |
| 18:16.15 | Lava_Croft | afaik they only stated for real funding stops at the end of 2012 |
| 18:16.23 | Lava_Croft | of course more things are happening in the background |
| 18:16.41 | merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: even that isn't the full reality |
| 18:16.56 | merlin1991 | what was stated is that funding till end of 2012 is there |
| 18:17.01 | merlin1991 | futher stuff has to be decided |
| 18:18.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | still is amazed about thebig word "funding", given you can get decent root servers for less than 100 bucks per month |
| 18:19.12 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft, I is better to have "maemo" on top of what we are doing. And really, if apps.meego.com (or whatever the name is) becomes a part of maemo.org, that means funding will be prolonged fot at least 3 more years |
| 18:19.16 | plate | a single draemhost VPS should handle all the maemo users still left anyways |
| 18:19.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | incl gigabit backbone with unlimited traffic |
| 18:19.34 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 18:19.52 | Tofe | Hello ! |
| 18:20.11 | Estel_ | I would "trade" maemo name for properly contactable repos maintaioner every day |
| 18:20.32 | Estel_ | being tied with ZNokia ikn *any* way always = |
| 18:20.35 | freemangordon | That could be solved without going out of maemo.org |
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| 18:20.56 | Estel_ | 1) Council without any tools to do anything alone, yet being community representative |
| 18:21.07 | freemangordon | Lets wait for council meeting, hopefuly some decisions will be made (looking at agenda) |
| 18:21.13 | Estel_ | 2) Nokia replying to everything that their lack manpower due to laid offs |
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| 18:21.57 | Estel_ | 3) waiting for every crucial response for at least month, from Nokia |
| 18:22.23 | Estel_ | 4) Nokia paying for service guys for maemo.org + Nokia not controlling it = service guys got us in ass |
| 18:22.30 | Tofe | Does someone has ever had problems with the MfE parameters being not saved ? Especially, the parameter which says "I want to sync my calendar"... The checkbox always goes back to uncheck after having synchronized the calendar... |
| 18:22.40 | Estel_ | I'll stop here, as counting like that is sadening |
| 18:22.52 | freemangordon | Tofe, never (not using it) |
| 18:23.21 | freemangordon | Estel_, still there is a chance, lets decide after council meeting |
| 18:23.41 | Estel_ | of course, I'm not calling for arms and cutlasses ;) |
| 18:24.06 | freemangordon | And our current problem is only partially with Nokia |
| 18:24.17 | Estel_ | if Nokia can change way they're supervising support for maemo infrastructure, who knows |
| 18:24.19 | Lava_Croft | Tofe: it works fine here, but im not using the feature you describe:< |
| 18:24.32 | Estel_ | yet, as DocScrutinizer correctly stated, hosting for such small community is cheap |
| 18:24.37 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 18:24.39 | Tofe | I guess MfE settings are stored in the .qmf/qmailstore.db, I could try to look into that... |
| 18:24.55 | freemangordon | bbl |
| 18:24.59 | Estel_ | we lose much because deciding people aren't part of community and aren't interested either |
| 18:25.07 | Estel_ | we gain... 100 bucks for hosting? |
| 18:26.00 | merlin1991 | wouldn't be able to set up a maemo extras like system with a -devel and stable repo and all the voting and other stuff |
| 18:26.24 | Estel_ | merlin1991, see "Ask the Council" thread |
| 18:26.29 | Estel_ | many propositions there |
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| 18:26.46 | Estel_ | btw, thats why it'*s said to mirror infrastructure first |
| 18:26.53 | plate | my maemo is so frankenstein about 80% of it is from sid. eventualy i''l eliminate the other 20% |
| 18:26.55 | Estel_ | bleeding edge people would use new one |
| 18:26.58 | Macer | hm |
| 18:27.02 | Macer | i'm trying out tmux |
| 18:27.14 | Estel_ | and possibly fall back to old if encounter problems, until hammered |
| 18:27.30 | merlin1991 | realisticly someone will show up todo all this, realize 3 months laters that it is work after all and we're back to square 1 |
| 18:27.52 | Estel_ | IMO it's worth the work |
| 18:28.08 | Estel_ | well, we can always just sit apatheticaly and die |
| 18:28.27 | Estel_ | due to developers frustration (see problems with kp and repos, + CSSU testing now) |
| 18:28.42 | Estel_ | due to Nokia taking plug without preparations from our side |
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| 18:28.45 | Estel_ | etc. |
| 18:29.01 | Estel_ | Have You seen any project that doesn't require work? |
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| 18:29.20 | Estel_ | it would be sin in any religion and philosophy to waste our community potential. |
| 18:29.27 | Lava_Croft | plate: someone should write some script to sid-ify the n900 |
| 18:29.28 | Macer | tmux is interesting |
| 18:29.43 | merlin1991 | Estel_: *if* nokia pulls the plug we can depend on a notice about 3 months earlier |
| 18:29.58 | Estel_ | yea, so why we can't prepare earlier? |
| 18:30.13 | Estel_ | in case of relatkions with Nokia going bad, we can switch not waiting for their plug |
| 18:30.19 | Estel_ | also, 3 months isn't so long |
| 18:30.27 | Estel_ | for hardening bugs of infrastructure swap |
| 18:30.56 | Estel_ | also, community is more motivated if *we* take initiative and do something, not because someone pulled the plug above our heads |
| 18:31.37 | Estel_ | LibreOffice was created because Oracle was bitchy, not because they pulled plug. Yea, it's different scale of userbase etc, but main things are similar |
| 18:31.57 | Estel_ | except for fact that Oracle was plain hostile, and Nokia is plain unexisting, at least in our universe |
| 18:32.05 | Estel_ | "ecosystem" ;P |
| 18:32.10 | merlin1991 | as you stated earlier I'm quite happy with the infrastructure, if the situation with the maemo.org maintainer gets better then I see no point at all to move |
| 18:32.28 | Estel_ | "ecosystem" ;P |
| 18:32.38 | Estel_ | ask Pali if he's also happy |
| 18:32.42 | Estel_ | probably like hell. |
| 18:33.36 | Estel_ | IMO ideas about jumping to Debian infrastructure (they would not notice our resource usage, to be honest - a scale) |
| 18:33.41 | Estel_ | aren't stupid |
| 18:33.57 | Estel_ | well, there is no other working alternative to non-FOSS android |
| 18:34.08 | Estel_ | Mer is still infant. Older, but infant |
| 18:34.15 | Estel_ | webOS - hahaha! |
| 18:34.59 | Estel_ | it's just that sticking with semi-working, yet comfortable - due to others (Nokia) doing paper work - things is quite a potential waste |
| 18:35.06 | Estel_ | anyway, I'm really of now |
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| 18:55.16 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Tizen-alpha-released/ |
| 18:55.20 | Estel_ | someone remember how much time we have to council meeting? |
| 18:56.27 | Estel_ | can't check myself now - browser port blocked and I don't have time to tunnel it :P |
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| 19:46.28 | RST38h | ...Dear Tentacled One, may Your sleep be eternal and Your wrath terminal! Please, hunt down all GNOME3 developers and devour them in the most painful way possible! While you are at it, swallow Lennart, just as an appetizer. Thanks. |
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| 19:47.35 | mgedmin | I sense some bitterness in you ;) |
| 19:47.58 | RST38h | mgedmin: I have been forced to upgrade from Lucid to Precise Pangolin |
| 19:48.18 | mgedmin | who forced you? |
| 19:48.21 | javispedro | before the tentacled one eats them, let me whip them for a while |
| 19:48.25 | RST38h | mgedmin: So, instead of Gnome2, I now have a choice between Unity and GNOME3. |
| 19:48.34 | RST38h | mgedmin: QEmu did |
| 19:48.36 | mgedmin | that must be fun |
| 19:48.47 | mgedmin | I tried both on oneiric |
| 19:48.52 | mgedmin | QtSDK forced me to use Unity ;) |
| 19:49.13 | mgedmin | (when the buggy Qt theme or whatever eats all the memory with huge pixmaps, Mutter crashes. Compiz copes.) |
| 19:49.15 | RST38h | mgedmin: About as much fun as choosing between dog shit and cat shit for your breakfast |
| 19:49.27 | javispedro | this new year gentoo scared the hell out of me by putting a news item saying that gnome3 was unmasked |
| 19:49.42 | mgedmin | "would you rather type with your left hand chopped off or your right hand chopped off?" |
| 19:49.47 | javispedro | fortunately, it is still not in stable so I'm happy =) |
| 19:50.00 | RST38h | To polish things up, i got acquainted with Lumia 800. |
| 19:50.04 | mgedmin | unity is bearable, just... buggy... |
| 19:50.27 | RST38h | mgedmin: both are incredible shit. I have got Xfce now, but it is not fully integrated with Ubuntu |
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| 20:06.04 | javispedro | in the meanwhile, MS already collecting royalties for 70% of android shipments in the US |
| 20:06.40 | javispedro | when will they just drop WP7 (and Nokia) and instead call themselves "The Android Company" |
| 20:07.52 | fredddd | What gives them the right to collect royalties regarding 70% of Android base mobile devices within the US? |
| 20:07.56 | fredddd | And who made that claim? |
| 20:08.35 | fredddd | And what makes that other 30% special enough to not fall under the same jurisdiction? |
| 20:08.41 | javispedro | the source is MS itself: http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2012/jan12/01-12LGPR.mspx |
| 20:10.15 | javispedro | basically, since all of the current andridiot manufacturers did deals with the devil in the past (all of them made winmob devices at some stage), the devil is now coming back and grabbing them all by the balls |
| 20:10.40 | fredddd | In short, how does this Microsoft LG deal influence Google's Android operating system regarding royalties? |
| 20:11.13 | fredddd | As far as I am concerned, LG has shit to say over something Google has created. |
| 20:11.56 | javispedro | .oO( ? ) |
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| 20:13.09 | javispedro | read the press release. it's plain extortion -- but they're trying to do it to everyone |
| 20:14.20 | fredddd | I can not really tell anything from this agreement, for all I care this was done voluntarily to maximise profits, if this news is not presented from a neutral source, and not the source being party held within the news article, there is little I can judge over. |
| 20:15.03 | fredddd | Receiving coverage over a patent portfolio. |
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| 20:15.33 | fredddd | Meaning, you can use the patents the company holds, which has its portfolio covering you, to sue other companies in violation of it? |
| 20:15.36 | fredddd | Or what does this mean? |
| 20:15.48 | mgedmin | it means the patent system is broken |
| 20:16.04 | mgedmin | and lets large companies extort other large companies over trivial patents |
| 20:16.05 | fredddd | I need not an explanation on the patent system. |
| 20:16.08 | fredddd | I need an explanation on this. |
| 20:16.52 | fredddd | To me this just means that Samsung, LG, etc... have made deals with Microsoft, so that they can sue other companies that are in violation of Microsoft's patents, within their own products. |
| 20:17.39 | javispedro | noi |
| 20:17.54 | fredddd | Then what does it mean? |
| 20:18.04 | javispedro | "coverage under Microsoft's patent portfolio for tablets, mobile phones and other consumer devices running the Android or Chrome OS platform" |
| 20:18.19 | fredddd | Having made a deal with a company so that your product is covered by their patent portfolio. |
| 20:18.19 | javispedro | meaning, licenses for all the patents MS believes are in any way related to any of those |
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| 20:19.00 | fredddd | That last line of yours is confusing. |
| 20:19.15 | fredddd | Still do not get. |
| 20:19.51 | javispedro | great because I do not get what's the problem :) |
| 20:19.59 | fredddd | I still think it just means you are allowed to use Microsoft patents upon your own devices and sue those who violate within your own products. |
| 20:20.07 | fredddd | Well, knowing that. |
| 20:20.47 | fredddd | How can you tell Microsoft is receiving royalty rights? The news article does not specify anything besides a cryptic "mutually beneficial agreement". |
| 20:20.56 | fredddd | From that, how were you able to tell Microsoft was receiving royalty rights? |
| 20:21.25 | javispedro | what other kind of agreement can be done? |
| 20:21.31 | fredddd | Many. |
| 20:21.40 | fredddd | Patents for patents. |
| 20:21.44 | javispedro | crosslicensing |
| 20:21.56 | fredddd | Microsoft trying to exhort psychological effect on the market with a certain idea. |
| 20:21.59 | javispedro | but what's the difference? |
| 20:22.11 | fredddd | Royalty fees = you just cash in money per sold product. |
| 20:22.23 | fredddd | Patents for patents = sell patents or give permission to use. |
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| 20:22.33 | javispedro | the problem as we usually see it is ms collecting anything on trivial stuff |
| 20:23.07 | javispedro | payment being in physical money, forced crosslicensing or in human souls is not important |
| 20:23.52 | fredddd | Now you are just taking prejudices and general hate towards the patent system, in this deal, to come to extreme conclusions. |
| 20:24.02 | fredddd | I do not like the patent system and would just as well like to see it pretty much gone too. |
| 20:24.09 | fredddd | But you can not just judge like that. |
| 20:24.09 | javispedro | gtg |
| 20:24.43 | fredddd | All this article says is "these companies can now use Microsoft patents to cover on their own Android based devices, gathered within a mutually beneficial deal". |
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| 20:28.33 | RST38h | Ehehehe http://gizmodo.com/5875563/these-should-be-the-real-logos-of-nokia-starbucks-playboy-apple-and-dunkin-donuts |
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| 20:32.40 | Macer | lol!! |
| 20:32.57 | Macer | mcdiabetes |
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| 21:11.54 | Minos | Hello |
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| 21:13.05 | Minos | I’m having troubles with my N900: the file copying speed between the SD card and the internal memory is incredibly slow (less than 1 MiB/s), is that normal? |
| 21:13.10 | plate | ive seen articles citing payments on a per-handsebasis to MS |
| 21:13.21 | plate | it may be in their SEC filing quarterlies, who knows |
| 21:13.26 | plate | theres definitely extortion going on :) |
| 21:13.39 | plate | with teh full backing of the glorious patent system, courtes, etc |
| 21:14.23 | plate | always has extremely slow flash performance on n900. emmc internal flash. never tried a SD card |
| 21:14.29 | plate | ive seen pages that claim SD cards might be faster |
| 21:14.52 | plate | im lucky if i get 500K/second over usb storage, with stalls now and then |
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| 21:15.41 | Minos | ok, I guess I’ll have to be patient then… |
| 21:17.09 | plate | try SD card if you have one |
| 21:17.42 | plate | also, try 2.6.37 kernel from rescueOS, perhaps it performs better |
| 21:18.01 | plate | not sure what is at fault, bus bandwidth, mem controllers, old kernels.. |
| 21:20.13 | NIN101 | plate: eh what? |
| 21:20.44 | NIN101 | rescueOS kernel won't work with maemo. end of story. |
| 21:20.53 | plate | i didnt say maaemo |
| 21:20.56 | plate | boot into rescueOS, do your copying |
| 21:21.05 | plate | if the kernel performs any better than that ancient 2.6.28 |
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| 21:21.27 | NIN101 | yeah well.... |
| 21:21.32 | plate | if youre transferring 30gb worth of stuff onto myDocs it might be worth a reboot to do if its 10x teh speed :) |
| 21:22.17 | plate | i mean the 'stalls are suspect to me. it will stoip writing anything for 5 secconds |
| 21:22.23 | plate | then write 50 or 100K, then stall again |
| 21:22.23 | plate | then it will write 1MB/second continuous for 30 seconds. so random |
| 21:22.54 | mgedmin | what files are those? |
| 21:23.06 | plate | mp3s |
| 21:23.12 | plate | theyre not a ton of 4 K files |
| 21:23.19 | plate | almost all of them are 5MB a piece |
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| 21:23.24 | mgedmin | there's also the tracker indexer/thumbnailer that are busy eating all the CPU extracting id3 tags from your mp3es as they're being written |
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| 21:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | Minos: known effect - cp runs into swap hell where aggressive swapping out of mempages congests the bandwidth of same controller/interface trying to write same data to final destination on same eMMC chip. |
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| 22:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | Minos: check swappolube and the tmo thread(s) about it - maybe a wrapper around cp command may help, when it just temporarily disables swapping (or reduces swappiness) prior to invocation of real cp binary, and restores all /proc and /sys tweaks to 'normal' after cp finished |
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| 22:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | Minos: I've seen N900 freeze completely on trying to cp a few GB of data between uSD and eMMC |
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| 22:15.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, Minos. Today I accidentaly turned on internal swap that I havent been using for months, then, started my usual combo of applications. Chromium, LibreOffice, and something else. Device immediately started to freeze, regaining control only once for every 15-30seconds or so |
| 22:15.36 | Estel_ | then I realized, that eMMC swap was turned out together with uSD swap |
| 22:15.56 | Estel_ | disabling eMMC swap cleared issues almost instantly (well, swap takes a while to get disabled) |
| 22:16.18 | Estel_ | using swap on eMMC is *really* a bad idea under high I/O from other eMMC partitions |
| 22:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: are YOU responsible for messing with infobot's onjoin? |
| 22:17.25 | Estel_ | with swap on uSD and correct swapiness settings, cp of many gigabites archive, or extracting ED .lzma archive (2GB) or apt-get dist-upgrade from ED don't even "scratch" device responsivness |
| 22:17.28 | Estel_ | wtf? |
| 22:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | (you might deduce from the fact I have to ask at all, as well as the way I ask, that I'm not amused) |
| 22:18.03 | Estel_ | for the good start, I'm going to admit that I'm responsible for everything You may want from me. now, what happened? |
| 22:18.08 | poro | i had to mkdir /home/tmp and bindmount /tmp so rubygems wouldnt run out of memory compiling |
| 22:18.42 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, seriously, I've not touched anything |
| 22:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 22:18.53 | Estel_ | AFAICT |
| 22:18.56 | poro | tmpfs 1024 72 952 7% /tmp a megabyte? |
| 22:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-12 09:43:54] <infobot> Hi there, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? |
| 22:19.33 | Estel_ | hey, I used plain onjoin for You |
| 22:19.37 | Estel_ | like You taught me |
| 22:19.41 | Estel_ | but only once |
| 22:19.50 | Estel_ | is it messing? |
| 22:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | I teach you a quite different lesson in a minute |
| 22:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 22:20.13 | Estel_ | fine, but first tell me what actually happened |
| 22:20.18 | Estel_ | i.e. what's the issue |
| 22:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-12 09:43:54] <infobot> Hi there, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? |
| 22:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | IS THE ISSUE |
| 22:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | wtf shall I think about that crap? |
| 22:21.02 | Estel_ | lol, ven if it's not amusing. It's spamming You about that? |
| 22:21.13 | ShadowJK | is that onjoin for everyone? |
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| 22:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | is that to me? is that from you? why can't you simply post it directly, when I'm online 24/7 anyway?? |
| 22:21.19 | Estel_ | hm, sorry for that - I did it exactly as per instructions You linked me to |
| 22:21.33 | Estel_ | I've posted it, but You were not online ATM |
| 22:21.38 | Estel_ | no, only for DocScrutinizer |
| 22:21.41 | Estel_ | only he sees it |
| 22:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | BS, I'm ALWAYS online |
| 22:21.57 | Estel_ | actually, once I joked about voicemail on IRC |
| 22:22.06 | ShadowJK | 'd used memoserv :P |
| 22:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | BS everybody sees it |
| 22:22.09 | Estel_ | no, You were not when I used onjoin |
| 22:22.32 | Estel_ | well, DocScrutinizer once told me about onjoin command and how to use it |
| 22:22.41 | Estel_ | actually, he used onjoin to tell me about it |
| 22:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | obviously not |
| 22:22.53 | Estel_ | then I reported back, that it's talking to me on every join |
| 22:23.05 | Estel_ | but without response. Eventually, it stopped |
| 22:23.10 | Estel_ | so I though issue is fixed |
| 22:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | and then you thought it's a good idea to do same thing to me??? |
| 22:23.28 | Estel_ | and used it when DocScrutinizer was offline, no idea if by timeout or what. Not in user list :P |
| 22:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | while *I* at very least started message with "estel_: ..." |
| 22:23.51 | Estel_ | well, have used it few times already, and no one complained |
| 22:24.02 | Estel_ | I started it with DocScrutinizer |
| 22:24.13 | Estel_ | it seems that bot interpreted it as second receiver |
| 22:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'm exactly 90s offline every 24h |
| 22:24.19 | Estel_ | thus double message |
| 22:24.49 | Estel_ | well, luck or lack of, depending on point of view. It wasn't ny goal to cause problems. |
| 22:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: nonsense |
| 22:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | there' |
| 22:25.02 | *** join/#maemo Hurrian (~yuki@121.54.2.104) |
| 22:25.11 | Estel_ | anyway, what's the issue, no way to turn it off? |
| 22:25.17 | Estel_ | ~die |
| 22:25.17 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 22:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | s only ONE onjoin for each nick, so you nuked any previous onjoun without even checking |
| 22:26.15 | Estel_ | well, any way to check other's people onjoins? |
| 22:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | and there's NO WAY to list onjoin records, not even for one nick, for the different channels |
| 22:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | as there's a _default onjoin for every nick, plus one chan specific one for each chan the nick joins |
| 22:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 22:27.15 | Estel_ | well, actually, it was You who told me to use it ;) |
| 22:27.24 | Estel_ | I haven't messed with default onjoin |
| 22:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | I *never* told you to use it |
| 22:27.33 | Estel_ | what You see is only for Your eyes, as in Bond |
| 22:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | I told you it existst |
| 22:28.07 | Estel_ | jokes aside, TBH i still don't get what's the issue. it spams You every 2 seconds, or what? |
| 22:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm simply disabling onjoin for this and a number of other chan, I think |
| 22:28.42 | Estel_ | take Your time, have fun |
| 22:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | it's a too powerful cmd for users messing with it indiscriminately |
| 22:29.07 | Estel_ | care to tell us what's exactly this issue? |
| 22:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: It spams the CHANNEL every day, and I don't even know it's caused by me |
| 22:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | and the worst thing is YOU don't see all those problems |
| 22:29.57 | Estel_ | ok, got it. it spams it once a day when You join. |
| 22:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | how would I tell? |
| 22:30.17 | Estel_ | actually, spams for one liner isn't bst word. Now, how to disable it? |
| 22:30.25 | Estel_ | erm |
| 22:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | my client joins after 90s when my DSL reconnects |
| 22:30.32 | Estel_ | wasn't infobot talking like |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not even at home at that time |
| 22:30.43 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, Estel_ wasn't You to know: |
| 22:30.54 | Estel_ | want* |
| 22:31.23 | Estel_ | infobot: DocScrutinizer, Estel_ want You to know: <blabla> |
| 22:32.57 | Estel_ | well, at least it was the case when You used it @ me. Anyway, I'm off, good night ladies and gentlemans |
| 22:33.19 | DocScrutinizer | I got no fsckng clue how and what onjoin command got activated for me, and I don't know who activeated it, and the one who did has no clue if there's been an older more important onjoin already set that gets reset by him |
| 22:33.38 | *** join/#maemo Estel_ (~Estel@d35-11.icpnet.pl) |
| 22:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | coool shit, he's leaving me with this fucking onjoin, and I have to clean all possible alternatives now |
| 22:34.17 | Estel_ | Before I go - ShadowJK, maybe You know what's the sane current limit for charging internals of N900, *not*battery? |
| 22:34.32 | Estel_ | fuck shit, I'm still here, so I can help if it's possible |
| 22:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | before you go, you DAMN REMOVE that onjoin you set |
| 22:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | ! |
| 22:34.44 | Estel_ | just stop shouting around and tell me what to do |
| 22:34.45 | Estel_ | ok |
| 22:34.49 | Estel_ | any command? |
| 22:35.03 | Estel_ | I asked for a command to remove it for past 10 minutes |
| 22:35.20 | Estel_ | just concluded that You're on berserker mode and wouldn't tell me anyway ;) |
| 22:35.27 | ShadowJK | I don't know, but at 1250 I thought it heated up more than you'd expect from just interpolating 1250/950 |
| 22:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know any command as I don't know the command you used to install it - got it now? |
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| 22:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help onjoin |
| 22:36.10 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, thanks. Basically the concept is that using dual-cell battery current is divided by two for each cell |
| 22:36.34 | Estel_ | so, it *should* be safe theoretically, to charge with 1.5 A |
| 22:36.41 | Estel_ | if chip etc won't get fried |
| 22:36.59 | Estel_ | (750mA per cell in ,parrallel cell setup) |
| 22:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | onjoin [#chan|_default] -DocScrutinizer[51] |
| 22:37.22 | ShadowJK | Well it doesn't go higher than 1250, and that's what I'm trying to say, that when I increased the current beyond what bme uses, it heated up more than I would have expected |
| 22:37.41 | Estel_ | because battery or chip itself? the latter I asume? |
| 22:37.42 | ShadowJK | (not the battery, the internals) |
| 22:37.47 | Estel_ | yea |
| 22:37.53 | ShadowJK | I was using a 2400mAh battery at that time |
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| 22:38.23 | Estel_ | so anyway no point in risking for 1250-950= 300mA |
| 22:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help botmail |
| 22:39.08 | Estel_ | thanks ShadowJK! |
| 22:39.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I just did |
| 22:39.14 | ShadowJK | After I noticed the heating up, I made my script drop to 550mA when temperature rose above 50C |
| 22:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | even that sucks |
| 22:39.23 | poro | make it explode!! |
| 22:39.26 | ShadowJK | Eventually I just settled for charging at 950 without temperature throttle |
| 22:39.58 | Estel_ | I wonder what part gets hot so fast |
| 22:40.05 | Estel_ | due to 300mA difference |
| 22:40.10 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I just did |
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| 22:40.21 | Estel_ | ~onjoin DocScrutinizer blablabla |
| 22:40.21 | infobot | ok, Estel_ |
| 22:40.30 | Estel_ | so maybe |
| 22:40.36 | Estel_ | ~onjoin -DocScrutinizer blablabla |
| 22:40.36 | infobot | Estel_: ok |
| 22:40.44 | Estel_ | ~onjoin -DocScrutinizer |
| 22:40.44 | infobot | Estel_: ok |
| 22:40.45 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:40.49 | *** kick/#maemo [Estel_!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
| 22:40.55 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:41.00 | ShadowJK | Well there's known parasitic/undocumented resistance in the path between charging circuit and battery, and we know that the heat is resistance*current*current (current squared), so.. :P |
| 22:41.17 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, he was removing it? |
| 22:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~onjoin -DocScrutinizer |
| 22:41.17 | infobot | ok, DocScrutinizer |
| 22:41.18 | *** join/#maemo Estel_ (~Estel@d35-11.icpnet.pl) |
| 22:41.28 | ShadowJK | <ShadowJK> Well there's known parasitic/undocumented resistance in the path between charging circuit and battery, and we know that the heat is resistance*current*current (current squared), so.. :P |
| 22:41.53 | Estel_ | thanks for quoting... |
| 22:42.11 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, care to leave berserker mode? I was actua..y clearing onjoin for You |
| 22:42.33 | poro | infobot: status |
| 22:42.33 | infobot | Since Tue Jan 3 23:54:57 2012, there have been 11 modifications, 348 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 200 commands. I have been awake for 8d 22h 47m 36s this session, and currently reference 118348 factoids. I'm using about 35500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2580.67/54.35 child 0/0 |
| 22:42.52 | Estel_ | ~die |
| 22:42.52 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 22:42.53 | poro | active fork? what so it can "think" for a while? |
| 22:43.32 | ShadowJK | I suspect it forks shitty perl scripts |
| 22:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help lobotomize |
| 22:43.59 | Estel_ | anyway, this whole onjoin mess gave me a nice idea for april's fool day |
| 22:44.27 | Estel_ | does infobot also have channel operator status? |
| 22:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help lobotomy |
| 22:44.35 | ShadowJK | Estel_, I don't really care what you do with your own N900, but personally I'm not risking it, considering the poor availability of N900s today, and their habbit of dying mysterious deaths |
| 22:45.00 | Estel_ | ShadowJK, exactly true |
| 22:45.01 | poro | 1250 sounds like overkill |
| 22:45.09 | Estel_ | that's why I concluded it's not worth the risk |
| 22:45.20 | ShadowJK | poro, not if you're charging a 2500mAh battery |
| 22:45.25 | Estel_ | diferrence from 950 to 1250 is only 300 mA |
| 22:45.27 | ShadowJK | from the battery's point of view |
| 22:45.31 | Estel_ | not worth the risk |
| 22:45.37 | poro | are we calkin gCPU MHz or charge current? |
| 22:45.44 | Estel_ | well actually I'm charging 3070 mAh one... |
| 22:45.46 | poro | im talking OC speeds |
| 22:45.58 | Estel_ | we're talking charging current |
| 22:46.40 | ShadowJK | I don't have a overclock either. It's funny, when people started overclocking, they were like "Well I don't care if it dies in a year, next year nokia will have a N910 or whatever and I'll get that instead!" |
| 22:46.44 | Estel_ | That's why I asked first knowledgeable one (ShadowJK ;) ) before trying, actually |
| 22:46.51 | poro | well, N9 is out |
| 22:46.57 | Estel_ | well, N9 is a joke |
| 22:46.58 | poro | and, id imagine its more or less as open as n900 was |
| 22:46.59 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 22:47.05 | SpeedEvil | poro: hahahhhhahahahahhahah. |
| 22:47.07 | poro | just QT instead of GTK |
| 22:47.11 | ShadowJK | poro, it's way more closed, people are still struggling to use it |
| 22:47.14 | poro | ok |
| 22:47.20 | Estel_ | I use 500-900mhz limits rock stable |
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| 22:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~chanset |
| 22:47.46 | Estel_ | Personally, I plan to use my N900 for years |
| 22:47.48 | poro | mgedmin had a postiive N9 comment on LWN's tizen thread |
| 22:48.04 | poro | and that blogger the debian-mobile guy linked to liked his |
| 22:48.16 | Estel_ | If I would pau such insane money for new to,y I would probably also comment it positively |
| 22:48.19 | ShadowJK | poro, I haven't followed it closely, but to me it appears it's more difficult to break/root/hack N9 than most android handsets |
| 22:48.34 | poro | ouch |
| 22:48.38 | Estel_ | ~aegis |
| 22:48.38 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 22:48.43 | poro | he also had a N950, so i doubt he paid for it or anything. |
| 22:48.49 | poro | gotta suck up to hte "people who send me free stuff" |
| 22:49.08 | poro | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fUgbx4RTpGY/TreyKLXw6aI/AAAAAAAAANc/5wvYTlwG5xo/s1600/freemobile1.jpg |
| 22:49.21 | ShadowJK | I'm sure that N9 is ok for people who only want to do, uh, web stuff? |
| 22:49.38 | Estel_ | for 600 pounds |
| 22:49.56 | Estel_ | Big Bad Browser for 600pounds... |
| 22:49.57 | poro | its 3x the price of n900 available NIB on ebay |
| 22:50.04 | Estel_ | nope |
| 22:50.17 | Estel_ | N900 in ideal condition can be bought for as low as 150dollars |
| 22:50.25 | Estel_ | withnout searching, for 200$ |
| 22:51.09 | ShadowJK | wonders if there's a summary page for the open/closed and flasher status of N9 |
| 22:51.16 | poro | wow it has trusted-comuting crap |
| 22:51.19 | poro | nevermind |
| 22:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chanset #maemo |
| 22:52.04 | infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) |
| 22:52.04 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: sorry for berserkermode :-D. Would you please test the ~onjoin DocScrutinizer blabla again? |
| 22:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ ? |
| 22:55.13 | ShadowJK | ? |
| 22:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Would you please test "~onjoin DocScrutinizer blabla" |
| 22:55.51 | ShadowJK | ~onjoin DocScrutinizer blabla |
| 22:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 22:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~onjoin DocScrutinizer |
| 22:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~onjoin #maemo DocScrutinizer |
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| 23:04.18 | poro | can you program the bot via msg or something? |
| 23:04.38 | poro | maybe cuz i have notices/privmsgs ignored i never noticed what the problem was (nor do i ever join/part if i can avoid it) |
| 23:04.47 | poro | but this relentless configuring has gone on about 5 screens |
| 23:05.16 | poro | ah he does work via msg |
| 23:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | it's finished and tested now, so chill a bit |
| 23:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:06.03 | poro | ~android |
| 23:06.03 | infobot | i heard android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
| 23:06.19 | poro | ~openmoko |
| 23:06.19 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, openmoko is a joint venture of FIC and the open source community creating a complete open source phone platform stack. see http://openmoko.com |
| 23:06.29 | poro | wow, where do i get on board! |
| 23:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, you can also /query infobot, but *I* can't do all the stuff you can, as some of the stuff always works when _I_ do it ;-D |
| 23:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~query |
| 23:07.12 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 23:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | poro: get on board of... what? |
| 23:08.07 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, sorry, I've beebmafk. And, no problem |
| 23:08.13 | poro | openmoko!! |
| 23:08.29 | Estel_ | well, openmoko website was quite outdated when I last checked, it's nice that it's alive |
| 23:08.34 | poro | ive seen like, homebrew GTA04v12 runs by german tweakers |
| 23:08.47 | poro | have they fixed mic-buzz issue yet heh |
| 23:09.00 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, honestly, objectively - does it have chance to be ready for end-users-geeks anytime in upcoming years? |
| 23:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | poro: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ |
| 23:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | poro: no, *I* have fixed buzz ;-D |
| 23:09.44 | poro | yeah ok, i lack a GTA01/2 to plug it into |
| 23:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~joerg |
| 23:09.46 | infobot | i guess joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 23:09.49 | Estel_ | I'm asking as You seems to be knowledgeable about openmoko |
| 23:10.16 | Estel_ | ~DocScrutinizer |
| 23:10.16 | infobot | [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 23:10.26 | Estel_ | ~Estel |
| 23:10.31 | Estel_ | booo ;) |
| 23:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | poro: Nikolaus of Goldelico is aware of the problem. Right ATM "we" are searching for ways to build new spare cases |
| 23:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH you probably can find a used GTA02 for ~80 bucks |
| 23:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 60 |
| 23:12.41 | Estel_ | oh fuck, one question ok? |
| 23:13.00 | Estel_ | I'm using encrypted partition without filesystem, that I've already set to mapper |
| 23:13.01 | Estel_ | lest say |
| 23:13.14 | Estel_ | /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 |
| 23:13.22 | Estel_ | now I want to make filesystem on it |
| 23:13.41 | Estel_ | but, neither Truecrypt automaticaly, or I manually can do it, due to f*ckin error: |
| 23:13.57 | Estel_ | /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 23:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 23:14.15 | poro | ~tizen |
| 23:14.16 | Estel_ | how the holy shit can I mkfs a encrypted partition without erasing encryption? |
| 23:14.21 | poro | https://lwn.net/Articles/474805/ |
| 23:14.31 | Estel_ | scratching my head about it for 2 hours |
| 23:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: a good question |
| 23:15.10 | Estel_ | "with a very interesting answer for it. You can have it for mere 12 billions of credits" |
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| 23:15.22 | Estel_ | sorry, can't stop myself from quoting star control 2 |
| 23:15.46 | Estel_ | the worst thing is that it seems to work for other people |
| 23:15.54 | Estel_ | wtf I am doing wrong?... |
| 23:17.24 | Estel_ | umount /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 |
| 23:17.39 | Estel_ | umount: can't umount /dev/mapper/truecrypt1: Invalid argument |
| 23:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: either: there's a way to override the test in mkfs so it will create a FS on loopmounted devices (seems that shall work since ages, as normal loopmounts of files as partitions is a common practice), or: your mount has to be so much different to a normal mount that it doesn't look like a mount to mkfs anymore. For that topic mount -o loop seems obsolete |
| 23:18.05 | Estel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.07 | Estel_ | hm |
| 23:18.19 | Estel_ | mke2fs 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 23:18.28 | Estel_ | /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 23:18.31 | Estel_ | paranoia |
| 23:18.47 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, will check for force parameters on mkfs |
| 23:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | losetup? |
| 23:20.14 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, verbose mode pls? |
| 23:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | man losetup |
| 23:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | >>... For that topic mount -o loop seems obsolete |
| 23:21.05 | Estel_ | no manual entry for losetup, will browse for it ;) |
| 23:21.16 | Estel_ | yea , guessed that, thanks... will try |
| 23:25.06 | Estel_ | it seems that there is no way to override tests in mkfs eh... checking losetup |
| 23:25.20 | Estel_ | the thing is |
| 23:25.25 | Estel_ | that I can't mount it normally |
| 23:25.37 | Estel_ | even via -o loop or losetup |
| 23:25.49 | Estel_ | or mkfs will override encryption |
| 23:26.03 | Estel_ | it *has* to be mounted by truecrypt, so decryption on the fly |
| 23:26.24 | Estel_ | then it should mkfs without problem, no idea why it complain about it "being mounted" |
| 23:27.12 | Estel_ | truecrypt "mounts" /dev/mmcblk0px to /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 , asking for passwords keyfiles etc |
| 23:27.40 | Estel_ | truecrypt "mounts" /dev/mmcblk0px to /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 , asking for passwords keyfiles etceing mounted |
| 23:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: man 8 mount|less "+/THE LOOP DEVICE" |
| 23:28.06 | Estel_ | thanks, will check... |
| 23:28.59 | Estel_ | sorry for my ignorance, but how to merge it with truecrypt mounting, that is absolutely necessary... |
| 23:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | it seems to me you fist loopmount your file/partition to /dev/mycryptdev, then format that with e.g mkfs.crypt /dev/mycryptfs |
| 23:29.19 | Estel_ | or I end with *non* encrypted partition, that was mkfs'ed |
| 23:29.48 | Estel_ | wait wait. so should I ommit mapper at all? |
| 23:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | then umount it and mount again from file/partition to /dev/mycryptfs TO /mst/cryptstore, according to man 8 mount|less "+/THE LOOP DEVICE" |
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| 23:30.44 | gh0strider | can anyone here recommend a phone that will work great with linux/maemo products that will also work with the sprint network ? |
| 23:30.55 | gh0strider | i really wish i could go with the nokia n900 but it will not work with sprint... |
| 23:31.16 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks, it seems sane |
| 23:31.25 | Estel_ | yet, one problem |
| 23:31.40 | Estel_ | /dev/truecrypt1 dissapears as soon as truecrypt mount is disabled |
| 23:31.54 | Estel_ | >> it seems to me you fist loopmount your file/partition to /dev/mycryptdev, then format that with e.g mkfs.crypt /dev/mycryptfs |
| 23:32.32 | Estel_ | don't have /dev/truecrypt1 to mount my encrypted partition to. |
| 23:32.53 | Estel_ | or I'm missing something? |
| 23:34.52 | gh0strider | so does anyone have any recommendations for a phone that will work with sprint that i could install linux on and maemo products? |
| 23:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | losetup seems to be able to mount a file to /dev/CryptedLoop1, without same time mounting /dev/CryptedLoop1 to /mst/MyCryptedStore |
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| 23:35.03 | gh0strider | i would apprecaite any advise you guys might have... |
| 23:35.26 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, yes, just a second, as I seem to miss the obvious |
| 23:35.52 | Estel_ | how can I mount a partition or file to /dev/CryptedLoop1 without /dev/cryptedLoop1 |
| 23:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | mkfs should format a /dev/CryptedLoop1 |
| 23:35.56 | Estel_ | existing |
| 23:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | losetup |
| 23:36.18 | Estel_ | yes, but to cryptedloop1 to exist, it need to be mounted by truecrypt |
| 23:36.27 | Estel_ | or losetup can "create" /dev/? |
| 23:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess it can |
| 23:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's the purpose of losetup, according to manpage |
| 23:37.04 | Estel_ | will try it, but what wonders me, is why the fuck it works on desktop linux and, reportedly, on other people's devices without so much hassle |
| 23:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | Setup loop device: |
| 23:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.32 | Estel_ | NIN101 tried it fwq hoursd ago and he was just able to mkfs.ext4 /de//truecrypt1 so I wondeer wtf |
| 23:37.38 | Estel_ | ah |
| 23:37.42 | Estel_ | missunderstood that |
| 23:37.45 | Estel_ | ok, will try |
| 23:38.33 | Estel_ | dev* not /de// of course >> (...) he was just able to mkfs.ext4 /dev/truecrypt1 (without hassle) |
| 23:41.27 | Estel_ | damn, it's beyond my understanding |
| 23:41.45 | Estel_ | even when I suceed at creating /dev/ |
| 23:41.50 | Estel_ | it |
| 23:42.03 | Estel_ | *isn't* properly decrypted without truecrypt |
| 23:42.19 | Estel_ | and if I truecrypt mount loopback device |
| 23:42.22 | Estel_ | same story |
| 23:42.30 | Estel_ | won't mkfs it due to it being mounted |
| 23:42.50 | Estel_ | losetup can't decrypt it without truecrypt that provides passwords and keyfiles. |
| 23:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | I never looked into truecrypt - would expect they have a decent wiki page that deals with "how to format a raw file to hold a truecrypted FS" |
| 23:43.31 | Estel_ | heh, they have |
| 23:43.42 | Estel_ | mkfs.* /dev/mapper/truecrypt1 |
| 23:43.53 | Estel_ | it should damn work out of the box |
| 23:43.57 | Estel_ | that's the thrill. |
| 23:44.10 | Estel_ | On desktop ikt works. NIN101reported that it also works for him |
| 23:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | maybe your kernel isn't up-to-date |
| 23:44.52 | Estel_ | TrueZCrypt can also mkfs it just after creation, automaticaly. And, while trying that, ekfs2 complained about it being mounted |
| 23:45.02 | Estel_ | well, NIN101 uses same kernel-power |
| 23:45.11 | Estel_ | it seems, that only my mkfs complain |
| 23:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously encrypted FS is using kernel level FS drivers |
| 23:45.25 | Estel_ | yes, properly loaded |
| 23:45.31 | Estel_ | it *is* decrypted properly |
| 23:45.40 | Estel_ | if i provide wrong password, it complains |
| 23:45.54 | Estel_ | with good password, it mount it properly as raw partition |
| 23:46.07 | Estel_ | the only thing that doesn't seem to work as it should is damn mkfs |
| 23:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | pragmatic solution: copy the already formated "empty" raw file to N900 |
| 23:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | from PC |
| 23:46.28 | Estel_ | tried mkfs.ext2, *.ext3, *.ext4 |
| 23:46.39 | gh0strider | no suggestions for any other phones for linux and maemo products other than n900? |
| 23:46.41 | Estel_ | can't do, it's a partition, not file |
| 23:46.53 | Estel_ | file is utterly useless on wear-leveled storage |
| 23:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | dd then :-D |
| 23:47.04 | Estel_ | right |
| 23:47.08 | Estel_ | that's the option :P |
| 23:47.33 | Estel_ | gh0strider, You wont't use "maemo products' on non Maemo phone |
| 23:47.37 | Estel_ | especially on android |
| 23:47.50 | Estel_ | and wtf is that springnet You need to use so badly? |
| 23:48.14 | gh0strider | Estel sprint network |
| 23:48.36 | Estel_ | whatever |
| 23:48.46 | gh0strider | is there any maemo phones that might work with sprint? |
| 23:48.47 | Estel_ | is it some closed propertiary p2p? |
| 23:48.58 | Estel_ | ~sprint |
| 23:48.58 | infobot | Sprint is a company that promises you the blue sky yet fails to deliver everytime. Do yourself a favor and don't call 1-800-PIN-DROP. |
| 23:49.06 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 23:49.34 | Estel_ | may I ask You why You need sprint network? |
| 23:50.13 | gh0strider | Estel_: i signed a 2 year contract with them, i really did not want to go with sprint but my girl's sister works for sprint so we signed up with her on a 2 year contract... |
| 23:50.54 | Estel_ | what a meritocratic reason ;) |
| 23:50.57 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 23:50.57 | Hurrian | @ghostrider: better question is "do any maemophones have a CDMA chip" ? |
| 23:51.15 | Estel_ | AFAIK there *is* solution to use such strange wifi provider in N900 |
| 23:51.23 | Estel_ | LOL |
| 23:51.30 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: There are two public maemo phones. |
| 23:51.34 | Estel_ | You're talking about wifi, no CDMA, yep? |
| 23:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: The n900, and the n9. |
| 23:51.39 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: That's it. |
| 23:51.43 | Estel_ | N9 isn't maemo |
| 23:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | giving the money directly to her would've been a better ratio tahn paying for sprint to give her 0.5% provision |
| 23:51.49 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: debatably |
| 23:51.53 | Estel_ | N9 is unknown harmattanish object |
| 23:52.07 | SpeedEvil | There are up to two then, |
| 23:52.15 | Hurrian | sucks for americans to have the best networks be CDMA and not GSM like the rest of the world |
| 23:52.20 | gh0strider | i know i can order a n900 but i would like to get a phone that i could use and install linux on it and since i am with sprint i need a phone that will work with sprint... |
| 23:52.40 | Estel_ | gh0strider, I don't know any phone with cdma any way, but americans got some, probably |
| 23:52.56 | Estel_ | buy a tablet + cdma modem? |
| 23:53.01 | Estel_ | or even better, network? |
| 23:53.03 | Estel_ | tfu |
| 23:53.05 | Estel_ | netbook |
| 23:53.15 | SpeedEvil | gh0strider: you can't install maemo on a phone, even if you can instlal linux. |
| 23:53.34 | Estel_ | or, buy a cdma modem that got linux driversand use it with N900 via hostmode? |
| 23:53.51 | gh0strider | ya i have been using linux for awhile but i am brand new to this whole mobile linux phone area... |
| 23:54.00 | Estel_ | otherwise, SpeedEvil is totally true so no joy for You |
| 23:54.01 | Hurrian | @gh0strider lots of android phones have CDMA versions. if you want, grab the cheapest crapola android phone with wifi tethering |
| 23:54.16 | Estel_ | ...and tether wifi to N900 |
| 23:54.18 | gh0strider | i think i am going to have to go with an android phone |
| 23:54.20 | Estel_ | would also do |
| 23:54.27 | gh0strider | i think they have some ubuntu android versions out there... |
| 23:54.38 | Estel_ | no, they have not ;) |
| 23:54.53 | Estel_ | android != GNU |
| 23:54.57 | Estel_ | only linux kernel |
| 23:55.03 | Estel_ | and that is even changing lately |
| 23:55.08 | Estel_ | ~android |
| 23:55.08 | infobot | it has been said that android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
| 23:55.51 | gh0strider | Estel_: i think you know what i meant... |
| 23:55.56 | gh0strider | no need to be so technical |
| 23:55.59 | Estel_ | to be honest, no |
| 23:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo android |
| 23:56.03 | infobot | android -- created by TimRiker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> at Tue May 27 20:54:25 2008 (1325 days); last modified at Fri Jul 11 20:47:02 2008 by mjr!i=mjrauhal@myntti.helsinki.fi; it has been requested 21 times, last by Estel_, 55s ago. |
| 23:56.05 | Hurrian | if linux hw support wasn't good and bsd driver support wasn't shit, google could port the entire Android stack to *BSD ;) |
| 23:56.08 | gh0strider | okay if thats how you feel... |
| 23:56.11 | Estel_ | I don't see any relation between ubuntu and androidp on any level |
| 23:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 23:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | a genuine timriker factoid :-D |
| 23:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | mentioning Neo |
| 23:56.40 | gh0strider | this channel is harsh... =-P |
| 23:56.50 | Estel_ | gh0strider, no harsh intended |
| 23:56.54 | Hurrian | @gh0strider you should see tmo. |
| 23:57.04 | Estel_ | I *really* *honestly* don't know what You mean by ubuntu android |
| 23:57.10 | Estel_ | without any irony on layer 2 |
| 23:57.16 | Hurrian | i think he means a chroot |
| 23:57.27 | Hurrian | which is ass-backwards, painful and stupid on so many levels |
| 23:57.27 | Estel_ | ah, maybe |
| 23:57.57 | Estel_ | well, our ED chroot is working well lately thanks to Sulu and others work. I doubt Android got so qorking chroot |
| 23:58.14 | Hurrian | i've been trying to bear with unity 2d on an ubuntu chroot on a tab 8.9 - it's laggier than the android ui itself |
| 23:58.20 | Hurrian | because vnc |
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| 23:58.27 | Estel_ | I will grill TrfueCrypt maintainer for uploading version that fails to work with mkfs on my device |
| 23:58.36 | Estel_ | wait, the maintainer is me |
| 23:58.48 | Estel_ | well, I need to think about it for a while. BRB |
| 23:58.54 | Hurrian | and because android doesn't have a native xserver = big problem |
| 23:59.01 | Hurrian | if you want to run desktop linux apps |
| 23:59.13 | SpeedEvil | passes Estel_ some barbecue sauce. |
