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| 09:56.13 | FIQ | so I have the uboot bootloader, and an uImage in /boot on my mmc... now I just need to figure out how to use it |
| 09:56.32 | FIQ | wasn't as trivial as a "run mmcboot" from the uboot prompt anyway D: |
| 09:56.47 | FIQ | anyone willing to help, or do I need to figure it out by myself? |
| 10:02.01 | r00t|home | nobody awake, and not something can help with, sorry |
| 10:02.23 | r00t|home | consider that it's middle of the night in the us |
| 10:03.06 | FIQ | heh, ok |
| 10:10.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | depends on your uBoot(-config) |
| 10:16.21 | FIQ | atm the u-boot is in its' vanilla state (the state provided by uboot-pr13). I have an uImage on /boot @ MMC (/dev/mmcblk1p1). I'm reading up on how u-boot works at the moment, but it seems pretty lowlevel |
| 10:17.31 | FIQ | (i.e. a bit hard for me to understand) |
| 10:18.26 | FIQ | the MMC is formatted as an ext3 partition |
| 10:23.37 | burr | i cant boot debian to save my life |
| 10:23.58 | burr | i get silly errors like /dev/mmcblk0p1: unable to mount root fs. list of fs... /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 10:24.05 | burr | with the 2.6.37 in rescueOS and root=/dev/mmcblk0pp1 |
| 10:24.15 | burr | and u-boot errors are even worse and sooner |
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| 10:24.37 | burr | 2 years ago i booted debian with absolutely no hassles using bootmenu |
| 10:24.39 | burr | now that is broken too |
| 10:24.41 | trist4n | this is a ridiculous question, but i am stuck. do you think i could use my n900 as a boot medium to install windows. |
| 10:24.45 | trist4n | i have literally no other storage. |
| 10:24.56 | burr | as usb-storage i think so |
| 10:25.08 | trist4n | im not sure how i should partition this really |
| 10:25.28 | burr | its 1000x easier to put Paludis, Portage, Pacman, or debootstrap on a USB storage and install linux |
| 10:25.36 | FIQ | does it fit? |
| 10:25.42 | trist4n | its only a 3.2gb iso |
| 10:25.44 | FIQ | @ trist4n |
| 10:25.47 | FIQ | ah |
| 10:26.02 | FIQ | should work then... allbeit slow |
| 10:26.04 | trist4n | could i uh |
| 10:26.06 | trist4n | hm |
| 10:26.11 | FIQ | i guess |
| 10:26.12 | trist4n | use my /home/user/MyDocs partition |
| 10:26.15 | trist4n | and just restore it later |
| 10:26.55 | burr | all sorts of MBR / NTLDR / bootmgr voodoo has to be exactly correct |
| 10:26.55 | trist4n | its that or install windows 7 over tftp and a crossover cable, maybe that would be better. |
| 10:27.00 | burr | even down to arbitrary start offsets of partitions etc |
| 10:27.07 | burr | theres windows utilities that set up USB storage to boot windows |
| 10:27.11 | burr | and a few shell scripts |
| 10:27.15 | burr | i really wouldnt bother unless you find one of those utils |
| 10:27.31 | trist4n | mmm. |
| 10:27.39 | trist4n | maybe the tftp would be the way to go |
| 10:27.55 | burr | BartPE or so |
| 10:28.05 | burr | and then moutn your install media over samba |
| 10:28.13 | burr | that works, if you acn get bartpe booting from n900's mass-storage |
| 10:28.21 | burr | only needs 256mb or so |
| 10:28.52 | trist4n | yeah thats the million dollar question ey. |
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| 10:29.01 | trist4n | hmm i might have an old usnb that would fit bartpe on it |
| 10:29.04 | burr | ive only ever installed windows off USB-storage |
| 10:29.06 | burr | its a pita, but doable |
| 10:29.15 | trist4n | yeah ive had to do it before as well |
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| 10:29.17 | burr | one time i had to 'recovery shell' XCOPY the install files to HD from USB |
| 10:29.24 | burr | cuz it was too dumb to see the HD when USB was plugged in |
| 10:29.24 | trist4n | on holidays trying to setup someones netbook, unfortunately i dont have a usb that can hold it |
| 10:30.51 | burr | FIQ: which u-boot do you have? http://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot hopefully |
| 10:31.04 | burr | ive gotten the furthest with that one, but still errors once kernel is going heh |
| 10:31.15 | burr | complicating this is initfs!=initrd i think |
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| 10:31.28 | burr | all this one-off crap... NOLO.. FIASCO |
| 10:32.08 | burr | add in a bzip2'd squashfs on a ramdisk and blahblah.. why is it not simple like installing linux on x86 heh |
| 10:32.24 | burr | im about to just give up and go buy an ANdroid device |
| 10:32.36 | burr | maemo keeps shitting itself.. |
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| 10:33.21 | burr | even after fresh reflash, apps will start losing their settings after a while etc. im wondering if maybe ive got bad flash blocks |
| 10:33.50 | burr | i mean, its ext2 not jffs2 but i guess the hw has block-masking, if its any decent (perhaps why its so slow?) |
| 10:35.22 | burr | im crazy enough to have written my own email-client, news-aggregator, spreadsheet/log slicing-dicing tools etc, but the reality is theyre haskell & ruby code with a browser UI, and at least the ruby part runs perfectly on iOS |
| 10:35.30 | burr | so theres really no reason to be a slave to this abandoned stuff anymore |
| 10:36.03 | burr | so.. yeah. nokia device.. never again |
| 10:36.04 | burr | cya |
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| 10:47.07 | FIQ | hmm, fun |
| 10:48.16 | FIQ | seems I want mmcinit; ext3load mmc 0:1 0x800000 /boot/uImage (the 0x800000 might be able to be something else) |
| 10:48.30 | FIQ | the only problem: 'mmcinit' not found, try 'help' |
| 10:48.48 | FIQ | (the same with ext3load, but there's ext2load) |
| 10:50.27 | FIQ | if I ignore mmcboot and use ext2load, it ends up outputting "Bad partition 0:1" (and i know it's fully functional) |
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| 10:57.41 | vallhalla | Good day all |
| 10:59.36 | kerio | burr: :( |
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| 12:29.04 | fredddd | I am having an SSL error issue with Jabber inside Maemo. |
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| 12:29.34 | fredddd | I have setup my own ejabberd server with a valid certificate from a trusted authority. On my desktop client Gajim, everything goes fine, and it connects without any SSL warning (or having any option ticked to ignore them). |
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| 12:29.45 | fredddd | While on Maemo Jabber, I can not connect unless I keep "ignore SSL errors" ticked. =/ |
| 12:30.02 | fredddd | Would anyone be able to help me with this? |
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| 12:33.03 | chem|st | fredddd: you might need to install the servers certificate to get it working that way |
| 12:33.27 | fredddd | Hm, but they should be in the certificate repository, no? |
| 12:33.36 | chem|st | who |
| 12:34.00 | chem|st | self signed certs without signed root cert is common |
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| 12:34.50 | fredddd | It is not self signed. |
| 12:34.56 | fredddd | It is a COMODO certificate. |
| 12:35.03 | fredddd | I did not create it myself, I got it from a trusted certificate authority, I was hoping Maemo would pick up on those. |
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| 12:36.21 | fredddd | If I figure out the openssl command to test the connection, I could indicate if it is a mistake on my side or if it is a software fault. |
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| 12:41.28 | fredddd | At first sight, it seems to be a mistake on my side. |
| 12:41.32 | fredddd | Will fix and report how it went. |
| 12:52.53 | fredddd | chem|st, I am not sure. |
| 12:53.02 | fredddd | CONNECTED(00000003) |
| 12:53.02 | fredddd | 2135:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_clnt.c:607: |
| 12:53.12 | fredddd | My desktop client connects without issues, no SSL error or warning. |
| 12:53.42 | fredddd | Looking up what that SSL error means with ejabberd, it seemed like software incompatibility with OpenSSL or something, not sure, I think I am a bit too much of a newbie to conclude. D: |
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| 12:55.10 | hhartz | has anyone experienced processes still being alive after closing in recents view on N9? |
| 12:56.48 | fredddd | Wait, what? |
| 12:56.55 | fredddd | Are you asking for N9 help in here? D: |
| 12:58.31 | hhartz | hehe, faux pas |
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| 13:56.21 | bindi | hey |
| 13:56.40 | bindi | i took my n900 to nokia care - they were hesitant to take it in.. and said that they don't cover the white spots that many people do |
| 13:57.09 | bindi | "no official notice about white spots and replacing/fixing units has been given" or something |
| 13:57.18 | bindi | after 10 mins they took it in and promised to replace the screen |
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| 14:03.57 | edheldil | bindi: what white spots? I have noticeable lighter spots on display when it's white, but they're not not obtrusive enough to do anything about it |
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| 14:09.46 | Sicelo | ~otoh |
| 14:09.46 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
| 14:10.03 | Sicelo | -yafa |
| 14:10.12 | Sicelo | ~yafa |
| 14:10.12 | infobot | i guess yafa is Yet Another Freakin Acronym. |
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| 14:14.44 | bindi | edheldil: those exactly |
| 14:14.48 | bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=956232&postcount=171 |
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| 14:20.13 | Raimu | Nokia Care would probably just give you a new cellphone from a different line if the white specks (that I also have) were an issue, anyway. |
| 14:21.45 | bindi | right well |
| 14:21.49 | bindi | it is an issue :P |
| 14:21.54 | bindi | your phone isnt supposed to have white spots on the screen |
| 14:23.08 | bindi | "I had the dual bright spots. Nokia Care Point replaced the whole unit." |
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| 14:27.10 | jani | bindi: lucky sob.. i took mine for repairs got e7 back =) |
| 14:27.34 | bindi | i asked them am i to expect a repaired n900 or an e7 |
| 14:27.46 | bindi | they said they'll replace the screen, which will take time |
| 14:27.52 | bindi | and apparently, the spots will just come back |
| 14:27.56 | bindi | so i'll take it back as soon as that happens |
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| 14:30.13 | bindi | jani: do you happen to have a receipt for that operation? :P |
| 14:30.34 | bindi | she really didnt believe that many n900s have this problem and insisted that it's water damage |
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| 16:29.55 | mueddib | hello |
| 16:30.18 | penguinbait | howdy |
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| 16:45.39 | netadmin | sorry, I have a question |
| 16:45.55 | netadmin | where is the maemo flasher 3.5 debian installed package? |
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| 16:55.13 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/05/nokia-will-sell-crown-jewels-to-microsoft/ |
| 16:57.00 | beford | !flash |
| 16:57.03 | beford | ~flash |
| 16:57.03 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:58.20 | merlin1991 | netadmin: in case you heaven't found it already: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 16:58.33 | netadmin | merlin1991, thank you I installed |
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| 17:07.13 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 17:07.16 | fredddd | Does anyone know if it is possible to properly connect with Maemo's Jabber with no SSL errors through STARTTLS? |
| 17:07.25 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 17:07.34 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 117 messages. Is idling for 3h 45m 26s, last said: 'lunch, brb'. |
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| 17:07.44 | fredddd | I have setup my own ejabberd server with a valid certificate, and I can not connect to it through Maemo's default Jabber client without having "Ignore SSL Errors" ticked. |
| 17:09.08 | freemangordon | Pali, this lunch reminds me of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. I wish it was funny. |
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| 17:09.37 | netadmin | sorry, I have a question |
| 17:09.58 | netadmin | How can I root maemo 5? |
| 17:10.04 | netadmin | I using Nokia N900 |
| 17:10.08 | fredddd | There is an application for it in the repository I believe. |
| 17:10.13 | fredddd | To enable it. |
| 17:10.23 | fredddd | The Maemo wiki has a page on it as well, I think. |
| 17:10.24 | netadmin | what is application name? |
| 17:10.29 | netadmin | okay I checked |
| 17:10.38 | fredddd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 17:10.42 | freemangordon | rootsh |
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| 17:15.05 | edheldil | fredddd: I think I have the same problem. Could it be due to an unknown CA? |
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| 17:17.39 | fredddd | edheldil, the certificate is fine, generated by a trusted authority. |
| 17:17.44 | netadmin | fredddd, ok thanks I installed |
| 17:17.45 | netadmin | :) |
| 17:17.47 | fredddd | The certificate is also running at http://expressionate.org |
| 17:18.06 | fredddd | Visiting the website on Maemo browser gives no sign of an invalid certificate either. |
| 17:18.22 | fredddd | I think Maemo's Jabber is incompatible with XMPP STARTTLS wise. |
| 17:18.39 | fredddd | I enabled the old SSL method at port 5223 and verified with OpenSSL and there were no errors. |
| 17:18.51 | Robot101 | ?! no, starttls works fine |
| 17:18.54 | fredddd | So I am considering everything is fine on my side, as Gajim (desktop client) connects fine without any SSL errors. |
| 17:19.01 | fredddd | On Maemo's Jabber client? |
| 17:19.08 | Robot101 | yes |
| 17:19.17 | fredddd | Robot101, can you connect with Jabber to your XMPP network, having "Ignore SSL errors" unticked? |
| 17:19.22 | fredddd | I can connect as long as that is ticked. |
| 17:19.48 | edheldil | do you have 'old certificate' ticket? No idea what's that |
| 17:19.53 | edheldil | ticked |
| 17:20.08 | fredddd | What do you mean? |
| 17:20.20 | fredddd | Old certificate ticked? |
| 17:23.12 | edheldil | There are checkboxes for 'Require encryption', 'Use old SSL cert', 'Ignore SSL cert errors' ... |
| 17:24.15 | Robot101 | fredddd: does your certificate belong to expressionate.org or xmpp.expressionate.org? |
| 17:24.25 | Robot101 | openssl s_client is being a dick so I can't check atm |
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| 17:30.03 | fredddd | Robot101, all of them. |
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| 17:30.08 | fredddd | The certificate covers all subdomains. |
| 17:30.35 | Robot101 | does it cover expressionate.org itself though? |
| 17:30.41 | fredddd | Yes. |
| 17:30.51 | fredddd | The initial domain and the sub domains, one certificate for everything. |
| 17:33.30 | edheldil | well, the short name is in SubjAltName, though - maybe Maemo's jabber is stupid? |
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| 17:34.11 | Robot101 | I can't remember which version of telepathy is running on the N900 |
| 17:34.16 | fredddd | x.x |
| 17:34.20 | Robot101 | dpkg -l telepathy-gabble ? |
| 17:34.30 | fredddd | Apparently an out-dated noe. |
| 17:34.35 | fredddd | one* |
| 17:34.46 | fredddd | I do not believe a lot gets updated on Maemo. |
| 17:34.49 | Robot101 | well obviously it's old, but I want to look at the corresponding source :) |
| 17:34.55 | fredddd | I have only seen libraries get updated with CSSU, really. =/ |
| 17:35.47 | fredddd | It seems to have broken at PR1.2, having people to click Ignore SSL Errors, when trying to look for a solution myself online. |
| 17:36.26 | Robot101 | really? hrm |
| 17:36.28 | Robot101 | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/telepathy/telepathy-gabble/log/?h=telepathy-gabble-0.8 |
| 17:36.34 | Robot101 | the 0.8 branch was for Maemo |
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| 17:41.38 | netadmin | maemo updated 2011.38-1 |
| 17:41.58 | Robot101 | fredddd: hrm, the SSL code is inside loudmouth on the N900 |
| 17:44.10 | Robot101 | er how do you get the actual source? |
| 17:44.19 | Robot101 | I'm going round in circles on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/libloudmouth1-0/1.4.1-0osso10+0m5/ |
| 17:45.08 | edheldil | package source? apt-get source or st. like that |
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| 17:45.36 | Robot101 | yeah I've not had any working scratchbox configured for maemo for years |
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| 17:56.51 | fredddd | Robot101, keep me updated with your progress and findings. |
| 17:57.11 | Robot101 | I've kinda stalled |
| 17:57.20 | Robot101 | I wanted to find the maemo patches to loudmouth which add OpenSSL support |
| 17:57.40 | Robot101 | that code is maemo-specific and untested outside of maemo, even though the XMPP stack is widely used elsewhere |
| 17:58.04 | Robot101 | it's entirely possible that just doesn't test SubjAltName |
| 17:58.16 | Robot101 | either a bug in that lm+OpenSSL code or a bug in Maemo's OpenSSL patches |
| 17:59.10 | merlin1991 | Robot101: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/loudmouth/1.4.1-0osso10+0m5/ |
| 17:59.18 | merlin1991 | there's your source |
| 17:59.26 | edheldil | pm me if you find st. interesting. Bye ... |
| 17:59.52 | merlin1991 | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/l/loudmouth/ |
| 18:00.42 | Robot101 | yeah so just inspecting trivially, it only gets the common name there |
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| 18:02.38 | Robot101 | so that's why it doesn't work |
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| 18:03.06 | Robot101 | if you override the server name, put manually, xmpp.expressionate.org, then it won't do a SRV lookup, but the certificate should match |
| 18:03.12 | Robot101 | that's my best guess at a workaround |
| 18:03.14 | Robot101 | sorry :/ |
| 18:04.01 | netadmin | I don't installed rootsh :( |
| 18:04.43 | Robot101 | fredddd: ^^ |
| 18:04.51 | Robot101 | edheldil: do you also have a cert with SubjAltName |
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| 18:06.37 | netadmin | enable rd mode if you want to break your device |
| 18:06.43 | netadmin | what is RD mode enabled? |
| 18:10.23 | merlin1991 | you can use flasher to enable R&D mode |
| 18:11.01 | fredddd | Robot101, going to try. |
| 18:11.13 | fredddd | But it would be weird, as the certificate applies for *.expressionate.org (thus anything, and nothing, too, normally). |
| 18:11.16 | NIN101 | somebody who asks what R&D mode is shouldn't enable it few minutes after he asked that question. |
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| 18:11.31 | Robot101 | fredddd: yes, so xmpp.expressionate.org should match it |
| 18:11.34 | merlin1991 | NIN101: agreed :D |
| 18:11.34 | NIN101 | but http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode |
| 18:11.37 | fredddd | xmpp.expressionate.org is nothing but a CNAME to the A / AAAA record acantha.expressionate.org (the actual server). |
| 18:11.47 | Robot101 | *.foo doesn't match foo in these contexts |
| 18:12.20 | fredddd | And the SRV records for XMPP client and server point to xmpp.expressionate.org, is this why? |
| 18:12.36 | Robot101 | actually I didn't quite stay to understand the code but you can read it fairly easily in lm-ssl-openssl.c |
| 18:12.54 | fredddd | crosses fingers |
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| 18:17.48 | Robot101 | maybe this wildcard code is just broken |
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| 18:27.01 | netadmin | hey, maemo extras repository is not running? |
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| 18:29.34 | fredddd | Robot101, no luck setting xmpp.expressionate.org. |
| 18:29.54 | fredddd | It would be helpful if I could look up the SSL error that is actually blocking it from connecting. |
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| 18:43.10 | merlin1991 | netadmin: it is running |
| 18:43.17 | netadmin | fredddd, I installed openssh-client and openssh-server |
| 18:43.35 | netadmin | merlin1991, yes I running! but i install openssh-client and openssh-server |
| 18:43.53 | netadmin | my ip adresses is 172.16.1.2 nokia n900 ip 172.16.1.9 |
| 18:44.01 | netadmin | I'm not ping nokia n900 |
| 18:44.05 | netadmin | what is problem? you think? |
| 18:44.50 | fredddd | What do you mean? |
| 18:44.58 | netadmin | I'm not connect to ssh. |
| 18:45.13 | fredddd | Oh I thought this was related to the Maemo's Jabber SSL error thing. |
| 18:45.17 | netadmin | fredddd, I installed openssh-client and server on the Maemo (N900) |
| 18:45.26 | fredddd | Ah. |
| 18:45.39 | netadmin | I using laptop, my laptop ip is 172.16.1.2 |
| 18:45.44 | netadmin | n900 ip is 172.16.1.9 |
| 18:45.55 | netadmin | I'm not ping n900 and not connect to ssh :( |
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| 18:46.21 | netadmin | what is your using tablet model? |
| 18:46.30 | fredddd | You can open the terminal and do things in there. |
| 18:46.31 | netadmin | do you connect to tablet on the ssh ports? |
| 18:46.38 | fredddd | Unless you prefer to do mobile phone operations from your desktop. |
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| 18:46.41 | fredddd | I do not SSH at all. |
| 18:46.43 | fredddd | To my phone. |
| 18:46.48 | netadmin | ok |
| 18:46.56 | fredddd | I have little need for advanced terminal operations on my N900. |
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| 18:47.11 | fredddd | I just use it for XMPP, email, calendar, contacts and considering RSS if I can make it pleasant. |
| 18:47.53 | netadmin | fredddd, okay I understand but why not connect to ssh n900? |
| 18:48.12 | Sicelo | netadmin: u use wifi or what? |
| 18:48.23 | netadmin | Sicelo, yes I using Wifi |
| 18:48.27 | netadmin | N900 connect wifi |
| 18:48.31 | netadmin | my laptop connect ewifi |
| 18:48.50 | netadmin | both of which received ip address, not problem |
| 18:48.57 | fredddd | My nommy N900 desktop: http://ompldr.org/vYjU2Yg/fredwp-rawr-mobile-device.png |
| 18:49.03 | Sicelo | u have an access point or using Ad-Hoc? |
| 18:49.18 | fredddd | netadmin, no need for it. |
| 18:49.28 | fredddd | If I want to SSH to anything I will SSH to my servers. =p |
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| 18:50.27 | netadmin | Sicelo, hm my modem is ad-hoc :) |
| 18:50.53 | Sicelo | modem? :P |
| 18:51.19 | netadmin | N900 and my laptop connect to wifi modem :) wifi modem serve DHCP |
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| 18:51.28 | netadmin | yes internet modem + router |
| 18:51.42 | netadmin | modem ip add is 172.16.1.1 |
| 18:51.54 | Sicelo | anyway, paste 'ifconfig wlan0' from n900 . and also from your laptop |
| 18:52.03 | Sicelo | don't paste here btw :) |
| 18:52.38 | netadmin | I ping modem |
| 18:52.39 | netadmin | # ping 172.16.1.1 |
| 18:52.39 | netadmin | PING 172.16.1.1 (172.16.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:52.39 | netadmin | 64 bytes from 172.16.1.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=2.38 ms |
| 18:52.41 | netadmin | 64 bytes from 172.16.1.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=1.81 ms |
| 18:52.54 | netadmin | yes yes I checked |
| 18:52.56 | netadmin | wait |
| 18:53.19 | Sicelo | u were pinging from n900? |
| 18:53.26 | netadmin | this is my laptop: |
| 18:53.27 | netadmin | # ifconfig wlan0 |
| 18:53.27 | netadmin | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:22:5f:1d:de:0e |
| 18:53.27 | netadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.52 | netadmin | and |
| 18:53.57 | netadmin | this is N900 |
| 18:53.58 | netadmin | # ifconfig wlan0 |
| 18:53.58 | netadmin | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:22:5f:1d:de:0e |
| 18:53.58 | netadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.37 | netadmin | N900 not pinging 172.16.1.1 :( |
| 18:54.43 | netadmin | ah no |
| 18:54.45 | netadmin | pinging! |
| 18:54.51 | fredddd | Robot101, any luck with SSL or did you give up? :3 |
| 18:55.03 | Sicelo | lol netadmin |
| 18:55.07 | fredddd | The xmpp.expressionate.org server pointing did not work, even rebooted my device in attempt for it to automatically work after reboot, it did not. |
| 18:55.40 | netadmin | Sicelo, N900 pinging modem (172.16.1.1) and not ping my laptop (172.16.1.10) |
| 18:56.08 | netadmin | I checked modem? |
| 18:56.36 | netadmin | # ping 172.16.1.9 |
| 18:56.36 | netadmin | PING 172.16.1.9 (172.16.1.9) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:56.36 | netadmin | From 172.16.1.10 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 18:56.36 | netadmin | From 172.16.1.10 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 18:57.11 | netadmin | my laptop not ping N900, I dislike :( |
| 18:57.29 | Sicelo | netadmin: dont paste this stuff here. Please |
| 18:57.44 | netadmin | ah okay, sorry I using pastebin. sorry: |
| 18:58.03 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 18:58.58 | Sicelo | so, n900 pings your 'modem', laptop pings 'modem', but they can't ping one another, right? |
| 19:00.12 | netadmin | yes |
| 19:00.28 | netadmin | n900 not ping laptop and laptop not ping n900 :( |
| 19:00.50 | netadmin | and I not ssh connection laptop -> n900 |
| 19:01.02 | OkropNick | netadmin: the same MAC address on both machines? |
| 19:01.29 | netadmin | OkropNick, I checked and no. |
| 19:01.43 | netadmin | I checked arp tables |
| 19:02.10 | netadmin | ah |
| 19:02.23 | netadmin | this is problem: |
| 19:02.23 | netadmin | # arp -a | grep 9 |
| 19:02.23 | netadmin | ? (172.16.3.9) at <incomplete> on wlan0 |
| 19:02.39 | netadmin | MAC is incomplete hmm |
| 19:03.13 | Sicelo | how did u bring up N900 wifi? |
| 19:03.25 | netadmin | Maemo not support "arp" command? |
| 19:03.36 | OkropNick | I'm not good in net configuration, but it was just strange for me |
| 19:04.00 | Sicelo | me too OkropNick :) |
| 19:04.01 | netadmin | N900 connected Wifi and connect internet :) |
| 19:04.30 | netadmin | not problem I addedd extras repos install rootsh, openssh client and server package. |
| 19:04.32 | netadmin | I checked |
| 19:04.45 | netadmin | wait thanks for all help friend, good night. |
| 19:04.56 | Sicelo | lol |
| 19:05.37 | netadmin | Settings -> Internet Connections |
| 19:05.52 | netadmin | connect wi-fi search interval never |
| 19:06.21 | netadmin | Maemo don't support arp command? |
| 19:06.25 | Sicelo | netadmin: i suspect your modem configuration. |
| 19:06.40 | Sicelo | yes.. no arp by default |
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| 19:07.11 | netadmin | arp package have to extras repos? |
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| 19:07.46 | Sicelo | i don't see it there either, nor in devel :/ |
| 19:07.51 | netadmin | Sicelo, okay I checked modem but N900 not send MAC adresses using "ARP" protocols. |
| 19:09.08 | netadmin | Sicelo, do you using N900? |
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| 19:09.47 | Sicelo | yes |
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| 19:10.04 | netadmin | ok using computer/laptop? :) |
| 19:10.08 | MrOpposite | hi |
| 19:10.17 | netadmin | do you connect ssh N900 Sicelo? |
| 19:10.25 | netadmin | MrOpposite, hello, good night: |
| 19:10.40 | MrOpposite | I made a mistake when toying around with multiboot, I installed a new kernel, and forgot to edit my .item file |
| 19:10.48 | Sicelo | yup netadmin. i do that at time |
| 19:11.04 | MrOpposite | so now my n900 doesn't boot due to "Can't flash kernel" |
| 19:11.15 | MrOpposite | How do I bypass multiboot? |
| 19:11.33 | Sicelo | netadmin: sometimes issue can be WLAN Power Saving.. switch that off for now.. until your connection works |
| 19:11.33 | MrOpposite | or atleast gain access to the .item-file so I can change it |
| 19:11.36 | netadmin | Sicelo, please run arp -a command laptop and computer? |
| 19:12.00 | netadmin | please connect ssh computer-> N900 and run arp -a command computer? |
| 19:12.14 | netadmin | where is the wlan power saving menu? I checked |
| 19:12.15 | Sicelo | MrOpposite: multiboot is fsckd |
| 19:12.42 | netadmin | Sicelo, your N900 "designed in finland"? |
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| 19:13.57 | Sicelo | netadmin: all N900 are |
| 19:14.36 | netadmin | hmm, "made in korean"? :) |
| 19:14.49 | netadmin | false news? |
| 19:15.02 | Sicelo | there are fakes |
| 19:15.09 | netadmin | ok I understand |
| 19:15.15 | netadmin | do you connect ssh N900? |
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| 19:16.21 | netadmin | # arp |
| 19:16.22 | netadmin | Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface |
| 19:16.22 | netadmin | 172.16.1.1 ether 00:22:65:51:37:27 C wlan0 |
| 19:16.22 | netadmin | 172.16.1.9 (incomplete) wlan0 |
| 19:16.40 | netadmin | this is problem: N900 not send MAC adress my laptop, N900 not support ARP? |
| 19:16.44 | netadmin | I checked windows, wait. |
| 19:20.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang this battery indicator is pure crap |
| 19:20.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | when it gets red, there's no area left to see the red |
| 19:21.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | and no decent info in menu either |
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| 19:31.14 | Robot101 | fredddd: I didn't look any more - I think that wildcard support in the SSL thing is just broken :/ |
| 19:33.53 | fredddd | So it is an issue in the client Maemo users? |
| 19:34.03 | fredddd | And there is most likely no way for somebody to fix and submit a patch? |
| 19:34.06 | fredddd | Guessing the state of Maemo. |
| 19:34.45 | Sicelo | prolly CSSU :/ |
| 19:34.51 | Robot101 | well CSSU can take a patch to it |
| 19:34.54 | netadmin | Sicelo, no I don't ssh connection to N900 :( |
| 19:34.54 | Robot101 | it's loudmouth I think |
| 19:35.01 | fredddd | I have yet to see an application to be truly patched with CSSU./ |
| 19:35.16 | fredddd | All I have noticed is impressively huge updates, doing nothing but updating some libraries. |
| 19:35.19 | Robot101 | see lm-ssl-openssl.c in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/l/loudmouth/loudmouth_1.4.1-0osso10+0m5.tar.gz |
| 19:35.24 | fredddd | Qt libraries, it was, right? |
| 19:35.27 | Robot101 | something fishy about that name checking |
| 19:35.52 | Robot101 | or you could be more gutsy and just upgrade telepathy a whole bunch - we ripped loudmouth out after the N900 because it's, well, crap :) |
| 19:36.13 | fredddd | I like to stick to repositories, even if that means waiting few weeks for an update. x.x |
| 19:36.55 | fredddd | Is there any other device on the market, having the convenient keyboard and operating system / software, the Nokia N900 has? |
| 19:37.03 | Robot101 | well, afaik there's nobody pushing CSSU to fix anything in particular, if you want to try and push a fix in, you can do it yourself |
| 19:37.04 | fredddd | That is really what I love about the Nokia N900. |
| 19:37.12 | fredddd | The easy and very pleasant software, and the comfortable keyboard. |
| 19:37.28 | fredddd | But the lack of care due to Nokia's ditching of it, ... |
| 19:37.30 | fredddd | Hm. =/ |
| 19:37.56 | fredddd | looks up N900 alternative on a search engine |
| 19:38.12 | Robot101 | nemo mobile might run on the n900 and be more actively developed? |
| 19:38.21 | Robot101 | it's kinda animated corpse of meego :) |
| 19:38.30 | Sicelo | netadmin: delete the connection from N900 and start it afresh |
| 19:38.31 | fredddd | Do not like MeeGo. |
| 19:38.43 | netadmin | Sicelo, okay I tested |
| 19:38.47 | Robot101 | yeah I have no idea why they didn't pick a distro that wasn't dead |
| 19:38.51 | fredddd | It looks aweful if you ask me, and what is it anyway? I love Maemo, they should just fix that up. |
| 19:38.57 | netadmin | and wireless power energy save is "off" |
| 19:39.39 | fredddd | Maemo is so lovely, so is the N900, whenever I bring along my mobile phone somewhere people tell me how lovely it is, how fast they switch from browser, to a chat, in about one second. |
| 19:39.52 | fredddd | I can have ten chat windows open at once, with easy switching. |
| 19:39.59 | fredddd | Video call through XMPP. |
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| 19:40.16 | fredddd | In my eyes, how can MeeGo beat this? Does MeeGo beat this? |
| 19:40.22 | Robot101 | fredddd: people stopped developing the N900 software in 2009, you're not going to suddenly change the past by saying how nice the N900 is :) |
| 19:40.28 | fredddd | I already dislike how MeeGo looks on screenshots I have seen, so why bother going further than giving it a glimpse? |
| 19:40.40 | fredddd | I know, but I am just expressing my concern. |
| 19:40.56 | fredddd | Was just wondering if there is a similar device on the market, by another manufacturer. |
| 19:41.00 | Robot101 | I think the N9 is a beautiful phone actually, it does lack a h/w keyboard though :( |
| 19:41.11 | fredddd | HTC looks like a candidate, but ... yeah. =/ |
| 19:41.22 | fredddd | Hardware keyboard is only way I swing anymore, after Nokia N900. |
| 19:41.23 | Robot101 | and I don't think the N9 it has video calling |
| 19:41.28 | Robot101 | whether that will see the light of day |
| 19:41.32 | fredddd | And Windows Phone, no thank you. |
| 19:41.34 | Robot101 | I also have a HP Pre 3 but it's also a dead OS |
| 19:41.43 | Robot101 | I like collecting dead phone OSes, it's my hobby |
| 19:41.46 | Robot101 | :P |
| 19:42.02 | fredddd | bought a Windows phone in 2007 for a new Windows Mobile to be released shortly after and then seeing how I would not opt in for an upgrade because manufacturer decision. |
| 19:42.48 | fredddd | If there was only an OpenMoko that would not terrible appearance. |
| 19:42.57 | fredddd | have* |
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| 19:46.37 | netadmin | teah |
| 19:46.38 | netadmin | yeah |
| 19:46.50 | netadmin | Sicelo, I pinging and ssh connection now! |
| 19:46.54 | netadmin | thank you very much |
| 19:47.32 | netadmin | :) |
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| 19:49.11 | Sicelo | kewl |
| 19:49.39 | Robot101 | fredddd: did you try old SSL? |
| 19:50.56 | fredddd | No, I disabled it on my server. |
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| 19:56.41 | Robot101 | oh, you could also try manually specifying the server to just your bare domain |
| 19:56.52 | Robot101 | that might work actually |
| 19:57.08 | Robot101 | given that expressionate.org coincidentally resolves to your server :) |
| 19:57.16 | fredddd | Not to my XMPP server. |
| 19:57.18 | fredddd | My web server. |
| 19:57.53 | Robot101 | oh well |
| 19:58.00 | Robot101 | just throw it all in a fire and become a monk |
| 19:58.06 | fredddd | Ignoring the SSL errors. |
| 19:58.13 | fredddd | Means, ignore it and continue the SSL connection? |
| 19:58.21 | fredddd | Or, fail to SSL and resort to plain connection? |
| 19:58.42 | Robot101 | it will connect with encryption, just not barf if anything is wrong (date, CA, hostname, etc) |
| 19:58.49 | fredddd | I see. |
| 19:59.11 | Robot101 | unfortunately that leaves you open to trivial MITM but the data being encrypted stops any passive attacks |
| 19:59.17 | fredddd | Yes, I figured. |
| 19:59.19 | fredddd | Hm. |
| 19:59.19 | fredddd | =/ |
| 20:00.13 | fredddd | Do you consider for me to jump over the old SSL? |
| 20:00.13 | Robot101 | depends how much you care but you could issue a free non-wildcarded cert for your xmpp server from startssl.com |
| 20:00.16 | fredddd | And enable it on my sserver? |
| 20:00.34 | fredddd | Well you know, I paid money for this SSL certificate, and, it would be pleasant. |
| 20:00.40 | fredddd | My desktop XMPP client works just flawlessly. |
| 20:00.53 | Robot101 | from what I can see, the wildcard code is just broken so it won't work unless your servername is a substring of the wildcard domain |
| 20:01.26 | Robot101 | it does if (certificate CN starts with *.) { find server name in certificate CN } |
| 20:01.40 | fredddd | =c |
| 20:01.41 | Robot101 | then if (certificate CN == server name) { carry on OK... } |
| 20:02.08 | fredddd | I am starting to doubt the security within this device and whether I should continue with it in general. |
| 20:02.21 | fredddd | I am contemplating a new purchase, of something better, and supported. |
| 20:02.41 | Robot101 | well... enjoy android or windows mobile or iOS... :/ |
| 20:02.44 | fredddd | I dislike greatly, how every mobile device is looking the same. |
| 20:02.51 | fredddd | Logo on top, screen, four buttons below. |
| 20:02.52 | Robot101 | I don't think any of them will be any more secure |
| 20:03.01 | Robot101 | hey the N9 has no buttons below :) |
| 20:03.24 | fredddd | I visit the N9 website. |
| 20:03.25 | fredddd | Pink N9. |
| 20:03.26 | fredddd | What? |
| 20:03.48 | Robot101 | actually, that puzzles me... why doesn't the server being expressionate.org let the thing connect? |
| 20:04.00 | fredddd | Let what thing connect? |
| 20:04.14 | Robot101 | if it's done a SRV lookup of @expressionate.org to find the XMPP server |
| 20:04.21 | Robot101 | it should be verifying the certificate belongs to expressionate.org |
| 20:04.34 | fredddd | SRV goes to xmpp.expressionate.org. :x |
| 20:04.37 | fredddd | It should obey that. |
| 20:04.47 | Robot101 | no, it should check the certificate for the XMPP domain |
| 20:04.52 | Robot101 | otherwise you are open to DNS attacks |
| 20:04.53 | fredddd | They are both the same. |
| 20:05.12 | Robot101 | well yes, but that's just specific to your site |
| 20:05.15 | fredddd | There is no certificate for the XMPP domain. |
| 20:05.21 | fredddd | There is one certificate, for *.expressionate.org. |
| 20:05.33 | fredddd | Which I use for email, XMPP, website, etc... |
| 20:05.53 | Robot101 | an XMPP client connecting to blob@xmpp.org should do a SRV lookup and find a server. whatever.somewhere-else.org, connect to it, and be given a valid certificate for xmpp.org before sharing the credentials for the blob user. |
| 20:06.21 | Robot101 | if this is checking that whatever.somewhere-else.org has a certificate for whatever.somewhere-else.org (ie, trusting the SRV lookup) then it's doubly broken |
| 20:06.21 | fredddd | Could you explain the DNS attack? :x |
| 20:06.35 | fredddd | Yes. |
| 20:06.45 | fredddd | xmpp.expressionate.org has a certificate for xmpp.expressionate.org. |
| 20:06.54 | Robot101 | yes, that's useless though |
| 20:06.57 | Robot101 | if your DNS resolver is compromised, I can return a SRV result saying talk to evil.server.org |
| 20:07.05 | Robot101 | and I can prove that evil.server.org has a certificate for evil.server.org |
| 20:07.06 | fredddd | Hm, true. |
| 20:07.12 | fredddd | What do you consider a solution? |
| 20:07.13 | Robot101 | but that's not what your client should be caring about |
| 20:07.33 | Robot101 | put a port redirect on 5222 on your web server to your XMPP server? |
| 20:08.02 | Robot101 | that will let you set the server manually to expressionate.org and this stupid broken *. check will match and it should connect |
| 20:08.08 | fredddd | How will this fix the DNS attack issue? |
| 20:08.19 | Robot101 | there won't be a SRV lookup any more |
| 20:08.40 | Robot101 | (putting a manual server stops a SRV lookup being done) |
| 20:08.44 | fredddd | So you are saying those SRV lookups are DNS exploit prone naturally? |
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| 20:09.14 | Robot101 | no, a correctly-behaving client would check that the some.server.org has a certificate for expressionate.org |
| 20:09.18 | fredddd | So. |
| 20:09.25 | fredddd | My best option is to enable the old SSL? x3 |
| 20:09.49 | Robot101 | I don't think the old SSL will fix it either because this code won't accept *.expressionate.org as a certificate for xmpp.expressionate.org |
| 20:10.10 | fredddd | OpenSSL liked everything about the old SSL though. :x |
| 20:10.15 | fredddd | It returned status code 0 upon checking. |
| 20:10.33 | fredddd | Hm. |
| 20:10.39 | fredddd | Is there any alternative XMPP client? x.x |
| 20:10.47 | fredddd | That looks as pretty and integrated as this one? |
| 20:10.59 | Robot101 | no? fix loudmouth, or upgrade telepathy-gabble... |
| 20:11.12 | fredddd | Psi looks damn frigging sexy. |
| 20:11.21 | Robot101 | hahahaha... errr... |
| 20:11.26 | fredddd | http://psi-im.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 20:11.35 | Robot101 | or go and edit inetd.conf on your web server to use netcat and send 5222 to your XMPP server |
| 20:11.45 | fredddd | Never. x.x |
| 20:11.48 | fredddd | Psi, here I come. |
| 20:11.54 | Robot101 | enjoy... |
| 20:12.05 | fredddd | Why would I resort to dirty hacks for unattended software. |
| 20:12.11 | fredddd | Today, this will be an issue, tomorrow, there could be another issue? |
| 20:12.14 | Robot101 | why do I care either way? |
| 20:12.15 | fredddd | More dirty hacks to fix? |
| 20:12.21 | fredddd | I do not like that, I rather resort to supported software. |
| 20:12.25 | Robot101 | do you like the N900 or are you trying to prove a point? to who? |
| 20:12.38 | fredddd | Psi is available for Maemo? |
| 20:12.43 | fredddd | There seems to be a dediciated Maemo client even. |
| 20:12.58 | fredddd | Why do you frown upon me resorting to Psi Maemo? |
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| 20:13.25 | Robot101 | I worked on the Telepathy stack for the past 5-6 years and I'm kinda embarrassed we/Nokia screwed that part of it so much in the N900 :) |
| 20:13.36 | fredddd | Oh I see, so you are to blame. =3 |
| 20:13.45 | Robot101 | not me, but I could name names - not that it helps :P |
| 20:13.45 | fredddd | I did not know you were Nokia. |
| 20:13.46 | fredddd | x3 |
| 20:13.48 | Robot101 | I'm not |
| 20:13.55 | fredddd | So now you are trying to hide the past. |
| 20:13.56 | fredddd | Mh. |
| 20:13.58 | fredddd | x3 |
| 20:13.59 | fredddd | giggles |
| 20:14.11 | Robot101 | truthfully, we wasted too much time working on Loudmouth trying to add XMPP features like STARTTLS, SRV, etc |
| 20:14.26 | Robot101 | but it's a piece of crap - we should've shot it in the head and moved to our own library much sooner |
| 20:14.37 | Robot101 | which we actually did in 2009 but it wasn't mature in time for the N900 |
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| 20:14.44 | Robot101 | it works much better on the N9 ...? :) |
| 20:14.48 | zaccanasta | hi guys |
| 20:14.50 | fredddd | Send me one. =U |
| 20:14.55 | fredddd | N9 has no keyboard, right. |
| 20:14.57 | fredddd | No, thank you. |
| 20:15.03 | fredddd | I would not even want one for free in that case. |
| 20:15.12 | zaccanasta | i have problems with megavideo and n900 |
| 20:15.22 | Robot101 | well given I don't even have scratchbox installed any more, it's pretty hard for me to patch this for you |
| 20:15.36 | Robot101 | I dunno if someone here has the maemo 5 SDK installed and feels generous |
| 20:16.00 | fredddd | If it was not proprietary I would. |
| 20:16.22 | zaccanasta | i installed flash player 10 but nothing |
| 20:16.26 | fredddd | I do not have a GNU/Linux setup devoted to installing proprietary software on. |
| 20:16.58 | Robot101 | er - scratchbox itself is free - it's just some bits in the SDK to support the device which are closed |
| 20:17.18 | fredddd | Hm. |
| 20:17.21 | Robot101 | curiouser and curiouser... |
| 20:17.29 | fredddd | The distribution I use has scratchbox2 available. |
| 20:17.49 | Robot101 | oh, don't even try that. you'll go mad. the SDK and scratchbox are way too interdependent. |
| 20:18.04 | Robot101 | you need to feed the right toolchain version into scratchbox from the outside and bla bla bla |
| 20:18.07 | Robot101 | it's all a bit insane |
| 20:18.14 | fredddd | So you developed the Nokia N900? |
| 20:19.19 | fredddd | I demand answers. |
| 20:21.16 | fredddd | Where were you when those business managers deserved a good smack in their face for ditching Maemo!? >:L |
| 20:21.20 | fredddd | Or were you that guy. |
| 20:21.20 | fredddd | If so. |
| 20:21.22 | fredddd | smacks |
| 20:21.37 | fredddd | If not, I take back my smack. |
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| 20:32.43 | zaccanasta | i have problems with megavideo and n900 |
| 20:33.30 | MrOpposite | hi, I've got a problem. I can't place my n900 in upgrade/reflash mode. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, maybe it's because of I put it in R&D-mode prior to the breakdown. any ideas? |
| 20:34.17 | MrOpposite | The procedure to putting the device in upgrade/reflash mode is pressing u while connecting the usb-cable after the device has been shut down? |
| 20:37.40 | Robot101 | fredddd: I was not that guy |
| 20:38.01 | Robot101 | fredddd: I'm one of the founders of Collabora (www.collabora.com) |
| 20:38.41 | fredddd | I see. |
| 20:38.59 | Robot101 | fredddd: we're an open source consultancy, we did a bunch of stuff for the N900 and N9 including working on the desktop and widget set (more in the N900 than N9), graphics drivers, multimedia framework (GStreamer), im/voip/cellular (Telepathy), contacts, general performance/architecture/"SWAT" team bugfixing, etc... |
| 20:39.22 | Robot101 | unfortunately for us we can't make our own products, so we have to go along with what our clients decide |
| 20:39.53 | fredddd | So if you were to want it, you could, push through a fix? |
| 20:39.59 | fredddd | But only if you had the SDK installed? |
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| 20:40.07 | Robot101 | Nokia won't put any updates out for the N900 any more |
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| 20:40.16 | fredddd | I would be willing to boot up a virtual machine with the requirements and if you could guide me. |
| 20:40.18 | fredddd | Get it done. |
| 20:40.24 | fredddd | No, Nokia would not, but there is CSSU. |
| 20:40.39 | Robot101 | ah right - well yes you can push something out through CSSU if you patched loudmouth |
| 20:40.51 | Robot101 | what's puzzling me is precisely why it didn't work |
| 20:41.06 | Robot101 | you can maybe help by catching a log on the device |
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| 20:41.21 | fredddd | Sure, I am up for it just give me the instructions and I will follow them. |
| 20:41.42 | Robot101 | I can't actually remember how to set up the SDK, I'm just a poor PHB now :) |
| 20:42.42 | Robot101 | to get a log, let me find some instructions |
| 20:43.56 | Robot101 | you need http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation to install the SDK - best is a 32-bit Debian or Ubuntu distribution |
| 20:44.05 | Robot101 | Debian stable would do fine I guess |
| 20:47.19 | NIN101 | MrOpposite: Turning the device off, starting the flasher and then connecting the cable should be enough. Basically everything is described in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:48.21 | Robot101 | fredddd: to get a log, disable all your IM accounts & open a terminal, killall telepathy-gabble |
| 20:48.46 | Robot101 | fredddd: then run LM_DEBUG=all GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble 2>&1 | tee gabble.log |
| 20:49.08 | Robot101 | fredddd: then edit your XMPP account and clear any weird ignore ssl / old ssl / manual server / etc setting, and enable the account |
| 20:50.02 | Robot101 | fredddd: then it will fail, you should get a bunch of stuff in the terminal also saved to gabble.log. you can disable the account again then ctrl+c that, and put the file online somewhere |
| 20:50.18 | Robot101 | (check first it doesn't contain your password :D) |
| 20:51.01 | fredddd | Ok, hold on, reading through it. |
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| 20:52.09 | fredddd | Grabbing Debian, then going to perform the log things. |
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| 20:59.22 | MrOpposite | I figured it out |
| 20:59.26 | MrOpposite | Stupid win7 |
| 20:59.31 | MrOpposite | thanks NIN101 |
| 20:59.44 | NIN101 | yw |
| 21:00.33 | MrOpposite | Bah, stupid old flashing-tool |
| 21:00.43 | MrOpposite | on linux I needed to downgrade my libusb |
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| 21:00.55 | MrOpposite | anyway I tested the flasher just now, and it worked |
| 21:01.41 | fredddd | Robot101, killall: telepathy-gabble: no process killed |
| 21:02.01 | fredddd | I need to be root? |
| 21:02.23 | Robot101 | fredddd: nope I guess it's not running - should be fine to proceed |
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| 21:03.52 | fredddd | Robot101, these variables you are making me set, you do know how to revert them right? :3 |
| 21:03.57 | fredddd | I do not want to run in debug mode all the time. |
| 21:04.58 | fredddd | Or are they temporary? |
| 21:05.02 | fredddd | Only for the started instance? |
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| 21:07.02 | MrOpposite | YEEEEEES |
| 21:07.16 | MrOpposite | I managed to reflash my kernel without reflashing the whole phone |
| 21:07.18 | MrOpposite | is happy |
| 21:07.31 | MrOpposite | Uhm, sortof wrong channel |
| 21:07.33 | Robot101 | fredddd: it will just set it for the started instance |
| 21:12.19 | fredddd | Robot101, do you have any clue where I could move the log to so it would be available when I plug it into my computer? |
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| 21:42.37 | tramp | Should I get a bluetooth keyboard and a bluetooth mouse, a BT keyboard and a USB mouse, or a USB keyboard and a BT mouse? |
| 21:42.49 | kerio | tramp: yes |
| 21:42.51 | kerio | or neither |
| 21:43.53 | tramp | Or neither I suppose. |
| 21:44.33 | tramp | If both were BT, I could charge at the same time, or use a flashdrive. |
| 21:44.40 | fredddd | Get a desktop. |
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| 21:45.02 | fredddd | Do not turn your mobile device into one, just get one. |
| 21:45.04 | kerio | tramp: is this for the n900? |
| 21:45.12 | tramp | kerio: Yes. |
| 21:45.18 | kerio | tramp: hahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:45.19 | kerio | no |
| 21:45.29 | tramp | fredddd: The desktop isn't fitting in my pocket. |
| 21:45.40 | fredddd | Neither is that keyboard and mouse. |
| 21:45.55 | tramp | Interesting. |
| 21:45.57 | kerio | fredddd: a stowaway bt keyboard does! |
| 21:46.06 | fredddd | Hey, be on my side here! :< |
| 21:46.19 | fredddd | Anyway, I think you should sway more to a tablet PC with a keyboard and/or mouse, for what you need. |
| 21:46.22 | tramp | But your side is wrong.. |
| 21:46.35 | kerio | the n900 is a poor excuse for a desktop anyway |
| 21:46.36 | fredddd | Hey, there is not what the enemy side should be saying! |
| 21:46.39 | kerio | you'd want an openpandora for that |
| 21:46.40 | fredddd | We say the same about you! x3 |
| 21:47.08 | tramp | fredddd: Hmm, but a tablet pc can't do what an N900 can. |
| 21:47.30 | fredddd | Christmas truce/ |
| 21:47.33 | fredddd | Let us play with a ball. |
| 21:47.37 | fredddd | And forget about our war arguments. |
| 21:47.49 | tramp | How boring. |
| 21:47.58 | tramp | How about war. |
| 21:48.40 | fredddd | So wait, what do you do on your N900. |
| 21:48.42 | tramp | Anyway, wouldn't the N900 work fine as a desktop in EasyDebian |
| 21:48.48 | fredddd | That pleases for yourself to have a mouse and keyboard on it? |
| 21:48.59 | tramp | When I'm mobile I do everything on my N900. |
| 21:49.02 | fredddd | Do you develop your software on it or something. |
| 21:49.13 | fredddd | And you be sitting on a train with keyboard and mouse out, or what? |
| 21:49.14 | tramp | fredddd: Yes! |
| 21:49.17 | fredddd | x.x |
| 21:49.27 | fredddd | I am going to stay out of this one from here on. |
| 21:49.54 | tramp | I have written some software on it, but I don't prefer it. |
| 21:50.00 | tramp | No train. |
| 21:50.27 | tramp | With a keyboard, I could modify the phone faster. |
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| 21:53.05 | fredddd | http://nokiaexperts.com/articleimages/2009/11/N900BTkeyboard.JPG |
| 21:53.06 | fredddd | Have fun. |
| 21:54.07 | tramp | So you mean to say it's a bad idea and waste of time, but you're too afraid to say so. |
| 21:54.43 | fredddd | I like cake. |
| 21:54.47 | fredddd | And that is all I will state. |
| 21:55.00 | fredddd | But you do not see me turning my N900 into a cake baking oven, now do you? :c |
| 21:55.48 | tramp | I presumed it was only for lack of ability. |
| 21:56.01 | fredddd | Are you questioning my cake baking abilities here? |
| 21:56.12 | fredddd | Because if so, you might very well be right. |
| 21:56.31 | tramp | Merely raising the question |
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| 21:58.04 | tramp | Stargus and other games would play better on a keyboard. |
| 21:58.21 | fredddd | That is because they were not designed for mobile devices. |
| 21:58.51 | tramp | I know, if only they were designed for mobile devices. |
| 21:58.59 | fredddd | Yeah ... =/ |
| 21:59.10 | fredddd | How much I like the idea of using your mobile phone for everything. |
| 21:59.19 | fredddd | Sadly, to me, it does not sound realistically. |
| 21:59.41 | trumee | Robot101: did your guys make any progress with the MWI support? |
| 21:59.46 | fredddd | Some manufacturers try to pack a gaming device into a mobile phone device, and well, for many of us, we can not even mention the name of any such device. |
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| 22:00.20 | kerio | buy a 3ds |
| 22:00.27 | fredddd | That was my first thought too. |
| 22:00.32 | kerio | if you want to play a computer game, you need a *computer* |
| 22:00.36 | fredddd | But I am sure he likes the freedom of a GNU/Linux operating system./ |
| 22:00.38 | kerio | aka a desktop or a laptop |
| 22:00.40 | kerio | with a *mouse* |
| 22:00.41 | fredddd | Which lacks entirely with the 3DS. |
| 22:00.45 | kerio | and a fullsize keyboard |
| 22:00.55 | kerio | anything else is just a loose imitation |
| 22:01.02 | fredddd | Not really, gaming handheld devices, which are out there, work good. |
| 22:01.07 | fredddd | But none are as free and open as a Nokia N900. |
| 22:01.10 | tramp | The N900 is a computer. |
| 22:01.11 | kerio | fredddd: i said "computer games" |
| 22:01.22 | kerio | i should've said pc games, i suppose |
| 22:01.22 | fredddd | My N900 does not compute? |
| 22:01.29 | fredddd | N900 = Personal Computer. |
| 22:01.32 | fredddd | It computes, and it is personal. |
| 22:01.35 | tramp | With a kbd, mouse and S/Video cables, and EasyDebian, I don't see the difference |
| 22:01.49 | kerio | fredddd: that's not what "personal computer" means, at least nowadays |
| 22:02.06 | fredddd | To me it does, so just call them games designed for desktop use. |
| 22:02.09 | kerio | a flammenwerfer does indeed werf flammen, but it doesn't apply to every word |
| 22:02.34 | fredddd | Anything that is wet, is wet to me. |
| 22:02.37 | fredddd | Anything that computes. |
| 22:02.38 | fredddd | Is a computer to me. |
| 22:02.44 | kerio | also, the more realtime skills are involved, the less a n900 port is going to be good |
| 22:02.59 | kerio | turn-based things are probably going to be good enough or more |
| 22:03.07 | kerio | playing starcraft on a n900... not so much |
| 22:03.17 | fredddd | Because Apple calls their computers Mac in and uses it as marketing technique, does not mean it no longer is a personal computer. |
| 22:03.33 | fredddd | Mac devices are personal computers, and to me, Apple does nothing else but make a fool out of themselves bashing personal computers. |
| 22:03.56 | fredddd | An iPad is even more of a personal computer, than a Windows desktop, because it allows only for one user, not multiple user accounts. |
| 22:04.28 | kerio | personal computer, at least to me, implies having a freedom to run whatever shit you want on it |
| 22:04.37 | kerio | and, nowadays, x86 or x86-64 architecture |
| 22:05.07 | tramp | I like lightweight backpacking, and a phone that doubles as a laptop can be very useful on the move. |
| 22:05.16 | kerio | sadly enough... "able to run windows" is probably a good definition of a pc |
| 22:05.24 | kerio | and virtual machines don't count |
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| 22:06.46 | tramp | Linux is good for productive uses of the computer. |
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| 22:07.12 | tramp | And Debian doesn't discriminate betwee x86, x64 and ARMEL. It supports each. |
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| 22:11.41 | trumee | If i download packages using apt-get -d, is HAM smart enough to see them and not download them again? |
| 22:12.58 | trumee | has flaky mobile internet atm, and wants to make sure the packages are downloaded correctly |
| 22:13.36 | javispedro | no |
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| 22:14.01 | javispedro | the other package manager maybe does, though. |
| 22:14.17 | javispedro | plus, apt-get itself will also not download them again |
| 22:15.05 | trumee | javispedro: right, i will install kp49 using apt-get then |
| 22:15.27 | trumee | hopefully kp49 wont break bluetooth support like kp48 did. |
| 22:15.55 | trumee | bluetooth-headset to be specific |
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| 22:25.50 | tramp | I heard someone mention they were using a BT keyboard and USB mouse to save power. Is there anything to this? |
| 22:26.49 | tramp | Right in this channel. |
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| 22:35.20 | Raimu | ¬_¬ |
| 22:35.27 | Raimu | To save power compared to what? |
| 22:36.39 | tramp | Using a BT keyboard and BT mouse. |
| 22:36.48 | tramp | I assume |
| 22:36.54 | Raimu | Sometimes I think "power savings" is to the n900 enthusiasts what "protein" is to bodybuilding wannabes. |
| 22:37.01 | SpeedEvil | Extremely unlikely. |
| 22:37.15 | SpeedEvil | Adding an additional device to BT will not significantly raise its power consumptionn. |
| 22:37.27 | javispedro | Raimu: "overclocking" is that word |
| 22:38.17 | Raimu | javispedro, that too |
| 22:38.21 | tramp | SpeedEvil: Thank you. |
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| 22:39.07 | Raimu | Maybe "protein" is overclocking and "diet" is power s(h)avings, then. |
| 22:39.27 | tramp | Are speed, power and screen space not the three most important commodities in the N900? |
| 22:40.28 | Raimu | Yeah, I can see how it gets there, but nonetheless. |
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| 22:41.20 | tramp | I like the double BT idea. You can charge while using it, and optionally use a flashdrive. |
| 22:42.00 | tramp | And there's no problem with the battery meter not updating. |
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| 22:44.37 | jkdhsdf | stella |
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| 22:48.19 | Robot101 | fredddd: sorry was eating dinner - MyDocs is the folder that appears on the USB |
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| 22:59.21 | Sicelo | ~/win 23 |
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| 23:01.29 | Sicelo | sorry for spam |
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| 23:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | tramp: while using a USB kbd for sure will eat significant amounts of energy |
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| 23:22.07 | fredddd | Robot101, I will continue that tomorrow. ^^ |
| 23:22.12 | fredddd | In a game of Killing Floor before I go to bed. :X |
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| 23:45.16 | badcloud_ | anyone know where I can download minimo? |
| 23:45.41 | badcloud_ | seems like all links are dead... |
| 23:51.06 | fredddd | Robot101, I do not permission over the log file to move it. |
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