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| 02:17.30 | luke-jr | yawn, this class 10 uSD doesn't seem very class 10y |
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| 03:09.07 | luke-jr | why is benchmarking so impractical? :/ |
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| 03:16.21 | njsf | Heisenberg |
| 03:18.43 | njsf | ie, the fact that you are benchmarking affects what you want to measure |
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| 03:29.31 | luke-jr | njsf: it seems bypassing the filesystem helps a lot |
| 03:29.42 | luke-jr | blows away his swaps |
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| 03:35.18 | robbiethe1st | Bwahahaha. H-E-N, PK is /awesome/ |
| 03:36.06 | robbiethe1st | The USB->SPDIF sound card module I ordered from China arrived today. I took it, plugged it into my microUSB adaptor, and plugged that into my N900 |
| 03:36.27 | robbiethe1st | Ran H-E-N, vboost on, enumerate... checked dmesg and yup, it'd found it. |
| 03:36.53 | robbiethe1st | Checked alsamixer to see if it was recognised, and yup, it was card #1. |
| 03:37.33 | robbiethe1st | I then ran mplayer with ao=alsa and the right card arguments, and suddenly beautiful music starts coming out of the nice set of digital speakers I'd hooked up to it! |
| 03:37.58 | robbiethe1st | Almost plug-and-play(though as of yet I don't know how to have the stock media player use it..) |
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| 03:41.05 | godtrunks | Hy, i have a problem, my files are read-only and i don't have a pc, can u tell me hy i unmount and how i repair the errors?? |
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| 03:41.29 | luke-jr | read eMMC=20 / 2G=12.5 / 32G=15 |
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| 03:41.30 | luke-jr | write eMMC= 2.5 / 2G= 2.7 / 32G= 6.5 |
| 03:41.33 | luke-jr | (all MB/s) |
| 03:41.51 | godtrunks | I write that in terminal? |
| 03:41.53 | luke-jr | no |
| 03:41.57 | luke-jr | I'm just talking to myself. |
| 03:42.14 | godtrunks | I'm noob with this |
| 03:42.33 | godtrunks | Can u pls tell me? |
| 03:43.58 | godtrunks | Not working |
| 03:44.24 | godtrunks | Not found :| |
| 03:44.30 | luke-jr | … |
| 03:44.33 | luke-jr | that wasn't sarcasm |
| 03:44.37 | luke-jr | I was literally talking to myslef |
| 03:45.08 | godtrunks | So, can u pls tell me? |
| 03:49.37 | godtrunks | ? |
| 03:51.21 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so do you think rootfs is better kept on 20 MB/s read and 2.5 MB/s write, or moved to 15 MB/s read and 6.5 MB/s write? :/ |
| 03:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | interesting question |
| 03:52.28 | godtrunks | Can anyone help me? |
| 03:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks: install backupmenu, boot with kbd slide open, fsck |
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| 03:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: :-D, nice to hear you like H-E-N |
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| 03:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: for rootfs I'd clearly opt for faster read |
| 03:58.43 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 03:58.57 | luke-jr | I just wasted a few hours copying my rootfs then :D |
| 03:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 03:59.24 | Trcx | What'd did you change to modify the read/write speeds? |
| 03:59.28 | Trcx | @luke-jr |
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| 03:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | eMMC vs 2G uSD vs 32G uSD |
| 04:00.58 | Trcx | Sorry for being a noob at this, but what do those acronyms stand for? |
| 04:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | while the size of the uSDs probably is just one facor |
| 04:01.12 | Trcx | Are they filesystems? |
| 04:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | embedded MultiMediaCard vs different sizes micro-SecureDigital flash card |
| 04:02.10 | luke-jr | Trcx: uSD = MicroSD |
| 04:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | eMMC == /home/user/MyDocs |
| 04:02.31 | Trcx | ah, didn't recognize the micro abbreviations |
| 04:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | the µ doesn't work nice on a lot of IRC clients |
| 04:03.09 | luke-jr | I suppose rootfs on eMMC and swap+/var/tmp on uSD… |
| 04:03.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: nor on my kb :p |
| 04:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep, sounds sane |
| 04:04.21 | Trcx | How much battery life do you all get out of the n900? |
| 04:04.27 | luke-jr | Trcx: a few hours |
| 04:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget var/log |
| 04:04.34 | luke-jr | maybe a day if I don't use it |
| 04:04.37 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ah, true |
| 04:04.41 | luke-jr | maybe all /var ? |
| 04:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 04:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | varIABLE/ |
| 04:05.10 | luke-jr | ;) |
| 04:05.17 | luke-jr | but is /var needed to boot? :/ |
| 04:05.22 | luke-jr | ie, before fs are mounte |
| 04:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | errr, maybe not |
| 04:05.34 | luke-jr | consults the FHS |
| 04:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | though on maemo everything is "different" |
| 04:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 04:06.14 | luke-jr | I'm not using Maemo remember :p |
| 04:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 04:06.15 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... |
| 04:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | AAAHH |
| 04:06.30 | luke-jr | "/usr, /opt, and /var are designed such that they may be located on other partitions or filesystems." |
| 04:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure, yeah |
| 04:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 04:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | that's the idea behind them |
| 04:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | damn bot |
| 04:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: literal optification |
| 04:07.58 | infobot | "optification" is "a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 04:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, optification is <reply>optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 |
| 04:09.11 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 04:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 |
| 04:09.19 | DocScrutinizer | fuuuuck |
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| 04:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.36 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 04:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: optification is also ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS a""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 nd moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 |
| 04:11.08 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: that's too long |
| 04:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: optification is also ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 |
| 04:12.12 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 04:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 04:12.22 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 |
| 04:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~lock optification |
| 04:13.12 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: locking factoid optification |
| 04:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 04:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: was it you who told me about a method way simpler than my scripts&symlinks idea, to track which binaries in /usr/.?bin get called when during boot? |
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| 04:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | suddenly has an idea like "strace -ft -e trace=open init" |
| 04:25.33 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer, so, I've got a USB soundcard plugged in via HEN. It shows up as alsa card 1, or hw=1.0. How can I tell the stock media player to use that output? |
| 04:25.49 | robbiethe1st | And/or configure pulse to use that as the output on the fly? |
| 04:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | probably better "strace -ft -e trace=open -p 1" in etc/inittab |
| 04:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: on the fly? nfc |
| 04:27.30 | robbiethe1st | Well, without rebooting anyway. Something I can package into a script |
| 04:28.16 | robbiethe1st | And hopefully something that won't crash the stock media player in the process, like killing/restarting pulse likely will |
| 04:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, I don't know PA a lot. For ALSA I could tell you |
| 04:28.31 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I replaced some with strace wrappers |
| 04:28.44 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I also modified bootmenu.sh to 'set -x' and redirect stderr to a file |
| 04:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | nice |
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| 04:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: you might ask javispedro when he's around again. It seems he wrapped his head around alsaped and stuff enough to tell you how to make a policy for mediaplayer aka musicplayback (or the policy that mafw is using is called) |
| 04:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: probably redirecting *all* output to hw:1.0 is the most simple thing to implement |
| 04:34.54 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 04:34.58 | robbiethe1st | that's perfectly fine |
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| 04:35.18 | robbiethe1st | So long as I can switch it on and off relatively easily. |
| 04:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | but can't be done without at least restarting the whole audioservice |
| 04:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | initctl stop pulseaudio && initctl start pulseaudio |
| 04:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | >> load-module module-alsa-source-old source_name=source.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=480... |
| 04:38.57 | robbiethe1st | How can I run a command as user pulse? |
| 04:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | errr >>load-module module-alsa-sink-old sink_name=sink.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=48000 fragment_size=1920 fragments=4 ... |
| 04:39.33 | robbiethe1st | What do I need to add to /etc/sudoers to allow me to run /usr/bin/pacmd as user pulse |
| 04:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | su - pulse ? |
| 04:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 04:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | you can't run that cmd as user root? |
| 04:40.54 | robbiethe1st | "No pulseaudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon |
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| 04:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | HAH, |
| 04:41.33 | robbiethe1st | ps | grep pulse shows "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority --resamp" running as pulse |
| 04:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | ### Sink for playing ringtones to both IHF and BT/HSP |
| 04:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | load-module module-combine sink_name=sink.hw0andhw1 slaves=sink.hw0,sink.hw1 slave_amps=0,-28 resample_method=trivial adjust_ |
| 04:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | time=1 |
| 04:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | duh, session dbus on user pulse? |
| 04:42.26 | robbiethe1st | So how can I send it commands, then? |
| 04:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, just copy some file in /etc/sudoers.d/* and edit to read pulse instead of root |
| 04:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: see |
| 04:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | ### Default static drivers |
| 04:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | load-module module-alsa-sink-old sink_name=sink.hw0 device=hw:0 rate=48 |
| 04:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | and ff |
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| 04:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | in /etc/pulse/system.pa |
| 04:48.02 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 04:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | but probably your aproach is way better |
| 04:48.29 | robbiethe1st | If I can manage to figure out a way to actually /run a command/... yeah |
| 04:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless having a look to the above mentioned file, and siblings, esp /usr/share/policy/etc/current/pulse/xpolicy.conf might help to properly define a dedicated policy etc for your card, with own volume and all |
| 04:51.09 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
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| 09:34.25 | massoud | hi there, I have kwheeteur (0.6.1.1) installed on my n900 but oauth doesnt work when I create account and get redirect to api.twitter.com w/ microB |
| 09:35.06 | massoud | when i input my account details, nothing happens and I dont see how to change the browser to be used by khweeteur to get the twitter token |
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| 09:36.31 | Phlogistique | neal: ping |
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| 09:45.32 | massoud | anyone is using khweeteur as twitter client on n900 ? |
| 09:45.52 | chem|st | massoud: sry am not using twitter at all |
| 09:46.48 | massoud | chem|st: no pb :) |
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| 09:47.42 | SpeedEvil | massoud: Occasopnally, though I need to set it up again on my spare n900 |
| 09:47.49 | SpeedEvil | which is now my main |
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| 09:52.42 | ad-n770 | I'm using a nokia n810 and I've the feeling to I've read somewhere that dsppcmsink was locking the cpu to a certain MHz speed |
| 09:53.04 | ad-n770 | something specific for the comunication between the arm core and the dsp |
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| 09:54.12 | ad-n770 | there's any trick to manually lock the arm cpu to a certain speed instead of having it being adaptive to the load |
| 09:54.14 | ad-n770 | ? |
| 09:54.27 | ad-n770 | or a tool that I could install? |
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| 09:55.48 | ad-n770 | the requirement is because I'm profiling some code with oprofile and the adaptive behaviour doesn't seems to give me the expected figures |
| 09:55.56 | Shapeshifter | Is there some way of 'alt-tabbing' on the n900 without going over the task manager? |
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| 09:56.50 | Shapeshifter | also, where is the ctrl-backspace hotkey hooked and is it possible to remap it to something other than 'show taskmanager' |
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| 09:57.19 | Sicelo | if u have cssu or modified-hildon-desktop, yes Shapeshifter |
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| 09:57.41 | derf | ad-n770: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1389367 |
| 09:58.52 | Shapeshifter | Sicelo: I have CSSU |
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| 10:02.00 | Sicelo | http://my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html, http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop |
| 10:02.09 | Sicelo | apllies to cssu as well |
| 10:02.39 | ad-n770 | derf: thanks |
| 10:02.52 | derf | Yer welcome. |
| 10:02.55 | Shapeshifter | Sicelo: thanks |
| 10:03.35 | Sicelo | yw :) |
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| 10:19.52 | LaoLang_cool | Upgraded to CSSU testing |
| 10:20.16 | LaoLang_cool | Can't notice anything changed... |
| 10:20.51 | LaoLang_cool | orientation lock has set to auto-orientation enabled, but seems not working |
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| 11:12.18 | lardman|work | DocScrutinizer: you about? |
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| 11:14.26 | lardman|work | I'm just thinking about the offline cellid/wap ssid database/service we were discussing some time back |
| 11:15.02 | lardman|work | wondering what the difference between opencellid and openbmap is, other than the fact openbmap handles no only cell ids but also WAP SSIDs |
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| 11:19.17 | chem|st | lardman|work: should work, scrambel eggs any time I close my device |
| 11:20.16 | lardman|work | scramble eggs? Eh? Making me hungry even if I don't understand ;) |
| 11:22.58 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 11:23.18 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 11:23.26 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (20h 47m 2s) #harmattan (20h 47m 2s) #meego (20h 47m 2s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 18h 40m 4s, last said: 'djszapi_: But that was before he changed jobs.'. |
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| 11:32.02 | chem|st | lardman|work: my desktop goes portrait each time I close the device and I get like 'scrambled eggs' with my icons |
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| 11:33.41 | lardman|work | ah I see |
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| 11:49.03 | massoud | hey, anyone using khweeteur on n900 here ? |
| 11:49.37 | HaXeri | i have n900 |
| 11:49.53 | HaXeri | i recommend it really good phone |
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| 11:59.26 | Sicelo | anyone have a /rb.log file? it just has GOT HERE lines, weird |
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| 12:06.00 | vi_____ | HaXeri: n900 is a TERRIBLE phone. |
| 12:09.16 | Sicelo | ah, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-06.log.html#t2010-07-06T17:46:20 |
| 12:12.52 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/30/microsoft_tempts_rivals_with_winpho_demo/ <-- for all those that want it ;) |
| 12:13.34 | joga | does n900 have such features? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/secret-software-logging-video/ |
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| 12:14.00 | jonwil | Compared to the piece of junk that was my Motorola Z6, the N900 is a good phone |
| 12:14.12 | jonwil | It does what I need and any other arguments dont matter to me |
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| 12:14.49 | joga | n900 is the best ssh-in-pocket-and-stuff imo |
| 12:15.11 | jonwil | About the only thing I wish it had was a better maps option, one that could display and use Google Transit GTFS data |
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| 12:17.01 | ruskie | joga, considering the kernel is open and can roll your own I doubt it... but of course unless you can check through it all it's impossible to note |
| 12:17.22 | ruskie | though I similar test could be done with the N900 |
| 12:17.57 | ruskie | there's a kernel patch somewhere that allows to push all IP connections through a specific proxy so you could try that I guess |
| 12:18.06 | ruskie | to see what exactly is happening |
| 12:18.08 | ruskie | if anything |
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| 13:19.42 | jonwil | bah, not getting anywhere with icd-wlan-priority, cant find anyone who is interested in helping me test stuff/get logs |
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| 13:31.24 | neal | jonwil: Why should I help you? |
| 13:31.35 | neal | jonwil: I gave you packaging advice, which you completely ignored. |
| 13:31.49 | jonwil | what advice did I ignore? |
| 13:31.54 | neal | jonwil: You shouldn't modify the a library in place. |
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| 13:32.04 | neal | jonwil: You have to copy it and then move it over the old binary. |
| 13:32.36 | jonwil | its been working just fine for everyone that has tested it so far |
| 13:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: it's about problems when lib is in use |
| 13:37.16 | jonwil | well I haven't noticed any such problems in all my tests |
| 13:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | the processes using it will keep a file handle to the "old" version, even when it's "deleted" |
| 13:37.32 | jonwil | and we dont delete any "old" version |
| 13:37.37 | neal | DocScrutinizer: It is worse than that. |
| 13:37.44 | neal | DocScrutinizer: The data is mmap'ed |
| 13:37.49 | jonwil | we dpkg-divert the old version |
| 13:37.52 | neal | DocScrutinizer: And linux doesn't have MAP_COPY |
| 13:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | when you modify in place, the prog text and ram will differ |
| 13:38.07 | neal | DocScrutinizer: yes. |
| 13:38.14 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Say the library is 2 pages |
| 13:38.22 | neal | DocScrutinizer: the application faults in the first page |
| 13:38.28 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Then both pages are changed |
| 13:38.35 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Now the application faults in the second page |
| 13:38.51 | neal | DocScrutinizer: It now has an inconsistent binary: neither the first nor the second version! |
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| 13:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:39.41 | neal | jonwil: Also, when I asked for help reviewing my package, you never bothered. |
| 13:43.02 | jonwil | so yeah my understanding of dpkg-divert (and reading the perl code for it) is that it uses rename to rename the file |
| 13:43.17 | Shapeshifter | the mobile device market is going to hell. damn tablets |
| 13:43.50 | jonwil | so what happens is that libsms.so.0.0.0 gets renamed to libsms.so.0.0.0.divert |
| 13:44.13 | jonwil | any open handles to it still point to the file data on disk which has not changed |
| 13:44.46 | jonwil | then we copy that file to libsms.so.0.0.0 and change it |
| 13:45.29 | jonwil | so at that point, open file handles still point to libsms.so.0.0.0.divert which hasnt changed. A reboot then causes the new lib to be read |
| 13:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | that's a tiny bit silly as some process could open the lib after copy before edit |
| 13:46.04 | jonwil | except that the only process that links to libsms.so.0.0.0 on the N900 is the CSD SMS plugin |
| 13:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 13:46.12 | neal | the solution is simple: copy to /tmp, modify there, mv in place |
| 13:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 13:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: note that the open filehandles don't need to point to a true file, so moving the lib to another name is basicaly not mandatory |
| 13:50.22 | neal | DocScrutinizer: The divert will cause the old libary to be restored on uninstall |
| 13:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | as long as there's still one open filehandle, the file data will persist even when it got "deleted" by e.g moving a new version over then name of the old one |
| 13:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | mv orig backup; mv orig /tmp/workcopy; edit /tmp/workcopy; mv /tmp/workcopy orig |
| 13:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | backup is basically irrelevent |
| 13:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | oops sorry |
| 13:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | cp orig backup; cp orig /tmp/workcopy; edit /tmp/workcopy; mv /tmp/workcopy orig |
| 13:53.18 | neal | DocScrutinizer: You need the backup to restore the old version on uninstall. |
| 13:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | neal: yes |
| 13:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | still it doesn't mater for the issue we are discussing |
| 13:54.21 | neal | it matters in the broader sense of how to modify the library |
| 13:54.30 | neal | dpkg-divert is the correct thing to do |
| 13:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | neal: I didn't say "useless", I said "irrelevant" |
| 13:54.38 | neal | you need the old version |
| 13:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about unix 101 |
| 13:55.33 | neal | sorry, this is not unix 101 :-) |
| 13:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | if you need a file to be *always* consistent (no chance for races), you don't edit in place, but rather mv an edited version over the old name |
| 13:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | a process will happily continue to use the old version until close() & fopen() |
| 13:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | see var/log/syslog, logrotatae etc |
| 13:57.55 | neal | who are you arguing with? |
| 13:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 13:58.03 | neal | this has been established |
| 13:59.39 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Who did you sign your contract with? |
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| 14:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | this *is* unix 101 |
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| 14:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | and Cpt Obvious obviously doesn't argue with anybody |
| 14:16.25 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Who is Cpt Obvious? |
| 14:16.42 | neal | (I guess it's a joke, but I don't get it...) |
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| 14:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | The master of stating the obvious |
| 14:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. me |
| 14:18.33 | neal | you're saying you don't argue with anybody? |
| 14:18.43 | neal | weren't we just arguing? |
| 14:19.00 | neal | or do you prefer to be more politically correct and say that we were discussing? |
| 14:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | I thought we were on same page |
| 14:19.37 | penguinbait | same doc, dff page? |
| 14:19.46 | penguinbait | diff |
| 14:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | except for me saying "this is basics" and you not agreeing on either that fact or the equation basics==101 |
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| 14:20.41 | neal | are we arguing now? |
| 14:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:20.50 | neal | ok |
| 14:21.07 | penguinbait | disagree != argue |
| 14:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | I can't even see where neal and I disagree |
| 14:22.14 | jonwil | this whole argument is because some other people say that my packaging scripts are not correct. As author of those packaging scripts, I get to decide how they are implemented even if it may not be the "right way" |
| 14:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh again, this time for longer |
| 14:22.56 | neal | you're welcome to do stupid things |
| 14:23.27 | neal | but rejecting advice on how to do the right thing is a way to lose respect and get ignored |
| 14:24.11 | jonwil | ok, I will do things the right way |
| 14:24.16 | jonwil | changing packaging scripts now |
| 14:24.29 | penguinbait | well, as someone who breaks many rules, I can see your point of view. However non-conformity will generally come with a price |
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| 14:24.45 | peb | Hi folks .. |
| 14:25.48 | jonwil | I cant see my package being a candidate for CSSU if it does things the "wrong way" :) |
| 14:28.34 | jonwil | Can someone take a look at http://www.cncmods.net/files/operator-name-cbs-widget-0.1.zip and tell me if the changes I just made to the packaging are the right ones? |
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| 14:33.22 | jonwil | see, I listened to criticism :) |
| 14:39.23 | jonwil | lol, some idiot is asking about porting Maemo to the iPhail (aka iPhone) |
| 14:39.51 | inz | jonwil, that would be a great way to turn scrap metal into something useful. |
| 14:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | those "idiots" are our future users |
| 14:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | I usually welcome them |
| 14:41.24 | jonwil | hmmm good point |
| 14:41.27 | vi_____ | orly? They are the bain of the forum. |
| 14:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's an initial interest in FOSS, so it's up to you to give the right answers to make FOSS more attractive than fruitcrap for them |
| 14:42.11 | vi_____ | mmm |
| 14:42.33 | vi_____ | atleast n900 does not come with pre-installed malware. |
| 14:42.39 | vi_____ | (unless you count cherry) |
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| 14:42.53 | jonwil | What I posted was that, no, you cant port Maemo to the iPhone because of the closed blobs. But you could port MeeGo to it if you had the hardware drivers |
| 14:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | cherry *IS* malware, by any metrics |
| 14:43.40 | vi_____ | DocScrutinizer: when you finally figure out how to roll the CSSU firmware for flashing, you can miss that one out. |
| 14:43.52 | vi_____ | (and ovi widget) |
| 14:44.05 | jonwil | isn't anyone going to give me feedback no the changes I made to my packaging scripts to make them do things the "right way"? |
| 14:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | vi_____: I requested like 12h ago what's state of cherry in CSSU |
| 14:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | hope to get NotMyNokia into CSSU(-S) |
| 14:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you're a tall boy now, we trust in you :-) changing 3 shell cmds according to a template given isn't that hard |
| 14:46.44 | vi_____ | jonwil: I would love to however I am a mediocre scripter at best. I know little about debs. |
| 14:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | cp orig backup && edit backup && mv backup orig |
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| 14:52.25 | vi_____ | DocScrutinizer: Not enough. I want full on removal of cherry binary and start up scripts so it is COMPLETELY removed. no trace. not even the .cherry file in /home/user. |
| 14:52.46 | vi_____ | cherry, gtfo my system. |
| 14:52.58 | vi_____ | also, wtf android. |
| 14:53.14 | vi_____ | How can they have had that keylogger installed for so long with no one noticing? |
| 14:53.53 | vi_____ | I guess fandroids are not as techno 1337 as they want to think. |
| 14:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | vi_____: seems easy enough: apt-get remove --purge cherry |
| 14:57.24 | MohammadAG | frals, fing |
| 14:57.30 | MohammadAG | err, ping |
| 14:58.34 | SpeedEvil | fong! |
| 14:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~fong MohammadAG |
| 15:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping MohammadAG |
| 15:00.05 | infobot | pong MohammadAG |
| 15:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | tzzz |
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| 15:50.49 | vi_____ | How are noobs able to braek the n900 so hard? |
| 15:51.02 | vi_____ | They install god knows what. |
| 15:51.07 | vi_____ | randomly alter files |
| 15:51.23 | vi_____ | then get on the forum and cry that the n900 sucks. |
| 15:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | hmm? |
| 15:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | aah, yes. Usual pattern |
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| 15:52.26 | jonwil | heh, I consider myself a geek and someone who knows lots about linux and I was able to "break" my N900 (to the point where it only worked again with a reflash) by editing a dbus config file the wrong way |
| 15:52.36 | vi_____ | lols |
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| 15:54.55 | net-split | best way do break a n900 is by usb hostmode :p |
| 15:55.17 | net-split | and attach some high end mouse or something |
| 15:55.32 | vi_____ | that reminds me |
| 15:55.41 | vi_____ | when I attach a mouse |
| 15:55.41 | net-split | mobile hdd would work prolly too |
| 15:55.59 | vi_____ | with the usb mouse package installed |
| 15:56.14 | vi_____ | it detects the mouse and shows the onscreen cursor, which is nice |
| 15:56.38 | vi_____ | however anytime I move the mouse it forces the cursor to the top left of the screen. |
| 15:56.42 | vi_____ | Why would that be? |
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| 15:57.33 | net-split | oh... |
| 15:58.12 | net-split | that happend on windows98 if you minimized counterstrike and got killed |
| 15:58.52 | slonopotamus | net-split: oh, that's who caused "No more connections allowed in your connection class" on me? |
| 15:59.13 | net-split | maybe |
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| 16:04.34 | massoud | neal : i am using khweeteur and i would like to use opera as default browser for oauth token handshake as microB doesnt work for me :( |
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| 16:06.45 | vi_____ | as microB doesnt |
| 16:06.47 | vi_____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.57 | vi_____ | then figure out why dear liza. |
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| 16:07.12 | internetishard | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/smartphone_spying_app/ does the n900 have "carrier IQ"? |
| 16:07.20 | wmarone | lol, no |
| 16:07.55 | internetishard | they said nokia in the article. How can one be sure? |
| 16:09.22 | wmarone | it's a lot harder to hide software like that on something that doesn't fight you |
| 16:09.32 | wmarone | that and it would have been found two years ago and removed |
| 16:10.14 | internetishard | fight you? |
| 16:10.31 | wmarone | yes, you don't have to search for a local exploit to gain root access |
| 16:10.46 | wmarone | or fight a signature-based security system to install software |
| 16:10.53 | vi_____ | internetishard: The n900 has been dissected more than a Roswell alien. |
| 16:11.07 | vi_____ | all pre-installed spyware is known about and eliminated. |
| 16:11.25 | internetishard | when? |
| 16:11.32 | internetishard | Is there any? |
| 16:11.37 | vi_____ | when what? |
| 16:11.44 | vi_____ | There is a thing called 'cherry' |
| 16:11.44 | internetishard | all pre-installed spyware is known about and eliminated. |
| 16:12.09 | vi_____ | It is what prompts nokia to send you those 'welcome to ur nu fone' text messages. |
| 16:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Also to incur premium rate SMS charges. |
| 16:12.29 | vi_____ | SpeedEvil: orly? |
| 16:12.36 | SpeedEvil | Without notifying the user, in contravention of UK law. |
| 16:12.36 | vi_____ | SONOVVABITCH |
| 16:12.50 | SpeedEvil | (how it works in other countries may vary) |
| 16:12.50 | internetishard | what are premium rate sms charges? |
| 16:12.53 | vi_____ | SpeedEvil: I am on a contract, I did not know this. |
| 16:13.19 | vi_____ | SpeedEvil: meh, it was 'apt-get purged' before I even added my sim. |
| 16:13.49 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: SMSs to (or from) numbers that attract more cash than normal numbers. |
| 16:13.58 | nid0 | it also doesnt incur premium rate charges in any case |
| 16:14.03 | nid0 | or at least, never did for me |
| 16:14.26 | internetishard | I accidentally texted back to a foreign number and ended up costing 60$ on t-mobile in the US |
| 16:14.30 | internetishard | would that count? |
| 16:14.35 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10506 |
| 16:14.37 | povbot | 04Bug 10506: 'My nokia' unsubscribe attempt costs money. This is in breach of the UK regulations on premium rate texts. |
| 16:14.50 | nid0 | mine never cost money to unsubscribe |
| 16:15.04 | SpeedEvil | It may well vary with country, and how it's implemented. |
| 16:15.10 | nid0 | i'm in the uk, on o2 |
| 16:15.25 | MohammadAG | At least iOS says "Your carrier may charge you for Facetime activation SMS" |
| 16:15.26 | SpeedEvil | MAy also have changed since pr1.0 |
| 16:15.32 | MohammadAG | Cancel | OK |
| 16:16.17 | MohammadAG | http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH0sUfMA5DNLCor4ORh4tFfEc6DXXbJtteTynE8nTa3vd8VggUO7gkKj0S2w |
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| 16:31.43 | pavi | I am using maemo fremantle 1.3 on N900 |
| 16:31.58 | pavi | How do I upgrade the flash version on firefox mobile ? |
| 16:33.05 | SpeedEvil | You don't. |
| 16:34.03 | pavi | SpeedEvil, Don't or cant ? |
| 16:34.18 | pavi | I am using http://wiki.maemo.org/Firefox_mobile |
| 16:35.13 | SpeedEvil | There is no upgrade of flash since 9.?? |
| 16:44.58 | pavi | SpeedEvil, I can't listen to audio streams from BBC radio one |
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| 16:47.40 | Sicelo | u might find that the flash points to a location u can actually type in media player |
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| 16:50.45 | Sicelo | i have found streams like that |
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| 16:53.03 | SpeedEvil | pavi: through iplayer, you mean? |
| 16:54.23 | pavi | Sicelo, on a phone? I wanna listen to radio |
| 16:54.38 | pavi | SpeedEvil, yeah iplayer damned needs 10 flash |
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| 16:55.15 | pavi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34173&page=11 |
| 16:55.15 | Sicelo | that's what i meant too pavi |
| 16:55.41 | SpeedEvil | In principle, get_iplayer may be convincable to work. |
| 16:55.46 | pavi | Sicelo, on a desktop i can easily find flash locaqtion but on n900 |
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| 17:01.06 | massoud | do you know how to change the default browser used by httplib2 python modules ? |
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| 17:12.05 | pavi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.12 | pavi | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/1.0/releasenotes/ says that I should go to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/m which is redirecting me to android market !! |
| 17:13.30 | pavi | Why does mozilla think that android is the only mobile in the world :O |
| 17:15.07 | pavi | got the correct one http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/releases/7.0/maemo5-gtk/en-US/fennec_7.0_armel.deb |
| 17:21.35 | Trewas | too bad they dumped fennec on maemo, having a proper browser on n9 would be nice |
| 17:25.16 | pavi | everyone says future meego is doomed maemo is long gone . damn those peeps |
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| 17:28.34 | derf | pavi: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/releases/7.0.1/maemo5-gtk/ was the last official release. |
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| 17:29.14 | pavi | derf, oops ok |
| 17:35.08 | pavi | Damn you BBC . I hate you . |
| 17:35.47 | pavi | only thing is I get quality streams of radio from you . else I never would come to you |
| 17:35.56 | pavi | Libre.fm Here I come |
| 17:38.56 | Sicelo | pavi: does this play what u want? mplayer -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1.asx |
| 17:40.05 | SpeedEvil | WFM |
| 17:40.09 | SpeedEvil | (on my n900) |
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| 17:43.00 | pavi | Sicelo, it exited saying that cache has been filled |
| 17:43.39 | pavi | Sicelo, working now :) thanks |
| 17:45.06 | pavi | Sicelo, SpeedEvil got the entire streams list at http://bbcstreams.com/ |
| 17:45.14 | SpeedEvil | neat |
| 17:45.39 | Sicelo | kewl ;) |
| 17:45.52 | Sicelo | u can put that in Media Player |
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| 17:46.32 | pavi | Sicelo, Yeah doing that :) |
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| 18:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU-Testing1.1 available for update |
| 18:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | reports about modest stability *much* appreciated |
| 18:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1131168 |
| 18:19.13 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: *charging* |
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| 18:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 18:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | safety first, eh? |
| 18:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | the update from Tmaemo1 went smooth |
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| 18:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: could you close that 5k-posts thread please? |
| 18:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1131169&postcount=5430 |
| 18:26.41 | chem|st | done |
| 18:27.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: it was not letting me upgrade if battery is to low on previous releases so I thought it wont let me this time, would get a charge anyway... |
| 18:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: thanks |
| 18:29.59 | chem|st | n9 still 579eur, I would buy one for testing if not that expensive... |
| 18:30.18 | chem|st | a moto defy+ is like 275eur... |
| 18:30.28 | chem|st | and IP67^^ |
| 18:31.12 | chem|st | s/275/230/ |
| 18:31.36 | chem|st | I'll have a look in '12 |
| 18:32.10 | chem|st | have some issues with sim recognition... but n900s are expensive too |
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| 18:43.40 | torpor | any mac osx users of Flasher-3.5 here? i'm trying to flash my n900 but i can't find where Flasher is installed *to* on my mac |
| 18:43.43 | torpor | if anyone knows, please tell me. |
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| 20:20.52 | jiero | hi, anybody using CSSU testing? |
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| 20:21.19 | NIN101 | yes. |
| 20:21.29 | jiero | I found Fcamera based application conflict with stock camera |
| 20:22.00 | jiero | Both of those won't work after drivers-fcam installed. |
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| 20:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | umm, I don't think that's CSSU related |
| 20:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | the drivers are kernel-specific, and CSSU doesn't touch kernel stuff |
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| 20:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not saying it's impossible, after all CSSU comes with a camera-ui replacement. But it's rather unlikely it will mess with drivers |
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| 20:33.21 | jiero | DocScrutinizer I used to have extra-devel enabled and then it will work. |
| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | umm, does it work now, or not? |
| 20:34.03 | jiero | Since first time I reflashed the N900, I mount only extras and POWER kernel. |
| 20:34.15 | jiero | Then I found this problem... |
| 20:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me |
| 20:35.03 | jiero | DocScrutinizer: ... |
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| 20:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | installatio of powerkernel is known to break fcam-modules, see PK-FAQ #1. CSSU should not mess with camera drivers |
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| 20:39.23 | jiero | DocScrutinizer so the PK in extra devel fixed this? |
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| 20:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | I think the FAQ should tell all about it. It's just that PK doesn't come with fcam drivers, but rather fcam comes with drivers for each kernel flavour. So if you install a new kernel after fcam, you got driver mismatch -> uninstall and reinstall *all* camera related things |
| 20:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | not at all CSSU related |
| 20:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | and an age old issue, pronanly THE #1 FAQ |
| 20:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | probably* |
| 20:46.46 | luke-jr | that's pretty retarded IMO |
| 20:46.52 | luke-jr | why doesn't power kernel include fcam yet? |
| 20:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me what's up with that stuff |
| 20:48.00 | luke-jr | has included fcam in the Gentoo kernel sources for years now |
| 20:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | I never even wrapped my head around how fcam deploys matching drivers for different kernels |
| 20:48.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's basically a modified cam driver |
| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | so what? I know that |
| 20:49.00 | luke-jr | not sure what you mean by "how" then |
| 20:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | how as in.... HOW |
| 20:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install fcam -> what does it do to get the right drivers installed |
| 20:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | uname -a ? |
| 20:49.53 | luke-jr | I think it installs the modules for all of them? |
| 20:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | OUCH |
| 20:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to know what's fcam maintainers' monthly expense for Aspirin |
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| 21:47.46 | ludens | yay new CSSU |
| 21:47.55 | ludens | curious to see the changes in modest |
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| 21:48.55 | merlin1991 | it's 1 translation string and hopefully stable modest now |
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| 21:50.00 | merlin1991 | ludens: report back if your modest appreas more stable, (not only slightly but a lot more stable) |
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| 21:51.26 | ludens | i was excited about the last patch that was implemented, but it only worked faster for a short while |
| 21:51.38 | ludens | unfortunately i dont have enough battery to update now |
| 21:54.33 | ludens | merlin1991: the other day i almost threw my phone away because i was so frustrated by modest :) |
| 21:54.47 | merlin1991 | modest frustates me a lot too :D |
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| 22:01.24 | luke-jr | modest frustrates me because I never use it and yet Maemo insists on keeping it in memory… |
| 22:02.29 | ludens | it amazes me how it can freeze for so long loading something, but not putting any pressure on the CPU |
| 22:03.11 | merlin1991 | ludens: advanced engineering ;) |
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| 22:04.41 | luke-jr | ludens: Maemo is too memory-heavy. It's always busy swapping |
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| 22:07.49 | ludens | luke-jr: ah i see |
| 22:08.17 | ludens | that makes sense |
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| 22:14.46 | luke-jr | ludens: Even KDE isn't as bad IMO |
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| 22:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's mainly because way too many apps/processes are preloaded and locked to memory so they would start faster |
| 22:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | so the rest of the flock has to fight about the remaing few MB real RAM |
| 22:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | the really paradox and sad thing is that the swapping of the rest still blocks the memlocked stuff, and so everything gets slow |
| 22:52.14 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: there's just too little RAM |
| 22:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 22:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | there are too many greedy processes |
| 22:53.09 | kerio | running an optimized phone OS in little ram is ok |
| 22:53.16 | kerio | running linux is not |
| 22:53.30 | kerio | i mean, what could you do? |
| 22:54.08 | kerio | sure, switch pulseaudio with alsa and send trackerd back to the hell it belongs to |
| 22:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | e.g not implement memlocked apps in a greedy toolkit that makes "hello world" eat 20MB of RAM? |
| 22:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | and I really wonder if it's useful to have a memlocked e.g. dialer eat lots of RAM, and then wait for X to swap out the app that just runs to make space for dialer actually displaying, rather than give the RAM to X so it doesn't need to swap out and better READ the dialer from eMMC or whatever so it doesn't need to hog memeory |
| 23:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure I sound coherent here, but I have a feeling there's sth suboptimal (or rather "overoptimized") |
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| 23:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to actually go the strace * route, and watch shit hit the fan on inbound call |
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| 23:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm afraid I couldn't read thru the tracelog in a year :-P |
| 23:04.19 | SpeedEvil | Or just do it oldskool. |
| 23:04.29 | SpeedEvil | Dialer alwys displayed on a differetn virtual desktop |
| 23:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | but then browser, his dog, whatnot else is deemed as important as dialer to start up FAAAAAAST |
| 23:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | how many virual screens do we want? |
| 23:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | virtual hehe |
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| 23:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | when you optimize * to start up fast, by assigning RAM and negative niceness, in the end everything gets slow |
| 23:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | if OTOH a silly simple GUI like dialer is not built out of 947 Qt widgets, it *could* be lean |
| 23:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | and fast |
| 23:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | and stay in RAM without causing too much trouble |
| 23:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe dialer is the wrong example now, but it's randomly picked. You name it |
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| 23:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | you still recall the cheapernet congestion syndrome? when on 10B2 ethernet collisions explode and every MAC just goes into infinite retransmit mode - it feels to me as if on N900 there's a similar critical mass of running apps when everything goes boom and comes to a grinding halt all of a sudden |
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| 23:29.55 | SpeedEvil | Exactly |
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