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| 01:57.30 | Minze | hi there, just installed fiasco 1.3.0 and the cssu testing |
| 01:57.38 | Minze | it works fine so far :) |
| 01:58.16 | Minze | but why is it so that i can only find power-kernel v42 in the package manager |
| 01:58.30 | Minze | do i need to add some repos? |
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| 03:01.28 | Minze | got help here, whats the difference between the standard-kernel power, and the bfs kernel power |
| 03:01.46 | Minze | is there one that should be more recommendable |
| 03:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | bfs is using a new multitasking scheduler, it's not verified that it is any better than the "classical" one |
| 03:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | due to some problems in repository the newer powerkernel pkgs don't show up in appmanager |
| 03:07.26 | Minze | k, ive just installed pr1.3 vanilla and then the cssu testing and everything is working fine, in the normal repositories i just get powerkernel v42 which is inacceptable, so i added extras-testing and extras-devel to the repos, and look there powerkernel v49 and some kernel i didnt know anything about till now (ergo bfs kernel) |
| 03:07.37 | Minze | and now theres the question which to take |
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| 03:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | though you maybe also are missing the extras-devel catalog which has newer version than extras(-testing) |
| 03:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | aah, you added it |
| 03:09.36 | Minze | ive added the extras-devel |
| 03:09.55 | Minze | v49 is the newest there regarding the normal power-kernel |
| 03:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 03:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | this seems correct |
| 03:10.36 | Minze | i want to use cleven with it, so there might be some i should prefer :)? |
| 03:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ shows 47 as newest though, so there's some problem anyway. But 49 is freshest you might find |
| 03:11.05 | Minze | and the macchanger didnt work here with the v42 what kinda pissed me off |
| 03:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no experience or idea about cleven |
| 03:12.22 | Minze | ive thought i heard that there is some problem with p-kernel v49, not sure if it is the same case with the bfs-kernel |
| 03:17.03 | luke-jr | I use 49 with fcam patched in |
| 03:17.07 | luke-jr | built with GCC 4.5 |
| 03:17.10 | luke-jr | and hardfp |
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| 03:19.59 | Minze | do i have to patch v49? luke-jr? |
| 03:20.36 | luke-jr | shrug |
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| 03:21.25 | Minze | i mean for normal use, not for specific use with fcam |
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| 04:42.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks for Your very informative messages |
| 04:42.40 | Estel_ | I'll look into it, trying to learn while doing so :) |
| 04:42.48 | Estel_ | good night! |
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| 09:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | morning to you too |
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| 09:59.52 | merlin1991 | I remember there was some page on the wiki on integrating scratchbox with qt-creator |
| 09:59.59 | merlin1991 | but I can't find it anymore |
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| 10:16.35 | jack_lt | hi, tried this, but how to test it? http://www.pittnerovi.com/jiri/hobby/electronics/n900/index.html |
| 10:17.02 | jack_lt | wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/hello ; wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/:g5ann_001 , should these commands make sound? |
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| 10:18.58 | jack_lt | it's about the voice guided ovi maps |
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| 10:52.29 | Sicelo | i use the OM voice server method. works flawlessly |
| 10:53.31 | jack_lt | hmm easy to setup? |
| 10:53.54 | jack_lt | Sicelo, |
| 10:55.35 | jack_lt | Sicelo, when should you here sound? how can you test it? |
| 10:56.14 | Sicelo | yes. u just replace the index.html, install omvoiceserver, espeak, and download voice files from nokia in your language |
| 10:56.37 | Sicelo | om voice server has testing support |
| 10:57.56 | jack_lt | where do you put the voice files? |
| 10:58.11 | jack_lt | and where to download them? |
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| 11:00.03 | Sicelo | the voice files are in the link u gave up there. u can put them anywhere. omvoiceserver will then ask u for the location. i put them in MyDocs/cities/Voices/ |
| 11:01.08 | Sicelo | read the first post of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985 |
| 11:02.12 | Sicelo | use the first 3 links, and u should be all set |
| 11:02.41 | Sicelo | well, 4 links, if u count the wiki :P |
| 11:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | an extremely nifty obscure method to trigger sound output, wget form localhost:9999 to /dev/null |
| 11:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | rolls up my toe nails ;-P |
| 11:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's obviously nothing that can NOT be done, under linux XD |
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| 11:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | but then maybe there's simply no other way to embed sound into a locally hosted website like maps(?), when you can't embed more straight forward approaches like JS, or even java |
| 11:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder if the server running to listen to localhost:9999 and then trigger audio playback, if this server is at least built as a script, nicely with socat and aplay/play-sound and shellscripting :-) |
| 11:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | probably for that even netcat is sufficiently versatile to handle the http part |
| 11:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | so no need for socat complexity |
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| 11:20.18 | user | would it be a good idea to install nitdroid to the internal memory? |
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| 11:21.22 | user | or are there any side-effects? |
| 11:22.07 | jack_lt | Sicelo, hmm when I use omvoiceserver for searching it doesn't find anything anymore |
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| 11:30.37 | merlin1991 | user: for example your internal memory will be smaller for what meamo can use ;) |
| 11:30.43 | Sicelo | is the server running? jack_lt |
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| 11:31.02 | jack_lt | Sicelo, how to check or start |
| 11:31.29 | Sicelo | it is in your application menu. OM Voiceserver |
| 11:32.12 | Sicelo | and u must have downloaded the correct index.html |
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| 11:34.40 | jack_lt | ok, will check later, thx |
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| 11:48.06 | user | is there a mod/addon whatever, to mark multiple packages and then install it on a row in the package-manager? |
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| 11:50.27 | Sicelo | none. apt-get ftw |
| 11:50.48 | user | i know that it could be possible over apt |
| 11:51.26 | user | but the ui would make things a lot easier as you have a overview of the stuff installed |
| 11:52.09 | user | it makes me wonder that nobody since yet didnt create an addon or such :) |
| 11:52.23 | NIN101 | FAM. but to quote merlin1991: "it comes from deeper layers of hell". :-) |
| 11:52.31 | Sicelo | others use fapman, synaptic, etc. i never tried them |
| 11:54.00 | user | fapman? |
| 11:56.01 | Sicelo | it's FAM .. iirc fapman is the pkg name |
| 11:56.15 | user | how large is synaptic as the rootfs space is getting filled kinda fast :S |
| 11:57.30 | user | already thought of the 8gb image, but that isnt official stuff :+ |
| 11:58.39 | Sicelo | 8gb rootfs? |
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| 12:05.39 | jack_lt | Sicelo, it says 'server closed' for the rest the test commands works fine |
| 12:05.51 | jack_lt | Sicelo, but not the search function in ovi maps |
| 12:06.35 | Sicelo | server closed? weird |
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| 12:06.55 | Sicelo | try launching it from terminal to see where problem is |
| 12:08.05 | jack_lt | how do I launch it from terminal |
| 12:08.20 | jack_lt | hmm anyway, need to go now |
| 12:08.21 | jack_lt | bbl |
| 12:08.26 | jack_lt | thx |
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| 12:19.38 | Minze | Sicelo: i guess so |
| 12:21.14 | Minze | 8gb for apps and 22 for MyDocs |
| 12:21.15 | Sicelo | what Minze? the rootfs? |
| 12:21.26 | Minze | yea |
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| 12:21.43 | Sicelo | i doubt that's rootfs. i think that's 8gb /home |
| 12:22.06 | Minze | idk, didnt check it |
| 12:22.06 | Sicelo | that's the same thing i want to do whenever i get around to flashing my device |
| 12:23.02 | merlin1991 | that's a 8gb /home since rootfs size is fixed by hw |
| 12:23.02 | Minze | could you explain where the difference lies between /home and MyDocs |
| 12:23.26 | merlin1991 | home is a ext2 I think partition |
| 12:23.41 | merlin1991 | whilst MyDocs is vfat in order to be able to export it via usb to windows machines |
| 12:24.50 | Minze | hmm couldnt it get wiped to a big ext4 partition if i only use linux-based oses like arch :# |
| 12:25.27 | Sicelo | if maemo was windows, Minze, /home would be (for example) drive C, then /home/user/MyDocs would be D: etc |
| 12:25.29 | Minze | i mean i guess there is the 4gig limitation of fat due to this? |
| 12:25.46 | Sicelo | yes Minze. there is that limitation, yes |
| 12:26.29 | Minze | Sicelo: yep so its more or less a compatibility layer for windows to access the files |
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| 12:27.03 | Minze | as win cant access ext-fs till now |
| 12:29.11 | SpeedEvil | remembers using windows e2fs drivers in ~1995 |
| 12:30.59 | Minze | well lets say not out off the box |
| 12:31.29 | SpeedEvil | Prolly fair enough, yeah. |
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| 12:33.00 | Minze | although the n900 is a device targeting users which should be aware to mess around a bit with os's and stuff |
| 12:35.40 | Minze | other than for compatibility reasons an seperate vfat partition wouldnt make sense imo |
| 12:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 12:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 12:38.06 | infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 12:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | for patching fiasco img for larger /home |
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| 12:38.34 | Sicelo | true. although i think nokia also wanted a few non-geeks to use it. who would never even open xterm. i personally know 2 other people here with N900. both have zero clue what linux is. both have never used their xterm |
| 12:38.45 | Sicelo | \o/ DocScrutinizer |
| 12:38.55 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 12:39.03 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 12:39.09 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 4h 34m 14s) #harmattan (3d 4h 34m 14s) #meego (3d 4h 34m 14s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 2d 23h 14m 32s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. |
| 12:39.38 | NIN101 | after all nobody forces you to keep it vfat, so no problem there. |
| 12:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: X-Fade never is around on weekends and holidays |
| 12:40.08 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, ok |
| 12:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: there are some dependencies in fremantle to this partition and the fs-type it has |
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| 12:40.53 | NIN101 | sure you have to mount it yourself or patch the scripts... |
| 12:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | so just changing partition size and keeping a whatever sized vfat MyDocs is the best thing to do |
| 12:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | the hack on jrtools is tested to iirc 9.99GB /home size, for 2 digits sizes you need to take care about not inserting chars when editing fisco, so you need to <<1char the value, using one of the triling blanks |
| 12:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | trailing* |
| 12:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | MyDocs resizes accordingly auto-magically, by simply using what's left over |
| 12:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | I think anything down to as little as 1GB for MyDocs is sane |
| 12:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | of course you'll start cursing when you want to fill your device with mp3 or movie data and notice that you need to manually mount the /home via nfs or sshfs or anything to do that |
| 12:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | then you'll notice that tracker doesn't index /home (AFAIK) and you can't even access your movies/music in /home, unless you patch tracker.cfg |
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| 12:49.36 | Sicelo | if only tracker wouldn't index flash drives via h-e-n |
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| 12:50.10 | NIN101 | "tracker - Your lovely I/O virus!" |
| 12:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | after you patched tracker.cfg, you'll probably notice that it constantly restarts indexing with every new file you write to home, and this brings your whole device incl copying files to a grinding halt |
| 12:51.15 | Minze | sounds good so far :) |
| 12:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, doesn't it? ;-P |
| 12:52.41 | Minze | and yea they might also targeted some non-linux aware users, but wouldnt there be way better alternatives than a n900 |
| 12:53.16 | Minze | i mean its fat bulky and doesnt come with a lot of appz |
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| 12:54.24 | Minze | i mean i could understand why people without a clue about linux would get themselfes a N9 as its stylish. |
| 12:54.45 | Sicelo | well, some were 'fooled' Minze. ominous looking device, 5Mpix camera, advertising videos.. |
| 12:55.16 | Sicelo | only after they owned the device did they start regreting it. ebay came handy, lol |
| 12:55.57 | Minze | yea i remember the n900 add |
| 12:55.59 | Minze | ad* |
| 12:57.32 | Sicelo | hmm, thanks DocScrutinizer for mentioning tracker.cfg. i think i can see a way to avoid indexing external drives :) |
| 12:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | yes, seems there's a dedicated option for that |
| 12:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 12:59.04 | Sicelo | yes. |
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| 13:36.29 | Minze | just a little question, how do i remove unneeded stuff from the main-men(will list what i mean in a second) |
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| 13:37.31 | Minze | "chess, rss, blocks,marbles, usermanual, ovi-store, |
| 13:37.33 | Minze | ) |
| 13:37.50 | Minze | i didnt find em on the uninstall list |
| 13:37.59 | psycho_oreos | `uninstall' them? ;p |
| 13:38.14 | Minze | yea, sure, right. |
| 13:38.24 | psycho_oreos | well no, not through `app manager' but you can do it through apt-get for instance (note: may break your setup) |
| 13:38.47 | psycho_oreos | there's stuff like apmefo for instance where you can create a `folder' and stash all those things you don't want in there instead :þ |
| 13:38.49 | Minze | how to find out the correct name would be the thing to know |
| 13:39.02 | psycho_oreos | even catoriseplus can do it (to some other extent) |
| 13:39.44 | psycho_oreos | it comes with a matter of understanding the lying foundations of the package management system behind it. In which this case its deb and dpkg is the management tool |
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| 13:40.44 | Minze | so far, so right, problem is, that i guess that those apps i've just listed, are put together in a single package under another name. |
| 13:40.58 | Minze | as its out of the box stuff :) |
| 13:41.19 | psycho_oreos | its part of osso-* something :þ |
| 13:42.32 | psycho_oreos | hmm I think ruskie at one stage did an extensive hacking into freeing up the maemo `kludge' though I gotta warn you that its not for the faint of heart |
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| 13:43.19 | ruskie | yeah |
| 13:43.51 | Minze | ruskie: is there a link, where a could read of your work :P |
| 13:43.58 | psycho_oreos | wiki |
| 13:44.19 | ruskie | yeah User:Ruskie |
| 13:44.23 | ruskie | you should find my remove list |
| 13:44.36 | ruskie | but there was another way to do it |
| 13:44.48 | ruskie | by generating empty packages to replace the actual ones |
| 13:44.56 | ruskie | should still have that somewhere as well |
| 13:45.30 | Minze | but isnt your method the nice one? |
| 13:45.53 | Minze | i mean its like replacing soundfiles in a game with empty soundfiles just not to here them^^ |
| 13:46.05 | ruskie | I have 2 |
| 13:46.11 | ruskie | one was raw remove |
| 13:46.42 | Minze | hmm your remove-list is kinda long :) |
| 13:46.48 | ruskie | yeah |
| 13:47.08 | Minze | are you running your device in cli-only mode :P |
| 13:47.12 | ruskie | nope |
| 13:47.21 | ruskie | but I do a lot of stuff in cli |
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| 13:50.19 | Minze | guess i will pickup the things i want to get ride off from your list :) |
| 13:51.44 | Minze | the ovi-widget will be the first to jump off the system |
| 13:52.05 | Minze | dont need all that crappy facebook twitter in your ass crap |
| 13:52.36 | Minze | but thanks anyway for linking me into the right direction ;) |
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| 13:53.48 | Minze | ruskie: this ezitext-"x" stuff, are those the language files? |
| 13:54.03 | ruskie | that's the predictive text input iirc |
| 13:54.39 | ruskie | the language files sadly are usually to intertwined with the core stuff |
| 13:54.59 | ruskie | so that requires the replace with empty packages process |
| 13:55.23 | Minze | yep otherwise i would remove all that arent necessary. |
| 13:55.37 | Minze | empty-space matters :P |
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| 14:01.32 | ruskie | Minze, I also have the script to generate the stuff |
| 14:01.44 | ruskie | it should work but I haven't worked with it for a while |
| 14:01.47 | ruskie | if you want |
| 14:02.17 | Minze | of course if it doesnt take to much work for you? |
| 14:02.19 | ruskie | it generates a repo full of debs |
| 14:02.24 | ruskie | on the device |
| 14:02.31 | ruskie | then you can install whatever you want from those debs |
| 14:02.34 | Minze | to remove the unneeded stuff you mean |
| 14:02.37 | ruskie | yup |
| 14:03.45 | ruskie | Minze, http://sprunge.us/VOKL copy that to genbreakrepo |
| 14:04.26 | ruskie | chmod +x it |
| 14:05.03 | Minze | thanks :) |
| 14:05.17 | Minze | btw. are the following presumptions right? |
| 14:05.18 | Minze | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PR2Sx6UA |
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| 14:08.02 | ruskie | Minze, other than ezitext yeah |
| 14:08.06 | ruskie | no clue about ezitext |
| 14:08.22 | ruskie | Minze, alse -essential-plugins kinda needs to be there I would guess |
| 14:08.28 | ruskie | if you still want to use predictie input |
| 14:08.39 | ruskie | Minze, you will need bash for that script of mine btw |
| 14:08.40 | Minze | yea thought so^^ |
| 14:08.44 | ruskie | atleast v3 if not further up |
| 14:08.53 | Minze | bash4 is installed ;) |
| 14:08.56 | ruskie | ok |
| 14:09.07 | ruskie | the rest I think you should have on the system already |
| 14:09.26 | ruskie | hmm needs gnu sed as sed |
| 14:10.16 | ruskie | the rest should work |
| 14:10.39 | Minze | hmm strange but i have no clue what skyhost |
| 14:10.56 | Minze | and ezitext is as you stated the predictive test stuff :) |
| 14:13.53 | ruskie | basically to run it you do ./genbreakrepo gen_break that will generate all the dummy packages based of the core package |
| 14:14.09 | ruskie | if you want a backup of a specific package though you can make: ./genbreakrepo gen_backup package_name |
| 14:14.20 | ruskie | and it will produce a package based of of the installed stuff |
| 14:14.30 | ruskie | as for skyhost probably something to do with skype |
| 14:16.29 | merlin1991 | skyhost? skyhost is the host for skynet ;) |
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| 14:18.57 | Minze | merlin1991: it was my first thought ;) |
| 14:21.09 | Minze | another one, is there yet a solution for offline navigation on the n900 |
| 14:21.42 | Minze | i know it has the possibility of assisted gps, but withouth that it should be possible too although slower. |
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| 14:22.44 | SpeedEvil | Offline works for me |
| 14:22.50 | ruskie | there is some app that supports having maps offline and such |
| 14:23.12 | HyperSnyper | has anyone done/looked at doing an on phone answerphone ? |
| 14:23.27 | HyperSnyper | e.g phone answers after x amount of rings plays recording then records locally |
| 14:23.39 | HyperSnyper | my providers answerphones costs to ring.. |
| 14:23.46 | Minze | HyperSnyper: i was looking for smth. like that too :) |
| 14:24.21 | Minze | a mixture of callblocker and automatic answering like for calls from hidden id's |
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| 14:24.33 | HyperSnyper | also the ability to listen live to answerphone and interupt would be nice |
| 14:24.37 | ruskie | hmm would be nice though considering how many calls I get it would be idle 99.99999% of the time |
| 14:25.16 | Minze | i get pissed of by unknown callers... |
| 14:25.33 | Minze | so i could piss them off a bit myself :) |
| 14:25.59 | HyperSnyper | i used to have a redirect to premium rate lines on my old nokia |
| 14:26.00 | Minze | callblocker is working though ;) |
| 14:26.07 | HyperSnyper | when i used ot get prank calls |
| 14:26.25 | ruskie | HyperSnyper, wouldn't you be paying for those? |
| 14:26.38 | Minze | hmm strange though, here when you redirect someone, you are the one paying for the line |
| 14:26.44 | ruskie | yeah |
| 14:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | reads http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project and idly ponders to place a file "MLO" on MyDocs/, to tease ROMBOOT |
| 14:26.56 | ruskie | I think in the US the reciever pays the termination fee |
| 14:27.09 | HyperSnyper | can't remember how it was setup but i never had credit then |
| 14:27.14 | HyperSnyper | and it used to stop the prank calls |
| 14:27.21 | HyperSnyper | this was when i was school |
| 14:27.29 | HyperSnyper | on a very old nokia bannan phone |
| 14:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jacekowski^^^ |
| 14:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:28.18 | RST38h | Hi, gentlemen |
| 14:28.28 | RST38h | (and whatever ladies happen to come here) |
| 14:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | probably you could recover from that with cold"flashing" rescue-initrd |
| 14:29.03 | RST38h | Doc: Anything new and exciting? Other than initial pointers to the fact that Lumia DID NOT sell? |
| 14:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, RST38h - we actually got 2 or 3, much appreciated |
| 14:29.28 | ruskie | heh |
| 14:29.34 | RST38h | Doc: That is not "sell", that is "give away" |
| 14:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: place a file of random garbage named MyDocs/MLO on your device :-D |
| 14:30.20 | RST38h | Doc: Aaaaand? |
| 14:30.26 | RST38h | gets excited |
| 14:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | if this isn't exciting enough, make content of that file a valid xloader, with header and all |
| 14:30.56 | RST38h | Doc: We are talking about N950? |
| 14:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | code of xloade may be just an endless loop, to render your device unbootable |
| 14:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | nope, about N900 for now |
| 14:31.42 | RST38h | Ah, I see |
| 14:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | though should be same for 950/9 |
| 14:32.08 | RST38h | reads the wiki, decides not to experiment |
| 14:32.17 | Minze | you know what for lumia stands eight? :P |
| 14:32.19 | RST38h | But I can aska Nokian about it. |
| 14:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | there's no security policy on N900 nor on HARM stopping you from doing that |
| 14:32.39 | RST38h | Minze: They hoped they could recreated N800 success by calling it 800 =) |
| 14:32.57 | RST38h | Doc: I sincerely hope Maemo guys disabled this |
| 14:33.05 | RST38h | Doc: Should we query Stskeeps? |
| 14:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 14:33.21 | Minze | a guy from the maemo forums had a blog about nokia an stuff, kinda funny :) |
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| 14:33.35 | Minze | was an ex-nokia employee iirc. |
| 14:33.44 | RST38h | Once the partition is found, the root directory is scanned for a special signed file called "MLO" |
| 14:33.50 | RST38h | *SIGNED* file, Doc |
| 14:33.54 | Minze | posted a picture of the spanish meaning of lumia ergo "prostitute" |
| 14:33.56 | RST38h | Is your garbage signed? |
| 14:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | checkout SYS_BOOT! |
| 14:34.38 | RST38h | yeah, but still wants signed MLO |
| 14:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not that sure they would refuse loading a non-signed xloader |
| 14:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | maybe BOOTROM just switches to openmode |
| 14:35.37 | RST38h | Catching Stskeeps looks like a good idea to me |
| 14:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | s/xloader/MLO/ |
| 14:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | what for? |
| 14:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | to make sure we could nuke our devices? |
| 14:36.06 | RST38h | He knows unhealthy amounts of info about bootup process |
| 14:36.27 | dm8tbr | what you want to know you can find in the TRM |
| 14:36.37 | RST38h | Doc: Not sure how to nuke your device? Do it with microwave. |
| 14:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | anyway he could recover easily, by booting from serial |
| 14:36.46 | RST38h | (and yes, it is ok to /topic that =)) |
| 14:36.59 | RST38h | the page also mentions USB boot |
| 14:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | err rrright |
| 14:37.19 | dm8tbr | I thought the device is set up so that you can cold-flash (boot over USB) |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | I already mentioned cold'flashing' rescue-initrd |
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| 14:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | then nuke MLO |
| 14:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | a funny attack anyway |
| 14:38.18 | Minze | http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/microsoft-nokia-babies-hate-at-a-distance-love-up-close/ |
| 14:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | and just maybe even an attack vector for secure mode |
| 14:38.34 | Minze | or here ^^ |
| 14:38.35 | Minze | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20125899-71/nokias-lumia-means-um-prostitute-in-spanish/ |
| 14:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | Minze: guess why we call it hooker800 |
| 14:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | no news |
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| 14:40.04 | Minze | somehow funny, as nokia is droping maemo/meego for wp cause they are getting payed well by microsoft^^ |
| 14:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | yep, indeed |
| 14:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | they couldn't find a better name |
| 14:41.03 | Minze | yep really, whoever choosen that modelname, was kinda creative :) |
| 14:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia never was short of creativity with their names |
| 14:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | fiasco |
| 14:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | nolo |
| 14:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | don't get me started on chip names |
| 14:43.15 | Minze | not sure what nolo could meant :D |
| 14:43.39 | ruskie | nokia loader |
| 14:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | omething like turd in Norwegian, or sth |
| 14:44.04 | Minze | :D |
| 14:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | the official meaning of fiasco must have been defined while all the managers been in Italy |
| 14:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | as everywhere elso on this earth it just means ... FIASCO!!! |
| 14:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | and indeed it sometimes is |
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| 14:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | not that naming of openmoko was any wiser - mentioning your company name makes every spanish person want to hand you a handkerchief |
| 14:49.41 | Minze | theres an hw-update on its way btw :) |
| 14:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | our bootloader wasn't NOLO but "dirtyMOKO" |
| 14:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
| 14:49.55 | Minze | but imo way to expensive :/ |
| 14:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | Minze: gta04? yes I know, I'm helping to build it |
| 14:50.34 | Minze | yep |
| 14:50.40 | ruskie | wonders if there will ever be a model of gta with a physical keyboard |
| 14:50.53 | Minze | although i really things its kinda expensive 799€ |
| 14:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | and yes it'S way too expensive, though still not earns any money for those who sell it |
| 14:50.55 | Minze | :S |
| 14:51.22 | Minze | think* |
| 14:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | that'S what you get when building 150 devices |
| 14:51.47 | Minze | is that really the production-number? |
| 14:51.54 | Minze | just 150 devices? |
| 14:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | mere production costs, not including R&D |
| 14:52.07 | ruskie | needs to get a CuBox with a touchscreen 7" lcd hdmi as his bedside computer/alarm clock/etc... |
| 14:52.59 | Minze | ruskie: hell it even beats the n900 in size-comparence |
| 14:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | Minze: yes, unless we don't get to the threshold of the group order, we probably won't see more than those 150 devices built |
| 14:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically one guy paying all this from his pocket |
| 14:53.39 | ruskie | Minze, heh |
| 14:53.42 | Minze | no foundation behind it? |
| 14:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:53.51 | BluesLee | that is really expensive |
| 14:54.14 | Minze | its sad :( |
| 14:54.34 | Minze | really like the freerunner, although it got replaced by the n900 :) |
| 14:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | you can fund it by ordering at group order which is substantially cheaper than now IIRC |
| 14:54.52 | BluesLee | only for the hard core |
| 14:55.22 | BluesLee | minze: me too |
| 14:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | I think the group order thinhie needs at least 350 orders to start, each order above that will make it cheaper for everybody |
| 14:55.56 | Minze | how does much does that cubox cost, and why is there a hdmi output, would it really be able to display lets say 720p content as mkv for exmaple ruskie |
| 14:56.08 | ruskie | Minze, it's 99eur+shipping |
| 14:56.12 | BluesLee | minze: and now I replaced the n900 by a n9 |
| 14:56.23 | ruskie | I believe it can do 1080p hdmi |
| 14:56.23 | Minze | nah wouldnt do that :) |
| 14:56.31 | ruskie | it has a dedicated decoding chip |
| 14:56.45 | Minze | k, fine thing :) |
| 14:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | starts watching fleabay for his 3rd and 4th N900, just for spare stock |
| 14:57.03 | Minze | might should think about getting myself one, if there are resellers in germany |
| 14:57.14 | ruskie | the cubox is direct sell |
| 14:57.21 | ruskie | they'll send it directly |
| 14:57.51 | ruskie | costs 30 eur for shipping to slovenia |
| 14:59.12 | Minze | could sell my second n900 :) |
| 14:59.21 | ruskie | I still have just the first |
| 14:59.30 | ruskie | in just went out of warranty 4th of december |
| 14:59.59 | Minze | its a funny story. |
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| 15:00.19 | Minze | my first one had a defect, so that i returned it to amazon for a new one |
| 15:00.33 | Minze | strange that they send me both back xD |
| 15:00.41 | ruskie | heh |
| 15:00.42 | ruskie | nice |
| 15:00.49 | Minze | guess it was an error, but well i dont mind :D |
| 15:01.28 | Minze | and the first one seemed had a broken usb-connector that i fixed :) |
| 15:01.41 | Minze | so i could simply put one in ebay :) |
| 15:02.15 | Minze | ive seen guys paying up to 340€ for an used n900 some days before christmas |
| 15:02.47 | Minze | but didnt jump on that "sell n900 for a lot of money on ebay"- train |
| 15:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | Minze: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour |
| 15:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 15:03.54 | Minze | who knows, if one of them get broken in some time |
| 15:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | hates URLs with whitespace |
| 15:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | <http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour> |
| 15:04.27 | Minze | its the devils board :) |
| 15:04.35 | Minze | for 666,66€ |
| 15:06.13 | Minze | strange price though :) |
| 15:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | eh? >>regular: 499€<< |
| 15:06.38 | Minze | hmm gotta take another look |
| 15:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | <http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour> |
| 15:07.15 | Minze | ahh actually they are still seeling them for 449 :D |
| 15:07.35 | Minze | thats cool :) |
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| 15:08.38 | Minze | but still, its outdated before it even got into production :( |
| 15:08.59 | Minze | and yea, newer hardware would even higher the price-tags i know -.- |
| 15:09.18 | Minze | a real doom-loop |
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| 15:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | you can't even get "newer hardware" - we're not Nokia or Samsung |
| 15:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | chip manufs like TI won't even pick up the phone when we call them |
| 15:11.27 | Minze | almost impossible to get an up-to-date device that is fully open(sourced) without paying thousands of dollars in small number production |
| 15:11.49 | Minze | or even worser as you stated :/ |
| 15:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | pay millions, no matter what's the production volume, and you get newest hw |
| 15:12.34 | Minze | yea, shitty world we're living in :/ |
| 15:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I prefer open mature hw to bleeding edge with closed source shitty OS on top |
| 15:13.45 | Minze | yea, the freerunner isnt bad really, although a hw-keyboards would be nice. |
| 15:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 15:14.00 | Minze | on the other hand that wouldnt be upgradable for freerunner-users |
| 15:14.02 | Minze | :/ |
| 15:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | GTA04 schematics already have kbd option :-D |
| 15:14.15 | Minze | narf. |
| 15:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | seems Nikolaus plans for hw-kbd with a BETTER CASE and nice display, for GTA05 TBD in 2012 |
| 15:15.07 | Minze | i believe it, its just dont fit into the regular case. |
| 15:15.38 | Minze | question is what price-tag are we talking about for gta05 :) |
| 15:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | the case is a PITA anyway |
| 15:16.16 | Minze | the case is the easy part, maybe even the cheapest :) |
| 15:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | look at pricetag of e.g. TI OMAP zoom-II, then say "thanks goldelico for the really nice price!" :-D |
| 15:17.00 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, hmm that sounds interesting(gta05) |
| 15:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | Minze: HAHA, moulds: 200k-bucks |
| 15:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | once you got moulds, the plastic crap actually is cheap per unit |
| 15:19.06 | Minze | hmm dont know were to spent 200k bucks for. |
| 15:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | you see, for 25k units we could build *very* nice cases at ~10bucks per case |
| 15:19.29 | Minze | i used build cnc stuff myself :) |
| 15:19.54 | Minze | would guess r/d a case is the most expensive. |
| 15:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | for a million devices (I guess that'S what N900 was) the case is ~50ct |
| 15:20.04 | Minze | production isnt. |
| 15:20.34 | Minze | btw. |
| 15:20.43 | Minze | the "TI OMAP zoom-II" looks kinda cool :) |
| 15:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's the molds which have to be done by hand from massive blocks of steel, to extreme precision, and are very complex |
| 15:20.56 | Minze | as an slider, it would be awesome^^ |
| 15:21.05 | shanttu | care to help with weird depence-issues? libeet1 depends on libeina1. when upgrading, it says it's already on latest. |
| 15:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | Minze: (zoom-II) until you find ourt about the pricetag |
| 15:21.21 | Minze | which is? |
| 15:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~2k |
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| 15:21.43 | Minze | which currency :P |
| 15:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | USD? |
| 15:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | EURO? |
| 15:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 15:22.21 | Minze | nah just kidding, wouldnt make a too big difference though^ |
| 15:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, that's why I dunno |
| 15:23.13 | Minze | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/zoom-ti-001.jpg |
| 15:23.23 | Minze | docking-station included :) |
| 15:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | I actally pondered to get zoom-II before N900 got available, but then I found out the normal size SD card protrudes from case when plugged |
| 15:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | an absolute nogo |
| 15:24.32 | Minze | build yourself a new updated case! |
| 15:24.34 | Minze | :) |
| 15:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | also they prematurely canceled the variant with GSM/3G-modem, due to RoHS issues |
| 15:25.03 | Minze | lol us-marked only then :/ |
| 15:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | which made me laugh rather satanically |
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| 15:25.37 | Minze | guess even nitdroid would be more usable that that device in europe :) |
| 15:25.43 | Minze | than* |
| 15:26.41 | Minze | but atleast their keyboard is 4lined |
| 15:27.12 | Minze | not an must-have. but a nice-to-have |
| 15:27.18 | Minze | a* |
| 15:30.41 | Minze | well i got to go, have a nice day! :) |
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| 17:31.50 | TimmyT | where is kernel power 46? ive added extras-devel repository but cant find kernel power 46. what's the name of that? |
| 17:32.54 | merlin1991 | TimmyT: package name should be kernel-power |
| 17:34.56 | merlin1991 | apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo46 |
| 17:34.58 | TimmyT | is it possible to use "uboot for kernel-power 46" for kernel power 42? |
| 17:35.06 | merlin1991 | ^^ should install anf flash kernel power 46 |
| 17:35.08 | Raimu | That conversation about manufacturers not picking up the phone reminds me of the Cordia Tab: http://cordiatab.com/ |
| 17:35.38 | merlin1991 | TimmyT: no, since uboot works otherwise |
| 17:36.12 | merlin1991 | uboot practically is a kernel that has a bootloader + a fallback kernel attached |
| 17:36.29 | merlin1991 | and the fallbackkernel is what you boot when you type "run noloboot" |
| 17:37.06 | TimmyT | well, is not it because i have installed kernel 42 before? |
| 17:37.23 | merlin1991 | what do you mean? |
| 17:38.18 | TimmyT | nothin,sry |
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| 18:38.46 | jack_lt | Sicelo, seems to work now, thx. only you need Internet connection for the search function in ovi maps apparently |
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| 18:45.30 | Sicelo | kewl |
| 18:45.49 | Sicelo | thank Blaizzen |
| 18:46.36 | jack_lt | is there a dutch language for ovi maps? |
| 18:47.08 | Sicelo | i dunno. shouldn't that go with locale/region? |
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| 18:48.21 | jack_lt | for english_us we downloaded a special zip file right? |
| 18:49.44 | Sicelo | oh, u mean voices. i'm sure there is a dutch voice. looks in that link one more. or get them from a symbian phone somewhere |
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| 18:53.45 | Sicelo | hmmm, i wasn't aware HAM seems to autoremove packages it think are 'useless'. espeak is gone, and i know for sure i installed it a week ago, and didn't remove it thereafter. |
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| 21:55.18 | zozeta2 | hiii |
| 21:57.13 | zozeta2 | some one tell me how to get scratchbox or apt-build on my n900 |
| 21:58.37 | merlin1991 | zozeta2: there is no such a thing as apt-build |
| 21:58.50 | merlin1991 | scratchbox is for cross compiling on your pc |
| 21:59.07 | merlin1991 | you do can get gcc make and friends on the n900 if you add the sdk repo |
| 21:59.20 | merlin1991 | but it's risky since it eats up your rootfs space way too fast |
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| 22:01.08 | Phlogistique | hi |
| 22:01.22 | SpeedEvil | Just copy / to a chroot, then apt-get build-essentials to the chroot, and do stuff in that |
| 22:01.25 | SpeedEvil | works well |
| 22:01.40 | Phlogistique | http://hpaste.org/55745 got a problem with my apt-get |
| 22:01.54 | Phlogistique | O have extras-devel activated |
| 22:02.08 | Phlogistique | any idea how to fix? |
| 22:02.14 | Phlogistique | *I have |
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| 22:08.40 | zozeta2 | so if i can i do in xterm like this for this or the repo wil not accept apt-get install build-essentails |
| 22:09.08 | henkie | Hello, is it possible to stream audio to the n900 using ad2p? |
| 22:09.31 | henkie | I have enabled "source" in the bluetooth configuration, but bluez doesnt buy it :) |
| 22:10.02 | zozeta2 | oohh some elss can we make my music gos on to lestin it online ? like radios |
| 22:12.52 | zozeta2 | build-essentails no package foun |
| 22:12.59 | zozeta2 | found |
| 22:13.23 | henkie | essentials ? |
| 22:13.43 | zozeta2 | ooooo so i have to make apt-get o ? |
| 22:13.46 | zozeta2 | hehehheh |
| 22:14.14 | SpeedEvil | you need to add the tols repository |
| 22:14.15 | SpeedEvil | tools |
| 22:14.18 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki |
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| 22:15.01 | zozeta2 | repositroy enable for extra-devle |
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| 22:21.16 | zozeta2 | how iam confused ?? |
| 22:21.22 | zozeta2 | i donwload now chroot |
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| 22:40.16 | zozeta2 | merline ? |
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| 22:41.01 | jack_lt | hmm navit crashes after adding a navit.xml file |
| 22:41.19 | zozeta2 | ya sure |
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| 22:51.23 | henkie | hmm, de API seems to support streaming audio to the n900 --> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/bluez/audio-api.txt (chap. AudioSource hierarchy) |
| 23:15.28 | zozeta2 | hi cant ant work for building deb files ????...... |
| 23:15.54 | zozeta2 | the 41mb application |
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| 23:26.54 | dRbiG | hello |
| 23:29.02 | zozeta2 | hi |
| 23:30.12 | zozeta2 | hi |
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| 23:31.27 | zozeta2 | hi |
| 23:31.56 | zozeta2 | hi |
| 23:32.21 | beford | herro |
| 23:32.27 | zozeta2 | ?? |
| 23:32.32 | zozeta2 | whereo |
| 23:35.51 | zozeta2 | ????? |
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| 23:58.09 | zozeta2 | ls |
