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| 01:28.09 | LaoLang_cool | hello, is it safe to remove app manager? |
| 01:28.18 | LaoLang_cool | I like to use apt-get instead |
| 01:28.33 | r00t|n900 | good idea |
| 01:29.13 | jacekowski | LaoLang_cool: nope |
| 01:29.18 | jacekowski | LaoLang_cool: just use apt-get |
| 01:29.22 | r00t|n900 | (no ideaif it's safe... i'd hope so, but...) |
| 01:29.25 | jacekowski | LaoLang_cool: but leave ham there |
| 01:30.48 | LaoLang_cool | jacekowski: the reason I want to remove it is that it always tries to update the db when connect to the internet, thought I know there's a way to set the update interval to larger value |
| 01:31.12 | LaoLang_cool | jacekowski: why is it unsafe, any reason? |
| 01:32.06 | jacekowski | yeah, dependencies |
| 01:32.11 | r00t|n900 | i think he just means it's an unnecessary risk |
| 01:32.37 | LaoLang_cool | oh, got it |
| 01:32.38 | LaoLang_cool | thanks |
| 01:32.50 | ShadowJK | Some things can't be installed by apt-get too |
| 01:32.53 | ShadowJK | but most things can |
| 01:33.04 | LaoLang_cool | any xterm alternative? |
| 01:33.12 | LaoLang_cool | the startup time of xterm is a little slow |
| 01:33.24 | LaoLang_cool | want to find a faster one |
| 01:34.18 | ShadowJK | I always have two open, and screen in one of them |
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| 01:35.07 | r00t|n900 | rxvt is faster ;) |
| 01:35.26 | r00t|n900 | port it... |
| 01:35.41 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK: always openning will waste system resource, so shorten the battery time |
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| 01:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: you ever came across the thought that the behaviour might be adjustable without removing HAM all tohether? |
| 01:36.33 | ShadowJK | It'll only eat into battery life if you have something running in them that does frequent (every 5s or so) updates |
| 01:37.11 | ShadowJK | an xterm with just a sh prompt will not have any impact on battery life |
| 01:37.23 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean? |
| 01:37.36 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK: ahh, got it |
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| 01:38.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, he did |
| 01:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | I mean you could easily find how to make HAM check for updates once every 27 years |
| 01:38.59 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: yes, I know the way |
| 01:39.16 | LaoLang_cool | I don't like the way though.. |
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| 01:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, maemo won't like your way ;-) |
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| 01:47.36 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: O_o, I think the logic way is to disable/enable, not to expand the interval time to check for update |
| 01:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | alas HAM has no such switch, but <infinite> is a valid operand in programming logic |
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| 01:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | uninstalling HAM otoh will most likely not result in a "logic" system config |
| 01:49.58 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: remove it isn't logic too, yes... |
| 01:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | and - just as I haven't said it for at least 3 days - apt-get dist-upgrade is *deprecated* |
| 01:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | even apt-get upgrade is deprecated |
| 01:50.53 | LaoLang_cool | I haven't used it ever, I use apt-get upgrade |
| 01:50.55 | LaoLang_cool | oh! |
| 01:51.22 | LaoLang_cool | Which is the way? |
| 01:51.37 | LaoLang_cool | app manager? I like cli... |
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| 01:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, when you like cli so much, then it will be mere fun for you to do by hand *all* that HAM does automatically for you, like hiding certain packages from upgrade, stopping certain system services (basically change runlevel), display changelogs, run notifications and requesters to inform you about cetain facts (like "you won't even be able to do 911 calls during that...") :-D |
| 02:05.17 | Hurrian | “webOS is the only platform designed from the ground up to be mobile, cloud-connected and scalable,” |
| 02:05.20 | Hurrian | lol |
| 02:05.52 | SpeedEvil | Is webos now going open-source properly? |
| 02:05.56 | SpeedEvil | I mussed the announg |
| 02:06.09 | Hurrian | somebody send them a cake for open sourcing it, with a big maemo.org logo on it, with the caption "WE WERE HERE FIRST, BITCHES!" |
| 02:06.35 | Hurrian | @SpeedEvil , apparently, they're going open the Maemo way |
| 02:07.01 | Hurrian | community managment, community development, HP maybe making more devices, etc. |
| 02:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 02:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't care much about a cloud centric OS, no matter how opensourced it might be |
| 02:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | and the FSO guys sweared a lot about webOS IIRC |
| 02:10.20 | Hurrian | Doc -- webos isn't that cloud-centric |
| 02:10.33 | Hurrian | it's as integrated as Maemo 5 is |
| 02:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | when porting SHR |
| 02:10.56 | Hurrian | only that they took a different approach to doing it -- it works like a phone |
| 02:11.08 | Hurrian | cards, for example, instead of M5's window list |
| 02:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, a lot of nonsense |
| 02:12.02 | Hurrian | then the fullscreen list views (see the settings app) compared to m5's windows (see maemo's settings) |
| 02:12.32 | Hurrian | btw doc, apparently the GTA04 is going into mass production |
| 02:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | for whatever metrics of MP |
| 02:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | current batch is about 150 iirc |
| 02:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'm digging thru 20..30 mails of internal devel list every day |
| 02:14.09 | Hurrian | the hardware doesn't suck hard anymore apparently, but it's still missing a hardware keyboard (it has a serial line though) |
| 02:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you want a WLAN powered egg cooker, it actually doesn't suck ;-D |
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| 02:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | currently we're frying the wlan chip for 5m range |
| 02:15.44 | Hurrian | :o |
| 02:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | after 1h it gets critical for the hw |
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| 02:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | minor hw problems :-) |
| 02:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | audio section is an inferior copy of GTA02 ATM |
| 02:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm already holding bets how loud the buzz will be |
| 02:18.10 | Hurrian | holy crap, GTA04 board is 666GBP |
| 02:19.00 | Hurrian | whoops, apparently euros |
| 02:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | SoCs are expensive when not bought in qty |
| 02:19.21 | Hurrian | but still, that's expensive, considering my GTA02 was US$200 |
| 02:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | so is stoarge |
| 02:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | 200US$ was kinda subsidized I'd say |
| 02:20.18 | Hurrian | yeah, it was a second-hand one with a few scuff marks |
| 02:20.50 | Hurrian | i have no idea what to do with it atm, all the OSes for it except debian suck |
| 02:21.55 | Hurrian | might try to use the latest shr sometime |
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| 08:41.39 | MohammadAG | Yay HP |
| 08:46.20 | RST38h | yeah, javispedro should be delighted today |
| 08:51.12 | jonwil | I think webos going open will be of benefit for open mobile OSs in general |
| 08:51.20 | jonwil | Lots of people like the WebOS programming interface |
| 08:52.18 | jonwil | it should also help anyone doing ports of other linux based OSs such as MeeGo to the various WebOS devices |
| 08:54.04 | hiemanshu | with webos going opensource, Tizen will be helped a lot with the HTML5 interface I assume |
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| 09:09.14 | Macer | hello |
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| 09:18.23 | neal | ~. |
| 09:18.23 | infobot | methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. |
| 09:18.55 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Or itll become redundant |
| 09:19.26 | RST38h | there is no tizen |
| 09:20.43 | hiemanshu | RST38h: like there is no spoon? :P |
| 09:20.56 | MohammadAG | WebOS exists, has a hardware line up, is for consumers, and is backed by some sort of company |
| 09:24.22 | Macer | it is? |
| 09:30.28 | Hurrian | i'm calling it: libmojo for Maemo. |
| 09:30.53 | Hurrian | ...to be installed just like you'd install qt |
| 09:32.16 | Hurrian | it's practically the only thing making WebOS different from everything else |
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| 12:29.25 | RST38h | moo ab |
| 12:29.37 | ab | RST38h, meh |
| 12:29.46 | RST38h | ab: freaking shit |
| 12:30.04 | RST38h | ab: are you watching this? |
| 12:30.49 | ab | RST38h, I was watching but we have storms and electricity goes off multiple times |
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| 12:31.08 | RST38h | ab:Oh |
| 12:31.31 | RST38h | ab: ~100 kilobodies, according to the last police estimate |
| 12:32.00 | badcloud_ | doing some research regarding bt kbd. can it only be used for text input? |
| 12:32.15 | RST38h | bad: what else would you like to use it for? |
| 12:32.34 | badcloud_ | loading apps |
| 12:32.48 | RST38h | bad: you are going to type apps source code from it, in binary? |
| 12:32.58 | badcloud_ | no |
| 12:33.03 | RST38h | then? |
| 12:33.22 | badcloud_ | ummm, load browser |
| 12:33.27 | badcloud_ | media player |
| 12:33.40 | badcloud_ | control m. player, etc |
| 12:33.47 | ab | RST38h, according to Petrovka-38.org (GUVD), there were 20K + 5K around |
| 12:34.01 | RST38h | ah, you mean shortcuts for starting apps...no, the builtin software does not allow that |
| 12:34.06 | RST38h | ab: that is kinda dated |
| 12:34.20 | ab | RST38h, 30min ago |
| 12:34.23 | badcloud_ | RST38h: yeah, that's what I meant |
| 12:34.25 | RST38h | ab: was that ~1.5-2 hours ago afaik |
| 12:34.45 | badcloud_ | can all apps be loaded from terminal? |
| 12:34.50 | RST38h | yes |
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| 12:35.27 | ab | RST38h, http://friendfeed.com/kukutz/2922a9fe/1012ekb |
| 12:35.30 | RST38h | ab: the police will also lower estimates, while particpants will raise them, so most news outlets I have seen tend to take the average |
| 12:35.45 | RST38h | ab yooooo |
| 12:35.49 | badcloud_ | hmmm, in that case, term + screen + bt kbd may nolt be so bad |
| 12:35.55 | ab | RST38h, I think there is around 40K, not really more than that |
| 12:36.41 | RST38h | ab: apparently more |
| 12:36.49 | RST38h | ab: 40k is just the square |
| 12:37.25 | badcloud_ | s/nolt/not |
| 12:38.41 | RST38h | ab: the real fun will start a bit later today when all these people will either go home or...well... continue |
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| 12:39.30 | ab | RST38h, I guess they will not enjoy captures |
| 12:39.46 | RST38h | ab: I am not sure police will enjoy doing that either |
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| 12:40.35 | RST38h | ab: Becomes kinda unpopular in the streets, plus they appear to be motivated to avoid arrests tonight |
| 12:40.37 | ab | hey, did this channel's folks already discussed a break through of our former collegues on WebOS liberation? |
| 12:41.05 | RST38h | ab: you mean it was due to Maemo folks at HP? =) |
| 12:41.27 | RST38h | ab: Was discussed here, I am sure javispedro is drinking champaigne somewhere as we speak |
| 12:41.43 | RST38h | ab: In spite of his N950 dying. |
| 12:41.51 | ab | RST38h, given that Ari, Jannick, and Leonid are still senior management of the Web OS engineering, they need to be congratulated, for sure :) |
| 12:42.19 | RST38h | ab: Let us see it all through first, to the point where they release the sources |
| 12:42.26 | ab | sure |
| 12:42.59 | RST38h | ab: If it is true, then Tizen folks will appear to get another, final egg into their collective face |
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| 12:44.16 | r00t|home | do you have anything on whatever you are discussing that is in english? |
| 12:44.39 | RST38h | r00t: I can probably locate something, why? |
| 12:45.04 | r00t|home | i guess this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16122524 |
| 12:45.09 | ab | r00t|home, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16122524 |
| 12:45.10 | r00t|home | was just wondering |
| 12:45.13 | ab | yes |
| 12:46.26 | RST38h | r00t: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/index.php |
| 12:47.46 | RST38h | Heh, Android has no slider preference items |
| 12:49.20 | ab | RST38h, let's see what license HP will choose for their own UI parts |
| 12:50.08 | ab | but the fact that at least three mobile platforms will use ECMAScript one way or another is for sure ;) |
| 12:50.28 | RST38h | ab: I do not see this as progress |
| 12:50.51 | RST38h | ab:Given how hard JS sucks and how difficult it is to fix it, because of its semantics |
| 12:50.59 | ab | RST38h, oh, that's not a progress but, again, a blow to some guys at T. |
| 12:51.31 | RST38h | ab: In fact, I start suspecting that this whole QWidget->QML move has spelled death for Qt |
| 12:52.02 | ab | RST38h, I'm not going to reveal my witnessing of that ;) |
| 12:58.06 | RST38h | ab: they freed up Luzhkov bridge, as it was going to collapse. no, I stand by "freaking shit" assertion |
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| 16:38.57 | badcloud_ | for some reason my n900 starts up with bt on. anyway to change that? |
| 16:40.02 | badcloud_ | it was off in bt settings prior to poweroff/on |
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| 16:41.19 | fw190 | merlin1991 pointed me here ;) |
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| 16:41.30 | merlin1991 | and you found it :D |
| 16:41.38 | fw190 | are there any chances fo quick uboot release for kp? |
| 16:42.03 | fw190 | ha I even know how to join a chanel;) this is something for a no irc user like me ;p |
| 16:42.22 | badcloud_ | merlin1991: what? |
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| 17:09.48 | shanttu | hi. my n900 has had a few huge battery drains on past week. Any ideas what could be causing it? I haven't noticed any related posts on cssu-thread, but i don't what else to blame. http://i.imgur.com/zwXfI.png |
| 17:10.33 | shanttu | one time i noticed that hildon-home was eating all cpu. cannot say what made it do so but it just kept going |
| 17:12.12 | kerio | omnomnom |
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| 18:09.32 | javispedro | hrmpf |
| 18:09.33 | javispedro | http://pastebin.com/AGE9cwGP |
| 18:09.51 | javispedro | MohammadAG: did you use QtMob1.2's Connectivity in Fremantle? |
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| 19:22.47 | merlin1991 | is there a way to query dpkg for packages that depend on a specific package? |
| 19:23.05 | StyXman | merlin1991: I think only recent versions |
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| 19:24.21 | StyXman | there's apt-cahche rdepends |
| 19:24.27 | StyXman | apt-cache* |
| 19:25.12 | merlin1991 | thanks |
| 19:25.15 | StyXman | thak works in maemo 5 PR1.3 |
| 19:26.18 | StyXman | I'm trying to trimm down my installation, what use is the rtcom-accounts-ui ? |
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| 19:35.46 | NIN102 | something you wanna keep for sure :-) |
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| 19:43.30 | StyXman | NIN102: reason being? |
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| 19:44.25 | StyXman | I find it funny that there are strict dependencies on i10n packages |
| 19:44.52 | StyXman | bah, "funny", I can't uninstall those I don't need |
| 19:48.14 | NIN102 | it isn't actually a good idea to kill anything of rtcom*, as this stuff is essential for some functions of maemo. |
| 19:49.37 | StyXman | the question is: of which parts of maemo? maybe I can live without them |
| 19:49.52 | StyXman | for instance, I just deinstalled gnuchess |
| 19:50.05 | StyXman | of course, is not the same level of importance |
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| 20:16.08 | merlin1991 | can't find the package that is reposible for the ovi store .desktop file |
| 20:16.36 | StyXman | merlin1991: dpkg -S |
| 20:18.04 | merlin1991 | thanks again StyXman, btw you can get rid of all the i10n stuff and other things |
| 20:19.39 | StyXman | merlin1991: how? every time I use apt-get remove, it tries to take something that I can't decide if it's important or not |
| 20:20.29 | merlin1991 | true you can't remove i10n if you want to keep the app that belongs to it |
| 20:21.14 | StyXman | but? is there a but? |
| 20:21.27 | merlin1991 | cheat the system :D |
| 20:21.35 | StyXman | :) |
| 20:21.54 | StyXman | well, if instead of Depends it would use Recommends... |
| 20:22.17 | StyXman | is there Recommends support in maemo's dpkg? |
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| 20:23.25 | merlin1991 | dunno |
| 20:23.40 | merlin1991 | but by cheat the system I mean you can always mess around in /var/lib/dpkg :D |
| 20:24.27 | StyXman | yeah, or plain simple rm |
| 20:24.51 | StyXman | or maybe better, change the size of /'s partition :) |
| 20:25.29 | merlin1991 | sure, shrink it while it's mounted |
| 20:25.46 | StyXman | not shrink, but yes, I know I really can't |
| 20:26.09 | merlin1991 | though I've heard that installing nitroid make a pretty good mess too ;) |
| 20:26.38 | StyXman | well, I can always but a µSD, put debian on it and play around... |
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| 20:30.58 | StyXman | merlin1991: all the CSSU packages are in gitorious? |
| 20:31.56 | merlin1991 | yep all of them |
| 20:32.10 | merlin1991 | also all the cssu packges have sources in the repo |
| 20:32.34 | Trcx_ | What's the best way to sync the n900 with linux? |
| 20:32.53 | Trcx_ | Media Files and stuff like that I guess |
| 20:33.42 | merlin1991 | ssh? |
| 20:33.48 | SpeedEvil | rsync |
| 20:34.39 | Trcx_ | How well will those integrate with the media player? Does there need to be a specific folder structure? |
| 20:35.01 | Trcx_ | I don't have any media on there atm to take apart |
| 20:35.19 | Trcx_ | and i'm too lazy to make a windows vm, rofl |
| 20:36.12 | StyXman | Trcx_: what exactly you want to do? sync what? |
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| 20:36.43 | Trcx_ | I just want to get my music library on there and integrated with the media player |
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| 20:38.20 | StyXman | Trcx_: wekk, just plug your device via USB, tell it to show the usb storage, mount it ir your machine and copy files over |
| 20:38.36 | StyXman | there is no folder structure |
| 20:38.50 | StyXman | the media player later will scan the whole eMMC |
| 20:38.58 | Trcx_ | Lol, thanks. I feel stupid now |
| 20:39.04 | StyXman | Trcx_: shit happens :) |
| 20:39.25 | StyXman | in fact took me a while to find how to properly do it |
| 20:39.50 | StyXman | for instance, while the eMMC is shown as a usb storage the media player can't acess it |
| 20:40.02 | Trcx_ | I'm in the process of switching over to a completely linux environment, coming from an apple/iOS one |
| 20:40.11 | StyXman | heeh |
| 20:40.14 | StyXman | welcome :) |
| 20:40.21 | Trcx_ | brb |
| 20:42.49 | Trcx_ | back |
| 20:43.57 | Trcx_ | Ya, it's virtually impossible to add music to an ipod. You have to create all kinds of weird folders, and register it in multiple plist(xml) files |
| 20:44.03 | Trcx_ | thanks StyXman :) |
| 20:44.43 | StyXman | Trcx_: and then you can use rsync to keep them in sync |
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| 20:49.45 | Jartza | http://gizmodo.com/5866646/motorola-wins-europe+wide-sales-ban-against-ios-devices |
| 20:49.50 | Jartza | :) |
| 20:51.27 | StyXman | that's utterly crazy |
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| 20:52.47 | merlin1991 | lulz |
| 20:53.06 | merlin1991 | patents in the current system are pure crap |
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| 23:42.42 | StyXman | I can't access http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002/ with a browser? |
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| 23:43.56 | psycho_oreos | I don't think anyone can without knowing how to work it properly, and why would you want to access it anyway? |
| 23:46.07 | NIN102 | I heard(so it may be BS) that the apt on maemo is modified, it sends some stuff to that server so it can access it. Needless to say this isn't very secure. |
| 23:49.10 | merlin1991 | needless to say you can just check out the apt package source and send the same headers from you pc |
| 23:49.32 | NIN102 | exactly, needless to say... :P |
| 23:49.55 | merlin1991 | I am a n900, no you're a bruwser, But I am a n900, ah I see you have an n900 header here you go have your package |
| 23:49.56 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:50.07 | psycho_oreos | even with all those said and then, its still not possible to simply just `browse' the repository at any rate from downloads.maemo.nokia.com |
| 23:50.20 | merlin1991 | nope not possible |
| 23:50.30 | psycho_oreos | s/then/done/ |
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| 23:55.13 | StyXman | nice |
| 23:55.37 | StyXman | so basically no way to make a mirror via http, for instance |
| 23:56.09 | psycho_oreos | "<merlin1991> I am a n900,(truncated)" <--- lol reminds me of that N900 video.. project: maemo |
| 23:56.44 | psycho_oreos | no you can, pali and I figured it out.. though pali did more job :D |
| 23:56.50 | NIN102 | /var/lib/apt/lists, there you can find what is inside, find out what apt sends, make a download script and download everything ; done. |
| 23:57.06 | psycho_oreos | a hacked apt-mirror would've probably worked better |
