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| 03:23.24 | zakkkmm | Hey, can someone help me configure the power button to automatically do "secure device", rather than bring up the menu? |
| 03:23.40 | zakkkmm | or guide me to some app that can accomplish this? |
| 03:24.09 | psycho_oreos | why couldn't you simply press the power button twice? that already does turn off the screen |
| 03:24.26 | zakkkmm | cause i want it to ask for the password, not just blank. |
| 03:24.37 | psycho_oreos | and secure device does not effectively mean `secure device' it just simply locks the screen with a slider |
| 03:24.38 | zakkkmm | otherwise i could just use the rocker |
| 03:24.57 | zakkkmm | it makes it ask for the password for me? |
| 03:25.03 | psycho_oreos | well over time it may go into the proper `enter lock code' |
| 03:25.07 | psycho_oreos | weird |
| 03:25.29 | zakkkmm | as soon as i click secure device.. the password thing pops up, then it blanks like a second later |
| 03:25.56 | zakkkmm | generally i been doing power button - secure device - push rocker(to blank screen) |
| 03:26.11 | zakkkmm | i want it to just be power button .. done |
| 03:27.17 | psycho_oreos | I've stopped using that switch, because I have otterbox commuter case, its awkward to not be able to use nails to flick the switch. Anyhow, no I have no idea and again in my case I could not get it to show up the area for one to enter lock code |
| 03:27.50 | zakkkmm | i have the otterbox case too, i dont use it though aha. adds too much bulk |
| 03:28.18 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs at the extra bulk* at least it does the job in protecting :) |
| 03:28.58 | zakkkmm | yeah |
| 03:29.22 | zakkkmm | i wanna switch from blackberry to maemo, but i cant use it without a quick way to lock the device |
| 03:29.57 | zakkkmm | on blackberry it locks on holster adding, or by pressing "k" key. |
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| 03:31.22 | psycho_oreos | I know there is a file that handles the power key menu, but I'm uncertain if one goes and say comments all the un-necessary fields except for lock screen option, would it be able for the device to simply lock screen should there be only one choice |
| 03:32.18 | zakkkmm | can you add to locker perhaps? |
| 03:32.45 | psycho_oreos | that I'm not sure |
| 03:32.58 | dangergrrl | you can run blackberry on an n900? |
| 03:33.12 | zakkkmm | dangergrrl: :P, blackberry to n900 .. i have both phones |
| 03:33.17 | psycho_oreos | I think you misread |
| 03:33.57 | dangergrrl | the n900 is a great handheld linux pc |
| 03:34.02 | dangergrrl | crappy phone |
| 03:34.11 | dangergrrl | love it |
| 03:34.26 | zakkkmm | i dont do much except call/txt a bit |
| 03:34.30 | psycho_oreos | hence its called `internet tablet with phone functionality' |
| 03:34.48 | dangergrrl | well i love mine |
| 03:35.09 | dangergrrl | but i don't reccommend it much to others because of that |
| 03:35.21 | dangergrrl | unless they are linux hackers |
| 03:35.56 | dangergrrl | it also reduces it's theft value |
| 03:36.23 | zakkkmm | that nobody wants it? |
| 03:36.38 | zakkkmm | whats wrong with it? Its well built |
| 03:36.39 | psycho_oreos | I'd do exactly that, I only recommend N900 to those whom will be willing to tinker rather than thinking they have a phone and expect it to run completely and flawlessly as a phone. |
| 03:36.41 | dangergrrl | that most people can't use it for what it is good at |
| 03:36.58 | zakkkmm | whats it good at? |
| 03:37.05 | dangergrrl | it is pretty robust |
| 03:37.14 | dangergrrl | i took it camping in the mountains |
| 03:37.19 | dangergrrl | have dropped it |
| 03:37.35 | dangergrrl | never tried n900fly to see how high i could throw it |
| 03:38.10 | dangergrrl | it is great at doing the things i expect from a linux pc with low ram |
| 03:38.52 | zakkkmm | any of you overclock your n900? |
| 03:38.55 | dangergrrl | i bet it would run settlers 2 in dosbox fine |
| 03:39.13 | dangergrrl | only if i have to |
| 03:39.52 | zakkkmm | when i first got it im like ahh its too expensive, i would hate it if it were to fail, now with the value drop so much, im wondering if its worth it |
| 03:39.56 | dangergrrl | i have video files that break without overclocking |
| 03:40.15 | dangergrrl | i want an n9 |
| 03:40.25 | dangergrrl | the pink ome with 64gb |
| 03:40.30 | dangergrrl | but i am poor |
| 03:40.53 | psycho_oreos | I'd never want to throw my N900 let alone use N900fly as a way of seeing how far/high I can throw the device. I completely agree on the fact that its rather and expensive (and now somewhat rare) for one to have N900 let alone sourcing it |
| 03:40.59 | dangergrrl | it has enough ram |
| 03:41.37 | dangergrrl | i tossed it above a pillow because n900fly made me lmao |
| 03:41.40 | psycho_oreos | its called magenta, and apparently according to tmo threads, there's no magenta 64GB apart from fake ones |
| 03:41.43 | zakkkmm | is meego/alternatives worth trying on n900? |
| 03:41.45 | zakkkmm | as a replacement? |
| 03:42.02 | dangergrrl | i know they call it magenta |
| 03:42.10 | dangergrrl | but it is pink |
| 03:43.23 | dangergrrl | the idea of throwing a $350 device as high as you can made me laugh |
| 03:43.32 | dangergrrl | so i had to try the program |
| 03:43.42 | zakkkmm | n900 is still $350? |
| 03:43.50 | dangergrrl | when i bought mine |
| 03:43.57 | zakkkmm | ah |
| 03:44.02 | dangergrrl | a year ago |
| 03:44.09 | dangergrrl | should have dropped now |
| 03:44.13 | dangergrrl | dunno if it has |
| 03:45.22 | psycho_oreos | I think you'll find it hard to find a seller that would sell a genuinely brand spanking new N900 without charging you around that much... a few new N900 owners (on tmo) have described what is meant to be a refurbished N900 |
| 03:45.25 | dangergrrl | N(x) devices are rare in the us |
| 03:45.48 | zakkkmm | im in Toronto, Canada. |
| 03:45.55 | zakkkmm | id sell mine for $350 :P |
| 03:46.02 | dangergrrl | i would not |
| 03:46.14 | zakkkmm | why not? |
| 03:46.51 | dangergrrl | i was homeless with the n900 as my only computer |
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| 03:47.19 | dangergrrl | it is a nice computer and i can carry it in my pocket |
| 03:47.26 | psycho_oreos | zakkkmm, and mark your N900 as brand new? that's pretty sad :) |
| 03:47.46 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure not many N900 sellers would sell that much anyway (in USD) |
| 03:47.59 | psycho_oreos | like the ones found on tmo threads, even some of the ebay listings |
| 03:48.02 | dangergrrl | anything i can do about a badly scratched screen? |
| 03:48.05 | luke-jr | I found a "new" one for $200 |
| 03:48.15 | zakkkmm | luke-jr!? still around |
| 03:48.21 | luke-jr | ? |
| 03:48.29 | zakkkmm | long time :) |
| 03:48.32 | luke-jr | :P |
| 03:49.05 | psycho_oreos | dangergrrl, not really, though I saw a kit you could buy to polish the screen and *theoretically* mask the scratches up. Don't tell me you don't even have a screen cover for your N(00 |
| 03:49.10 | psycho_oreos | s/N(00/N900/ |
| 03:49.27 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: what would you need a screen cover for? |
| 03:49.39 | luke-jr | I have no screen cover, I've dropped it a few times, and there's still no scratches on the screen |
| 03:50.01 | zakkkmm | is there no app/easy configuration for my secure device issue? |
| 03:50.05 | zakkkmm | luke-jr: me too |
| 03:50.07 | dangergrrl | i used a screen cover but it interfered with the touch screen |
| 03:50.36 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, for various things.. one good instance is putting N900 in the same pocket with keys for instance |
| 03:50.38 | zakkkmm | luke-jr, your the one that attempted the gentoo port right? |
| 03:50.43 | zakkkmm | back in the day |
| 03:50.47 | luke-jr | ok, N900 is actually $200 + 45 minutes driving/gas |
| 03:50.52 | luke-jr | zakkkmm: still working on it |
| 03:50.57 | luke-jr | zakkkmm: this time on N900 |
| 03:51.03 | dangergrrl | luke-jr you were gonna run gentoo on n900? |
| 03:51.12 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I see. I keep keys in the OTHER pocket :P |
| 03:51.14 | zakkkmm | luke-jr: you made me want to buy a n810 back in the day :) |
| 03:51.16 | luke-jr | dangergrrl: I do. |
| 03:51.22 | luke-jr | zakkkmm: I'm sorry. |
| 03:51.26 | dangergrrl | i am a funtoo person |
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| 03:51.53 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, not saying that I do, but I have my N900 WITH screen cover AND otterbox commuter case in the same pocket.. keys, etc in other/s pocket :) |
| 03:52.03 | psycho_oreos | err other pocket/s |
| 03:52.19 | dangergrrl | i have poverty |
| 03:52.32 | dangergrrl | if i pay rent i can't buy anything |
| 03:52.46 | dangergrrl | well, i bought a domain |
| 03:53.07 | dangergrrl | dangergrrl.info |
| 03:53.20 | dangergrrl | nothing there yet |
| 03:54.03 | luke-jr | … |
| 03:55.15 | dangergrrl | it was cheap |
| 03:55.24 | dangergrrl | like $7.50 for a year |
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| 03:57.56 | psycho_oreos | ... you'd freeload just to buy a domain simply because of the fact that you could get yer internet handle registered to you? how sad |
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| 03:58.48 | dangergrrl | uhm i want to work |
| 03:58.57 | dangergrrl | i am trying |
| 03:59.22 | dangergrrl | i am not freeloading |
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| 04:01.14 | psycho_oreos | I was about to say, it sounded like as if you sacrificed paying rent just to register a domain |
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| 04:05.51 | dangergrrl | no i paid rent |
| 04:05.59 | dangergrrl | it is winter in colorado |
| 04:06.02 | dangergrrl | not stupid |
| 04:06.45 | dangergrrl | and if i don't pay rent i have to live outside at 9000 feet |
| 04:07.36 | dangergrrl | in summer i try not to pay rent |
| 04:07.50 | dangergrrl | it is nice living on federal lands then |
| 04:08.41 | zakkkmm | dangergrrl, lack of job hunting? |
| 04:09.32 | dangergrrl | cognitive disorder from head bashing |
| 04:11.58 | zakkkmm | :( |
| 04:12.55 | zakkkmm | anyone here use sleep analyzer? |
| 04:13.08 | zakkkmm | the maemo app |
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| 04:18.44 | dangergrrl | seems interesting |
| 04:19.16 | dangergrrl | one could write a program to help lucid dreaming |
| 04:19.42 | dangergrrl | if you had telemetry for REM |
| 04:20.40 | dangergrrl | zakkkmm, i am slow mentally, not dumb but it takes time, and i fear men |
| 04:20.52 | dangergrrl | i can't work in IT in an office |
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| 04:21.35 | zakkkmm | work from home, IT? |
| 04:22.09 | dangergrrl | trying |
| 04:22.25 | dangergrrl | drobbins does it |
| 04:22.34 | dangergrrl | but he is famous |
| 04:22.43 | zakkkmm | drobbins? |
| 04:22.59 | dangergrrl | the creator of gentoo |
| 04:23.07 | dangergrrl | daniel |
| 04:23.10 | dangergrrl | robbins |
| 04:23.19 | zakkkmm | wow |
| 04:23.40 | zakkkmm | gentoo is awesome, home pc is gentoo. |
| 04:23.42 | dangergrrl | he is my friend kina on irc at least |
| 04:24.01 | dangergrrl | i use funtoo |
| 04:24.07 | dangergrrl | it is his new thing |
| 04:27.14 | zakkkmm | ah sounds pretty nice |
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| 05:32.38 | happymonkey | if we have power kernel on the n900 how do we get the camera to work again? |
| 05:32.55 | luke-jr | never stopped working for me |
| 05:33.41 | happymonkey | I appear to have 48 installed right now |
| 05:33.47 | happymonkey | and the camera is borked |
| 05:37.55 | luke-jr | I only have 42 and 49 |
| 05:40.21 | Sicelo | happymonkey: iirc u reinstall drivers. check tmo. |
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| 06:08.10 | swiftkick | are there any tablet sized phones that run maemo? |
| 06:08.46 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 06:09.05 | psycho_oreos | N900 is the only tablet that has phone functionality |
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| 06:17.27 | swiftkick | psycho_oreos: thanks |
| 06:17.42 | swiftkick | what about anything running linux, moblin, meego |
| 06:18.47 | luke-jr | tablet-sized = 7" ? |
| 06:19.03 | auenf | do some people consider the htc hd2 tablet sized? |
| 06:19.07 | swiftkick | i mean |
| 06:19.11 | swiftkick | bigger than the n900 =) |
| 06:19.21 | auenf | hd2 runs meego doesnt it? |
| 06:19.58 | auenf | http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=984 |
| 06:23.36 | psycho_oreos | I think there's less than a handful of devices running meego, though it is possible in theory to run meego in chroot environment and I'm sure there's plenty of devices that supports chroot. Though running meego natively heavily depends on various factors leaving the possibility of running meego natively on a device fairly slim and restricted to less than a handful of devices |
| 06:25.29 | swiftkick | yeah |
| 06:25.52 | swiftkick | ive always wondered what you get if you get one of those generic phone/tablet developer kits from china that give you a choice of Windows Mobile, Android, or Linux.. they generally come with a CD of the OS and/or an x86 friendly cross-development toolchain |
| 06:27.24 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing not a lot, one of me mate (friend) whom got a Chinese branded tablet and their guides were either in Chinese (simplified) or broken English with tools mostly for windows |
| 06:27.47 | swiftkick | well i mean, look at this, this was the result of a very quick ebay search |
| 06:27.48 | swiftkick | http://www.ebay.com/itm/FriendARM-Tiny6410-S3C6410-ARM11-development-board-4-3-TFT-LCD-Android-Linux-/150722727025?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2317c64c71 |
| 06:28.14 | swiftkick | that one might not have a GSM modem or phone functionality built in |
| 06:28.21 | swiftkick | but OTOH its only $144 |
| 06:31.54 | sethstorm | swiftkick: as for the HD2, you lose FM and keyboard for certain, but you do get a different digitizer |
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| 06:35.12 | swiftkick | what im wondering is |
| 06:35.20 | swiftkick | heres a new question |
| 06:35.27 | swiftkick | is the cell call functionality SS7 ? |
| 06:35.45 | swiftkick | i know its proprietary on maemo. is that open source on meego? |
| 06:36.14 | swiftkick | the actual codebase that handles placing voice calls over the PSTN via GSM etc.... |
| 06:37.25 | auenf | meego or harmattan? |
| 06:38.03 | swiftkick | anything, lol. i'm pretty much a newb to maemo with an n900 i purchased recently, but not really new to linux or embedded systems |
| 06:40.24 | swiftkick | ive been thumbing thru various docs online, the wiki, etc. ive already added a crapton of packages from the repositories. but im still not clear on what meego represents since the N9 runs mameo 6. |
| 06:40.48 | auenf | ok, as long as you have that distinction worked out |
| 06:41.03 | auenf | harmattan is likely not much more open than fremantle |
| 06:41.11 | auenf | but meego should be more open |
| 06:42.17 | auenf | https://meego.com/projects |
| 06:43.57 | psycho_oreos | though meego relies on RPM as opposed to DEB package environments |
| 06:44.27 | swiftkick | oh nice |
| 06:44.54 | swiftkick | meego is redhat derived? |
| 06:46.28 | psycho_oreos | no, more like it just utilises the RPM instead |
| 06:46.29 | swiftkick | interesting |
| 06:46.55 | psycho_oreos | you could say its kinda like opensuse sort of situation.. not part of redhat let alone affiliated however just using the same package management |
| 06:47.40 | auenf | RPM packaging came from moblin |
| 06:48.09 | swiftkick | well im definitely having fun with this N900, its my first attempt at an upgrade from my Nokia 9300 in a while. |
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| 06:48.47 | auenf | 9300 has hildon iirc |
| 06:48.56 | psycho_oreos | "While RPM was originally written in 1997 by Erik Troan and Marc Ewing[3] for use in Red Hat Linux, RPM is now used in many GNU/Linux distributions. It has also been ported to some other operating systems, such as Novell NetWare (as of version 6.5 SP3) and IBM's AIX as of version 4." - wikipedia |
| 06:49.01 | auenf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ |
| 06:49.59 | swiftkick | auenf: aha, yes, I'd heard a little about this. the irony is, the 9300 is a very sturdy physical build. but the symbian version S80 it ran was like a dead fork of the symbian tree. |
| 06:50.38 | swiftkick | the nice thing aobut a 9300 is it will run a lot of basic java apps too, i mean for $50 like new on ebay, its a very disposable phone |
| 06:51.08 | swiftkick | and i was looking kinda in the direction of an N97, but then I realized I'd much rather have something a more tablet like experience |
| 06:51.22 | swiftkick | as opposed to the more phone-like experience I'd probably get on the N97 |
| 06:53.02 | psycho_oreos | what about E7? I don't know if it runs hildon but |
| 06:53.14 | swiftkick | I've definitely tried to upgrade before. I'd tried a few other brands, an HTC device or two - the Tilt and/or TytnII, I forget which ones... also some blackberry crap |
| 06:53.34 | swiftkick | but they werent linux and they definitely lacked that sturdy build of the old 6300/9300 era physical builds of the Nokias |
| 06:53.51 | swiftkick | i'd drop it like twice, and, time for a new display |
| 06:54.30 | swiftkick | or my favorite, spontaneous electrical failure. that got one of the HTCs - apparently from static discharge in an automobile on a cold winter day here in chicago. |
| 06:55.59 | swiftkick | needless to say, while the N900 definitely seems to have a far sturdier build on the slide mechanism than I'd seen on a friends HTC product. |
| 06:56.45 | swiftkick | I am still trying to be a little more careful with taking good care of this device. |
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| 06:57.09 | swiftkick | the thing is, hildon looks cool, but its dead |
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| 06:58.33 | swiftkick | and although i didnt read every last scrap of documentation on the n900 before buying it, i could have sworn I read somewhere that maemo6 was going to "be" meego... I didn't realize there was that much of an architectural difference |
| 06:59.15 | swiftkick | so the irony is this might be a great phone, but maemo5 might end up like Symbian 80 on the Nokia 9300 |
| 07:00.26 | auenf | or do you mean series 90 :P |
| 07:00.37 | ruskie | I thought both were dead |
| 07:00.39 | swiftkick | whats series 90 |
| 07:00.41 | ruskie | 80 and 90 |
| 07:00.46 | swiftkick | is that like the 97's |
| 07:00.48 | auenf | nokia 7700/7710 |
| 07:00.51 | swiftkick | oh nice |
| 07:01.01 | auenf | 7700 never got released |
| 07:01.03 | swiftkick | i didnt know there was another symbian edition besides 60 and 80 |
| 07:01.19 | auenf | when 7710 got released, all 'series 90' info got changed to stuff like 'SDK for nokia 7710) |
| 07:01.53 | auenf | which reminds me, need to charge my 7710 and get a pic of it next to my n900 and n9 |
| 07:02.39 | auenf | what else do i need to finish my stillborn device collection? |
| 07:03.05 | swiftkick | so is it worth upgrading from maemo5 freemantle to mameo5 hanmattan ? I look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan and I'm not seeing any dates that look very recent |
| 07:03.36 | auenf | err, freemantle is maemo 5, harmattan is maemo 6 rebranded to meego 1.2 harmattan |
| 07:03.43 | swiftkick | ah |
| 07:03.47 | swiftkick | er |
| 07:03.49 | swiftkick | confusing |
| 07:03.51 | psycho_oreos | N950.. they're extremely rare |
| 07:03.56 | swiftkick | but i thought maemo6 doesnt run on the N900 ? |
| 07:04.01 | psycho_oreos | no it doesn't |
| 07:04.03 | auenf | 6 doesnt run on n900, no |
| 07:04.10 | swiftkick | but meego does? |
| 07:04.25 | psycho_oreos | meego is open source, harmattan/fremantle aren't |
| 07:04.46 | psycho_oreos | and there's hardware differences. N900 uses softfp, N950/N9 uses hardfp |
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| 07:05.35 | swiftkick | comparing the pace of activity of blog posts and last updated dates on the maemo.org site versus the two meego sites, meego seems a bit dead |
| 07:05.49 | auenf | <psycho_oreos> N950.. they're extremely rare <-- i'd need 7700 also? |
| 07:05.50 | swiftkick | the N9 is already out isn't it? its running this meego 1.2 harmattan? |
| 07:06.18 | swiftkick | softfp/hardfp? floating point? <guess> |
| 07:06.26 | psycho_oreos | yes floating point |
| 07:06.32 | psycho_oreos | auenf, 7700? symbian? bleh |
| 07:06.45 | auenf | hildon :P |
| 07:06.47 | psycho_oreos | swiftkick, yes N9 is already out in selected countries, N950 otoh isn't |
| 07:06.56 | psycho_oreos | auenf, that's the UI not the base platform :þ |
| 07:07.45 | swiftkick | its cool, i'm pretty much stuck with the n900 =) |
| 07:08.11 | luke-jr | I use hardfp on N900 |
| 07:08.36 | luke-jr | that's not a hardware difference. |
| 07:08.45 | swiftkick | i got it in mint condition for less than $200, and its basically my first investment in the direction of a tablet style device. |
| 07:09.12 | luke-jr | swiftkick: there probably won't be a viable replacement for N900 for years |
| 07:09.53 | swiftkick | thing is |
| 07:09.57 | swiftkick | i could use something a little bigger |
| 07:10.04 | luke-jr | yeah, N900 was a bit small |
| 07:10.12 | auenf | bit thick also |
| 07:10.14 | swiftkick | this will make a nice phone, and the linux aspect is neat, i will definitely explore that more |
| 07:10.40 | psycho_oreos | N900 isn't really that thick.. try adding otterbox commuter series case onto the N900 before saying its thick :þ |
| 07:10.58 | luke-jr | N900 is too thin, actually |
| 07:11.07 | swiftkick | im fascinated by medium to higher performance computing or telephony in odd form factors... |
| 07:11.13 | Raimu | Depends on what you're using it for. |
| 07:11.59 | swiftkick | the N900 is 4.3" diagonal? |
| 07:12.11 | auenf | 3.9"? |
| 07:12.25 | swiftkick | oh well the screen is 3.9 and the body is 4.3 |
| 07:13.06 | auenf | hmm, 3.5" screen |
| 07:13.07 | swiftkick | i could see a 6" or even 7" tablet phone, depending on the aspect ratio |
| 07:13.32 | auenf | i've got a zte v9 (7" android tablet" |
| 07:13.36 | auenf | its sorta pocketable |
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| 07:13.46 | auenf | it'll fit in jeans back pocket, but stick out the top |
| 07:13.49 | swiftkick | auenf: is it also a phone? |
| 07:14.00 | auenf | also, you'd also look like a tool trying to use it as a phone |
| 07:14.04 | swiftkick | lol |
| 07:14.07 | auenf | it can make/receive calls |
| 07:14.10 | auenf | but only in speakerphone |
| 07:14.52 | swiftkick | yah i think my friends galaxy tab has that option too |
| 07:15.01 | swiftkick | or you can unlock the dialer somehow |
| 07:15.19 | auenf | came with 2.1 |
| 07:15.24 | auenf | upgradeable to 2.2 |
| 07:15.34 | auenf | so its just a 7" android phone |
| 07:15.58 | auenf | http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_v9-3903.php |
| 07:17.37 | swiftkick | oh well |
| 07:18.07 | auenf | 7" is far too big for a phone :P |
| 07:18.19 | auenf | 5" is probably the limit (streak, galaxy note) |
| 07:18.36 | swiftkick | i somewhat agree about 7" being the limit, but only for the current form factor of tablets |
| 07:18.46 | swiftkick | if you narrowed it up a little more it wouldnt be quite so awkward |
| 07:19.05 | swiftkick | its another case where im surprised there isnt a 6" |
| 07:20.00 | psycho_oreos | isn't it these days, headphones/headset are all the rage? and especially wireless types? I mean why would you want to hold something like 7" device close to yer ear? |
| 07:21.39 | RST38h | psycho: You may want to use a pin to attach it to your ear |
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| 07:50.39 | Sicelo | wow, at ~267 ppi pixel density n900 screen still beats many, incl. N9 |
| 07:52.24 | luke-jr | Sicelo: bet if you check the touch density, N900 beats everything in the last year ;) |
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| 08:18.51 | Sicelo | hmm, i just installed Keepassx on my N900. it's nice, but UI is unusable. menu is too squashed :( |
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| 08:49.22 | badcloud | wow, gotta say I'm kind of disappointed in the lack of os options for the n900 |
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| 08:50.05 | Sicelo | is there another handheld with more options? |
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| 08:50.20 | badcloud | Sicelo: openmoko.org |
| 08:50.37 | jacekowski | openmoko is dead |
| 08:50.56 | badcloud | jacekowski: no, it's not. GTA04 came out just recently |
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| 08:51.48 | badcloud | (latest hw revision) |
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| 08:52.38 | jacekowski | and it costs like 2x as much |
| 08:52.55 | ruskie | and it still lacks a core component |
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| 09:02.57 | ShadowJK | badcloud_; dunno any other phone with as many os options, most other are single os only :p |
| 09:03.13 | nid0 | arguably the hd2 |
| 09:04.17 | badcloud_ | ShadowJK: again, I point to openmoko. you've got at least 5 decent, working distros |
| 09:04.46 | ShadowJK | would be cool if gta04 came with a case with keyboard |
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| 09:05.00 | badcloud_ | ShadowJK: +1 |
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| 09:07.06 | jacekowski | badcloud_: on n900, you've got meego, maemo, debian. android, ubuntu |
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| 09:07.40 | hiemanshu | fedora, and other stuff too :P |
| 09:07.49 | badcloud_ | jacekowski: meego doesn't seem to have good keyboard support, at least without installing something extra |
| 09:08.18 | badcloud_ | android, at least from the wiki page doesn't have wifi |
| 09:08.25 | badcloud_ | debian doesn't do gsm |
| 09:08.26 | hiemanshu | there is also mer, and nemo and plasma active |
| 09:08.38 | badcloud_ | ubuntu requires at least class 6 usd |
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| 09:09.44 | jacekowski | no it doesn't |
| 09:09.50 | jacekowski | it's recommended for performance reasons |
| 09:09.58 | jacekowski | but you can run it on aything |
| 09:10.09 | badcloud_ | jacekowski: how well would it run on a class 2? |
| 09:10.18 | jacekowski | slowly |
| 09:10.22 | nid0 | not very, but whats that got to do with the n900? |
| 09:10.24 | ShadowJK | Many class10 and class6 cards are slower than sandisk class 4 and even class 2 anyways.. |
| 09:11.01 | badcloud_ | all I'm saying is that choices are limited due to lack of functionality in each available distro |
| 09:11.17 | badcloud_ | you're always going to give up something by choosing something other than maemo |
| 09:12.50 | badcloud_ | I'm not trying to troll, I'm just saying what I've experienced trying to use meego and from what I've read online about the others |
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| 09:14.52 | ShadowJK | I think people start porting an os and then say "meh, maemo is good enough" and goes back to using maemo :P |
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| 10:13.49 | badcloud_ | ir keyboard with n900? not much info online |
| 10:14.20 | SpeedEvil | n900 has no designed IR reciever. |
| 10:15.14 | badcloud_ | SpeedEvil: thanks |
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| 13:03.52 | N00B__ | Hey there |
| 13:04.11 | N00B__ | any N900 experts ? |
| 13:05.39 | N00B__ | hmm |
| 13:05.43 | N00B__ | nobody there |
| 13:05.58 | N00B__ | hello? |
| 13:06.34 | dm8tbr | you'll never find out unless you ask your real question, stupid. |
| 13:06.42 | badcloud | dm8tbr: be nice |
| 13:06.57 | N00B__ | lol |
| 13:07.43 | N00B__ | is installing any other OS on N900 like backtrack or ubunto or nitdroid have the same method ? |
| 13:08.04 | N00B__ | multi-boot |
| 13:08.53 | N00B__ | dm8tbr here is my real question, bitch xD |
| 13:10.53 | badcloud | N00B__: I think the methods differ slightly |
| 13:11.03 | badcloud | but all along the same idea |
| 13:11.16 | badcloud | which is format partition on flash/microsd |
| 13:11.21 | badcloud | extract image |
| 13:11.30 | badcloud | install bootmenu/bootloader |
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| 13:11.38 | badcloud | disco! |
| 13:11.48 | N00B__ | ohh i see.. thanks dude :)) |
| 13:12.09 | badcloud | no prob |
| 13:12.22 | N00B__ | but why do i need to format the memorycard ? |
| 13:12.46 | badcloud | some need ext2/3 filesystem |
| 13:13.17 | N00B__ | doesn't seems that hard.. thanks for helping |
| 13:13.42 | badcloud | np |
| 13:21.02 | dm8tbr | badcloud: it got him talking, mission accomplished |
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| 13:47.30 | badcloud | dm8tbr: touche |
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| 14:14.30 | Pure | guys what is the mean of MMC and eMMC ? |
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| 14:16.57 | Pure | guys what is the mean of MMC and eMMC ? |
| 14:17.04 | javispedro | MMC means "MultiMedia Card", a type of flash memory, while eMMC means "Embedded Multimedia Card" |
| 14:17.23 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard |
| 14:17.46 | Pure | MMC and eMMC are memory cards like the SD ? |
| 14:17.56 | javispedro | on the context of Maemo devices, eMMC is usually used to refer to the internal, non removable card |
| 14:18.03 | javispedro | yes |
| 14:18.57 | Pure | ohhh the eMMC is the internal memory and MMC is the SD one XD thanks |
| 14:19.36 | javispedro | internal memory _card_, it is important |
| 14:19.54 | javispedro | because there is also the NAND/OneNAND |
| 14:20.32 | Pure | hmm okkay |
| 14:20.51 | javispedro | for example the N900 contains a 256MB OneNAND chip, a 32GB eMMC card, and the SD card slot. |
| 14:23.58 | Pure | 256 is for apps ? |
| 14:24.28 | SpeedEvil | Not really |
| 14:24.34 | SpeedEvil | 256 is for the 'core' system |
| 14:24.41 | SpeedEvil | It won't properly boot without the emmc |
| 14:25.30 | Pure | ohh got it |
| 14:26.08 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 14:26.23 | javispedro | moo RST38h et all |
| 14:26.36 | SpeedEvil | With pr1.0, I think it would. |
| 14:26.56 | Pure | can you give me a link for flashing tutorial ? |
| 14:27.17 | SpeedEvil | ~flasing |
| 14:27.19 | SpeedEvil | `flashing |
| 14:27.22 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 14:27.23 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:27.35 | Pure | lol thanks xD |
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| 14:31.33 | Pure | can i use the flasher to install the modded image that have 8gb apps 20gb files ? |
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| 14:43.53 | Pure | to install the modded 8gb apps 20gb files should i use the flasher ? |
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| 14:45.59 | javispedro | note that modded images are theoretically illegal |
| 14:46.27 | javispedro | it is quite easy to do it oneself |
| 14:46.38 | javispedro | there were instructions somewhere |
| 14:50.55 | Pure | illegal and they put links to download in meamo.org ? |
| 14:51.05 | Pure | if it is easy to do i don't mind do it myself |
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| 15:45.31 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 15:45.36 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (7h 40m 41s) #harmattan (7h 40m 41s) #meego (7h 40m 41s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 2h 20m 59s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. |
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| 16:07.00 | badcloud | anyone tried pairing with this? http://www.1800mobiles.com/bluetooth-keyboard1.html |
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| 16:23.01 | Berlinermauer | Hey Guys, Does anyone know how to fix the following: I'm unable to install the new Maemo Update, released some weeks ago. I always get the Message, that I wouldn't have enough Application Memory, but this is definately false. Usual Apps are updateable without errors?! |
| 16:28.33 | merlin1991 | Berlinermauer: in how far is it defenitely flase? |
| 16:28.48 | merlin1991 | what does 'df -h' tell you about space in / ? |
| 16:29.15 | Berlinermauer | well i don't know how much exactly, but afaik in "settings->Space" it said something about 200mb? I'll look, just a sec |
| 16:30.34 | merlin1991 | can't be 200mb, because / is only ~230 mb :D |
| 16:30.38 | merlin1991 | I've got 88 here |
| 16:31.33 | Berlinermauer | xD |
| 16:31.47 | Berlinermauer | wtf |
| 16:31.56 | Berlinermauer | you're right, somehow unter / i have use%: 100% xD |
| 16:31.58 | merlin1991 | Berlinermauer: the important lines are the first one (ubi0:rootfs) and the one with /dev/mmcb1k0p2 |
| 16:32.13 | merlin1991 | well go digging what eats up your rootfs space :D |
| 16:32.59 | Berlinermauer | the /dev/mmcb1k0p2 uses 1.3G out of 2GB |
| 16:33.29 | merlin1991 | that's whay it says you have space in settings->space |
| 16:33.36 | merlin1991 | but that's only /opt |
| 16:33.54 | merlin1991 | I guess some rouge app wrote to your rootfs and filled it up :/ |
| 16:34.15 | Berlinermauer | well how can i get an overview of how much space a particular folder uses? |
| 16:34.23 | Berlinermauer | ls-ls doesn't return the thruth i guess |
| 16:34.34 | merlin1991 | du -h . |
| 16:35.02 | Berlinermauer | i i have a file "/core" which was created on the 1st of January 1970, i geuss its a systemfile? |
| 16:35.26 | merlin1991 | don't have that one here |
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| 16:36.10 | Berlinermauer | well it takes 15319040 Bytes |
| 16:36.27 | merlin1991 | ls -lh gives you readable results ;) |
| 16:36.29 | Berlinermauer | thats about 14mb well |
| 16:36.46 | Berlinermauer | You're a genious ;) |
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| 16:39.01 | Berlinermauer | well thousands of files got listed :P |
| 16:39.11 | Berlinermauer | even with | grep M |
| 16:39.59 | merlin1991 | enhance your grep ;) |
| 16:40.59 | Berlinermauer | Is there an Option that du -h doesnt list me everything, but only the folders with a summary of the size? |
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| 16:43.05 | villager | what du -h is listing *is* the folders |
| 16:43.11 | aholler_ | -s |
| 16:43.53 | aholler | du -sbh * |
| 16:44.47 | villager | if you're only interested in the rootfs, you should probably add -x |
| 16:45.53 | Berlinermauer | Yeah, i wanted to say, to stop it from being recursive, so that it only lists the TopLevel Folders |
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| 16:47.29 | villager | for toplevel either "-s *" or "-d 1" would work, but it is unlikely that the result would be all that useful... I'd recommend two levels at least |
| 16:48.33 | villager | and no, you don't need any /core file, delete it |
| 16:48.45 | merlin1991 | du -hx | grep [0-9]M |
| 16:48.49 | merlin1991 | makes a nice list |
| 16:49.27 | villager | core files are usually leftovers by crashed programs |
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| 17:15.24 | Berlinermauer | ./usr/lib has 206MB? |
| 17:15.31 | Berlinermauer | and . 404.9M |
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| 17:21.10 | Berlinermauer | can i delete the /home/user/.cache folder? it has about 78MB usage |
| 17:21.47 | merlin1991 | Berlinermauer: that one is not on / afaik |
| 17:22.04 | Berlinermauer | well on /home/user, and only /home/user/MyDocs is mounted to another FS |
| 17:22.33 | merlin1991 | /dev/mmcb1k0p2 is on /home |
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| 17:23.00 | Berlinermauer | aww well ur right |
| 17:25.57 | Berlinermauer | my GUI for the PackageManager takes hours to load up the screen where i can select some apps. Is this due to an error in my PackageList? |
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| 17:27.37 | Sicelo | no. takes long on mine too.of course, devel/testing makes it worse |
| 17:30.05 | villager | I just multitask away to do something else (check email, play solitaire) while the packagemanager is loading |
| 17:30.52 | Berlinermauer | http://pastebin.com/1njxD3MM Something uncommon? |
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| 17:35.21 | Sicelo | u have(k)syslog(d)? |
| 17:36.01 | villager | well, it's unusual that you'd have anything much in /usr/local and /usr/include... (of course, /usr/lib is also larger than normal, but two levels of folders is not enough to say much about that) |
| 17:36.09 | Sicelo | my /var/log/ is practically empty |
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| 17:54.22 | Berlinermauer | well this is because i installed some pythonlibs etc |
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| 17:57.49 | villager | then those libs could be your problem... they do not appear to have been properly prepared for preserving rootfs space on maemo (aka optified) |
| 17:58.59 | Berlinermauer | well i have several mounts: |
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| 18:02.10 | villager | well it's clear you have stuff in /usr/include, /usr/local, and /usr/lib that's not in /opt |
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| 18:18.36 | eichi | hello. someone has experience with the latest batterypatch? it sounds interesting for me. I read about it stops processes. which one are they? also messanger? |
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| 18:20.42 | Estel_ | hi Maemo |
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| 18:22.31 | Estel_ | I got strange issue with catorise plus, lately. Does anyone know, where it's config files reside? Of course its not in /home/user/, not in etc/ |
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| 18:23.37 | Estel_ | to be more precise - I got category "All" shown twice, and one .desktop file isn't shown in catorise configuration GUI (can't set it to one of ctegories), instead, it's presented as category itself |
| 18:24.01 | Estel_ | of course, clicking that "category" resut in opening of program |
| 18:25.12 | Sicelo | Estel_: i'd start with a 'dpkg -L <pkg>' |
| 18:27.19 | Estel_ | thanks, good idea. I think I'm little slow at tyinking today ;) |
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| 20:17.59 | DeRbi | ::::::::::::::::> WWW.MEGA-HD.ORG <:::::::::::::::: {{{{{{{{{{ The best FREE High Definition movies, videos, programs }}}}}}}}}} |
| 20:18.48 | NIN101 | ohh yeah I will surely click!!1!one |
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