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| 02:43.53 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 || CSSU-Stable IS OUT: get it via links in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 *now*! |
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| 02:51.24 | luke-jr | merlin1991: you tell me\ |
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| 03:01.52 | LaoLang_cool | hm, I'm meeting the issue "internal error, application 'e-mail' closed" |
| 03:02.28 | LaoLang_cool | It's here even I reflash emms and rom of n900 |
| 03:02.40 | LaoLang_cool | I have no any clue |
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| 06:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 08:16.43 | eichi | okay. key aboth reacts. seems that the wm is crashed |
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| 12:16.08 | jonwil | ~seen mohammadag |
| 12:16.15 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'The latter is the same on iOs but you can create and edit playlists'. |
| 12:17.46 | tramp | what's up jonwil |
| 12:18.28 | jonwil | not much |
| 12:19.00 | tramp | What is your current project for maemo? |
| 12:19.04 | jonwil | I think operator-name-cbs-widget is as done as it can get at this point, the next step is inclusion in cssu-t |
| 12:19.57 | jonwil | icd-wlan-priority is still ongoing but I just cant seem to come up with a design for it that makes sense |
| 12:19.58 | tramp | Goodie |
| 12:20.16 | jonwil | especially a UI design for the control panel widget icd-wlan-priority is going to require |
| 12:20.20 | tramp | What does it do? |
| 12:20.38 | jonwil | the intent is to let you assign priorities to different wireless networks |
| 12:20.40 | tramp | beyond the obvoius |
| 12:20.44 | jonwil | and the phone will connect to the one with the higher priority |
| 12:21.06 | tramp | interesting, you've run into that problem? |
| 12:21.53 | tramp | I'm rarely in an area where two of my networks overlap |
| 12:22.17 | jonwil | no I haven't had that problem but others have and want the feature |
| 12:22.44 | jonwil | my virtualkeyboard work is also not going anywhere for various reasons |
| 12:23.06 | tramp | :/ |
| 12:23.54 | tramp | i mean, what are you doing with the vkbd? |
| 12:24.31 | jonwil | mostly trying to clone some bits of it to make messing with it easier |
| 12:24.46 | jonwil | I already came up with a nice set of stuff to edit the keyboard layout files :) |
| 12:25.16 | tramp | where is my maemo package idea list... |
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| 12:25.39 | tramp | a keyboard layout frontend? |
| 12:25.51 | tramp | keyboard remapper, rather |
| 12:26.25 | tramp | that's neat |
| 12:26.36 | tramp | and a good idea |
| 12:27.08 | jonwil | Basically it lets you edit the virtual keyboard layout files |
| 12:27.28 | jonwil | Its not a GUI tool, it just lets you convert a keyboard layout file to XML |
| 12:27.34 | jonwil | and from XML back to a layout file |
| 12:27.36 | tramp | oh it's just for the vkbd? i thought it was for the physical kbd |
| 12:27.42 | jonwil | yes vkbd |
| 12:27.47 | jonwil | physical keyboard is set by other files |
| 12:27.50 | jonwil | that you can already edit |
| 12:28.13 | tramp | yes, by hand, i thought you made a FE |
| 12:28.20 | jonwil | nope |
| 12:28.32 | jonwil | GUI programming is not my strong suit |
| 12:28.40 | jonwil | at least not GTK |
| 12:28.53 | jonwil | and Hildon |
| 12:28.56 | jonwil | and etc |
| 12:29.02 | tramp | i almost never use the onscreen keyboard. I just map the phys keyboard to handle all common chars |
| 12:30.08 | tramp | that's ok, who needs a gui when you have a perfectly good terminal |
| 12:30.09 | tramp | ;) |
| 12:31.06 | tramp | would you like to see my maemo package todo list? |
| 12:31.22 | jonwil | yeah :) |
| 12:31.42 | jonwil | The main problem I have is being inspired to work on things |
| 12:31.42 | tramp | i better explain them actually.. |
| 12:32.03 | tramp | a core optifier |
| 12:32.52 | tramp | it optifies the core applications on the phone, so you don't have to play with the sketchy optify script everytime you flash |
| 12:33.20 | jonwil | interesting |
| 12:33.21 | tramp | i thought of it when i ran out of root space |
| 12:33.22 | jonwil | what else? |
| 12:33.46 | tramp | something to fix the paths of programs, forexample... |
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| 12:34.33 | tramp | the locate program wont work until you install gnufindutils and move /usr/bin/gfind to /usr/bin/find |
| 12:34.49 | tramp | there are similar problems with other programs too |
| 12:35.10 | tramp | they require switches only the gnu versions provide |
| 12:35.36 | tramp | and some expect them to be in /usr/bin |
| 12:36.00 | jonwil | ok, and what else? |
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| 12:36.52 | tramp | a notify-send equivalent, to control notifications from the terminal or scripts, and then... |
| 12:37.18 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 12:37.29 | tramp | an irssi notifier plugin (very easy, i already made it. it just needs to be packaged after someone does the following...) |
| 12:37.59 | tramp | rebuild irssi with perl-support and repackage |
| 12:38.25 | tramp | the rest are just repackages |
| 12:38.40 | tramp | of debian applications |
| 12:39.13 | tramp | e.g. fio, KeePass2 |
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| 12:41.02 | tramp | i've already built fio, and irssi (--with-perl) for maemo before, i just haven't packaged them yet |
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| 12:41.27 | tramp | and KeePass2 |
| 12:41.40 | tramp | What do you think? |
| 12:42.59 | jonwil | interesting |
| 12:43.02 | jonwil | :P] |
| 12:45.51 | tramp | you can be honest |
| 12:46.29 | tramp | I'm not interesting in making anything unnecessary |
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| 12:48.15 | tramp | jonwil: You're also, of course, free to do them for me ^^ |
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| 12:48.27 | jonwil | not interesting any of those myself |
| 12:48.49 | tramp | I'm surprised no one else has had problems with those |
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| 12:49.41 | tramp | that is, the program path problem |
| 12:50.06 | tramp | and irssi, being the lightest, most useable irc client on the phone |
| 12:50.27 | Sicelo | likes irssi on N900 :) |
| 12:51.13 | tramp | Sicelo: What do you think about it notifying you when someone says your name? |
| 12:52.13 | tramp | lol, like just then |
| 12:52.21 | Sicelo | well, mostly i use it remotely, via ssh, but i have it installed on N900 too. so, such a feature would be very welcome :) |
| 12:53.18 | tramp | right, you can't get notifications when over ssh :/ |
| 12:56.17 | tramp | jonwil said: "Interesting, I'm not interested." |
| 12:57.49 | Sicelo | tramp: not sure i get u.. i'd like that irssi |
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| 12:58.57 | tramp | Sicelo: I said you can't get notifications when you use irssi over ssh. |
| 12:59.20 | tramp | Sicelo: I'll make it though, thanks for letting me know |
| 12:59.27 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 13:00.18 | tramp | What about the path problem, is that not a problem for anyone? |
| 13:01.22 | jonwil | just cant get inspired to work on things |
| 13:01.35 | jonwil | mostly because no-one seems to care about the stuff I do |
| 13:01.46 | jonwil | and because I cant seem to make any useful progress... |
| 13:01.58 | tramp | It really became a problem when I tried to develop packages directly from the phone. I had enough errors to work through to track some of them back to a problem of unusual paths. |
| 13:02.43 | tramp | well, then...just do something people care about X_X |
| 13:03.50 | freemangordon | vkb for example :p |
| 13:04.07 | SpeedEvil | Bouncing boobies! |
| 13:04.10 | tramp | if people care about it, then dont fret, jonwil |
| 13:04.20 | Corsac | boobs! |
| 13:04.40 | jonwil | problem with vkb stuff is that I cant seem to make any progress on it |
| 13:05.00 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: I find the CBS work interesting. I admit, I'd find it more interesting if my provider did anything with CBS. |
| 13:05.02 | jonwil | vkb code is too complex (like many parts of the N900) |
| 13:05.17 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 13:05.23 | tramp | i just told you my method or workaround, and only to save you time if everyone adopts my method instead |
| 13:08.36 | jonwil | more to the point, I gotta stop procrastinating and get all the things I need to do this week done so I am ready to go on holidays next week |
| 13:09.07 | tramp | how long have you been programming? |
| 13:09.42 | tramp | ignore that question |
| 13:12.29 | jonwil | The best part about my holiday is that I will pass through even more cell towers and get more logs |
| 13:12.42 | tramp | logs for what |
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| 13:13.17 | jonwil | logs of the towers I pass through |
| 13:13.23 | jonwil | from my cbs widget |
| 13:13.47 | tramp | for what, wifi geo location |
| 13:14.09 | jonwil | no, just for interest |
| 13:14.18 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:14.28 | tramp | :) |
| 13:16.22 | tramp | *rolls eyes* |
| 13:17.25 | RST38h | wonders if anyone will be geeky enough to buy jonwil a little programmable cell tower for Christmas |
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| 13:17.36 | RST38h | hand-sized |
| 13:19.15 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 13:19.25 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:19.29 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 2h 51m 52s, last said: 'But will be fixed more permanently in a future version :)'. |
| 13:22.36 | tramp | seriously, though, what do you need a virtual keyboard for, when you can remap the physical one with every key you need? |
| 13:23.29 | SpeedEvil | The virtual one is more damp-proof |
| 13:23.34 | SpeedEvil | Amongst other things |
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| 13:24.46 | tramp | damp-proof? |
| 13:24.53 | tramp | explain |
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| 13:28.07 | jonwil | I dont need a tower, what I REALLY want for Xmas is source code for connui*, icd* and hildon-input-method-* |
| 13:28.26 | jonwil | That and an apartment that doesn't feel like a furnace when the temperature goes up |
| 13:28.30 | jonwil | :P |
| 13:29.30 | SpeedEvil | looks at the thermometer in single digits inside. |
| 13:30.37 | hiemanshu | looks at the perfect weather outside |
| 13:30.58 | RST38h | at the furnace, throws a few more X11 manuals |
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| 13:32.44 | neal | If anyone has a few minutes, I'd appreciate testing of my packages: |
| 13:32.57 | neal | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/murmeltier/0.4~20111203 |
| 13:33.07 | neal | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~20111203 |
| 13:33.32 | SpeedEvil | When I get back from the post box, posting randoms books and stuff. |
| 13:33.41 | neal | thanks! |
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| 14:35.00 | jonwil | doubts he will ever have source code for icd2, libicd-network-wlan, hildon-input-method-widgets, hildon-input-method-plugins, libimlayouts, connui-cellular or connui-common :( |
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| 14:54.20 | jonwil | 'in the relm of things that are at least theoretically possible to obtain, I still wish I could get hold of hexrays for ARM, it would be so useful for all sorts of things IMO :P |
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| 15:09.07 | tramp | Hexrays should be able to decompile ARM instructions. It's built on IDA, and I know IDA decompiles ARM. |
| 15:10.51 | jacekowski | hexrays is not builtin into ida |
| 15:11.23 | tramp | *glare* |
| 15:11.34 | jacekowski | it's just a plugin |
| 15:11.37 | jacekowski | expensive plugin |
| 15:12.10 | tramp | I did not say it was built into IDA. |
| 15:12.34 | jacekowski | and there are two separate plugins one for x86 and one for arm |
| 15:14.01 | tramp | Are you supporting my theory, or disagreeing with it mysteriously. |
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| 15:26.09 | freemangordon | jonwil, isn't IDA with AMR hexrays available somehow (torrents, emule,...)? |
| 15:26.14 | freemangordon | *ARN |
| 15:26.17 | freemangordon | ARM* |
| 15:26.20 | freemangordon | damn |
| 15:26.26 | jonwil | if it was, I would have found it by now |
| 15:27.00 | jonwil | x86 yes, ARM now |
| 15:27.02 | jonwil | no |
| 15:27.24 | freemangordon | hmm, I will check local torrents this evening |
| 15:28.10 | freemangordon | who knows, having in mind our local hackers :D |
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| 15:43.52 | jacekowski | freemangordon: nope, they don't sell it |
| 15:44.01 | jacekowski | freemangordon: not yet at least |
| 15:46.31 | freemangordon | There are several IDA versions on thepiratebay.org, have no idea about sells :D |
| 15:47.12 | freemangordon | will check later if those contain hexrays for arm |
| 15:48.10 | jonwil | they dont |
| 15:48.19 | jonwil | unless its one I havent seen before but I doubt that |
| 15:49.24 | freemangordon | The latest is from august this year. Anyway, I will try to find it in emule |
| 15:50.22 | jonwil | good luck finding it |
| 15:50.42 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 15:50.52 | jonwil | I know places where guru level hackers hang out and even they dont know of a leak |
| 15:51.40 | jonwil | The main use for it in the N900 case would be to understand function flow |
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| 16:53.53 | fosstux | Hi! I've tried several methods to reflash my n900 - in ubuntu it says flasher-3.5 command not found, from the gentoo live cd it cannot load libusb.so.0. In fedora I get device or class busy. |
| 16:54.02 | fosstux | I simply can't reflash my n900 |
| 16:54.41 | fosstux | That's why I have the following question: Is itz possible to increase the vfat partition in size? |
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| 17:35.05 | fredddd | I am facing a little problem with my contact and calendar synchronisation. |
| 17:35.24 | fredddd | I have set sync.expressionate.org to CNAME to m.google.com, which it does just fine, and pinging it from my N900 detects this. |
| 17:35.43 | fredddd | When setting sync.expressionate.org as Exchange server in address, it spews out invalid exchange address, while m.google.com works. |
| 17:36.11 | fredddd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72558&page=2 seems to be a still active thread about it. |
| 17:36.15 | fredddd | Is there anything I can do? |
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| 17:57.40 | jonne | anyone know what the proper way is to make ssh start on boot? |
| 17:58.01 | jonne | i tried googling it but all the results seem to be about making sure it doesn't start on boot |
| 17:59.54 | luke-jr | jonne: it does by default |
| 18:00.27 | jonne | yeah, but i either disabled it and forgot how, or something isn't working right |
| 18:00.42 | jonne | checking the init script now |
| 18:01.04 | jonne | /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run doesn't exist, so that's not it |
| 18:02.24 | jonne | does ssh status applet interfere with the init script? |
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| 18:07.09 | jonne | yeah, that appears to be the culprint :/ |
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| 19:19.01 | fosstux | How can I enable syncing of calendars and contacts with google? |
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| 19:23.30 | Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google |
| 19:23.39 | Sicelo | dunno how well that works though |
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| 19:49.41 | fosstux | How usable is meego or tizen on the n900? |
| 19:51.49 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 19:52.57 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 19:53.07 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 9h 25m 30s, last said: 'But will be fixed more permanently in a future version :)'. |
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| 20:19.10 | jave | hello |
| 20:19.14 | andre__ | hi. |
| 20:19.36 | jave | I managed to reflash my n900. thanks all for the help/ |
| 20:21.06 | Sicelo | ~seen merlin1991 |
| 20:21.11 | infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo (1h 44m 8s) #n9 (1h 44m 8s) #debian (1h 44m 8s) #harmattan (1h 44m 8s), last said: 'in my /etc there is also group-, passwd-, shadow-, gshadow- what's up with those files?'. |
| 20:21.33 | merlin1991 | ofc infobot is on #debian too |
| 20:21.39 | merlin1991 | and logs me asking newb questions :D |
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| 20:23.42 | Sicelo | :D |
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| 20:28.14 | infobot | arcean <~Arcean@aadb225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 2d 8h 47m 48s ago, saying: '~malf'. |
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| 21:48.57 | vi__ | so are there any bored c haxors who want to look throughmsome code with me? |
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| 22:03.08 | Macer | hm |
| 22:03.22 | Macer | i wonder if super street fighter iv will run in wine :) |
| 22:03.30 | Macer | wine has gotten pretty good |
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