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| 00:35.43 | kwtm2 | Need help --why is my microSD card mounted with the "rodir" option? Looks like it treats the filesystem as read-only when trying to create new directories. Is this supposed to happen or is it an error because my N900 is skroodupp? |
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| 00:48.43 | r00t|home | kwtm2: just remount it without that option? |
| 00:49.08 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: Trying; unsuccessful so far. But is it supposed to be that way, or is it an error that I should correct? |
| 00:49.37 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: Would you mind doing a "mount" on your n900 and seeing if /dev/mmcblk1p1 is mounted that way? (I presume you've got a microSD on your n900?) |
| 00:51.59 | r00t|home | i just put one in to check... |
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| 00:53.36 | r00t|home | no fdisk binary on maemo, lol |
| 00:54.21 | r00t|home | no, just bad $PATH |
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| 00:55.58 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: Am asking for help on #linux (with some trepidation) and not really getting useful info. Apparently "rodir" is not really standard. |
| 00:56.16 | r00t|home | i never heard of it befpre |
| 00:56.18 | r00t|home | *before |
| 00:57.02 | robbiethe1st | 1. Back up everything on it. 2. reformat card, 3. reload |
| 00:57.23 | r00t|home | why? |
| 00:57.31 | r00t|home | it's not like the option would be stored on the card? |
| 00:59.51 | r00t|home | mine just says "memory card format unsupported", i guess i got the partition table not to it's likeing... and too lazy to take it out and format in a windows bo |
| 01:00.23 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: Interesting. This was actually part of my attempt to "back up my n900 onto card" and then "restore everything onto my second n900" so that I can figure out what is wrong with my n900. In the process it looks like I have to fix my card so that I can fix me n900. :P |
| 01:00.35 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: Thanks for trying, though. :P |
| 01:00.35 | robbiethe1st | Using Backupmenu? |
| 01:00.52 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: What's backupmenu? Is that the built-in backup application? |
| 01:01.01 | robbiethe1st | r00t|home, because running fsck on it to fix it will likely destroy some data |
| 01:01.03 | r00t|home | kwtm2: to remove the option, all it should take is a mount -o remount... |
| 01:01.26 | r00t|home | robbiethe1st: never occured to me... |
| 01:01.30 | robbiethe1st | kwtm2, No, 3rd-party app to backup the root/optFS to system images |
| 01:01.30 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: I tried. I better say what I tried, to save time and skip redundancy... |
| 01:02.05 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that when you have a damaged FS which is still working... back it up before you mess with it |
| 01:02.41 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: I did mount -o remount,rw /dev/mmcbkl1p1 /media/mmc1 (yes, as root, of course) Unfortunately, the rw part was unchanged and I noticed that it was already mounted with rw as well as rodir (I can create files -- I tried -- I just can't create new directories) |
| 01:03.04 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: So I'm trying to see if there is a norodir option, or rwdir ... got stuck looking for rodir under mount (not mentioned in the mount page) |
| 01:03.25 | robbiethe1st | It's cause the FS has errors on it. |
| 01:03.25 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: Not sure the fs is damaged, and also I'm not trying to back up the root/optFS. |
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| 01:03.43 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: Just trying to see if it's supposed to be mounted that way. Would you mind doing a "mount" on your n900 and seeing if /dev/mmcblk1p1 is mounted that way? (I presume you've got a microSD on your n900?) |
| 01:03.45 | robbiethe1st | If you run fsck, you'll see them. But make sure you use it in read-only mode if you haven't backed up |
| 01:04.25 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: To clarify: you are saying that, because my microSD card has errors on it, the N900 automatically mounts it in rodir mode? |
| 01:04.45 | robbiethe1st | I would check that first. I know that happens with rw/ro mode |
| 01:04.53 | r00t|home | kwtm2: and just umounting an remounting...? |
| 01:05.17 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: Ahh... umount. Hmm, okay, it means I have to shut a few things down, but I will try. |
| 01:05.27 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: So in that case I would not need -o remount right? |
| 01:05.48 | robbiethe1st | Also, hm... this is interesting. rodir is one of the options I'm seeing for my mounted sd card, but I can make directories in it without issue. |
| 01:06.02 | r00t|home | kwtm2: yes |
| 01:06.04 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: And are you suggesting any particular way to mount again after umount? Or do I just do mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 and just let whatever default settings there are take place? |
| 01:06.05 | robbiethe1st | Therefor, I'd say it's likely partition corruption. |
| 01:06.18 | r00t|home | kwtm2: maybe check if the rodir option is in fstab? |
| 01:07.08 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: Interesting ... so maybe rodir is notthe problem? Weird. Mind comparing with my mount line? I have: (there are other lines for other filesystems, too, of course): /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) |
| 01:07.24 | r00t|home | my fstab has rodir in the options for mmcblk0p1... which is MyDocs... |
| 01:07.32 | kwtm2 | r00t|home: There's not even a fstab entry for /dev/mmcblk1p1 ! It must be generating it on the fly. |
| 01:07.35 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, that looks right kwtm2 |
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| 01:08.04 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: You're comparing for mccblk1p1, not mmcblk0p1, right? (I have no problems with MyDocs, of course.) |
| 01:08.06 | r00t|home | nodev,noexec,nosuid -> pure paranoid / rooting protection... |
| 01:08.13 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 01:09.02 | kwtm2 | Awww, geez. Then what the TUTTI FRUITTI is keeping me (and my rsync command) from creating directories so I can do a frigg'n backup just so I can use my second N900? It's like a new snag every time I try to get around an old snag. |
| 01:09.29 | mgedmin | yak shaving sucks |
| 01:09.31 | robbiethe1st | I can tell you right now, though, most of the time something happens weirdly, it's due to a screwed-up partition on the N900 |
| 01:09.36 | kwtm2 | It's like the TV series Lost , but on my N900. Every time a mystery is about to be cleared up, three new ones pop up, just so they can keep the TV show going .... |
| 01:09.52 | robbiethe1st | Just wipe the SD card, reformat, run backup? |
| 01:09.55 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: So you think reformatting the microSD card would cut through most of the crap. |
| 01:10.01 | robbiethe1st | yes. |
| 01:10.02 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: Yeah I think I'll do that. |
| 01:10.17 | robbiethe1st | mkfs.vfat is what you want |
| 01:11.35 | kwtm2 | robbiethe1st: Ok. Can I just format it on my desktop? I'll dig up a SD card adapter. |
| 01:11.41 | r00t|home | "* Added 'rodir' to mount options. Fixes: NB#101324" -- "subversion at stage.maemo.org" -- http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/Zai1XtdsGZPrKmgpyXnx |
| 01:11.42 | robbiethe1st | I suppose. |
| 01:14.57 | r00t|home | i wonder what NB#101324 was... bugs.maemo.org does not have it... |
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| 01:59.11 | merlin1991 | kwtm2: fixed your sd card issue? |
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| 02:27.15 | kwtm2 | merlin1991: Hi. Sorry I was away. Next step appears to be: reformat microSD card. I have not yet done this --don't have time. (Already blew 3 hours on this endeavour just trying to figure out why the heck my rsync script wasn't working.) |
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| 11:21.40 | MohammadAG | r00t^home: NB is Internal bug tracker |
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| 11:29.01 | r00t^home | MohammadAG: so we will never know...? |
| 11:29.33 | MohammadAG | andre__? |
| 11:29.49 | andre__ | MohammadAG, ? |
| 11:29.56 | andre__ | needs context |
| 11:30.05 | andre__ | and yes, NB traditionally refers to Nokia's internal Bugtracker |
| 11:30.11 | r00t^home | <r00t|home> "* Added 'rodir' to mount options. Fixes: NB#101324" -- "subversion at stage.maemo.org" -- http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/Zai1XtdsGZPrKmgpyXnx |
| 11:30.11 | MohammadAG | andre__: Read a bit up |
| 11:30.23 | andre__ | MohammadAG, cannot. |
| 11:30.27 | andre__ | ah |
| 11:30.44 | r00t^home | was just wondering wtf that might be needed for |
| 11:30.45 | RST38h | Hello, gentlemen |
| 11:30.55 | RST38h | Moo, Mohammad, how is life? |
| 11:31.13 | MohammadAG | Ssdd :p |
| 11:31.22 | andre__ | r00t^home, bug is "Unable to set read-only file or folder using 'chmod' under /home/user/MyDocs and /media/mmc1." |
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| 11:31.34 | MohammadAG | Same shit different day |
| 11:31.34 | andre__ | fixed in March 2009 for Fremantle. |
| 11:32.59 | r00t^home | andre__: ah, thanks! |
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| 11:33.31 | r00t^home | so, rodir probably only makes non-writeable directories readonly... |
| 11:33.54 | r00t^home | (somebody was wonderingg if that was the reason why he can't create directories, must have been something else then) |
| 11:34.13 | r00t^home | maybe the +w was missing from the root or something |
| 11:34.44 | RST38h | Mohammad: indeed |
| 11:36.28 | r00t^home | kwtm2: you read that?! |
| 11:38.13 | r00t^home | (he was the somebody) |
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| 13:31.47 | kwtm2 | r00t^home: Thanks for notice. Will see if that's why I can't write --the error was "read-only filesystem", so if this could have been fixed by just a chmod I shall be mytilipist |
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| 13:33.20 | cityLights | ~seen MohammadAG |
| 13:33.24 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (3h 16m 7s) #harmattan (3h 16m 7s) #meego (3h 16m 7s). Has said a total of 51 messages. Is idling for 1h 7m 19s, last said: 'Dropped?'. |
| 13:33.56 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 13:34.00 | cityLights | hi there |
| 13:34.02 | MohammadAG | hi |
| 13:34.09 | cityLights | how are you doing this warm day? |
| 13:34.49 | cityLights | I was just at Eurocomm and saw the N9 for the first time |
| 13:34.54 | MohammadAG | a bit tired, didn't sleep well last night :p |
| 13:34.58 | MohammadAG | Eurocomm |
| 13:35.03 | MohammadAG | isn't that in israel? |
| 13:35.12 | cityLights | seems they are "testing" it for release here? |
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| 13:35.30 | kwtm2 | Wait, what am I saying? This is on a vfat system. There *are* no permissions on vfat directories! |
| 13:35.34 | MohammadAG | that wasn't expected |
| 13:35.38 | MohammadAG | cityLights, through operators? |
| 13:35.39 | cityLights | I didnt follow upm did you get you N9 dev kit? |
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| 13:36.15 | kwtm2 | r00t^home: (to repeat) Wait, what am I saying? This is on a vfat system. There *are* no permissions on vfat directories! |
| 13:36.15 | cityLights | their engineering team is using N9 |
| 13:36.34 | kwtm2 | I hear the N9 is more locked down than the N900. |
| 13:36.35 | cityLights | MohammadAG: did you sell them Hnrew support? |
| 13:36.51 | cityLights | s/Hnrew/hebrew/ |
| 13:37.01 | MohammadAG | sell? I just made a keyboard layout |
| 13:37.25 | cityLights | ok, but you wrote it - so you may get paid.... |
| 13:37.47 | MohammadAG | I already released it on tmo |
| 13:37.54 | cityLights | I see |
| 13:38.00 | MohammadAG | fmo |
| 13:38.03 | MohammadAG | err, fmc |
| 13:38.07 | cityLights | so you did finnaly get the N9 dev kit... |
| 13:38.13 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 13:38.19 | cityLights | what is fmc? |
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| 13:38.30 | MohammadAG | forum.meego.com |
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| 13:38.40 | cityLights | Eurocomm should have got you the dev kit - IMHO |
| 13:39.07 | cityLights | ok, As I am less stress now, can you please update me what is going on? |
| 13:39.20 | cityLights | did you move to using the meego? |
| 13:39.28 | cityLights | and dropped the N900? |
| 13:40.39 | cityLights | Eurocomm claim that it is holding back on releasing the N9 , as it doesnt offer enougth program via the app store |
| 13:41.17 | cityLights | I think that if it can run waze and sell less then the iPhone - it can succed |
| 13:44.07 | MohammadAG | N900's still with me |
| 13:47.05 | cityLights | I saw you need to sleep |
| 13:47.16 | cityLights | maybe I can catch you later? |
| 13:47.43 | cityLights | I have been away for sevral weeeks , and want to catch up |
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| 13:48.47 | MohammadAG | nah, not sleeping till night |
| 13:48.55 | MohammadAG | gotta study a bit of physics later |
| 13:48.59 | MohammadAG | so I have to stay up |
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| 13:49.28 | cityLights | what did you managed to get done with your N950? |
| 13:49.37 | cityLights | QT? |
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| 13:55.54 | MohammadAG | Working on Sociality now |
| 13:57.16 | MohammadAG | Yay, Qt app in Apple's app store http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/nbook/id481629437?mt=8 |
| 14:01.10 | flux | mohammadag, nice. when's the first one for WP7/8?-) |
| 14:01.27 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 14:06.15 | r00t^home | kwtm2: well, at least it gives a hint at why the rodir is there |
| 14:06.38 | r00t^home | kwtm2: also, the dos filesystem driver DOES implement permissions, they are just not persisted to disk |
| 14:06.53 | kwtm2 | I guess ... I wonder if rodir is even the issue here, since MyDocs is also mounted rodir-wise and there's no problem with it. |
| 14:07.07 | r00t^home | most likely not |
| 14:07.26 | kwtm2 | Now I just have to find 16GB of free space with which to back up my microSD. I'll do it later. More pressing things right now. |
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| 14:09.11 | kwtm2 | I am *sooo* tempted to reformat my microSD to ext2/3 but I should just do vfat and make sure it runs before I reformat. |
| 14:10.31 | kwtm2 | This is so maddening. I'm just trying to backup and restore to my second n900. :P .... Actually, the whole thing is so I can see if I can fix the problem with my email on the original n900. |
| 14:10.55 | kwtm2 | I can't receive email (when it had been working fine before) but I need to get a backup device running before I go tinker with my problem n900. |
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| 16:07.25 | PSleggs | is it true someone reverse engineered browserd? |
| 16:08.46 | fw190 | don't know a thing about it |
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| 16:11.17 | vi_ | does bme REALLY need to poll i2c bus 5 times/second? |
| 16:11.31 | vi_ | the answer is no if you are wondering. |
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| 16:19.16 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't. |
| 16:19.18 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 16:19.23 | SpeedEvil | It polls it once every 6 |
| 16:20.34 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 16:24.34 | vi_ | it is still a pain in the balls |
| 16:25.14 | vi_ | anyway, I just noticed. Even with bme stopped the mass storage/pc suite mode dialog still appears. |
| 16:25.23 | vi_ | how the F is that even possible? |
| 16:25.39 | SpeedEvil | dsme? |
| 16:25.49 | SpeedEvil | It's not BME that notices the usb |
| 16:25.50 | vi_ | I thought it was BME that was 'watching' usb port to detect plug/unplug action. |
| 16:25.52 | SpeedEvil | I forget what it is |
| 16:26.06 | vi_ | well hose me down |
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| 16:26.23 | xqo | hi. what do you think of the N9? Would you buy it again? |
| 16:26.35 | SpeedEvil | checks bank statement. |
| 16:26.47 | vi_ | so I can actually stop bme and have have the charge21.sh start when usb is plugged in. |
| 16:26.47 | SpeedEvil | Nope, not bought it the first time. |
| 16:26.54 | vi_ | xqo: fuck no. |
| 16:26.57 | xqo | yeah but how good is it? :P |
| 16:27.09 | xqo | can i write a python server, host it on the phone, ssh to it and run a python webscanner, for example? |
| 16:27.09 | SpeedEvil | Someone remind me - what's ohmd |
| 16:27.10 | vi_ | xqo: it is an abortion. |
| 16:27.14 | xqo | how limited is the N9? |
| 16:27.16 | vi_ | no wait, it is a koke |
| 16:27.18 | vi_ | ^joke |
| 16:27.23 | vi_ | actally i jest |
| 16:27.27 | vi_ | it is both |
| 16:27.28 | SpeedEvil | xqo: yes. |
| 16:27.28 | mgedmin_ | xqo, I would buy a N9 |
| 16:27.45 | xqo | what is NOT so good about it? |
| 16:27.49 | mgedmin_ | no apps |
| 16:28.02 | xqo | would i be better of with an android phone`? |
| 16:28.03 | vi_ | xqo: it is the worst of 2 worlds |
| 16:28.09 | xqo | vi_ why? |
| 16:28.31 | vi_ | it sucks for all the old school maemo fans because it is so locked down and non functional. |
| 16:28.39 | mgedmin_ | wonders if xqo would hear more favourable reviews if he/she asked the same question in #n9 or #harmattan |
| 16:28.44 | vi_ | it sucks for teh kiddies because it aint got no appz |
| 16:28.53 | vi_ | and never will |
| 16:29.29 | vi_ | so pay your money and take your choice |
| 16:29.47 | vi_ | however right now N9 is little more than a light up paper weight. |
| 16:30.06 | vi_ | of course he would get a favourable response in #n9. |
| 16:30.22 | vi_ | They are ALL fighting a serious collective case of consumers guilt. |
| 16:31.08 | xqo | vi_, what phone would you recommend then`? |
| 16:31.40 | vi_ | xqo: that depends entirely on usecase. |
| 16:31.57 | vi_ | If you want a top notch phone, consider a symbian. |
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| 16:32.13 | vi_ | If you want a 'smartphone' with appz. Consider an android. |
| 16:32.17 | xqo | i want python in a reasonably open phone that also works well for consumers |
| 16:32.18 | mgedmin_ | barfs at the mere thought of symbian, but whatever |
| 16:32.28 | vi_ | If you want a pocket computer, consider an n900. |
| 16:32.39 | vi_ | mgedmin_: what is wrong with symbian? |
| 16:32.53 | vi_ | mgedmin_: It is a far better OS that android. |
| 16:33.30 | vi_ | mgedmin_: it has multiple task scheduling and a bulletproof phone stack. |
| 16:33.38 | vi_ | ^gsm stack. |
| 16:34.07 | vi_ | xqo: those things don't go together. |
| 16:35.12 | vi_ | there never has and never will be a 'reasonable open phone' that simultaneously 'works well for consumers' |
| 16:36.12 | mgedmin_ | vi_, aesthetics/usability -- granted, I haven't seen _modern_ symbian versions |
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| 16:52.54 | vi_ | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 17:09.11 | xqo | vi_ |
| 17:09.15 | xqo | what about this, http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/09/openmobiles-acl-brings-250000-android-apps-meego/ |
| 17:10.56 | SpeedEvil | The Video below is a demo of ACL running on an x86 MeeGo tablet running Android Apps. |
| 17:11.43 | xqo | ""MeeGo powered Nokia N9 will run Android applications seamlessly"" |
| 17:11.45 | xqo | http://techbu.com/2011/06/23/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-run-android-applications-seamlessly-with-alien-dalvik-android-emulator |
| 17:13.01 | SpeedEvil | Myriad teams are having ongoing discussions with various Device Manufacturers who may incorporate Myriad Alien Dalvik in their product portfolio in the future. Keep tuned! |
| 17:13.05 | SpeedEvil | IOW - never happening. |
| 17:13.23 | SpeedEvil | Nokia are not going to pay them. |
| 17:15.03 | jazedal | If FOSS had a better financial plan, there's no reason FOSS can't produce consumer quality apps. |
| 17:15.06 | flux | they could put it to appstore and people could perhaps pay a few euros for it |
| 17:15.14 | SpeedEvil | flux: sure |
| 17:16.04 | SpeedEvil | It seems like they are uninterested in this though. |
| 17:16.13 | SpeedEvil | Regrettably |
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| 17:59.13 | user___ | what makes the dialog that appears when you plug in the USB cable? |
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| 17:59.31 | user___ | The one that asks for mass storage or pc suite? |
| 17:59.37 | user___ | is it a script? |
| 17:59.41 | user___ | a program? |
| 18:00.19 | user___ | I see there is /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable/disable and osso-mmc-mount/umount scripts |
| 18:00.43 | user___ | but they are only run when the respective dialog is chosen. |
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| 18:04.59 | vi__ | ? |
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| 18:16.49 | StyXman | vi__: most probably something on hal |
| 18:17.27 | vi__ | ...yes |
| 18:19.51 | NIN101 | /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-usb-cable |
| 18:21.29 | MohammadAG | vi_, StyXman hal isn't userspace, anyway, it's the status menu applet |
| 18:24.43 | vi__ | so short of re-writing somthing (assuming it is even open) There is no obvious way to have a script executed by the plugging in of the usb cable? |
| 18:24.53 | vi__ | also without dbus-scripts and bme. |
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| 18:26.03 | NIN101 | "hald-addon-usb-cable: listening on /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode" |
| 18:26.42 | vi__ | NIN101: I do not follow. |
| 18:26.46 | vi__ | what are you saying? |
| 18:27.06 | NIN101 | one way: poll /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode |
| 18:27.38 | vi__ | also, no polling |
| 18:27.51 | vi__ | the idea is to eliminate bme |
| 18:28.04 | vi__ | Charging can be handled by charge21.sh |
| 18:28.05 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 18:28.23 | SpeedEvil | Not that I'm not saying it's not a good idea. |
| 18:28.32 | SpeedEvil | But the benefis in most cases are small. |
| 18:28.43 | StyXman | SpeedEvil: too many negations |
| 18:28.49 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: because it sucks balls and causes many extra HW wakeups/second |
| 18:28.54 | SpeedEvil | No, it doesn't. |
| 18:29.03 | vi__ | yeah it does. |
| 18:29.09 | SpeedEvil | No, it doesn't. |
| 18:29.16 | vi__ | yeah it does. |
| 18:29.20 | StyXman | err... |
| 18:29.22 | SpeedEvil | No, it doesn't. |
| 18:29.23 | vi__ | yeah it does. |
| 18:29.28 | NIN101 | backupmenu just runs charge.sh with something like "charge.sh &" and that's it. |
| 18:29.29 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't. |
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| 18:29.42 | vi__ | run powertop with then without bme. |
| 18:29.45 | NIN101 | always active |
| 18:30.07 | vi__ | NIN101: always active charge script causes 100's of extra wakeups/second |
| 18:30.24 | NIN101 | well. |
| 18:30.25 | SpeedEvil | I get 6 wakeups in 30s |
| 18:30.28 | SpeedEvil | which is right |
| 18:30.41 | SpeedEvil | From what I recall |
| 18:30.44 | SpeedEvil | With it unplugged |
| 18:30.46 | MohammadAG | you can monitor dbus? |
| 18:30.54 | vi__ | I am talking about it spamming the i2c bus. |
| 18:31.11 | SpeedEvil | vi: Reading I2C is almost free |
| 18:31.21 | MohammadAG | vi_, monitor DBus |
| 18:31.40 | SpeedEvil | vi: With BME in normal manner active, I've had my n900 logged into wifi and cell modem for over 5 days. |
| 18:31.58 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: lol, no u didnt. |
| 18:32.09 | SpeedEvil | Yes. I did. |
| 18:32.12 | StyXman | is it much of a problem to produce wakeups if you're charging? I understand it means charging slower, but how much? |
| 18:32.24 | SpeedEvil | StyXman: essentially unmeasurable. |
| 18:32.52 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 18:33.07 | vi__ | the problem is the wakeups while we are waiting for the device to be charging (i.e. when it is in normal operation) |
| 18:33.37 | SpeedEvil | Umm - BME does 1 wakeup every 6s |
| 18:34.28 | StyXman | well, I noticed that If I leave the n900 plugged in to the chager during all night, sometimes I wake up to an almost empty battery |
| 18:34.44 | SpeedEvil | Tht may be a USB plug/soccket problem |
| 18:35.04 | NIN101 | I read that it doesn't recheck once led == green |
| 18:35.06 | vi__ | StyXman: then you have a serious problem. |
| 18:35.33 | NIN101 | but still yeah, it should be empty then... |
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| 18:35.48 | NIN101 | *shouldn't |
| 18:36.02 | SpeedEvil | StyXman: Unless you've got skype installed + 3G data active, in which case it's normal |
| 18:36.37 | StyXman | SpeedEvil: I'm not sure about skype (I removed some soft I won't use) and I don't have 3G |
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| 18:39.41 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: would you believe I got a 4000mS sleep time in powertop? |
| 18:40.09 | StyXman | vi__: have you been seeing «get smart!» lately? |
| 18:40.11 | StyXman | :-p |
| 18:40.40 | SpeedEvil | vi_: yes - that's normal |
| 18:40.47 | vi__ | i dont understand |
| 18:40.57 | StyXman | vi__: then ignore me |
| 18:41.09 | SpeedEvil | ~3.6 is my usual. Though currently somethigns keeping the CPU active. I need to try to work out what I installed |
| 18:41.09 | infobot | SpeedEvil: okay |
| 18:41.18 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: orly, I have never seen it before. |
| 18:41.29 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: what is the biggest culprit? |
| 18:41.44 | SpeedEvil | Badly written stuff can drag it down |
| 18:41.50 | SpeedEvil | Or up |
| 18:41.50 | vi__ | I found callnotify and batterygraph to be motherfuckers. |
| 18:41.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:45.02 | vi__ | what other things have you stripped out? |
| 18:46.38 | SpeedEvil | Nothing. |
| 18:46.46 | SpeedEvil | That is the base state on a freshly flashed device |
| 18:46.59 | SpeedEvil | - with no wifi activity |
| 18:47.28 | SpeedEvil | I'm not actually seeing that right now, as something is keeping my CPU in C1 all the time. grrr |
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| 18:48.18 | vi__ | well I am quite far from a stock device |
| 18:48.35 | vi__ | I have already ripped out around 1/4 of startup junk. |
| 18:49.31 | HyperSnyper | if i have skype logged in and running on my main system, then go afk and recieve message if login to same acc on n900 can i view previous messages ? |
| 18:51.06 | SpeedEvil | vi__: why? |
| 18:51.10 | vi__ | HyperSnyper: lol, i dunno. |
| 18:51.37 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: why wut? |
| 18:52.44 | SpeedEvil | vi_: Why did you start ripping stuff out? |
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| 18:53.46 | StyXman | why not? having it as lean as possible should mean more disk space, less boot time and less processes potentially draining battery |
| 18:53.56 | vi__ | because I dont want to waste a single Hz from such a low power computer on crap like 'cherry' and '5 dots startup' and |
| 18:54.19 | vi__ | and operator name plugin |
| 18:54.39 | StyXman | vi__: do you have a log of the things you have done? |
| 18:54.54 | StyXman | I mean, is it written somewhere? |
| 18:55.01 | vi__ | StyXman: not really. I have been evolving this setup since I got the n900. |
| 18:55.06 | StyXman | heeh |
| 18:55.12 | StyXman | good thing I just got it |
| 18:55.12 | vi__ | It is pretty simple though |
| 18:55.25 | StyXman | it's almost pristine |
| 18:55.48 | StyXman | vi__: did you change many things outside /etc? |
| 18:55.52 | vi__ | well you have not just bought a phone |
| 18:55.55 | vi__ | nor a computer |
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| 18:56.01 | vi__ | you have just bought a hobby. |
| 18:56.08 | StyXman | vi__: of course I did :) |
| 18:56.17 | StyXman | actually, that's why I got it |
| 18:56.35 | StyXman | I mean, that's why I got a n900 instead of any other smartphone |
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| 18:57.01 | StyXman | I would get a n950, but... :( |
| 18:58.10 | vi__ | StyXman: you dont want an n950 |
| 18:58.16 | vi__ | they are gay |
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| 18:58.40 | StyXman | I don't mind about the phone's sex inclination at all... |
| 18:59.04 | vi__ | I want something that is hardware wise an n950 however completeley open. |
| 18:59.30 | vi__ | (however they can keep the gsm chip secret f they really want) |
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| 19:00.20 | StyXman | well, as far as I know, it's still a deb based base with a new interface |
| 19:01.00 | NIN101 | ~aegis |
| 19:01.00 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 19:01.39 | StyXman | dang, I have so many things to read! |
| 19:02.14 | vi__ | in short, the n950 is locked down tighter than a nuns vagoo |
| 19:02.38 | StyXman | dang |
| 19:02.49 | StyXman | well, then, then I got the best |
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| 19:04.56 | vi__ | StyXman: how new a user are you? |
| 19:05.15 | StyXman | for the n900? a couple of weeks |
| 19:05.25 | StyXman | linux in general? 15 years and counting |
| 19:05.46 | StyXman | I already ported strace to the n900 to find why marble wasn't loading |
| 19:06.08 | vi__ | StyXman: then you are in the best position to exploit the maximum potential from the device. |
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| 19:06.40 | advice_dog | says dont install battery patch or speedpatch. |
| 19:06.43 | StyXman | and the device is the most exploitable one |
| 19:07.11 | StyXman | again, my strongest reason to buy this one |
| 19:07.13 | advice_dog | however look at the code to see some of things being done. some is kind of useful. |
| 19:07.38 | vi__ | StyXman: you have to think bigger. |
| 19:07.42 | vi__ | StyXman: buy 2 |
| 19:07.57 | StyXman | what for? |
| 19:08.06 | StyXman | convert them to walkie talkies? |
| 19:08.08 | StyXman | :-P |
| 19:08.10 | StyXman | hmm! |
| 19:08.11 | SpeedEvil | FaStrace has been on the n900 for ages |
| 19:08.12 | StyXman | dang |
| 19:08.15 | SpeedEvil | strace |
| 19:08.31 | StyXman | SpeedEvil: I couldn't apt-get it |
| 19:08.34 | StyXman | where? |
| 19:08.35 | vi__ | StyXman: are you uk? |
| 19:08.41 | SpeedEvil | tools repo |
| 19:08.51 | StyXman | vi__: well, an .it born in .ar living in .fr |
| 19:08.59 | vi__ | lol, ok. |
| 19:08.59 | StyXman | SpeedEvil: aha |
| 19:09.27 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
| 19:09.50 | StyXman | wow |
| 19:09.58 | StyXman | screen! yes! :-P |
| 19:10.44 | StyXman | still, I plan to port some VCS and etckeeper to track my changes in /etc |
| 19:10.50 | StyXman | SpeedEvil: tx |
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| 19:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart SpeedEvil |
| 19:31.46 | infobot | puts SpeedEvil through a wood chipper |
| 19:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget 3.6 |
| 19:31.54 | infobot | i forgot 3.6, DocScrutinizer |
| 19:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: StyXman NIN101: listen to SpeedEvil - you all have wrong numbers and false facts |
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| 19:35.01 | NIN101 | ok uncle! (would like to know which fact i got wrong though) |
| 19:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | the "doesn't recheck when >geeen<" non-fact |
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| 19:37.30 | NIN101 | hmm ok. I blame TMO. |
| 19:37.44 | StyXman | DocScrutinizer: uhm? |
| 19:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's my daily phone, on fastcharger, after 11h of xchat with 12 channels over 2G sucked the battery to 47% |
| 19:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/149662/ |
| 19:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | and that's without charger and display, just doing IRC and WLAN and ssh: http://paste.debian.net/149663/ |
| 19:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | I can do this for a weeks |
| 19:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | a week* |
| 19:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | and I did no ultraspecial tricky optimization - au contraire I simply didn't install every shitty optimizer and/or widget I could find |
| 19:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | and got rid of skype |
| 19:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | and have no other IM than SIP (I actually forgot to mention that above^^^) and IRC |
| 19:45.21 | SpeedEvil | Any thougts on why ohmd has suddenly decided to eat 1% of CPU, and keep my device active? |
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| 19:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 19:45.42 | StyXman | I have no 3g, so it doesn't make much sense to have any communication app |
| 19:46.02 | SpeedEvil | CPU time 2 hours, in 3 hours of uptime. |
| 19:46.02 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 19:46.22 | StyXman | unluckily the closed packages use only dependencies, and in the wrong direction, I think |
| 19:46.48 | StyXman | (f.i. I cna't deinstall languages I don't need) |
| 19:53.18 | neal | DocScrutinizer: You get a week of use on a single charge? |
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| 19:53.49 | SpeedEvil | A week of standby |
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| 19:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | without use |
| 19:54.08 | SpeedEvil | Or a week of reading SMSs incoming occasionally |
| 19:54.15 | neal | oh, I guess I missed that |
| 19:54.22 | StyXman | nice |
| 19:54.23 | SpeedEvil | you're not going to get more than a few minutes of dispay-on time during that |
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| 19:55.50 | peb_ | hi |
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| 20:06.07 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: care to tell me where I am wrong? |
| 20:06.23 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: that seems to be your thing, telling people they are wrong. |
| 20:07.02 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I have nothing but respect for the shear level of knowledge you posess wrt embedded systems. |
| 20:07.14 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: however you have a real problem. |
| 20:07.47 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: you are a person to go so as splitting points on grammar just to tell somone they are wrong. |
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| 20:41.00 | jazedal | vi__: Note the name...DocScrutinizer |
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| 20:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | you're welcome to continue that "discussion" in #defocus |
| 20:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think your last 6 posts are more of a self-reference than anything else |
| 20:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | and this is the last but actually 3rd too much answering post on that |
| 20:52.42 | ShadowJK | charge21.sh does one wakeup every 5 sec when charging, and about one every 15 when not charging. But because it's a script, it will look "better" than bme in powertop. I haven't checked, but I think bme should use less cpu actually. |
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| 20:53.33 | ShadowJK | btw also, when USB is active (as in when you're charging), wakeups are kinda not all that important because the device never goes to C4 sleep anyway. |
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| 20:58.23 | ShadowJK | vi_, as DocScrutinizer said, the "doesn't check again after green" is incorrect. Indeed, the green light isn't synchronized with the charger, that is, the green light can come on before the battery is full, or a few hours after (as measured by the charger itself), depending on the circumstances. However, what is true however, is that a transient problem like a glitching cable or port, can make bme retry with lower charge current, if it does that too often |
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| 21:04.07 | ShadowJK | StyXman, communication apps don't make much sense on 3g either. Only thing that makes sense on 3g is huge downloads. |
| 21:04.10 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 21:08.00 | neal | ShadowJK: You mean because of 3g's high ramp up / tail energy? |
| 21:08.11 | neal | ShadowJK: or what's the problem? |
| 21:08.18 | ShadowJK | yes |
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| 21:09.45 | ShadowJK | a one-time transfer of, say, 5 kilobytes, will on some networks use as much energy as a databurst of MegaBytes.. |
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| 21:21.25 | vi__ | ShadowJK: wtf? I never suggested that bme does not check after green light. That was someone else. |
| 21:22.16 | vi__ | NIN101> I read that it doesn't recheck once led == green |
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| 21:29.36 | ShadowJK | oops sorry, that was for NIN101 then? :P |
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| 21:50.43 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 21:50.54 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (20h 42m 50s) #harmattan (20h 42m 50s) #meego (20h 42m 50s), last said: 'pawky: yes'. |
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| 22:35.34 | Pali | merlin1991, did you got answer from nokia about l10n? |
| 22:35.40 | merlin1991 | so far not |
| 22:35.48 | Pali | ok |
| 22:39.47 | Pali | merlin1991, how was modest-l10n package imported into gitorious? |
| 22:40.01 | Pali | I was not able to find sources for modest-l10n too |
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| 22:43.39 | merlin1991 | Pali: actually I don't know that |
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| 22:47.27 | luke-jr | anyone have a Qt-based camera app yet? |
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| 22:51.05 | merlin1991 | luke-jr: the camera input is gestreamer afaik, noone does gestreamer with qt :D |
| 22:51.40 | luke-jr | merlin1991: Qt does support gstreamer, and gstreamer shouldn't be needed for cams |
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| 23:50.07 | Macer | wow |
| 23:50.07 | Macer | htc devices banned from the us lol |
| 23:51.14 | txt_file | Hello. I have a problem with my osso-xterm. I lost the mouse option a few minutes ago when i tried to increase the scrollback. Has someone any idea how to get it back? |
| 23:52.42 | Macer | http://www.slashgear.com/itc-rules-in-favor-of-apple-bans-htc-devices-in-us-19203300/ |
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| 23:57.18 | txt_file | It is pretty stupid not to be able to scroll in xterm. |
