| 00:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just he's acting like a turd whenever I see that video of CCC, and he's responsible^W to blame for PA, avahi, systemd... probably some other crap too |
| 00:00.13 | Wizzup | uses PA |
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| 00:00.30 | Wizzup | power kernel is updated |
| 00:00.33 | Wizzup | let's reboot |
| 00:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | hope you also updated the modules, or - better - used HAM |
| 00:01.03 | Wizzup | I used HAM |
| 00:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 00:01.32 | Wizzup | /lib/modules# ls -ld current |
| 00:01.32 | Wizzup | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 1 17:05 current -> 2.6.28.10-power49 |
| 00:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | looks good |
| 00:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | nur mut zum boot |
| 00:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | (german hacker grannies' saying) |
| 00:03.52 | merlin1991 | I'll file that under famous last words |
| 00:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:04.59 | merlin1991 | kinda like when I wanted to install archlinux and said, hey I don't have a cd at hand, but reformatting swap and putting the install disk content there and boot from the should be sufficient, right? |
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| 00:05.13 | Wizzup | I nearly did that once, but for gentoo |
| 00:05.19 | Wizzup | on a remote server |
| 00:05.23 | merlin1991 | it failed miserably |
| 00:05.32 | Wizzup | no :3 |
| 00:05.39 | Wizzup | oh |
| 00:05.43 | merlin1991 | 2 days later I got a cd |
| 00:05.53 | Wizzup | Should've installed gentoo |
| 00:07.38 | Wizzup | Thanks for the help, be back later |
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| 02:10.38 | newbie007 | hi I'm having trouble compiling scratchbox2 on a fedora14 box. My attempt is here: http://fpaste.org/r1S9/ Any ideas? (last line is luaif/luaif.c: In function ‘lua_sb_path_exists’:) |
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| 02:16.33 | newbie007 | lsls |
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| 02:29.03 | RaeCarruth | how do i copy links into my skype dialogue box? |
| 02:29.45 | RaeCarruth | or paste them, rather |
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| 02:31.29 | newbie007 | typically Ctrl+V or tap-hold or a menu option |
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| 02:32.57 | RaeCarruth | i tried the ctrl v |
| 02:33.12 | RaeCarruth | no menu option to speak of |
| 02:33.16 | RaeCarruth | found it odd |
| 02:34.44 | RaeCarruth | ok, seems to work now |
| 02:34.47 | RaeCarruth | silly ne |
| 02:34.50 | RaeCarruth | *me |
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| 02:47.49 | bindi | uhm |
| 02:47.59 | bindi | you're supposed to be able to take screenshot out of the box with ctrl+shift+p? |
| 02:48.48 | bindi | oh lol |
| 02:48.55 | bindi | i used ctrl+fn |
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| 09:52.29 | bindi | so eh |
| 09:52.40 | bindi | how do I flash both rootfs and emmc |
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| 09:53.14 | bindi | ah. nevermind |
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| 09:56.11 | bindi | uhm |
| 09:56.14 | bindi | Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response-splitting attacks. |
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| 09:56.35 | bindi | trying to download n900 firmware (or whatever you call it :p) |
| 09:58.08 | bindi | well, works fine with ff |
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| 10:20.46 | vallhalla | Hello all, I am trying to download RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php but there seems to be an error with the site, is there an alternative site to get a maemo image from? |
| 10:22.33 | bindi | hehe |
| 10:22.36 | bindi | just had the same problem |
| 10:22.41 | bindi | use firefox instead of chrome |
| 10:22.52 | vallhalla | bindi: ah thank you |
| 10:23.11 | bindi | seems to ignore the errors :P |
| 10:23.21 | vallhalla | grumbles and mutters firefox |
| 10:23.27 | vallhalla | :) |
| 10:23.38 | vallhalla | awesome thank you |
| 10:24.40 | vallhalla | emerge firefox |
| 10:24.46 | bindi | fail :p |
| 10:24.52 | vallhalla | oops lol |
| 10:25.43 | bindi | i just reflashed, is it safe to rm -rf /home/user? |
| 10:25.54 | bindi | dont want all that crap :> |
| 10:26.16 | vallhalla | do you meen /home/user/Mydocs? |
| 10:26.36 | bindi | i guess, i got a bunch of crap on /home/user too |
| 10:26.47 | bindi | ah shit nokia suite is automatically restoring my backup |
| 10:26.50 | bindi | i dont want thiiiisss :D |
| 10:26.51 | vallhalla | some of that will be settings though |
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| 10:27.30 | vallhalla | in /home user I mean |
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| 10:30.53 | Pupuser | hi every one |
| 10:31.01 | vallhalla | Pupuser: Hi there |
| 10:31.34 | Pupuser | need some help in my n900 |
| 10:31.40 | Sicelo | bindi: obviously stuff in /home/user is needed. u could rather empty MyDocs |
| 10:32.07 | vallhalla | Pupuser: ask away we will see what we can do |
| 10:32.17 | Pupuser | its very slow |
| 10:32.51 | vallhalla | Pupuser: do you have much running did the slowdown happen suddenly or over time? |
| 10:33.16 | Pupuser | if i open tow wep pages |
| 10:33.32 | bindi | my phone is starting up and it's asking for pin and time and date and stuff, is it safe to cancel nokia suite reinstall at that point? |
| 10:33.38 | bindi | dont want any backups restored or so |
| 10:33.42 | vallhalla | did you try clearing the cache? |
| 10:34.03 | vallhalla | Pupuser: ^ |
| 10:34.14 | Pupuser | i don't think i know how |
| 10:34.50 | vallhalla | Pupuser: ok open a browseer on your phone |
| 10:35.01 | Pupuser | ok |
| 10:35.11 | vallhalla | ang pay no attention to my typos :) |
| 10:35.20 | Pupuser | ok |
| 10:35.41 | vallhalla | ok then open the menu at the top of the screen |
| 10:35.50 | Pupuser | ok |
| 10:35.57 | vallhalla | you will see options select that |
| 10:36.12 | vallhalla | then select clear private data |
| 10:36.45 | Pupuser | oh nice thank you |
| 10:36.50 | Pupuser | is there any pugs in kernal power 49? |
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| 10:39.05 | Sicelo | yes Pupuser. but many fixes too :) |
| 10:40.46 | Pupuser | Sicelo :aha, i'v heard about anther kerenal that is butter speed and pwoer mangement is there such thing |
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| 10:42.24 | Sicelo | well, i don't know really. i use KP49 since a week. fine for me. |
| 10:43.41 | Sicelo | i'd suggest u use it too. |
| 10:45.08 | Sicelo | as for speed, it's a good idea to have 'htop' so u can see what's keeping your machine busy. of course, flash and javascript sites will affect speed |
| 10:45.13 | Pupuser | what about the battary usage |
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| 10:46.03 | Sicelo | battery usage is fine. no issues :) |
| 10:47.29 | Pupuser | ok thank you |
| 10:48.16 | Pupuser | one more thing |
| 10:48.32 | Pupuser | how to free more rootfs? |
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| 10:49.09 | Sicelo | don't install crapware. :P |
| 10:49.25 | Pupuser | i have only 2.212 kb |
| 10:49.27 | Pupuser | hehe |
| 10:49.34 | Sicelo | O.o |
| 10:50.04 | Sicelo | see the wiki immediately. u can move locales and other stuff |
| 10:50.26 | Pupuser | do you mean maemo wiki? |
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| 10:51.10 | Sicelo | yes |
| 10:51.59 | Pupuser | thank you Sicelo |
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| 11:33.02 | zaccanasta | hi guys |
| 11:34.14 | zaccanasta | i have a problem with mobile-maps-10 on N900 |
| 11:34.49 | zaccanasta | it segfaults |
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| 13:16.18 | bindi | can nokia suite export contacts in csv? |
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| 13:19.49 | bindi | hmm |
| 13:19.55 | bindi | i've got nokia communication centre |
| 13:20.06 | bindi | it should let me do that, though, i don't have my phone anymore :D |
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| 13:20.15 | bindi | it won't let me import a backup so i could export as csv |
| 13:24.46 | Sicelo | not afaik. havent used nokio s/ware in a while. i think they save stuff in a prprietry fromat |
| 13:25.22 | Sicelo | hmm, typos all the way.. no chance for infobot |
| 13:25.45 | Jack_R | zaccanasta, I dont think that mobile maps is available anymore |
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| 14:30.54 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/04/microsoft_wp7_nokia/ |
| 14:30.56 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/04/samsung_confirms_refreshed_galaxy_ace_will_come_to_uk/ |
| 14:30.59 | ruskie | Two Aces |
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| 14:38.16 | jonwil | is getting really really really annoyed with Wireshark right now |
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| 14:38.51 | jonwil | I want to run https://git.ring0.de/isi-wireshark-plugin/ |
| 14:39.01 | jonwil | but I cant get Gentoo to give me the .h files I need to compile it |
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| 15:00.25 | mgedmin | are you sure you're annoyed with Wireshark, and not Gentoo? ;) |
| 15:02.54 | jonwil | I got it working in the end |
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| 15:41.09 | crashanddie | jonwil, was it a user error, gentoo problem or wireshark? |
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| 15:45.26 | jonwil | I think it was gentoo not having the right fu to install the header files somewhere useful |
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| 15:49.00 | jonwil | bah, turns out somehow /usr/lib/libsms.so.0 ended up being linked to /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0.distrib instead of /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 |
| 15:49.42 | jonwil | which means I have a pile of log files from my holiday, all of which are 100% useless because the patch to libsms.so wasnt running |
| 15:49.53 | jonwil | well not all are useless, just some |
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| 15:51.50 | jonwil | its pissing me off since I cant just go back and re-collect those logs (the place I collected them is a 5hour plane flight away) |
| 15:52.10 | jonwil | initially I thought the garbage I was seeing was an operator fault |
| 15:52.24 | jonwil | but it wasnt, its the fault of something screwing up on my phone :() |
| 15:52.26 | jonwil | :( |
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| 16:07.52 | jonwil | so I have a pile of logs that are full of bogus cell tower names and are therefore useless for my purposes :( |
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| 16:08.02 | jonwil | I do have partial logs that work though |
| 16:08.14 | jonwil | so I have some cell towers captured |
| 16:08.29 | jonwil | just not all the ones I wanted including the ones going all the way to the airport |
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| 16:38.13 | plate | capture 50MHz wide I/Q w/ USRP2 next time so you can go back & replay it :) |
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| 16:43.18 | _llll_ | info ##math/27 |
| 16:43.23 | _llll_ | oops |
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| 16:50.46 | plate | im bind-mounting stuff to avoid / fillup. /opt, /var/cache, /usr/share |
| 16:51.01 | plate | i thought stock maemo only did /home and /opt, so i wonder how it handled apt/archives |
| 16:51.14 | plate | (normally in /var/cache/apt/archives, and i dont think i changed any apt configurations) |
| 16:52.33 | _llll_ | pretty sure it has /var and /usr at least |
| 16:52.41 | plate | im.. pretty certain flasher's -n (initfs) doesnt wrok with http://pkg-n900.alioth.debian.org/kernel/3.1-custom/initrd.img-3.1.0-1-omap as initfs!=initrd or somth |
| 16:52.45 | plate | oh, all of var, ok |
| 16:53.18 | _llll_ | dunno though, i could be wrong |
| 16:53.19 | plate | i figured /var/run stuff might already be in there when RC scripts run |
| 16:53.49 | plate | last time i broke boot, couldnt get that rescueOS booting due to some emmc related issue (rootwait didnt help) even tho my OS is on 256mb internal flash |
| 16:53.57 | plate | so id rather tread lightly than have to reflash yet again |
| 16:54.07 | vallhalla | Has anyone here got Gentoo running on a N900 dual or as a chroot? |
| 16:54.09 | plate | any 49 dollar shenzhen 4" phone-like devices that run Debian? |
| 16:54.16 | plate | vallhalla: RAM is an issue |
| 16:54.28 | plate | g++ likes about 500mb of ram to compile a c++ file using a ton of libs, boost etc |
| 16:55.10 | vallhalla | plate: I did think that so was going to do all the compile in a clone in a vm |
| 16:55.34 | plate | ive booted directly into debian, and xorg-omap and most everything was fine |
| 16:55.46 | plate | havent tried gentoo, cuz compiling seemed a bit crazy vvs binaries :) |
| 16:56.06 | x29a | or distcc or something |
| 16:56.09 | vallhalla | plate: very true |
| 16:56.12 | plate | can QEMU pretend its an ARM or something |
| 16:56.15 | x29a | or swapping (god forbid) |
| 16:56.18 | plate | or are you just using scratchbox or so |
| 16:56.27 | plate | you dont want to swap :) |
| 16:56.36 | x29a | yeh yeh |
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| 18:07.25 | TandyUK | hi guys, i just bought a n900 with maemo on it |
| 18:07.49 | TandyUK | is there a getting started guide anywhere covering such things as passwords, root access, adding repos etc |
| 18:09.46 | plate | passwds: type passwd in a terminal |
| 18:09.49 | plate | root: sudo gainroot in a terminal |
| 18:09.53 | plate | repos: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:10.03 | plate | also theres GUI tools for at least repo |
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| 18:11.05 | Sicelo | vallhalla: luke-jr runs gentoo on his n900 |
| 18:11.11 | plate | basically, grep extras /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon* > /etc/apt.sources.list, and change it to 'extras-devel' and duplicate the line for 'extras-testing' |
| 18:11.17 | plate | theres also some CSSU repos, does anyone have the urls? |
| 18:11.39 | luke-jr | Sicelo: yep, we're discussing in #gentoo-embedded now |
| 18:11.41 | plate | CSSU page tells you to navitage to some ActiveX-style control that kicks off the updater or so |
| 18:12.26 | Sicelo | ;) |
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| 18:14.32 | vallhalla | Sicelo: thank you |
| 18:14.37 | TandyUK | sudo gainroot says "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" |
| 18:15.29 | Sicelo | just a friendly warning |
| 18:15.30 | luke-jr | TandyUK: install openssh is easier |
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| 18:57.36 | merlin1991 | rofl plate |
| 18:57.43 | merlin1991 | no it's not activex :D |
| 18:57.54 | merlin1991 | it's the ham specific .install file |
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| 19:05.07 | plate | gona try it in a sec |
| 19:05.16 | plate | i assume it just adds stuff to sources.list? |
| 19:05.37 | plate | maemo is by far the most sane mobile OS i've used, so probably.. |
| 19:06.36 | niwakame | /signed |
| 19:07.17 | merlin1991 | plate: yes it does |
| 19:07.50 | plate | TandyUK: you find it? flasher --enable-rd-mode or so |
| 19:08.01 | merlin1991 | just install rootsh from extras-devel |
| 19:08.06 | merlin1991 | then you don't need r&d mode |
| 19:08.08 | NIN101 | exactly. |
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| 19:22.40 | niwakame | any idea on why "import com.nokia.extras 1.0" does not work with "Not found" error in Qt SDK but "import com.nokia.extras 1.1" does work ? |
| 19:22.53 | niwakame | 1.1 sadly doesn't give me the opportunity to use InfoBanner :/ |
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| 20:06.12 | blue_led | there is any wat to make "echo N > /sys/class/gpio/export" to work and create /sys/../gpioN folder as expected ? ( power kernel 47 ) |
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| 20:09.24 | blue_led | from schematics gpio line 67 is ISP1707 chip enable but /sys/kernel/debug show this line "low" even if usb is active . something is wrong somewhere |
| 20:11.33 | blue_led | IPS1707 pin B3 ( chip_en ) is active high ! |
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| 20:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you can't use that as GPIO when it is operating at alternative_function |
| 20:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | meh, drive-by asker |
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| 21:44.06 | _David_ | Hey, new to Linux, redirecting output is driving me crazy. "powertop > output.txt" produces 0 byte files. Any help? |
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| 21:45.18 | till | try "powertop -d > output.txt" :) |
| 21:46.25 | till | or enter q to stop it since the output is written after the program finished afaik |
| 21:47.05 | _David_ | -d is an invalid option, will try other sugestion |
| 21:48.44 | till | powertop -h should show you the available options |
| 21:49.26 | plate | if its printing to stderr or soemting try |
| 21:49.29 | plate | app > file 2>&1 |
| 21:50.07 | _David_ | so powertop > output.txt &1 ? |
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| 21:50.56 | _David_ | options are t s f and h, this is 1.13 from extras-devel |
| 21:52.02 | _David_ | nvm plate, looked it up |
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| 22:02.13 | _David_ | ok, "powertop > output.txt" shows some (stderr?) output but produces zero byte file, "powertop > output.txt 2>&1" puts only that output in the file ie 42 bytes. Still can't capture the useful powertop output |
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| 22:03.41 | Sleep_Walker | hi |
| 22:04.10 | SpeedEvil | _David_: Odd. |
| 22:04.35 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# powertop >po |
| 22:04.35 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# ls -l po |
| 22:04.35 | SpeedEvil | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5656 Jan 4 22:03 po |
| 22:04.44 | _David_ | I'm running powertop from a just-flashed N900, no patches |
| 22:05.06 | SpeedEvil | this is a I think 1.2, that was OTA |
| 22:05.15 | SpeedEvil | I can't imagine it'd bedifferent though |
| 22:05.20 | SpeedEvil | Does powertop show normakly? |
| 22:05.29 | _David_ | yes |
| 22:05.33 | SpeedEvil | do the same with ls |
| 22:05.40 | SpeedEvil | see if you can pipe from that |
| 22:05.42 | Sicelo | also works for me |
| 22:05.43 | SpeedEvil | check for disk full |
| 22:05.47 | Sleep_Walker | simple and maybe quite often question - how hard is to run maemo on android phone (DesireZ)? are there such attempts? is there some wiki covering status of such attempt? |
| 22:06.01 | _David_ | disk should be almost empty, where do you get 1.2? |
| 22:06.02 | SpeedEvil | Sleep_Walker: Impossible. |
| 22:06.07 | Sicelo | Sleep_Walker: nope |
| 22:06.17 | SpeedEvil | Sleep_Walker: Well - impossible may be strong. |
| 22:06.18 | Sicelo | um, sorry SpeedEvil :s |
| 22:06.26 | SpeedEvil | Sleep_Walker: But it's at least man-years of effort. |
| 22:06.30 | SpeedEvil | And illegal. |
| 22:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Well - violating licence agreements on distributed software. |
| 22:07.09 | plate | signed boot-loaders, etc |
| 22:07.20 | _David_ | can pipe ls -l fine |
| 22:07.23 | Sleep_Walker | SpeedEvil: ad license issues - I don't care much, I'm not in US |
| 22:07.26 | plate | realistically, buying a N900 or some device Mer runs on is your best bet |
| 22:07.37 | SpeedEvil | Sleep_Walker: Inmost of theworld, it's not legal to do. |
| 22:07.52 | SpeedEvil | But it's years of effort. |
| 22:08.13 | Sleep_Walker | yup - man-years, that's the reason I ask about others... :) |
| 22:09.01 | Sleep_Walker | what is so different? provided kernel interface? |
| 22:09.37 | SpeedEvil | Most of the core software is closed. |
| 22:09.44 | plate | android kernel won't work, its significantly diverged from vanilla |
| 22:09.51 | plate | and once you use that, your hardware wont be supporte |
| 22:10.00 | _David_ | looks like my version is built for PR 1.0 http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ |
| 22:10.02 | SpeedEvil | You need to do carying stuff from reimplimenting core daemons, on up, if you want to get it to work |
| 22:10.02 | guampa | hello, trying to get to root console from backupmenu, but when i enter the password for root and press enter i get the menu again, any ideas? |
| 22:10.21 | Sleep_Walker | SpeedEvil: core software of maemo? |
| 22:10.28 | Sleep_Walker | I thought it's opensource... |
| 22:10.33 | _David_ | will get 1.2, probably it will show no issues now... thanks for help, will bbl |
| 22:10.33 | plate | some of it |
| 22:10.35 | guampa | need to do a full fsck on MyDocs, easy debian installation failed and left the fs ill |
| 22:10.51 | plate | and even if MAemo was 100% opensores, youre still stuck on kernel-vanilla/driver prob |
| 22:11.04 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# md5sum /sbin/powertop |
| 22:11.04 | SpeedEvil | c5e6aff4985fdf0acf5e5a410504f895 /sbin/powertop |
| 22:11.21 | SpeedEvil | Sleep_Walker: Bits of it are opensource. |
| 22:11.23 | Sicelo | _David_: i'm on 1.3 |
| 22:11.36 | Sleep_Walker | hum |
| 22:11.46 | Sicelo | no.. sorry, 1.1e.3 |
| 22:12.14 | Sicelo | s/1e/1/ |
| 22:12.17 | SpeedEvil | Sleep_Walker: I've said before that maemo openness has been carefully designed and engineered to allow 'the community' to write games, and minor patches to some system aspects. But to preclude anythingtoo ambitious. |
| 22:12.40 | SpeedEvil | And mean that any software written will not be trivially portable to other platforms. |
| 22:12.49 | Sleep_Walker | that's sad :/ |
| 22:13.28 | Sleep_Walker | thanks for your answers |
| 22:13.33 | plate | but, Maemo has Xorg |
| 22:13.40 | plate | you can really compile/run whatever you want a lot easier than on Android |
| 22:13.47 | plate | which doenst even have a libc youd expect |
| 22:13.51 | plate | let alone a normal kernel or X server |
| 22:14.06 | Sleep_Walker | I'll try some debian instead |
| 22:14.35 | plate | thats nice, until you want to use your GSM/GPS hardware |
| 22:14.40 | plate | so you have a really pricey wifi tablet |
| 22:14.58 | plate | plus, Illume is kinda primitive compared to Hildon/Matchbox/GTK stuff on maemo imo |
| 22:14.59 | Sleep_Walker | I already have some experiences with Palm smartphones |
| 22:15.13 | Sleep_Walker | GSM is pain |
| 22:15.27 | Sleep_Walker | I'm at the phase of collecting information about HW |
| 22:15.46 | Sleep_Walker | I miss some linux distro for mobile phones |
| 22:16.01 | plate | you can see what hw #mer people are terying to get maemo/meego sw-legacy running on |
| 22:16.12 | Sleep_Walker | plate: Illume is maybe primitive but it was quite enough for me |
| 22:16.13 | plate | none of it is fully-open, the cordia-Tab project has been futile so far |
| 22:16.37 | plate | yeah |
| 22:16.46 | plate | a ton of little thinsg |
| 22:16.54 | plate | like Terminal in maemo's tab/pageup/esc buttons |
| 22:16.55 | Sleep_Walker | yup |
| 22:16.59 | plate | you can actually use Vi and stuff in a pinch |
| 22:17.04 | plate | xterm on e17 was a pita in co mparison |
| 22:17.12 | Sleep_Walker | :)) |
| 22:17.30 | Sleep_Walker | I used my own X keyboard mappings so it was bearable |
| 22:17.33 | plate | its really amazing how many little touches are right in Maemo so its a shame NOKIA is so idiotic |
| 22:18.00 | plate | so many people in Finland / northern-europe obviously "Get it" re open-source, and have QT/GTK skill |
| 22:18.08 | plate | too bad management is out on a date with MSFT |
| 22:18.44 | Sleep_Walker | I was quite surprised that one month they released N950(?) and next month they welcome Windows... |
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| 22:19.03 | Sleep_Walker | too bad I didn't get one |
| 22:20.08 | Sleep_Walker | there is so many linux mobile initiatives and all sucks |
| 22:20.48 | plate | Illume is best bet imo |
| 22:21.07 | plate | make sure your hw can at least run debian.. |
| 22:21.38 | Sleep_Walker | I'm fan of E17 anyway and involved a bit in that project |
| 22:21.46 | Sleep_Walker | debian is no problem |
| 22:22.10 | Sleep_Walker | problem as you already said is controling devices |
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| 22:22.43 | Sleep_Walker | thanks for info and good luck with maemo |
| 22:22.50 | plate | bricked mine again |
| 22:23.07 | plate | i think my bind-mount of /var is screwing it up, 5-dots progress bar actually stops, instead of rebooting tho |
| 22:23.28 | plate | got a single ext3 on emmc 32G that i'm too lazy to repartition back to what Maemo expects |
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| 22:23.57 | plate | removing the 'generate/clobber /etc/fstab' lines in /etc/event.d/rcS-late works though... |
| 22:24.17 | plate | i think its cuz /var/run is mounted and then becomes invisible when var is bindmounted, linux switched to /run recently |
| 22:24.37 | plate | so now i'm neck deep in RC scripts, beacuse maemo decided to ship on a device with a 256 mb / |
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| 22:28.22 | plate | should i fix the OS to be bootable again, compile the latest u-boot branch so that i can try putting / right on emmc 32gb, or leave it on teh table with back off and battery out. the choice is easy |
| 22:29.28 | plate | n900's flash really is slow. compiling / untarring stuff on a jb'd iPAd is so much faster |
| 22:30.40 | plate | saurik is a badman. if you're willing to jb and use HTML5/Safari only for UIs, iOS is becoming more of a compelling option |
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| 22:39.19 | kerio | at this point i'm just waiting for the droid 4, hoping it doesn't have a locked bootloader |
| 22:39.22 | kerio | the droid 3 is locked :( |
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| 22:43.01 | wmarone__ | it's motorola |
| 22:43.18 | wmarone__ | it'll be locked and they'll give some snarky response on why they refuse to offer an unlock |
| 22:46.58 | kerio | but they promised they'd make their future bootloaders unlocked! |
| 22:47.03 | kerio | :8 |
| 22:47.30 | kerio | i wouldn't touch that motocrap with a 10 foot pole, but no other company is actually making an android phone with a physical keyboard |
| 22:48.58 | tank-man | relevant img :) http://mobilesyrup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/moto-poll.jpg |
| 22:49.19 | kerio | i mean, the droid 3 can be rooted |
| 22:49.25 | kerio | but it still doesn't feel right :( |
| 22:51.56 | kerio | hmm, the htc desire Z doesn't look bad |
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| 22:55.10 | plate | does it run Debian? |
| 22:55.26 | plate | i'll proably ust buy another n900 if mine breaks |
| 22:55.31 | plate | its down to 1/3 original retail price NIB |
| 22:55.51 | Wizzup | How much is it now? |
| 22:56.09 | kerio | as of now, my choice after mine breaks is another n900 |
| 22:56.30 | plate | my definition of "open" includes open to possibilities |
| 22:56.49 | plate | android is prety much in last place. yay quasi-java |
| 22:56.53 | kerio | plate: yeah ._. |
| 22:57.03 | kerio | but the n900 feels really old |
| 22:57.07 | kerio | it's mostly the ram |
| 22:57.11 | plate | spiral-zoom is pretty nutty too |
| 22:57.19 | kerio | who uses that? |
| 22:57.23 | kerio | double-tap to zoom |
| 22:57.25 | plate | i use the buttons |
| 22:57.27 | kerio | or the volume keys |
| 22:57.33 | kerio | multitouch is crap anyway |
| 22:57.44 | kerio | i like my x11 with only one pointer :) |
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| 22:58.07 | kerio | i'd totally buy a n900 with 1gb of ram |
| 22:58.10 | kerio | and no optification |
| 22:58.23 | plate | yup |
| 22:58.30 | plate | did N950 have more RAM |
| 22:58.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: build me a n900 with 1gb of ram |
| 22:58.36 | plate | cant they just do a run of say, 100K of those |
| 22:58.54 | kerio | plate: i'm actually really bummed that they haven't done a retail run of n950s |
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| 22:59.59 | kerio | plate: the alternative is an openpandora with a MiFi |
| 23:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | plate: dm8tbr convinced me Nokia is too big to be able to do that |
| 23:00.32 | kerio | i wonder how a usb modem would fit on an openpandora |
| 23:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: aye Sir - will need ~USD 10k |
| 23:00.59 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: woah, 1GB of ram is that expensive? :o |
| 23:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | no, but 10 times RAM and 10 N900 in perfect condition, plus labour... |
| 23:01.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: i meant "take an actual retail N900, unsolder the RAM and solder a bigger RAM on it" |
| 23:02.00 | kerio | why do you need 10? |
| 23:02.04 | kerio | i only need one! |
| 23:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: that'S exactly what I offered to do, and I assumed I'm good on that and only will need 9 to practice |
| 23:02.21 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 23:02.22 | kerio | :D |
| 23:02.34 | kerio | would i be able to keep the n900s that survive the practice? |
| 23:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | none will survive, except that last golden one where everything worked |
| 23:03.15 | kerio | ._. |
| 23:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not even I will survive that ;-P |
| 23:03.36 | kerio | i'm sure the ones before will magically "break" |
| 23:04.08 | kerio | even if nothing went wrong |
| 23:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | you'll just see defects that are hard to fix on doing same procedure once more to them |
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| 23:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | soldering large BGA, even PoP, isn't exactly simple. Needs quite some luck to get any of the first dozen right |
| 23:06.16 | kerio | ok :( |
| 23:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | then I'll probably have to sloughter other high priced devices to get a hold on the needed chips |
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| 23:06.41 | merlin1991 | me always wonders how the fuck those chips get soldered on |
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| 23:06.45 | kerio | does this mean that i have to buy a desire z or a milestone 3? :( |
| 23:06.51 | kerio | i really like maemo |
| 23:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: "very simple" - just reflow solder them |
| 23:07.41 | javispedro | I do know some people that is potentially "good" doing this |
| 23:07.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: what does that mean? |
| 23:07.47 | javispedro | *are |
| 23:07.56 | javispedro | but I am quite sure they'd ask for a few N900s at least |
| 23:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | means "heat up the whole board to the temperature where the solder paste stamped thru' a stencil will melt and solder the chip in place |
| 23:08.11 | javispedro | plus, I do not even know where I'd source pin compatible PoP with larger RAM |
| 23:08.16 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: cool, let's do that! :D |
| 23:08.26 | kerio | i'm sure you have all the necessary equipment |
| 23:08.41 | merlin1991 | just supply the 10k kerio ;) |
| 23:09.41 | kerio | will 10k yen be enough? |
| 23:09.58 | merlin1991 | I fear not |
| 23:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | for sure not, probably not even USD |
| 23:10.06 | merlin1991 | needs to finally catch a decent n900 on ebay |
| 23:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | might need 10k GBP |
| 23:10.35 | merlin1991 | got 2 but one has a completely borked modem, and the other one is about to give in |
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| 23:19.29 | merlin1991 | ~info |
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