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| 08:59.26 | mihu | Hi. My N900 is connected via USB networking to my PC, no WiFi connection. I have setup networking on both sides so my PC and the N900 can speak to each other. Now I have written a Qt application which uses a QTcpSocket to connect to a service on my PC. While the connection and data transfer works fine, the call to connectToHost() brings up the "Select connection" dialog because apparently the N900 thinks that the USB networking connect |
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| 09:24.09 | xev | guys, its normal to see orange led blinking while charging.. drained battery... and n900 cant turn on |
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| 10:27.04 | merlin1991 | mihu: see menuentry "OpenELEC.tv debug" { |
| 10:27.05 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.05 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.05 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.05 | merlin1991 | } |
| 10:27.08 | merlin1991 | arf |
| 10:27.14 | merlin1991 | mihu: see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications |
| 10:27.17 | merlin1991 | copy fail :D |
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| 10:28.48 | mihu | merlin1991: Ah, thank you. That's what I have been looking for. |
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| 11:18.57 | Psi | has there been any update recently that might cause a n900 to randomly switch off |
| 11:20.22 | psycho_oreos | doubt it, then again it also depends on your setup |
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| 11:23.45 | Psi | twice in the last 2 weeks ive found my phone switched off |
| 11:24.18 | Psi | when it boots up it says it crashed and custom kernel settings havnt been loaded |
| 11:24.35 | psycho_oreos | probably ran out of power and/or faulty battery |
| 11:25.01 | Psi | isnt flat battery, as when i start it again battery is full and it runs for a whole day |
| 11:25.13 | Psi | could be bad battery connection |
| 11:25.21 | psycho_oreos | sometimes dmesg maybe useful |
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| 13:52.25 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:52.27 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. |
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| 14:02.32 | RST38h | DocS: Here? |
| 14:03.57 | RST38h | DocScrutinizer: You will absolutely love this one: http://media.scmagazineus.com/documents/23/1-main_5531.pdf |
| 14:04.10 | RST38h | (may want to scroll past the formal pages) |
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| 14:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | makes me feel nausea, each time I read such stuff |
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| 14:33.00 | RST38h | DocS: Lots of nausea lately =( |
| 14:34.58 | guly | i'm googlin for usb.h but i cannot find right package, can anyone help me? |
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| 15:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | guly: no |
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| 15:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | guly: because nobody knows what you need to feel helped |
| 15:02.51 | guly | <usb.h> |
| 15:02.54 | NIN101 | the answer is 42 eh, libusb-dev. |
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| 15:06.57 | guly | sure, i messed repository..thanks |
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| 15:08.35 | minze | hi there is there a possibility to gps-log found wifi-spots? |
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| 15:08.50 | minze | i tried it with kismet, but it didnt work sadly :( |
| 15:16.49 | minze | and is there a tool that regulary updates the wifi-list? |
| 15:17.01 | minze | i mean lets say, every 5sek for example :) |
| 15:17.10 | guly | wifeye |
| 15:17.28 | guly | *wifieye |
| 15:17.31 | minze | is it faster than the normal hildon-app? |
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| 15:18.19 | guly | it uses fancy color, so yes :) |
| 15:18.47 | minze | lol color doesnt matter, it could run in the console if it updates faster :D |
| 15:19.42 | minze | ahh everything i need :) |
| 15:19.50 | minze | even displays the strenght :) |
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| 15:21.25 | minze | love it already :) |
| 15:22.00 | minze | would be the killer-app if it would log the gps-data to the wifispots |
| 15:22.53 | guly | log at all is missin, IIRC :( |
| 15:23.04 | minze | yep sadly :( |
| 15:23.42 | minze | kismet should be able to do the job too, but didnt work here, will play around a bit with it, when i get some spare time :) |
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| 15:25.20 | minze | and what would you recommend as minimalistic gpslogger? |
| 15:25.37 | minze | just for track-logging, withouth maps and anything |
| 15:25.53 | Sicelo | location-test-gui |
| 15:26.21 | minze | it it possible to save it to lets say, a gpx-file? |
| 15:26.46 | ShadowJK | gpsjinni does that, iirc |
| 15:27.18 | minze | needs to be minimalistic and fast |
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| 15:51.01 | zsw | On my old blackberry, I could press a button, type a string (which ended up being the subject) and hit send. It would send an email to a predetermined address. I used it for reminders when I was out ang about. |
| 15:51.27 | zsw | If there a way I could add an icon to the desktop of my n900 to get the same functionality? |
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| 16:10.01 | NIN101 | basically if one would write a program like that, yes. Or something with that http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#New_e-mail |
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| 16:18.51 | zsw | NIN101: So would I change the "mailto:" to "mailto:foo@bar.com" ? |
| 16:19.02 | NIN101 | I think so. |
| 16:19.36 | zsw | I wonder where the subject goes? I don't really need to worry about the body. |
| 16:20.58 | guly | maybe mailto:foo@bar.com?subject=beerplease ? |
| 16:21.23 | NIN101 | as far as I understand it, modest (the e-mail program) will open. |
| 16:22.11 | zsw | ahh ok. I'll fiddling. Thanks for the direction. |
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| 18:31.19 | Jiri | could someone help me to installa power kernel to my n900 |
| 18:32.10 | Jiri | i try to install it from app manager but it doesn't work that way. I managed to get rooth but i don't know which command i should use to install power kernel |
| 18:33.07 | Sicelo | what happens when u try it from app manage? |
| 18:33.40 | Jiri | it says that it cannot install this program in finnish |
| 18:34.18 | Jiri | some kind of conflict |
| 18:36.24 | Sicelo | conflict with which program/package? |
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| 18:38.54 | Jiri | jees |
| 18:39.03 | Jiri | with the package |
| 18:39.29 | Jiri | kenel modelus-maemo |
| 18:39.43 | Jiri | kernel-maemo are the this are confict |
| 18:42.12 | Jiri | easy question how i can check which pr i am using at the moment |
| 18:43.23 | Sicelo | u can see that from going into Settings. at the bottom it says About Product. tell us that |
| 18:44.47 | badcloud_ | how do I change the shell environment for osso-xterm to bash? |
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| 18:45.09 | Jiri | it only tell my the version is that the right one 21.2011-38-1 |
| 18:45.16 | Sicelo | iirc that's not so safe badcloud_ |
| 18:45.28 | Sicelo | Jiri: u are on latest pr |
| 18:45.56 | badcloud_ | Sicelo: ok |
| 18:45.57 | Sicelo | btw, i think u have some kernel power already Jiri. what does `uname -a` say? |
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| 18:46.05 | badcloud_ | good to know :) |
| 18:46.30 | Sicelo | i'm not 100% sure badcloud_, but i kinda remember it being said here |
| 18:46.49 | Jiri | 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 18:48.46 | Jiri | is that some kind of power kernel |
| 18:48.51 | Sicelo | ok. i don't remember ever having that error about conflict in that situation. which Kernel are u trying to install? |
| 18:49.03 | Sicelo | no. u are on original/stock kernel |
| 18:49.10 | Jiri | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power |
| 18:49.47 | Jiri | app list i have tried all.. but linux kernel for power user |
| 18:51.59 | Sicelo | is that the one u are installing? linux kernel for power user? |
| 18:52.10 | Jiri | yes |
| 18:52.17 | Jiri | linux kernel for power user |
| 18:52.36 | Jiri | i have some times some problem with my internal memory i wondering if that the problem... |
| 18:53.11 | Sicelo | weird. u can install kernel from command line (i did) but others prefer u do kernel stuff via app manager |
| 18:53.55 | Jiri | well how i do that? |
| 18:54.34 | Sicelo | at your own risk ;) |
| 18:55.16 | Sicelo | apt-get install kernel-power |
| 18:55.30 | Jiri | well i tyr one more time reboot |
| 18:55.39 | Jiri | and if not working i will then try that |
| 18:56.00 | Sicelo | it should also force installation of kernel-power-modules, and kernel-power-flasher |
| 18:57.07 | Jiri | should i do that first before installing power kernel |
| 18:57.19 | Sicelo | what first? |
| 18:57.34 | Jiri | yes which one first ? |
| 18:57.36 | Jiri | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.38 | Jiri | kernel-power-flasher |
| 18:57.47 | Sicelo | apt-get install kernel-power will install the kernel and the dependencies automatically :) |
| 18:57.48 | Jiri | or power kernel |
| 18:57.54 | Jiri | ok |
| 18:58.40 | Sicelo | before u put in your yes, just make sure the other 2 packages will be installed |
| 18:58.48 | Jiri | when i am installing this power kernel should i have it connected to usb? |
| 18:59.40 | Sicelo | better not. i don't think it makes a difference, but it doesn't hurt to be safe |
| 19:00.12 | Jiri | ok |
| 19:03.10 | Jiri | one more thing i have extras devel on |
| 19:03.14 | Jiri | should i disable these? |
| 19:04.29 | Jiri | and some reason it takes very long time to load this app manager list |
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| 19:05.02 | Sicelo | iirc that's where kernel is. so i think u should leave it on. yes, it takes time, but that's 'normal' |
| 19:05.21 | Jiri | i have disable extras |
| 19:05.31 | Jiri | but the extras devel is on |
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| 19:09.25 | Jiri | sicelo is there way to make backup if something goes wrong i can allways reset this? |
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| 19:10.30 | Sicelo | normal backup application. u can also use robbiethe1st's BackupMenu. very good |
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| 19:16.15 | Jiri | but i mean kernel and the whole thing |
| 19:17.01 | Sicelo | backupmen is your tool |
| 19:17.13 | Sicelo | *backupmenu |
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| 19:58.59 | Jiri | ok i manged to make bakcup |
| 20:02.38 | Jiri | so if something goes horibly wrong i can allways but back this backup which i just made ? |
| 20:03.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 20:04.07 | Jiri | 20111228-1949-optfs.tar |
| 20:04.11 | Jiri | 20111228-1949-rootfs.tar |
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| 20:04.29 | Jiri | with these two files i don't need anything else ? |
| 20:04.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | except yur stuff on MyDocs, no |
| 20:05.40 | Jiri | yes but i allready backup these files with normal nokia suite |
| 20:05.54 | Jiri | ok so now to power kernel installation |
| 20:06.29 | Jiri | DocScrutinizer51 or do you know why i could not install this power kernel normally with app manager |
| 20:06.43 | Jiri | it says something about confict in kernel-module |
| 20:07.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | omm, sth went wrong on buildserver IIRC |
| 20:07.31 | Raimu | Anyone ever use Dropbear SSH on the n900? |
| 20:08.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably powerkernel is best installed from local dpkg files with dpkg -i |
| 20:08.34 | Jiri | ö? what? |
| 20:08.55 | Raimu | The binary in the extras repos is old now, last update to dropbear at large was this November. |
| 20:09.24 | Raimu | The author said he hasn't got a maemo dev setup anymore. |
| 20:09.52 | Raimu | Anyone interested to port the latest ver. ? |
| 20:10.05 | NIN101 | the repo is full of outdated software... for example openssh too, so if you want the newest version, compile them yourself. |
| 20:10.22 | Raimu | Yuo. |
| 20:10.28 | Raimu | *yup |
| 20:11.17 | Raimu | Gathering courage to do it - never compiled anything before save for something way back in 2000. |
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| 20:43.45 | Jiri | thank you Sicelo very much |
| 20:45.04 | Sicelo | yw ;) |
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| 21:00.39 | user__ | hi there :) |
| 21:01.16 | user__ | got some questions here regarding n900 and security :) |
| 21:01.54 | user__ | is there a possibility to savely wipe the n900 memory? |
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| 21:03.29 | user__ | and did yet anyone try to fully encrypr n900's partitions or atleast the partitions which contains sensitive data? |
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| 21:06.39 | NIN101 | I encrypted myDocs and the home partition |
| 21:07.10 | andre__ | I think truecrypt is available for the N900 |
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| 21:11.33 | user__ | NIN101: how long did that take, and did it affect performance badly? |
| 21:12.25 | user__ | and did you do it yourself, or is there a tutorial i could check therefore? |
| 21:15.40 | NIN101 | encrypting mmcblk0p2 (home) is kinda PITA, but possible. it didn't affect performance badly, not noticeable in daily use for me at least. yes, I did it myself, and there is a "tutorial" I wrote: http://216.189.8.164/N900/crypto/encrypted_home/README and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68419 |
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| 21:19.07 | Jiri | is there easy way to share my internet connection with bluetooth with n900? |
| 21:21.30 | user__ | bluetooth tethering? |
| 21:22.10 | user__ | not quite sure but i guess "mobile-hotspot" does that |
| 21:22.50 | user__ | NIN101: i'd have to say thanks already for that tutorial :) |
| 21:24.03 | NIN101 | yw |
| 21:25.35 | user__ | hmm what happens if i have to reflash and i got a encrypted home partition other than loosing my data? |
| 21:26.07 | SpeedEvil | You restore from backups. |
| 21:26.16 | NIN101 | reflashing combined with an encrypted partition is hell on earth. |
| 21:26.45 | NIN101 | at least it boots. |
| 21:28.40 | user__ | a bit more detailed please :) |
| 21:28.42 | NIN101 | well ok I did it once, you basically just have to modify the bootscripts again and install cryptsetup again. The only thing why it is help is that your home partition obviously is not mounted and you are short on space for some other stuff. |
| 21:28.56 | NIN101 | s/help/hell |
| 21:31.18 | user__ | urghh :S |
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| 21:31.39 | user__ | doesnt sound that funny |
| 21:31.44 | NIN101 | but hey, therefore you just stop fucking up your system :-). |
| 21:32.25 | user__ | no more messing around, no more fun :( |
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| 21:39.24 | user__ | before i think again about (almost)-full-systemencryption, is there a method to securely erase the n900's memory |
| 21:39.49 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:40.07 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes for the onenand chip |
| 21:40.09 | SpeedEvil | no for the emmc |
| 21:40.14 | user__ | i've tried photorec and recovered a hell of a lot of stuff |
| 21:40.18 | SpeedEvil | For the SD - just remove and eat. |
| 21:40.43 | user__ | do they really taste like chicken? |
| 21:40.54 | SpeedEvil | Depends what's on the car.d |
| 21:41.36 | user__ | does it go well with hot salsa sauce :P |
| 21:43.59 | user__ | kidding, there is really no possibility to savely wipe the MyDocs folders other than making some n900 chip BBQ :)? |
| 21:44.46 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:45.03 | SpeedEvil | The emmc is _not_ a block device. |
| 21:45.25 | SpeedEvil | It's a lot of flash chips, connected to a controller over which you have no insight, pretending to be a block device. |
| 21:45.45 | SpeedEvil | You can never tell if it will ever erase a block that it detects has failed, for example. |
| 21:46.44 | user__ | true. but you could check how many files you still be able to recover? |
| 21:47.02 | user__ | with photorec for example? |
| 21:47.05 | HyperSnyper | that would depends on the recovery software |
| 21:47.41 | HyperSnyper | prob afew methods of recovering data |
| 21:49.17 | user__ | so encrypt the possible to be encrypted "partitions" would make more sense? |
| 21:49.54 | SpeedEvil | user__: Zero |
| 21:50.12 | SpeedEvil | user__: Fragments of files may be recoverable by dissasembly of the SD |
| 21:50.29 | SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc1 |
| 21:50.40 | SpeedEvil | or whatever it is will wipe it completely from a user-POV |
| 21:51.05 | user__ | hmm what are you referring to as SD? |
| 21:51.45 | SpeedEvil | the removable microSD |
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| 21:52.42 | user__ | hmm got none here atleast, just talking about the internal memory |
| 21:53.15 | SpeedEvil | Above goes for both SD and internal eMMC - it's just you can remove the SD |
| 21:53.38 | user__ | or do you want to say, that it would be the better solution to simply saving files on the sd as it is removable |
| 21:53.46 | user__ | ahh i c :) |
| 21:55.51 | user__ | nevertheless, theres still the question why should i benefit of smth like that if just simple opening a file written to the sd, would move it to the tmp |
| 21:56.26 | user__ | folder, therefore back to the internal :( |
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| 21:58.33 | user__ | guess the n900 isnt quite save, regarding the easiness to recover sensitive data :( |
| 22:00.27 | NIN101 | unless you start encrypting from day 1. |
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| 22:01.37 | user__ | but wouldnt that bring me into hell? |
| 22:01.54 | user__ | simply because of the need to flash :D |
| 22:02.10 | HyperSnyper | do any smartphones have full encryption ? |
| 22:02.27 | user__ | yes, cryptophones :) |
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| 22:03.53 | NIN101 | who said you must flash? I simply said that encrypting /home/ and after that reflashing COMBINED is a bit of a pain, nothing more. |
| 22:03.54 | HyperSnyper | thats not a smartphone ;P |
| 22:04.32 | user__ | with price-tags that easily top apple stuff, atleast from the perspective of someone living in europe |
| 22:04.53 | user__ | they got phones and smartphones with fse |
| 22:05.09 | HyperSnyper | and only ones i can see being sold to "citizens" are dumbphones |
| 22:05.14 | HyperSnyper | although ive not looked much |
| 22:05.29 | user__ | just a matter of money |
| 22:06.16 | user__ | the simple ones go out for 1000€ |
| 22:07.18 | user__ | up to 15000€ where you get features you might never hears about (me included) |
| 22:07.30 | user__ | heard* |
| 22:08.20 | SpeedEvil | Phones today are silly. |
| 22:08.32 | SpeedEvil | You can hold a really good amount of one-time-pad in RAM. |
| 22:08.44 | user__ | just for example on the fly imei change in a period of time that you can choose |
| 22:09.06 | HyperSnyper | sounds fun |
| 22:09.10 | user__ | or filtering out ping packets |
| 22:09.35 | SpeedEvil | Youcannot filter out ping packets, as they are required for you to be logged onto the network |
| 22:09.49 | HyperSnyper | wouldnt you need to swap the sim alot to make imei changing effective |
| 22:09.49 | HyperSnyper | ;P |
| 22:10.27 | user__ | yea imsi change shouldnt be included sadly i guess but who knows |
| 22:11.40 | user__ | atleast some friend working for such a company told me about the ping packet filtering (however it might be possible or not) |
| 22:12.07 | user__ | nevertheless then again, its a matter of trust |
| 22:12.44 | user__ | who garantuee you that there isnt some kind of backdore included |
| 22:13.31 | user__ | backdoor* |
| 22:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: how's imei related to SIM? |
| 22:14.27 | SpeedEvil | You can't be logged into any network withou thte network knowing you're there. |
| 22:14.36 | SpeedEvil | Or that some phone with a given ID is there. |
| 22:14.48 | HyperSnyper | well im guessinf imei changing would be done to stop tracking of phone |
| 22:14.57 | HyperSnyper | and thats be pretty useless using same SIm after swap |
| 22:14.58 | HyperSnyper | ? |
| 22:15.06 | SpeedEvil | IMEI changing eoesn't help much. |
| 22:15.18 | SpeedEvil | If you keep calling hte same people |
| 22:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | changing IMEI is BS |
| 22:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | completely useless |
| 22:15.39 | frals | changing IMSI would make more sense i assume |
| 22:15.39 | SpeedEvil | It's not useless, combined with a sim-swap |
| 22:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | it's the IMSI that counts |
| 22:15.49 | user__ | nah depends on the rest |
| 22:15.56 | SpeedEvil | I would be surprised if the networks can't track on both, if they so desire. |
| 22:16.02 | frals | but you would probably want to change imei when you switch imsi |
| 22:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | sure network can track IMEI, after all you can blacklist IMEIs |
| 22:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | but the actual login is linked to the IMSI, not to the IMEI |
| 22:17.03 | user__ | person x and person y both swap regulary sims and change imei's how to track them down? |
| 22:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | frals: yep, probably |
| 22:17.22 | SpeedEvil | user__: because they call person i,j,k |
| 22:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:17.31 | SpeedEvil | user__: From locations p,q,r |
| 22:17.36 | user__ | after every call for very very very. iam saying VERYmparanoid peope |
| 22:17.56 | SpeedEvil | user__: Correlate location with numbers called, and IMEI/IMSI is a red-herring. |
| 22:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | nobody (except SpeedEvil and me ;-D) seems to notice how unique a certain set of called nimbers is |
| 22:18.02 | SpeedEvil | You don't need it to identify the user. |
| 22:18.16 | SpeedEvil | And that's before you get into shizzle like voiceprints |
| 22:18.55 | user__ | if that isnt encrypted by defaulr on a cryptophone :p |
| 22:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | you can even associate prepaid calling cards for phone booth to a certain user, simply by serial# of the card and the 20..50 cals done on that card serial# |
| 22:20.03 | HyperSnyper | is location/dialer/reciever logged by default on most networks ? |
| 22:20.09 | SpeedEvil | The safest way is probably VOIP, over a codec which _DOES_NOT_ compress voice, over a VPN. |
| 22:20.30 | SpeedEvil | And even that has issues of traffic analysis which you need to defeat. |
| 22:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | cryptophones can just provide ONE thing: secure *communication* that can't get eavesdropped except for identity of both ends, and time, duration, obviously |
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| 22:25.06 | HyperSnyper | is the n900 modem if that even the right area, to locked down, to try any spoofing of tming attacks, or triangluation ? |
| 22:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | please rephrase - doesn't parse |
| 22:25.40 | user__ | yes but how would you track down people using used sim-cards from different providers registered by different people as they are used, and with imei change after every encrypted calls or maybe encrypted messages? |
| 22:26.01 | HyperSnyper | i remember reading up awhile ago about different methods used ot track |
| 22:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | user__: simple: I wouldn't |
| 22:26.11 | HyperSnyper | one was to measuring timings between phone/mast |
| 22:26.18 | HyperSnyper | and another was between multiple masts |
| 22:26.34 | HyperSnyper | is it possible to manupliate any of that on the n900 |
| 22:26.36 | user__ | sure they can tell you call x came from location z |
| 22:26.41 | HyperSnyper | or too restricted by modem |
| 22:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I wrote a small post about it some years ago |
| 22:26.55 | SpeedEvil | user__: User A logs off. Assume they are walking - User B logs on. If A is within walking distance of B, A may be B |
| 22:27.09 | SpeedEvil | Has A and B ever been on at the same time before? |
| 22:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: BB5 N900 modem firmware is not allowing to mess with any of that |
| 22:27.20 | SpeedEvil | If not, then they are probably not the same person, ... |
| 22:27.26 | SpeedEvil | Lots of heuristics like this. |
| 22:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | for us mere mortals |
| 22:27.28 | HyperSnyper | guessed so |
| 22:27.48 | user__ | hmm thats cool in fact :) |
| 22:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 22:28.17 | HyperSnyper | puts his tinfoil hat back on |
| 22:28.21 | HyperSnyper | this keep sme safer |
| 22:28.24 | user__ | :d |
| 22:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 22:29.27 | HyperSnyper | heh. guess i must of asked similar question before |
| 22:29.31 | HyperSnyper | already had that page saved |
| 22:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | that article is form mobile equipment POV, of course carrier can do same, plus some more |
| 22:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 22:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~gam-agps |
| 22:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-agps |
| 22:29.47 | infobot | rrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 22:30.10 | user__ | hmm on the other hand, who the hell would be that paranoid :) |
| 22:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | IF I were to initiate a call that can't get traced to me, I'd use a UMTS phone to get inetrnet from a very remote BTS (with several closer BTS), by using a directional antenna and a lock on modem to that specific CellID, then do a VoIP call to a prepaid call-through service in China or Russia |
| 22:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | use a fresch phone for that, and also a fresh SIM, and discard both after the call |
| 22:33.31 | HyperSnyper | lots of prepaid phones and sims + google voice used as a kinda phone number dyndns could be usefull for paranoid reciveing |
| 22:33.40 | user__ | yea thought already of smth like that :) |
| 22:35.00 | user__ | like tor for mobile communication, just witha lot more nodes in between :) |
| 22:35.10 | HyperSnyper | oO |
| 22:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | meh, if any exchange can ring you, a service like CIA or NSA or whatever can also spot your location. There's no way to stop that. And your identity is absolutely clear from beginning if somebody can reach you inbound |
| 22:36.19 | user__ | or just keep it simple and put a tinfoil hat on :) |
| 22:36.48 | user__ | a lot easier and a lot saver :D |
| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | even if you use a VoIP PBX in China, they can correlate the establishing and teardown point in time and bandwidth used for both inbound and outbound connections to China from the country you're in |
| 22:37.35 | user__ | yep. |
| 22:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | there's a reason VoIP doesn't work over Thor/Onion, which is considered safe to cloak your identity |
| 22:39.25 | user__ | ironically speaking :PÄ |
| 22:40.48 | HyperSnyper | can't skype be forced through TOR ? |
| 22:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 22:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | Tor(?) has way too high latencies - intentionally |
| 22:41.31 | HyperSnyper | true true |
| 22:41.55 | user__ | skype works through tor |
| 22:42.03 | HyperSnyper | voice ? |
| 22:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | to defeat correlating of inbound and outbound connection setup |
| 22:42.17 | user__ | yep, read about it |
| 22:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | hah, Tor will kick your ass I'd guess, they will HATE you for even trying to run skype over their server network |
| 22:43.31 | HyperSnyper | Tor scares me |
| 22:43.33 | user__ | it works, that was the question he asked :) |
| 22:43.40 | HyperSnyper | imo all exits nodes are just people wanting to sniff |
| 22:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see how it would work |
| 22:44.03 | user__ | well then use end-to-end encryption |
| 22:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it could create something resembling communication to Mars: reply arrives 30 min later ;-P |
| 22:44.31 | HyperSnyper | yeh i didn't think about timing and b/w needed for voice |
| 22:44.38 | HyperSnyper | can't imagine it being very "functional" |
| 22:45.11 | user__ | nah smth more like a minute |
| 22:45.22 | user__ | maybe a bit less |
| 22:45.53 | user__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 22:46.59 | user__ | then again, why for gods sake would you want to use skype :0 |
| 22:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | aiui on Tor each node introduces a random delay on each connection, so you can't correlate |
| 22:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | probably even on each packet a new one |
| 22:48.34 | user__ | Doc you might want to give us an insight view on skype and tor :D |
| 22:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | skype: crap, don't use! -- Tor: used for the wrong purposes all the time, as it doesn't make communication secure, just cloaks one end identity from the other end |
| 22:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | all you need to know |
| 22:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | maybe one more thing: >50% of Tor users are CIA agents abroad |
| 22:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | (last one is an unconfirmed hearsay) |
| 22:52.07 | user__ | but a possible one :) |
| 22:52.37 | user__ | ill stick to this |
| 22:52.44 | user__ | http://is.gd/6HGgd8 |
| 22:53.52 | HyperSnyper | never click shortened urls |
| 22:54.11 | HyperSnyper | tinfoil hat tells me not to |
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| 22:54.58 | user__ | why its the ultimative sollution :D |
| 23:01.37 | user__ | gn8 all :) |
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