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| 00:38.01 | burro | why im stickin with Maemo |
| 00:38.07 | burro | sick of wasting my time tweakin crap out |
| 00:38.14 | burro | sure its a bit bloated. sure its a bit of an old snapshot of debian with a few proprietary bits |
| 00:38.28 | burro | but Android? iOS? Are you serious |
| 00:42.23 | merlin1991 | burro: "meego" harmattan ;) |
| 00:42.30 | merlin1991 | aegis ftw |
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| 04:51.13 | Sazpaimon_ | Im giving my girlfriend my N900 (have an N9 now) |
| 04:51.27 | Sazpaimon_ | i just reflashed everything back to PR1.3 and a fresh EMMC |
| 04:51.44 | Sazpaimon_ | which repositories should I enable for her, she's an intermediate user |
| 04:51.55 | wmarone | Extras |
| 04:52.02 | Sazpaimon_ | not testing? |
| 04:52.17 | wmarone | eh, if she can enable it then yes |
| 04:52.34 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont know if it'd be of any use for her... |
| 04:52.41 | Sazpaimon_ | i almost always enable testing and devel |
| 04:52.52 | wmarone | there's some interesting stuff in testing and devel, but stability and usability isn't guaranteed |
| 04:52.58 | Sazpaimon_ | but I don't want her to have to figure out fapman, which is kind of annoying sometimes |
| 04:53.20 | Sazpaimon_ | and with testing and/or devel enabled, the default application manager is useless |
| 04:53.32 | Sazpaimon_ | takes forever for apt-worker.real to finish |
| 04:53.38 | Sazpaimon_ | not sure if that's because of testing or devel |
| 04:54.45 | Sazpaimon_ | one of those two at least |
| 04:55.49 | Sazpaimon_ | god I cant get used to maemo 5 anymore |
| 04:56.12 | Sazpaimon_ | its just not as smooth as harmattan :( |
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| 05:02.06 | Sazpaimon_ | an update showed up immediately on a fresh reflash+emmc, good to see CSSU is nicely integrated now |
| 05:04.39 | Sazpaimon_ | ...or wait, maybe that was the incremental update nokia to revert that certificate :/ |
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| 05:16.30 | Sazpaimon_ | oh looks like power kernel is only extras-devel |
| 05:16.39 | Sazpaimon_ | unless I want the ancient power42 version |
| 05:17.16 | Sazpaimon_ | will a more recent power kernel ever be promoted? |
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| 05:20.48 | Sazpaimon_ | looks like kernel-power-debug power49 is in extras-testing but not kernel-power |
| 05:22.15 | Sazpaimon_ | I guess I can manually upload kernel-power and flasher without enabling extras-devel |
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| 05:53.12 | xev | my battery almost empty and i cant charge with usb..and i didnt bring my charger... zzz |
| 05:58.47 | Sazpaimon_ | damn, is there a way to manually install this deb *without* having to install root? |
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| 05:59.45 | Sazpaimon_ | I get an "incompatible application package" when i load it up with the application manager |
| 05:59.56 | Sazpaimon_ | thought it might be a missing section in the debian/control but nope, its there |
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| 06:29.11 | Sazpaimon_ | alright, so now i only have extras enabled, stable CSSU, power kernel 49 |
| 06:29.23 | Sazpaimon_ | made sure gainroot doesnt work now |
| 06:29.43 | Sazpaimon_ | I think i can safely give this phone away now |
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| 06:51.25 | xev | Sazpaimon_, n9 is better than n900? |
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| 07:06.21 | Sazpaimon_ | xev, I wouldn't say its better or worse |
| 07:06.30 | Sazpaimon_ | its like comparing apples to oranges |
| 07:06.51 | dangergrrl | i would like an n9 |
| 07:07.00 | dangergrrl | it has ram |
| 07:07.19 | dangergrrl | btw i am tunning for POTYUS |
| 07:07.27 | dangergrrl | POTUS |
| 07:08.04 | dangergrrl | affiliated with the linux party |
| 07:08.54 | Sazpaimon_ | so I give the N900 to my girlfriend after all that special preparation |
| 07:09.00 | Sazpaimon_ | and all she's using it for is sketch |
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| 08:23.22 | xev | Sazpaimon_, how about battery usage? its better than n900? because i would like to have n9 |
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| 08:43.15 | jacekowski | N9 has evil DRM |
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| 08:57.24 | edheldil | dangergrrl: POTUS == President of the United States? :-D |
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| 09:00.22 | dangergrrl | yes |
| 09:00.29 | dangergrrl | i am running |
| 09:00.38 | dangergrrl | free software for all |
| 09:02.08 | vi____ | ShadowJK: You wrote the bq2700 i2c info dump script right? |
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| 11:04.12 | zap | Hey, anyone knows why my N900 sees some strange "HPB110a.FFBBDF" point-to-point wifi station, I can even connect it? I see it everywhere - at home, in metro... The internets says this is specific to the HP PhotoSmart printer... wtf?! |
| 11:05.54 | SpeedEvil | Ad-hoc networks can never be reliably determined that tehy are not there |
| 11:06.00 | SpeedEvil | there is no beacon |
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| 11:07.15 | zap | so that's just because I have seen it somewhere initially and connected it, then it will be in the list forever, unless I remove it? |
| 11:07.44 | jacekowski | yes |
| 11:08.31 | zap | makes sense. Removed it, disappeared. Thanks. |
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| 12:43.38 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/apple_extortion/ |
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| 12:46.14 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/nokia_us_comeback/ |
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| 16:01.22 | shipmentonline | hi |
| 16:03.27 | timeless | Timestamp: 1/11/2012 10:55:17 AM |
| 16:03.27 | timeless | Warning: Expected identifier for pseudo-class or pseudo-element but found '['. Ruleset ignored due to bad selector. |
| 16:03.27 | timeless | Source File: chrome://browser/skin/devtools/common.css |
| 16:03.27 | timeless | Line: 77 |
| 16:03.32 | timeless | .devtools-toolbarbutton:[checked]:hover:active { |
| 16:03.36 | timeless | is there a bug for that? |
| 16:04.14 | timeless | oops, wrong window |
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| 16:29.32 | RST38h | OMG, can I PLEASE replace WP7 on this Lumia with something else? Anything. |
| 16:30.05 | RST38h | It feels like a dumb phone, except that it is kinda hard to call from it |
| 16:32.39 | RST38h | Purrfect, can't even play an .avi |
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| 16:39.32 | timeless | heh |
| 16:39.49 | timeless | the wp7 phone i used had one of the best dialer pads i've ever seen on a touch screen |
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| 16:49.29 | RST38h | ahhhahaha |
| 16:49.37 | RST38h | It offered me to convert an .avi |
| 16:49.51 | RST38h | Spent 30 minutes converting, the result looks like 320x240 resolution |
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| 17:13.30 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, ping |
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| 17:14.45 | Estel_ | see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668 |
| 17:19.41 | Estel_ | Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? |
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| 17:30.21 | plate | RST38h: how close is the hw to n9. can you flash hamattan |
| 17:32.39 | RST38h | plate: different hardware |
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| 17:44.44 | plate | still, buying a WP7 phone then whining in here is like chopping off tour legs and whining your're 2 feet shorter |
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| 17:46.01 | plate | win8+wp7 has a pretty UI imo, but if you thought ANdroid was bad with its lack of libc, fudegadabout it |
| 17:47.42 | kerio | is there an X server for android? |
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| 18:01.52 | plate | http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/262208/highRes/1/-/nokia-800-fbtab.png |
| 18:03.45 | plate | ddg turns up http://androix.org/ and http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/libraries_and_demo/xvncxx11-server-w-vnc-backnd_bwboy.html |
| 18:03.57 | plate | between that and a debian chroot, maybe android isnt too bad |
| 18:04.42 | wmarone | ah, android. reinveting the wheel to no great end for 4 years. |
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| 19:25.05 | plate | end users want FAcebook, not flexibility or freedom |
| 19:37.16 | plate | most developers are happily chasing after $3 app buyers on iOS/Android anyways |
| 19:37.59 | Estel_ | nice, but WTF are You reffering to, plate? |
| 19:38.06 | plate | the current craptitude |
| 19:38.30 | plate | why cant i upgrade my aging, slow, memory-devoid N900 with something that runs ARch/Gentoo/Debian and has multitouch and 1g of ram |
| 19:38.43 | plate | i have to accept all sorts of BS toughyl-coupled with it like an OS and Carrier i dont want |
| 19:39.19 | plate | my answer is that consumers are willing to buy whatever is put infront of their face |
| 19:39.31 | plate | because utimately the market does whatever it can bear getting away with |
| 19:40.27 | lofty306 | as long as it looks pretty with bells and whstlis they'll buy a dirty pair of underware |
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| 19:42.07 | lofty306 | and we ge tossed in thepile with the betamax again |
| 19:43.11 | Estel_ | plate, but we know it already ;P) |
| 19:43.18 | Estel_ | dont need to write about that:P |
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| 19:43.27 | Estel_ | go to iPhone channel and educate them |
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| 19:43.41 | lofty306 | lmao |
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| 20:46.51 | gh0strider | hello everyone, i am looking to be able to put the debian operating system on a phone and unfortunately i am on contract with sprint so does anyone here have a phone that i can add linux to that will work with the sprint network...any suggestions would be great, thank you... |
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| 20:48.02 | gh0strider | from the research that i have been doing a few years ago people seem to have lots of luck with the nokia n900 adding debian linux to that phone but that phone will not work with sprint so does anyone have any suggestions about which phone that will work with the sprint network could have linux added to it? |
| 20:48.43 | kerio | lol mobile phones in the US |
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| 21:25.45 | plate | ghostcube: ask Sprint? |
| 21:26.02 | plate | "which CdMA phones of yours support Debian" |
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| 21:30.08 | plate | N9 looks pretty good, but its $600 NIB on amazon. $200 for a NIB n900 on ebay |
| 21:30.14 | plate | and i doubt it works w/ Sprint |
| 21:30.43 | wmarone | nothing works with sprint unless sprint sells it |
| 21:30.47 | wmarone | (go go CDMA) |
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| 22:09.27 | Sicelo | wonders what would happen if he completely disabled all trackerd options in tracker.cfg |
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| 22:12.04 | plate | Photos wont see new stuff you took, Media Player will report 0 music files, etc |
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| 22:12.13 | plate | you can even apt-get remove trackerd |
| 22:12.39 | plate | as long as you can navitage to ~/DCIM on your own and use mplaye ror something its fine |
| 22:12.57 | plate | i do notice it likes to chew 100% CPU scanning files i could care less about being indexed, so removed it long ago |
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| 22:19.06 | SpeedEvil | you can configure it to be _much_ less aggressive, so it doesn't scan media you don't want it to |
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| 22:21.35 | poro | id3 tags are empty in 50% of files anyway. and wrong in about 25% of the rest |
| 22:21.39 | Sicelo | yeah.. that's what i've just done. for example, i don't see why in the world it indexes MyDocs/.documents/ |
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| 23:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 23:33.57 | infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 23:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | sed -i -e "s/Throttle=0/Throttle=10/" /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
| 23:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: tracker is linux' spotlight |
| 23:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | alas there's not a single app I know of that'd actually *use* all that "index all my `PC` please" functions of tracker |
| 23:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | if there'd be such an app, you should be able to find all mp3, all videos, all pictures, pdf, plain files that have "foobar" *somewhere* in title, name, body, or - with right pluging - even in audio songtext (/me idly wonders if tracker project already has a speech2text indexer plugin) |
| 23:39.55 | merlin1991 | as far as I see it tracker actually needs only 1 fix to work proper on maemo |
| 23:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | webpages, I forgot |
| 23:40.08 | merlin1991 | realize that vfat got unmounted and not all files are gone |
| 23:40.47 | merlin1991 | in other words don't remove umounted media but flag as currently not avaiable |
| 23:41.12 | merlin1991 | which would solve the silly I'm gonna rescan and reextract all your media NAO cuz you plugged out the usb cable |
| 23:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | can't think of *any* fix that would make tracker "work proper" |
| 23:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: "stop trackerd" in ke-recv umount /media/card" script |
| 23:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like a patch for CSSU |
| 23:44.53 | merlin1991 | Imo tracker works perfect as long as its database grows when you contiounsly add media to it |
| 23:45.16 | merlin1991 | as soon as it wipes its database due to a umount it's ofc a huge mess |
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| 23:45.41 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I thought more along the lines of making tracker recognize fs |
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| 23:46.32 | merlin1991 | ofc on maemo5 we can simply stop tracker and start again upon remount since we don't index anything else, but in gereral I think it makes more sense to have tracker assign media not only to a path but also to mountpoint and realize when a mount is missing |
| 23:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 23:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | have fun! |
| 23:47.43 | merlin1991 | shut up ;) |
| 23:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "bindmount" and "empty mountpoint dirs", and "fake fstab" |
| 23:48.08 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 23:48.39 | merlin1991 | but yeah since we're going to ship improved ke-recv anyway we could add the stop trackerd option |
| 23:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | x act ly |
| 23:49.05 | merlin1991 | needs to investigate upon the proper way to pause tracker |
| 23:49.18 | merlin1991 | darkly remembers something about tracker-processes having proper flags |
| 23:49.28 | javispedro | hm? |
| 23:49.49 | javispedro | <merlin1991> as soon as it wipes its database due to a umount it's ofc a huge mess |
| 23:50.06 | javispedro | tracker doesn't know what you did while the fs was unmounted |
| 23:50.39 | merlin1991 | yes but it could realize "this mount point is gone, data could be temporarily unavaiable" |
| 23:50.59 | merlin1991 | instead of just wiping everything from it's database that was there |
| 23:51.17 | merlin1991 | and reindexding upon remount |
| 23:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | it will reindex anyway, upon mount |
| 23:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | it has to |
| 23:51.36 | javispedro | because it does not know what you did while it was unmounted |
| 23:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | it could skip known files though |
| 23:51.57 | javispedro | it would have to md5 them |
| 23:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | assuming they didn'T change meta content |
| 23:52.13 | merlin1991 | javispedro: just let me ask you what does tracker do when you reboot? |
| 23:52.15 | javispedro | or do some other kind of check, so it would be as slow if not actually slower than just parsing metadata again |
| 23:52.23 | merlin1991 | it remembers it has files and it remembers timestamps |
| 23:52.36 | merlin1991 | you can force tracker to reindex files by simply touching them |
| 23:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: MEH |
| 23:53.02 | merlin1991 | so it compares timestamps on files |
| 23:53.16 | javispedro | merlin1991, timestamps are not realiable when you put windows in the equation |
| 23:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | tracker *should* already store full pathname, it also could store size, and inode nr, and ctime/mtime |
| 23:53.20 | merlin1991 | it could do just that upon remount and only reindex what is nerwer |
| 23:53.40 | merlin1991 | fsckd windows |
| 23:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | a 2 stat() is always faster than a id3tag-grep |
| 23:54.24 | merlin1991 | what doc said :) |
| 23:54.25 | javispedro | I am quite happy with tracker performance on the n900 btw, I have around ~20GiB of m4as and it tackes around 2:30 |
| 23:54.30 | javispedro | (minutes, not hours :) ) |
| 23:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | or the synonym on pdf files, for "all words >3 chars, that are not on blacklist" |
| 23:54.43 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, I was thinking about md5, not stat(9 |
| 23:54.56 | merlin1991 | javispedro: I've noticed tracker indexes music quite fast |
| 23:55.08 | merlin1991 | it really sucks extracting video shots |
| 23:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA |
| 23:55.31 | merlin1991 | whenever I remove my video collection from the n900 reindexing is ultrafast |
| 23:55.41 | merlin1991 | but if I readd it tracker is busy for 10 mins min |
| 23:56.06 | merlin1991 | and I'm not talking about 200 movies but like 10 episodes of some series |
| 23:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | When I copied ~25GB of mp3 to my eMMC, trackerd amused me with a ETA guestimate that incresed from "ca. 5 min" to "ca 30 min" over time |
| 23:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | in the end it was more than 30 |
| 23:56.58 | javispedro | hm |
| 23:57.11 | javispedro | it doesn't reindex anything at all when using usb mass storage here |
| 23:57.21 | merlin1991 | javispedro: it always does for me |
| 23:57.27 | merlin1991 | also it depends on what tags you have |
| 23:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | *NOW* it also doesn't here ;-P |
| 23:57.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, your evilness :) |
| 23:58.00 | merlin1991 | for example album art in your mp3s can kill it if the size exceeds some smaller values |
| 23:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | n8 folks |
| 23:58.17 | javispedro | embedded album art is the devil |
| 23:58.23 | javispedro | frigging touchpad wants it |
| 23:58.38 | merlin1991 | on the other hand how do you get tracker to add proper album art to songs? |
| 23:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | tracker too |
| 23:58.48 | merlin1991 | so far I only was successfull with embedded album art |
| 23:58.52 | javispedro | folder.jpg, album.jpg |
| 23:58.59 | merlin1991 | tracker hapily ignored ANY kind of .jpg in the folder |
| 23:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 23:59.25 | merlin1991 | but instantly extracted embedded art to .mediaartlocal :P |
| 23:59.25 | javispedro | I thought my patches for this had gotten into the CSSU? |
| 23:59.39 | merlin1991 | doesn't remember those patches |
| 23:59.44 | merlin1991 | and we never patched tracker |
| 23:59.52 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/tracker/ |
| 23:59.59 | javispedro | that is PR1.3 tracker packages, and the patches |
| 23:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
