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| 00:14.01 | LaoLang_cool | I guess maemo is the best os for multi-task support! |
| 00:14.33 | chem|st | jiero: ? you managed to get maemo running on lumina? |
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| 00:37.46 | jiero | no |
| 00:38.16 | jiero | chem|st: damnit Nokia1 I just "hope" :S |
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| 00:47.20 | ShadowJK | Why did you say N900 in Lumia 710 shell? |
| 00:47.43 | luke-jr | holy crap |
| 00:47.52 | luke-jr | drained my N900 battery to 0% cuz I forgot XD |
| 00:47.59 | luke-jr | and just managed to plug it in in time |
| 00:48.06 | ShadowJK | without bme? |
| 00:49.49 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: yeah, do I need BME for something? |
| 00:50.09 | ShadowJK | no I was just wondering which measurement of 0 you used |
| 00:51.05 | luke-jr | charge21.bash |
| 00:51.06 | luke-jr | :P |
| 00:51.28 | luke-jr | 2 mAh |
| 00:51.58 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:52.00 | luke-jr | (and this is while compiling PyKDE) |
| 00:52.36 | ShadowJK | (even when calibrated, it's a guess below 6%) |
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| 01:21.01 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: 2 mAh is also a guess? |
| 01:21.25 | ShadowJK | yeah :P |
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| 01:22.19 | ShadowJK | The guess part is an assumption that at 3248mV there'll be 6% left until ~3000mV which is considered to be 0, though the hardware shutdown is around 2800mV actually, and the cellular modem stops working at around 3100... |
| 01:23.03 | ShadowJK | Whether there's actually 6% left until modem stops working, or until the entire device dies, is just an assumption/guess :P |
| 01:27.34 | Pali | lxp1, thanks for help |
| 01:28.09 | Pali | DocScrutinizer, now I know how flasher got that 8 bytes :D |
| 01:28.56 | Pali | I found function which return 32bit int from array in flasher-3.5 |
| 01:29.20 | Pali | first is called that function for secondary image |
| 01:29.55 | Pali | and returned 4bytes is added to array (first 4 - header, second size) |
| 01:30.26 | Pali | and that function is called on 12bit array (header, size, output from first call) |
| 01:31.06 | Pali | *12byt |
| 01:31.31 | Pali | and returned 4 bytes are last 4 bytes for that stupid nokias magic... |
| 01:32.11 | Pali | So now RE coldflashing is done :-) |
| 01:33.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:33.50 | luke-jr | Pali: were you = power kernel too? |
| 01:34.13 | Pali | luke-jr: what? |
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| 01:34.30 | luke-jr | Pali: you maintain power kernel or not? |
| 01:34.40 | Pali | yes |
| 01:35.12 | luke-jr | Pali: are you interested in patch to add highpass filter (so speakers don't blow up)? |
| 01:35.40 | Pali | you can sent me it, I will look at it |
| 01:35.48 | luke-jr | where at? |
| 01:36.17 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/0001-Support-for-tlv3 |
| 01:36.19 | luke-jr | err |
| 01:36.22 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/0001-Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.patch |
| 01:36.34 | luke-jr | Pali: still want me to email it? |
| 01:36.41 | Pali | its ok |
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| 01:40.18 | luke-jr | Pali: would be nice if it could be made to work at all kHz, and/or disable kHz it doesn't work at entirely, but I don't know how to do either |
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| 01:57.02 | Pali | shit, that magic bits are really crc32.... |
| 01:57.34 | merlin1991 | lulz |
| 01:57.49 | Pali | first crc32 checksum is for image data |
| 01:58.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:58.25 | Pali | and second for: 4byte header, 4byte size, 4byte first checksum |
| 01:59.20 | Pali | why nokia added checksum for 12byt message?? |
| 02:00.15 | merlin1991 | in order the be really really sure? |
| 02:00.19 | troulouliou_dev | hi i have reinstalled my n900 with a custom rom and need to reistall all my apps , i can not find the name of the apps that allow to choose between cam or flashlight when opening the cam lid |
| 02:00.36 | Pali | 16bytes init message it: 4bytes header, 4bytes image size, 4bytes crc32 of image, 4bytes crc32 of first 12 bytes |
| 02:00.41 | merlin1991 | "custom rom" ? sounds evil |
| 02:01.07 | troulouliou_dev | merlin1991 bah it is just a backup with some app and shortcut added |
| 02:01.15 | merlin1991 | troulouliou_dev: I belive the name is Camera Lens Launcher |
| 02:01.45 | merlin1991 | package name cl-launcher |
| 02:02.39 | troulouliou_dev | merlin1991 ok checing now thanks |
| 02:03.08 | troulouliou_dev | merlin1991 and what is the name of the app that allow to manage the way the N900 connect to internet |
| 02:03.34 | troulouliou_dev | disabling 3g / bluetooth / wifi .... |
| 02:03.34 | merlin1991 | err that descitpion is wayyyy to amibigous |
| 02:03.54 | troulouliou_dev | it is a menu located in settings |
| 02:04.17 | troulouliou_dev | that allwo to configure all the conection like bluetooth / wifi / 3 g ... |
| 02:04.35 | troulouliou_dev | i installed it and used it for years but know can not find it again |
| 02:04.48 | merlin1991 | sorry, don't know that one |
| 02:05.30 | troulouliou_dev | ok np :) |
| 02:05.38 | troulouliou_dev | btw this is the rom i have installed http://pwnieexpress.com/ |
| 02:06.15 | merlin1991 | rofl |
| 02:06.43 | merlin1991 | you do realize you can do all that without installing the "custom rom" from that err suspicous page? |
| 02:06.44 | SpeedEvil | troulouliou_dev: flashlight-extra |
| 02:07.29 | troulouliou_dev | merlin1991 yes sure to be honest i just wanted to know how they manage to shrink the font size in the shell for some apps :) |
| 02:07.42 | troulouliou_dev | some ncursed base apps |
| 02:08.01 | merlin1991 | I guess the have the binary send something to xterm |
| 02:08.11 | merlin1991 | you can adjust the font size yourself with the zoom keys |
| 02:08.29 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: I've been looking for that one but couldn't find it the right keywords :D |
| 02:09.17 | troulouliou_dev | merlin1991yes but it is stick at a size of 24 or less i think then it display already at minimum font size |
| 02:09.33 | troulouliou_dev | int this rom they have added size of 6 and 8 |
| 02:09.52 | merlin1991 | just haxx0r it into xterm |
| 02:09.54 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 02:10.21 | merlin1991 | I wonder how they can provide a full image of meamo5 + stuff without violating nokia copyright on the closed source parts |
| 02:10.55 | troulouliou_dev | merlin1991 don't nwo it is a backup that you install with rootbacup application at startup |
| 02:12.05 | troulouliou_dev | this is backuo is a legit rom first then it smash /opt and home/user/mydocs |
| 02:12.26 | troulouliou_dev | so i guess it is legit |
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| 02:57.41 | Pali | new final version of my cold flasher is out, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80840 |
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| 03:03.21 | Intan_b | any body knows about progresses of harmattan ? i wonder which device is supportet |
| 03:04.38 | SpeedEvil | Only the n9 and n950 |
| 03:04.41 | SpeedEvil | that's it. |
| 03:04.51 | SpeedEvil | And no, you can't port it to other devices legally |
| 03:06.42 | Intan_b | no support for n900 then ? |
| 03:07.04 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 03:09.08 | Intan_b | btw n9 is really nice device with more appropriate os |
| 03:10.24 | Intan_b | would it got beta release anytime soon (harmattan)? |
| 03:11.37 | SpeedEvil | It's been released on the n9 |
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| 05:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | moo flks |
| 05:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | pali: nice :-) |
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| 05:48.54 | Technomike | hey guys got a little urgent problem here i need help with. when i go to download or save files on my n900, it shows the message 'Not Allowed' . i think its a problem with the file system or something because i was unraring an archive on my n900 earlier and it froze so i had to remove the battery. Its definetly something to do with that because it was fine beforehand. |
| 05:49.17 | Technomike | would really appreciate any help at all |
| 05:50.30 | dm8tbr | what does 'df' tell you? which filesystem is full? |
| 05:51.00 | merlin1991 | also what does mount tell you? |
| 05:51.18 | merlin1991 | especially the MyDocs part? |
| 05:51.24 | merlin1991 | Technomike: ^^ |
| 05:52.15 | merlin1991 | MyDocs should be the line /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,... |
| 05:52.21 | merlin1991 | the rw part is important |
| 05:52.25 | dm8tbr | my current best bet would be: FAT is corrupted and mounted RO |
| 05:52.39 | merlin1991 | yeah that's what where I was going with this :D |
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| 06:02.38 | Technomike | /dev/mmcblk0p1 28312128 27962944 349184 99% /home/user/MyDocs |
| 06:03.05 | merlin1991 | woha nice usage |
| 06:03.10 | merlin1991 | that might be the reason :D |
| 06:03.29 | Technomike | sorry guys I am fairly noobish to be honest |
| 06:04.10 | Technomike | haha well how can i find out if it is read only because that is what seems to be the case |
| 06:04.35 | merlin1991 | Technomike: check "mount" in x-term |
| 06:04.35 | Technomike | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) |
| 06:04.40 | merlin1991 | that's read write |
| 06:04.52 | merlin1991 | but from your df output it seems to be almost full |
| 06:05.03 | merlin1991 | maybe remove one or two videos and try again ;) |
| 06:06.01 | Technomike | well i just checked the disc usage in file manager and 341mb are free |
| 06:06.35 | merlin1991 | you can run df -h for mor readable solution |
| 06:07.43 | merlin1991 | and you should have no permission issue with MyDocs at least since it's mounted with uid=29999 which makes all access to it count as user |
| 06:08.48 | merlin1991 | Technomike: can you run "touch /home/user/MyDocs/awesometesetfile" ? |
| 06:09.57 | Technomike | aha just tried to delete a file in the file manager and it said drive is read only |
| 06:10.08 | merlin1991 | that IS odd |
| 06:10.17 | merlin1991 | according to your mount it is still rw |
| 06:10.27 | merlin1991 | suggests a reboot |
| 06:10.47 | merlin1991 | if that does not work, save all data and only the fsck the partition |
| 06:11.02 | merlin1991 | fsck on maemo is a synonyme for fuck up ;) |
| 06:11.13 | Technomike | touch: /home/user/MyDocs/awesometesetfile: Read-only file system |
| 06:11.31 | dm8tbr | merlin1991: mount will not show if kernel remounted 'ro' for broken fs |
| 06:11.43 | merlin1991 | dm8tbr: silly, but I didn't know it |
| 06:11.44 | Technomike | i have rebooted a few times |
| 06:12.01 | dm8tbr | Technomike: attach to PC, do filesystem check |
| 06:12.12 | Technomike | ah so basically i have gone and corrupted the fs then.... |
| 06:12.17 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 06:12.18 | Technomike | damn |
| 06:12.33 | Technomike | i have no access to a pc at the moment |
| 06:12.34 | merlin1991 | well then I suggest back up your data, using pc, and after that run fs test |
| 06:13.10 | merlin1991 | on the other hand if you don't need your data, then you can unmount MyDocs and run the fs check on the device |
| 06:13.17 | merlin1991 | risking complete dataloss |
| 06:13.39 | Technomike | hmm just tried an sd card and even that is saying its read only but its definetly rw because its been in my phone |
| 06:14.07 | merlin1991 | does dmesg reveal anything weird? |
| 06:15.32 | Technomike | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.55 | Technomike | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.14 | merlin1991 | so far promising |
| 06:22.00 | villager | merlin1991: in case you want to know, "cat /proc/mounts" would say what the kernel's view of the mount points are... |
| 06:22.45 | merlin1991 | wonders why "mount" reports something else |
| 06:23.46 | villager | merlin1991: mount/umount records what they've mounted and unmounted into the file /etc/mtab, and the kernel doesn't update that file on its own |
| 06:25.10 | merlin1991 | one could call the man page for mount missleading then |
| 06:25.21 | villager | merlin1991: it's possible to symlink /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts (I think some distros do it), but I think that has its own problems, probably with chroots and whatnot |
| 06:25.39 | merlin1991 | ... lists all mounted filesystems ... sounds like the current systemstate to me when I read it |
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| 06:28.25 | villager | merlin1991: well, in general it's true, the bootup scripts initializes mtab and all future mounting/unmount happens with mount/umount so it would update mtab, the kernel certainly doesn't do any trickery beyond error recovery |
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| 06:29.29 | villager | merlin1991: in some cases such as chroots, though, you probably really do want an independent list of mounted filesystems instead of the kernel one |
| 06:30.03 | Technomike | is there a command that i could at least try to make it read-write |
| 06:31.40 | villager | merlin1991: also /proc/mounts is a Linuxism, other Unix-type OSes only track stuff through /etc/mtab without providing any other straightforward way to get at the data |
| 06:32.33 | villager | Technomike: the MyDocs or the SD? |
| 06:33.17 | Technomike | MyDocs emmc |
| 06:33.32 | dm8tbr | fsck, but that can lead to data loss |
| 06:34.33 | villager | Technomike: if it's not already rw, it's probably not going to work... but yes, there's a command, something like "mount /home/user/MyDocs -o remount,rw" (as root) |
| 06:35.08 | Technomike | hmmm just put the sd card back in phone and deleted a file and it works fine... so its read write |
| 06:37.58 | Technomike | oh well tried it and no luck as you knew anyway |
| 06:38.17 | Technomike | well looks like its a format tomorrow... :( |
| 06:38.20 | villager | Technomike: did it say why or put anything interesting into dmesg? |
| 06:38.50 | Technomike | nope |
| 06:38.52 | Technomike | /home/user # mount /home/user/MyDocs -o remount,rw |
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| 06:39.08 | Technomike | pressed enter |
| 06:39.09 | Technomike | and |
| 06:39.11 | Technomike | /home/user # |
| 06:39.37 | villager | Technomike: it doesn't say anything if it works, maybe it worked then? |
| 06:39.51 | Technomike | ahhh |
| 06:39.53 | Technomike | [ 4427.891143] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk0p1) |
| 06:40.11 | Technomike | [ 4427.891174] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) |
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| 06:40.25 | Technomike | [ 4427.891204] File system has been set read-only |
| 06:40.33 | villager | Technomike: well I'd rather try fsck before going to the step of formatting |
| 06:40.44 | Technomike | ok |
| 06:40.50 | Technomike | where can i obtain it |
| 06:41.11 | villager | Technomike: you already have it on the device I think |
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| 06:42.38 | Technomike | fsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 06:42.50 | villager | Technomike: you could try something like "fsck -t vfat -y /dev/mmcblk0p1" (the -y says "fix all errors even if it's risky") |
| 06:42.57 | Technomike | thanks |
| 06:43.32 | Technomike | is it really that risky though |
| 06:43.51 | luke-jr | run without -y and it will ask you |
| 06:44.12 | luke-jr | also unmount it first |
| 06:44.16 | villager | Technomike: depends on the damage... only fsck will know... the -y just says that if it does discover it's risky, it won't ask and just do it |
| 06:44.47 | Technomike | /home/user # fsck -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 06:44.48 | Technomike | /bin/sh: fsck: not found |
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| 06:45.16 | Technomike | /bin/sh: fsck: not found |
| 06:45.18 | Technomike | what have i done wrong? |
| 06:45.21 | Sc0rpius | root? |
| 06:45.37 | villager | Technomike: what about /sbin/fsck? |
| 06:45.42 | Technomike | got it |
| 06:45.52 | Technomike | (got root shell) |
| 06:46.15 | Sc0rpius | well /sbin should be in root's PATH |
| 06:46.26 | villager | Technomike: or skip the wrapper and do "fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1" |
| 06:46.32 | Technomike | done it |
| 06:47.11 | Technomike | There are differences between boot sector and its backup. |
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| 06:47.22 | Technomike | does that mean anything |
| 06:48.23 | villager | probably something bad |
| 06:48.58 | Technomike | yeah |
| 06:49.08 | villager | did it ask whether you want to fix it? |
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| 06:49.49 | Technomike | FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? |
| 06:50.02 | Technomike | i have 2 choices |
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| 06:50.30 | villager | yeah there's definitely been some corruption then |
| 06:51.37 | Technomike | what would you do? try this or just use pc to backup and reformat |
| 06:51.37 | Technomike | ? |
| 06:51.44 | villager | any choice is risky and may lose data, but I'd probably choose fat number 1, as it's probably the one that's written first? |
| 06:52.16 | villager | and therefore most up to date? |
| 06:54.02 | villager | well, even if you tried to backup, the pc would have to read one of the FATs in order to do that backup, and it'd probably use FAT 1, so can't make things much worse to tell fsck to use it |
| 06:55.50 | villager | have you had the phone suddenly shut down, lose power, or whatever, while it may have been writing data to the emmc? it might explain this |
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| 06:59.44 | Technomike | yep |
| 07:00.23 | Technomike | i was extracting a rar archive on my n900 and it froze for 10min so i took the battery out |
| 07:00.33 | villager | in that case it's probably not physical damage to the emmc, and fsck will only lose whatever file was being written at the time |
| 07:01.32 | Technomike | ah thats great |
| 07:01.46 | Technomike | so it should be fine to do this now then |
| 07:02.23 | villager | probably |
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| 07:16.35 | Technomike | villager and everyone else |
| 07:16.57 | Technomike | many thanks for your help. i will just backup on pc and format tomorrow. |
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| 09:15.24 | pfavr | I've figured out how to close notifications using dbus, just use: mdbus2 org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.CloseNotification 23 |
| 09:15.47 | pfavr | This closes the notification with id 23 |
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| 11:19.55 | jazedal | There seems to be an IPC error with gpg-agent on the n900. |
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| 11:23.15 | niv_ | hi, how can I force the N900 to use AGPS and not GPS? |
| 11:23.36 | niv_ | I mean that screen that asks whether to get info from my cellular provider |
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| 11:31.25 | niv_ | when you first use the N900 and turn the gps on , a window asks whether you like to use the cellular info for the gps |
| 11:31.32 | niv_ | how to get this screen? |
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| 11:32.09 | SpeedEvil | settings -> location -> network positioning |
| 11:32.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure that's what that is using. |
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| 11:33.12 | SpeedEvil | If you are having rrouble with the GPS, make sure the clock s set about right, and place it in view of the sky (note that some windows are not GPS tranparent) for 13 mintues. |
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| 11:49.48 | jazedal | gpg-agent works when you launch a sub-shell (e.g. gpg-agent --daemon /bin/bash), but it otherwise errs. For example, with the command line, "gpg -d secret.txt.gpg", it outputs, "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use", and with the command line, "gpg-agent", it outputs "gpg-agent: can't connect to the agent: IPC connect call failed". Has anyone else had this issue? |
| 11:51.56 | jazedal | Oh, and the environment variables were set (i.e. eval `gpg-agent --daemon`). |
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| 12:49.58 | jazedal | uit |
| 12:50.50 | niv_ | speedEvil: this is plain gps |
| 12:51.08 | niv_ | speedEvil: I want to use AGPS and the cellular tower init info |
| 12:51.39 | ruskie | niv_, I believe agps is only used to jumpstart the normal gps |
| 12:53.17 | niv_ | right ruskie |
| 12:53.32 | niv_ | and so the time to get a fix is a min |
| 12:53.43 | niv_ | I get five minutes |
| 12:54.02 | niv_ | and only when I see a lot of sky outdoor |
| 12:54.27 | niv_ | i dont think the setting/location/network is the answer |
| 12:54.40 | ruskie | you in the middle of a city? out on a grassy hill? middle of a forest? |
| 12:54.46 | ruskie | inside of a building? |
| 12:55.06 | niv_ | on the street buildings a two floors |
| 12:55.11 | niv_ | lots of sky |
| 12:55.33 | niv_ | inittal location is far away from me |
| 12:55.36 | ruskie | hmm that sounds broken... what apgs server do you have in your settings? |
| 12:55.42 | niv_ | it allways starts there |
| 12:55.47 | ruskie | I think the inital location is set to when it last had a good lock |
| 12:55.47 | niv_ | 100km from here |
| 12:56.06 | niv_ | not in my case |
| 12:56.15 | niv_ | int. gps |
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| 13:03.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | niv_: change supl server to google |
| 13:03.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | most likely will fix things |
| 13:04.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | and make sure your time is correct |
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| 13:06.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | initial loc either from agps and agps/supl/gsm, or from last fix |
| 13:07.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | 100km off might mean it locates you at center of your country according to GSM CC |
| 13:07.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | or TZ |
| 13:07.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | or whatever |
| 13:10.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | good enough for (A)GPS |
| 13:10.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | check your time, your supl server |
| 13:10.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | supl.nokia.com known to be broken |
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| 14:15.27 | kodomo_ | hi folks... does anyone happen to know whether the N900 VoIP client supports SRTP? |
| 14:15.54 | kodomo_ | at least it seems to support SIP/TLS... |
| 14:20.32 | Sicelo | doesn't. as far as i can gather |
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| 14:22.11 | niv_ | DocScrutinizer51: thanks, was away , eatting |
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| 14:25.37 | kodomo_ | Sicelo: ic - as far as I get it, not even the regular telepathy supports it for now... |
| 14:28.41 | Sicelo | exactly... that's how i knew n900 doesn't. it's voip client is (based on) telepathy |
| 14:29.39 | kodomo_ | hm... I guess I'll hop to #telepathy and ask them whether it's a planned feature :P |
| 14:30.24 | kodomo_ | It's a bit of a surprise that it doesn't - given that libraries exist. |
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| 16:21.33 | MohammadAG | anyone good at graphing functions? |
| 16:22.38 | bindi | y=x |
| 16:22.40 | bindi | what do i win |
| 16:22.47 | luke-jr | new N900s for $200: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124444 |
| 16:22.56 | MohammadAG | |x| + |y| = 5 |
| 16:22.59 | MohammadAG | I need that drawn |
| 16:23.08 | bindi | havent heard of worfram alpha? |
| 16:23.15 | bindi | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=+%7Cx%7C+%2B+%7Cy%7C+%3D+5+ |
| 16:25.41 | MohammadAG | bindi, can I plot two equations together? |
| 16:26.35 | bindi | i guess |
| 16:26.39 | bindi | try seperating with comma |
| 16:28.06 | MohammadAG | that site is awesome |
| 16:28.17 | bindi | you can also make something like plot {x^2, sqrt(x)}, x=0..2 |
| 16:30.03 | MohammadAG | this is weird though http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+%7Cx%7C+%2B+%7Cy%7C+%3D+3%2C+x%5E2+%2B%7Cy%7C+%3D5 |
| 16:30.15 | bindi | lol |
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| 16:36.21 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 16:36.41 | MohammadAG | bought an iOS app to help me |
| 16:36.41 | MohammadAG | it's awesome, with lybniz was as powerful |
| 16:36.49 | javispedro | did it cost $99999? |
| 16:36.53 | MohammadAG | 2 |
| 16:37.13 | MohammadAG | but it draws 3D stuff and allows manipulation |
| 16:37.26 | MohammadAG | (by 3D I meant X/Y/Z planes) |
| 16:37.57 | javispedro | runs SpaceTime on GarnetVM |
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| 16:41.38 | javispedro | MohammadAG, any suggestions to deal with N950 abstinence syndrome? |
| 16:48.27 | MohammadAG | javispedro, what? |
| 16:48.48 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 16:48.55 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yeah, buy an iPhone |
| 16:49.00 | MohammadAG | worked fine for me |
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| 17:03.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: hi! |
| 17:06.17 | javispedro | hi |
| 17:06.44 | javispedro | og, dual-core a5 chip |
| 17:06.51 | javispedro | all-new 8mp camera |
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| 17:06.58 | javispedro | and siri! |
| 17:08.16 | MohammadAG | ooh http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_page_switch_animation.html |
| 17:08.24 | ShadowJK | is A5 the low power core for the asymmetric multicore thing? |
| 17:08.34 | RST38h | moooo javispedro |
| 17:08.40 | MohammadAG | afaik it's based on the ARM-A9 |
| 17:08.44 | ShadowJK | Oh, apple a5 not cortex a5? |
| 17:08.47 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 17:08.47 | luke-jr | I don't suppose anyone's looked into these "scheduling while atomic" bugs in Fremantle/power? |
| 17:08.49 | RST38h | any news? |
| 17:08.53 | MohammadAG | javispedro, 4S sucks, get a 4 :P |
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| 17:09.42 | MohammadAG | javispedro, |
| 17:09.48 | MohammadAG | I want a consistent header across my app |
| 17:09.50 | javispedro | RST38h, naaah, I am also N950less due to dead pixels |
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| 17:10.23 | javispedro | MohammadAG, hah, I once wanted that too, but gave up |
| 17:12.19 | MohammadAG | javispedro, https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/blobs/master/demos/widgetsgallery/viewheaderpage.cpp (!!) |
| 17:12.31 | MohammadAG | sadly it's on a window basis |
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| 17:13.29 | javispedro | interesting... |
| 17:14.06 | RST38h | javispedro: this dead pixel thing scares me |
| 17:14.13 | RST38h | looks at n950 anxiously |
| 17:14.46 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 17:14.50 | luke-jr | dead pixels = useless? |
| 17:15.05 | luke-jr | javispedro: I never got a N950. |
| 17:16.03 | luke-jr | hum, maybe ramzswap is related to the sched while atomic bug? but mine DID look different :/ |
| 17:16.03 | javispedro | luke-jr, the blobs kept growing |
| 17:16.10 | luke-jr | javispedro: ew |
| 17:16.10 | MohammadAG | when half the pixels go... |
| 17:20.14 | javispedro | it was nowhere near "half the pixels" but in three weeks it went from a few pixels to nearly a full line |
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| 17:21.33 | javispedro | so I worried that if I kept waiting DDP might eventually forget about the device entirely |
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| 17:41.09 | MohammadAG | ffs |
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| 17:45.45 | MohammadAG | MTF ALWAYS crashes my app for no reason |
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| 18:28.50 | RST38h | Meanwhile: A Chinese neighbourhood was contaminated with human waste after an explosion caused by sewage-stealing thieves. |
| 18:30.40 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 18:40.10 | rd | chem|st, replacing the display revived my n900. Thanks a lot for the guidance in narrowing down the problem. |
| 18:40.27 | rd | (now I have a good reason to continue building navit packages for the n900 :-) |
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| 19:08.25 | Jef91 | It seems the charging port on my n900 no longer wants to work |
| 19:08.47 | Jef91 | Any ideas why that might be or do I need to crack it open? |
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| 19:09.24 | Proteous | hopefully the usb jack hasn't become unsoldered from the board |
| 19:09.27 | ShadowJK | Most likely the port came off |
| 19:10.30 | ShadowJK | Some people report their usb data cable still charges their N900s when that happens. Might just be because it applies pressure slightly differently |
| 19:10.46 | ShadowJK | but I'd be nervous to try, since if it's unused it'll be alot tighter and probably dislodge the port completely |
| 19:11.10 | Jef91 | yea if I angle it right it appears to charge |
| 19:11.22 | ShadowJK | so it's loose |
| 19:11.26 | Jef91 | man I was really hoping to get another year out of this |
| 19:11.30 | ShadowJK | the port is about to fall off but hasn't quite fallen off yet |
| 19:12.20 | Jef91 | nothing to be done about it then? |
| 19:12.26 | Jef91 | Just piss poor nokia hardware? |
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| 19:12.42 | ShadowJK | A professional electronics repairman might be able to save it as long as it hasn't detached completely.. |
| 19:12.59 | ShadowJK | and a risky procedure |
| 19:13.09 | Jef91 | well it out it the n900 is just a brick right? |
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| 19:13.39 | ShadowJK | Some people have a few batteries that they cycle through external chargers |
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| 19:14.14 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 19:14.36 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 19:14.43 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1d 3h 19m 33s, last said: 'pawky: yes'. |
| 19:15.27 | Jef91 | Well I do have a second n900 |
| 19:15.57 | Jef91 | swapping batteries around might work I guess |
| 19:16.08 | Jef91 | Where can I get an external charger from? |
| 19:16.13 | ShadowJK | has a external charger ready for the day when his N900s ejects usb ports |
| 19:16.55 | ShadowJK | here's a selection of stuff http://www.eastmaze.com/product/product_list.php?search_in_description=1&x=0&y=0&keyword=BL-5J |
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| 19:19.18 | Jef91 | thanks shadowjk |
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| 20:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 20:07.43 | infobot | from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 20:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91: ^^^ |
| 20:08.59 | Jef91 | thanks docscrutinizer |
| 20:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 20:10.28 | niwakame | someone experienced discharging at N900 while switched off? |
| 20:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | may happen |
| 20:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | not all subsystems of N900 are force-shutdown |
| 20:11.19 | niwakame | have to remove the battery then next time |
| 20:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | some contact directly to battery and have no direct /SHUTDOWN pin |
| 20:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | xso if your device didn't shut down "normally" (but rather crashed to off or sth, hard shutdown by 8s powerbutton hold), you might find some subsystems still eating power |
| 20:13.11 | niwakame | I just shut it down by power button |
| 20:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | also the main (APE) system as well can enter a state where device *seems* to be off but actually isn't. Frequently seen on stall reboots |
| 20:14.08 | niwakame | I removed the battery for extracting the SIM card and put it back in :/ |
| 20:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | NB in that regard plugged-in charger makes device *always* reboot |
| 20:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 20:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | inserting battery sometimes can cause this |
| 20:15.19 | niwakame | Would be interesting if that happens too when connecting USB, but other end is not connected to charger / PC |
| 20:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | you should always boot up the device after inserting battery, then shut it down if that's what you want |
| 20:15.51 | niwakame | Ok, I will do that next time :) thanks |
| 20:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | niwakame: no, there's simply no way the device could detect a open-ended cable in USB |
| 20:16.13 | niwakame | So it was really taken down by my N9...somehow |
| 20:16.15 | niwakame | :P |
| 20:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | niwakame: when inserting battery, all the subsystems that are directly powered by battery may enter an undefined state |
| 20:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | e.g whole modem |
| 20:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | on booting up APE all those subsystems will see proper initialization, and will usually behave on next shutdown |
| 20:19.27 | niwakame | strange |
| 20:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | normal |
| 20:19.43 | niwakame | in design terms |
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| 20:20.34 | niwakame | Like the "You can't charge the device when it's not charged" because the charging is managed by CPU / some other part that needs juice inside |
| 20:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it's simply like there's no urgent need to have a 100% safe and rock solid POR circuitry on all subsystems |
| 20:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | niwakame: that's BS |
| 20:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 20:21.06 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 20:21.34 | niwakame | Never experienced myself, just seeing ppl complaining at the forum |
| 20:21.39 | niwakame | But good to know |
| 20:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | emphasis on "Nokia wallwart fastcharger" |
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| 20:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | it actually won't charge from PC USB host, as for USB ENUM *obviously* the CPU and system needs to be up and running |
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| 20:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | (well, you might be lucky and it _does_ charge form PC nevertheless, but it's neither guaranteed nor officially supported) |
| 20:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | but flatbatrecover emergency charging with the steady amber is a mere hw thing, that can't usually fail |
| 20:25.00 | niwakame | ok |
| 20:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | doom starts when the system kicks in after emergency charging did it's job. Then if you got a rootfs that's borked then you can't get charging to continue as booting to system stops emergency charging hw and switches to "sw-controlled charging" |
| 20:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | its job* |
| 20:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | and the BAD[TM] thing is that flashing a clean rootfs will fail at battery levels you could reach by hw driven emergency charging, so THAT is the well known flat battery boot loop, a vicious circle that is the reason for "WARNING!! charge your battery completely before any flashing" |
| 20:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 20:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 20:30.20 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 20:32.22 | niwakame | I humbly request to stop the information flow towards me, because I will get a bad conscience not answering and do say to thee: Thank you for all previous enlighting information ;) |
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| 20:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | a pleasure |
| 20:40.59 | niwakame | :) |
| 20:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | and get your USB port fixed! :-D |
| 20:41.34 | niwakame | mine? |
| 20:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | check the plug of the cable, contacts might be worn out or bent or dirty |
| 20:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | ooh sorry |
| 20:41.58 | niwakame | That's rock solid since day one :P |
| 20:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | nope, was menat to Jef91 |
| 20:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | meant* |
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| 20:43.12 | psychologe | DocScrutinizer, has a shortcuts to forward history on microB? |
| 20:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 20:43.36 | Jef91 | I tried several cables doc |
| 20:43.39 | niwakame | ~shortcuts |
| 20:43.39 | infobot | well, shortcuts is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures |
| 20:43.54 | niwakame | ...just trying, worked for DocScrutinizer xD |
| 20:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | lol, thanks niwakame |
| 20:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo shortcuts |
| 20:44.28 | infobot | shortcuts -- created by odin_ <n=dlm@93-97-168-38.zone5.bethere.co.uk> at Sat Dec 5 16:10:16 2009 (740 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by niwakame, 49s ago. |
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| 20:46.38 | psychologe | infobot, when microB on fullscreen mode , i want use keyboard forwrd history,,,i can use backspace key back history,but i don't kown any key forward |
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| 20:48.24 | psychologe | Shift+Backsapce can't forward history on MicroB |
| 20:49.44 | niwakame | laughs |
| 20:50.04 | niwakame | But I don't know either, I just clicked on the link again to forward |
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| 22:00.10 | troulouliou_dev | is there any news , link about a future linux phone/project to replace the N900 with a keyboard |
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