| 00:04.00 | ds3 | the n900 is the last true device that will do what you want, not what someone else wants to shove down your throat! |
| 00:04.50 | merlin1991 | see |
| 00:04.52 | merlin1991 | ~aegis |
| 00:04.52 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 00:04.54 | ds3 | using the n900 to fly to mars might work better then the various attempts so far ;) |
| 00:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: excelling on trolling once more? |
| 00:12.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: just factgs |
| 00:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | BS, stating maemo is closed-source is a mere lie |
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| 00:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | it contains a few closed source things |
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| 00:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: latest rumour has it HARM runs just fine in open mode, with using a minimally patched kernel |
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| 00:19.10 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: latest rumoar has it that you still can't legally recover from your awesome patched kernel |
| 00:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | alas - a s you can figure - it's a bit hard for community to build that kernel without sources, so we're waiting for Nokia finally publishing the GPLed kernel source |
| 00:19.45 | merlin1991 | I maybe should be reading meego forums a lil mor :D |
| 00:20.30 | jonwil | is surprised that Nokia are taking so long to get kernel source out, they seemed to be so good about GPL complience |
| 00:21.10 | jonwil | although there IS http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/k/kernel/ |
| 00:21.12 | chem|st | luke-jr: and you still get n900s new... (at least a few days ago lmc) |
| 00:21.32 | jonwil | exactly what kernel that is I dont know |
| 00:22.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Maemo is at least as much closed as open. And nothing is 100% closed. Any degree of closed makes the whole closed, logically. |
| 00:22.47 | luke-jr | chem|st: where from? |
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| 00:23.44 | chem|st | shops... they hold that many... they even sell them.. |
| 00:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: antithesis: any degree of hackable makes the whole thing hackable |
| 00:24.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: false. |
| 00:24.44 | chem|st | just checked at least 2 say "in stock" |
| 00:25.44 | chem|st | oh so iphone/ps3/xbox are not hackable? |
| 00:26.52 | ds3 | iPhones are not useful devices. |
| 00:27.01 | ds3 | too small for doorstops, too light for a boat anchor |
| 00:27.07 | chem|st | ds3: was not talking about usefulness! |
| 00:27.31 | chem|st | ds3: you still may throw it at dumb trolls |
| 00:27.41 | chem|st | ~iphone luke-jr |
| 00:27.44 | ds3 | too light to do that |
| 00:27.49 | chem|st | damn |
| 00:27.56 | ds3 | more effectively to throw wads of paper |
| 00:28.19 | merlin1991 | ds3: trolling on a high level .P |
| 00:29.47 | Trcx | There are several hack tools available for the iphone. Not nearly as many as the n900, but there are some of the basics. Metasploit, SET, nbtscan, dsniff, etc |
| 00:29.59 | Trcx | It's the platform that I'm coming from. |
| 00:30.20 | Trcx | Looking to expand a little bit, and some google found me the N900. |
| 00:31.43 | villager | so "any degree of closed makes the whole closed, logically"... hmm... wonder if that's some new, modern kind of logic... sure would be nice if it was enough to close one of my windows while leaving the front door open, that the house would count as closed for the insurance company too, guess they're not that hip |
| 00:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | villager: hehe |
| 00:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | Trcx: when you come from iOS, you'll feel like in anarchist's paradise on N900 |
| 00:37.00 | chem|st | +1 |
| 00:37.08 | chem|st | bb |
| 00:38.23 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: unless he wants a working phone :P |
| 00:38.35 | Trcx | That sounds awesome. I really think that this is going to be my next phone. |
| 00:38.50 | Trcx | Anyone using it with sprint? |
| 00:38.53 | luke-jr | Trcx: N900 is not a phone. If you want a phone, N900 is probably not for you. |
| 00:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: then he just needs to do one thing:ignore *aou* |
| 00:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | *you* |
| 00:39.11 | luke-jr | Trcx: N900 can be used with only T-Mobile and Simple Mobile in the USA, and only 2G on AT&T |
| 00:39.20 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no u |
| 00:39.24 | Trcx | Please stop trolling |
| 00:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 00:39.33 | luke-jr | Trcx: ie, no Sprint, no Verizon, no anything else |
| 00:39.45 | luke-jr | Trcx: if the information you ask for is "trolling", then you're on your own |
| 00:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: and stop spreading publicly known facts as new that can be found on any random DSM-bands table |
| 00:41.14 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I never said it was new. He asked about using it with Sprint. |
| 00:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | oh he did? |
| 00:41.45 | Trcx | Indeed I did |
| 00:42.05 | Trcx | I should be able to put any sim in there and it should work, right? |
| 00:42.18 | luke-jr | Trcx: Sprint doesn't have SIMs. |
| 00:42.31 | luke-jr | and no, there are some SIMs (very rare) that won't work in it |
| 00:43.26 | luke-jr | (AIUI, those SIMs are only in China) |
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| 00:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N900/ seems to have all the details about supported bands. Please check with your carrier, whether verizon or whatever, for info about what bands they use |
| 00:47.41 | Trcx | I know that it won't work verizon, because they us CDMA, it looks like it supports most other GSM carriers |
| 00:48.12 | Trcx | Thank you for your assistance. |
| 00:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | Trcx: also read /topic |
| 00:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | each link is worth it |
| 00:50.18 | Trcx | Oops, missed seeing those when I joined, I'll be sure to read them, thanks. |
| 01:06.03 | luke-jr | Trcx: T-Mobile, Simple Mobile, and AT&T are the only USA GSM carriers |
| 01:06.10 | luke-jr | Trcx: N900 does not have the 3G band for AT&T |
| 01:07.44 | jonwil | if no-one cares about icd-wlan-policy, I may as well not bother writing it :P |
| 01:07.57 | Trcx | Sorry, my mistake. I though sprint offer GSM, but it turns out that it is international only. |
| 01:08.36 | luke-jr | it's a shame. I wish there was more choice. |
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| 01:33.21 | tramp | Was the irreco database taken down? |
| 01:35.58 | tramp | That's the infrared remote control app for the n900 |
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| 01:59.37 | SpeedEvil | njsf: great |
| 02:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 02:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | tramp: no idea |
| 02:02.16 | HyperSnyper | tramp > do you mean the button mapping db ? |
| 02:02.23 | HyperSnyper | it uses lirc's one i think |
| 02:02.30 | HyperSnyper | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ |
| 02:02.55 | HyperSnyper | i get an odd issue with irreco can only donwload remotes/mapping, when using wifi |
| 02:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | I always thought this strict online concept without a way to intercept was a bit strange |
| 02:03.04 | HyperSnyper | gprs shows no error but loads nothing |
| 02:03.19 | tramp | HyperSnyper: yes |
| 02:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | also way too much junk in that database |
| 02:04.08 | HyperSnyper | i use that link to add button mapping when i can only use gprs |
| 02:04.27 | HyperSnyper | i use wget to save it into the irreco dir |
| 02:04.43 | tramp | im just checking to see if i can control a tv with the n900 |
| 02:05.18 | tramp | but the irreco app doesnt seem to connect, nor can be set offline (easily) |
| 02:05.39 | HyperSnyper | you using wifi or gprs ? |
| 02:06.14 | tramp | wifi, isnt gprs strictly for gps coordinates? |
| 02:06.47 | HyperSnyper | might be a uk term |
| 02:06.48 | merlin1991 | tramp: gprs is data transfer |
| 02:06.53 | HyperSnyper | i mean "mobile internet" |
| 02:06.55 | merlin1991 | gps is the positioning thing |
| 02:07.07 | tramp | acknowledged |
| 02:07.28 | tramp | wifi only, i cancelled my service |
| 02:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | general packet radio service, or sth - colloq. "Data" |
| 02:09.06 | tramp | i just looked it up, it just takes longer with microB and 128M of ram |
| 02:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~gprs |
| 02:09.15 | infobot | gprs is, like, an abbreviation that stands for "General Packet Radio Service" which is now the ever-so-popular method for accessing the Information Super Highway through a telecommunication device, preferrably a/an EGSM/GSM transceiver which is capable of this service. There is some information on how to get this service working on your iPAQ whilst establishing a connection between your Pocket PC and this EGSM/GSM transceiver, it is located at ... |
| 02:09.30 | HyperSnyper | find the tv you want e.g > http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/sony/CMT-CP100 |
| 02:09.32 | SpeedEvil | has an ipaq somewhere. |
| 02:09.41 | SpeedEvil | broken |
| 02:09.48 | tramp | go infobot |
| 02:09.54 | HyperSnyper | then save it into > MyDocs/qtirreco/Devices |
| 02:09.54 | merlin1991 | ~infobot |
| 02:09.54 | infobot | pnutbot |
| 02:10.00 | merlin1991 | rofl |
| 02:10.05 | merlin1991 | ~gender |
| 02:10.05 | infobot | I'm female |
| 02:10.15 | merlin1991 | hm |
| 02:10.17 | merlin1991 | ~mood |
| 02:10.17 | infobot | overjoyed |
| 02:10.20 | SpeedEvil | ~species |
| 02:10.23 | merlin1991 | ~why |
| 02:10.23 | infobot | Because! |
| 02:10.28 | merlin1991 | I see |
| 02:10.46 | merlin1991 | wonders what makes infobot overjoyed |
| 02:11.02 | merlin1991 | prob to many botsnacks from doc :D |
| 02:11.12 | merlin1991 | ~botsnack |
| 02:11.12 | infobot | merlin1991: thanks |
| 02:11.13 | tramp | HyperSnyper: Is this documented anywhere? |
| 02:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 02:11.28 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 02:11.29 | HyperSnyper | my mind |
| 02:11.30 | HyperSnyper | ¬¬ |
| 02:11.49 | tramp | hehe |
| 02:12.00 | merlin1991 | come on doc, get a real gf ;) |
| 02:12.20 | tramp | I'll have to it down then as I don't have the TV with me |
| 02:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | nly if she comes with sourcecode |
| 02:13.06 | tramp | makes it easier to find her holes |
| 02:13.17 | HyperSnyper | thats just the button mappings not the premade remote configs though tramp |
| 02:13.26 | HyperSnyper | not sure where they are downloaded from |
| 02:14.08 | tramp | HyperSnyper: ok, well at least that's something |
| 02:14.09 | HyperSnyper | you will have to add buttons and assign commands within qtirreco |
| 02:14.11 | tramp | :/ |
| 02:14.25 | tramp | better than nothing. |
| 02:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | fsck qtirreco, beber worked for me |
| 02:14.47 | tramp | it looks like the app initially downloaded everything automatically |
| 02:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | never |
| 02:15.08 | luke-jr | hrm |
| 02:15.11 | HyperSnyper | the ir signal is really bad |
| 02:15.14 | luke-jr | well my GCC 4.5 kernel is working pretty good now |
| 02:15.16 | HyperSnyper | have to point directly at it |
| 02:15.17 | luke-jr | in Maemo |
| 02:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | irreco pure though was ok'ish |
| 02:15.26 | luke-jr | but if I boot Gentoo, it randomly reboots |
| 02:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep, that's mostly HW, it's over-conservative and quite messed up mechanically |
| 02:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | optically |
| 02:16.51 | HyperSnyper | was there a specific function ti was designed for ? |
| 02:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 02:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | none known |
| 02:17.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you don't have access to meego webserver, do you? |
| 02:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 02:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | I have access to a lot of webservers, but I have to deny I could get access to that one ;-D |
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| 02:18.34 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: someone needs to get them to fix their SSL cert |
| 02:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 02:41.29 | tramp | I just read that BFS can increase the performance of the n900. |
| 02:43.30 | tramp | ~cfs |
| 02:43.30 | infobot | cfs is, like, a Cryptographic Filesystem supports secure storage at the system level through a standard Unix file system interface to encrypted files. Users associate a cryptographic key with the directories they wish to protect. Files in these directories (as well as their pathname components) are transparently encrypted & decrypted with the specified key without further intervention; cleartext is never stored on a disk or sent to a remote file server. |
| 02:44.04 | Sazpaimon__ | first time starting my n900 in weeks since getting my n9 |
| 02:44.19 | Sazpaimon__ | oh how i missed ye hwkb |
| 02:44.24 | tramp | not that cfs infobot |
| 02:45.26 | SpeedEvil | Completely Fair Scheduler. |
| 02:45.36 | tramp | ~hwkb |
| 02:46.36 | tramp | I'm trying to decide whether to install kernel-bfs, or install BFS separate, or alternatively install CFS |
| 02:47.14 | Sazpaimon__ | if my n9 had a remote desktop client maybe this device would still be off |
| 02:47.58 | tramp | s/, or install BFS separate// |
| 02:48.52 | tramp | does cssu provide either of these? |
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| 03:10.47 | luke-jr | hrm, loading bq27x00_battery doesn't provide me with /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0 |
| 03:10.49 | luke-jr | any ideas? |
| 03:12.15 | ShadowJK | powerkernel or normal maemo kernel? |
| 03:13.09 | luke-jr | my own. |
| 03:13.17 | luke-jr | fremantle + 2.6.28.10 |
| 03:14.41 | ShadowJK | fremantle kernel doesn't have the things in platform files to make bq27200 attach |
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| 03:16.27 | luke-jr | i c |
| 03:16.36 | luke-jr | where are the power kernel modifications then? :o |
| 03:16.51 | luke-jr | thought it was just a different config |
| 03:17.38 | ShadowJK | nah it also has the hostmode patches, some ext4 backports, overclocking patches and lots of garbage |
| 03:17.58 | luke-jr | x.x |
| 03:18.10 | luke-jr | is this on garage somewhere or? |
| 03:19.53 | ShadowJK | nfi |
| 03:20.46 | ShadowJK | also the meego kernel's platform/board files has bq27200 stuff |
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| 04:11.16 | luke-jr | anyone know if MMC_BLOCK_BOUNCE is safe? |
| 04:11.25 | luke-jr | I'm worried it might make for inconsistencies when I crash |
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| 04:22.34 | robbiethe1st | Hey guys, I've got a windows 7 PC with a bluetooth adaptor, and I'd like to share it's internet/network connection via PAN with my N900 |
| 04:23.05 | robbiethe1st | What's the best way to get my N900 setup so that it'll work |
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| 04:28.17 | psycho_oreos | hmm nfi, have you tried searching for how to share internet through PAN generically? |
| 04:31.55 | robbiethe1st | A little |
| 04:32.23 | robbiethe1st | I ran into some fairly arcane stuff for the N900(and definitely arcane stuff for Debian) |
| 04:32.46 | robbiethe1st | But in the year since the topic was posted, I don't know if a better way's been added/found |
| 04:33.03 | SpeedEvil | I suspect PAN is little-used. |
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| 04:34.02 | jonwil | seems easier to just use WiFi hotspot |
| 04:34.21 | robbiethe1st | Likely, *sigh*. I'm trying to figure out a way to get internet on my phone at work, and I can't exactly plugin an access point |
| 04:34.48 | robbiethe1st | ad-hoc wifi *may* work, but getting w7 to do it right is hard. Also, easily detected by anyone with a wifi device nearby. |
| 04:35.25 | robbiethe1st | Bluetooth seems secure, and hidable, and most people don't mess with bluetooth on such devices, so it seems perfect |
| 04:40.21 | psycho_oreos | what about USB networking? |
| 04:42.57 | robbiethe1st | Possible, but kind of useless as I'd be tethered |
| 04:43.21 | robbiethe1st | It'd be so nice to be able to simply walk around, pull up information I need on my phone without having to walk to a PC |
| 04:43.30 | psycho_oreos | true but its both secure and setting up shouldn't be too hard |
| 04:43.48 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
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| 04:51.31 | r00t|home | i wrote a one-file solution to having a bluetooth dialin server (ppp over rfcomm) on my n900, if that's any interesting |
| 04:52.24 | r00t|home | i use it for using the phone's internet connection with my notebook |
| 04:54.01 | robbiethe1st | I don't know if that'd be useful. See, on my Debian desktop, I know I'd be able to work /something/ out. On Windows 7? Who knows. |
| 04:54.20 | r00t|home | windows, eww... |
| 04:54.31 | psycho_oreos | well I wouldn't know how to setup bluetooth PAN let alone doing it through windows. Though I'm sure setting up wireless networks through windows sholdn't be too hard |
| 04:55.07 | r00t|home | i am not using pan, just ppp over rfcomm (which you normally use to use a phone as a wireless modem) |
| 04:55.19 | r00t|home | this _should_work with windows just aswell, but i have not tried |
| 04:55.46 | robbiethe1st | Honestly? It's a lot harder than it seems. Setting up ad-hoc networking is easy. Having ICS work and /not mess with your wired connection's settings/ on the other hand... |
| 04:56.14 | psycho_oreos | heh |
| 04:57.07 | psycho_oreos | then again with windows they should provide you comprehensive help, afterall you paid for the product no? :) |
| 04:57.16 | robbiethe1st | In theory, probably |
| 04:57.23 | robbiethe1st | In reality, meh. |
| 05:02.32 | r00t|home | i find this a neat solution for sharing the connection at least... wonder if it's been done before... http://pastebin.com/e31gcMdi |
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| 06:53.14 | LaoLang_cool | Anyone heard of remind? A reminder app, website is at macroporous resin |
| 06:53.16 | LaoLang_cool | column chromatography |
| 06:53.25 | LaoLang_cool | is at http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind |
| 06:53.52 | LaoLang_cool | It doesn't have n900 port :( |
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| 10:14.40 | jonwil | YES, my custom code to log what goes on between icd2 and the icd2 wlan plugin is in place and seems to be working. |
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| 10:18.00 | cityLights | ~seen mohammadAG |
| 10:18.04 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (15h 59m 51s) #harmattan (15h 59m 51s) #meego (15h 59m 51s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 2h 30m 45s, last said: 'Pretty much seems like it'. |
| 10:18.33 | cityLights | mohammadAG: make some noise! |
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| 10:20.03 | jonwil | now all I need is an excuse to go out somewhere and get more logs :) |
| 10:20.10 | jonwil | Aha, I need bread, that can be the excuse :) |
| 10:20.36 | cityLights | did anyone wrote a google music app yet? |
| 10:21.15 | jonwil | wouldn't you need to know the google music network protocol to write one of those? |
| 10:22.04 | cityLights | guess so |
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| 10:31.56 | jonwil | this logging is telling me exactly what I wanted to know :) |
| 10:32.06 | jonwil | I think icd-wlan-policy is very much possible :) |
| 10:32.21 | jonwil | more logs are required though :P] |
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| 11:30.33 | psycho_oreos | vi___, ping |
| 11:34.01 | Shapeshifter | uh, how do I press Meta on the n900? |
| 11:34.48 | Shapeshifter | or for those emacs users: how would I do M-x slime without Meta? |
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| 11:36.25 | Sicelo | in terminal? i believe Esc is Meta |
| 11:37.32 | Shapeshifter | Sicelo: ah thanks |
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| 12:31.35 | jonwil | loves how good his libicd-network-wlan plugin logging stuff works |
| 12:32.16 | jonwil | I am getting some good log output :) |
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| 12:46.54 | merlin1991 | jonwil: how much space left on / ? ;) |
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| 13:09.33 | jonwil | these logs are going into /home/user precisely to prevent that problem |
| 13:12.26 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: ya? |
| 13:12.32 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: uh pong |
| 13:12.37 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: whatever? |
| 13:12.56 | psycho_oreos | vi___, lol checked the tmo lately or did any digging into bluetooth sniffing? |
| 13:13.07 | vi___ | Did robbie manage sharing internet over bluetooth through BT? |
| 13:13.22 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: I don't quite follow, what you on at bro? |
| 13:13.30 | psycho_oreos | don't think so, but he hasn't responded |
| 13:13.42 | psycho_oreos | vi___, gimme a moment to dig that link up |
| 13:13.51 | vi___ | I was wanting to do EXACTLY the same thing. |
| 13:14.14 | jonwil | is looking for someone who can help him get operator-name-cbs-widget into extras (extras-devel I assume at first) |
| 13:14.28 | vi___ | jonwil: what does it do? |
| 13:14.29 | merlin1991 | jonwil: what do you need? |
| 13:14.40 | psycho_oreos | vi___, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1130517#post1130517 |
| 13:14.45 | vi___ | Will it let me replace my operator name with my current ip :p |
| 13:14.46 | merlin1991 | I can write you the packaging stuff |
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| 13:15.11 | vi___ | oh that one. |
| 13:15.40 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: I have one of those very rare BT dongles that have the CSR-ram radio. |
| 13:15.42 | jonwil | its a replacement operator name applet that displays both the operator name and (optionally) the current tower name |
| 13:15.51 | psycho_oreos | all these N9 threads are pushing the interesting N900 and related stuff away lol |
| 13:16.10 | vi___ | I know, fuck n9 and the asswipe it rode in on. |
| 13:16.10 | jonwil | if the tower is sending one |
| 13:16.20 | merlin1991 | jonwil: is the original operator name applet locked by the mp-fremantle-generic-pr? |
| 13:16.27 | vi___ | jonwil cooool. |
| 13:16.27 | psycho_oreos | vi___, I have the firmware for it which might work, but you'll need to know what to do with it. I might still have the bookmark somewhere |
| 13:16.29 | jonwil | yes it is |
| 13:16.54 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: is this somthing form the backtrack forums? |
| 13:17.00 | jonwil | Currently mine is using dpkg-divert to divert the original module |
| 13:17.22 | vi___ | que? |
| 13:17.24 | psycho_oreos | vi___, the file? no but the idea came from one of the three M's creating the backtrack foundation |
| 13:18.27 | vi___ | jonwil, you are an unstoppable hack-machine. |
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| 13:19.03 | jonwil | yeah I have a habit of coming into communities and doing good things |
| 13:19.11 | vi___ | My current project is to attempt to create a flashlight app that does not blow goats. |
| 13:19.23 | vi___ | (like the rest of them do) |
| 13:20.06 | Macer | wow |
| 13:20.15 | Macer | the roundcube webmail stuff on the synology is pretty niec |
| 13:20.24 | Macer | i wish the contacts page worked a little better but still |
| 13:20.27 | jonwil | ok, so can someone help me package upoperator-name-cbs-widget for extras/extras-devel/whatever? |
| 13:20.53 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, merlin1991 initially pointed out his interest |
| 13:20.54 | psycho_oreos | :) |
| 13:21.27 | psycho_oreos | vi___, just checked my bookmark hive.. no luck there :/ |
| 13:22.00 | vi___ | lame |
| 13:22.26 | psycho_oreos | but I'll still provide you files so you can find your way from there :) |
| 13:22.37 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: you have my attention. |
| 13:23.01 | vi___ | I do have a soft spot for filez. |
| 13:23.14 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 13:24.07 | psycho_oreos | well that brings up to next question, gonna find a way to transfer the file somehow across. I suppose you want the original file? (windows executable but once extracted will provide dfu files) |
| 13:24.29 | jargon- | how come there are Angry Birds levels in Ovi, but no Angry Birds? |
| 13:24.55 | jargon- | where do i get AB for the n900? |
| 13:25.11 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: jsut email me bro. |
| 13:25.13 | psycho_oreos | it should be from Ovi shop |
| 13:25.19 | vi___ | juicedun911@gmail.com |
| 13:25.29 | psycho_oreos | vi___, alright will do so :) |
| 13:29.07 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: weird. in ovi when i search "Angry Birds" it shows me only the levels, Bird Hunter, and Lady Geek TV Episode.. |
| 13:29.28 | vi___ | jargon-: lol, I dunno. |
| 13:29.41 | vi___ | jargon-: Just steal it from teh P-Bay. |
| 13:29.46 | jargon- | :-( |
| 13:29.54 | vi___ | jargon-: maemo is no longer a supported platform. |
| 13:30.10 | jargon- | :-( |
| 13:30.25 | vi___ | jargon-: I own a sygic licence. I have to pirate it just to get it to work. |
| 13:30.38 | vi___ | Fuck 'em all. |
| 13:30.53 | jacekowski | Get an iphone |
| 13:31.00 | psycho_oreos | angry birds is free, angry birds extra levels aren't though |
| 13:31.12 | jargon- | jacekowski: i'd rather stick my balls in a blender |
| 13:31.22 | psycho_oreos | get an iphone and become an isheep.. win! |
| 13:31.35 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: it may be free but it doesn't appear in ovi |
| 13:31.49 | jacekowski | android then |
| 13:31.54 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, hmm I'll check in a second |
| 13:35.13 | psycho_oreos | vi___, permission to pm? gonna send you the password for the file (am a bit paranoid) :) |
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| 13:36.03 | jargon- | ok i think i've found the AB |
| 13:36.05 | jargon- | in ovi |
| 13:36.24 | psycho_oreos | its listed as free |
| 13:36.29 | jacekowski | encrypt it just to be safe |
| 13:36.32 | ab | you can find me on this channel as well. |
| 13:37.02 | psycho_oreos | http://store.ovi.mobi/content/23158 |
| 13:37.12 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: yep,that's the one i'm on |
| 13:37.15 | jargon- | :-) |
| 13:37.19 | psycho_oreos | I think he meant AB as in Angry Birds :) |
| 13:37.24 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, there you go :) |
| 13:38.16 | ab | psycho_oreos, as usual, xchat highliting does it in caseless manner so I get notified all the time ;) |
| 13:38.36 | ab | Angry Birds and Apache's ab are the two most popular highlites |
| 13:38.56 | psycho_oreos | vi___, bah! the file is 29 megs and it exceeds gmail's limit of 25 megs |
| 13:39.06 | jargon- | ab: oh, sorry about that lol |
| 13:39.21 | psycho_oreos | ab, heh and hence causing unnecessary attention :D |
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| 13:40.29 | ab | psycho_oreos, I would say unnecessary distructions :) |
| 13:40.34 | ab | distractions |
| 13:40.42 | psycho_oreos | ab, or that |
| 13:40.45 | ab | destructions would be too much |
| 13:42.36 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: use ifile.it |
| 13:42.45 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: permission granted! |
| 13:44.18 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: or email it in chunks! |
| 13:44.45 | psycho_oreos | vi___, was about to do email in chunks but its such a pita :) |
| 13:44.58 | psycho_oreos | going through ifile.it route now |
| 13:45.52 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: there is no sign-up required. Dont be fooled. |
| 13:46.30 | psycho_oreos | vi___, yup I have used ifile.it before |
| 13:46.47 | chem|st | MohammadAG: after a while I notice the modest hickups too, seems like in send and recieve or folder change (what includes a recieve) |
| 13:47.01 | chem|st | so a tinymail issue?! |
| 13:47.42 | jonwil | x-fade: ping |
| 13:47.51 | psycho_oreos | vi___, http://ifile.it/watyz6b |
| 13:47.56 | vi___ | http://ifile.it/watyz6b |
| 13:47.58 | jonwil | ~seen x-fade |
| 13:48.09 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 1h 12m 50s, last said: 'Yeah, trying to find out how to do that best.'. |
| 13:50.35 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: Sweet moves bro! |
| 13:50.42 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: I owe yar one. |
| 13:50.59 | psycho_oreos | vi___, no worries :) wished I had that stuff on bluetooth bookmarked |
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| 14:02.59 | psycho_oreos | vi___, ping |
| 14:03.38 | psycho_oreos | vi___, was looking for some other stuff I found a offline copy of the guide on bluetooth, here is the link: http://www.seguridadmobile.com/bluetooth/bluetooth-security/building-your-own-Bluetooth-sniffer.html |
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| 14:12.43 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (19h 54m 30s) #harmattan (19h 54m 30s) #meego (19h 54m 30s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 25m 27s, last said: 'Sorry, but looking at Nokia's situation my ass looks smarter'. |
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| 15:13.17 | RaeCarruth | hi there, does anyone have an example /etc/passwd that i might be able to look at? |
| 15:13.45 | merlin1991 | for the n900? |
| 15:15.02 | merlin1991 | RaeCarruth: http://pastebin.com/UrBj4Ba4 |
| 15:15.08 | merlin1991 | root password is maemo ;) |
| 15:15.27 | RaeCarruth | thanks |
| 15:15.47 | RaeCarruth | just out of interest has anyone here had any luck changing the default shell to bash? |
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| 15:42.59 | Phlogistique | neal: I have a friend whose Khweeteur (installed from your repository) segfaults. How can he get an execution trace? |
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| 15:45.59 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: lol wut? |
| 15:46.08 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: apt-get install bash |
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| 15:46.29 | RaeCarruth | as the default as opposed to busybox |
| 15:47.57 | jonwil | I dont think you can use bash as the system default or as /bin/sh |
| 15:48.01 | jonwil | because stuff breaks |
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| 15:48.18 | RaeCarruth | jonwil, i just found that out the hard way :( |
| 15:49.00 | RaeCarruth | how do i at least edit busybox so i don't get that annoying text everytime i start the terminal |
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| 15:55.50 | vi___ | jonwil: eh? bash is in the repository. |
| 15:56.04 | vi___ | just apt-get it. |
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| 15:56.25 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: you would probably need to re-compile BB. |
| 15:56.41 | RaeCarruth | great. |
| 15:56.59 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: come now, busy box is not such a ball breaker. |
| 15:57.28 | vi___ | Try linux mint, it comes with gnu fortune piped into cowsay everytime you start a shell. |
| 15:57.36 | vi___ | now that rips your balls. |
| 15:57.57 | RaeCarruth | if it's based on ubuntu then it's bound to be loaded with bloat/fail |
| 15:58.46 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: truth! |
| 15:59.55 | vi___ | I am pretty sure if you just install bash, set it as your shell then you will get no more BB message. |
| 16:00.06 | jonwil | is looking for people who have a N900, regularly connect to multiple WiFi networks (especially multiple WiFi networks in the same area or that overlap each other) and can grab some logs for me |
| 16:01.18 | RaeCarruth | vi___ how do i do that? |
| 16:01.38 | RaeCarruth | because the info i round online is false |
| 16:02.40 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: I may be going into an area with multiple networks next week - when I go to post somethign - would this be useful - not connecting to them though |
| 16:02.58 | jonwil | nope, I need people who connect to multiple networks |
| 16:03.10 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 16:03.19 | jonwil | I myself can see about 1/2 dozen networks around here right now |
| 16:03.23 | RaeCarruth | oh, seeings as i'm here is battery patch in any way effective? |
| 16:03.36 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: holy fucking balls no |
| 16:03.50 | RaeCarruth | i thought it sounded too good to be true |
| 16:04.01 | RaeCarruth | vi___, i'll need your help over the next hour |
| 16:04.22 | RaeCarruth | i need to reinstall all the wonderful things that allow me to take advantage of this blessed piece of hardware |
| 16:04.28 | RaeCarruth | you up for the challenge? |
| 16:04.43 | vi___ | I perhaps am... |
| 16:04.51 | RaeCarruth | i need commit. |
| 16:04.51 | vi___ | However I hhave a vry busy schedule |
| 16:04.55 | RaeCarruth | :( |
| 16:05.05 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: what country are you in? |
| 16:05.08 | RaeCarruth | uk |
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| 16:05.37 | vi___ | well so am I so perhaps I can help later in the evening. (same timezone). |
| 16:05.48 | RaeCarruth | i'd appreciate that |
| 16:06.13 | vi___ | although you knew 'buntu blows so you are most of the way there already. |
| 16:07.15 | vi___ | first of all bash isnt really that necessary. |
| 16:07.28 | vi___ | You find ash to be fairly feature complete |
| 16:07.44 | vi___ | Have you just done a reflash? |
| 16:09.02 | RaeCarruth | yah |
| 16:09.14 | RaeCarruth | i won't bother with bash if i can't use it as default |
| 16:11.29 | vi___ | the 1st thing to do after a reflash is a re-partition |
| 16:11.55 | RaeCarruth | orly? |
| 16:12.04 | vi___ | that is make /opt 5-8GB or so and reduce MyDocs. |
| 16:12.26 | RaeCarruth | how big is MyDocs by default? |
| 16:12.31 | NIN101 | ...in your opinion. |
| 16:12.33 | vi___ | 29GB |
| 16:12.45 | vi___ | NIN101: yes. In my opinion. |
| 16:12.52 | RaeCarruth | ok, what's next? |
| 16:13.04 | vi___ | after that install Backup menu |
| 16:13.20 | vi___ | after that a kernel of your choice and fapman |
| 16:13.56 | RaeCarruth | ah yes |
| 16:13.56 | RaeCarruth | i had a different kernel installed |
| 16:13.56 | RaeCarruth | can't remember which one :( |
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| 16:15.04 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: doesnt matter |
| 16:15.16 | RaeCarruth | kernel-power, is there a better option? |
| 16:15.28 | RaeCarruth | ok, what's next |
| 16:15.34 | vi___ | Not so much better, just other. |
| 16:15.43 | vi___ | but for you, probably KP |
| 16:17.25 | vi___ | That is it really. Once you have FULLY reflashed (opt+root), repartitioned, installed backup menu, enabled extra+dev repos, installed fapman, installed new kernel. |
| 16:17.32 | vi___ | You make a backup. |
| 16:17.41 | vi___ | And put it somewhere safe. |
| 16:18.14 | vi___ | You can then start setting things up as you like safe in the knowledge you have a pre-made net to land on. |
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| 16:19.06 | vi___ | from there I would start removing pre-installed crapware |
| 16:19.20 | RaeCarruth | yeah - i'll do that from fapman |
| 16:19.25 | RaeCarruth | oh |
| 16:19.26 | vi___ | cherry, amazon widget, facebook widget etc. |
| 16:19.34 | vi___ | ovi bullshit. |
| 16:19.38 | RaeCarruth | done and done and done and done |
| 16:19.57 | RaeCarruth | also, is there an office suite other than koffice that i should consider? |
| 16:20.06 | vi___ | when you have nothing left to take away. Make another backup. |
| 16:20.17 | vi___ | there is freoffice. |
| 16:20.30 | vi___ | Also the abiword+gnumeric combo |
| 16:20.45 | vi___ | Also openoffice through easy debian for the REALLY heavy lifting |
| 16:21.13 | RaeCarruth | sounds like bloat |
| 16:21.29 | vi___ | However I would be hesitant to install yer appz till you have got a fully stripped down perfect backup to full back on so in the future you have minimum to do to recover. |
| 16:21.47 | vi___ | s/full/fall/ |
| 16:22.03 | vi___ | derp infobot |
| 16:22.06 | RaeCarruth | lol |
| 16:22.19 | RaeCarruth | which repository is back up menu in? |
| 16:22.28 | vi___ | not sure |
| 16:22.49 | vi___ | just enable development+extras repos and take the newest. |
| 16:22.58 | RaeCarruth | and do you know of an sftp client? |
| 16:23.18 | Sicelo | iirc it's in robbie's private server (backupmenu) |
| 16:23.59 | vi___ | sftp...there will be somthing |
| 16:24.01 | vi___ | MC |
| 16:24.08 | RaeCarruth | midnight commander? |
| 16:24.10 | RaeCarruth | :( |
| 16:24.13 | vi___ | midnight commander/wizard mounter or somthing. |
| 16:24.21 | Sicelo | and gFTP, etc |
| 16:24.31 | RaeCarruth | gftp doesn't do sftp |
| 16:24.35 | vi___ | what he said |
| 16:24.50 | vi___ | why the hell do you want sftp anyway? |
| 16:24.58 | vi___ | SSHfs all the way |
| 16:25.14 | RaeCarruth | cos some of my pals are super paranoid and difficult |
| 16:25.25 | Sicelo | btw, backupmenu is indeedd in repos |
| 16:25.37 | Sicelo | my gFTP does sftp |
| 16:25.45 | RaeCarruth | ok |
| 16:25.51 | RaeCarruth | i need to look into that |
| 16:26.19 | RaeCarruth | thanks for your input Sicelo |
| 16:26.22 | RaeCarruth | yours too vi___ |
| 16:26.51 | vi___ | np |
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| 16:27.59 | vi___ | infinite people have helped me into linux |
| 16:28.05 | vi___ | just payin' it forward. |
| 16:29.30 | Sicelo | :) |
| 16:29.49 | Sicelo | basically i learned all my linux right on this chan |
| 16:30.06 | RaeCarruth | better to learn it here than in #ubuntu |
| 16:30.23 | merlin1991 | I've heard rtfm one time too often so I learned my linux mostly from google .D |
| 16:31.30 | Sicelo | but rtfm is useful. just yesterday i educated myself about dnsmasq though rtfm ;) |
| 16:33.40 | merlin1991 | I educated myself about loads of stuff via rtfm, but sometimes you just hate the wasted time when rtfming for 1 hr just for 1 single line that is hidden somewhere in the manual |
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| 16:35.37 | NIN101 | indeed :-). |
| 16:36.31 | RaeCarruth | which is the preferred weather app amongst you fine gentlemen? |
| 16:38.01 | merlin1991 | RaeCarruth: I believe it's hard wired into the brain, it analyses the data sent from a very sensitive input called eye |
| 16:38.09 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 16:38.25 | RaeCarruth | aren't you a comedic genius |
| 16:38.36 | RaeCarruth | does your eye also predict the weather days in advance? |
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| 16:39.23 | merlin1991 | no for that I've got an old device, it is not accurate but at least as accurate as other ways, it's called a grandmother |
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| 16:39.57 | merlin1991 | no for that I've got an old device, it is not accurate but at least as accurate as other ways, it's called a grandmother |
| 16:40.04 | merlin1991 | nah I never bothered with weather apps |
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| 16:44.01 | vi___ | RaeCarruth: I just have a link to the UK metoffice surface pressure map |
| 16:44.16 | RaeCarruth | smart |
| 16:44.26 | vi___ | I even made a widget once |
| 16:44.33 | vi___ | with queen beecon |
| 16:44.56 | vi___ | It would grab the surface pressure charts for the next 72hours (about 6 pictures) |
| 16:45.11 | vi___ | and scrape the met office web page for the synopsis. |
| 16:46.05 | vi___ | It would then display this as a large widget on a desktop. Click on the lower right to cycle forward by 12 hours, lower left for back by 12 hours and anywhere else to go back to +0 hours. |
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| 16:49.10 | vi___ | it turns out a great browser is the ultimate app/widget. |
| 16:49.22 | RaeCarruth | opera ftw. |
| 16:49.50 | vi___ | Perhaps. |
| 16:50.02 | vi___ | the KB shortcuts are still shit. |
| 16:50.51 | Sicelo | do they even work? i can't seem to use any one of them |
| 16:51.25 | vi___ | Sicelo: i dunno, i thought 'ctrl+alt+wtf on this keyboard? |
| 16:51.31 | vi___ | nae chance. |
| 16:56.29 | RST38h | Meanwhile: "An app that provides free USB tethering between your iPhone and your laptop has somehow made its way through Apple's approval process and snuck into the App Store. Cue feeding frenzy." |
| 16:56.54 | RST38h | These iPhone users and their weird pursuits never stop to amaze me |
| 16:57.06 | vi___ | free? |
| 16:57.08 | vi___ | eh? |
| 16:57.16 | vi___ | you had to pay before? |
| 16:57.41 | RaeCarruth | wouldn't surprise me |
| 16:57.57 | luke-jr | wtf is kernel-power patched on top of? :/ |
| 16:58.03 | luke-jr | it's not vanilla 2.6.28 |
| 16:58.13 | MohammadAG | vanilla PR1.3 |
| 16:58.14 | vi___ | what is vanilla? |
| 16:58.20 | MohammadAG | kernel.org |
| 16:58.21 | vi___ | it is on nok kernel |
| 16:58.39 | vi___ | I know what vanilla means, I wanted to know what luke thought it meant. |
| 16:58.40 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: can't be… the power patches includes the Nokia patches |
| 16:59.27 | MohammadAG | the fuck |
| 16:59.51 | luke-jr | and the Makefile diff changes -power to .10-power |
| 17:00.14 | luke-jr | so I guess how do I get 2.6.28-power? :/ |
| 17:00.37 | luke-jr | loves how these debian dirs don't provide any clue where the origin is |
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| 17:16.19 | vi___ | say I wanted to move my easy debian image. |
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| 17:46.33 | Jef91 | if I want to 100% wipe everything on my n900 back to factory defaults I need to flash "RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" followed by PR 1.3 right? |
| 17:47.30 | NIN101 | ~flash |
| 17:47.30 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 17:52.55 | merlin1991 | Jef91: yes and DON'T reboot inbetween |
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| 17:58.17 | RaeCarruth | ok guys, give me some of your favourite icon packs |
| 18:00.11 | Sicelo | stock :P |
| 18:00.21 | merlin1991 | :nod: |
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| 18:05.34 | RaeCarruth | i really don't like the default icon set |
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| 18:13.51 | Jef91 | anyone know if simply uninstalling uboot disables it? |
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| 18:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91: right |
| 18:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: this sequence is kinda immune against accidental intermediate reboots |
| 18:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | that'S why it's called "foolproof" |
| 18:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: sequemce rootfs+eMMC is not |
| 18:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | Jef91: no, uBoot is packed together wirh a kernel, so you need to isntall a new kernel to "uninstall" uBoot. Uninstaling uBoot most probably will brick your device |
| 18:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | ...by completely removing main kernel |
| 18:26.22 | Jef91 | well it all worked out |
| 18:26.25 | Jef91 | back to a stock n900 |
| 18:26.26 | maybeHere | kernels are overrated |
| 18:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | if that'S feasible at all |
| 18:26.31 | Jef91 | now I just gotta add the SSU back in |
| 18:26.42 | maybeHere | if a device needs a kernel to operate it's a design flaw :colbert: |
| 18:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 20:12.35 | trumee | I bought a car charger (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0043W14DI) for N900 but the bloody thing doesnt charge the phone. |
| 20:12.50 | trumee | The only thing i get is twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link 2 |
| 20:13.01 | trumee | is there any way to make it to charge N900? |
| 20:13.29 | Sicelo | short data pins |
| 20:13.52 | trumee | Sicelo: the charger isnt very accessible. |
| 20:14.22 | trumee | Is there any charger with normal usb port which works with N900? |
| 20:14.51 | Sicelo | isnt very accessible? meaning? |
| 20:15.14 | trumee | Sicelo: i cant open the charger to access the pins |
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| 20:45.42 | jacekowski | trumee: make sure it doesn't have iphone on compatibility list |
| 20:45.59 | jacekowski | trumee: if it does it's not standard usb charger and won't work |
| 20:46.10 | trumee | jacekowski: ah, ok. what compatibility should i look for? |
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| 20:46.28 | jacekowski | anything but iphone |
| 20:49.27 | Sicelo | i think it is iphone compatible. trumee, u can charge via ShadowJK's script with that charger. dunno how well recommended the whole thing is.. at least h-e-n users do use it to charge while on hostmode, while N900 compatible chargers of course cannot, due to the shorting of the data lines |
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| 20:57.35 | trumee | jacekowski: seems there is no other charger except for iphone in UK! |
| 20:58.34 | Sicelo | not surprising |
| 21:01.36 | trumee | Sicelo: i have a nice Nokia DC-10 charger but its cable is too short for my car! |
| 21:03.40 | jacekowski | trumee: i bought micro usb charger in carphone warehouse |
| 21:04.15 | trumee | jacekowski: does it have a female usb port? |
| 21:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: that's not entirely true, as there are no Y-cables that run D+/- to the "power" USB plug |
| 21:04.50 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:04.58 | jacekowski | trumee: it just has cable sticking out of it |
| 21:05.10 | jacekowski | trumee: that goes into microusb port in a phone |
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| 21:06.55 | trumee | jacekowski: i am hoping to get a charger with a usb port. Problem with a charge like yours is that cable length might be an issue. |
| 21:07.20 | trumee | jacekowski: i suppose Nokia DC-6 might be the best bet for a charger like yours |
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| 21:08.24 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: prolly bad wording for me. that's what i meant though :) |
| 21:08.42 | jacekowski | trumee: cable is long enough |
| 21:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, anyway Nokia chargers work nicely with Y-cable and hostmode-charging |
| 21:09.25 | trumee | jacekowski: crap DC-6 is also 550mA |
| 21:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | all chargers are supposed to work with charger script |
| 21:10.18 | trumee | jacekowski: is yours listed here? http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/phone-accessories/chargers-batteries/in-car-chargers |
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| 21:11.50 | jacekowski | http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/phone-accessories/chargers-batteries/in-car-chargers/buy/CPW-BUKCLA-MICRO-USB-V2 |
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| 21:14.06 | trumee | jacekowski: current on that one? |
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| 21:33.01 | trumee | will this be too stiff for the usb port of N900? http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p04160c0006d001.html |
| 21:40.03 | SpeedEvil | Seems like a bad idea |
| 21:41.33 | trumee | is there any way to find out how current is N900 is drawing while charging? |
| 21:42.05 | trumee | I have a no brand car charger which seems to charge N900, but i dont know at what rate. |
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| 21:43.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 21:43.58 | SpeedEvil | script at bottom |
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| 21:44.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter |
| 21:44.25 | SpeedEvil | ratehr |
| 21:44.39 | SpeedEvil | with screen off, and idle, it's mostly accuarate |
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| 21:50.25 | luke-jr | has soldered his USB port down |
| 21:51.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:51.43 | wmarone | hmm |
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| 22:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | pro trick: switch off charging for a short while, so N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter will tell you the consumption of device's system, then re-enable charging and att this value on top of whatN900_Hardware_Charge_Meter tells you about current going into battery, and you get the USB current |
| 22:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | s/att/add/ |
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| 22:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | of course after doing: <value> / Vbat * VBUS(5V). So roughly * 1.25 |
| 22:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | err, /VBUS * Vbat |
| 22:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | so /1.25 |
| 22:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | higher voltage on USB -> current is lower |
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| 22:16.45 | luke-jr | so… partitioning my new uSD… any reason to put swap first or last on it? |
| 22:16.59 | luke-jr | I'm inclined to put it last so when it destroys the card, the boot sector is unaffected |
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| 22:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | yes, you want VFAT first, if anything |
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| 22:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | my card looks like 12GB VFAT, 3GB ext3 (rootfs), 1GB swap |
| 22:24.21 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: eh, I don't want vfat at all O.o |
| 22:24.37 | trumee | ok, took the plunge and shorted the D+ and D- cables, now the charger works |
| 22:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | sure, why not |
| 22:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: then you probably won't care much about stacking of partitions |
| 22:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | some MMC controllers in catd might take assumptions about location of FAT table(s) though |
| 22:26.55 | luke-jr | makes a 5 GB vfat just in case |
| 22:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/catd/card/ |
| 22:27.12 | luke-jr | 5 GB vfat + 25 GB ext2 + 1.2 GB free + 765 MB swap |
| 22:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, should allow to even boot a PC from card, when inserted into USB-stick cardreader |
| 22:28.03 | luke-jr | so since I just stupidly wrote this before checking… what's the standard partition type for vfat? :x |
| 22:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | err wut |
| 22:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | numeric type? |
| 22:29.32 | luke-jr | 0b or 0c ? |
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| 22:30.47 | luke-jr | wtf @ "Linux Partition Howto": "DR-DOS used 0x81 to indicate protected FAT partitions, creating a type clash with Linux/Minix at that time, but neither Linux/Minix nor DR-DOS are widely used any more." |
| 22:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | 0C |
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| 22:31.54 | luke-jr | and the free space is for my new swap once I destroy the end of the uSD… safe? :P |
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| 22:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: sounds good, yeah |
| 22:34.13 | luke-jr | anything saner than ext2 for Linux? |
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| 22:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | for unclear reasons everybody likes ext3 for that |
| 22:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | might provide better buffering |
| 22:35.14 | luke-jr | won't the out-of-order writing cause chaos for ext3? |
| 22:35.43 | luke-jr | if only ext4-without-journal was viable on N900… :/ |
| 22:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | I heard it is and performs nicely, on powerkernel |
| 22:37.03 | luke-jr | oh, they backported the journalless feature? O.o |
| 22:37.18 | luke-jr | still, I'm too chicken to try it on such an old kernel |
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| 22:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | ooops I missed the -without-journal part |
| 22:42.05 | luke-jr | power kernel also has some MMC-write buffering thing, which makes a journal even more scary ; |
| 22:42.06 | luke-jr | :p |
| 22:43.03 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, which is the charging current, http://www.pastie.org/2941219 ? |
| 22:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | 0x15 - 0x14: 2215 AI Average Current High - Low Byte 3.57 µV (1) R |
| 22:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:45.35 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, seems my wall charger charges at a low rate then |
| 22:45.41 | luke-jr | still can't get the charge script to work |
| 22:46.06 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it's charging: 1 CHGS Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging. |
| 22:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | 0x09 - 0x08: 4138 VOLT Reported Voltage High - Low Byte mV R |
| 22:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | looks sane for a almost charged battery |
| 22:47.28 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, yup battery is almost charged |
| 22:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | 0x2C: 84 CSOC Compensated State-of-Charge % R |
| 22:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:48.46 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, will test this with two car chargers i have later on. |
| 22:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | you won't possibly see higher charge currents with a battery that charged, no matter what'S the charger |
| 22:50.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, ok. i will let the battery discharge for some time before i test it out |
| 22:51.00 | trumee | My main intention is to use 3g + gps in the car which eats the battery |
| 22:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | yu'll need a 1A+ charger for that |
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| 22:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | I've never seen a USB charger that couldn't do 1A |
| 22:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, CA-157 |
| 22:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 22:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | err CA-146C |
| 22:54.18 | luke-jr | does power42 actually have working kexec? |
| 22:54.40 | NIN102 | I don't think so. |
| 22:54.52 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 22:54.55 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0043W14DI is what i have |
| 22:55.09 | luke-jr | anyone here involved with power kernel? |
| 22:55.18 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, says 1A on it. |
| 22:55.20 | luke-jr | or know where to find the pre-patch version it's based on? |
| 22:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | errr, isn't it based on maemo kernel? |
| 22:57.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, isn't CA-146C energy inefficient? |
| 22:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: yep, just probably needs D+/- short, or a cable/adapter doing that for you |
| 22:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | CA-146, well it's "nice" but weak |
| 22:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | seems to deliver no more than maybe 500mA |
| 22:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | and yes it gets a bit hot on doing so |
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| 22:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | for constant charging or when in a pinch it's ok'ish though |
| 22:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | at least as fast as a laptop USB port |
| 23:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | actually fastcharge is vastly overrated |
| 23:00.24 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no, power kernel has the maemo patches split up as part of its own patch-set |
| 23:00.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the prepatched source has EXTRAVERSION=power :/ |
| 23:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, then it bases on vanilla like maemo kernel, no? |
| 23:01.00 | luke-jr | no, vanilla doesn't have EXTRAVERSION=power |
| 23:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me. I'm no expert here either |
| 23:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | I just know our hostmode kenel based on vanilla, with maemo patches and our own hm-patches on top |
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