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| 01:22.07 | merlin1991 | anybody read about reaver by now? |
| 01:22.15 | merlin1991 | or rather had a look at the source= |
| 01:22.21 | merlin1991 | s/=/?/ |
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| 07:12.35 | XDS200010 | :( |
| 07:12.54 | XDS200010 | while sleep 120 ; do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && sudo iwlist scan | grep "key:off" && dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Open networks are available" uint32:0 string:"OK" ; done |
| 07:13.04 | XDS200010 | why no work ? |
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| 08:08.48 | plate | donno |
| 08:08.58 | plate | more a wpa_supplicant type myself |
| 08:10.34 | TimmyT | i cant sign in into SIP services like pbxes.when i enter my information n press the sign in, it a little thinks and then says not signed in.whats the matter? |
| 08:11.14 | plate | SIP works for me, but loses registration often and fails to reconnect |
| 08:11.35 | plate | actualy the error says "invalid password" or something, but if you 'edit' and 'save' the wireless config with the same pass, it then connects fine |
| 08:12.08 | TimmyT | i dont use wifi,i use edge |
| 08:12.13 | plate | its obviously fairly bug-ridden, but ive heard maemo's telephony stack is closed-source, i guess if i cared enough i'd dig a little deeper than jsut wait for SAmsung to release a Tizen phone |
| 08:12.24 | plate | i use clear4G via wifi |
| 08:12.28 | Sicelo | TimmyT: some sip services aren't compatible with N900. |
| 08:12.46 | Sicelo | it's a known issue |
| 08:12.58 | plate | is there a github with the voip stuff? |
| 08:13.02 | plate | would Ekiga be a better bet? |
| 08:13.12 | plate | i know theres various voodoo going on w/ pulseaudio rerouting when you make a call etc |
| 08:13.18 | Sicelo | nope. it doesnt work too |
| 08:13.24 | TimmyT | sicelo:i want to use pbxes which has been recommended here for n900 |
| 08:13.48 | Sicelo | such as? |
| 08:14.09 | TimmyT | let me find the link |
| 08:14.12 | Sicelo | linphone works for me |
| 08:15.21 | TimmyT | sicelo:talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=962009 |
| 08:15.59 | TimmyT | actually im looking for a sip provider to use with ipkall. |
| 08:16.19 | Sicelo | plate: u meant ekiga as an application, or the service? because n900's built-in sip client isn't compatible with ekiga |
| 08:16.48 | plate | as a phone. since n900's buuilt-in SIP is pretty broken wrt staying registered to a PBX imo |
| 08:17.11 | Sicelo | that would be nice :) |
| 08:20.19 | Sicelo | well, TimmyT, if that doesn't work for u, then i'd suspect something's changed in their setup in the meantime. u notice that post was 2010. fyi, Jebba has wiki page in which he was able to login to ekiga.net a long time ago. but right now that's not possible |
| 08:21.10 | TimmyT | sicelo:is there any other client for n900? |
| 08:21.20 | TimmyT | like ekiga soft phone or linphone |
| 08:22.57 | Sicelo | idk. try to search repos |
| 08:23.17 | plate | illume/e17 and chromium / ekiga worked pretty well on Debian vanilla + MAemo's kernel |
| 08:23.22 | plate | i may just go that route again |
| 08:23.25 | plate | the FFOX in Maemo5 is so ancient |
| 08:23.29 | plate | er microb |
| 08:24.16 | Sicelo | TimmyT: there's yate. |
| 08:24.33 | TimmyT | it is possible to install linphone or ekiga softphone on debian chroot,but it a little anoys |
| 08:24.36 | plate | apt-cache search linphone not turning it up |
| 08:24.37 | TimmyT | yate? |
| 08:25.47 | plate | all of Hildon/GTK/Matchbox is open-source so i could proably build Maep for debian, right? |
| 08:25.54 | plate | i gues its all a matter of how much investment you want to put in |
| 08:25.55 | Sicelo | yes. for maemo. i dunno how far it goes. |
| 08:26.15 | Sicelo | ^^ wrt yate :) |
| 08:27.20 | plate | besides half-broken SIP, memelaks in hildon-home is my biggest problem with MAemo5. i have to SSH in a few times a day and kill -9 it (After waiting thru excruciating lag) despite having basically a stock everything and no widgets installed |
| 08:28.28 | plate | im out of ideas besides 'reflash' |
| 08:32.07 | Sicelo | memelaks? |
| 08:32.24 | plate | memleak. itll be chewing 180 of the 256mb of RAM |
| 08:32.33 | plate | and growing. if i dont catch fast eneough,, hardpower is only solution |
| 08:32.46 | plate | it eats about 10mb an hour doing nothing |
| 08:32.54 | plate | wlel, obviously doing something.. leaking like mad, |
| 08:33.30 | plate | im pretty sure the solution for now is go back to debian , get QRadio/Maep working, i know Ekiga/Chromium already do. and figure out shell scripts to take photos and possibly focus hte cam and assign a shortcut icon to them |
| 08:33.54 | plate | and pancake's i2cset charger script works, as does bme_rx51 if you ldd it and make sure all it's deps are LD_LIBRARY_PATH'd |
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| 08:35.13 | plate | anytihng has quirks, bud id rather fix the quirks in debian vanilla. mer seems too obsessed with redhat and qt/meego stuff but maybe i'm misinformed there |
| 08:35.20 | plate | efl or gtk only imo |
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| 08:38.08 | Sicelo | debian? u mean easydeb, or u boot debian? |
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| 08:39.59 | plate | yeah boot into it |
| 08:40.03 | plate | using maemos kernel |
| 08:40.16 | plate | 'll reflash first, maybe that will fix the hildonhome issue |
| 08:41.03 | plate | im pretty sure xbindkeys could do stuf flike map the 'zoom' buttons to ctrl-+ in chromium etc. its just id rather not mess w/ all this |
| 08:41.06 | Sicelo | nice. did u document this somewhere? i'd like to try it out too |
| 08:41.09 | plate | i wnt something that works out of the box :) |
| 08:41.45 | plate | http://elektranox.org/n900/index.html is the guide i followed |
| 08:45.40 | Sicelo | ok. :) |
| 08:45.54 | Sicelo | that's the one i had an eye out for |
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| 08:53.05 | plate | hrmm cool |
| 08:53.23 | plate | it looks more like mainline kernel might work today |
| 08:53.30 | plate | save for a few thinsg theres experimental git-repo drivers for |
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| 10:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | XDS200010: try run-standalone dbus-send .. |
| 10:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | (<plate> and pancake's i2cset charger script) what? link please! |
| 10:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, electranox, the site where every idiot can claim authorship of everything, and nobody cares to get it right |
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| 11:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | you got windows? NSU? please check http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&curid=77&diff=46188&oldid=46148 for correctness! thanks |
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| 11:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'd rather remove that comment as that's a howto page, no tmo thread where posts start with "I noticed..." |
| 11:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | so the edit is probably incorrect both by facts and by style. If any of you could check back with his windows NSU, and then probably [undo] that edit |
| 11:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&action=edit&undoafter=46148&undo=46188 |
| 11:13.52 | SpeedEvil | Alas - no windows. |
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| 11:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | moo SpeedEvil |
| 11:15.39 | zul_ | what happens if i use ext2 instead of vfat for mydocs |
| 11:15.44 | zul_ | will i still be able eto mount it mass-storage on linux? |
| 11:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 11:15.53 | zul_ | is it *only* so windows can mount it that vfat is used? |
| 11:15.56 | zul_ | ok |
| 11:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | afaik the exporting magic will break when you change the fs to ext2 |
| 11:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | not 100% sure about it |
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| 11:17.18 | zul_ | yeah,i think i read that somewhere |
| 11:17.20 | NIN101 | it will be still possible as far as I know. |
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| 11:17.46 | NIN101 | just try :P |
| 11:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | basically it *should* still work, as the export is for "physical drives" not for fs |
| 11:18.10 | NIN101 | exactly. |
| 11:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | but I heard of a number of other potential problems when using a "real fs" on mydocs |
| 11:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | like upper/lowercase mismatches |
| 11:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | wrong owners |
| 11:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | wrong permissions |
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| 11:20.54 | NIN101 | meh, chown user:users -R /home/user/MyDocs |
| 11:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't it like camera-daemon/GUI once did funny things like creating a folder DCIM under root root 644, then trying to store pictures to dcim as user? |
| 11:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | which, conveniently, made the whole cameraui segfault |
| 11:22.37 | NIN101 | I dunno, everything works with ext3 MyDocs here. |
| 11:22.42 | NIN101 | since months. |
| 11:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | good to know they have fixed those issues meanwhile then |
| 11:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | the camera DCIM issue I didn'T make up though, was like this in "ancient" PR versions |
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| 11:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | on the bright side: even a COMBINED reflash won't change your MyDocs fs |
| 11:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | you just have to re-edit all the scripts that need tweaks |
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| 11:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles a few curses in electranox' general direction |
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| 11:30.01 | NIN101 | why? they said afaik that "pancake" charger script is based on yours, but well. |
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| 11:52.10 | Macer | anybody know why i would be getting Unknown HZ value on a linux box? |
| 11:52.21 | Macer | for several commands in a shell |
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| 12:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: >> Pancake wrote a script to charge the battery without this daemon based on information from the public available specs and the not working script from forum.<< pancake just did comment out one line, and replaced it with a duplicate that has a s/9/1/. So *ALL* this pancake "wrote" was ONE CHAR ("1") |
| 12:02.11 | NIN101 | lol ok, sorry. |
| 12:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | rather those idiots at electranox should have linked to ShadowJK 's great charge.sh/charge21.sh scripts |
| 12:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: the worst thing is I wrote to them several times about the issue, about the script still being faulty, and they pretty please correct this. Reaction: none |
| 12:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | so |
| 12:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart electranox |
| 12:04.27 | infobot | puts electranox through a wood chipper |
| 12:04.43 | NIN101 | ah ok. |
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| 12:07.00 | Sicelo | looks like they aren't working on it recently |
| 12:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | they should wait til *I* am working on *them* |
| 12:08.31 | Sicelo | :P |
| 12:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | answer iirc was "pancake told me it's his script, so if you want that fixed here, contact pancake" |
| 12:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | whoever that fsckng pancake might be |
| 12:09.36 | Macer | lol |
| 12:09.44 | Macer | was the 1 important? :) |
| 12:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell, those who got eyes to see... will see the truth |
| 12:10.21 | Sicelo | well, as a noob user, i really would like to see a usable debian system. the electranox one seems to have gone some way towards that goal. i dunno if there's any more advanced effort than that yet. |
| 12:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's the end criterion of charger chip, so my original draft aborts prematurely under certain conditions, telling "status: 0x10" |
| 12:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: forget electranox, follow SHR |
| 12:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | FSO/SHR |
| 12:11.37 | Sicelo | hmm, isn't that a 'different' distro? |
| 12:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | different to what? |
| 12:13.23 | Macer | i fee bad because i have no idea wtf electranox is lol |
| 12:13.27 | Macer | feel |
| 12:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | it's based on OpenEmbedded which in turn AIUI is based on plain debian |
| 12:13.51 | Macer | does it run hildon? |
| 12:13.56 | Macer | and on an n900 |
| 12:13.59 | Sicelo | ok. sounds good |
| 12:14.01 | Macer | ? |
| 12:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | http://elektranox.org/n900/installation/hardware.html <-- Macer |
| 12:14.10 | Macer | wow |
| 12:15.00 | Macer | oh so it is just a raw debian on an n900? |
| 12:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | you definitely should be interested in http://shr-project.org |
| 12:16.09 | Macer | well... i wouldn't mind something that works as well as maemo on an n900 |
| 12:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | rather than electranox |
| 12:16.14 | Macer | if not better ;) but i doubt there is anything |
| 12:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | there's definitely nothing |
| 12:16.33 | Macer | but then again isn't maemo based on debian too? |
| 12:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 12:16.55 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: shr can do gprs/3g? |
| 12:16.57 | Macer | then what's the point if the gui sucks ? :) which i am sure it does on the n900 |
| 12:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: afaik yes |
| 12:17.35 | Sicelo | great :P i don't care about everything else. just need cellular data |
| 12:18.28 | NIN101 | maemo has the same package format as debian, but a lot of stuff is different, the init system, libc, etc. so partially based on debian. |
| 12:21.01 | Macer | hm. shr looks interesting |
| 12:21.28 | Macer | they have the cams working.. wonder if the gps works lol |
| 12:21.40 | Macer | but then again it would need a good gui |
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| 12:22.25 | Macer | it would be awesome if someone could make a gui on shr for n900 and base a new OS off it |
| 12:22.28 | Macer | :) |
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| 12:25.33 | TimmyT | whats the latest version of firefox for maemo? |
| 12:26.07 | NIN101 | mozilla doesn't care about maemo anymore. |
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| 12:26.51 | TimmyT | screw mozilla,anyway whats th latest version? |
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| 12:27.16 | NIN101 | afaik the last official was 4 and iirc there were some newer, unofficial builds on some ftp. |
| 12:27.55 | TimmyT | tnx |
| 12:29.52 | TimmyT | the qt theme has been disabled and it seems a gtk theme(something like that,a milky color theme)has been enabled on my device.what's the kuz of this? |
| 12:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: what's wrong with enlightenment? |
| 12:31.54 | Sicelo | Macer: i see TangoGPS for shr. dunno how usable it is |
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| 12:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | tangoGPS for SHR worked like a charm even back in my GTA02 Freerunner days. Dunno though about status of N900 GPS drivers |
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| 12:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | you know N900 GPS is via ISI/modem |
| 12:33.55 | TimmyT | any idea? |
| 12:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess conventional GPS should work, A-GPS not so much |
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| 12:36.13 | Sicelo | that would be fine by me. i tend to use non-assisted gps either way |
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| 12:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1027338#post1027338 loosely related |
| 12:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | iirc luke-jr also did some digging into that |
| 12:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | happy new year samoa |
| 12:46.55 | Sicelo | one more thing i'd like to have would be usb host-mode |
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| 13:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: usb hostmode on N900 is a kernel thing |
| 13:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: dunno if the guys included my h-e-n kernel patches to their latest 3.2(?) kernels |
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| 14:25.45 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: e probably isn't the best mobile ui ;) |
| 14:25.57 | Macer | at least not as good as maemo's hildon |
| 14:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | what exactly ate the points that distinguish the two? |
| 14:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | are* |
| 14:27.25 | Macer | ease of use on a smaller touch screen |
| 14:27.32 | Macer | overall |
| 14:27.37 | Macer | not just app based |
| 14:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | how's that related to either e or hd? |
| 14:27.54 | Macer | if i have to use the stylus something is wrong |
| 14:28.01 | Macer | :) |
| 14:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think it's mainly a theming question |
| 14:28.19 | Macer | the interface for e isn't meant for it |
| 14:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 14:28.33 | Macer | and i doubt there are any themes that would change that |
| 14:28.40 | Macer | really? |
| 14:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | ask rater |
| 14:28.49 | Macer | do you have a screen shot? |
| 14:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | raster |
| 14:29.11 | Macer | i mean maemo just has a good interface |
| 14:29.23 | Macer | being one of the few uis that are out there that use X |
| 14:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | what do you think illume/enlightenment is using? |
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| 14:30.42 | Macer | i understand that but e and its themes are not meant for small screen mobile devices |
| 14:30.54 | Macer | it would be like running kde |
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| 14:31.25 | NIN101 | they have mobile GUI, and also KDE has mobiel GUIs, so they are meant for small screen devicse. |
| 14:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | there are even configuration/setup constants like FINGERSIZE in e, for defining an "oversacn" of hot area beyond boundaries of icons |
| 14:32.08 | Macer | honestlly didn't know that |
| 14:32.23 | Macer | i would love to see screen shots |
| 14:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | screenshots show themeing |
| 14:33.11 | Macer | :) |
| 14:33.27 | Macer | i mean shr running e on an n900 using a mobile theme |
| 14:33.37 | Macer | then i will believe it lol |
| 14:34.07 | NIN101 | http://216.189.8.164/N900/debian/screenshots/2011-11-04-135424_800x480_scrot.png |
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| 14:35.23 | Macer | NIN101: that menu bar would require the stylus. and that is just the browser not the e interface |
| 14:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=youtu.be |
| 14:35.54 | NIN101 | http://216.189.8.164/N900/debian/screenshots/2011-11-04-134850_800x480_scrot.png then this supershiny menu. |
| 14:37.12 | NIN101 | and no, stylus isn't necessary here. |
| 14:37.33 | NIN101 | is a bit of a pain without though. |
| 14:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | Hochgeladen von tostershadow am 11.09.2010 |
| 14:39.43 | Macer | nice |
| 14:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Look |
| 14:39.54 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: looks promising |
| 14:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | Hochgeladen von tostershadow am 11.09.2010 |
| 14:40.09 | Macer | opengles works? |
| 14:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 14:40.30 | Macer | and all the hardware? |
| 14:40.34 | Macer | ah ok |
| 14:40.44 | Macer | i am sure there is a lot that doesn't work :) |
| 14:41.10 | Macer | shr is to n900 as mer is to n8x0 |
| 14:41.23 | Macer | promising but never coming to realization |
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| 14:41.57 | Macer | always on the brink of something good but always having something wrong that ruins functionality |
| 14:42.32 | Macer | points at n900 meego, nitdroid, mer, etc |
| 14:42.59 | Macer | realistically maemo will be the only thing that provides full functionality of the n900 |
| 14:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | somehow true, somewhat false |
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| 14:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | latest N900-SHR is supposed to "mostly work" |
| 14:45.49 | Macer | nitdroid has "mostly worked" for quite some time |
| 14:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | though it seems they introduce some regressions recently by adopting things to 3.x kernel |
| 14:46.27 | Macer | what makes it so bad is that it is usually a minor thing... like the camera flash won't work or the sound ticks every 5 secs |
| 14:46.51 | Macer | as examples of severity not examples of what is truly wrong |
| 14:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | sound ticks every 5s is a MAJOR SHOWSTOPER |
| 14:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | due to sth thoroughly fsckdup with power management then |
| 14:48.15 | Macer | those were just examples ;) |
| 14:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | and usually it's exactly power management where all the alternative distros suck donkeyballs |
| 14:48.32 | Macer | not real bugs that i am aware of. i have never used shr |
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| 14:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | was a good realistic example though |
| 14:49.10 | Macer | but given the track record of "maemo alternatives" ... |
| 14:49.45 | Macer | i of course have doubts that anything will ever be 100% functional |
| 14:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, for sure maemo has the least chances to ever reach that goal |
| 14:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:50.49 | Macer | lol. i didn't want to say it ;) |
| 14:51.00 | Macer | but at least typical things that should work usually do |
| 14:51.20 | Macer | i can take pics.. make phone calls... capture video... play music... do all network functions..etc |
| 14:51.33 | Macer | the things that you expect to work out the box do |
| 14:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | seems to me SHR can do that as well |
| 14:51.58 | Macer | and the interface is intuitive |
| 14:52.13 | Macer | only slightly ever requiring the stylus |
| 14:52.40 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: lik i said. i haven't tried it.. but i have the expectation to try it and be disappointed |
| 14:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, I'm more disappointed by HARM for example |
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| 14:53.38 | Macer | maybe if it had a specific n900 theme that looked nice i would give it a try.. but i am sure i am going to try to take a picture and the flash won't work ... or the video will stutter... or the hw 3d accel won't work |
| 14:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | moot discussion |
| 14:54.18 | Macer | there is always something that seems to never be able to be fixed in alternatives to maemo.. at least as far as the ones i have tried |
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| 14:54.42 | Macer | and other than these new ones you mentioned today .. i think i tried them all :) with meego probably being the most disappointing |
| 14:55.16 | Macer | but hey... they're free.. you get what you pay for huh? ;) |
| 14:56.13 | Macer | i suppose it is a good dev hobby for a developer up until they get a real job and no longer see a purpose behind supporting it anymore |
| 14:56.39 | Macer | other than their e-go |
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| 14:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | you're now close to triggering a troll alarm here |
| 14:58.15 | Macer | really? |
| 14:58.32 | Hurrian | unsurprising, i mean, meego vanilla isn't something you add to a kernel and push on a device then sell it, unlike android, which you can build, throw a kernel onto, and sell |
| 14:58.38 | Macer | i was only being honest |
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| 14:59.23 | Hurrian | imho, basing meego on meego is now a moot point, the initial goal was to make a readily available dev env for other meego devices |
| 14:59.52 | Hurrian | uhh, *basing meego ce and mer etc. on meego |
| 15:00.50 | Hurrian | and there are exactly 2 widely available meego devices - n9 and n950 |
| 15:01.11 | Macer | n950 isn't widely available ;) |
| 15:01.24 | NIN101 | and isn't the meego.com meego. |
| 15:02.22 | Hurrian | heh, it's meego harmattan, but it's nokia's meego, just made compatible with other meego devices (what other meego devices?) |
| 15:02.40 | Macer | but truly.. my point is that i would LOVE to see a fresh look on the n900 with a new OS/UI that was fully functional |
| 15:03.38 | Macer | but considering the history of maemo on all maemo devices... and the alternative attempts at such... it is not a real expectation |
| 15:03.51 | Hurrian | mer's kernel for the N900 is reasonably functional and iirc includes drivers for all devices |
| 15:04.05 | Hurrian | sadly the user-facing part is largely missing |
| 15:04.20 | Hurrian | and that's why people don't want to use it daily on their phones |
| 15:04.20 | Macer | yes. the ui always seems to be the downfall |
| 15:04.48 | Hurrian | i mean, the dialer's still broken, yes you can call but you wouldn't know who you were calling |
| 15:05.09 | Hurrian | the lag isnt as bad as the summer release but it's there, and a lot slower than maemo |
| 15:05.18 | Hurrian | hmm, lag isnt the right word |
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| 15:05.21 | Hurrian | it's delay |
| 15:05.34 | Hurrian | animations are silky smooth. too bad it takes 1s to start them |
| 15:06.42 | Macer | lol |
| 15:06.54 | Hurrian | makes me think that a modernization of whatever code we have from fremantle's hildon was the better choice in the first place |
| 15:06.56 | Macer | well maybe when nokia goes under all the hildon code will be thrown into the wind |
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| 15:08.10 | Hurrian | but oh, it seems that cordia has hit a full stop |
| 15:09.15 | Raimu | Seemed so. :( |
| 15:11.24 | Hurrian | but oh well, maemo 5 is not as fresh as far as software goes, but it's still serviceable for the rest of it's life. |
| 15:11.39 | Hurrian | nokia didn't fuck up too badly in the software department |
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| 15:12.46 | Macer | apple and google toppled nokia :) |
| 15:12.52 | Hurrian | with the exception of hildon, most packages are patched just to have -maemo0 at the end of the package names |
| 15:13.13 | Macer | lol |
| 15:13.36 | Hurrian | @Macer: no shit. have you used a N97/5800XM/N8 with the factory SW? |
| 15:13.51 | Macer | N95 ;) |
| 15:13.53 | Macer | lol |
| 15:15.24 | Hurrian | hmm, wonder how the world would be if the N770 was a phone. |
| 15:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: isn't mer/meego kernel still as bad as it been from very beginning, thanks to "upstream stuff only" policy which can't work if you don't take care to upstream your own very device specific patches? |
| 15:15.42 | Macer | hindsight is always 20/20 ;) |
| 15:15.58 | Macer | either way... nokia needs to find a buyer |
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| 15:16.18 | Macer | and judging by their share price now.. some time soon |
| 15:16.47 | Macer | unless there is a major nokia breakthrough like a holographic display or some new modem they make that goes 20GB/s |
| 15:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I thought M$ already sorted all of that issue |
| 15:17.11 | Macer | no |
| 15:17.23 | Macer | MS will cut their ties and sell it off if they have to |
| 15:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure, you always get rid of the packaging, after eating up the cake |
| 15:18.48 | Macer | if i were to play crystal ball.. i could see google purchasing it using motorola mob |
| 15:19.10 | Macer | how elop is still in charge is seriously beyond my understanding of how business works |
| 15:19.23 | Macer | any other ceo would have been "fired" long ago |
| 15:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | you don't understand how much Nokia is already a M$ department |
| 15:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | slowly migrate all the relevant stuff into genuine M$ domain, then shredder and dispose the rest |
| 15:21.26 | DocScrutinizer | nobody is going to fire Flop |
| 15:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | Flop will eventually fire $Nokia stuff |
| 15:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | the third that hasn't been set free already |
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| 15:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | or migrate it to M$ |
| 15:24.08 | Macer | how much of nokia did ms take a stake of? |
| 15:24.21 | Macer | elop already received his kickback |
| 15:24.43 | Macer | it is a shame.. such a great company reduced to the lehman brothers of the tech world |
| 15:25.54 | Macer | but i honestly don't think that MS will buy them outright.. maybe their patents in order to give elop his golden parachute as nokia goes full bankrupt |
| 15:26.32 | Macer | i don't have the numbers offhand but i would guess since he has taken charge nokia has lost roughtly 70% of its public value |
| 15:26.43 | Macer | anyways... doesn't matter :) maemo works lol |
| 15:26.49 | Macer | ttyl |
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| 15:46.15 | RST38h | moos wishes happy new year |
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| 15:50.37 | javispedro | sends wishes too |
| 15:50.57 | javispedro | welcome to the first year without maemo, meego! |
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| 15:51.25 | RzR | just sent some wishes too http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81236 |
| 15:58.02 | Macer | omg no wonder elop is fail. he is canadian |
| 15:58.06 | Macer | grins :) |
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| 16:10.01 | XDS200010 | http://goo.gl/pR5ia |
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| 16:10.12 | XDS200010 | Can you guys help with that please |
| 16:10.27 | NIN101 | no |
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| 16:10.39 | NIN101 | I don't click shortened urls |
| 16:10.50 | XDS200010 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1143710 |
| 16:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | they are actually deprecated on this chan |
| 16:11.29 | XDS200010 | lol deprecated ? whats with the negativity :P |
| 16:11.57 | XDS200010 | there ya go |
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| 16:12.49 | XDS200010 | i tried the dbus pipe with both a starter and non starter script as well as putting sudo before and not |
| 16:13.15 | XDS200010 | everything else seems to work except for the notification for whatever reason |
| 16:13.56 | NIN101 | run-standalone.sh |
| 16:14.05 | kwtm2 | Nokia is Finnish? Or Swedish? |
| 16:14.05 | XDS200010 | yea tried that |
| 16:14.05 | XDS200010 | like i said |
| 16:14.15 | XDS200010 | kwtm2: both |
| 16:14.23 | XDS200010 | finnish mostly |
| 16:14.31 | kwtm2 | Oh, ok. No wonder I'm confused. |
| 16:14.53 | XDS200010 | Don't worry we will un confuzel you |
| 16:16.15 | XDS200010 | NIN101: wait, am i supposed to create that script or does it already exist in the system core? |
| 16:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-31 11:32:06] <DocScrutinizer> XDS200010: try run-standalone dbus-send .. |
| 16:16.33 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: like i said i tried that |
| 16:17.38 | XDS200010 | run-standalopine.m,\ |
| 16:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, can't figure any other reason it wouldn't work |
| 16:17.55 | XDS200010 | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Open networks are available" uint32:0 string:"OK" |
| 16:17.57 | NIN101 | while true ; do iwlist scan | grep "key:off" && run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Open networks are available" uint32:0 string:"OK" ; sleep 20 ; done <-- this works as root. just tested it even. |
| 16:18.23 | XDS200010 | k |
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| 16:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | grep -q |
| 16:20.34 | NIN101 | to embellish it, yes. |
| 16:21.00 | XDS200010 | :) |
| 16:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | XDS200010: btw I don't think your way to use sudo in those scripts on tmo would work, without some additional tweaking in /etc/sudoers.d/yoursettings |
| 16:28.45 | XDS200010 | Well con dialog takes over from done |
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| 16:32.58 | XDS200010 | she steals focus but its a start :) |
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| 17:32.24 | XDS200010 | can the missed call note be cleared in itself ? |
| 17:32.45 | XDS200010 | I want to have my way with her |
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| 17:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | who's "her" |
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| 17:39.28 | XDS200010 | the dbus event |
| 17:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, events a a she now too? Isn't that a bit over-PC? |
| 17:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | are a* |
| 17:40.25 | XDS200010 | Instead of sending a general notification i want to use the same missed message notification that phone app uses |
| 17:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | umm, |
| 17:40.49 | XDS200010 | However without them piling up on each other |
| 17:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | there are two kinds of notifiers: the small ones and the larger ones you need to click to make them go away - no? |
| 17:41.50 | XDS200010 | the general one steals focus from what i see |
| 17:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | stopping the piling up has to be done in your "app" |
| 17:42.38 | XDS200010 | i'd like to avoid sending events to text if possible |
| 17:42.55 | XDS200010 | keep it simple |
| 17:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me |
| 17:43.39 | XDS200010 | by the way, no need for your settings, sudo works |
| 17:44.24 | XDS200010 | If i use a databased event it has to be stored somewhere. Here with the simple command i can just input it into a widget |
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| 17:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | (sudo) if arbitrary commands work thru sudo, then why is there a config in /etc/sudoers.d/* for all those particular commands that are allowed to work? |
| 17:50.34 | Sicelo | he probably has a fsckdup sudo. like mine. i can sudo anything :( |
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| 17:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's definitely a *lot* of thoroughly fsckng up in sudoers, of pkg maintainers/devels that have NFC - see for example filebox.sudoers: >> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vi * |
| 17:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | each noob knows you can get a shell to do whatever you want, thru vi |
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| 17:54.59 | NIN101 | lol. |
| 17:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | so how can anybody dare to allow vi to start with root permissions, without any query for password |
| 17:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | whole filebox is brainfsckd regarding this |
| 17:56.02 | NIN101 | searches wtf filebox is |
| 17:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | I seriously hope this hasn't made it into extras |
| 17:57.01 | NIN101 | [install] |
| 17:57.01 | NIN101 | catalogues = extras |
| 17:57.01 | NIN101 | package = filebox |
| 17:57.06 | NIN101 | :D |
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| 17:57.47 | XDS200010 | Doc i dont like vi |
| 17:57.59 | NIN101 | I bet in 90% of maemo installations you don't have to type any password to get root anyway |
| 17:58.08 | XDS200010 | Its great on a desktop but not on a small keyboard |
| 17:58.19 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I began writing an ISI driver for gpsd |
| 17:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | hi luke-jr :-D |
| 17:58.35 | luke-jr | hi |
| 17:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | good to hear that |
| 17:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of people will love it |
| 17:59.16 | XDS200010 | So im stuck with SystemNoteDialog and SystemNoteInfoprint |
| 18:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: I tried to fix this (no password need) for my device |
| 18:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: I'm well aware suckers like filebox etc defeat my effort |
| 18:01.10 | NIN101 | on my you also can't just get type "root" to get root shell... |
| 18:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | so even if I changed the way HAM gets invoked, I still had some dozen open gates size of golden gate bridge, to root the device |
| 18:02.04 | happymonkey | does anyone know the keybindings of xournal 0.4.5-1fremantle17? or where they can be found? In the configuration files? |
| 18:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 18:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | no xournal here - what is that? |
| 18:03.22 | happymonkey | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31779&page=50 |
| 18:03.27 | happymonkey | is the main thread |
| 18:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, don't feel like visiting tmo to find out the 2 words headline what xournal is meant to do |
| 18:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | esp a thread there that has an URL ending with "page=50" ;-D |
| 18:04.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: re filebox.sudoers containing 'vi *' -- WUT? LOL |
| 18:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 18:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | rather WTF?! |
| 18:06.08 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: It's a painting program much less memory intensive than MyPaint. |
| 18:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | filebox maintainer thought it's a good idea to lift filebox and all the tools it uses to root perm level |
| 18:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: :-D thanks! |
| 18:06.51 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: I have to believe you knew that though |
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| 18:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:07.23 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: you've been here before the n900 with an n8x0? I thought, am I wrong? |
| 18:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 18:07.34 | happymonkey | ok |
| 18:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | a short while |
| 18:07.53 | happymonkey | xournal was really the only, at least the best, drawing app. for the n8x0 |
| 18:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | while my N900 wasn't shipping yet |
| 18:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:08.34 | NIN101 | indeed it has |
| 18:08.35 | NIN101 | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/nano * |
| 18:08.35 | NIN101 | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vi * |
| 18:08.35 | NIN101 | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vim * |
| 18:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 18:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 18:08.50 | happymonkey | edit like a king |
| 18:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | incredible, isn't it? |
| 18:09.11 | NIN101 | yeah. |
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| 18:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | I might want to redirect the alternatives for nano, vi, vim to bin/false, as I never use any of them anyway |
| 18:11.44 | happymonkey | I use vim |
| 18:11.48 | happymonkey | it's my hero |
| 18:12.58 | javispedro | wtf he would do this? wtf he would _need_ to do this? |
| 18:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 18:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | when he's runing filebox itself with root perm, NFC why he needs to run vi with root^2 perm |
| 18:13.58 | javispedro | NFC why he needs to run vi at all |
| 18:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | I guess filebox has an option to edit a file |
| 18:14.29 | javispedro | a future version of filebox will include emacs with all emacsen and emacs.sudoers to give it "proper" permissions |
| 18:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if it's using vi for that |
| 18:14.43 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that would make partial sense at least. |
| 18:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | s/make sense/explain why he thought it would make sense/ |
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| 18:18.41 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: I had a crazy thought |
| 18:18.45 | NIN101 | maemo's security is poor anyway. As said, we all know that on most devices you can get root without any password. Then we have adobe flash player from 2009... , an old browser, an old kernel..., and tons of other outdated network applications. |
| 18:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: where from would I get a generic list of (standard) binaries that has all the binaries which explicitly offer shell access, for a blacklist? |
| 18:19.29 | javispedro | pft |
| 18:19.44 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: What about sending a retrieve password or MMI control code to invoke the notification bubble right from xterm |
| 18:19.52 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that is a ongoing problem in linux server administration, I'd say, just whitelist instead. |
| 18:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | XDS200010: sorry, you again completely lost me |
| 18:20.26 | RST38h | mooo, javispedro |
| 18:20.30 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 18:20.35 | XDS200010 | Anyone know if there is a benign MMI code that can be raped ? |
| 18:21.12 | XDS200010 | obviously there is NUM |
| 18:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | i got nfc wtf you're talking about |
| 18:22.15 | RST38h | Apparently, he wants to rape an interrupt |
| 18:22.26 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: I cant get the notification bubble invoked |
| 18:22.42 | RST38h | It *is* kinky, but on the NY night, among geeks, it is to be expected |
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| 18:23.09 | RST38h | looks at his own nick, moves away from XDS200010, just in case |
| 18:23.18 | XDS200010 | rape is commonly used slang |
| 18:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 18:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | XDS200010: sorry, no bubbles on my device, so I guess I can't duplicate your problem, due to different theme maybe |
| 18:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | XDS200010: I only know of http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_notification_.28orange_one_line_popup.29 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_dialog_notification_.28orange_multi_line_popup_requiring_user_interaction.29 |
| 18:29.28 | XDS200010 | Thats why i was thinking of MMI |
| 18:30.04 | XDS200010 | Problem with that is obvious |
| 18:30.47 | XDS200010 | I could do blah blah if true do sms self |
| 18:31.03 | XDS200010 | or better yet (and free |
| 18:31.12 | XDS200010 | ) |
| 18:31.31 | XDS200010 | blah blah if true do MMI lookup #646# |
| 18:31.57 | XDS200010 | Piss off the carrier in the process :) |
| 18:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | then there's also that "missed calls" notification that would somehow go into ... (searched so long that now the whole post is obsolete) |
| 18:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | but no, there's for sure a more generic way to get this flashing upper left corner, than sending an actual SMS |
| 18:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | just I can'T fimd any info on how exactly to do it, right now |
| 18:35.38 | Sicelo | yes, there is. pidgin & xchat have it |
| 18:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | xchat does this with the persistent fullscreen notifiers? |
| 18:36.21 | XDS200010 | pidgin is open |
| 18:36.54 | XDS200010 | ty Sicelvxcz |
| 18:36.54 | XDS200010 | vxcz |
| 18:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | (I kicked the while functionality/plugin out of my xchat) |
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| 18:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:37.06 | XDS200010 | ty Sicelo * |
| 18:37.47 | Sicelo | lol |
| 18:38.16 | Sicelo | in xchat it's under preferences, alerts, system tray |
| 18:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems I successfully nuked it on mine |
| 18:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway afail there's some hildon process that manages those notifications, and takes care to not show two of them with "1 new SMS" |
| 18:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | afaik* |
| 18:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | rather somebody (process) has to change the notification to "2 missed SMS" |
| 18:42.03 | XDS200010 | bbl |
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| 23:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | ok, 2012 |
| 23:11.53 | SpeedEvil | Have a good one! |
| 23:12.48 | NIN101 | thx, you all too. |
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| 23:32.17 | Macer | lol |
| 23:32.18 | Macer | not yet |
| 23:39.42 | SpeedEvil | #freenode-newyears :) |
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| 23:51.43 | Macer | no thanks ;) i'll be downtown for new years |
| 23:51.44 | Macer | lmao |
| 23:52.01 | Macer | it is only 6pm here |
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