| 00:01.09 | beford | lol @ infobot and DocScrutinizer :P |
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| 00:44.07 | beford | didn't n8x0 tablets allow apps while using it for skype calls? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57345445/apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/ |
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| 01:08.00 | ShadowJK | beford; yes |
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| 01:28.00 | valeriusN | When I do apt-get update on my N900, I get an error about "NO_PUBKEY" for Nokia servers. Does anyone know, which GPG keyserver I can use to get a public key? |
| 01:34.57 | jacekowski | all keyservers are linked |
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| 01:41.49 | valeriusN | jacekowski, I tried keys.gnupg.net, but it did not found that key |
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| 05:51.53 | RST38h | yawns |
| 06:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | yawns too |
| 06:03.16 | Macer_ | blah |
| 06:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | (apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/) I'm going to patent breathing while shitting/f*cking/reading/walking/talking |
| 06:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | let's face it: apple got patents on the flat surface now, on multitasking, I wonder what's next |
| 06:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | those turds |
| 06:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | I'm quite happy I got my patents on user defined cell functions in spreadsheets in like 2001 |
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| 06:25.29 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh |
| 06:25.44 | Macer | patents using apps during calls? |
| 06:25.47 | Macer | is that even possible? |
| 06:26.09 | Macer | that sure sounds like something that would be rejected |
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| 06:49.37 | merlin1991 | Macer: that is something that just got approved |
| 06:49.52 | merlin1991 | but as far as I understand it the n9 does not infringe it |
| 06:50.04 | merlin1991 | because the patent describes an on screen button |
| 06:50.13 | merlin1991 | yay for swipe :) |
| 06:50.56 | luke-jr | merlin1991: bogus patent is bogus |
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| 06:51.48 | merlin1991 | luke-jr: though I do not want to be on the recieving end of the first lawsuit |
| 06:51.49 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember using apps while calling on the neo1973 |
| 06:52.08 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I remember clearly doing it long before smartphones |
| 06:52.09 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: they used their aswesome "mobile computer with touchscreen" line |
| 06:52.37 | luke-jr | back when FreeWorldDialup or whatever had VoIP that could dial 800 #s free |
| 06:52.38 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Hmm |
| 06:52.44 | merlin1991 | darkly remembers some other apple vs x case where the patent was "valid" because no prior art involved a touchscreen |
| 06:52.47 | luke-jr | I used to make all my phone calls using calling cards |
| 06:52.58 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: It's fucking insane. |
| 06:53.07 | merlin1991 | I completely agree |
| 06:53.11 | SpeedEvil | The definition of 'obvious' needs to be _really_ tightened up. |
| 06:53.16 | Macer | hahaha |
| 06:53.32 | Macer | apple is going to win its battle by locking everything down |
| 06:53.37 | Macer | :) have to give them an A for effort |
| 06:53.38 | SpeedEvil | You should not get to patent 'painting a flying car made of metal to reduce corrosion and/or change appearance. |
| 06:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Just because you've invented a flying car |
| 06:53.52 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 06:53.59 | SpeedEvil | (or imagined a flying car) |
| 06:54.03 | Macer | they didn't invent a touch screen tho :) |
| 06:54.18 | merlin1991 | is waiting for the final result of apple vs motorola in germany |
| 06:54.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: rather, patents and copyrights need to be merged |
| 06:54.32 | merlin1991 | if that goes through it's going to be funky for apple |
| 06:54.39 | Macer | apple is fking up... sooner or later they're all goin to gang up on apple |
| 06:54.49 | Macer | and come up with a patent sharing system with everybody except apple |
| 06:54.50 | Macer | lol |
| 06:54.58 | luke-jr | eg, you get copyright-like monopoly for 3 years provided the government gets the full source code to publish at that time |
| 06:55.18 | luke-jr | ideally, require customers to get source code for those 3 years too |
| 06:55.29 | Macer | fk no that will never happen |
| 06:55.31 | Macer | hahahaa |
| 06:56.08 | merlin1991 | luke-jr: imo the patent system in its current form is simply outdated, it worked great as long as development wasnt that fast, but now a 20 year hold on somy silly on screen button, srly? |
| 06:56.17 | Macer | i'll give you submitting code for copyright... but there is no way in hell they would go with a system where customers get all src |
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| 06:56.25 | luke-jr | Macer: why not? |
| 06:56.29 | Macer | but then again i suppose you might be able to get it with the freedom of information act |
| 06:56.38 | Macer | because it is IP :) |
| 06:56.48 | Macer | the chinese will use it for knock offs |
| 06:56.48 | merlin1991 | Macer: that would only count in the us though |
| 06:56.51 | luke-jr | Macer: in exchange, they get government protection for their monopoly for 3 years |
| 06:56.57 | luke-jr | Macer: if they don't comply, they get NOTHING |
| 06:57.19 | Macer | but then they would spend 10x in govt red tape |
| 06:57.26 | Macer | as if that isn't bad enough? :) |
| 06:57.30 | merlin1991 | now try to get that passed by the same people who would like to pass sopa :D |
| 06:57.32 | Macer | not to mention the china factor again |
| 06:57.43 | luke-jr | hehhee |
| 06:57.57 | Macer | the chinese will tell a US court to go fk themselves |
| 06:58.10 | luke-jr | Eurasia needs to collapse so we can get a bunch of new countries with their own unique laws <.< |
| 06:58.12 | Macer | and make knockoffs based on "customer code" al day long :) |
| 06:58.25 | luke-jr | Macer: people would stop exporting to China ;) |
| 06:58.34 | luke-jr | Macer: and wouldn't trust China to produce their products |
| 06:58.38 | Macer | luke-jr: china doesn't care about imports :-P |
| 06:58.39 | luke-jr | Macer: overall, a good thing |
| 06:58.44 | Macer | only exports |
| 06:58.48 | merlin1991 | come on why get rid of europe? |
| 06:58.51 | Macer | and doesn't matter.. someone in asia will do it regardless heh |
| 06:58.56 | luke-jr | merlin1991: worst continent right now? |
| 06:58.58 | Macer | if not them... the russians |
| 06:59.07 | merlin1991 | luke-jr: I'm pretty happy here in austria |
| 06:59.08 | luke-jr | Russia is part of Eurasia :P |
| 06:59.15 | merlin1991 | what's your reasoning for worst? |
| 06:59.16 | Macer | i think eurasia needs to have 1 govt |
| 06:59.18 | luke-jr | merlin1991: only cuz you don't know better :P |
| 06:59.23 | Macer | but that'll never happen :) |
| 06:59.30 | luke-jr | merlin1991: rampant liberalism gone beyond insane |
| 06:59.37 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 06:59.50 | luke-jr | also, SI |
| 06:59.58 | Macer | hahahah! SI?? |
| 06:59.59 | Macer | :) |
| 07:00.09 | Macer | seriously? |
| 07:00.20 | luke-jr | SI sucks, but it's probably the worst of Eurasia's problems :P |
| 07:00.23 | luke-jr | err |
| 07:00.26 | luke-jr | least bad* |
| 07:00.29 | merlin1991 | on the other hand we don't have the us way of spying on everyone, no military operations, and health care :D |
| 07:00.47 | merlin1991 | (talking about austria not whole of europe here) |
| 07:00.48 | luke-jr | merlin1991: instead you have legalized murder and kidnapping as "rights" |
| 07:01.05 | merlin1991 | luke-jr: I must have missed that, when did we do that? |
| 07:01.23 | Macer | luke-jr: that was in the hitler days :-P |
| 07:01.26 | luke-jr | merlin1991: well, legalized murder is basically international now, so long as the victim isn't born yet |
| 07:01.37 | merlin1991 | isn't here |
| 07:01.39 | luke-jr | merlin1991: legalized kidnapping was whenever Austria ratified the CRC |
| 07:01.57 | merlin1991 | CRC stands for what? |
| 07:02.08 | Macer | legalized kidnapping! keep up! :) |
| 07:02.09 | luke-jr | http://www.unicef.org/crc/ |
| 07:02.26 | luke-jr | merlin1991: Wikipedia says murdering unborn children legalized in Austria since 1974 |
| 07:03.13 | merlin1991 | luke-jr: it is not legalized per se, there is a timeframe in which it is allowed, and in case of complications for the mother late abortion is legal |
| 07:03.32 | merlin1991 | and even the timeframe is not a proper law but stands in conflict with another one :D |
| 07:03.51 | luke-jr | merlin1991: see, legalized murder |
| 07:03.58 | merlin1991 | murdering of unborn childen in austria is actually not a clear case law wise |
| 07:04.08 | merlin1991 | true though |
| 07:04.16 | merlin1991 | but luke-jr which country doesn't? |
| 07:04.22 | luke-jr | the USA is the only country worldwide to not ratify the CDC, at least |
| 07:04.34 | luke-jr | and the liberals here are trying to change that fast |
| 07:04.49 | luke-jr | so hopefully some of Eurasia gets a fresh start first |
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| 07:06.50 | Macer | :) |
| 07:06.55 | Macer | google agents? |
| 07:06.56 | Macer | lol |
| 07:07.14 | Macer | company covert ops.. that would be awesome |
| 07:07.41 | Macer | the great tech war of 2012 |
| 07:08.35 | niwakame | less Deus Ex, more cookies |
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| 12:37.02 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 11h 28m 58s) #harmattan (2d 11h 28m 58s) #meego (2d 11h 28m 58s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 55m 23s, last said: 'The surface is different yes.'. |
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| 14:58.30 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 14:58.40 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 14:58.41 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 13h 50m 37s) #harmattan (2d 13h 50m 37s) #meego (2d 13h 50m 37s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 3h 17m 2s, last said: 'The surface is different yes.'. |
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| 16:15.28 | shanttu | are core-dumps on sd-card something that should be backed up? |
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| 16:18.40 | valdyn | shanttu: nope |
| 16:18.51 | shanttu | valdyn, thanks. |
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| 18:05.19 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 18:05.31 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 16h 57m 27s) #harmattan (2d 16h 57m 27s) #meego (2d 16h 57m 27s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 6h 23m 52s, last said: 'The surface is different yes.'. |
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| 20:30.42 | freemangordon | Pali, AIUI (and as felipec pointed on 720p thread) videoframes captured by camera driver are memcpy'ed to framebuffer for previewing |
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| 20:31.03 | freemangordon | you can imagine the performance loss because of that |
| 20:31.29 | Pali | yes this can be slow |
| 20:31.33 | freemangordon | the solution is to use mmap'ed framebuffer and to pass the address to camera driver |
| 20:31.57 | Pali | but I do not know why... |
| 20:32.02 | freemangordon | so isp (camera driver) captures directly into framebuffer |
| 20:32.38 | freemangordon | hardware-wise that is perfectly ok |
| 20:34.36 | freemangordon | but isp and kernel does not support it. isp tries to get_user_pages on that address, and it fails. |
| 20:34.47 | freemangordon | of course |
| 20:35.06 | freemangordon | I've found a solution on inet, but another issue arose |
| 20:36.49 | freemangordon | isp tries to do iommu_vmap on a DMA sg list containing only one entry , with lenght which is not PAGESIZE. And I am stuck there. |
| 20:37.51 | freemangordon | That is why I nead some guru to help. |
| 20:37.57 | freemangordon | *need |
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| 20:38.41 | Pali | maybe you could ask developers of framebuffer or better nokia developer who working on upstreaming camera kernel module... |
| 20:40.23 | freemangordon | I've passed trough a lot of patches, seems the whole driver structure is different. But this is still not fixed AIUI. |
| 20:40.32 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/~sailus |
| 20:42.02 | freemangordon | yeah, I was about to git clone it :D. |
| 20:42.19 | ShadowJK | I think it's generally hard (impossible) to get large amounts of physically continous ram from the kernel |
| 20:42.49 | freemangordon | framebuffer is |
| 20:42.51 | StyXman | nokia n900, I think |
| 20:43.01 | StyXman | errr |
| 20:43.10 | StyXman | nevermoind |
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| 20:44.47 | freemangordon | ShadowJK, framebuffer memory is continious physical RAM. And it is 8MB in last KP |
| 20:45.28 | freemangordon | Pretty enough for 3-4 v4l2 videobuffers even at 1280x720 |
| 20:47.37 | freemangordon | and doing DMA instead of memcpy leaves MPU free to do more important things in the process of video capure. If only I can do it :D |
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