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| 02:53.54 | doctorkohaku | is it possible to run the BME inside a different OS? |
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| 03:25.59 | Estel_ | ~Estel's pager |
| 03:26.35 | Estel_ | ~Estel_'s pager |
| 03:26.58 | Estel_ | ~DocScrutinizer's pager |
| 03:26.59 | infobot | rumour has it, docscrutinizer's pager is mailto:docscrutinizer@omma-projekt.de |
| 03:29.12 | Estel_ | ~help |
| 03:30.55 | Estel_ | ~help |
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| 03:38.22 | Estel_ | hey there. I've connected my DVD-RW using ATA to USB adapter, and through HEN. Device is enumerated and recognized properly, but not automounted. I'm willing to mount it manually, but got no idea what in /dev/ should I treat as my writer |
| 03:38.36 | Estel_ | any hints? |
| 03:39.07 | wmarone__ | is there an sr0 node? |
| 03:41.21 | Estel_ | nope |
| 03:42.18 | Estel_ | Of course, now I'm just trying to access data stored on optical disk, leaving writing for another day ;) |
| 03:43.36 | Estel_ | dmesg shows last message: |
| 03:43.38 | Estel_ | [ 9268.697174] scsi 9:0:0:0: CD-ROM ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16 G7H9 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
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| 04:43.08 | luke-jr | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/523374/ |
| 04:43.10 | luke-jr | you like? :P |
| 04:47.53 | Estel_ | maybe, if You're going to tell wtf is that |
| 04:48.20 | luke-jr | Estel_: script to generate the password for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/… |
| 04:48.38 | luke-jr | based on information extracted from a N900 :p |
| 04:48.47 | Estel_ | definitelly like |
| 04:48.50 | luke-jr | since I can't just distribute the username/password myself |
| 04:49.21 | luke-jr | it talks to cellmo, starting it from scratch if necessary :P |
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| 05:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | some of you might like that? T-Mobile USA gets $3E9 from AT&T for *not* getting bought by them. AT&T - T-Mo merger ultimately cancelled |
| 05:20.05 | wmarone__ | nah, DT gets it |
| 05:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | rrright |
| 05:20.43 | wmarone__ | still good that AT&T gave up, maybe someone else will step up |
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| 05:37.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer :D |
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| 05:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore estel_ |
| 05:52.20 | infobot | error: chan #maemo is invalid. |
| 05:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm pondering to enable ignore on #maemo ;-P |
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| 05:53.25 | slonopotamus | infobot: ahha! i always thought this chan is kinda wrong |
| 05:53.25 | infobot | slonopotamus: okay |
| 05:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | /kick slonopotamus |
| 05:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget ahha! i always thought this chan |
| 05:54.07 | infobot | i forgot ahha! i always thought this chan, DocScrutinizer |
| 05:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~ignore slonopotamus |
| 05:54.30 | infobot | error: chan #maemo is invalid. |
| 05:55.24 | slonopotamus | ~chan #maemo |
| 05:55.24 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, chan #maemo is invalid. |
| 05:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | FU! |
| 05:56.00 | slonopotamus | you started it |
| 05:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget chan #maemo |
| 05:56.05 | infobot | i forgot chan #maemo, DocScrutinizer |
| 05:56.15 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 05:56.19 | *** kick/#maemo [slonopotamus!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
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| 05:57.40 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: you're a bit nervous today :/ |
| 05:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | I hate fools spamming ibot's factoid database |
| 05:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | and it's been estel who started it by abusing onjoin |
| 05:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | in a *very* inadequate way, so ibot spammed each channel I'm in with >> <infobot> Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions<< |
| 06:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | missing TWO things: a highlight to me, and a restriction to a particular channel |
| 06:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help onjoin |
| 06:02.20 | Macer | still amazed |
| 06:02.30 | Macer | the itc can ban shipments? :) |
| 06:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | yesterday SpeedEvil accidentally abused infobot by >>~3.6 is what I get usually<< |
| 06:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | today you start to abuse infobot deliberately |
| 06:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | any surprise I get upset? |
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| 06:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 06:04.01 | infobot | Since Sun Dec 11 22:22:34 2011, there have been 37 modifications, 378 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 199 commands. I have been awake for 8d 7h 41m 27s this session, and currently reference 118331 factoids. I'm using about 22808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2609.44/60.46 child 0/0 |
| 06:05.47 | slonopotamus | 0 morons? |
| 06:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: sorry, but please don't mess with infobot, it's mostly meant for a factoid database, and sometimes also for fun, but that fun stops where factoid database gets spammed with random noise |
| 06:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: yeah, indeed. I also wonder how she could believe there've been "o morons" ;-P |
| 06:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | I admit I have no clue what defines a moron, in ibot's world |
| 06:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | same for dunnos |
| 06:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 06:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | hey SpeedEvil |
| 06:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: btw the advice in ~query is serious, don't get too leet! Tim Riker might be more ruthless with restrictions that I am |
| 06:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~query |
| 06:13.06 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 06:13.14 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 06:13.40 | slonopotamus | yawns |
| 06:14.13 | *** mode/#maemo [+o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 06:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | yawn again! |
| 06:14.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 06:14.37 | slonopotamus | any plans to roll out a diablo kernel update with https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/32cfb1b16f2b68d2296536811cadfffe26a06c1b merged in? |
| 06:16.51 | slonopotamus | ~ping |
| 06:16.51 | infobot | ~pong |
| 06:18.05 | slonopotamus | i guess that was too much maemo-related for this channel :-/ |
| 06:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you're trolling |
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| 06:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware there are only maybe 4 people on this globe to answer that question? |
| 06:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | and odds are you'll meet them here - not 24/7 though |
| 06:41.22 | Macer | 1337? :-P l33t? |
| 06:42.08 | Macer | do they still build diablo kernels? |
| 06:42.10 | Macer | grins |
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| 06:42.19 | Macer | ~diablo |
| 06:42.19 | infobot | Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo |
| 06:42.33 | Macer | facepalm |
| 06:42.47 | Macer | #maemo bot fail |
| 06:43.08 | Macer | ~harmattan |
| 06:43.08 | infobot | [harmattan] teh suck |
| 06:44.06 | Macer | ~maemo |
| 06:44.06 | infobot | i guess maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml |
| 06:44.27 | Macer | ~moron |
| 06:44.27 | infobot | it has been said that moron is someone that types long lines starting with "infobot" |
| 06:44.45 | Macer | infobot: are you my sex slave? |
| 06:44.55 | Macer | infobot are you my sex slave? |
| 06:45.02 | Macer | not long enough? :) |
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| 06:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | no, that's even short enough for a factoid key |
| 06:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | infobot won't mind telling her about stuff she doesn't understand, but she might wonder WTF this very line means, given the relatively simple parser that only looks for the definition separator keyword "is" |
| 06:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 06:58.13 | infobot | Since Sun Dec 11 22:22:34 2011, there have been 37 modifications, 384 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 199 commands. I have been awake for 8d 8h 35m 39s this session, and currently reference 118331 factoids. I'm using about 22808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2621.98/60.88 child 0/0 |
| 06:58.18 | luke-jr | Macer: HEY NOOB |
| 06:58.25 | luke-jr | Macer: I GOT VOICE CALLS ON GENTOO |
| 06:58.29 | luke-jr | PWNT |
| 06:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | you build cmtspeech ALSA plugin? |
| 06:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | built* |
| 06:58.57 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no, but it's within sight :P |
| 06:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 06:59.06 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: like I said, I'll probably finish it in 3 weeks |
| 06:59.09 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: :) |
| 06:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | waves, off for daywork |
| 06:59.24 | luke-jr | in the meantime, I can work on a phonet driver for gpsd |
| 06:59.47 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: btw, did you see my n900-password script? :P |
| 06:59.53 | luke-jr | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/523374/ |
| 07:00.08 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ^ |
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| 07:01.13 | SpeedEvil | neat |
| 07:01.40 | Macer | liar :-P |
| 07:01.41 | Macer | lol |
| 07:02.24 | luke-jr | Macer: no, I played enough to make one call :P |
| 07:02.29 | luke-jr | just didn't clean it up yet |
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| 07:03.02 | luke-jr | probably the biggest "issue" will be getting a sane highpass filter |
| 07:03.06 | luke-jr | cuz I have nfc how any of that works |
| 07:03.10 | luke-jr | or what a highpass filter even is |
| 07:03.56 | luke-jr | (whatever it is, without it there's a risk of blowing the speakers) |
| 07:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | a highpass filter cuts off low frequencies |
| 07:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | here is shall kill all audio lower than maybe 200Hz |
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| 07:12.10 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: totally the opposite of my guess :D |
| 07:12.35 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: did I ask you if you could look at the code I found yet? :P |
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| 07:51.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: no, you didn't ask me that |
| 07:51.50 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/0001-Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.patch |
| 07:52.20 | luke-jr | apparently it only works at 48 kHz as-is tho |
| 07:52.33 | luke-jr | I wouldn't have a clue how to adapt for other sample rates |
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| 07:57.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: it's a digital filter. The filter freq is related to sample freq. so if you go to half the sample rate, your filter also goes down to f/2 for cutoff |
| 07:58.32 | luke-jr | that assumes I have some idea what f is, or really which part of this code does the filtering at all :P |
| 07:59.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: with dmix you gota rather hardcoded samplle rate anyway, so don't bothwer about other rates |
| 07:59.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk |
| 08:00.00 | luke-jr | I'm not sure I'll end up using dmix. |
| 08:00.21 | luke-jr | and frankly, I'm scared of accidentally breaking stuff :P |
| 08:01.28 | luke-jr | maybe I'll find a way to disable other sample rates in the kernel.. |
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| 12:37.18 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 12:37.24 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 12:37.33 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 11h 29m 29s) #harmattan (1d 11h 29m 29s) #meego (1d 11h 29m 29s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 43m 49s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'. |
| 12:38.28 | psychologe | infobot, how do you konw that? |
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| 12:48.56 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/12/20/sony_panasonic_samsung_sandisk_toshiba_to_create_hd_drm_for_memory_cards/ <-- and nobody cares |
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| 15:05.09 | jazedal | Are there any current implementations to fulfill the notify-send use cases? |
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| 15:32.02 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Feds Tell Man To Stop Giving Away His Sperm for Free Online |
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| 15:35.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: muhaha |
| 15:36.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | must be USA |
| 15:36.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | The Illinois Enenma Bandit (FZ) |
| 15:37.11 | jazedal | I've already looked for a notify-send implementation. If one doesn't exist, I'm going to make and upload it myself. |
| 15:37.49 | jazedal | Any objections? |
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| 17:26.13 | m21rw | hi there i got a question, i got a "chipdrive" by scm with x86-drivers for linux, would it be possible to install them on the n900 |
| 17:26.47 | m21rw | somehow i guess not :( |
| 17:27.05 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 17:27.05 | m21rw | they are btw. propiertary |
| 17:27.24 | SpeedEvil | may be easier to revese it |
| 17:27.26 | m21rw | damn, i thought it wouldnt work :/ |
| 17:27.30 | SpeedEvil | What is the device? |
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| 17:28.07 | SpeedEvil | The problem isn't so much pretending to be x86 - it's pretending to be windows accurately enough for it to work |
| 17:28.11 | SpeedEvil | And the translation |
| 17:28.19 | m21rw | see here --> http://pics.eshopv5.com/IC/img_big/ic_51/5144557.jpg |
| 17:28.34 | SpeedEvil | That is a very unhelpful pic |
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| 17:28.50 | m21rw | its smart-card reader, for blank smart-cards |
| 17:28.55 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 17:29.39 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 17:29.46 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 16h 21m 42s) #harmattan (1d 16h 21m 42s) #meego (1d 16h 21m 42s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 5h 36m 2s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'. |
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| 17:33.05 | m21rw_ | so is there the possibility or is it most-likely not be doable? |
| 17:38.55 | SpeedEvil | If you need to ask, you probably can't do it. |
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| 17:39.27 | SpeedEvil | In principle it's possible, but I'm not aware of any ndiswrapper+qemu thing that might work for you |
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| 17:42.30 | m21rw_ | well its more like iam asking if a proprietary x86 driver will run without reversing it or do something as time-consuming |
| 17:42.43 | m21rw_ | as that* |
| 17:45.32 | SpeedEvil | x86 |
| 17:45.37 | SpeedEvil | The processor is not x86 |
| 17:45.40 | SpeedEvil | So absolutely not |
| 17:46.00 | SpeedEvil | Unless you either do something clever, or find someone who has done. |
| 17:47.15 | m21rw_ | crap, i guessed so :/ |
| 17:48.46 | jacekowski | well, depends on driver |
| 17:48.48 | jacekowski | if it's libusb based |
| 17:48.59 | jacekowski | you could go painful way of running it on qemu |
| 17:54.43 | m21rw_ | really that painful? |
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| 17:57.14 | jacekowski | yes |
| 17:57.18 | jacekowski | and slow |
| 17:57.31 | jacekowski | you get maybe 5% of native performance |
| 18:00.18 | m21rw_ | so you thought of qemu running a virtual machine with win*x* and then installing the driver in there? |
| 18:01.21 | m21rw_ | iam not aware of the performance, did anyone yet tried smth. similiar? |
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| 18:02.37 | jacekowski | yeah, on psp |
| 18:02.46 | jacekowski | it took around hour to boot win98 |
| 18:07.41 | m21rw_ | but wait, lets say i manage to run win98 under qemu and install the driver would that really work? |
| 18:10.38 | luke-jr | m21rw_: Linux kernel modules are covered by the GPL. Report them to GPL infringments |
| 18:11.18 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: windows driver |
| 18:11.33 | SpeedEvil | Which are rarely GPL |
| 18:11.51 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: he said Linux |
| 18:11.57 | luke-jr | [12:26:13] <m21rw> hi there i got a question, i got a "chipdrive" by scm with x86-drivers for linux, would it be possible to install them on the n900 |
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| 18:14.32 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:14.35 | SpeedEvil | mised that |
| 18:19.03 | m21rw_ | there are linux drivers and win drivers |
| 18:25.57 | m21rw_ | here are they, might someone with more expertise take a look at them |
| 18:26.05 | m21rw_ | http://support.identive-infrastructure.com/download.php?ref=support&file=driver/scmccid_linux_32bit_driver_V5.0.21.tar.gz |
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| 18:36.51 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 18:36.58 | luke-jr | still no /dev/video* even with firmware :| |
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| 18:56.51 | m21rw_ | another question, as you may noticed iam kinda new to the n900 and stuff. |
| 18:57.15 | r00t^home | m21rw_: that is not a kernel driver... |
| 18:57.33 | r00t^home | m21rw_: it's a userspace library that links libusb... |
| 18:58.04 | m21rw_ | is it just me or is the program manager kinda slowish after installing a program? |
| 18:58.44 | m21rw_ | would be kinda cool just to select the packages i need and then install them in a row. |
| 18:58.56 | r00t^home | use apt-get |
| 18:59.46 | m21rw_ | the normal way, after installing i always had to wait about a minute after installing an app |
| 19:01.01 | m21rw_ | already thought about synaptic, but not kinda sure how it performs |
| 19:01.15 | r00t^home | you need a gui? |
| 19:02.02 | m21rw_ | and regarding apt-get, i use it, its just sometimes a problem when theres an application i dont know the package_name of |
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| 19:02.47 | m21rw_ | then i have to double check it first :) |
| 19:02.59 | r00t^home | apt-cache search <app title> |
| 19:03.01 | r00t^home | heh |
| 19:03.38 | m21rw_ | i thought there would be a cmd therefore :) |
| 19:04.51 | r00t^home | m21rw_: for your chipdrive "driver"... are you sure nobody reverse-engineered that library yet? given that all it does is translate between library calls and libusb, that should not be that big of a project... or just ask the vendor for an arm binary... |
| 19:06.19 | m21rw_ | its kinda strange, as the original one with a serial-bus instead of an usb port was pretty popular |
| 19:06.55 | r00t^home | why not get the serial version? |
| 19:07.14 | m21rw_ | would that change anything? |
| 19:07.51 | r00t^home | right, not significantly so if the "driver" is also proprietary... |
| 19:07.51 | m21rw_ | i mean, i dont mind which interface it has as long as it works :) |
| 19:08.09 | m21rw_ | hmm would have to check it :) |
| 19:08.37 | r00t^home | btw... how would you connect the usb device to the n900 anyway... |
| 19:08.51 | r00t^home | with the serial one, you could just use a bluetooth serial bridge... |
| 19:09.12 | Sicelo | h-e-n? |
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| 19:10.34 | jacekowski | n900 can do usb |
| 19:11.09 | r00t^home | wtf? |
| 19:12.45 | Sicelo | ~hostmode |
| 19:12.45 | infobot | well, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging |
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| 19:14.56 | m21rw__ | heres a picture of the original "chipdrive" it would be kinda possible that there are os drivers |
| 19:15.05 | m21rw__ | http://bild6.qimage.de/extern-chipdrive-towitoko-foto-bild-50264076.jpg |
| 19:15.20 | r00t^home | well, find them? |
| 19:17.48 | m21rw__ | yep there are some |
| 19:17.52 | m21rw__ | got em |
| 19:18.15 | r00t^home | so, there you go... |
| 19:24.23 | m21rw__ | here - http://www.opensc-project.org/openct/wiki/towitoko |
| 19:24.56 | m21rw__ | but how to establish a connection with this serial device? |
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| 19:25.19 | m21rw__ | never heard about a blutooth serial bridge |
| 19:25.19 | r00t^home | m21rw__: usb->serial or bluetooth->serial |
| 19:25.34 | r00t^home | where the bluetooth verion is probably most interesting, being wireless and all |
| 19:26.05 | r00t^home | the n900 probably has an uart-port somewhere under the battery cover, if you like soldering ;) |
| 19:26.59 | r00t^home | m21rw__: the most common ones are these: http://www.ebay.de/itm/2-x-Bluetooth-Parallel-Seriel-Adapter-Pack-ideal-Ersatz-Kabel-/200654500917?pt=DE_Technik_Computerzubeh36r_Kabel_Adapter&hash=item2eb7f0b435 |
| 19:30.28 | m21rw__ | i loooove soldering ;) |
| 19:30.57 | m21rw__ | nah i guess i would take the usb-serial version |
| 19:31.00 | r00t^home | in that case, you might like to put a bluetooth module (and battery) right in the chipdrive... ;) |
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| 19:42.59 | vi__ | what about rfid reader on uart under battery? |
| 19:44.15 | r00t^home | gogogo |
| 19:44.45 | r00t^home | m21rw__: btw, what would you use the chipdrive on n900 for? |
| 19:44.53 | r00t^home | m21rw__: banking? |
| 19:45.13 | m21rw__ | authentication purpose and robotics :) |
| 19:45.32 | r00t^home | so instead of enter pin, connect reader and insert chipcard? ;) |
| 19:45.44 | m21rw__ | for example |
| 19:45.58 | m21rw__ | but not in a banking case |
| 19:46.22 | m21rw__ | thats stuff i wont do over the net :) |
| 19:46.47 | r00t^home | don't believe in cryptography? |
| 19:47.24 | m21rw__ | there isnt perfect security |
| 19:48.13 | m21rw__ | and how long will crypthoalgorithms like those that we use actually be unbreakable |
| 19:48.18 | r00t^home | it won't get more secure than a linux device with card-reader... |
| 19:48.28 | m21rw__ | :D |
| 19:48.57 | m21rw__ | btw. is it just me or isnt there a root-pw on the n900 |
| 19:49.36 | m21rw__ | i get root-access by just typing root in the console |
| 19:49.50 | m21rw__ | or some kind of fake-root? |
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| 19:50.03 | r00t^home | that's the sudo configuration |
| 19:50.04 | M3WZ3R0 | Hello there .. :) |
| 19:50.19 | r00t^home | you can set a root password, but disabling sudo would break some or more applications |
| 19:50.29 | luke-jr | it's possible to burn out the flash LEDs, right? |
| 19:51.00 | m21rw__ | didnt flash it yet, but will for security reasons |
| 19:51.08 | M3WZ3R0 | guys i bought a nokia n900 2 days ago.. you think this mobile is getting old or something ?! |
| 19:51.23 | m21rw__ | and and then apply some updates |
| 19:51.27 | r00t^home | M3WZ3R0: no |
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| 19:51.43 | m21rw__ | sell it dude |
| 19:51.45 | r00t^home | luke-jr: the docs on the led driver stuff very plausibly sey so, yes |
| 19:51.56 | r00t^home | *say |
| 19:52.01 | M3WZ3R0 | but in the same day i got the mini usb port failure.. so i send it support center ?! |
| 19:52.08 | M3WZ3R0 | sell it ? lol are you kiddin me |
| 19:52.23 | m21rw__ | or wait until nokia stop production |
| 19:52.44 | luke-jr | r00t^home: but with stock kernel? |
| 19:52.46 | m21rw__ | and sell it for a redicioulus price |
| 19:52.47 | r00t^home | M3WZ3R0: people say, nokia has no spare parts to repair them anymore, and will give you a different phone... if it's still undee warranty that is |
| 19:52.51 | luke-jr | M3WZ3R0: N900 is basically dead |
| 19:53.09 | r00t^home | luke-jr: the kernel driver just provides a stright interface to the chip, with no sanity checks |
| 19:53.42 | m21rw__ | got mine for 129 bucks |
| 19:54.04 | m21rw__ | absolutelly new regarding looks |
| 19:54.19 | m21rw__ | the way it looks* |
| 19:54.27 | M3WZ3R0 | ohh they didn't tell me anything for now.. they said they will check everything then give me a call |
| 19:54.36 | m21rw__ | just one little defect |
| 19:54.56 | m21rw__ | there is a whiter spot on the screen |
| 19:54.58 | luke-jr | r00t^home: so what do I need to avoid doing? ;) |
| 19:55.18 | r00t^home | luke-jr: you are reading the page on the led driver, right? |
| 19:55.23 | M3WZ3R0 | luke-jr: why you think it is dead ?! |
| 19:55.32 | luke-jr | r00t^home: couldn't find a useful one |
| 19:55.39 | luke-jr | M3WZ3R0: Nokia killed off the platform a long time ago |
| 19:55.45 | luke-jr | M3WZ3R0: and the hardware is pretty much obsolete |
| 19:56.04 | m21rw__ | lets hope nitdroid gets better |
| 19:56.18 | m21rw__ | atleast theres a future |
| 19:56.50 | M3WZ3R0 | luke-jr : but community didn't |
| 19:56.53 | r00t^home | luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch ? |
| 19:56.58 | luke-jr | M3WZ3R0: community can't do much |
| 19:57.08 | luke-jr | m21rw__: someone's still working on Nitdroid? |
| 19:57.11 | M3WZ3R0 | yeah i mean there is nitdroid and there is meego too |
| 19:57.19 | luke-jr | m21rw__: might as well get a stock-Android phone if you want Android tho |
| 19:57.23 | luke-jr | Meego is dead |
| 19:57.58 | M3WZ3R0 | i didn't try nitdroid yet.. what else than phone calling is not working yet ? |
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| 19:58.31 | M3WZ3R0 | meego is dead ?! wtf :S |
| 19:58.39 | r00t^home | luke-jr: this would be the API calls to control the flash... https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=flashlight-appl;a=blob;f=src/flashlight_lib.c;h=31a393938f688d2370b637f584e4acf5840012ae;hb=refs/heads/master |
| 19:58.49 | m21rw__ | luke-jr: i actually wanted to get the ZTE Blade until i found the n900 for the same price |
| 19:58.57 | luke-jr | r00t^home: I don't run Mameo. |
| 19:59.02 | r00t^home | luke-jr: i actually got the flash and other LEDs mixed up, so no idea if the kernel driver does sanity checks |
| 19:59.20 | m21rw__ | camera, gps, phone calls |
| 19:59.29 | r00t^home | luke-jr: well, then check the docs/apis of whatever you use... |
| 19:59.35 | m21rw__ | but voip should work i heard |
| 19:59.49 | m21rw__ | not sure though |
| 20:00.21 | M3WZ3R0 | ohh only ? thats great |
| 20:00.35 | m21rw__ | wait a sec |
| 20:00.47 | M3WZ3R0 | i got my n900 for about 240$ |
| 20:01.12 | vi__ | the source code for flashlight lib has all sorts of shit about over current fault and stuff. |
| 20:01.23 | vi__ | why do you ask luke? |
| 20:01.46 | vi__ | you want flashlight torch for gentoo? |
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| 20:02.25 | m21rw__ | http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N900#Port_Status |
| 20:02.35 | m21rw__ | there you go check it |
| 20:02.42 | M3WZ3R0 | ohh thank you dude |
| 20:03.33 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:03.51 | m21rw__ | its strange that there stands "wifi - working not done" |
| 20:03.59 | M3WZ3R0 | mohammad where are you from ? |
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| 20:04.17 | m21rw__ | ive already seen it working on a lot of vids on the tube |
| 20:04.26 | M3WZ3R0 | yeah me too |
| 20:05.01 | m21rw__ | if i had a dataplan for voip i would use it as main os |
| 20:05.07 | fw190 | Well maybe nobody updated the wiki since a while |
| 20:05.17 | m21rw__ | it seems somehow more responsive |
| 20:05.31 | m21rw__ | although its an unfinished port |
| 20:06.09 | m21rw__ | flash in general too, game emulators too |
| 20:06.37 | fw190 | As e-yes stated on twitter ICS is to big for N900 so probably it wont be finished |
| 20:07.01 | m21rw__ | seen a vid that compared the playstation emu of android with the one of the n900 |
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| 20:07.30 | m21rw__ | it was a lot faster on android |
| 20:07.55 | m21rw__ | but maybe its the emu and i shouldnt blame the os |
| 20:08.22 | m21rw__ | and i would care about ics too much |
| 20:08.46 | m21rw__ | a fully working gingerbread satisfies me |
| 20:08.55 | fw190 | Well this ICS thingi is strange |
| 20:09.00 | M3WZ3R0 | hardware too.. there are many phones now with better processors and rams |
| 20:09.16 | M3WZ3R0 | m21rw__ whats your mob ? |
| 20:09.16 | vi__ | blah blah blah |
| 20:09.17 | fw190 | Some said that devices with 2.3 could run ICS |
| 20:09.20 | vi__ | more corez |
| 20:09.27 | vi__ | triple ramz |
| 20:09.37 | vi__ | quadrouple screenz |
| 20:09.44 | fw190 | Quadruple speed |
| 20:09.48 | fw190 | :) |
| 20:09.48 | M3WZ3R0 | yeah vi__ very better hardware than n900 |
| 20:09.52 | vi__ | septuple camraz |
| 20:10.00 | fw190 | Hahahahaha |
| 20:10.05 | fw190 | Septuple :) |
| 20:10.07 | fw190 | Ahahahaha |
| 20:10.27 | vi__ | what is the point if it is nothing more than a glorified launcher of trivial 'appz'? |
| 20:10.35 | vi__ | riddle me that. |
| 20:10.50 | m21rw__ | i got an n900 M3WZ3R0 |
| 20:11.04 | vi__ | like running win3.1 on my 4GHz P4. |
| 20:11.06 | M3WZ3R0 | better performance vi__ |
| 20:11.09 | fw190 | Well you/e got a strong point here |
| 20:11.12 | m21rw__ | or whatcha mean with "mob" |
| 20:11.39 | M3WZ3R0 | oh ok m21rw__ anyways it was stupid question xD |
| 20:11.55 | m21rw__ | hmm kinda ;) |
| 20:12.02 | vi__ | look! i can run this fart sound boad on 2 processors for half the battery life now! woot! |
| 20:12.09 | m21rw__ | but who cares :) |
| 20:12.23 | m21rw__ | hehe vi_ |
| 20:12.38 | vi__ | android is shit, it doesnt even have multitasking. |
| 20:12.53 | vi__ | symbian had multitasking in 2001 |
| 20:12.56 | M3WZ3R0 | i want android for apps only |
| 20:13.03 | m21rw__ | its more responsive |
| 20:13.10 | m21rw__ | same here |
| 20:13.10 | vi__ | BUT IT HAZ 3 COREZ |
| 20:13.23 | m21rw__ | they got nice apps there |
| 20:13.34 | M3WZ3R0 | yeah really awesome apps.. |
| 20:13.43 | vi__ | appppz! |
| 20:13.46 | vi__ | woooo! |
| 20:13.53 | m21rw__ | i really thinking about trying nitdroid |
| 20:13.54 | vi__ | farting appz! |
| 20:13.55 | M3WZ3R0 | when i got my n900 back i'll install android |
| 20:14.00 | vi__ | simpsons appz! |
| 20:14.04 | M3WZ3R0 | lol vi__ |
| 20:14.08 | vi__ | whatsapp appz! |
| 20:14.08 | M3WZ3R0 | are you drunk man ? |
| 20:14.16 | MohammadAG | Android apps suck |
| 20:14.23 | MohammadAG | seriously, compared to iOS apps, they suck |
| 20:14.41 | MohammadAG | If you want android, get an android device |
| 20:14.44 | M3WZ3R0 | MohammadAG where are you from ? |
| 20:14.46 | MohammadAG | seriously, why bother with Nokia? |
| 20:14.46 | m21rw__ | hmm but also good apps |
| 20:14.53 | vi__ | i would sooner trade my 286 for a furby than buy into that appz horse shit. |
| 20:15.06 | fw190 | Never tried iOS :) and dont tend to. |
| 20:15.07 | MohammadAG | M3WZ3R0, Palestine |
| 20:15.18 | M3WZ3R0 | really dude ?! |
| 20:15.26 | MohammadAG | you should |
| 20:15.38 | MohammadAG | really, the apps own Android's, they're all high quality and stuff |
| 20:15.45 | MohammadAG | they even include segfaults in some cases |
| 20:16.00 | vi__ | wriiten in java |
| 20:16.05 | vi__ | write once... |
| 20:16.08 | M3WZ3R0 | iOS = apps |
| 20:16.09 | m21rw__ | some are quite good others dont |
| 20:16.10 | vi__ | ...crash anywhere |
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| 20:16.13 | M3WZ3R0 | nothing more than apps |
| 20:16.25 | m21rw__ | i dont like ios :) |
| 20:16.30 | MohammadAG | no, I was born on the internet as part of a bot network |
| 20:16.30 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 20:16.33 | M3WZ3R0 | i don't either |
| 20:16.34 | r00t^home | luke-jr: btw, i don't see how you not running maemo is related tot he led issue... unless the driver was completely rewritten for your OS |
| 20:17.00 | M3WZ3R0 | MohammadAG where are you in Palestine ? |
| 20:17.35 | m21rw__ | hows the picture qualitx of an iphone 4 compared to the one of the n900 |
| 20:17.57 | M3WZ3R0 | i don't give a fuck for any apple product |
| 20:18.00 | m21rw__ | iam kinda impressed of some macro pics i took |
| 20:18.06 | MohammadAG | I find iOS better than android, development wise |
| 20:18.06 | MohammadAG | less fragmentation, rich API, etc |
| 20:18.06 | MohammadAG | oh and a proper language |
| 20:18.06 | MohammadAG | well, not that proper but compared with Android |
| 20:18.06 | M3WZ3R0 | google rules |
| 20:18.11 | m21rw__ | with the n900 |
| 20:18.12 | vi__ | apps are shit. I can make the function of 85% of appz with a bash script. |
| 20:18.41 | m21rw__ | probably |
| 20:19.17 | m21rw__ | but there are things that are way easier to achieve under android |
| 20:19.33 | vi__ | such as? |
| 20:19.43 | m21rw__ | for example tethering although it works on the n900 yet |
| 20:19.45 | m21rw__ | too |
| 20:19.54 | vi__ | lol |
| 20:19.57 | vi__ | tethering |
| 20:20.04 | vi__ | wtf does that even mean? |
| 20:20.05 | BluesLee | But those apps are also entering the different n9 feeds |
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| 20:20.12 | m21rw__ | yes? |
| 20:20.22 | vi__ | you mean using a phone as a modem? |
| 20:20.22 | M3WZ3R0 | BluesLee you got an n9 ? |
| 20:20.30 | vi__ | welcome to 1999 |
| 20:20.44 | m21rw__ | wifi tethering |
| 20:20.54 | BluesLee | Yes and a lumia, hehe |
| 20:21.09 | M3WZ3R0 | which one you see better? |
| 20:21.22 | vi__ | m21rw__: iptables + wifi in access point mode |
| 20:21.26 | vi__ | NEXT |
| 20:21.32 | m21rw__ | :) |
| 20:21.34 | BluesLee | N9 certainly |
| 20:21.57 | m21rw__ | the n9 seems btw like a joke to me |
| 20:22.05 | M3WZ3R0 | is meego dead like i don't know who said ? |
| 20:22.19 | BluesLee | I went to a developer meeting and Microsoft gave me a lumia |
| 20:22.20 | mgedmin | M3WZ3R0, yes, for some values of 'dead' |
| 20:22.36 | m21rw__ | not even comparable to some actually kinda old sgs2 |
| 20:22.37 | BluesLee | The n9 is no joke |
| 20:22.41 | mgedmin | Nokia's CEO publicly said there will be no more Meego phones from Nokia |
| 20:22.50 | MohammadAG | M3WZ3R0, lived in Jerusalem but I'm in Haifa now |
| 20:22.55 | mgedmin | then Intel announced that Meego is merging with LiMo to produce Tizen |
| 20:22.59 | MohammadAG | for uni that is, I don't live here |
| 20:23.02 | m21rw__ | i mean cmon it has a touchsreen only |
| 20:23.11 | mgedmin | meego website recommends everyone go look at Tizen instead |
| 20:23.19 | vi__ | microsoft gave you some tuna? |
| 20:23.20 | m21rw__ | wheres is the lovely keyboars |
| 20:23.31 | M3WZ3R0 | MohammadAG i'm from Palestine too in jordan :)) |
| 20:23.31 | m21rw__ | d |
| 20:23.39 | mgedmin | N9 has a lovely virtual keyboard ;) |
| 20:23.46 | BluesLee | I was also an early adopter when the n900 arrived |
| 20:24.16 | M3WZ3R0 | i agree with m21ew__ on of things i love in n900 is the qwerty keypad |
| 20:24.34 | m21rw__ | its virtual and not real!! its like spending 600$ for some sex call |
| 20:24.35 | BluesLee | But compared to the n9 the development seems to be faster |
| 20:24.57 | m21rw__ | also virtual and not real :P |
| 20:25.16 | BluesLee | Damn, typing with swype is hard |
| 20:25.32 | m21rw__ | i got my keyboard! |
| 20:26.16 | m21rw__ | although i heard swiping should get ultra fast after you get used to it |
| 20:26.31 | m21rw__ | not sure though |
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| 20:27.45 | m21rw__ | for me, i'd never spend such an amont of money for an N9 |
| 20:27.50 | BluesLee | Its fast enough, that's true |
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| 20:28.15 | m21rw__ | i'd rather get an n900 and a sgs2 for the same price |
| 20:28.24 | M3WZ3R0 | i'm loving my n900 i don't want nokia to give me another phone :S |
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| 20:28.49 | MohammadAG | it's one tick on iOS |
| 20:28.50 | MohammadAG | I don't get why people use Android tbh |
| 20:28.51 | MohammadAG | it's far from open source |
| 20:28.51 | MohammadAG | its apps suck |
| 20:28.52 | MohammadAG | games are stretched on high res screens cause they're made for low res ones |
| 20:28.52 | MohammadAG | no GPU acceleration (until 4.0) |
| 20:28.53 | MohammadAG | coding for it sucks, although needing a Mac for iOS development sucks even more |
| 20:29.18 | BluesLee | My n900 USB got lost, I got an e7 replacement, sold that one and got an n9 |
| 20:29.24 | m21rw__ | is the last point real |
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| 20:29.36 | m21rw__ | need of an mac for mac developing? |
| 20:29.57 | MohammadAG | Harmattan as an OS is way faster than iOS |
| 20:30.05 | M3WZ3R0 | BluesLee E7 !! really ? |
| 20:30.16 | M3WZ3R0 | wtf no E7 ! i wanna my n900 x@ |
| 20:30.29 | M3WZ3R0 | someone told me it is easy to fix using a heater |
| 20:30.47 | BluesLee | Nokia gave me one as they are not produced anymore |
| 20:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 20:30.47 | infobot | from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 20:30.57 | m21rw__ | is it real that problematic |
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| 20:31.08 | MohammadAG | Tizen will fail |
| 20:32.00 | m21rw__ | i got a n900 in pretty good condition and try to be as careful as possible with the usb port |
| 20:33.02 | e-yes | it's $200-250 on secondary market any way.... Time for HW hacks!=) |
| 20:33.19 | m21rw__ | on the other hand, i'd think i would be able to fix it regarding i have basic smd soldering skills |
| 20:33.38 | m21rw__ | i top that :P |
| 20:33.59 | m21rw__ | 129 bucks :) |
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| 20:34.18 | m21rw__ | btw. watcha mean by hw hacksÄ |
| 20:35.03 | m21rw__ | volt mod and extreme cooling concepts :) |
| 20:35.18 | e-yes | change TS resistive -> capacitive :) |
| 20:35.30 | m21rw__ | lets say for the beginning a clockrate of 3ghz |
| 20:35.33 | M3WZ3R0 | can you change n900 TS :S ? |
| 20:35.40 | vi__ | no |
| 20:35.45 | m21rw__ | yes |
| 20:35.58 | M3WZ3R0 | from resistive to capacitive i mean :p |
| 20:35.59 | m21rw__ | you can replace it :) |
| 20:36.06 | e-yes | theoretically yes |
| 20:36.10 | m21rw__ | theoreticallx |
| 20:36.11 | m21rw__ | y |
| 20:36.26 | M3WZ3R0 | that would be really good |
| 20:36.44 | m21rw__ | but is the screen such a big deal? |
| 20:37.04 | M3WZ3R0 | a deal but not a big one |
| 20:37.04 | M3WZ3R0 | :p |
| 20:37.08 | m21rw__ | although its resistive its kinda responsive |
| 20:37.22 | m21rw__ | and who the hell need multitouch ;) |
| 20:37.30 | vi__ | what good is multi touch if you have the accuracy of a nuclear missile? |
| 20:37.39 | M3WZ3R0 | no multitouch :SS ?! |
| 20:38.16 | M3WZ3R0 | android without multitouch ?! |
| 20:39.48 | m21rw__ | i mean isnt the resolution of the resistive screen higher anyway |
| 20:40.08 | m21rw__ | compared to the capacitive conterpart |
| 20:41.28 | m21rw__ | btw. dont mic up the display resolution with the tracking resolution |
| 20:41.35 | m21rw__ | mix up* |
| 20:41.56 | vi__ | ? |
| 20:42.00 | M3WZ3R0 | ??? |
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| 20:42.05 | vi__ | where did you hear this? |
| 20:42.18 | m21rw__ | hear what |
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| 21:03.06 | m21rw__ | just out of curiosity, which browser are you using |
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| 21:07.41 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 21:07.54 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 21:07.59 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 19h 59m 55s) #harmattan (1d 19h 59m 55s) #meego (1d 19h 59m 55s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 9h 14m 15s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'. |
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| 21:18.44 | m21rw__ | btw e-yes, guess you are more into nitdroid ;) |
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| 21:19.30 | m21rw__ | does voip really work without a problem in n12? |
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| 21:28.16 | e-yes | m21rw__, it's hard to say exactly, i 'switched over' to new libaudio after release. it's broken by itself:) |
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| 21:39.35 | m21rw__ | k, but texting and wifi works right? |
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| 21:44.40 | m21rw__ | guess i will try it out tommorow |
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| 22:12.17 | Niceman | I like the galaxy my wife got instead |
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