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| 00:07.01 | uros1 | Hi all? is there anz way to install fennec nightly on n900? |
| 00:07.53 | psycho_oreos | yes, a couple of ways |
| 00:08.54 | uros1 | Mozilla repository? Cant find anzy working... |
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| 00:09.25 | psycho_oreos | Have you actually added the repository and refreshed/updated it? |
| 00:10.30 | uros1 | Yes. After update no gpg key |
| 00:10.47 | psycho_oreos | don't worry about no GPG key |
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| 00:11.22 | uros1 | Ok then apt-get install nigthly ? |
| 00:11.29 | LaoLang_cool | When enable mass storage mode, there will be two patition mounted on pc, can I configure it so only one of patition that I want to be mounted? |
| 00:11.59 | LaoLang_cool | one patition is the internal Mydoc/, another is my mini sd card inside of N900 |
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| 00:13.02 | psycho_oreos | first search to see if the package name actually exists as nightly |
| 00:13.38 | psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, which OS is it on the PC? |
| 00:14.11 | LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: windows |
| 00:14.26 | psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, hmm nfi |
| 00:14.34 | LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: nfi? |
| 00:14.39 | psycho_oreos | ~nfi |
| 00:14.39 | infobot | somebody said nfi was No Fucking Idea |
| 00:14.54 | Macer | ~nfc |
| 00:14.54 | infobot | well, nfc is No Fucking Clue |
| 00:14.58 | psycho_oreos | ~botsnack |
| 00:14.58 | infobot | psycho_oreos: :) |
| 00:15.00 | LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: hmm! |
| 00:15.08 | Macer | nice |
| 00:15.09 | psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool, I don't use windows |
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| 00:15.36 | psycho_oreos | there probably is a way with some program or something but I wouldn't know |
| 00:16.01 | LaoLang_cool | psycho_oreos: thank you all the same! |
| 00:16.12 | psycho_oreos | infobot, nfc is also near field communications |
| 00:16.12 | infobot | psycho_oreos: okay |
| 00:16.18 | psycho_oreos | ~nfc |
| 00:16.18 | infobot | methinks nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 00:17.15 | psycho_oreos | I so love this infobot, compared to other bots I can teach this bot so easily |
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| 00:24.43 | uros1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.00 | psycho_oreos | manually installing it through their repository (not the apt repository) |
| 00:26.08 | psycho_oreos | there's a tmo thread on it |
| 00:28.56 | uros1 | Tnx too late here for experiment tomorrow. Tnx anyway |
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| 00:46.13 | mikki-kun | does someone know why the chat messages sent via skype are sometimes taking up to load +10 secs? is it maybe due to too many messages overall? |
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| 01:00.56 | merlin1991 | anybody in here using an sd card as extension on maemo? |
| 01:01.11 | merlin1991 | I've created 1 partation on the whole thing and formatted it as vfat |
| 01:01.21 | merlin1991 | maemo still claims memory card format not supported |
| 01:04.39 | ShadowJK | partition type? |
| 01:05.44 | merlin1991 | I just noticed |
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| 01:05.47 | merlin1991 | it's 83 |
| 01:05.48 | merlin1991 | FFS |
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| 01:06.50 | Macer | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-856856-start-0.html |
| 01:06.55 | Macer | that reminds me of luke-jr |
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| 01:09.18 | merlin1991 | now it's time to try the current nemo |
| 01:09.50 | merlin1991 | ShadowJK: thanks for the hint, it was the problem |
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| 08:13.43 | trumee | In KP48 my N900 reboots if usb networking is heavily used. I thought that bug was fixed long time ago. |
| 08:14.46 | trumee | Another gripe with KP is that bluetooth headset Nokia BH-214 doesnt work properly |
| 08:15.53 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, you are still on old kp version? |
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| 10:24.51 | Macer | :) |
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| 10:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 10:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks' ?-key is defect!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:58.52 | Macer | ?-key? |
| 10:58.59 | Macer | his question mark? :) |
| 10:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 10:59.30 | Macer | well.. there is always the option of copying and pasting it heh |
| 10:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | like this ng??? |
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| 11:00.29 | dm8tbr | fwaps around presently active people with large and heavy punctuation marks |
| 11:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-03 03:09:59] <godtrunks> How i see if my slide sensor is working??? |
| 11:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-03 03:10:37] <godtrunks> What command line i use??? |
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| 11:02.22 | Macer | fitpc is amd fuion? |
| 11:02.37 | Macer | kind thought they were using arms |
| 11:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | frubl is mmmbl glaap |
| 11:02.52 | Macer | are you drunk? |
| 11:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | are you? |
| 11:03.45 | dm8tbr | his first days as corporate slave already made him an alcoholic *gasp* |
| 11:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell fitpc |
| 11:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict amd |
| 11:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | ahaaa |
| 11:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell fuion |
| 11:07.13 | ZogG_laptop | morning doc |
| 11:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | morning ZogG_laptop |
| 11:07.28 | aholler_ | ~dict cloud |
| 11:08.00 | RST38h | ~dict morsel |
| 11:10.50 | Macer | ~dict smegma |
| 11:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: I got a ClearCase crash course lesson mental defect |
| 11:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | while ClearCase is the only tool they are using that I at least heard about, rest is proprietary |
| 11:13.04 | aholler_ | clearcase is fine ;) |
| 11:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | figure somebody explains you in 2h how linux kernel works and how it's build under ClearCase |
| 11:14.01 | aholler_ | you can use clearcase always as excuse ;) |
| 11:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I guess CC is fine, just the source managed in it is way too mighty and with **weird** naming rules |
| 11:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | but ClearCase is not exactly what we got there, there's a proprietary wrapper around it, so you can *somehow* cope with this naming |
| 11:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | oh well, git versions are worse |
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| 11:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | Air Moving Device? |
| 11:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | aka fan? |
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| 11:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | sounds much like IBM slang, I guess |
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| 11:26.49 | dm8tbr | ah a nice new variation of one of my sayings just happened: digestion product encountered air moving device |
| 11:27.06 | dm8tbr | also possible s/product/result/ |
| 11:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | ... and eventually learned that it the failure was in the cooling system: an AMD is an "air movement device", IBM for "fan". ... |
| 11:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | hail google |
| 11:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: result! DRAMD has potential, DPAMD not so much |
| 11:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | DRHAMD actually |
| 11:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | or DREAMD |
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| 11:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~DREAMD is Digestion Result Encountered Air Moving Device |
| 11:32.34 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 11:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | another meme created |
| 11:38.45 | RST38h | Doc: So, is it eating a fan, or being eaten by one? |
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| 12:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | depends on your PoV, as it depends on luck whether or not I notice "Doc:" as an addr to me |
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| 12:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | other ambiguous TLA (three letter abbreviations) you shouldn't use; che: cho: cor: jev: ... |
| 12:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | jon: |
| 12:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | lar: |
| 12:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | mas: |
| 12:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you put your irc client's tab to purpose for nick completion |
| 12:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | "doc<tab>" instead of "doc:" might yield way better results |
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| 14:03.29 | Tofe | Hi there ! |
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| 14:04.51 | Tofe | Is there anyone here using Archlinux, Qt, and that developps for N900 ? The packages are quite not very explicit on what I should use/install to get a QtCreator up and running... |
| 14:12.32 | Venemo | Tofe, http://qt.nokia.com/downloads -> download the Qt SDK for your architecture, select custom install and place a checkmark to the Maemo toolchain |
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| 14:38.13 | Tofe | Venemo: Does the Harmattan option in the SDK installer also include Freemantle, or is it useless for N900 development ? |
| 14:38.35 | Venemo | Tofe, Harmattan is not Fremantle |
| 14:39.12 | Venemo | Tofe, you will need the "Maemo toolchain" to develop for Fremantle. Of course if you run Harmattan on your N900, then the Harmattan toolchain is good too |
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| 14:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | rumour has it harmattan toolchain messes up fremantle toolchan when installing them on same scratchbox |
| 14:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | see modest thumb issue of CSSU |
| 14:41.18 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, maybe, but Tofe and I aren't talking about Scratchbox |
| 14:41.41 | Tofe | Venemo: Thanks ! I'll disable the Harmattan development for now, I didn't install (yet :) ) Meego CE on my N900 |
| 14:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | ok, never mind then |
| 14:42.15 | Venemo | Tofe, I don't think the Harmattan toolchain would be of any use on MeeGo CE |
| 14:42.59 | Tofe | Oh. But, I would have thought there was some kind of compatibility between the two of them |
| 14:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | HARM Ain't Real Meego |
| 14:43.22 | Venemo | Tofe, yes, they are (for the most part) even binary compatible |
| 14:44.08 | Tofe | But then, how would I develop with Qt for Meego CE, if I try in the future ? It's just not possible right now ? |
| 14:44.58 | Tofe | (I'll have to read some docs, at least :p ) |
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| 14:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: anyway make sure your whatever-SDK doesn't suddenly build fremantle binaries for thumb |
| 14:51.48 | Venemo | or hardfp |
| 14:51.50 | Venemo | :P |
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| 14:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | that however usually doesn't matter, for programs that don't use any var real |
| 14:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | at least a lot of N900 cmdline progs run fine on HARM |
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| 14:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | thumb however will explode into your face at arbitrary point in time |
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| 14:57.57 | Venemo | yeah, hardfp only matters when your code uses functions from libs which use floats. |
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| 15:34.27 | jonwil | seen mohammadag |
| 15:35.04 | jonwil | ~seen mohammadag |
| 15:35.10 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (4d 21h 16m 57s) #harmattan (4d 21h 16m 57s) #meego (4d 21h 16m 57s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 2d 22h 23m 43s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'. |
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| 15:39.38 | happymonkey | hello I have an incomplete install of CSSU as I was attempting to remove an application I was sure the name of. Is there someway to reinstall CSSU? |
| 15:39.55 | happymonkey | s/was/&n't/ |
| 15:40.13 | happymonkey | owell almost clever |
| 15:40.37 | happymonkey | not exactly a sed actualizer |
| 15:41.00 | happymonkey | hello test |
| 15:41.10 | Sicelo | heh |
| 15:41.24 | happymonkey | s/\(test\)/\1\1 |
| 15:41.33 | happymonkey | lol |
| 15:42.04 | happymonkey | wouldn't mind a full sed -e implementation, that would be neat |
| 15:42.08 | ShadowJK | I guess there must be a metapackage for cssu, check what it depends on and if any of that is missing, or indeed, if that metapackage is missing |
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| 15:42.13 | Sicelo | your N900 is still working? |
| 15:42.23 | ShadowJK | both mine are |
| 15:42.43 | RST38h | ShadowJK <-- the resourceful one |
| 15:42.57 | RST38h | Got himself two, knowing there ain'tany coming! |
| 15:43.10 | ShadowJK | They're actually number 2 and 3, number 1 died |
| 15:43.41 | happymonkey | ShadowJK: yes n900 is working, ah yes I see community-ssu-enabler |
| 15:43.44 | RST38h | hopes his does not die for a while longer |
| 15:44.07 | ShadowJK | Yeah doesn't look like there's any sort of replacement device from any manufacturer coming for a loooooooooong time |
| 15:44.20 | RST38h | ShadowJK: handled Galaxy Note in a store a few days ago |
| 15:44.49 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Got the right screen, but absolutely no "special" factor. Felt pretty much like choosing a new fridge for the house. |
| 15:45.19 | RST38h | ShadowJK: In fact, other than size, the thing is no different from a dozen other Android devices on display =( |
| 15:45.22 | happymonkey | RST38h: ya the price tag in America is rough ~$700 |
| 15:45.32 | happymonkey | RST38h: the stylus |
| 15:45.41 | happymonkey | RST38h: it's the right size for me |
| 15:45.48 | RST38h | happymonkey: it is RUR34000 here ($1114) |
| 15:46.05 | RST38h | Did not get a chance to use the stylus. |
| 15:46.32 | RST38h | But, again, did not feel like anything at all. |
| 15:46.36 | happymonkey | RST38h: I've heard, because there is no physical store in America that actually sells it, that the stylus is great |
| 15:46.46 | happymonkey | RST38h: Android is a big turn off |
| 15:46.57 | RST38h | Pretty much any Nokia phone, even low end Symbian ones, makes you feel *something* |
| 15:47.51 | ShadowJK | RST38h; yeah Note looked vaguely interestng to me too |
| 15:47.54 | happymonkey | I can't say that anymore, Maemo was my only interest |
| 15:48.25 | happymonkey | the Note is the only thing that partially interests me. It has the right size for handwritten notes |
| 15:48.40 | happymonkey | and tools to allow that to happen |
| 15:48.45 | RST38h | Well, it does what it says - has got a huge screen |
| 15:48.49 | ShadowJK | RST38h; hah, handled a Nokia 700 the other day, it made me want to throw it against thew wall |
| 15:48.57 | RST38h | ShadowJK: See? :) |
| 15:49.16 | ShadowJK | nice hw, but so so messy os |
| 15:49.20 | jonwil | #1 problem with Android is that all the phones with hwkb are crap |
| 15:49.39 | ShadowJK | and impossible vkbd, took me 5 minutes to type in a url |
| 15:49.52 | RST38h | ShadowJK: bought C7 a few week ago (as a gift), felt ok |
| 15:50.05 | happymonkey | I got used to a virtual keyboard from using the n800 |
| 15:50.17 | RST38h | shadowJK: the OS is not exact a masterpiece, but it beats any android phone hands down when you just need to make a call |
| 15:50.31 | ShadowJK | Yeah I'm good on N800 vkbd, and N900 vkbd is also usable |
| 15:51.03 | RST38h | N9/N950 have actually got very nice vkbds, way better than anything before them (Nokia or not) |
| 15:51.49 | ShadowJK | N900 actually has Phone in menu, didn't find it on 700 except as a widget on one of the desktops |
| 15:51.50 | happymonkey | I was going to purchase the Note today but instead I'm going to play with my N900 and get a cat to combat the rats that have decided to frequent my apartment |
| 15:52.21 | ShadowJK | rat vs cat isn't guaranteed win for cat :-) |
| 15:52.22 | jonwil | Don't get a cat, just lay a whole pile of traps or baits |
| 15:52.34 | RST38h | ShadowJK: right softkey |
| 15:52.45 | jonwil | Cats cost lots of money to own |
| 15:52.47 | happymonkey | jonwil: I can't do it, they're so cute |
| 15:52.49 | jonwil | food, vet bills etc |
| 15:52.58 | happymonkey | jonwil: I need a partner in crime |
| 15:53.03 | jonwil | whats cute? The cat or the rats? |
| 15:53.13 | happymonkey | jonwil: it will do for the time being, the rats |
| 15:53.26 | happymonkey | jonwil: if I didn't have to worry about them spreading disease |
| 15:53.35 | happymonkey | jonwil: like the bubonic plague and what not |
| 15:53.49 | happymonkey | in any event off topic |
| 15:53.54 | jonwil | heh |
| 15:54.03 | ShadowJK | RST38h; it has no softkeys? |
| 15:54.26 | ShadowJK | oh the... oh, the phone keys.. duh |
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| 15:55.23 | happymonkey | yay CSSU is now installed again |
| 15:56.04 | RST38h | ShadowJK:C7 has got two virtual softkeys |
| 15:56.14 | RST38h | The right one is phone. Took me a while to figure either. |
| 15:57.02 | RST38h | jonwil: So, whaddyawannado? Hire someone to kill your cat because you are out of money and can'tbring yourself to do it? =) |
| 15:57.20 | RST38h | conjured the appropriate episode of Black Books |
| 15:57.29 | jonwil | doesnt have a cat |
| 15:57.35 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.37 | happymonkey | I'm going to have one soon |
| 15:58.07 | happymonkey | I can't bring myself to kill the rats and they've made me realize I some companionship |
| 15:58.19 | happymonkey | s/I/I could use/ |
| 15:58.35 | happymonkey | that's a terrible sed interpreter |
| 15:58.38 | happymonkey | terrible |
| 15:59.16 | RST38h | happymonkey: why not befriend the rats? |
| 15:59.32 | happymonkey | RST38h: I have I feed them little scraps of food |
| 15:59.40 | happymonkey | but they're disease vectors |
| 16:00.15 | happymonkey | and I'm just not down with getting some gnarly disease because I was too nice to them |
| 16:00.28 | happymonkey | they appear to really like kiwis |
| 16:00.40 | happymonkey | initially it was apple, I couldn't believe it |
| 16:01.04 | happymonkey | but then I gave them half a kiwi and jeez, that was crazy watching them go at it |
| 16:01.48 | ShadowJK | half-domestic cats are free |
| 16:02.08 | happymonkey | it will stay in my apartment, have regular checkups, shots etc. |
| 16:02.14 | ucG | jonwil CBS worked well until i changed the theme.Anyways will test again. |
| 16:02.17 | happymonkey | plus I want a "free" animal |
| 16:02.53 | ShadowJK | btw, if you introduce kitten to your ratfeeding habbit it might just befriend them |
| 16:03.02 | happymonkey | lol |
| 16:03.09 | SpeedEvil | happymonkey: you can have my free rats. |
| 16:03.10 | happymonkey | truly |
| 16:03.12 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 16:03.26 | SpeedEvil | happymonkey: I'll even pay you a fiver per rat to take it away. |
| 16:03.40 | happymonkey | it's just the disease vector aspect that freaks me out |
| 16:04.11 | happymonkey | city rats get exposed to all sorts of stuff that is totally out of my control, in any event off topic |
| 16:04.23 | SpeedEvil | It's not off-topic. |
| 16:04.39 | SpeedEvil | It's only off-topic of you're not making a device to electrocute rats. |
| 16:04.55 | happymonkey | lol |
| 16:05.03 | jonwil | ucG, do you have logging enabled for my widget? |
| 16:05.16 | ucG | yep.All the three |
| 16:05.36 | jonwil | ok, can you pastebin both logs> |
| 16:05.37 | jonwil | ? |
| 16:05.57 | jonwil | home/user/opername.log and home/user/cbsms.log |
| 16:06.13 | ucG | oh.I am a noobest of the noobs man.By tomorrow i will try my level best. |
| 16:06.33 | jonwil | just grab the files from your phone |
| 16:06.36 | happymonkey | SpeedEvil: using the Qt or Maemo SDK? |
| 16:06.41 | ucG | ok |
| 16:06.42 | SpeedEvil | happymonkey: either! |
| 16:06.52 | jonwil | and upload them somewhere |
| 16:06.55 | jonwil | or you can email them to me |
| 16:06.57 | jonwil | or something |
| 16:06.58 | SpeedEvil | I have actually used my n900 to aid in catching rats. |
| 16:07.01 | ucG | ok. |
| 16:07.04 | jonwil | whatever is easiest for you |
| 16:07.28 | ucG | I will paste them in TMO |
| 16:07.29 | SpeedEvil | A script to grab pics and move them over wifi. |
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| 16:07.52 | jonwil | if you can get them for me, I can see if there is anything wrong with what my widget is doing... |
| 16:08.05 | ucG | sure. |
| 16:08.30 | happymonkey | SpeedEvil: if it wasn't for my benign nature I would be able to I'm sure use my n900 for a similar purpose as it is I'm a borderline ethical vegan |
| 16:09.44 | happymonkey | who am I kidding I'm getting another animal to do my dirty work |
| 16:15.51 | Tofe | Yeppee, my QtCreator begins to work. I've got the QtSimulator working, now I'm installing madde. |
| 16:16.47 | jonwil | ucG, is what you posted the complete cbsms.log or what? |
| 16:17.04 | ucG | jonwil i pasted it in TMO,since i dont know how to do it here.May be what i pasted there is what you nee IMHO |
| 16:17.09 | ucG | yep |
| 16:17.17 | ucG | complete. |
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| 16:17.36 | ucG | opened with Vi.copied. |
| 16:18.12 | jonwil | ok, the line network_reg_status clear cell name at the end says that something caused the network registration status of the phone to change. And no incoming cell broadcast has been sent by the tower since then., |
| 16:18.42 | jonwil | My plugin seems to be working as designed, its your operator (or the particulars of your exact location) that are causing the cell broadcasts to vanish |
| 16:18.54 | ucG | ok |
| 16:19.20 | ucG | I will reboot it again and report back. |
| 16:20.59 | jonwil | ok |
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| 16:24.08 | ucG | After reboot only operator name showed up.I unchecked all the three logs in the settings and checked back.Still not even operator name.I have full signal here. |
| 16:24.19 | jonwil | ok, wierd |
| 16:24.46 | jonwil | check all 3 options again |
| 16:24.49 | jonwil | and tell me what happens |
| 16:25.14 | ucG | yeah already checked.No operator name at all |
| 16:25.28 | happymonkey | after reinstalling CSSU succsessfully I'm still unable to load the Flashlight applet, error given "Unable to initialize flashlight. Camera in use by another application." I've read a few threads in TMorg but nothing other than just reflashing has lead to a recovery any suggestions to try before I do this? |
| 16:25.44 | happymonkey | dmesg has no relevant info |
| 16:26.24 | ucG | I will completely uninstall it will start from the scratch.But tomorrow.If you dont mind. |
| 16:27.18 | jonwil | ok |
| 16:27.34 | ucG | TY for the widget bye. |
| 16:27.52 | jonwil | I dont see anything wrong with my plugin, I think most of the issues people are seeing are related to the workings, bugs and other things of code lower down |
| 16:29.14 | happymonkey | time for breakfast e.g. pizza |
| 16:30.59 | happymonkey | ah the camera doesn't work at all, hopefully that's not because of getting drunk and dropping the phone, I'll just assume I uninstalled something |
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| 16:47.14 | happymonkey | that funny backup application sometimes I think an rsync would be faster and more effective backup than the GUI |
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| 16:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: for sure a backupmenu full tgz disk image was a better choice for a full backup, yes |
| 16:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I actually do a daily scheduled rsync of my / and /home partitions. see |
| 16:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 16:56.00 | infobot | well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:56.20 | happymonkey | sounds good |
| 16:56.51 | happymonkey | looks god |
| 16:56.54 | happymonkey | good |
| 16:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: regarding yur flashlight issue - you used fcam and maybe another kernel prior to reflash? |
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| 16:58.11 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: yes, I install fcam-drivers fcam and a few other with, apt-get --reinstall install <X> |
| 16:58.19 | happymonkey | but maybe there's still more I can do |
| 16:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | IOW: installing any new kernel is known to cause issues with camera kernel drivers, which will cause symptoms like yours |
| 16:58.50 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: I figured as much |
| 16:59.19 | happymonkey | I just don't know how to debug/troubleshoot this issue |
| 16:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | general advice usually is to uninstall *all* camra and flashlight related stuff and reinstall it then |
| 16:59.55 | happymonkey | makes sense |
| 17:00.07 | happymonkey | I'll do this, my backup is almost complete |
| 17:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | first get backupmenu, it's AWESOME |
| 17:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | only thing you can't backup/restore with it (yet) is kernel |
| 17:01.42 | happymonkey | very promising |
| 17:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | so prior to restoring a backup done on a system with ACMEkernel, you should make sure you installed ACMEkernel again |
| 17:02.38 | happymonkey | right :) |
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| 17:03.14 | happymonkey | I get it but if it does work it does seem like a real time saver |
| 17:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | it is, go for it |
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| 17:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's so basic a tool that you wonder how Nokia could dare to sell a device without it |
| 17:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | ooh I forgot you also can't backup / restore CAL with it (at least not easily), but probably you shouldn't bother if you don't know what's CAL |
| 17:06.22 | happymonkey | nope no clue |
| 17:06.26 | happymonkey | I probably should |
| 17:07.04 | happymonkey | what's CAL? |
| 17:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | nah, CAL is /dev/mtd1 (iirc) - the config storage that has your device serial number and stuff |
| 17:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | you usually don't touch it |
| 17:07.41 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: nice good to know about though |
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| 17:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but take care. Messing with CAL can brick your device for good |
| 17:09.05 | happymonkey | jeez sounds like some delicate stuff, just something new to learn about :) |
| 17:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | you can flash a new kernel, even coldflash a new bootloader. You can't restore CAL though, as you won't get the data in there from anywhere |
| 17:11.11 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: it's not a physical partition right? |
| 17:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | nope, just a logical partition on NAND |
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| 17:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/mtd |
| 17:12.31 | happymonkey | ah |
| 17:13.59 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: so I'm going to sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l '*cam*' | grep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}'), unless I'm missing something |
| 17:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | also "What is CAL?" -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 |
| 17:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: I dunno for sure, see powerkernel FAQ "why my camera stopped to work after installing powerkernel" |
| 17:18.30 | Sicelo | just tested that happymonkey. u will also be removing camel-as-provider-0, camelisync |
| 17:19.22 | happymonkey | ya I know it needs a few qualifiers |
| 17:20.27 | happymonkey | dpkg -l '*cam*' | grep '^ii' | awk '!/camel/ {print $2}' ;p |
| 17:20.50 | happymonkey | Sicelo: ty |
| 17:21.06 | Sicelo | whew, if i could do that. nice happymonkey. i got lots to learn |
| 17:21.17 | happymonkey | don't we all :) |
| 17:21.34 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 17:21.53 | happymonkey | or put it all in an awk expression: dpkg -l '*cam*' | awk '/ii/ && !/camel/ {print $2}' |
| 17:22.10 | Sicelo | more greek to me, lol |
| 17:22.22 | happymonkey | lol |
| 17:24.29 | happymonkey | ok time to use it |
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| 17:26.23 | happymonkey | thank goodness there doesn't appear to be any dependencies on these files other than themselves so nothing else is being removed |
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| 17:27.24 | happymonkey | taking it down for a reboot |
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| 17:30.43 | happymonkey | nice got the continual reboot, it must have taken something, I suppose this might be it: mp-fremantle-community-pr |
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| 17:31.02 | happymonkey | owell reflashing isn't too bad but why must I do this |
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| 17:37.17 | Tofe | wow, mad-admin is really not very verbose... |
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| 17:37.40 | Tofe | "QEMU startup failed". Yes. Very useful :) |
| 17:38.23 | happymonkey | wil I need to create a chroot to use the 32bit flasher on a 64bit OS? |
| 17:38.49 | luke-jr | happymonkey: if your OS is 64-bit-only |
| 17:38.59 | luke-jr | happymonkey: many "64-bit OS" are really hybrid 32/64-bit, which can run both |
| 17:39.45 | happymonkey | luke-jr: I'm using Arch 64bit I'll try it |
| 17:39.55 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: talking about cal, there are two CALs |
| 17:40.48 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: one is in rapuyama, and only code to access it is in nolo, and there is cal with other stuff |
| 17:41.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that other cal is probably same ( - different mac addresses ) on all N900's |
| 17:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | less -f /dev/mtd1ro shows a lot of rather specific stuff though |
| 17:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | initial kbd layout, wlan policy, etc |
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| 17:43.43 | jacekowski | it's same on other N900's |
| 17:44.14 | jacekowski | and iirc, it will use "default" wlan policy if there is nothing in cal ( i'm not sure what "default" is ) |
| 17:44.39 | jacekowski | i mean, it's "same" as in it's country/continent specific |
| 17:46.25 | jacekowski | only thing in that cal that is unique on each device are mac addresses for wlan |
| 17:46.32 | jacekowski | and hmm |
| 17:46.35 | jacekowski | let me check what else |
| 17:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | bt-mac |
| 17:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | hw rev |
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| 17:48.41 | jacekowski | hw rev is recoverable |
| 17:48.55 | jacekowski | bt-mac not so much but it can be set to whatever you want |
| 17:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, IMEI |
| 17:49.32 | jacekowski | recoverable |
| 17:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 17:49.40 | jacekowski | and i have no idea what is it used for |
| 17:49.48 | jacekowski | because imei is coming from rapuyama cal |
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| 17:50.05 | jacekowski | besides, can you just download http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/calvaria |
| 17:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not saying the abstract data isn't recoverable, bit you won't find an image to "flash" anywhere |
| 17:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | but* |
| 17:50.47 | jacekowski | and that will dump all data in cal |
| 17:51.08 | jacekowski | and talking about hw revision, i don't think that's used anywhere as well |
| 17:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | (uless *somebody* simply uploads his CAL dump somewhere ;-D ) |
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| 17:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | indeed hw rev seems rather arbitrary and useless |
| 17:51.49 | happymonkey | need to get a 32bit chroot, well this is certainly an interesting diversion to get my N900 working again |
| 17:52.22 | Tofe | got it ! mwahahaa |
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| 17:52.32 | Tofe | libjpeg6 was missing... |
| 17:52.52 | ShadowJK | I guess they only made flasher-3.0 as amd64? |
| 17:54.11 | happymonkey | there's a 64bit deb, lol, I should just unpack it |
| 17:54.19 | happymonkey | didn't see it until it was too late |
| 17:55.03 | happymonkey | ah that's 3.12.1 |
| 17:55.06 | happymonkey | never mind |
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| 17:55.49 | luke-jr | 4[12:50:05] <jacekowski> besides, can you just download http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/calvaria <-- 404 |
| 17:56.09 | happymonkey | chroot install is ~20 minutes at most and I can most likely use it in the future so no biggy |
| 17:56.15 | luke-jr | happymonkey: I have a 64-bit flasher, but cannot legally share :? |
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| 17:57.23 | happymonkey | luke-jr: thanks for that? jk :) |
| 17:57.35 | luke-jr | happymonkey: more to blame Nokia for :p |
| 17:58.01 | happymonkey | luke-jr: doesn't really change much I already blame them for too much, like a drop in a bucket |
| 17:58.07 | luke-jr | lol |
| 17:58.13 | happymonkey | :D |
| 17:59.08 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: \o/ |
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| 18:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: just in case you might need it (or anybody else) :-D -> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/mtd_debug_read_mtd1_0_0x60000.bin http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dd_if=mtd1ro.bin |
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| 18:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I never dared to do a mtd_debug erase /dev/mtd1 0 0x6000 && mtd_debug write /dev/mtd1 0 0x6000 myCALbackup.bin |
| 18:06.14 | jave | hello |
| 18:06.48 | jave | my n900 died for the second time. it wont boot properly. what can I do to unbrick it? |
| 18:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | find out why it doesn't boot, fix it |
| 18:07.21 | aholler | start with offering a verbose error description |
| 18:07.25 | jave | cool |
| 18:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | honestly what kind of answer do you expact on that question? |
| 18:07.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: reflash! |
| 18:07.47 | jave | i wasnt finished typing :) |
| 18:07.53 | chem|st | hehe |
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| 18:08.41 | jave | aanyway. so. the "nokia" screen shows up on power on. then it powers off. thats it. |
| 18:08.43 | chem|st | where does it stop working? nokia-logo -> dots -> pin -> hands -> dots? |
| 18:08.51 | chem|st | ok |
| 18:08.52 | jave | no dots. |
| 18:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, so you deleted any proper hints on how we can help you, for writing "cool" ? |
| 18:09.02 | chem|st | charging problem |
| 18:09.05 | jave | only nokia logo. |
| 18:09.14 | chem|st | I'd guess |
| 18:09.23 | chem|st | what does it do off on a wallcharger? |
| 18:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | jave: reflash |
| 18:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | you messed up your kernel |
| 18:09.53 | jave | DocScrutinizer: okay. how do I do that? and I didnt do anything with the kernel |
| 18:09.56 | chem|st | would be the next question... any messing with multiboot uboot kernels |
| 18:10.08 | jave | no nothing. |
| 18:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | jave: you didn't install powerkernel, or nitdroid&multiboot? |
| 18:10.25 | jave | no |
| 18:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | or maemohotspot? |
| 18:10.38 | jave | no |
| 18:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe your battery is the culprit |
| 18:10.55 | chem|st | what does it do on a wallcharger? |
| 18:10.56 | jave | new battery |
| 18:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, listen to chem|st |
| 18:11.12 | jave | same thing on wallcharger. |
| 18:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | what does it do when you hold "u" key while plugging in USB of wallcharger to powered-down device? |
| 18:12.11 | jave | hmm. let me check |
| 18:13.04 | chem|st | you need to make sure your battery is not dead, with another device or charging it with another device or get a new battery (they come precharged) |
| 18:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | to flash, yes |
| 18:13.37 | chem|st | did the device dry dead on battery and this is the first attempt to start it again |
| 18:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | we're about to check that, chem|st |
| 18:13.53 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah I am reading you ;) |
| 18:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO won't enter flash mode when bat low |
| 18:14.20 | chem|st | just dropping all thoughts and questions |
| 18:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | odds are his bat already is low by now, no matter why |
| 18:14.45 | chem|st | NOLO won't enter charge mode if the batt is below emergency state |
| 18:15.01 | chem|st | speaking literally |
| 18:15.08 | happymonkey | external charger to the rescue, I'm so greatful for having one |
| 18:15.25 | chem|st | happymonkey: +1 |
| 18:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO won't even start below hw-threshold for booting |
| 18:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | which means emergency charging will kick in |
| 18:16.44 | DocScrutinizer | happymonkey: what was the result of holding "u"? |
| 18:17.25 | jave | the battery is dead now. |
| 18:17.31 | chem|st | jave: what was the result of holding "u"? |
| 18:17.38 | jave | so i will attempt to charge. |
| 18:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 18:17.49 | jave | chem|st: im not there yet |
| 18:18.20 | jave | Its been dead like this for a week, so i wasnt aware the battery was dead at this point |
| 18:18.37 | chem|st | jave: leave it for a couple of minutes at the wallcahrger if it shows a red light ( DocScrutinizer is it red?) leave it there |
| 18:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | amber |
| 18:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 18:18.59 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 18:19.01 | chem|st | I mean emergency |
| 18:19.58 | chem|st | hmm emergency charging is not amber... |
| 18:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | it IS |
| 18:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | I can show you the transistors doing that |
| 18:20.26 | chem|st | uh I remember my device showing red steady red... |
| 18:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | one for green and one for red |
| 18:20.48 | chem|st | what is red then? |
| 18:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | defect transistor? :-P |
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| 18:21.03 | chem|st | so my device wasn't emergency charging but doing something else... |
| 18:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | or fsckdup battery and bme complaining |
| 18:21.09 | vi____ | yo |
| 18:21.21 | vi____ | re-captcha |
| 18:21.29 | vi____ | is to teach computers OCR? |
| 18:21.34 | chem|st | normal charging is amber if device is off |
| 18:21.50 | jave | chem|st: now it shows "nokia" on an unlit screen. led doesnt light up |
| 18:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes, amber flashing |
| 18:21.54 | vi____ | Then how does the computer know if I got it right? |
| 18:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | amber steady is emergency charging |
| 18:22.24 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer: does bme cpntrol emergancy charging? |
| 18:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:22.45 | vi____ | bq27200 chip? |
| 18:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | EC is a mere hw thing |
| 18:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 18:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:22.52 | chem|st | its a dedicated ci |
| 18:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150 |
| 18:23.00 | vi____ | aha |
| 18:23.11 | vi____ | what enables emargancy charging? |
| 18:23.17 | vi____ | ^emergency |
| 18:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | in cooperation with 1707 USB PHY for detecting fastcharger |
| 18:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | vi____: basically applying 5V to USB enables it |
| 18:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | but D+/- short enables proper fast emergency charging |
| 18:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's more like NOLO on hw bootup *stops* emergency charging |
| 18:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | it's always enabled |
| 18:25.21 | chem|st | +1 |
| 18:25.40 | vi____ | is reading 1704 datasheet |
| 18:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | so device always will EC until Vbat threshold for hw bootup reached |
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| 18:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | then SOC boots to NOLO and NOLO talks to bq24150 and thus stops EC |
| 18:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | then NOLO tries to boot to linux kernel where bme takes over |
| 18:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | if your rootfs is borked, bme won't run and thus device starts up to NOLO screen and then depletes battery in 30s and off again |
| 18:28.51 | vi____ | smart reflex@900MHz does that make you mad DocScrutinizer ? |
| 18:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 18:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | up to you |
| 18:29.22 | vi____ | depletes battery in 30s? |
| 18:29.28 | vi____ | It must bloody hot! |
| 18:29.32 | vi____ | ^get |
| 18:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's making you mad, not me ;-D |
| 18:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | vi____: BS. battery is just a tad over *completely* drained state when device boots from EC |
| 18:30.34 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer: oh |
| 18:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | actually old broken bat cells tend to not even last those 30s until bme kicks in |
| 18:30.56 | vi____ | DocScrutinizer: I thought you meant a full battery. Pay no attention to me. |
| 18:31.47 | jave | DocScrutinizer: Im aparently now in the charge loop you describe. what can I do? only recourse to buy new battery? |
| 18:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | basically yes, unless it's your rootfs that's borked |
| 18:32.47 | jave | its probably also borked, since it didnt boot when I did have a good battery |
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| 18:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | so first alien charge your battery and then reflash, then test by depleting battery and try emergency charging to work as supposed |
| 18:33.00 | luke-jr | notes N810 booted without battery fine. |
| 18:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, N900 doesn't |
| 18:33.37 | luke-jr | would have thought OpenMoko making that mistake would have taught everyone in the industry the lesson :/ |
| 18:33.42 | jave | can I solder power to it somewhere? are there any good diagrams? |
| 18:34.45 | vi____ | Does anyone have an n900 with broken USB they want to sell me for a ludicissly low price? |
| 18:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: problem with N900 is that it charges over USB, though I *think* it could boot up on fastcharger and 850mA max USB current just fine. Dunno why it doesn't |
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| 18:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: OM error was kinda different |
| 18:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | jave: there are diagrams, but no point to sanely apply external power other than USB |
| 18:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | you *might* apply NO MORE than 4.00 Volt to battery contacts |
| 18:36.58 | jave | okay. what about the data pin? |
| 18:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | of device, not of battery |
| 18:37.32 | jave | yes, what i meant was if the data pin is necessary for boot |
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| 18:37.52 | jave | and i would need to find my psu |
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| 18:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | the data pin (BSI) will make your device shutdown in a fraction of second once it's booted and there's not exactly 100k Ohm to bat-minus |
| 18:38.23 | jave | okay |
| 18:39.26 | jave | i should of course have bought a stack of spares, and an alien charger. thoughtless. |
| 18:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | I explicitly do NOT recommend to do that anyway, messing with bat contacts and PSU is likely to break your device when you mess up a "silly detail" |
| 18:40.09 | jave | well im kind of pissed of at it atm. i almost want to break it. |
| 18:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | if you got 4.00V PSU anyway, I raher suggest you brute-force charge the battery that way, rather than messing with N900 bat contacts |
| 18:41.06 | jave | okay |
| 18:41.24 | vi____ | and what is the Resistance of the battery? |
| 18:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | if you coulds somehow limit the current to <1A, even better |
| 18:41.39 | jave | so, lets assume i get it charged somehow. how do i reflash it? |
| 18:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 18:41.50 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:41.54 | jave | thanks |
| 18:42.13 | vi____ | 0.8v/battery resistance = charge current. |
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| 18:42.21 | jave | i have a couple of good psu:s somewhere... |
| 18:42.31 | jave | with current limit |
| 18:42.32 | vi____ | I would almost certainly stick a resistor in series with it. |
| 18:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene I also didn't recommend to brute-force charge any LiIon battery unless you already know damn good what you are doing |
| 18:42.53 | vi____ | somthing meaty like a 1W. |
| 18:42.56 | happymonkey | DocScrutinizer: well just over two hours the phone and camera is working again and now it's time to reinstall stuffs |
| 18:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | odds still are your battery might explode on you messing with it |
| 18:43.31 | vi____ | lol@brute force li-ion. You are brave. |
| 18:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | with a proper current-limited voltage-refulated PSU it's not that bad |
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| 18:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | esp if you know what you're doing and got a DVM ready to probe bat voltage after 5min chaging, and stop at bat voltage >4.00V |
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| 18:46.49 | Sicelo | hildon-desktop weirdnes, http://eu.gshellz.org/~sicelo/Screenshot-20111203-194643.png |
| 18:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | jave: bp-5l is meant to get charged at max 800mA iirc |
| 18:47.02 | jave | ok |
| 18:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | not 1C as usual |
| 18:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | so limit I to 800mA, U to 4.10V and you got rather decent charging |
| 18:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | to ~80% |
| 18:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | sufficient for proper flashing |
| 18:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | charge end criterion is I < 100mA |
| 18:49.02 | ShadowJK | iirc datasheet said 0.7C |
| 18:49.09 | ShadowJK | for charge currengt |
| 18:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 18:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | though on 4.10V you can safely charge for hours or even days, which will bring down I to almost 0mA |
| 18:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | on 4.3V expect BAD(TM) things to happen after e few hours |
| 18:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | so double check, and don't leave it without supervision |
| 18:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | if cell gets warm you definitely are close to doom |
| 18:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | so stop immediately |
| 18:53.14 | dm8tbr | limits emergency charge of LiIon cells usually to 3,7V and 0,1A |
| 18:53.32 | dm8tbr | slow, but play-it-safeā¢ |
| 18:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but we are talking about alien charging here, to allow flashing |
| 18:54.01 | dm8tbr | yes, that's what I do also at times to cells |
| 18:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | 3.7V a bit low for that |
| 18:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | you may get away with 3.8 or 3.9V for flashing |
| 18:54.46 | dm8tbr | sure, for my case it's enough though |
| 18:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 18:55.06 | dm8tbr | bring up device to full boot and make it charge autonomously |
| 18:55.36 | dm8tbr | has some devices which notoriously discharge to around 3V and won't emerg charge themeslves... |
| 18:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | hah, you got a device with broken hw emergency chaging? |
| 18:56.05 | dm8tbr | rather non-mainstream special stuff though |
| 18:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT is a error of OM class |
| 18:56.40 | dm8tbr | nah, let's call it EVM type of stuff |
| 18:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:56.52 | dm8tbr | doesn't have to be perfect |
| 18:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | OM also only had EVM type of stuff ;-D |
| 18:58.11 | dm8tbr | also I probably could recover by different means, but why if I have a HP 19" lab-supply on my desk... |
| 18:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:59.43 | dm8tbr | will even charge his phone with that thing. it's so nice to see the charge progress and when it drops to around 2,7mA you know it reached full |
| 19:00.20 | ShadowJK | 'd think 50mA would be a more sensible threshold |
| 19:00.46 | ShadowJK | C/20 or so |
| 19:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | threshold for "it's full now" flag, yes |
| 19:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | for stop-charge there's no sane threshold on 3.7V |
| 19:01.32 | ShadowJK | and ending charge? |
| 19:01.47 | dm8tbr | no, my mobile phone gets fed 5,2V and limit is set to 1A |
| 19:01.47 | ShadowJK | oh on 3.7V yeah |
| 19:02.24 | dm8tbr | the 3,7V mode is just to bring the battery up enough for the SoC to reach UI |
| 19:02.24 | ShadowJK | Some would argue LiCo isn't sane, but... |
| 19:02.26 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 19:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | duh, another wasted day |
| 19:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
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| 22:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | #mer: 162 |
| 22:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | world seems top down |
| 22:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe not |
| 22:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: looking at mva's real user name I friggin wonder how anybody could read those weird arab fonts unless at least at 28pt |
| 22:36.15 | ShadowJK | They're probably readable at 6pt as long as you have sufficient dpi ;-) |
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