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| 02:43.05 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ts would have trouble? just how thick is it? :\ |
| 02:43.18 | luke-jr | kb I imagine could be unplugged and removed for it… |
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| 05:58.59 | luke-jr | yay, ofono 1.0 working on Gentoo/N900 |
| 05:59.06 | luke-jr | including dialing voice calls |
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| 06:00.13 | luke-jr | and IPv6 and texting |
| 06:12.23 | luke-jr | # /etc/init.d/net.gprs0 start |
| 06:12.24 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.26 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.27 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.29 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:12.35 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.36 | luke-jr | I win? |
| 06:16.14 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 06:16.32 | SpeedEvil | Congrats! |
| 06:16.50 | luke-jr | wonders how to actually do audio for voice calls |
| 06:17.35 | SpeedEvil | Good luck with that! |
| 06:17.45 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 06:17.49 | SpeedEvil | Thenightmare that is pulseaudio withbinary bits. |
| 06:17.56 | luke-jr | no way. I won't touch PA |
| 06:18.06 | SpeedEvil | Or are the bits non-binary? |
| 06:18.23 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure it's possible to do analog audio at all. |
| 06:18.46 | luke-jr | well, digital audio then :p |
| 06:20.06 | ShadowJK | guss you have to figure out if there are any analog lines between cellmo and omap |
| 06:20.18 | SpeedEvil | I don't believe htere are. |
| 06:20.27 | SpeedEvil | But it's been a little while since I looked. |
| 06:20.31 | SpeedEvil | And you can't do that. |
| 06:20.40 | SpeedEvil | It'd need to be between cellmo and wolfson |
| 06:20.42 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 06:20.47 | SpeedEvil | the audio codec |
| 06:20.55 | luke-jr | … |
| 06:20.58 | SpeedEvil | As omap has no DAC |
| 06:21.13 | luke-jr | how can there *not* be? |
| 06:21.22 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean? |
| 06:21.37 | luke-jr | phone calls can use speakers, headset, bluetooth at least |
| 06:21.42 | luke-jr | didn't someone get Asterisk too? |
| 06:21.49 | SpeedEvil | The communication with the modem is entirely digital, and the normal means of communication audibly is packetised digital audio. |
| 06:21.59 | luke-jr | ok? |
| 06:22.04 | luke-jr | digital is fine |
| 06:22.10 | SpeedEvil | Which pulseaudio handles, and feeds out to the codec |
| 06:22.27 | luke-jr | I never said it had to be analog |
| 06:22.29 | SpeedEvil | It does not normally go through the 'audio' side at all inherently. |
| 06:22.46 | SpeedEvil | I was answering ShadowJK's comment. |
| 06:23.41 | luke-jr | o |
| 06:23.58 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: do I need to use the DSP for sure? |
| 06:24.10 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as I'm aware. |
| 06:24.13 | luke-jr | cool |
| 06:24.32 | SpeedEvil | I haven't gone into the software side. |
| 06:24.42 | SpeedEvil | I don't think pulseaudio uses theDSP at all for that. |
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| 07:00.42 | badcloud_ | anyone know of a youtube dl/converter which writes mp3 tags according to video info? |
| 07:03.38 | luke-jr | … |
| 07:05.22 | badcloud_ | luke-jr: that's a 'no' ;) |
| 07:05.36 | luke-jr | that's a "YouTube is video. MP3 is audio. wtf?" |
| 07:06.54 | badcloud_ | luke-jr: when *converting* vid to mp3 |
| 07:07.08 | luke-jr | you don't convert video to audio. |
| 07:07.11 | badcloud_ | read between the lines |
| 07:07.23 | badcloud_ | extract |
| 07:08.06 | badcloud_ | extract audio then convert (if necessary) to mp3 |
| 07:08.42 | psycho_oreos | part of the problem with writing MP3 ID3 tags out from ripped Youtube streams is that sometimes the title of the video has artist and song name in the wrong order or contains rubbish data streams. So in short no |
| 07:08.50 | badcloud_ | don't get hung up on semantics |
| 07:09.12 | badcloud_ | psycho_oreos: thanks |
| 07:10.01 | psycho_oreos | badcloud_, you could put if you like put forward a suggestion with the developer behind things like cutetube for instance. |
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| 10:10.48 | mintux | my camera croupetd. when I open camera I got Operation Failed and closed |
| 10:11.37 | mintux | is it hardware problem? |
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| 10:15.19 | SpeedEvil | Have you recenrly installed power kernekl? |
| 10:15.59 | mintux | no |
| 10:16.00 | mintux | nothing |
| 10:16.11 | psycho_oreos | not even fcam? |
| 10:16.21 | mintux | I also re flash and format 32GB |
| 10:16.42 | psycho_oreos | you meant 27GB and that is only eMMC |
| 10:16.44 | mintux | noting I wanted to use camera yesterday and I got that error |
| 10:16.48 | mintux | yes |
| 10:16.54 | mintux | that's it |
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| 10:17.01 | psycho_oreos | you haven't flashed fiasco |
| 10:17.19 | mintux | hmm I don't know . I just installed again mameo |
| 10:17.32 | mintux | and format 27GB after plug to computer |
| 10:17.38 | mintux | what shall I do? |
| 10:17.42 | psycho_oreos | flashing eMMC does not entail complete flashing |
| 10:17.53 | mintux | what flash should I do? |
| 10:18.01 | psycho_oreos | the combined firmware |
| 10:18.22 | mintux | and if not flash when using maemo flasher when we install maemo pr 1.3 ? |
| 10:18.33 | mintux | doesn't flash automatically ? |
| 10:18.54 | psycho_oreos | that's not the same as flashing, that's doing OTA updates |
| 10:19.24 | psycho_oreos | it will bring the device up to the same version (in fact more recent than the firmwares provided) but its again not the same as flashing. |
| 10:19.33 | mintux | my phone drom down yesterday . is it possible hardware problem ? |
| 10:19.42 | mintux | hmm |
| 10:19.45 | psycho_oreos | what exactly is drom? |
| 10:19.51 | psycho_oreos | you dropped it? |
| 10:20.01 | mintux | dorped down |
| 10:20.27 | psycho_oreos | that didn't make sense |
| 10:20.50 | mintux | so flash everything ? |
| 10:21.23 | mintux | how should I do it? |
| 10:21.31 | mintux | low level flash |
| 10:22.15 | psycho_oreos | if you have dropped your device, depending on what sort of hardware protection the device has, and how high the device has been dropped from, what sort of material makes for the ground that the device was dropped on. If its a hard surface (i.e. usually the ground) anything could be damaged with the N900 |
| 10:22.23 | psycho_oreos | ~flashing |
| 10:22.24 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:23.14 | mintux | Flashing only the kernel from a FIASCO image ? |
| 10:23.38 | psycho_oreos | no.. I would completely reflash your device.. i.e. both COMBINED and eMMC |
| 10:24.02 | mintux | I did it sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R before |
| 10:24.24 | psycho_oreos | though there's no guarantees that reflashing would actually aid in rectifying your camera issue should it be an actual hardware that is physically damaged |
| 10:24.41 | psycho_oreos | what exactly was the command parameter? |
| 10:24.42 | mintux | hmm |
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| 10:24.45 | mintux | so wafter that |
| 10:25.14 | mintux | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 10:25.28 | mintux | I run it |
| 10:25.44 | mintux | so after that I should send my device for repare ? |
| 10:25.57 | psycho_oreos | normally you flash eMMC before you flash combined |
| 10:26.35 | mintux | hmm |
| 10:26.56 | psycho_oreos | well if reflashing properly fails to rectify the problem (without installing any extra programs as such) you pretty much don't have a choice but to get it repaired.. though I would suggest you to flick through a fair few tmo threads with N900 owners having their device replaced with some other random device |
| 10:27.10 | psycho_oreos | that is should you go through nokia care |
| 10:29.01 | mintux | hmm |
| 10:29.27 | mintux | what should I download from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 ?? |
| 10:30.05 | psycho_oreos | the latest dated eMMC content |
| 10:31.03 | mintux | and what is curent version of my emmc on my phone ? eMMC content 1.2009.41-1 ? |
| 10:31.33 | psycho_oreos | N900 is not a phone, and it does not matter what is your current version of your eMMC on your N900 |
| 10:31.45 | mintux | hmm |
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| 13:25.01 | mintux | psycho_oreos: I flashed everything doesn't solve :-( |
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| 14:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 15:03.16 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 15:03.18 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 2d 23h 8m 8s, last said: 'pawky: yes'. |
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| 16:54.37 | matt23 | is maemo a Linux tablet OS? |
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| 17:18.15 | StyXman | matt23: maemo is a busybox/gnu/linux OS that works on phone(s) and probably tablets, yes |
| 17:20.07 | matt23 | why probably tablets? |
| 17:20.19 | matt23 | is there a linux, not android, tablet? |
| 17:20.24 | StyXman | well, I never saw it running in anything but a n900 |
| 17:21.07 | StyXman | it is pure linux, with even apt- from debian and ubuntu fame |
| 17:21.27 | StyXman | porting existing software is rather painless |
| 17:21.52 | StyXman | has perl and python, gtk and qt |
| 17:22.32 | matt23 | awesome. |
| 17:22.37 | matt23 | does it come native on any tabletS? |
| 17:23.32 | StyXman | so far, only in n900 |
| 17:24.01 | StyXman | and the older n770 and n800, I think |
| 17:25.08 | StyXman | n810* |
| 17:26.14 | StyXman | matt23: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Hardware |
| 17:26.36 | StyXman | I can't find much more info in wiki.maemo.org |
| 17:27.09 | matt23 | awesome, that was a huge help though! |
| 17:27.10 | matt23 | thanks! |
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| 18:25.16 | blackthorne | hi |
| 18:26.23 | psycho_oreos | high |
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| 18:32.21 | federico2 | anyone using an N900 / maemo in Japan? |
| 18:35.09 | wmarone | federico2: I did a while back |
| 18:36.11 | federico2 | may I ask you few hints? Any SIM worth buying as a non-japanese? What about GPS and maps? |
| 18:37.31 | federico2 | I'm reading some scary reports on talk.maemo.org |
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| 18:37.54 | wmarone | before I went to Japan I bought an bmobileSIM 30, which allows for unlimited use for 30 days from activation |
| 18:38.09 | wmarone | best effort, 300kbps max, and you need a japanese cellphone to activate it |
| 18:38.51 | federico2 | I heard you need a Japanese credit card to buy it |
| 18:39.00 | wmarone | I used a proxy service called Rinkya |
| 18:41.25 | derf | GPS and maps (through Maemo Mapper) worked fine for me in Japan. |
| 18:41.31 | derf | Of course, I hope you can read Japanese. |
| 18:41.37 | derf | Because the maps aren't in English. |
| 18:41.58 | federico2 | a bit... no romaji setting, I guess |
| 18:42.21 | derf | I mean, it was using whatever it would scrape off Google Maps. |
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| 18:42.34 | federico2 | I'm looking at maemo mapper |
| 18:43.07 | wmarone | just make sure you take an extra battery and never leave the browser open when not using it :/ |
| 18:43.36 | federico2 | extra battery? urgh :( |
| 18:43.52 | wmarone | not that you'll burn through battery faster, but it's exceedingly convenient |
| 18:43.57 | federico2 | is maemo mapper caching the maps data? |
| 18:44.21 | federico2 | I would also need a battery charger for that |
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| 18:46.39 | StyXman | I know marble can cache maps |
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| 18:47.37 | federico2 | I'm trying Mappero |
| 18:47.57 | federico2 | ...which seems to be maemo-mapper |
| 18:48.02 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 18:49.43 | valerius | tried to compile custom gcc directly on my n900. It's damn slow because of insufficient memory (though, added extra gig of swap ;)) |
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| 18:50.06 | valerius | the process continues in scratchbox :) |
| 18:52.50 | valerius | though, binutils and libs buillt successfully ;) |
| 18:57.43 | luke-jr | … |
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| 18:58.16 | luke-jr | valerius: distcc |
| 18:58.30 | federico2 | any opinion about http://code.google.com/p/monav/wiki/MoNavClient ? |
| 18:59.30 | valerius | luke-jr I need a special gcc with special TLS requirements ;) |
| 18:59.47 | luke-jr | valerius: why? |
| 19:01.48 | valerius | luke-jr I want to start http://genode.org on n900, it uses the gs register on x86 for special purpopses, and something similar on arm |
| 19:02.44 | jazedal | What we need is a browser with bookmarks easily sync'd with desktops. |
| 19:02.58 | wmarone | we had one until mozilla stopped building FF for maemo |
| 19:03.02 | luke-jr | jazedal: Firefox? |
| 19:03.14 | luke-jr | wmarone: Maemo is dead. |
| 19:03.30 | luke-jr | actually, Firefox might need too much RAM to build |
| 19:03.30 | wmarone | it's not dead until no one uses it anymore |
| 19:03.35 | luke-jr | wmarone: nonsense |
| 19:03.38 | jazedal | firefox was too slow, and the sync utility doesnt meet everyone's privacy requirements |
| 19:04.25 | NIN101 | it's dead when the last users leaves this channel. end of story. |
| 19:04.45 | derf | jazedal: What privacy requirements do people have that it doesn't meet? |
| 19:04.54 | jazedal | It needs, At the least, just a bookmark format that is importable to other browsers. |
| 19:05.10 | jazedal | derf: FF sync is online in the cloud |
| 19:05.15 | jazedal | unencrypted |
| 19:05.18 | derf | Uh, no. |
| 19:05.23 | derf | It is encrypted. |
| 19:05.28 | jazedal | Is it... |
| 19:05.34 | derf | In fact, Mozilla cannot even decrypt it themselves. |
| 19:05.42 | derf | If you lose your password, the data is gone. |
| 19:05.55 | jazedal | My mistake, I haven't looked at it recently because the browser is still too slow. |
| 19:06.00 | derf | (full disclosure: I'm a Mozilla employee) |
| 19:06.13 | jazedal | derf: Are you really? |
| 19:06.16 | derf | Yes. |
| 19:06.29 | jazedal | Make ff faster for the n900. |
| 19:06.44 | jazedal | *smile* |
| 19:06.50 | derf | The memshrink stuff from the past few releases probably helps. |
| 19:06.52 | luke-jr | HAHA |
| 19:07.00 | luke-jr | Firefox. fast. yeah right |
| 19:07.16 | luke-jr | Firefox is slow on my brand new Sandy Bridge *desktop* |
| 19:07.27 | jazedal | FF would be great. The plugins, |
| 19:07.29 | wmarone | shenanigans |
| 19:07.38 | jazedal | ...sync'd bookmarks etc. |
| 19:07.41 | wmarone | FF is plenty fast on my ~3 year old i7 920 |
| 19:08.04 | wmarone | maybe it's just the linux version ;p |
| 19:08.26 | jazedal | What's up with the rapid development cycle? |
| 19:08.33 | jazedal | Why? |
| 19:08.43 | luke-jr | wmarone: maybe. Firefox *is* basically a Windows browser |
| 19:09.26 | derf | luke-jr: Do you have GPU acceleration enabled? |
| 19:09.30 | javispedro | note that for some weird, weird reason true firefox on a chroot on the n900 feels noticeably faster than mobile |
| 19:09.38 | luke-jr | derf: no idea, I shouldn't need it. |
| 19:09.41 | jazedal | Firefox is my favorite. It simply has certain plugins no other browser will probably ever have. I'm rooting for FF. |
| 19:11.03 | derf | luke-jr: about:support, look for GPU Accelerated Windows. |
| 19:11.04 | jazedal | FF needs to maintain backward compatibility. |
| 19:11.17 | derf | That's probably the biggest difference between Linux and Windows. |
| 19:11.55 | derf | The other thing that can make things slow is a busted profile. |
| 19:12.32 | jazedal | How do you know if your profile is busted? |
| 19:12.37 | derf | Because DIESQLITEDIEDIEDIE^W, uh, databases are hard. |
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| 19:12.59 | derf | jazedal: Do you get periodic 15-second long pauses? |
| 19:13.04 | derf | (or worse) |
| 19:13.09 | jazedal | No. |
| 19:13.14 | derf | Then you're probably fine. |
| 19:13.17 | luke-jr | GPU Accelerated Windows 0/7 |
| 19:13.20 | jazedal | I don't remember, it's slow in general. |
| 19:13.48 | luke-jr | derf: there is no reason for a browser to have a SQL database. |
| 19:13.59 | luke-jr | oh right, HTML5^Wbloat. |
| 19:14.01 | derf | Okay. I welcome your patch to remove it. |
| 19:14.19 | wmarone | luke-jr: so because you cannot think of a reason, a reason cannot exist? |
| 19:14.22 | luke-jr | or I can just keep using sane browsers like Konqueror and Rekonq |
| 19:14.34 | derf | I won't stop you. |
| 19:15.08 | jazedal | Just write neat code where the complex bits are abstracted from the logic, and it's fine. |
| 19:15.39 | jazedal | Then you can change your data storage medium however you want with little trouble. |
| 19:15.57 | luke-jr | jazedal: if I were going to use SQL, it'd definitely be SQLite |
| 19:16.08 | luke-jr | no reason for a full blown db engine on end user computers |
| 19:16.18 | jazedal | By data storage medium I actually mean database vs txtfile vs anything |
| 19:16.53 | luke-jr | … |
| 19:17.05 | luke-jr | notes that SQL *is* abstraction. |
| 19:17.14 | jazedal | sqlite, inifiles, w/e, it just needs to be efficient and backward compatible |
| 19:17.26 | luke-jr | jazedal: you're talking about DIFFERENT kinds of data stores |
| 19:18.06 | jazedal | luke-jr: Yes. |
| 19:18.07 | luke-jr | sqlite/mysql/pgsql/etc do not do the same thing as bdb/inifiles/etc |
| 19:18.25 | luke-jr | you can't reasonable abstract both groups |
| 19:18.30 | luke-jr | reasonably* |
| 19:19.05 | jazedal | Not accurately, but if you're data layer is abstracted at all, it would make conversion easier |
| 19:19.28 | javispedro | yes, you can probably implement SQL on top of ini files. |
| 19:19.45 | jazedal | True. |
| 19:20.02 | jazedal | Not prettily |
| 19:22.24 | jazedal | That's beside the point. We need a browser with syncable bookmarks |
| 19:23.47 | jazedal | Has anyone else just wanted to eat the Nyan cat? |
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| 19:28.44 | RST38h | Use of the GPL, LGPL, and AGPL set of licenses is declining at an accelerating rate, according to new analysis by the 451 Group's Matthew Aslett. In fact, the 451 Group projects that GPL usage will hit 50% by September 2012. Instead, developers are licensing projects under permissive licenses such as the MIT, Apache (ASL), BSD, and Ms-PL. The shift started in 2007 and has been gathering momentum ever since. |
| 19:28.48 | RST38h | Evening, javispedro |
| 19:29.14 | javispedro | evening |
| 19:29.36 | javispedro | ... clearly the reason this is the year of Linux Disappointments =) |
| 19:29.54 | RST38h | they claim that GPLv3 is the reason |
| 19:30.16 | RST38h | too much of a bite into user's rights |
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| 19:30.50 | luke-jr | RST38h: GPLv3 doesn't touch user's rights |
| 19:31.10 | luke-jr | I claim it's FUD about GPLv3 |
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| 19:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see how GPL use is related to linux disappointments |
| 19:32.02 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: disappointing to people who want to abuse Linux, I'msure |
| 19:32.24 | RST38h | javispedro: Can't blame Linux, 2011 has been kinda bloodbathy for everyone |
| 19:32.38 | RST38h | javispedro: From Linux projects to corporations to states |
| 19:34.10 | jazedal | Could it be Windows 7? |
| 19:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | reads >>eat the Nyan cat<< and frowns |
| 19:35.34 | jazedal | But, Nyan Cat is made of pop tart, and looks very yummy. |
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| 19:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what you say |
| 19:36.46 | javispedro | RST38h: touché. |
| 19:37.26 | jazedal | I was hungry. |
| 19:37.31 | RST38h | Whoever has not committed suicide, went nuts |
| 19:37.33 | javispedro | I ponder when did those newssites changed the tune from "bad finances -> boom for FOSS" to "bad finances -> disappointments". |
| 19:37.53 | RST38h | when they got low on their own finances? =) |
| 19:38.19 | jazedal | who? |
| 19:38.57 | jazedal | I have an idea how FOSS can be funded |
| 19:39.08 | RST38h | ideas are dime a dozen |
| 19:39.18 | jazedal | Not this idea. |
| 19:39.34 | jazedal | It costs $500. |
| 19:39.53 | RST38h | nice, good luck. |
| 19:40.48 | jazedal | It's cheap to hire indians and chinese children. |
| 19:41.21 | jazedal | You can help. |
| 19:42.01 | javispedro | In unrelated news, asus now wants to ship me a DDR3 GT 240 instead of the DDR5 GT 240 I RMA'd. "Believe me, DDR3 is more performing" included. |
| 19:42.20 | javispedro | goes find the automatic gun |
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| 19:42.37 | RST38h | jazedal: Are you proposing to convert them to methane, sell it, and use money to fund OSS? |
| 19:42.59 | RST38h | javispedro: Anyone signed that letter in person? =) |
| 19:43.01 | jazedal | Hmm, I haven't thought of that. It could generate more revenue. |
| 19:43.38 | jazedal | I should run some tests. |
| 19:44.04 | federico2 | wmarone, derf, thanks for your help |
| 19:44.13 | javispedro | RST38h: I'd wish it was a letter instead of a phone call. |
| 19:45.30 | RST38h | javispedro: Oh, it was a phone call? So, you could badmouth the poor serf in person? |
| 19:46.01 | javispedro | I CAN badmouth the poor serf in person. Which I'm doing, Monday. |
| 19:47.02 | javispedro | *on Monday |
| 19:47.29 | RST38h | splendid! |
| 19:47.40 | jazedal | Fantastic! |
| 19:48.38 | jazedal | It needs a website |
| 19:49.41 | jazedal | I don't write websites, the money is to get someone else to. |
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| 19:50.42 | jazedal | It's too menial |
| 19:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | does an adduser javispedro on the control console of his MTHELs |
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| 19:53.20 | jazedal | does an ssh javispedro:12345@DocScrutinizer.net |
| 19:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: or would you prefer to use one of the RC drones loaded with C4 I got lately? |
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| 19:55.16 | javispedro | hum |
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| 19:55.43 | javispedro | is it common in st-e to play with these toys or what? =) |
| 19:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | nah, that's another job :-D |
| 19:56.26 | Jef91|Busy | ~usbfix |
| 19:56.26 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 19:56.31 | shanttu | if i want to flash my device with backupmenu-already-installed .img, is procedure the same: sudo flasher-3.5 -F /path/to/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img -f -R ? |
| 19:56.51 | Jef91|Busy | goes to read this thread |
| 19:57.02 | Jef91|Busy | What should I be using other than epoxy - should I be solidering it? |
| 19:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | shanttu: I'd guess it is |
| 19:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91|Busy: definitely |
| 19:57.31 | Jef91|Busy | kk |
| 19:57.35 | Jef91|Busy | goes to find the iron |
| 19:57.42 | shanttu | DocScrutinizer, thanks. will try |
| 19:58.08 | valerius | shantty -r for rootfs if I remember correctly |
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| 19:58.29 | valerius | not --F |
| 19:59.38 | shanttu | valerius, so -r /.img -R -f |
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| 20:00.49 | valerius | probably, yes |
| 20:00.49 | valerius | yes |
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| 20:02.21 | shanttu | thanks |
| 20:03.13 | valerius | BTW, how to flash the n900 from the SD or eMMC card? There is a maemo flasher which works directly on device -- how to specify it the device to flash? -- It complains that "No USB device found" |
| 20:04.39 | valerius | shantty but you will need to convert the tar archive to .img first... |
| 20:04.46 | javispedro | you will only be able to reflash the kernel locally, for obvious reasons |
| 20:05.32 | javispedro | if you want to do that, you need to start softupd and then flasher --local ; google around for additional information. |
| 20:05.39 | shanttu | valerius, yes, of course. |
| 20:05.45 | valerius | javispedro yes, I suggest so. But it doesn't know where to flash image to... |
| 20:06.39 | valerius | javispedro ah, so, '--local' is essential... |
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| 20:08.36 | Jef91|Busy | is there a tear down guide for this thing somewhere? |
| 20:08.45 | Jef91|Busy | For getting at the main board I need to soldier |
| 20:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | -F, --fiasco=ARG Location of a FIASCO image // -r, --rootfs=ARG Location of root JFFS2 image // vs: -f, --flash Load and flash all supplied images |
| 20:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | probably nothing wrong with -f, though -r should suffice as well, given the installed kernel matches the modules on image, you'll need the -F though |
| 20:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91|Busy: there are service manuals |
| 20:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91|Busy: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic |
| 20:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91|Busy: or directly proceed to http://www.google.de/search?q=Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf |
| 20:20.51 | Jef91|Busy | thanks |
| 20:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | or http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf |
| 20:21.00 | Jef91|Busy | need to get a non-standard screw driver it seems |
| 20:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: thanks :-D |
| 20:21.07 | Jef91|Busy | that had slipped my mind as well, stupid thing. |
| 20:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | torx6, rather standard |
| 20:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | don't try to find a workaround though |
| 20:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | and be *very* careful on reassembly with not tightening screws too hard! recommendation is to use new screws to avoid rather nasty breakage of used ones on tightening them |
| 20:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | also be very careful with the flat plastic flex connector |
| 20:23.17 | Jef91|Busy | Yep yep. |
| 20:23.18 | Jef91|Busy | Yea |
| 20:23.20 | Jef91|Busy | Noticed that |
| 20:23.24 | Jef91|Busy | shrugs. |
| 20:23.27 | Jef91|Busy | If this goes poorly |
| 20:23.30 | Jef91|Busy | I'll just get a new one |
| 20:23.41 | Jef91|Busy | thanks for the tips though |
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| 20:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | keep the pieces to send them to me then :-D |
| 20:23.54 | luca_ | hi, there |
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| 20:24.34 | luca_ | I'm having a weird problem and about to reflash because I can't find a solution. The problem is described here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12531 |
| 20:24.39 | povbot | 04Bug 12531: alarmd events don't produce any sound or vibration |
| 20:25.13 | Jef91|Busy | DocScrutinizer This should for the torx6? http://www.homedepot.com/buy/tools-hardware/hand-tools/husky/6-piece-hex-screwdriver-set-114546.html |
| 20:25.27 | luca_ | I have the feeling that it should be a fairly simple problem to fix, but my lack of knowledge about that architecture of maemo is getting in the way |
| 20:26.04 | luca_ | besides alarmd, now I noticed I don't get any notifications sounds or vibrations now |
| 20:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91|Busy: yes |
| 20:26.28 | luca_ | so I'm more suspicious about the notification mechanism than alarmd |
| 20:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | "bits include: ... T6 ..." |
| 20:27.08 | luca_ | is this the right place to ask for help debugging this problem to see if I can avoid a reflashing? |
| 20:27.49 | Jef91|Busy | twas just checking :P |
| 20:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | luca_: alarmd supposed to do any of that? (vibrate, create sounds) |
| 20:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | alarmd is a daemon after all, only meant to execute a callback function at a certain moment |
| 20:29.45 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: no, I don't think so, but I first I thought maybe it was a problem with the communication to systemui |
| 20:29.57 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: now I don't think that's the case |
| 20:30.25 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: if you see the bug report, the dbus-monitor stuff, I see the same behaviour when I receive a message for example |
| 20:30.45 | luca_ | (sending a Play call and immediately after that a Stop) |
| 20:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, who's sending that? |
| 20:31.21 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: I don't know exactly, that's why I'm asking for help :) |
| 20:31.25 | Jef91|Busy | thanks for that PDF DocScrutinizer thats exactly what I need |
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| 20:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91|Busy: yw |
| 20:31.39 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: I just run dbus-monitor and do stuff and see what happens |
| 20:32.11 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: I don't know exactly who is using dbus to send those (rpc) calls |
| 20:32.32 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: I'm not very familiar with dbus either to be honest :S |
| 20:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | luca_: I'd uninstall the usual suspects, like custom ringtone apps, special alarm clocks, profile managers ("to make your phone silent any time you want... ;-P") |
| 20:33.49 | jazedal | Survey - Which browser do you use on your N900? |
| 20:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | also uninstall or stop/disable dbus-scropting pkg, which you maybe got installed |
| 20:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | jazedal: ATM? none |
| 20:34.40 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: Why? |
| 20:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | usually? mircoB |
| 20:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally? Opera |
| 20:35.06 | jazedal | Why switch to Opera occasionally? |
| 20:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | why? because I'm on my laptop irc'ing ATM |
| 20:35.19 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: I don't have much of that, and nothing got updated before the problem started |
| 20:36.03 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: ideally I'd like to fully understand the problem instead of trying random solutions (I've been doing a lot of that lately and it's not workin :P) |
| 20:36.13 | jazedal | I usually use MicroB, because it's faster and the controls are better suited for a phone, but syncing the bookmarks is difficult. |
| 20:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | luca_: I feel the same ragrding that |
| 20:36.32 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: do you know if there are any developers here that can know about this stuff? |
| 20:36.33 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: How do you handle the inability to preserve your bookmarks? |
| 20:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | regarding* |
| 20:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | jazedal: I had no such problem yet |
| 20:37.18 | jazedal | luca_: Have you searched google? |
| 20:38.03 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: When surfing from your phone, do you not encounter web pages that you want saved? |
| 20:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | sure I do, I create a bookmark in microB and done |
| 20:38.32 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: did you mean dbus-scripts? that's the only package I have installed close to the one you mentioned |
| 20:38.33 | jazedal | And, after saving said pages, have difficulty syncing them with your main computer? |
| 20:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 20:38.40 | luca_ | jazedal: a lot :) |
| 20:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | never seen the need to do that |
| 20:38.53 | luca_ | jazedal: I found similar problems but not the same |
| 20:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | just in case I need sth like that, I c&p the URL to IRC to my alter ego on the other end of the mobile/stationary trench |
| 20:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | most direct instant and simple way I could come up with |
| 20:40.48 | jazedal | So you use IRC to meet your portable information gathering requirements. |
| 20:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | actually I rarely ever surf when mobile, and if I do then not on pages that needed bookmarks |
| 20:42.28 | jazedal | That took seven questions to find out, I should optimize my interrogation skills. |
| 20:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | very occasionally I want to continue reading a web page on my N900 that I started reading on stationary PC, then I send it to DocScrutinizer51 and click it in xchat |
| 20:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | needs like 5 mousclicks and takes less than 10s, both ends together |
| 20:44.13 | jazedal | I, for one, sometimes surf a lot on my N900. |
| 20:44.42 | jazedal | IRC and xchat is not an option for me. |
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| 20:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | if I'd need to have a central repository of bookmarks, I'd create it on a webpage I can access from any arbitrary browser |
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| 20:45.43 | jazedal | A central repository is not necessary, just a syncronization of data. |
| 20:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | syncing is a PITA |
| 20:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | syncing to a central repo less though |
| 20:46.23 | jazedal | I actually have no central location, I sync everything everywhere |
| 20:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | after all I always could log in to my stationary PC via vnc |
| 20:46.44 | jazedal | I don't find it a pain, once you have it set up |
| 20:47.13 | jazedal | I don't have a single stationary pc, and when I did, I didn't keep it on when I was away. |
| 20:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, I got several "public" places: ovi, people.om several private boxen |
| 20:48.37 | jazedal | I keep my docs encrypted in a volume file, sync'd between a flash drive, my phone, and peoples computers i use |
| 20:48.53 | jazedal | I use portable apps when possible |
| 20:49.04 | jazedal | It's rather secure for being so portable |
| 20:49.22 | jazedal | Unfortunately the phone isn't complying |
| 20:50.10 | jazedal | At least the bookmarks part |
| 20:50.32 | madalu` | So Google Talk calls initiated from another jabber/xmpp ring on the n900. But Google Talk calls forwarded from Google Voice don't. :( |
| 20:51.33 | jazedal | GV requires your IM account to be logged in through a browser |
| 20:51.54 | jazedal | The browser plugin runs on windows and i386 Linux |
| 20:52.04 | jazedal | Unfortunately, not ARMEL |
| 20:52.26 | madalu` | But GV forwards to GT. And I can otherwise received GT calls on the n900. |
| 20:52.34 | jazedal | It's a conspiracy to prevent free calls on the internet |
| 20:52.57 | jazedal | which is soon to be the best medium for all communication |
| 20:53.29 | jazedal | GV forwards to GT when GT is logged in from a browser |
| 20:54.12 | madalu` | O.K. Thanks. |
| 20:54.19 | jazedal | You're welcome. |
| 20:55.04 | madalu` | Though now that I think of it, I can receive forwarded calls in Pidgin without being logged into a browser. |
| 20:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | I agree microB is missing a nice bookmark ex/import function (though I haven't checked at all, maybe it has). Better yet than N9/HARM where you got no bookmarks at all in browser |
| 20:55.18 | jazedal | Pidgin can receive calls? |
| 20:55.30 | federico2 | which repositories are usually recommended for an N900? |
| 20:56.15 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: I think I remember there being a command line program that would export the bookmarks, but I lost it on an N900 reflash due to a bad backup and sync plan. |
| 20:56.42 | jazedal | federico2: I use all three repositories pinned to the most stable when possible. |
| 20:56.55 | madalu` | Yes, Pidgin can receive Google voice calls forwarded to Google talk. |
| 20:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, I see an "import bookmarks" on "old microB" (PR1.2) |
| 20:57.41 | jazedal | madalu`: GV shouldn't be able to forward calls to Pidgin, anyhow. |
| 20:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | I'd almost bet there's "an app for that" |
| 20:58.03 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: There is an import, I will need an export too. |
| 20:58.14 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: Hmm. |
| 20:58.15 | madalu` | jazedal: It does: via xmpp. |
| 20:58.57 | madalu` | If you have checked forward to Google Chat in Google voice settings. |
| 20:59.21 | jazedal | madalu`: Can you please verify %100 that Google Voice can forward calls to Pidgin. |
| 20:59.28 | jazedal | madalu`: That should not be possible. |
| 20:59.33 | madalu` | Why not possible? |
| 20:59.37 | madalu` | I just did it this morning. |
| 20:59.49 | jazedal | Hmm. |
| 21:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for URL, but http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=bookmark&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same |
| 21:00.32 | madalu` | Check "Forward to Google Chat" in Google Voice settings. Activate voice and video plugin in Pidgin. Then call Google voice number. |
| 21:01.03 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: Interesting, I wonder if one solves my problem. |
| 21:01.46 | jazedal | I'll review them later. |
| 21:02.34 | jazedal | madalu`: Then the question is, what is involved in porting Pidgin Voice and Video to maemo. |
| 21:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 21:04.00 | jazedal | catchphrase |
| 21:06.02 | jazedal | Curious why it was necessary to point out that you are done commenting. |
| 21:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | jazedal: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1065129#post1065129 |
| 21:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | MyBookmarks.xml sounds easy enough to handle |
| 21:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | and yeah, quite obviously a normal backup will also store your bookmarks to the "archive" |
| 21:11.07 | jazedal | Thanks. I hope it has a CLI |
| 21:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | alas the F*CKING backup app has none |
| 21:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | it seems |
| 21:12.56 | jazedal | So I've heard. |
| 21:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | not even a dbus interface to trigger it that way, though.... HAM cna start backup |
| 21:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, that only rises the GUI and asks for user interaction |
| 21:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | so annoying still |
| 21:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | incrediblly poor system architecture another time, I'm wondering how to schedule automatic backround backups since I got my first N900 >:-( |
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| 21:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet the friggin backup app is closed source as usual with those bits that suck most |
| 21:15.52 | jazedal | I use to use duplicity or rdiff-backup, but now i just use unison |
| 21:16.24 | jazedal | They can backup over ssh, or usb |
| 21:16.38 | jazedal | , can be automated, and |
| 21:17.13 | jazedal | are supported |
| 21:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I got a standard rsync script cron job on my stationary PC for that |
| 21:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 21:17.55 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 21:18.39 | jazedal | DocScrutinizer: So you already have a backup plan.. |
| 21:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | sorta, yes |
| 21:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | but not the sort of backup that allows you to restore just the settings, in an easy way. Or access the bookmarks in that tgz file |
| 21:19.35 | jazedal | If rsync doesn't meet all of the requirements, unison might. I believe it is build on the rsync lib |
| 21:19.42 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 21:20.14 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 21:20.19 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 3d 5h 25m 9s, last said: 'pawky: yes'. |
| 21:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | osso-backup is rather special |
| 21:20.54 | jazedal | osso-backup...THAT's the utility that backs up the bookmarks via a command line, isnt it... |
| 21:21.06 | Pali | X-Fade please look at kernel-power-* packages in maemo repository... |
| 21:21.33 | jazedal | Anyway, I backup my settings manually, by picking out the files I want to preserve. |
| 21:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | Application Options: |
| 21:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 21:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: |
| 21:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.11 | jazedal | No, I remember using it in my backup scripts for something. |
| 21:23.18 | jazedal | That doesn't make sense. |
| 21:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 21:25.31 | jazedal | Good news: BookmarkBridge has a CLI |
| 21:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | it's at least missing a --background or --daemonize option, to run unattended |
| 21:26.50 | jazedal | if it had any command line control, you could automate it with UpStart and some timer script |
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| 21:30.49 | jazedal | But, I ask for so little. |
| 21:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, find out where those friggin bookmarks are stored. No matter if it's gconf or berkley db or sqlite or plaintext, you probably can convert it "online" |
| 21:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'd almost bet it's sth like ~user/.microb/bookmarks/bookmarkdb |
| 21:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | alas not, according to find (1) |
| 21:35.55 | jazedal | ~/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml |
| 21:36.10 | jazedal | I believe that's it. |
| 21:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | dang, forgot the i in -name |
| 21:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | like -iname |
| 21:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, that's it |
| 21:39.31 | jazedal | Working on building BookmarkBridge from source on the N900. |
| 21:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | slaps himself and shouts "will you use -iname from now on, will you?!" |
| 21:40.43 | jazedal | Tell him. |
| 21:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | <!DOCTYPE xbel PUBLIC "+//IDN python.org//DTD XML Bookmark Exchange Language 1.0//EN//XML" "http://www.python.org/topics/xml/dtds/xbel-1.0.dtd"> |
| 21:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-)) |
| 21:42.09 | jazedal | Generated from Python? |
| 21:44.06 | jazedal | or BEL |
| 21:45.09 | jazedal | Oh, I didn't know there was a standard bookmark file format. |
| 21:46.05 | jazedal | That makes firefox the perpetrator in my attempt to synchronize bookmarks. |
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| 22:25.32 | luke-jr | so is anyone working on a proper N900 BME replacement? |
| 22:25.41 | luke-jr | ie, something I can run as an init script |
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| 22:33.00 | Pali | luke-jr, I'm working on kernel module |
| 22:33.16 | luke-jr | Pali: hmm! |
| 22:33.18 | Pali | without userspace daemon/program |
| 22:33.36 | luke-jr | good idea |
| 22:33.59 | Pali | I sent last version to LKML: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/7/626 |
| 22:34.20 | Pali | but it is still not complete and propably not working... |
| 22:41.29 | jazedal | Why do we want BME? |
| 22:42.07 | psycho_oreos | proper control over charging of battery, maybe one can do fancy stuff with it |
| 22:42.55 | jazedal | It doesn't sound too useful. |
| 22:42.56 | psycho_oreos | nokia's BME has been a pain in the neck for most cases anyway.. sometimes not reporting battery level correctly, no proper indication of how much battery power is left when hostmode is enabled, etc, etc, etc |
| 22:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you can't do fancy stuff with that |
| 22:43.14 | jazedal | psycho_oreos: Ok |
| 22:43.35 | luke-jr | jazedal: we don't, that's the point of another charger |
| 22:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: rhere's a script since "years" that you could start from system init |
| 22:43.55 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I have a script, but it's not very friendly for init |
| 22:44.05 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: and probably not power efficient |
| 22:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | eeeh, power efficient? |
| 22:44.23 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, well I said maybe :) then again the standard BME is somewhat restrictive as it is |
| 22:44.26 | jazedal | You're doing the browser right after, right? |
| 22:45.12 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, can be that script charge21.sh running always on background (when charger is not connected too)? |
| 22:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:45.57 | Pali | no side effect? |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | not more than the known ones |
| 22:46.27 | Pali | and what is known? |
| 22:46.29 | luke-jr | other than executing i2c tools, printing, etc |
| 22:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | which are: no proper reporting of battery state to hal, etc |
| 22:47.23 | Pali | ok, reporting to hal and is not big problem... |
| 22:47.37 | luke-jr | HAL is dead |
| 22:47.52 | Pali | you are right! |
| 22:48.10 | jazedal | Problem building BookmarkBridge on the N900: It requires libqt-dev; however, libqt4-dev has a problem with file /usr/bin/uic. It fails when run contrary to its documented expected behavior. |
| 22:48.48 | jazedal | /usr/bin/uic: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 22:49.00 | jazedal | uic is a binary ELF file |
| 22:49.04 | luke-jr | Pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80889 |
| 22:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | why would you want bookmark-bridge on N900 anyway? |
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| 22:49.45 | jazedal | Originally, the idea was to convert the xml file to firefox format before backup/sync |
| 22:50.20 | jazedal | You just reminded me that the XML format is the ideal format, and it should be backed up the way it is. |
| 22:50.38 | Pali | luke-jr, I will look at it later... |
| 22:50.54 | Pali | also ping freemangordon about that patches |
| 22:51.01 | jazedal | I was in the middle of building it when I realized that, though, and it might have been nice to have it on the N900. |
| 22:52.09 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, can charge21.sh swith charging from wallcharger to usb charger? |
| 22:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: (power efficient) indeed it's useless to run the watchdog tickle for bq24150 4..6 times a minute, as you could stop this during times where no charger is attached. But then you'd need to watch for charger plug in and that will either require kevents monitor or polling of sysfs node. And the i2c cmd to tickle wd is utterly lightweight anyway |
| 22:53.04 | jazedal | I will not facepalm and yell at myself, though, it is a strange custom. |
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| 22:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: no, it doesn't as of now |
| 22:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | it could get augmented to do this |
| 22:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | for now it's somewhat mistreating USB hosts |
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| 22:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | same way your usual 3.5" external USB hardrive or UMTS stick does |
| 22:55.02 | NIN101 | have read of stuff like risking frying pc usb ports when using charge21.sh, as it pulls more than 500 ma... BS? |
| 22:55.35 | Pali | ok |
| 22:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's somewhat correct, just it's one of legion of devices that do this |
| 22:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | you could however easily change max USB current to always stay at 500mA, which would reduce charging speed on fastchargers but would basically comply with USB specs for hosts |
| 22:57.25 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: assuming the kernel caches the i2c binaries etc |
| 22:57.45 | luke-jr | which might not always be true |
| 22:58.04 | luke-jr | also, kernel module is probably safer from swapping |
| 22:58.13 | Pali | ok, so in kernel driver I need check if usb charger is connected and change max current |
| 22:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: when it doesn't then you got real problems with power usage that are not caused by that script ;-D |
| 22:58.42 | luke-jr | ;) |
| 22:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: NO, you can't and don't want to do that |
| 22:58.53 | luke-jr | anyhow, I've changed gears. |
| 22:59.12 | luke-jr | I have 75 minutes left to use TODAY, so I want to try to get voice calling working |
| 22:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: you'll introduce layering problems by doing this |
| 22:59.42 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, what is correct way? |
| 23:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | this switching depending on USB enum has to be done by a userland daemon |
| 23:00.46 | luke-jr | … |
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| 23:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | the whole USB enum and deciding if that's ok for charging now, is way too complex to do all that in kernel space |
| 23:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | you want a userland daemon that waits for kevent signalling change in VBUS sysnode, indicating either a plugin or removal of any charger or USB host. Then that userland daemon checks what we want to do, according to what got actually plugged in, then it configures bq24150 via kenel module accordingly and sets the kernel module to auto, which relieves the duty of tickling watchdog from userland daemon. Then the daemon basically goes idle |
| 23:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | again, waiting for next kevent on /sys/*/vbus |
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| 23:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | on removal you set USB-MAX-CURRENT to either 500mA or 100mA if you're *very* conservative and cautious. So charger chip will start charging at that rate immediately as soon as anything gets plugged in and delivers power |
| 23:12.00 | Pali | ok |
| 23:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | eventually USB Enum kicks in, eventually either fastcharger or max-current of 400mA (USB hub) or 500mA (direct host) got negotiated, and when that happened and got finished, the userland daemon can rconfigure the /sys/*/bq24150 accordingly |
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| 23:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | or you trust in all your equipment isn't the absolute crap and has proper 500mA USB power capabilities (otherwise you already had killed it by plugging in one of the above mentioned other "rogue" peripherals or even a USB-mugwarmer or USB-fan) and you don't bother too much about charging a completely empty battery takes 4:30 instead of 4:00 - so you set max USB current to 500mA and forget about all the userland daemon cruft and trust in |
| 23:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150 and bq24150.ko tickling the watchdog |
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| 23:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | this will "just work" in 99.999% of cases, and may result in charging simply failing due to some windows PC getting upset on a peripheral drawing 500mA without ENUM in the rest of cases |
| 23:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | I still have to check if bq24150 actually resumes charging when power gets applied, even without reconfiguring it (I.E. resetting "power lost" error), but basically that's no real reason for getting any overcomplicated detecting and whatnot in kernel or userland daemon - it can be done with each watchdog tickling in bq24150.ko as well as charge21.sh if actually needed |
| 23:29.41 | javispedro | feels the urge to remove all those screenshots of Android that someone has been adding to the Linux, ARM architecture, and several other Wikipedia pages |
| 23:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | wth?! today? |
| 23:30.37 | javispedro | nah, been there for a while, prolly they'll argue they are "useful" |
| 23:31.26 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Operating_systems |
| 23:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | meh, on wikipedia |
| 23:36.25 | HyperSnyper | how dificult would it be to get RISC OS running on the n900.... |
| 23:36.45 | HyperSnyper | know theres afew emulators but not sure if nay are open source |
| 23:37.07 | HyperSnyper | RISC OS <3 |
| 23:37.37 | mavhc | HyperSnyper: right and middle click might be tricky |
| 23:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | I'm recently cleaning out ~5 spam edits per day on average, on wiki.maemo.org - pretty annoying though it earns me karma |
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| 23:38.29 | mavhc | HyperSnyper: risc os open has the source code |
| 23:39.06 | HyperSnyper | i just want to play Hamters |
| 23:39.12 | mavhc | heh |
| 23:39.13 | HyperSnyper | one of the first games i ever played |
| 23:39.15 | HyperSnyper | :D |
| 23:39.30 | mavhc | the one with the giant mallet? |
| 23:39.39 | HyperSnyper | thats the one :D |
| 23:39.41 | HyperSnyper | heheh |
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| 23:40.20 | HyperSnyper | remeber Tom Cooper appearing couple of years ago saying he wanted to port it to Mobiles but not seen anything about it since |
| 23:40.25 | mavhc | yeah, it's on http://www.acornarcade.com/features/freegames/ but games are always an issue because they're hacky |
| 23:41.49 | mavhc | http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,113088/ |
| 23:44.21 | HyperSnyper | some good memories looks through that arcon arcade list |
| 23:44.44 | HyperSnyper | spent far too many hours playing Phaeton |
| 23:46.08 | mavhc | never got far with arc elite, not owning an arc at the time, got elite status on bbc elite. played cycloids quite a bit |
| 23:50.27 | jazedal | That's it. It was 'osso-addressbook-backup' that I used in my backup scripts. |
| 23:54.29 | luke-jr | >>> media-libs/libcmtspeechdata-2.1.1 merged. |
| 23:54.49 | luke-jr | javispedro: Android isn't Linux. do it. |
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| 23:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | is somebody claim it was linux, on that wikipage? |
| 23:56.28 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Embedded_devices |
| 23:56.33 | luke-jr | "screenshots of Android that someone has been adding to the Linux," |
| 23:57.30 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: FYI, you were right, it was something related to a package altering ringtones (ringtoned) |
| 23:58.13 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: it screwed up ~user/.sounds creating a broken symlink (I don't know how since I installed it ages ago and never used and never opdated) |
| 23:59.13 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: all sounds (even alarms) look for sounds there, so they couldn't find them and fail |
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| 23:59.45 | luca_ | DocScrutinizer: for some reason when changing the settings, the sounds were reproduced OK |