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| 10:24.23 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'The pieces were transparent?'. |
| 10:26.04 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 10:26.04 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 10:26.05 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. |
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| 12:36.10 | badcloud_ | has anyone here successfully implimented bash history? not in sh, in bash |
| 12:36.29 | SpeedEvil | umm - what? |
| 12:36.43 | SpeedEvil | Bash history is in bash. |
| 12:36.46 | psycho_oreos | what's that supposed to mean? when you install bash and you chsh to bash you should get .bash_history file under ~ directory |
| 12:36.52 | badcloud_ | I've tried 'shopt -s histappend' and exiting term with ctrl-d |
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| 12:37.06 | SpeedEvil | What are you trying to do? |
| 12:37.12 | badcloud_ | psycho_oreos: it's not working for some reason |
| 12:37.26 | badcloud_ | SpeedEvil: trying to have bash hist |
| 12:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | WFM |
| 12:37.33 | SpeedEvil | WFMT |
| 12:37.46 | badcloud_ | Whaaat |
| 12:38.10 | psycho_oreos | badcloud_, which bash version are you using? |
| 12:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | bash3 atm |
| 12:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 12:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | always worked |
| 12:39.04 | badcloud_ | 2.05b.0(1) |
| 12:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | what stopped working for bash3 is the help command :-/ |
| 12:40.31 | SpeedEvil | It's been renamed. |
| 12:40.34 | SpeedEvil | halp |
| 12:40.40 | SpeedEvil | It now displays a lolcat in ascii. |
| 12:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 12:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | I indeed pondered to replace it by a script with echo "<all the help foo>" |
| 12:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | but that's for sure monkey business to code |
| 12:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | while I'd prefer to bash the bash3 maintainer for build option -DNOHELP |
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| 12:44.44 | badcloud_ | what shoud the ownership of .bash_hiastory be? |
| 12:44.59 | badcloud_ | s/shoud/should |
| 12:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | ok, there *might* be a legitimate reason you would want to build it without help: reducing RAM footprint |
| 12:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud_: obviously owner owner 6xx |
| 12:45.39 | badcloud_ | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 12:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | here probably user users 640 |
| 12:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | or 600 |
| 12:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | unless you're talking about root's bash |
| 12:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l .bas* |
| 12:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | -rw------- 1 root root 16943 2011-12-20 08:52 .bash_history |
| 12:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | for root |
| 12:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ ls -l .bas* |
| 12:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | -rw------- 1 user users 3113 Nov 14 20:05 .bash_history |
| 12:49.09 | badcloud_ | thanks again |
| 12:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | realizes his user's locale is fsckdup |
| 12:49.29 | badcloud_ | (I meant user's) |
| 12:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | messy date format |
| 12:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | err, maybe that's messybox ls though |
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| 12:51.32 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/30/hawking_job/ |
| 12:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, messybox. Should get my $PATH right, for user |
| 12:52.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ /usr/bin/gnu/ls -l .bas* |
| 12:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | -rw------- 1 user users 3135 2011-12-30 13:51 .bash_history |
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| 12:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 12:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 12:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 12:57.54 | pronto | :O you's been haxed |
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| 13:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | me are hax0r ;-P |
| 13:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is the rationale messybox sources .bashrc?? |
| 13:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | # ~/.profile: executed by Bourne-compatible login shells. |
| 13:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then |
| 13:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 13:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | messybox bourne-compatible? BWAHAHA |
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| 13:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, seems I need to give it some more tweaking |
| 13:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | anybody got the affirmative answer on "how do I detect a script is running under true bash?" |
| 13:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | if [ $BASH ] ? |
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| 13:11.35 | NIN101 | if [ $SHELL = "/bin/bash" ] ; then echo "yay!"; fi ? |
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| 13:12.51 | SpeedEvil | BASH_VERSION nt null |
| 13:12.54 | SpeedEvil | not |
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| 13:13.21 | joga | builtin && echo "it's bash" ? ;) |
| 13:13.28 | XDS200010 | Hi, is there a application or addon that can alert me when open access points are in range ? |
| 13:13.39 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:13.43 | SpeedEvil | I forget what it's called |
| 13:13.47 | SpeedEvil | It makes beepy noises |
| 13:13.57 | XDS200010 | We have a lot of municiple wifi networks in my area, i would like to take advantage of them |
| 13:14.26 | XDS200010 | municipal* |
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| 13:14.52 | XDS200010 | SpeedEvil: was that directed at me ? |
| 13:14.59 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:15.26 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/wifiinfo/ |
| 13:15.37 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/wifieye/ |
| 13:15.45 | SpeedEvil | IIRC one of these can be put into scan and beep mode |
| 13:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'll go for [ -n $BASH ] I think |
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| 13:18.25 | NIN101 | while [ true ] ; do iwlist scan | grep "key:off" && [command to play sound ] ; sleep 120 ; done -- hacky though. |
| 13:18.54 | XDS200010 | Both of those apps have undesirable extras. I just want a simple toaster notification that tells me open access points are available. |
| 13:19.05 | SpeedEvil | toaster? |
| 13:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~ # echo $PATH |
| 13:19.15 | XDS200010 | Ah NIN101 thanks |
| 13:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 13:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~ # bash |
| 13:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 13:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 13:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | all I need |
| 13:19.43 | SpeedEvil | is reminded of toaster notifications. |
| 13:19.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec |
| 13:19.45 | Macer | hm |
| 13:19.48 | Macer | efnet died lol |
| 13:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: while sleep 120; do ... |
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| 13:20.24 | NIN101 | indeed, makes more sense. |
| 13:21.42 | Macer | so how goes things? :) |
| 13:21.50 | XDS200010 | how do you send push notification to system NIN101 ? |
| 13:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: esp it really aborts on ^C |
| 13:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 13:22.11 | NIN101 | do you mean this yellow notificatino bars? |
| 13:22.18 | XDS200010 | yea |
| 13:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | XDS200010: see wiki phone control |
| 13:22.37 | NIN101 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Notifications |
| 13:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-send |
| 13:22.42 | XDS200010 | cool |
| 13:23.04 | Macer | the last days of lehman brothers was kind of a letdown of a movie |
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| 13:23.11 | Macer | maybe the last days of nokia will be better |
| 13:23.14 | XDS200010 | I wonder if a RDS burst tx per channel could be done |
| 13:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | err, what? |
| 13:24.22 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: in other words send Notifications to every single tx channel over fm |
| 13:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you completely lost me |
| 13:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | I neither know what TX channels you talk about, nor what Notifications you could send via FM |
| 13:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you want to do, the FMTX on N900 is so incredibly weak you won't succeed |
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| 13:27.52 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: RDS tx already works, ive tried it |
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| 13:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | I know that |
| 13:28.12 | XDS200010 | its stereo too :) |
| 13:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | ooh stereo RDS ;-P |
| 13:28.59 | XDS200010 | Doesn't matter to me, if im right on top of the signal it wont make much difference |
| 13:29.20 | kerio | if you're on top of the signal you can read the screen |
| 13:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | if you think of auto-adjusting your car radio to a channel specified by N900 via RDS sent to whole freq band, forget it |
| 13:29.38 | XDS200010 | kerio: exactly |
| 13:30.04 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: what kerio said |
| 13:30.15 | kerio | no, i mean, read the screen |
| 13:30.23 | kerio | don't bother with transmitting notifications through fm |
| 13:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why the heck the coffee seems refuses to kick in - gets only gibberish |
| 13:30.54 | XDS200010 | kerio: why not , seems to work fine for me |
| 13:31.01 | XDS200010 | ??? |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | what kerio said is also gibberish to me |
| 13:31.06 | Macer | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/frankfurt-stock-exchange-has-approved-nokias-request-to-delist-2011-12-16-1058150 |
| 13:31.08 | kerio | XDS200010: because it's fucking useless |
| 13:31.09 | Macer | wow |
| 13:31.25 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: XDS200010 wants to transmit notifications through the fmtx, in some way |
| 13:31.28 | XDS200010 | huh ? |
| 13:31.43 | kerio | or i didn't get it but somehow was getting all the right answers anyway |
| 13:32.00 | XDS200010 | What the hell are you talking about kerio it already works |
| 13:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | if you think of auto-adjusting your car radio to a channel specified by N900 via RDS sent to whole freq band, forget it |
| 13:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | if that's not what you think about, then please enlighten me |
| 13:32.44 | XDS200010 | Doc i think you have been drinking the plutonium :P |
| 13:33.16 | XDS200010 | lol |
| 13:33.44 | XDS200010 | If you're not american you wont get that joke |
| 13:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs, accepts that sometimes he's living in a parallel reality that has incompatible grammar, and turns away |
| 13:36.39 | XDS200010 | http://nopaste.info/1bbb1e0b26.html |
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| 13:37.49 | kerio | why [ true ] and not just true? |
| 13:38.20 | XDS200010 | true , ill fix it :) |
| 13:39.19 | XDS200010 | http://nopaste.info/04b4625325_nl.html |
| 13:39.19 | NIN101 | nah, as doc said, remove the while [ true ] and replace it with while sleep 120 , and remove the "sleep 120" in the loop. |
| 13:40.08 | XDS200010 | whats the difference ? |
| 13:40.22 | XDS200010 | one less pipe ? |
| 13:41.56 | NIN101 | <DocScrutinizer> NIN101: esp it really aborts on ^C <-- aborts with while true too, so well, doesn't matter... |
| 13:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: ^C a sleep 120 in a while true; do... loop doesn'T usually abort the loop |
| 13:44.36 | NIN101 | well I just tested it, dunno. |
| 13:44.40 | NIN101 | it works here. |
| 13:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | depends on your set -+e I guess |
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| 13:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha, a set -e closed my complete shell on ^C |
| 13:48.51 | NIN101 | yep. |
| 13:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | I really dunno what exactly is causing the problem and when, but I found several times that I had a hard time to ^C a tight loop, when the ^C only aborted the sleep 2 and the loop entered another iteration |
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| 13:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | with while sleep 2; do ...; done it always aboets on ^C for me |
| 13:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | obvious downside: it starts with a wait |
| 13:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | haven't really wrapped my head around why it doesn't abort, on while true; do...; sleep 2; done loops, since I got the remedy |
| 13:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'm rather sure it has to do with shell settings |
| 13:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | maybe also with reading from stdin in loop, or sth |
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| 13:56.07 | NIN101 | the whole loop is a job. |
| 13:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 13:57.46 | kerio | is there a do...while in sh? |
| 13:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | do until? |
| 13:58.31 | XDS200010 | wouldn't that just be a cron? |
| 13:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | until: until COMMANDS; do COMMANDS; done |
| 13:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, never use that one |
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| 13:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's just a while ! |
| 14:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | yep, it is a while ! COMMANDS loop |
| 14:01.06 | NIN101 | it may even has to do something with signals, SIGINT vs SIGTERM... |
| 14:01.11 | XDS200010 | while bomb technicial ; scan ; grep *run* ; if true ; catch up |
| 14:01.20 | XDS200010 | LMAO |
| 14:02.43 | XDS200010 | if rinse ; do repeat ; done |
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| 14:03.36 | Mongkeybiz | I am looking for a Nokia N9 developer who can make me a SMS filter app. Is that possible? |
| 14:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | /join #harmattan |
| 14:04.50 | Mongkeybiz | thanks |
| 14:04.55 | DocScrutinizer | a rather good question though, for over there |
| 14:04.59 | XDS200010 | what does harmattan stand for ? |
| 14:05.12 | SpeedEvil | All maemo variants are named for winds |
| 14:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict harmattan |
| 14:05.18 | SpeedEvil | Desert winds |
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| 14:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | so obviously sth not very comforting |
| 14:06.24 | XDS200010 | why didn't they just namer it desertwind? , harmattan is hard to remember |
| 14:06.30 | XDS200010 | name* |
| 14:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't fremantle also some wind? |
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| 14:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict fremantle |
| 14:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 14:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like s stinky village in USA |
| 14:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | googles |
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| 14:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | western Australia, meh |
| 14:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | 25.000 residents |
| 14:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | basically a suburb of Perth |
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| 14:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/LocationSearch?collection=Census&period=2006&areacode=SSC51501&producttype=QuickStats&breadcrumb=PL&action=401 |
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| 14:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like Fremantle is a place where ~7000 old grumpy heathen unmarried managers live and scare all women out of the village XP |
| 14:20.25 | kerio | that's called the internet |
| 14:28.48 | Raimu | *drum fill* |
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| 15:05.27 | RST38h | yawns, asks how are things |
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| 15:14.58 | javispedro | RST38h: same as yesterday =) |
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| 15:16.23 | RST38h | javispedro: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3008/18872479.6/0_6f004_258941c6_L ? |
| 15:18.03 | javispedro | beatiful combination of internet cats and optimistic predictions about the human future? |
| 15:18.26 | RST38h | javispedro: ...and it is titled "December" to wrap it off. |
| 15:18.45 | javispedro | lol |
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| 17:09.31 | PPPP | Hello :) guys when i start flashing my device (eMMC) it always stops on 20% .. the progress last for seconds.. |
| 17:09.36 | PPPP | any one can help ?! |
| 17:10.01 | PPPP | no errors appear |
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| 17:13.35 | PPPP_ | no help :/ ? |
| 17:13.51 | NIN101 | be patient |
| 17:14.01 | NIN101 | we are not here 24/7 |
| 17:14.14 | PPPP_ | yeah i know but maybe someone here can help |
| 17:14.20 | NIN101 | just wait. |
| 17:14.24 | PPPP_ | i can't use my phone anymore you know |
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| 17:54.18 | pbpbp | Hello :) any one can help ? |
| 17:56.34 | dm8tbr | don't ask to ask |
| 17:57.37 | pbpbp | ohh you are here |
| 17:57.41 | pbpbp | you can help me |
| 17:57.51 | pbpbp | listen carefully ok |
| 17:58.08 | dm8tbr | no, but if you ask your question someone could... |
| 17:58.28 | NIN101 | rules for IRC: just ask and stick around. nothing more. |
| 17:58.47 | SpeedEvil | Also, don't be a dick. |
| 17:59.23 | pbpbp | i start flashing the eMMC image using the flasher.. the progress always ends on 20% (just take few seconds) then the window close |
| 17:59.34 | pbpbp | no any errors |
| 18:00.04 | pbpbp | whats the problem there ? |
| 18:00.41 | SpeedEvil | open uip the command line, and then run it again |
| 18:00.45 | SpeedEvil | See what the errors are |
| 18:01.13 | pbpbp | told you no errors.. just like that |
| 18:01.24 | dm8tbr | are you on windows? |
| 18:01.30 | pbpbp | yeah windows 7 |
| 18:03.33 | pbpbp | :/ |
| 18:05.47 | pbpbp | SpeedEvil dm8tbr |
| 18:06.05 | SpeedEvil | Odd |
| 18:06.39 | pbpbp | so what should i do :/ ? |
| 18:06.45 | pbpbp | i can't run my phone anymore? |
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| 18:08.31 | SpeedEvil | If you set it up so that the window doesn't close - are there errors? |
| 18:09.09 | pbpbp | i didn't try that |
| 18:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | obviously the windows flasher is some POS that opens a new dosbox even when invoked from cmdline, and it closes that new dosbox on termination of the cmd |
| 18:10.30 | pbpbp | how can i set it to not to close ? |
| 18:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | pbpbp: try flashing rootfs/COMBINED first, then eMMC/VANILLA. If VANILLA flashing works then, you have to flash rootfs/COMBINED *again* |
| 18:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | and also you should use linux, as windows flashing is cumbersome - obviously |
| 18:11.53 | pbpbp | it is the same for the rootfs.. 20% then close |
| 18:12.05 | pbpbp | i have ubuntu |
| 18:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | fine :-) |
| 18:12.24 | pbpbp | will it make a difference ? |
| 18:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | to windows? definitely |
| 18:12.36 | pbpbp | windows to linux ? |
| 18:12.47 | pbpbp | i hope it works .. |
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| 18:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | at least you'll get good non-volatile diagnostic output on linux. No closing windows or similar nonsense |
| 18:14.16 | pbpbp | okk guys thank you very much i will try using linux :) |
| 18:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | also see: |
| 18:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 18:14.34 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 21:56.04 | trist4n | can anyone tell me where msn passwords are stored |
| 21:56.23 | trist4n | i can see email details in gcconftool, but seemingly no msn |
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| 21:57.56 | NIN101 | can it be /home/user/.rtcom-accounts? Just a guess. |
| 22:00.02 | trist4n | apparently it was moved in pr 1.2 |
| 22:00.08 | trist4n | from there. |
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| 22:06.19 | HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer, got another theoretical question for you about cell towers etc ;P |
| 22:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | shoot |
| 22:06.43 | HyperSnyper | heh that was fast |
| 22:06.56 | HyperSnyper | http://opensource.srlabs.de/projects/catcher/wiki |
| 22:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | fast? well, usual IRQ service times are lower on a decent system |
| 22:07.22 | HyperSnyper | IMSI Catcher Catcher.. for detcting that IMSI exploit |
| 22:07.36 | HyperSnyper | was just wondering is much of that possible currently on n900 |
| 22:08.04 | NIN101 | ah that was part of a 28c3 talk. |
| 22:08.13 | HyperSnyper | Osmocom also looks pretty interesting |
| 22:08.17 | NIN101 | indeed |
| 22:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | S1 L1 2 3 5 7? 9? 10? might be possible |
| 22:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | alas BB% doesn't expose the info needed for the rest |
| 22:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | BB5* |
| 22:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | for all I know |
| 22:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | if it does then I dunno about it |
| 22:13.19 | HyperSnyper | thxs, i might try and get inspired to look into it abit more |
| 22:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | it'd be nice if somebody would RE/disassemble the cmt firmware to find what actually can get done regarding service mode etc |
| 22:14.22 | HyperSnyper | do you know much of that Osmocom ? |
| 22:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | the ISI specs are not helpful on that, for obvious reasons |
| 22:14.58 | HyperSnyper | only see one metion of it related to n900 through google about someone called "Mickey Lauer" |
| 22:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: well, apart from talking with Harald Welte about it, not THAT much ;-D |
| 22:15.03 | HyperSnyper | "Mickey Lauer is rewriting the N900 modem handling part" |
| 22:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | irrelevant |
| 22:15.26 | HyperSnyper | heh |
| 22:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | that's nothing more than a replacement for our libisi |
| 22:16.00 | HyperSnyper | ok |
| 22:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | the interesting things happen inside BB5, before anything gets into APE land via ISI interface |
| 22:16.52 | SpeedEvil | You can't do anything 'interesting' on n900, unless you crack the security on the modem, and run code on it |
| 22:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | and you can not rewrite the BB5 firmware, as it's signed |
| 22:17.21 | SpeedEvil | It's going to be at best tricky. |
| 22:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | you can however disassemble and see what "hidden goodies" are already there |
| 22:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'm rather sure they got some low level debugging mode interface in ISI |
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| 22:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | similar or even identical to age old Nokia system monitor |
| 22:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | as to be found and documented at nobbi.com |
| 22:20.32 | HyperSnyper | only reversing i've ever done is some basic cracme.exe's |
| 22:20.34 | HyperSnyper | heh |
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| 22:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | oooh L13 - available |
| 22:21.22 | HyperSnyper | i'm guessing most of the catcher catcher flags wouldn't be applicable to any network/operator based tracking ? |
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| 22:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | none |
| 22:21.54 | HyperSnyper | thought so |
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| 22:25.46 | HyperSnyper | thxs for the feedback, appreciated. |
| 22:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | yw, thanks for mentioning the URL |
| 22:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | actually I wasn't aware of this nice lil fancy |
| 22:27.28 | HyperSnyper | i'd remebered reading about on old "tmobile" i think it wa mobile signal booster that had ben exploited to use in MITM attacks, just decided to look into that again, and found that instead |
| 22:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: you might want to /join #osmocom |
| 22:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | not sure though if "noobs" like me or you are welcome there |
| 22:29.47 | HyperSnyper | good to know ;P |
| 22:30.12 | HyperSnyper | i'm fairly sure ur a diff class to my noob level |
| 22:31.38 | HyperSnyper | ahh it was vodafone xploit, just found it |
| 22:31.39 | HyperSnyper | "Vodafone Femtocell Hack" |
| 22:31.44 | HyperSnyper | http://wiki.thc.org/vodafone |
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| 22:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | femtocells, HAH |
| 22:33.14 | HyperSnyper | gota love the 6 character alphabetic lower case only root password |
| 22:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | a pity I'm not involved into network signalling for those Thor chips |
| 22:40.05 | kerio | hm, how does a femtocell work, with the limited upload bandwidth of most home connections? |
| 22:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | you're not supposed to use a femtocell when your bandwith over the wire is too low for even a single call |
| 22:40.57 | HyperSnyper | looks like it's not just black hats using IMSI catching MITM's > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/30/metropolitan-police-mobile-phone-surveillance |
| 22:40.59 | kerio | and who's going to STOP ME |
| 22:41.01 | HyperSnyper | "Britain's largest police force is operating covert surveillance technology that can masquerade as a mobile phone network" |
| 22:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: IMSI catchers are 99.99% used by law enforcement |
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| 22:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | since ~20 years now |
| 22:42.19 | HyperSnyper | would they spoof legit cell id's ? |
| 22:42.58 | kerio | how would they handle a data connection? |
| 22:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | sure, of some legit cell in a remote area - what'S a legit cellid? is 563412 legit? is it not? |
| 22:43.06 | kerio | an encrypted data connection? |
| 22:43.07 | HyperSnyper | true |
| 22:43.21 | HyperSnyper | i was going more by that app that can pull ap lat:long on google maps |
| 22:43.25 | kerio | i mean, the n900 can use sip through a ssh tunnel |
| 22:43.32 | HyperSnyper | that must be getting daat from some DB somewhere |
| 22:43.52 | HyperSnyper | if you could set location with gps and then check against that db of rough cell tower lactions |
| 22:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: IMSI catchers are for GSM voice calls |
| 22:44.01 | HyperSnyper | then notify if say over 10 miles out |
| 22:44.12 | kerio | hah, sucks for them, i don't talk on the phone |
| 22:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: feasible |
| 22:44.58 | HyperSnyper | Snuggle > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1025712 |
| 22:45.12 | HyperSnyper | "Geolocation using CellID and Google APIs Applications" |
| 22:45.37 | HyperSnyper | but if the norm is to just spoof local cell id that'd be pointless battery usage |
| 22:45.37 | HyperSnyper | :D |
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| 22:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | "some db smewhere" = openbmap |
| 22:46.25 | HyperSnyper | very good to know |
| 22:46.27 | HyperSnyper | :) |
| 22:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | hope they adoped my specs on how to buld up their database |
| 22:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | onen_openbmap promised he'll do |
| 22:47.37 | kerio | HyperSnyper: how about this - if you're going to talk about a felony on your phone, use an encrypted channel |
| 22:47.45 | HyperSnyper | wat ? |
| 22:48.49 | HyperSnyper | it's just somethign that interests me, i've no real need for it |
| 22:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | btw the Siemens C5 signalled in display when encryption been off |
| 22:49.08 | HyperSnyper | i wouldnt use any kind of digital communication if i need to discuss something like that |
| 22:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 22:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | and old IMSI catchers were cheap, had no encryption |
| 22:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | why encrypt when you're eavesdropping anyway ;-P |
| 22:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | there's exactly one secure communication channel: encrypted steganography in pictures on public HTML sites |
| 22:52.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: oh god |
| 22:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | all those photo gallery sites |
| 22:52.32 | kerio | tcp-over-4chan |
| 22:52.41 | HyperSnyper | hahaha |
| 22:52.56 | kerio | anyway, secure for what? |
| 22:52.59 | HyperSnyper | imgur sure does get some crazy traffic on some pics |
| 22:53.14 | kerio | for plausible deniability, you can use OTR messaging |
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| 22:53.40 | kerio | if you just want to avoid eavesdroppers, ssh on a previously-known host is enough |
| 22:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | no, definitely not enough |
| 22:54.06 | kerio | why not? |
| 22:54.28 | HyperSnyper | id want atleast 7 hops |
| 22:54.29 | HyperSnyper | ;P |
| 22:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | a) ssh can be cracked, b) your server can already be rooted, c) they still register the fact of communication |
| 22:55.08 | HyperSnyper | carrier pigeons in tinfoil hats!! |
| 22:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 22:55.22 | kerio | they register the fact that you communicated with a third party server in china |
| 22:55.34 | kerio | and your phone can already be rooted |
| 22:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | good luck with THAT one ;-P |
| 22:55.42 | kerio | ssh being cracked... let's hope not! :( |
| 22:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | there's been that notorious vulnerability in secure socket passwords for almost years |
| 22:57.00 | kerio | >passwords |
| 22:57.05 | HyperSnyper | always needs > alota hops + time delay + plausable deniability |
| 22:57.06 | kerio | >almost 2012 |
| 22:57.12 | kerio | wtfamireading |
| 22:57.14 | HyperSnyper | imo |
| 22:57.36 | HyperSnyper | oh and encryption thats not broken |
| 22:57.47 | kerio | HyperSnyper: that's when you need deniability |
| 22:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | pictures on tmo |
| 22:57.55 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 22:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely deniable |
| 22:58.02 | kerio | the one place where nobody would bother to check? |
| 22:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | they can check for steganography until they get blue in the face |
| 22:58.49 | HyperSnyper | can you do deniable steno in pictures ? |
| 22:59.13 | kerio | sure |
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| 22:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | not stenography, steganography |
| 22:59.46 | HyperSnyper | googles |
| 23:00.46 | HyperSnyper | ahh hideen within the data not with the data ;P |
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| 23:01.48 | jani | there was interesting project which utilizes steganography with routing around censorship firewalls .. |
| 23:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | sure - you can *not* detect stegano |
| 23:02.43 | HyperSnyper | i've never read much about steganography, interesting area |
| 23:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | the downside is the S/N ratio |
| 23:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | like filler material is eating up 99.9% of your bandwidth |
| 23:03.13 | jani | http://telex.cc |
| 23:04.31 | SpeedEvil | You can't detect it reliably, but you can say the noise is wrong |
| 23:04.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: btw, your plan is now fucked, because you talked about using steganography with pics on TMO on the internet |
| 23:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you can't, if you add noise to the filler first |
| 23:05.07 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | and crypt the data |
| 23:05.18 | SpeedEvil | I mean, comparing with known images drom a camera |
| 23:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure, then you can do a lot |
| 23:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: how's it fsckd? you won't find the watersigns in the pictures I already uploaded, and you won't find the hidden messages in my future picture uploads |
| 23:06.57 | kerio | of course i won't |
| 23:07.09 | kerio | i wouldn't touch tmo with a 10-foot pole |
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| 23:07.20 | HyperSnyper | looks for cat pictures posted by DocScrutinizer |
| 23:07.41 | kerio | HyperSnyper: :3 |
| 23:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.pennystore/joerg900.10129 |
| 23:07.54 | badcloud_ | is there some way to tweak microb so that it opens new windows in the background? |
| 23:08.47 | badcloud_ | or open any program in maemo as a background window for that matter? |
| 23:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 23:09.51 | badcloud_ | crudcrap |
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| 23:57.27 | pronto | http://i.imgur.com/7ShJT.jpg :D yerbma mate and rumstuff |
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