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| 00:28.12 | XDS200010 | And I lost my last system state unfortunately , is there a backup somewhere by any chance ? |
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| 00:30.49 | NIN101 | XDS200010: backupmenu should be interesting for you. |
| 00:31.09 | XDS200010 | Been looking at that, its still in its infancy |
| 00:31.52 | XDS200010 | Can flasher be used to create a backup? |
| 00:32.23 | NIN101 | no |
| 00:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | wut? backupmenu in its infancy? NAH |
| 00:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | there's no way to do a true disk image - backupmenu is as close as it gets |
| 00:34.02 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: Why? |
| 00:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | it backups a full logical image of / and /home, and you can restore those files, after you flashed to a clean fresh system with only backupmenu installed |
| 00:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | why what? |
| 00:34.24 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't backup the kernel however. |
| 00:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, and that'S something no tool will probably be able to do |
| 00:34.47 | XDS200010 | Why is there no way to do a true disk image ? |
| 00:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | because that's NAND, and NAND has bad block management integrated into filesystem |
| 00:35.34 | XDS200010 | How are custom roms made then ? |
| 00:35.47 | XDS200010 | Such as Pwn etc etc. |
| 00:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | what's a custom rom? |
| 00:37.02 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: What is your primary language of origin ? |
| 00:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | how is that relevant here? |
| 00:37.43 | XDS200010 | I'd like to know who im talking to ? |
| 00:37.47 | NIN101 | grabs some popcorn. |
| 00:39.14 | XDS200010 | There are many people on the internet who speak other languages other than english thats why i ask. |
| 00:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | well, incl dialects like COBOL I speak ~35 languages |
| 00:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | still missing the link |
| 00:41.39 | XDS200010 | DocScrutinizer: That's why I asked what the primary one is. |
| 00:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, you *could* look into mtd_debug and do full binary images, using backupmenu's concole |
| 00:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | the primary and only language on this channel is English |
| 00:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | (mtd_debug) or nanddump and nandwrite |
| 00:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | I actually sugested we could include that into backupmenu, as a way to create kernel backups |
| 00:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | but for now there's no tool (yet) that could do a binary "disk"-image directly |
| 00:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | since for running any tool on N900 you always need a working system first, and flashing a working system always includes flashing the embedded kernel (unless you explicitly exclude it), the use of creating kernel image backups is somewhat questionable |
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| 00:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | creating a fiasco image to flash that via flasher is basically also feasible, but nobody bothered yet to create such a obviously best PC based tool |
| 00:50.23 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: flasher -l |
| 00:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: ?? |
| 00:51.29 | NIN101 | loads a kernel, which then can load initrd, or use a partition on the microsd as /, so eh... |
| 00:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | yes, sure |
| 00:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: so maybe you want to answer >>[2011-12-29 01:34:46] <XDS200010> Why is there no way to do a true disk image ? << |
| 00:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | simple answer: because nobody created a tool for that yet? |
| 00:54.43 | NIN101 | well yes. nevermind. |
| 00:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | obviously >>[2011-12-29 01:34:43] <DocScrutinizer> exactly, and that'S something no tool will probably be able to do << was nonsense and you may not mind it |
| 00:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | should have been "no tool currently is able to do" |
| 00:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even "no *single* tool" |
| 01:00.56 | NIN101 | some though I have had for a while: putting backupmenu on some non-sucking initrd so you could restore a rootfs backup without reflashing first. But... I'm lazy. |
| 01:04.24 | XDS200010 | A simple .BAT --> LNK could execute a one click image swap. Is the flasher source code available ? |
| 01:06.53 | XDS200010 | I looked around in the SDK reps but didn't find anything for the host end of it |
| 01:07.36 | XDS200010 | Actually it looks as if its the only tool that isn't open. That's kinda dumb. |
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| 01:09.18 | LaoLang_cool | hello |
| 01:10.00 | XDS200010 | Hi LaoLang_cool |
| 01:10.08 | LaoLang_cool | does app-manager have cache dir? I want to find a app's package |
| 01:10.15 | LaoLang_cool | XDS200010: hi, morning here :) |
| 01:10.26 | XDS200010 | Evening here :) |
| 01:10.31 | LaoLang_cool | cool |
| 01:11.11 | XDS200010 | So the flasher tool is the only thing in the entire maemo world that isn't open |
| 01:11.21 | XDS200010 | Wow, what luck i freakin have |
| 01:11.43 | NIN101 | not true at all. there is much more not open... |
| 01:12.18 | XDS200010 | NIN101: Besides the radio and cpu firmware i don't see much else that isn't open |
| 01:12.59 | NIN101 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 01:13.16 | LaoLang_cool | hello |
| 01:13.19 | LaoLang_cool | need for help :) |
| 01:14.24 | NIN101 | /var/cache/apt |
| 01:14.30 | XDS200010 | NIN101: With all possible respect, whats your point ? Those are very stagnant |
| 01:14.58 | NIN101 | whatever. |
| 01:15.29 | XDS200010 | Many of those packages there are also 3rd party |
| 01:15.50 | XDS200010 | eg: Adobe,amazon hil |
| 01:16.03 | XDS200010 | setra setra setra setra |
| 01:16.09 | NIN101 | bla bla bla. |
| 01:17.28 | XDS200010 | NIN101: I'm trying to have a serious conversation here. I'm totally sick of having to re-install the power kernel/sets everytime i have to reset |
| 01:17.44 | XDS200010 | It gets old after the 10th time in the same day |
| 01:18.16 | XDS200010 | Not to mention dangerous if you fck somethin up |
| 01:20.36 | XDS200010 | I think what we need is a simple snapshot tool that can be used on the fly without mounting. |
| 01:27.28 | LaoLang_cool | NIN101: I can't find the app i've just installed via app-manager in that dir/archives :( |
| 01:27.38 | LaoLang_cool | I think that dir is for apps installed via apt-get |
| 01:32.34 | NIN101 | LaoLang_cool: hmm..., may be it has been cleaned up already. I am not aware of any other cache directories. |
| 01:33.58 | LaoLang_cool | NIN101: ok |
| 01:40.56 | NIN101 | good night |
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| 01:51.50 | XDS200010 | I think the bulk of my issues lay with conflicts between scripts setup with the power kernel and scripts that are used for the wI bleeding edge drivers |
| 01:55.43 | XDS200010 | However I want to be able to use features from both but without a easy way to switch between rom images things like this become incredibly tedious |
| 01:56.23 | bindi | anyone here know Qt/PySide and experienced with QTreeWidgets and feeling extremely helpful? :D |
| 01:56.36 | XDS200010 | bindi: sup |
| 01:56.56 | bindi | making my own irc client in python, barely know Qt |
| 01:57.12 | bindi | been going over docs and google for QTreeWidgets |
| 01:57.17 | XDS200010 | What ver Qt ? |
| 01:57.19 | bindi | 4 |
| 01:57.25 | XDS200010 | 4m,.\ |
| 01:57.32 | XDS200010 | grrr |
| 01:57.39 | XDS200010 | 4.7 ? |
| 01:57.46 | bindi | eh I think it's 4.8 |
| 01:58.48 | bindi | how do I do something as simple as adding a server, 2 channels under that, and then another server, and 2 channels under that |
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| 01:59.54 | HyperSnyper | if it was simple woudn't there already by a qt irc client ? |
| 01:59.55 | HyperSnyper | :P |
| 02:00.18 | bindi | only the gui is qt :< |
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| 02:07.43 | XDS200010 | HyperSnyper: That sword cuts both ways |
| 02:08.38 | XDS200010 | bindi: Are you just making the frontend ? |
| 02:08.44 | bindi | no, both :p |
| 02:08.55 | bindi | i'm good with the irc stuff |
| 02:09.00 | bindi | almsot done |
| 02:09.02 | bindi | almost* even |
| 02:09.30 | XDS200010 | wellvxcz |
| 02:09.30 | XDS200010 | vxcz |
| 02:09.43 | bindi | wut? :P |
| 02:09.56 | XDS200010 | well you gotta walk before you can run |
| 02:10.23 | bindi | right |
| 02:10.37 | bindi | i tried self.list.append(QTreeWidgetItem(None, 'jee')) and then self.chanlist.addTopLevelItems(self.list) |
| 02:10.41 | bindi | it just puts 'j' there |
| 02:11.17 | XDS200010 | any reason radio wont start? |
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| 02:12.40 | XDS200010 | }" |
| 02:29.34 | XDS200010 | .the radio app keeps closing when i try to launch it any ideas on what might be wrong ? |
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| 04:21.23 | XDS200010 | ok so conky on its own wont mess with FM Player but conky with the theme switcher will |
| 04:21.26 | XDS200010 | good to know |
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| 04:50.36 | beford | :3 |
| 04:51.07 | RavenII | ...did you just call me a troll...hahaha |
| 04:51.09 | RavenII | nice. |
| 04:51.43 | RavenII | Not trolling, I'm actually happy that people are still here, i haven't been here since..........shit 07? |
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| 04:55.11 | beford | heh, well I still use the n900 as my main phone. |
| 04:56.22 | RavenII | Nice, I wish I had GSM... |
| 04:57.00 | RavenII | I'm actually thinking of picking up a N810 Wimax and see if I could clone it to my Evo's Wimax certs... |
| 04:57.05 | RavenII | THAT would be awesome... |
| 04:57.15 | XDS200010 | Can you guys help with this one |
| 04:57.48 | XDS200010 | I'm following http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=77695 , however i can't remove gstreamer |
| 04:58.23 | XDS200010 | apt-get is saying osso-wlan depends on it |
| 04:58.48 | XDS200010 | actually i can't make out what the hell its saying |
| 04:59.00 | RavenII | I still love the 770. |
| 05:00.11 | XDS200010 | any thoughts would be helpful im stumped. I need dsp codecs and osso to live in the same setup |
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| 05:03.15 | XDS200010 | over 300 people in here, are like half of you all clones or bots lol |
| 05:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | are you a troll? |
| 05:03.58 | XDS200010 | Im sorry I don't understand you. |
| 05:10.56 | XDS200010 | this is the oddest and most cryptic error message ive ever seen by apt |
| 05:11.19 | XDS200010 | 0. upgraded 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded |
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| 12:59.05 | ij8 | Hi, could someone give me a link where I can read about volume control on maemo with hardware keys |
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| 14:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 14:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | meh, he's gone anyway |
| 14:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | drive-by askers >:-( |
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| 15:00.16 | zsw | NIN101: Using run-standalone.sh, the dbus-send command you pointed me to works from the cli. |
| 15:00.40 | zsw | Is there a nice way to add an icon for that command to the desktop? |
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| 15:05.34 | zsw | guly: Is there a doc for tying it all together? |
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| 15:22.40 | NIN101 | zsw: take a look at the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon and then create your own for your command. And then you can add it to desktop as usual. |
| 15:29.22 | zsw | NIN101: yes. Thank you again. |
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| 16:02.07 | dafox | hi. I recently became the proud owner of an n900. I've only just started to set it up, but it seems something went wrong. I just rebooted my phone and now there seems to be some problems with the screen repainting. Is there any way this can be related to the drop-bear package? The problems started when I installed drop-bear, and now that I've uninstalled it (and rebooted) the phone seems fine again. To me it would seem strange that an ssh package |
| 16:02.07 | dafox | could cause issues with screen repaint... |
| 16:02.39 | SpeedEvil | Seems unlikely |
| 16:02.45 | SpeedEvil | What sort of issues? |
| 16:03.16 | dafox | the phone seemed really sluggish and unresponsive, and sometimes only parts of the screen repaint |
| 16:03.51 | dafox | rebooting didn't fix it (tried a few times), but the first reboot after uninstalling dropbear everything is now back to normal |
| 16:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, that *might* be related |
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| 16:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest openssh |
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| 16:05.58 | dafox | my choice for dropbear was based on it being considered small/lean&mean, so if possible I'd try that one. You mentioned that it might be related, can yoiu please explain how? |
| 16:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | nothing special, maybe dropbear hugs CPU |
| 16:07.17 | dafox | top didn't show anything special though |
| 16:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | anyway dropbear is known to miss some nice features that openssh has, and actually size of the package isn't that much of an issue on N900, at least that sort of size |
| 16:08.21 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: ok, I'll try openssh. I didn't mean installation size but rather memory requirements :) |
| 16:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if xinetd is of any use on N900 |
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| 16:36.14 | dafox | this is very strange indeed, dropbear doesn't even seem to be running |
| 16:37.51 | HyperSnyper | anyone looked into the new WPA/2 WPS brute forcing ? |
| 16:37.56 | HyperSnyper | could be a nice addition ;P |
| 16:38.17 | HyperSnyper | http://www.tacnetsol.com/products/ |
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| 16:48.25 | badcloud_ | I'm going slightly mad trying to add files/dirs to mp3blaster |
| 16:48.51 | badcloud_ | <Enter> seems to print 'W' |
| 16:49.20 | ShadowJK | does ctrl-j or ctrl-m work better? |
| 16:49.33 | badcloud_ | ShadowJK: sec, trying |
| 16:50.34 | badcloud_ | ctrl-m worked :) |
| 16:50.37 | badcloud_ | thankss |
| 16:50.52 | badcloud_ | :)) |
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| 17:15.03 | dafox | ok, tried dropbear again, same issue. I can't see why, cpu usage seems normal and the package doesn't seem to install any strange files. The only odd issue is that it also doesn't seem to automatically start at boot. I've now installed openssh which seems to work fine, Setting up keybased login was a bit of a hassle but that works now too. Thanks :) |
| 17:18.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 17:19.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | badcloud ahould get that NK-enter bugfix, or simply switch to CSSU :-) |
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| 17:35.52 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: was that a response to me? Because I've already installed the cssu :) |
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| 17:38.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | badcloud |
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| 17:44.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | to badcloud |
| 17:46.02 | Shapeshifter | How can I lock my phone to landscape mode when using cssu? I don't want portrait mode anywhere, if possible. |
| 17:46.58 | Shapeshifter | mhh wait. just realized I habe orientation lock in my status area |
| 17:47.13 | Shapeshifter | good thing it exists, portrait mode is a nusance. |
| 17:47.22 | Shapeshifter | s/nu/nui/ |
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| 17:59.56 | dafox | is it possible to have the option to select which kernel to boot when starting the phone? I'm thinking of installing kernel-power, but I'd like to be able to fall-back to the stock kernel if possible. I've been googling a bit but I mostly see stuff about dual booting meego (which I'm not interested in atm) |
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| 18:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot is what you want, but honestly for powerkernel you won't want it |
| 18:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | powerkernel is stable enough and feature-complete regarding stock kernel |
| 18:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say |
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| 18:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, if you really want a dualboot setup, then uBoot is for you, just you have to set it up for your special needs |
| 18:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | of course there's also multiboot, but that's absolutely deprecated, and may and occasionally *will* brick your device, so you might even need to do a full reflash to recover from multiboot doing exactly what the name says ;-D : boot infinite number of times in a loop |
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| 18:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot works by basically flashing a new kernel and moving around kernel modules, from userland, then rebooting into the wanted kernel (AFAIK). The problem with that concept is that space on rootfs gets sparse when keeping two kernel module sets there, so you need to copy from eMMC, and you need to flash new matching kernel, and there's a rather large window of time where device won'T boot due to kernel/modules mismatch, when you for |
| 18:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | some reason shutdown during all that copying&flashing process |
| 18:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | result: deadlock. not boting, so no way to recover from half-installed kernel modules |
| 18:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | --> reflash, hard, with PC and flasher |
| 18:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | just on a sidenote: kernel gets flashed to NAND, and that has a limited number of write cycles until it is worn and your device definitely bricked forever |
| 18:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | so multiboot is *deprecated* |
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| 18:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 18:16.45 | infobot | maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
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| 18:22.01 | javispedro | N90 did NOT have native VPN client, I am right? |
| 18:22.04 | javispedro | *N900 |
| 18:22.14 | javispedro | I mean, stock. |
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| 18:27.38 | dafox | DocScrutinizer: wow, thanks for the detailed explanation! One additional question: I see that the 'stable' kernel-power version is 42, wheares the latest version is 49. Which one do you recommend for best results? |
| 18:28.03 | dafox | I'm assuming 49, but I'm a bit weary since it's in extras-devel only? |
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| 18:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: IIRC 49 should be stable again, after 47, 48 had some "minor issues" |
| 18:29.08 | dafox | Ok, thank you, I'm going to try 49 then :) |
| 18:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | if any problems arise, you pike pali here in this chan, he'smaintainer of PK ;-D |
| 18:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | poke* |
| 18:29.57 | dafox | got it |
| 18:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not aware of users recently encountering major issues with PK frequently. Usually it should "just work" |
| 18:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nope, never heard of native VPN on N900 |
| 18:39.46 | NIN101 | hmm, what happened to the guy who tried to move /home/ and MyDocs to microsd? |
| 18:40.05 | Sicelo | iirc he suceeded |
| 18:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | he's sitting in front of a laptop, reading your comment, and wondering why he didn't do it yet |
| 18:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 18:40.32 | Sicelo | huh? |
| 18:40.54 | NIN101 | ah yeah it's on your todo list :P |
| 18:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell, I just pondered, not tried |
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| 18:41.34 | Sicelo | wasn't there someone both of u helped? |
| 18:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, moment. Nah I pondered to move ALL to uSD and basicaly clone fremantle so I could dualboot into two rootfs |
| 18:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | yes, there's been somebody, quite some time ago |
| 18:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what became of him |
| 18:43.04 | NIN101 | yeah I mean that user, starting with "u" |
| 18:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | user__ ? ;-P |
| 18:43.43 | NIN101 | :-) |
| 18:43.48 | Sicelo | i think he made it. if i remember he tried to write something on t.m.o as well :/ |
| 18:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | rrright |
| 18:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | chanlog *might* help |
| 18:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | though missing any decent grep string |
| 18:44.58 | Sicelo | yeah. i'm just on slooow gprs right now :P |
| 18:45.15 | NIN101 | starts to track him down. |
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| 18:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | given the low number of users starting with u, you could grep for "u* joined" |
| 18:46.49 | NIN101 | "UberNeo" |
| 18:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | AAAH |
| 18:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | right |
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| 18:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | but, do I reacall him killing his N900? |
| 18:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm wrong |
| 18:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen uberneo |
| 18:48.51 | infobot | uberneo <2e07f840@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.7.248.64> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 19h 25m 34s ago, saying: 'whenever i start QMLReddit'. |
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| 18:49.55 | NIN101 | ah yeah his dbus gone crazy. |
| 18:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 18:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | as long as his USB didn't fall out |
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| 18:51.16 | Sicelo | it wasnt that one. are u sure his nick wasn't f* |
| 18:51.40 | Sicelo | or had f somewhere in the middle |
| 18:52.15 | NIN101 | after the mmc<>microsd swap some stock programs stopped to work and dbus consumed lots of CPU |
| 18:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | dbus scripting turned into a forkbomb when once I "accidentally" placed a plain shell script into the /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ dir |
| 18:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | rright, there was this user who got a dead eMMC |
| 18:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | was this uberneo? |
| 18:53.33 | NIN101 | yes |
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| 18:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | so I was right his device was zombie state anyway |
| 18:54.17 | Sicelo | hmmm :P |
| 18:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't blame dbus |
| 18:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | though it should've worked, I thought |
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| 18:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: right, I recall now we swapped the whole eMMC against uSD, system wide |
| 18:56.47 | NIN101 | yep. |
| 18:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | not just moving /home to uSD |
| 18:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | raher moving uSD phy to eMMC |
| 18:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | would've been nice if it panned out |
| 18:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | I guess he gave up and got himself a cryPhone |
| 18:59.45 | NIN101 | hahaha, likely :-). |
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| 19:10.55 | NIN101 | interesting to see a guy posting a thread with questions he asked yesterday here on IRC and which have been answered. |
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| 19:13.06 | gomiam | NIN101: of course. Why would he trust anonymous users on IRC over anonymous users on a web forum? ;) |
| 19:14.09 | javispedro | NIN101: answered by the same guys on IRC? :D |
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| 19:20.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | NIN101: his nick? |
| 19:21.47 | NIN101 | javispedro: now, yes :P. ; DocScrutinizer51: he was "user___" on IRC here and "justanuser" on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1143213 |
| 19:22.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha |
| 19:23.33 | Sicelo | lol. i remember him |
| 19:25.23 | RST38h | moos, wonders what is new and exciting |
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| 19:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | there's never anything new under the sun |
| 19:40.55 | Sicelo | this Old Abe desperate for brand new N900 on tmo looks more like a troll than anything else :/ |
| 19:42.54 | NIN101 | ~tmo |
| 19:42.55 | infobot | i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 19:43.27 | NIN101 | even though I am a member, the definition is funny :D |
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| 19:50.42 | jaska | lol |
| 19:50.55 | jaska | i always read it as troll.maemo.org |
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| 22:22.49 | JakDaRippa | i have a Nokia N900. the 'Memory for installable applications' reads '247.5 MB available'. is this considered alot? how do i free up some space? |
| 22:24.05 | beford | mine says 1.05 gb |
| 22:24.09 | beford | so I guess its not alot |
| 22:24.55 | beford | do you have a lot of applications installed JakDaRippa ? |
| 22:25.40 | JakDaRippa | i haven't installed very much at all...fmms, transmission, angry birds, hermes, irssi, rdesktop, recorder, smplayer and symfonie |
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| 22:27.44 | HELP | guys help help help got problem flashing my device |
| 22:28.06 | JakDaRippa | getting rid of angry birds, rdesktop, smplayer and symfonie. i'll see what's available then |
| 22:28.22 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 22:28.22 | infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:28.31 | Guest29093 | i saw already thi |
| 22:28.32 | Guest29093 | this |
| 22:28.34 | SpeedEvil | Angry birds is not reinstallable |
| 22:28.36 | Guest29093 | but i have problem |
| 22:28.41 | Guest29093 | don't know from what |
| 22:28.42 | SpeedEvil | As the download site went away |
| 22:28.57 | SpeedEvil | IIRC symphonie is quite large |
| 22:28.59 | beford | SpeedEvil, ovi for maemo is dead? |
| 22:29.06 | beford | or just angrybirds for maemo |
| 22:29.31 | SpeedEvil | I think ovi died closing on a year ago |
| 22:29.32 | Guest29093 | when i press the u and connect the usb.. it connect.. in the flahser it start to do the kb count then stop within seconds and .. wtf ? |
| 22:30.12 | JakDaRippa | ok, so i'll leave angry birds |
| 22:30.20 | beford | well not that I really used it but damn |
| 22:30.40 | Guest29093 | please help :S |
| 22:31.17 | SpeedEvil | Guest29093: 'kb count' ? |
| 22:31.31 | Guest29093 | yeah in flasher on the pc .. |
| 22:31.44 | Guest29093 | percentage |
| 22:31.53 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 22:32.05 | Guest29093 | within seconds it stops |
| 22:32.06 | SpeedEvil | Does it say it's completed? |
| 22:32.09 | SpeedEvil | Or what's the error? |
| 22:32.10 | Guest29093 | no |
| 22:32.21 | Guest29093 | the window close fast |
| 22:32.35 | beford | paste the whole thing Guest29093 |
| 22:32.38 | Guest29093 | flasher-3.5.exe -F EMMC_By.MiDO.FaYad.8.giga.bin -f |
| 22:32.39 | beford | how come? are you using Windows? |
| 22:32.42 | Guest29093 | this you mean ? |
| 22:32.44 | beford | openm a CMD.ee first |
| 22:32.46 | Guest29093 | yeah windows |
| 22:32.47 | beford | cmd.exe |
| 22:32.57 | beford | and type the command there, it should not close |
| 22:33.07 | Guest29093 | percentage about 20% then stops and close the window |
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| 22:33.21 | beford | flashing EMMC only? |
| 22:33.27 | beford | I think that doesn't work |
| 22:33.42 | Guest29093 | eemc means the device memory right ? |
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| 22:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:34.11 | beford | embedded memory controller, internal memory yes, but not the operative system memory |
| 22:34.28 | Guest29093 | ohh lool then the problem with the file ? |
| 22:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | embedded MultiMediaCard |
| 22:34.40 | beford | :3 |
| 22:34.51 | beford | I always get it wrong |
| 22:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | please re-download your file first |
| 22:35.17 | Guest29093 | should i download the offical one ?! |
| 22:35.19 | beford | that doesn't look like an official firmware you could brick your device |
| 22:35.24 | beford | definitvely |
| 22:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | and please store it under original name |
| 22:35.45 | Guest29093 | this file from maemo website |
| 22:35.52 | Guest29093 | in nitdroid page |
| 22:36.01 | Guest29093 | it says flash custom 8gb apps |
| 22:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | beford: flashing eMMC hardly bricks the device - actually N900 is (almost) unbrickable |
| 22:36.18 | beford | I said could :3 |
| 22:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | EEEEK |
| 22:36.19 | beford | :P |
| 22:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | stay away from nitdroid |
| 22:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | ! |
| 22:36.45 | Guest29093 | whyy ?! |
| 22:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | becuase it gets you where you are now ;-P |
| 22:37.20 | Guest29093 | :S |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | you can't flash random crap to eMMC |
| 22:38.03 | beford | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | you need to flash latest official Nokia EMMC image |
| 22:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | the you *need* to flash COMBINED, after flashing EMMC |
| 22:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | then* |
| 22:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | see: |
| 22:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 22:38.52 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:39.01 | Guest29093 | i got a headache guys |
| 22:39.07 | Guest29093 | didn't get anything |
| 22:39.17 | Guest29093 | stupid me :S |
| 22:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | read that link! read ALL OF IT |
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| 22:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | flash original NOKIA stuff |
| 22:39.38 | beford | I suppose the phone is not starting now, does it? |
| 22:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | as adviced on that page I gave the link above |
| 22:39.57 | Guest29093 | is there a link ? my Product ID not valid |
| 22:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 22:40.08 | Guest29093 | no it doesn't start anymore |
| 22:40.37 | beford | product id to get the firmware? its the wlan mac if I remember correctly, get it from your phone |
| 22:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | IMEI |
| 22:40.56 | beford | :" |
| 22:41.02 | Guest29093 | i know here it is not working lool |
| 22:41.05 | beford | I have not flashed in a while |
| 22:41.08 | Guest29093 | where* |
| 22:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | Guest29093: sorry, please be more elaborate and specific on your questions/problem-descriptions/etc |
| 22:41.54 | beford | make sure you are not trying to download n8x0 firmware with you n900 imei .. |
| 22:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's all on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | incl right URL to get flasher tool and firmware images |
| 22:42.30 | Guest29093 | oh oh stupid me i wrote the code with slashes "/" lol |
| 22:42.55 | Guest29093 | which firmware image should i download ? |
| 22:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | *latest* |
| 22:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | see right col |
| 22:43.20 | Guest29093 | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | and the COMBINED, also latest |
| 22:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | preferably international version, unless you definitely need a localized version |
| 22:45.23 | Guest29093 | so 2 files ? |
| 22:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:46.07 | JakDaRippa | got rid of rdesktop, smplayer and symfonie. now i have 258.2 MB available. not much difference. |
| 22:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | usually you don't want nor need to reflash VANILLA, but since you already did, you now have to finish that job |
| 22:46.24 | beford | something else is filling |
| 22:46.32 | beford | try df -h from xterminal |
| 22:46.56 | JakDaRippa | DocScrutinizer: is there another way to make more memory available for installable applications? |
| 22:47.13 | SpeedEvil | Why do you think you need more? |
| 22:47.13 | Guest29093 | thats what i was trying to do |
| 22:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | first find out about true free space |
| 22:47.24 | Guest29093 | cuz of nitdroid |
| 22:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | Guest29093: yes, and that'S absolutely correct |
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| 22:48.28 | JakDaRippa | the device has 2.70GB available |
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| 22:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: nope |
| 22:48.50 | JakDaRippa | just thought i was running low. device seems a little slow these days |
| 22:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing as "the device" |
| 22:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | there's /, /home, MyDocs |
| 22:49.32 | JakDaRippa | my nokia n900 is running slower these days (or so it seems) |
| 22:49.48 | JakDaRippa | ah, oki |
| 22:50.19 | Guest29093 | after i download the 2 files and put'em in the file.. what command should i use ? |
| 22:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: df -h /home |
| 22:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: df -h / |
| 22:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | both |
| 22:51.14 | Guest29093 | with -R or without ? |
| 22:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | paste the 2 result lines here (not the headers please) |
| 22:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | Guest29093: please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting |
| 22:52.41 | Guest29093 | saw this i've got a monkey brain i don't understand |
| 22:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | 7th bullit there |
| 22:52.48 | Guest29093 | need someone to tell me everything lol |
| 22:53.01 | JakDaRippa | which line am i looking for to paste? there's alot of info here |
| 22:53.14 | Guest29093 | how can i use the modded 8gb emmc image ? |
| 22:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: df -h / |
| 22:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | gives you like 3 lines output |
| 22:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.50 | JakDaRippa | jsut did that. gave me about 15 lines of info |
| 22:53.54 | JakDaRippa | ok |
| 22:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | actually 2 per cmd |
| 22:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | you paste the 2nd for each of / and /home |
| 22:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | bbiam |
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| 22:56.20 | JakDaRippa | ./devmmcblk0p1 27.2G 24.5G 2.7G 90% /home/user/MyDocs |
| 22:57.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, means your MyDocsw is full with (probably) media |
| 22:57.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | not relevant here though |
| 22:57.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | please do df -h / |
| 22:57.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | with a / |
| 22:58.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | then do df -h /home |
| 22:58.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | none of both gives you more than 2 lines output |
| 22:59.36 | JakDaRippa | rootfs 227.8M 133.2M 90.3M 60% / |
| 22:59.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's pretty good |
| 22:59.54 | Guest29093 | ohhhh i understand now :D |
| 23:00.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | \o/ |
| 23:00.41 | JakDaRippa | dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 1.7G 169.9M 91% /home |
| 23:01.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | crowded but not yet crirical |
| 23:01.30 | Guest29093 | i will download vanilla and emmc then use the command without -R cuz i will flash the emmc that i download, right guys ? |
| 23:01.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | right |
| 23:01.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | almost |
| 23:02.01 | Guest29093 | horray my brain start working |
| 23:02.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | you never use -R when using the method at end of page |
| 23:02.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | it also states this |
| 23:02.41 | JakDaRippa | i have p90x and p90x2 on here, so that's all the media data you see |
| 23:02.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw vanilla and emmc are other names for same thing |
| 23:03.21 | Guest29093 | how the flasher gonna recognize the emmc file ? |
| 23:04.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | by the command you give it the name of the vanilla aka emmc .bin file |
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| 23:05.00 | Guest29093 | the command gives it only the COMBINED file |
| 23:05.18 | Guest29093 | flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 23:05.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, you first give command with VANILLA, then do same procedure again with COMBINED |
| 23:05.58 | Guest29093 | i have to do it twice ? |
| 23:06.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | please refer to URL I gave you |
| 23:06.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 23:06.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | for eMMC and rootfs |
| 23:06.27 | Guest29093 | man i read everything in the link 100 times |
| 23:06.38 | JakDaRippa | thank you guys |
| 23:06.38 | Guest29093 | english is not my native lang |
| 23:06.54 | JakDaRippa | have a safe and happy holiday |
| 23:07.08 | Guest29093 | DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 23:11.40 | Guest29093 | just last qustion |
| 23:11.58 | Guest29093 | The flash will take a minute or so. Switch off device by shortly removing battery |
| 23:12.09 | Guest29093 | how can i switch it off ? it won't work using the power button |
| 23:13.29 | Guest29093 | loool by shortly removing battery okk xD |
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