| 00:02.53 | plate | its not complicated |
| 00:03.10 | plate | hold down U as you insert battery while its polugged into a pc |
| 00:04.08 | plate | i tend to brick things so good messing w/ debian and vanila kernel that even 6-second-hold on power button doesnt do anything thus the battery thing, im sure you can flash w/o removing battery tho |
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| 00:55.36 | fosstux | Hi! I'm trying to reflash my n900. On Win7 64bit all I get is Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 00:55.38 | fosstux | Nothing elsen. |
| 00:56.00 | fosstux | When trying to flash on Linux (Fedora 16), I get USB device found found at bus 002, device address 009. Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 00:56.10 | fosstux | I'm running the flasher as root. |
| 00:56.17 | fosstux | What am I doing wrong????? |
| 00:56.57 | robbiethe1st | Uh, make sure modules 'phonet' and 'cdc_phonet' are unloaded |
| 01:02.16 | fosstux | robbiethe1st: the two modules get loaded as soon as I plug in the phone... |
| 01:02.39 | fosstux | ok. got it |
| 01:02.39 | SpeedEvil | you need to blacklist them |
| 01:02.40 | robbiethe1st | Blacklist em |
| 01:04.35 | fosstux | I've now flashed the emmc with flasher-3.5 -f <image>.bin -f -R. Now I want to flash the root image. Do I have to change the syntax? |
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| 01:26.14 | fosstux | thanks - it worked |
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| 05:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 05:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | love* |
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| 13:11.02 | badcloud_ | keyboard only web browsing for n900? |
| 13:11.41 | chem|st | badcloud_: make a complete sentence! |
| 13:12.09 | badcloud_ | chem|st: *is there*... |
| 13:12.49 | chem|st | badcloud_: you can use modest keyboard only... or are you looking for text-only shell browsing? |
| 13:12.54 | badcloud_ | vimperator won't install on fennec and I haven't found a conqueror port for maemo |
| 13:13.18 | badcloud_ | modest kbd? |
| 13:13.21 | chem|st | ah ok that way... no idea |
| 13:13.44 | chem|st | is your touchscreen broke? |
| 13:14.24 | badcloud_ | no, but zooming in/out to hit links is irritating |
| 13:14.46 | joga | hmm...I think it works really well, even with my desktop browser I sometimes try to double click on paragraphs to make it focus :) |
| 13:14.47 | Sicelo | i didn't know u could use modest without using ts |
| 13:15.07 | badcloud_ | what's modest? |
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| 13:15.27 | badcloud_ | you mean microb? |
| 13:15.28 | Sicelo | stock email client |
| 13:15.28 | chem|st | sry modest is the email client |
| 13:15.33 | badcloud_ | ah |
| 13:15.33 | chem|st | yeah microb |
| 13:16.00 | badcloud_ | how can you use microb w/out ts? |
| 13:16.02 | chem|st | both starting with m and both I do not make use of... |
| 13:16.36 | chem|st | thought you could ctrl shift... lmch+ |
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| 13:19.04 | badcloud_ | what about links web browser? can it be installed on the n900? |
| 13:19.31 | chem|st | I'd say I was sure that there is a way to "tab" but there isn't afaics |
| 13:20.16 | badcloud_ | DAMMIT, pentadactyl won't install either |
| 13:20.47 | Wizzup | badcloud_, you could file a feature request at pentadactyl |
| 13:21.02 | Wizzup | I perhaps somehow compile firefox for arm |
| 13:21.06 | Wizzup | Perhaps debian chroot? |
| 13:21.24 | badcloud_ | good ideas |
| 13:21.30 | chem|st | yeah links is available |
| 13:22.42 | badcloud_ | E: Package links has no installation candidate |
| 13:22.46 | badcloud_ | boo |
| 13:23.26 | badcloud_ | chem|st: or did you mean via debian chroot? |
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| 13:30.16 | stef_204 | hi, thinking of switching from Nokia N900 to N9--but not convinced if worth it or not. Pretty happy with N900. Anyone here using N9? |
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| 13:34.44 | andre__ | stef_204, some people. |
| 13:35.15 | stef_204 | ok, do you know what the feedback is? |
| 13:36.21 | stef_204 | There's a lot of reviews at the moment and depending who writes them--whether they are Linux buffs or Windows buffs--the review is positive or negative |
| 13:37.00 | stef_204 | I guess if the piece is done by a Windows PR, Meego had "no future", N9 is "stillborn", etc. |
| 13:37.16 | stef_204 | or, N9 is excellent from the Linux buffs |
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| 13:38.08 | stef_204 | They were saying the same re. Maemo but IMHO, Maemo is still being used by a wide base, if I am not mistaken, and has lots of aps developed for it |
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| 13:39.50 | petteri | if you are happy with N900, i see no need to switch to anything. For me N9 really rocks |
| 13:40.10 | petteri | and most of people I know that had N900 have upgraded to N9 |
| 13:40.56 | Wizzup | Is the battery a lot better? |
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| 13:42.19 | petteri | i charge it mostly every night, but i would say that it last two days |
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| 13:50.00 | stef_204 | petteri: ok, that's good feedback. I can get the N9 for "free" with a contract extension but before doing that I am trying to get more feedback |
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| 13:50.36 | stef_204 | one thing I read is that it had no ability to render "flash" when browsing |
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| 13:51.19 | stef_204 | flash is so widely used that that point seems to be a negative--it's going to be some time before HTML5 is the norm, IMO |
| 13:51.36 | petteri | no flash support and the browser does not have any settings, but at least it is fast :) |
| 13:51.53 | stef_204 | perhaps there is some other browser that can be installed which would would render flash?? |
| 13:52.22 | petteri | probably not |
| 13:52.39 | stef_204 | figures |
| 13:53.16 | stef_204 | petteri: what about texting? no problems with the touchscreen, no keyboard? |
| 13:54.04 | petteri | no problems. The virtual keyboard is nice |
| 13:55.44 | petteri | one thing that is good to note is that N9 does that much common with N900 in the UI side |
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| 13:56.25 | petteri | all apps are new, maps work, calendar and email are usable, etc... |
| 13:57.34 | petteri | does not have that much common with N900 i meant to say :) |
| 13:58.06 | stef_204 | right, I understoodd, no worries |
| 13:58.16 | stef_204 | IMAP email is OK? |
| 13:58.47 | petteri | yes |
| 13:59.44 | stef_204 | how is the app store, repository...? not that many aps developed or starting to get there? |
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| 14:01.34 | petteri | i think the app situation is also better than N900 at least there are more commercial ones |
| 14:03.13 | edheldil | fredddd: Hi, were you successful with Jabber and SSL? If you wrote me, I have missed that |
| 14:03.26 | petteri | i am not missing anything, but at least at twitter i see complains that whatsapp is not ported to N9 |
| 14:06.35 | stef_204 | ok |
| 14:07.49 | stef_204 | thanks for the feedback. let me kow if anything else is worth noting on switching from N900 to N9. I'll probably go ahead and get the N9, looks pretty nifty; and keep using the N900 for backup number |
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| 14:11.37 | fredddd | edheldil, there is still an issue with the used XMPP client and wildcard certificates, I got as far as trying the first build, and sending a new log to Robot101, he was then waiting to advise a knowledged friend about it. |
| 14:11.43 | fredddd | This was Saturday. |
| 14:11.57 | fredddd | Nothing new has happened since then, waiting for a new build to try. |
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| 14:24.29 | edheldil | fredddd: ah, ok. Thanks for the effort |
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| 14:42.36 | fredddd | edheldil, I am prety sure it will get fixed, I am ready to continue testing and provide feedback, then we just have to hope it will get accepted by CSSU, as I am not too sure how well CSSU is going, I can not really remember last time my phone updated. |
| 14:43.19 | Robot101 | fredddd: merlin1991 is waiting for us to say it works and he'll include it |
| 14:43.29 | fredddd | Robot101, did you make a new build? |
| 14:43.34 | fredddd | I can test it, if so. |
| 14:43.52 | fredddd | I only tested the first build that was setup, and it did not work, I ended up giving you new logs of it. |
| 14:44.04 | fredddd | That was Saturday. |
| 14:44.39 | Robot101 | no we didn't work out why the old code didn't workso there's nothing to change/update yet |
| 14:44.59 | Robot101 | maybe just put in loads of DEBUG and see if we can figure out that way why it doesn't work |
| 14:45.14 | Robot101 | but I am in 2 days of meetings so I've not got time for that atm |
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| 14:59.56 | fredddd | Robot101, it seems that wild card certificates are troublesome? |
| 15:00.09 | fredddd | If I could I would perhaps generate the certificates individually, but my provider does not allow for such an option. |
| 15:00.45 | Robot101 | ? it's your server isn't it? you can get certificates for free from startssl |
| 15:00.54 | Robot101 | but I'd rather fix it |
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| 15:02.21 | fredddd | Robot101, I would like to stick to just one certificate provider, I kind of paid around 140 euros for it, so I would naturally be keen on resorting to the one I paid for and trying to figure out the best solution with that. =p |
| 15:02.27 | fredddd | Although I appreciate your suggestion. |
| 15:02.50 | fredddd | Robot101, do you use Postfix also? |
| 15:02.53 | Robot101 | yes |
| 15:03.04 | fredddd | I am cracking my mind on why my mail client refuses to connect, and times out. |
| 15:03.16 | fredddd | Dovecot / IMAP is working, I am glad for that. |
| 15:03.33 | Robot101 | maybe your ISP filters port 25 - try enabling port 587 (submission) and test that instead? |
| 15:03.33 | fredddd | I try to connect to Postfix, mail client times out, with no helpful error but "Time Out", and Postfix does not log any signs of me trying to connect. |
| 15:03.46 | fredddd | They do not. |
| 15:04.12 | fredddd | I am trying to STARTTLS on port 25, I tried to do normal SSL on 465 but nothing. |
| 15:04.31 | fredddd | netstat -lnp shows postfix is up and listening. |
| 15:04.34 | fredddd | But I can not see what port though. |
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| 15:05.18 | fredddd | I remember setting up Postfix before following the same tutorial and things worked out, only difference now is that I have my wild card certificate and configured Postfix towards it. |
| 15:05.37 | fredddd | But if that would error, surely, my mail client should tell me, or Postfix should log failures or errors. |
| 15:06.22 | fredddd | Going to see what it does on 587. |
| 15:06.47 | Robot101 | have you tried conecting with netcat? |
| 15:06.56 | fredddd | No idea what that is. D: |
| 15:07.12 | fredddd | * Connecting to SMTP server: acantha.expressionate.org ... |
| 15:07.12 | fredddd | *** Error occurred while sending the message. |
| 15:07.35 | fredddd | /var/log/mail.log <- shows nothing about me trying to connect. |
| 15:07.46 | fredddd | It does show other postfix messages such as the server having started up, so the log works as far I am concerned. |
| 15:07.46 | nid0 | netcat will just manually connect to the port, for testing mailserver access you can also just use telnet |
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| 15:10.46 | fredddd | Looks like netcat is just going to time out as well on that port. |
| 15:10.52 | fredddd | netcat smtp.expressionate.org 25 |
| 15:10.57 | fredddd | Leads to just a new line with the cursor blinking. |
| 15:11.00 | Robot101 | fredddd: it seems to respond well to me on port 25, with STARTTLS working too with openssl s_client |
| 15:11.11 | Robot101 | fredddd: means it's more likely a problem on your end / your network |
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| 15:11.25 | nid0 | yep, smtp server responds fine here too |
| 15:12.28 | fredddd | If I configure my mail on Maemo, and pick TLS. |
| 15:12.32 | fredddd | It will use STARTTLS? |
| 15:12.46 | fredddd | Or do I need to resort to 465 (SMTP) / 993 (IMAP)? |
| 15:15.20 | Robot101 | TLS means STARTTLS, so it should be normal ports, 25 or 587 for SMTP and 143 for IMAP |
| 15:16.53 | fledermaus | fredddd: aha. hello. which version of openssl do you have, that currently fails the ssl certificate check inside gabble? |
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| 15:23.44 | fredddd | Maemo mail does not send out my mail upon configuring smtp.expressionate.org and port 25, using TLS, and the credentials for SMTP are the same as IMAP (same database), IMAP working, I can conclude the credentials are ok. |
| 15:24.26 | fredddd | What is the equivalent of aptitude show openssl but then for apt-get? |
| 15:24.53 | fledermaus | apt-cache show ... |
| 15:25.00 | Robot101 | fledermaus: you can dig maemo.org's packagedb |
| 15:25.00 | fledermaus | or dpkg -l ... |
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| 15:25.11 | fledermaus | Robot101: good idea. |
| 15:25.50 | Robot101 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libssl0.9.8/ |
| 15:25.53 | fredddd | 0.9.8n-1+maemo4+0m5. |
| 15:25.58 | fredddd | But no idea if it is installed. |
| 15:26.18 | Robot101 | dpkg -l |
| 15:26.53 | fredddd | Uh, ii, whatever that means. |
| 15:27.01 | fredddd | I usually use aptitude for this, little experience with apt thingies. |
| 15:27.51 | fledermaus | ii is you asked for it to be installed, and it is installed. |
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| 15:28.08 | fredddd | I see. |
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| 15:29.05 | Robot101 | fredddd: the first two lines from dpkg -l are a key, the capital letter is the one that appears in the appropriate column (requested, actual) |
| 15:29.06 | fledermaus | well, assuming openssl don't number their releases backwards, that's slightly newer than the version that works for me |
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| 15:29.31 | fledermaus | so it's not an old-library problem. |
| 15:30.48 | fredddd | Robot101, Maemo mail does not send out mail either, and /var/log/mail.log shows nothing about it trying to connect, I am so confused by this. |
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| 16:16.09 | edheldil | fredddd: since you are unable to connect with netcat/telnet, I think it's your provider's doing |
| 16:19.02 | fredddd | I will ask at the channel of my provider. |
| 16:19.33 | fredddd | My home connection ISP? |
| 16:19.36 | fredddd | Or my VPS provider? |
| 16:19.43 | fredddd | I believe my VPS provider is clean on this, my home connection ISP however. |
| 16:28.39 | edheldil | fredddd: home connection. They like to do that to "prevent" end user spam. |
| 16:29.04 | edheldil | Have you managed to connect to the submission port? |
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| 16:29.12 | fredddd | 587? |
| 16:29.54 | edheldil | yes. I see that it closes connection, though |
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| 16:45.18 | Shapeshifter | mhh. tethering doesn't work anymore for some reason. the bluetooth connection is made and the client laptop gets an IP from my n900 but it can't connect to the internet... |
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| 17:14.24 | timeless | anyone awake? |
| 17:14.34 | plate | yep |
| 17:15.06 | timeless | i'm trying to figure out how to deal with: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/security/police-cert/europe/finland.asp |
| 17:15.22 | timeless | it makes mention of "fees" |
| 17:15.42 | RST38h | You want a Canadian police certificate? |
| 17:15.56 | timeless | but i can't find a corresponding document within http://www.poliisi.fi/ |
| 17:16.07 | timeless | i want a Finnish issued certificate |
| 17:16.10 | timeless | for use in Canada |
| 17:16.21 | RST38h | Oh shit |
| 17:16.22 | timeless | (i got an FBI issued letter for use in Canada) |
| 17:16.28 | RST38h | Ok |
| 17:16.41 | timeless | but the finnish web site is well... |
| 17:16.47 | timeless | yeah, shit isn't a bad way to describe it |
| 17:16.52 | timeless | (crap would be a better way) |
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| 17:17.07 | RST38h | Basically it is a piece of paper from Finnish Internal Affairs ministry (or whatever it is called) saying you do not have criminal history that they know of |
| 17:17.17 | timeless | yes |
| 17:17.27 | RST38h | As you appear to be an American, you probably do not need it |
| 17:17.38 | timeless | ? |
| 17:17.48 | RST38h | Just get on from Maryland branch of FBI or whoever gives these in the US |
| 17:18.02 | timeless | i got the fbi one |
| 17:18.12 | RST38h | So, why the finnish one? |
| 17:18.14 | timeless | but my lawyers want me to get one from finland |
| 17:18.18 | timeless | because i spent 5 years there |
| 17:18.26 | RST38h | yewwww |
| 17:18.27 | timeless | obviously i could have been a criminal for those 5 years |
| 17:18.32 | edheldil | hehe |
| 17:18.38 | timeless | edheldil: the logic is pretty sound |
| 17:18.48 | RST38h | Yeah, smuggling vodka etc |
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| 17:19.05 | timeless | chewing tobacco? |
| 17:19.15 | timeless | can't remember what that's called |
| 17:19.23 | edheldil | selling counterfeit goods, like Nokia phones. That's what ACTA protects us from! ;-) |
| 17:19.30 | RST38h | Anyway, based on personal experience, the best would be to *call* the Finns at the phone number quoted by the Canadians and *ask* |
| 17:19.43 | RST38h | They will tell you everything about the fees, etc. |
| 17:19.51 | timeless | RST38h: based on personal experience, i'd have to call by 4pm finnish local time |
| 17:19.59 | timeless | which would be um |
| 17:20.01 | RST38h | Of course |
| 17:20.06 | timeless | 9am i guess |
| 17:20.15 | RST38h | does not sound so bad |
| 17:20.21 | timeless | yeah, it could be worse :) |
| 17:20.27 | timeless | sighs |
| 17:20.30 | SpeedEvil | On the subject of legitimate non-smuggled goods that are a really bad idea: |
| 17:20.42 | timeless | SpeedEvil: Steve Jobs action figures! |
| 17:20.47 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/tattoo-kit-2-machines-gun-54-color-inks-power-supply-needles-set-equipment-97019 |
| 17:21.47 | timeless | RST38h: oh, i misread it |
| 17:21.54 | timeless | it isn't pay in advance |
| 17:21.58 | timeless | i'd be invoiced |
| 17:22.05 | RST38h | You *really* wanna call |
| 17:22.20 | RST38h | Do not believe anything Canadian gov site says about Finnish gov |
| 17:22.23 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/09/nokia_another_os/ <-- moar |
| 17:22.29 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: that cup holder is OK, I guess ;-) |
| 17:22.51 | SpeedEvil | ruskie: I've said before it's likely for patents |
| 17:23.28 | ruskie | hehe |
| 17:23.33 | timeless | RST38h: i can't believe that the poliisi site is powered by notes |
| 17:23.38 | timeless | that's just scary |
| 17:24.04 | timeless | oh right, i was supposed to look up my finnish identity number |
| 17:24.25 | timeless | (i've thankfully forgotten it, i wonder if someone else knows it) |
| 17:24.40 | SpeedEvil | 42? |
| 17:24.56 | edheldil | 666 |
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| 17:26.55 | timeless | SpeedEvil: it's really 10 characters |
| 17:27.19 | timeless | 6 are birthdate, another character is spent for the century |
| 17:27.40 | timeless | and then 3 digits for the person |
| 17:27.54 | timeless | finland doesn't support having more than 1000 people born on a given day |
| 17:28.55 | timeless | amusingly |
| 17:29.02 | edheldil | timeless: hmm, we have st. similar, but it 6 digits for date, 3 for personal number and 1 digit for checksum |
| 17:29.24 | timeless | one could probably break the finnish system by having 1000 foreigners apply for work permits |
| 17:29.32 | timeless | (as long as they had the same birthdate) |
| 17:29.48 | timeless | (actually the number would be smaller, since native borns count against the limit) |
| 17:30.04 | SpeedEvil | timeless: Also by impregnating 70000 or so finnish girls. |
| 17:30.05 | edheldil | and it also contains sex encoded in month number |
| 17:30.05 | timeless | wonders what the system would do |
| 17:30.32 | SpeedEvil | Though doing them all in one day may be tiring. |
| 17:30.35 | timeless | SpeedEvil: that would take too long :) |
| 17:30.44 | timeless | and be moderately expensive |
| 17:30.56 | timeless | the general cost of breaking the system by using live people would be cheaper :) |
| 17:31.05 | timeless | hunts lunch |
| 17:31.28 | SpeedEvil | is baking chicken. |
| 17:31.52 | edheldil | hopes lunch will not hunt timeless instead |
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| 17:39.43 | fredddd | Robot101, besides SMTP 25, it would operate at 587? Postfix? |
| 17:39.59 | fredddd | My ISP blocks all incoming below 1024 and outgoing on 25. =/ |
| 17:41.58 | Robot101 | fredddd: in postfix/master.cf there should be a line for "submission" which is basically SMTP on a different port |
| 17:42.12 | Robot101 | fredddd: if that's there and uncommented, postfix will already be working on port 587 |
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| 17:43.01 | fredddd | Uncommented it, restarting, testing. |
| 17:43.05 | fredddd | Hoping for the best. >.< |
| 17:49.28 | fredddd | SMTP authentication failure. x.x |
| 17:53.01 | fredddd | Jan 9 18:52:13 acantha postfix/smtpd[1765]: setting up TLS connection from d54$ |
| 17:53.01 | fredddd | Jan 9 18:52:14 acantha postfix/smtpd[1765]: Anonymous TLS connection establish$ |
| 17:53.02 | fredddd | (then a disconnect) |
| 17:53.09 | fredddd | Do you think SSL error might be causing this? =/ |
| 17:54.34 | fledermaus | can you crank up the logging on postfix? |
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| 18:27.28 | timeless | oh, sorry, someone was right, there's a check digit |
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| 18:51.42 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/09/phone_maker_punts_aa_powered_blower/ |
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| 18:53.54 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/09/apple_power_adapter_password_recovery/ <-- gee because ya know I want my power adapter to store my passwords... |
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| 19:45.07 | timeless | ruskie: err |
| 19:45.15 | timeless | the idea is you have 2 power adapters |
| 19:45.20 | timeless | the one you leave at home/work |
| 19:45.28 | timeless | and the one you take with you when you travel |
| 19:45.36 | timeless | the one at home/work is your emergency key |
| 19:45.39 | timeless | and is in a locked space |
| 19:45.58 | timeless | the one you take with you while traveling is just a normal unhelpful power adapter |
| 19:46.09 | timeless | it's really not a bad idea |
| 19:46.16 | timeless | when i got an MBP @Nokia, i got 2 adapters |
| 19:46.17 | ruskie | I already see this going bad in so many ways |
| 19:46.45 | timeless | the easiest way to go bad is if you somehow manage to confuse the normal one with the special one |
| 19:46.46 | ruskie | users will take a random one |
| 19:46.48 | ruskie | and not even care |
| 19:46.58 | timeless | but that's solvable |
| 19:47.16 | timeless | the adapter could have an (led backed) icon indicating it has passwords |
| 19:47.18 | ruskie | like the don't write down your passwords but change theme every 90 days solution? |
| 19:47.25 | timeless | no |
| 19:47.28 | timeless | that's terrible |
| 19:47.31 | rm_work | i'd lose it T_T |
| 19:47.40 | timeless | i can't remember something i don't use for >10 days |
| 19:47.50 | timeless | whenever i need to check my "ePost.ca" account |
| 19:47.53 | timeless | i reset the password |
| 19:47.59 | timeless | is that secure? |
| 19:48.04 | timeless | heck no |
| 19:48.08 | timeless | do i have a choice? |
| 19:48.09 | timeless | no |
| 19:48.25 | timeless | why not? because the a** behind the site block password storing |
| 19:48.26 | ruskie | epost.ca... is that like a snail mail -> digital service? |
| 19:48.35 | timeless | kinda |
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| 19:48.43 | timeless | there's no snail involved |
| 19:48.47 | ruskie | hehe |
| 19:48.49 | timeless | just the snail vendor and an evault |
| 19:49.02 | timeless | it saves on dead trees |
| 19:49.21 | timeless | it's not a bad theory, just a horrid implementation |
| 19:49.26 | timeless | doesn't support mobile devices |
| 19:49.33 | timeless | doesn't support arbitrary web browsers |
| 19:49.39 | timeless | doesn't allow password storing |
| 19:49.50 | timeless | doesn't allow easy storing of remote content |
| 19:49.54 | ruskie | well considering that trees for paper are purpose grown I don't really see much of a problem ;) |
| 19:49.57 | timeless | doesn't allow easy printing of remote content |
| 19:49.58 | ruskie | but ok |
| 19:50.03 | ruskie | went off on a tangent |
| 19:50.33 | timeless | i'm more or less forced by payroll to use these idiots |
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| 19:52.15 | timeless | to be fair |
| 19:52.19 | timeless | there are worse systems |
| 19:52.23 | ruskie | hehe |
| 19:52.26 | timeless | my finnish bank for instance |
| 19:52.36 | ruskie | we just switched to google apps for business at work |
| 19:52.41 | timeless | to communicate with them securely, i need to log into their web site |
| 19:52.48 | ruskie | I'm happy we're getting rid of the pop3 crud we had so far |
| 19:52.48 | timeless | which requires a number from a plastic card |
| 19:53.08 | timeless | if i take out that card in public, anyone w/ a camera can record all the numbers on the side of the card i'm using |
| 19:53.11 | ruskie | but then I cried when my manager asks me... can I use POP3? |
| 19:53.17 | ruskie | hehe |
| 19:53.27 | timeless | this is obviously "secure" |
| 19:53.34 | ruskie | fun |
| 19:53.35 | timeless | because it's something that only I have |
| 19:53.43 | timeless | me, and anyone who ever sees me use it... |
| 19:53.52 | timeless | and any mounted camera whereever i am... |
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| 19:54.09 | timeless | and after i run out of numbers, i have to have a replacement mailed to me at a Finnish address |
| 19:54.18 | timeless | they don't ship out of the country, because that wouldn't be "secure" |
| 19:54.25 | timeless | and no, you can't stock up on cards |
| 19:54.28 | timeless | that wouldn't be "secure" |
| 19:54.55 | ruskie | that's why the only stuff I ever do with mobile banking is transfering money between known accounts... anything that isn't known requires a OTP made up of 2 chars from an 8 char password they sent me |
| 19:55.00 | timeless | oh, i don't think they send you an email indicating that you have "secure email" |
| 19:55.04 | timeless | so i think you have to poll them |
| 19:55.25 | timeless | see above for how expensive that is... |
| 19:55.41 | timeless | at least w/ epost, i can cost them money each time i need to use their stupid service |
| 19:55.52 | ruskie | how come? |
| 19:55.53 | timeless | (call +1800 == free for me, costs for them) |
| 19:56.00 | timeless | (... to reset my password) |
| 19:56.04 | ruskie | ahh |
| 19:56.05 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 21:39.42 | merlin1991 | you can't exepect an irc channel to be full of life 24/7 |
| 21:40.11 | philheaton | I don't. Was just commenting. |
| 21:40.46 | freemangordon | merlin1991, any development with MohammadAG's case? |
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