| 00:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why it obviously was too difficult for Nokia's maemo-devels to come up with sth that might be called powerps |
| 00:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | simply adding up measured resp estimated power (actually energy) consumption per process |
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| 00:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | powertop was another good name, but wait, there's such a thing and it doesn't exactly that |
| 00:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | OK, for some details (like data transfer via modem) the algo to estimate is maybe a bit tricky, but not at all impracticable |
| 00:05.41 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: do you know whether there is a difference in using opera to microb when it comes to browsing? |
| 00:05.49 | mikki-kun | in regards of power |
| 00:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | don't think so |
| 00:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | if any, then I'd guess microb is doing better |
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| 00:06.46 | mikki-kun | just came to my mind that maybe using another browser might as well give some small benefit as some can be extremely powerhungry *points to fennec* |
| 00:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | but microb also can go nuts when a flashpage is running |
| 00:07.03 | tramp | It connects! |
| 00:07.05 | SpeedEvil | I recommend cpu-mem applet |
| 00:07.12 | SpeedEvil | Knowing what's pinning the CPU is handy |
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| 00:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely mandatory |
| 00:07.50 | tramp | i really with n900 browser |
| 00:07.54 | tramp | was better |
| 00:08.00 | SpeedEvil | Also - in general - if something is lagging - then it's either using lots of CPU, or swapping, and maybe using lots of power that way |
| 00:08.12 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: doesn't nearly everything kinda pin the cpu on the n900? :/ |
| 00:08.12 | tramp | i really wish n900 browser was better |
| 00:08.37 | tramp | no |
| 00:08.50 | mikki-kun | it is strong yeah, but somehow i cannot understand why at times it pins itself to death |
| 00:08.55 | tramp | not if you use irssi, midnight commander, and mutt |
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| 00:09.30 | mikki-kun | tramp: midnight commander? what for if i have a full xterm? =p |
| 00:09.47 | tramp | mikki-kun: heh touche |
| 00:10.05 | mikki-kun | but tbh, using the terminal on the n900 is at times awkward |
| 00:10.26 | tramp | yeah thats why i said it |
| 00:10.38 | mikki-kun | missing alt and other keys doesn't make it simple |
| 00:10.55 | tramp | its panoramic view without a whole lot of taps |
| 00:11.26 | mikki-kun | i just recently came up with an idea of a pseudo-scrollable bar with special characters (an idea, didn't implement it) |
| 00:11.36 | tramp | i rebound my kbd to include all programming and shell symbols |
| 00:11.59 | mikki-kun | the bar i am refering to is the one which comes up per default in xterm |
| 00:12.08 | tramp | nice |
| 00:12.23 | tramp | i just want a bluetooth kbd and mouse |
| 00:12.28 | mikki-kun | ohhh and using xkb_enter or whatever it is on maemo is actually not a good idea |
| 00:12.55 | tramp | xkb_enter? why? |
| 00:13.13 | mikki-kun | whoever at nokia came up with that should lay of the alcohol... it breaks some programs |
| 00:13.43 | tramp | is that the fix for the enter problem when using an ext kbd? |
| 00:13.48 | mikki-kun | e.g. i used a year ago uzbl and i as it got the key-code "xkb_enter" i wasn't able to "return" my values to it |
| 00:14.23 | tramp | what |
| 00:15.07 | mikki-kun | tramp: ohhh, sorry, it was KP_ENTER |
| 00:15.12 | mikki-kun | i remebered it somehwat wrong :/ |
| 00:15.16 | tramp | oh, i was to get my phone to work as a network adapter, but the dns still isnt working |
| 00:15.45 | tramp | hmm, still not sure what it is |
| 00:16.07 | mikki-kun | when you use the enter key on the n900 it doesn't return just ENTER, but KP_ENTER (at least according to mplayer that is the key-code being returned when pressing enter) |
| 00:17.22 | tramp | so its the fix for the external kbd problem |
| 00:17.57 | nox- | i think the enter bug is fixed in cssu, else there also is a workaround: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009#c27 |
| 00:17.58 | povbot | 04Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications |
| 00:23.15 | tramp | interesting |
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| 00:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: been fixed in cssu since very beginning |
| 00:24.02 | nox- | :) |
| 00:24.24 | tramp | going down to figure out why dns isnt resolving |
| 00:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | tramp: where? |
| 00:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | when? |
| 00:30.26 | tramp | argh i need to setup my n900 irc notifier again |
| 00:31.29 | tramp | i was able to connect to my n900 and use it like a network adapter, but theres still no dns |
| 00:33.46 | mikki-kun | hm, is there a possibility to get a dump of the current kb-setup in which i can see what key has which function? |
| 00:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | since when do "network adapters" DNS? |
| 00:39.45 | tramp | well, i think it also acts as the gateway, dhcp server and dns |
| 00:40.07 | tramp | so iguess its better called "like a router" |
| 00:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
| 00:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: less +"/partial alphanumeric_keys" /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 |
| 00:43.06 | tramp | decide whether you want extkbd before you modify it |
| 00:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: rather -> less +"/// 1. row" /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 |
| 00:43.48 | tramp | extkbd overwrites it |
| 00:44.27 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: from there i should modify then the "base" language and of course then my localization, right? |
| 00:44.42 | mikki-kun | tramp: thanks for reminding me of that, i read it but totally forgot :) |
| 00:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | see wiki URL |
| 00:44.52 | mikki-kun | but it's unlikely i will get one |
| 00:45.08 | tramp | i figured that out first hand |
| 00:45.45 | tramp | i say get it anyway, it doesnt really get in the way and you might change your mind |
| 00:46.17 | tramp | rebuilding your rx-51 from scratch is less fun |
| 00:47.32 | mikki-kun | seems i will have some coding and reading to do the next days :) now i know where to read and what my goal is :) |
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| 00:48.02 | mikki-kun | man, even after all this time i still find new stuff to do... *sigh* linux, y u so awesome?! |
| 00:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 00:48.48 | tramp | you should give it your money |
| 00:49.15 | mikki-kun | tramp: whom? i already paid nokia =p |
| 00:49.43 | tramp | i dont know, theyre all scattered like a rebel force |
| 00:50.36 | tramp | great for being a ninja, but it makes financial planning more difficult |
| 00:51.46 | tramp | i know, hire ppl in india for $30 to contribute on freelancer.org |
| 00:54.21 | tramp | going down to troubleshoot dns |
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| 02:17.37 | luke-jr | ugh, N900 firmwares not legally redistributable still? |
| 02:17.42 | luke-jr | or did MeeGo at least get that licensed? |
| 02:30.47 | jonwil | which firmware would that be? |
| 02:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, think the 3rd-party stuff is the issue. |
| 02:33.19 | GeneralAntilles | Be nice if Nokia'd roll a Flash-free release, though. |
| 02:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | codecs |
| 02:34.23 | luke-jr | jonwil: wl1251? |
| 02:34.42 | luke-jr | cameras |
| 02:34.47 | luke-jr | etc |
| 02:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | umm camera, yep |
| 02:35.25 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: wtf is with third parties that release GPL'd driver, but no firmware at all? :/ |
| 02:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | probably also riddled by IP issues of cam module manuf |
| 02:35.36 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: TI themselves wrote a GPL'd wl1251 driver |
| 02:35.48 | GeneralAntilles | FCC? |
| 02:35.59 | luke-jr | nonsense |
| 02:36.10 | luke-jr | I'm not talking about firmware source |
| 02:36.13 | luke-jr | just the firmware binary itself |
| 02:36.27 | luke-jr | and the whole "FCC" excuse has proven to be a non-issue with athXk, etc |
| 02:36.35 | GeneralAntilles | shrugs. |
| 02:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | TI has generally worked in good faith with Open Source. |
| 02:36.53 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm sure they have a reason. |
| 02:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | it's questionable why it can't be redistributed, cause it can't get used for anything but the chip it was made for anyway |
| 02:37.28 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: LOL, most TI stuff I've seen has been closed closed closed where possible |
| 02:37.28 | jonwil | wl1251 firmware for N900 IS redistributable via meego |
| 02:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should send a letter to TI's legal department. |
| 02:37.31 | jonwil | its in the meego repos |
| 02:37.34 | luke-jr | jonwil: link? |
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| 02:38.52 | luke-jr | I saw someone commit it to MeeGo, but I couldn't find any citation legalizing it |
| 02:39.12 | jonwil | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900 has all the firmwares and things for the N900 |
| 02:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you're free to download original maemo fiasco and extract all the firmware you like |
| 02:39.15 | jonwil | bluetooth,c amera, wifi |
| 02:39.18 | godtrunks | Hy, when i start camera i have a error, internal error and after it close |
| 02:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you don't redistribute |
| 02:39.40 | godtrunks | What should i do?? |
| 02:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | reinstall fcam |
| 02:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | RTFM of powerkernel (I bet you got both) |
| 02:41.26 | godtrunks | I reinstall fcam but now the cover sensor is not working... |
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| 02:42.04 | njsf | Hi all |
| 02:42.15 | njsf | Anybody know how to troubleshoot gps issues? |
| 02:42.36 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a SIM in? |
| 02:42.38 | njsf | I though some extras-devel had messed up my gps but after a re-flash |
| 02:42.39 | njsf | yes |
| 02:42.47 | godtrunks | What should i do?? |
| 02:42.48 | njsf | it still does not get a fix |
| 02:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Are you outside naked under the moon, facing north? |
| 02:43.19 | njsf | SpeedEvil: are you talking to me? |
| 02:43.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not practical for automated ebuilds |
| 02:43.28 | SpeedEvil | Or at least do you have a clear view of most of the sky, without any possibly GPS reflecting windows in between you and it. |
| 02:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: change supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com |
| 02:44.05 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: you said it wrong he has to be outside naked under the moon facing north standing on 1 leg sining the acient gps lock song |
| 02:44.07 | njsf | not right now, but if you tell me the commands for me to check whether it is a soft or hw failure I'd appreciate |
| 02:44.24 | njsf | not in the mood guys |
| 02:44.47 | merlin1991 | njsf try what doc said |
| 02:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: ^^^ |
| 02:45.03 | njsf | ok will do |
| 02:45.08 | njsf | besides that |
| 02:45.21 | godtrunks | So, what should i do with that camera error?? |
| 02:45.22 | njsf | any process I should be looking for for the fix to be happening |
| 02:45.34 | njsf | any dbus messages I should "listen" to |
| 02:45.55 | njsf | any diagnose progs on extras-devel or testing ? |
| 02:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks: it's FAQ #1 on powerkernel, look there please |
| 02:46.31 | SpeedEvil | njsf: http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/ |
| 02:46.32 | SpeedEvil | get that |
| 02:47.00 | godtrunks | How? |
| 02:47.01 | njsf | ok as soon as my restore finishes |
| 02:47.31 | njsf | I tried maps before restoring anything to be sure |
| 02:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | sane approach |
| 02:47.53 | njsf | it wasn't any of the added packages |
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| 02:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | nah, supl.nokia.com known to act up lately |
| 02:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | seems it expired its "best before" date |
| 02:48.52 | SpeedEvil | In addition, putting your device where you know it has a good view of the sky (some windows obscure GPS) for 14 min, may give you lock. |
| 02:48.53 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 02:48.58 | SpeedEvil | And check you have date set. |
| 02:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 02:49.07 | SpeedEvil | If it's set to 2009, it takes _ages_ to lock |
| 02:49.44 | njsf | date is proper |
| 02:49.58 | njsf | hmmm you say up to 14m ? |
| 02:50.10 | njsf | ok, I'll be more patient then |
| 02:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | should work instantly with SIM and supl.google.com and coreect date/time and internet connection |
| 02:51.04 | SpeedEvil | The GPS 'cycle' is 12.5 min for all data. |
| 02:51.08 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 02:51.29 | njsf | btw, I "restored" to 21.2011.38 |
| 02:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | if AGPS enabled and under clear sky (not indoors at window) |
| 02:51.34 | SpeedEvil | godtrunks: and install the tools repo - temporarily to install location-test |
| 02:52.00 | njsf | do you thing I should first test reflashing 20.2010.36 ? |
| 02:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 02:52.25 | SpeedEvil | cellmo firmware is involved in gps |
| 02:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | 21.2011.38 is latest |
| 02:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.3.1 |
| 02:53.35 | njsf | well not from the tablet-dev, had to use navifirm to get it... |
| 02:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 02:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | friggin navifirm, friggin Nokia fileserver, fsckng policy |
| 02:54.44 | merlin1991 | 20.2010.36 vs 21.2011.38 is only 4 packages, and none of that involves cellmo or anything gps related |
| 02:54.51 | merlin1991 | it's just the certificates + the applet for them |
| 02:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | fix supl! |
| 02:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | no need to fix one problem with 5 patches |
| 02:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | if fixing supl doesn't help, you come back and ask for further advice how to jump on your left foot ;-D |
| 02:56.28 | njsf | funny thing is that I had tested with supl.google.com before and that also failed to get a fix |
| 02:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, |
| 02:56.54 | njsf | sure, probably only tomorrow |
| 02:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | check all the prerequisites as listed above: supl, date, SIM, internet, AGPS enabled |
| 02:57.32 | njsf | yes, will do |
| 02:57.45 | njsf | will also instal location-test-gui |
| 02:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | yes, strongly recommended |
| 02:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | best tool to check what's actiually going on |
| 02:58.23 | luke-jr | stabs MeeGo for having a bad SSL cert and no non-HTTPS |
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| 02:59.19 | tramp | Just reporting, full internet access from pc through n900 |
| 02:59.23 | tramp | Yeah! |
| 03:00.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:00.46 | tramp | A few routing hunches and an /etc/network/interfaces touch |
| 03:01.25 | tramp | ^^ |
| 03:01.44 | tramp | how is your thing going SpeedEvil |
| 03:02.35 | SpeedEvil | thing? |
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| 03:03.09 | tramp | yeah, your ..doodad |
| 03:03.33 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 03:04.40 | tramp | lol are you working on something |
| 03:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | wow, CAcert.org spamming me |
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| 03:17.31 | njsf | which kernel is more stable ? bfs or power ? |
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| 03:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | power |
| 03:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | it's questionable if brainfuckscheduler brings any improvement at all |
| 03:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it's based on powerkernel |
| 03:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | and, given the fact it's only the *policy* of task scheduler all this is about, I'm pretty puzzled you obviously can't switch this policy on the fly to establish BFS policy on your kernel, in linux |
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| 04:34.22 | njsf | ahhh progress... |
| 04:34.38 | njsf | with supl.google.com I at least get the AGPS fix, which I was not getting before |
| 04:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 04:34.58 | njsf | I am indoors, so that will suffice as success for tonight |
| 04:35.13 | njsf | thanks for the help DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil |
| 04:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, what else would you want? |
| 04:35.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 04:35.40 | njsf | I remember that it used to get a proper GPS fix in the window I tried it on now |
| 04:35.46 | njsf | but I was not too patient :D |
| 04:36.04 | njsf | I am just puzzled why previously even with supl.google.com it failed |
| 04:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | an AGPS fix *is* a "proper GPS fix" |
| 04:36.15 | njsf | maybe I did also have a package snafu |
| 04:36.49 | njsf | ok, let me rephrase: a satellite GPS fix |
| 04:37.02 | njsf | the fix I got was of the cell tower ;) |
| 04:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | AGPS is sattelite based |
| 04:38.01 | njsf | I thought AGPS would take cell tower when GPS staellite was missing |
| 04:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 04:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | it takes cell towers for a first rough guestimate about continent you're on |
| 04:39.10 | njsf | then my fix is way off by 6 blocks ;) |
| 04:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | then fetches GPS efem/alm data for that time&location from supl, and looks for just those sats that are supposed to be there |
| 04:39.26 | njsf | where I *know* there is a cell tower, #just-sayin |
| 04:39.55 | njsf | but anyway it is way better than before |
| 04:40.07 | njsf | now on to actually restore stuff as it was... |
| 04:40.13 | njsf | thanks again |
| 04:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | in liblocation test gui you can watch the sats with CNR and if they're used or not |
| 04:40.26 | njsf | (if only the USPS had not lost my N9...) |
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| 04:46.53 | ShadowJK | Most apps accept the no-gps location fixes. The location system *does* tell apps about the expected accuracy. With pure cell positioning without network access, this works about to 600km for me (baically just says which country |
| 04:48.08 | ShadowJK | Then a server is queried, the server has a database of cell towers and their guesstimated ranges, so that narrows it down to 1000-20000m |
| 04:49.18 | ShadowJK | location-test-ui is cool, because it draws the estimated accuracy as a circle when you tap map :-) |
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| 04:50.56 | Kosan | Could some of you perhaps help me with this? |
| 04:50.57 | Kosan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80434 |
| 04:51.26 | Kosan | They told me to flash the eMMC but I'm having trouble doing that too... |
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| 04:56.25 | wmarone | just a note, you may have to idle for a bit |
| 04:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: duh, I just realized why my prev tests seemed to indicate that the GPS TTFF proper moved with SIM card from one phone to other, while the SIMless one failed: time ;-D |
| 04:56.35 | wmarone | can't help as he hasn't reflashed in a year |
| 04:59.08 | ShadowJK | I seem to remember last time I tried to flash both, it didn't work when I tried to do both without unplugging in between |
| 04:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: anyway select Method:AGNSS in Location test app, then start, watch sat count go up (used/seen) |
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| 05:00.38 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 05:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | I just tested with a N900 without SIM -> found sats and got fix in like 60s, only after I set correct date/time. Without that it finds bogus sats and never gets a fix |
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| 05:01.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ironic, since GPS broadcasts date/time constantly. |
| 05:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 05:01.51 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: but are you sure the N900 hadn't cached the sat data from before? |
| 05:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 05:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | as this device never seen a GPS fix for last 3 months |
| 05:02.28 | psycho_oreos | what if a SIM-less N900 is associated to the wireless network and user running maps software? would it also take forever to get a lock on? |
| 05:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | not with supl.google.com and correct time, and free sight to sky, and... duh I forgot |
| 05:03.34 | psycho_oreos | hmm crap |
| 05:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | aah, and access to internet |
| 05:04.13 | psycho_oreos | guess I'll have to retry, I did it on a gloomy day, same supl server (google.com) and time is very close to the local time. |
| 05:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | without supl/internet/AGPS-enabled it will take quite a bit longer but will still get a fix eventually |
| 05:05.05 | ShadowJK | btw there's a tool to clear cached data, qgil posted it to bmo or tmo |
| 05:05.07 | psycho_oreos | nah it has wireless access and internet access but it still took forever to get a lock on |
| 05:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | and yeah I placed it outside on the window board |
| 05:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | indoor result is *very* random, depending on your building |
| 05:09.04 | psycho_oreos | my other N900 did get a lock on. Both are associated to wireless and have SIM card in them. One of them has wireless broadband access and the other doesn't. It seems like the one with wireless broadband access and a SIM card never used the wireless broadband to get a lock on |
| 05:09.07 | luke-jr | got pretty good GPS indoors at his last house, and none here. |
| 05:12.09 | ShadowJK | I get worse indoor results after the new gps constellation |
| 05:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: pretty much possible, sometimes GSM provides even better supl data than supl |
| 05:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-gps |
| 05:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~gsm-agps |
| 05:12.30 | infobot | rumour has it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 05:12.41 | ShadowJK | not as many in view simultaneously anymore coupled with only westward view of sky from indoors |
| 05:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I moved from top flat one floor down same house, and now no more GPS indoors |
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| 05:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | despite this flat has larger windows |
| 05:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | seems the roof with stone roof tiles was not that much of a blocker for the 1.5GHz GPS signal |
| 05:20.55 | SpeedEvil | depends if it's damp or not. |
| 05:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | ooh yes |
| 05:21.06 | SpeedEvil | dry tiles and damp ones |
| 05:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | was in summer |
| 05:21.58 | Kosan | Gah will someone please help? My phone is all messed up and I need to flash the eMMC |
| 05:21.58 | Kosan | but I can't do it right... |
| 05:22.14 | luke-jr | Kosan: just warranty it and get an E7 |
| 05:22.30 | *** join/#maemo DocScrutinizer (~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 05:26.04 | Macer | heh |
| 05:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | tzztzz, 90s offline and luke-jr trolls |
| 05:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 05:26.25 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 05:26.26 | Macer | how much are e7s now? hit $200 yet? |
| 05:28.16 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's cuz he called it a phone :P |
| 05:28.22 | Sicelo | tramp: \O/ |
| 05:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | well, an offense, but actually I don't agree on "it's no phone". I'd agree on "It's more than just a phone" though |
| 05:31.19 | luke-jr | my position is more of "it's not a mere phone" |
| 05:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, anyway if it was no phone at all, I'd bash Nokia 3 times around the globe for placing the GSM ant where it is |
| 05:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | optimal for phone usage, a PITA when holding the device for typing on IRC |
| 05:34.01 | luke-jr | you should do that anyway. |
| 05:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 05:35.30 | Macer | if you put gentoo on it it's not a phone :-P |
| 05:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-P |
| 05:35.55 | Kosan | I flashed the firmware and immediatly flashed the eMMC but it gets stuck on "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and a frozen loading thing on my N900 |
| 05:35.59 | Kosan | What the fuck. ;c |
| 05:36.14 | Macer | Kosan: try on a linux machine as root |
| 05:36.22 | Kosan | Guh.. |
| 05:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 05:36.25 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 05:36.32 | Macer | i had problems getting it to work on a windows machine |
| 05:36.49 | Kosan | I don't really have the time to do this.. |
| 05:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: so why are you wasting *our* time? |
| 05:37.13 | Macer | get an e7 like luke-jr said :) |
| 05:37.21 | Kosan | Why |
| 05:37.21 | Kosan | how |
| 05:37.50 | Kosan | The screen res looks shit |
| 05:38.02 | Kosan | I might as well just use my half-broken HTC Desire Z then. |
| 05:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | ok, one more and I feel kick-happy |
| 05:38.18 | Macer | lol |
| 05:38.24 | Macer | my desire z broke too |
| 05:38.31 | Macer | i had to order a new ribbon cable |
| 05:38.37 | Macer | and housing |
| 05:38.41 | Macer | what a pos |
| 05:38.42 | Kosan | My flash and on/off switch broke |
| 05:38.47 | Kosan | my lens is scratched to shit |
| 05:38.53 | Macer | ouch |
| 05:38.59 | Macer | htc is garbage anyways |
| 05:39.01 | SpeedEvil | The lenscover is a feature I really like on the n900 |
| 05:39.11 | Macer | i dont think they ever made a good quality phone |
| 05:39.21 | Kosan | I know this has got to do with the permissions on the eMMC |
| 05:39.31 | Kosan | Theres got to be a way to change it on the N900. |
| 05:39.59 | Macer | permissions on the emmc? |
| 05:40.06 | Kosan | I don't even know. |
| 05:40.11 | Kosan | God damnit ;__; |
| 05:40.26 | Kosan | Basically everytime I boot it like resets the icons and widgets and stuff |
| 05:40.37 | Kosan | and resets it when I change them |
| 05:40.38 | Macer | well. i know i had issues flashing on a windows box |
| 05:40.56 | Kosan | I can't even use Linux |
| 05:40.59 | ShadowJK | I'd try the usual, reboot computer, try different usb ports, etc |
| 05:41.05 | wmarone | Kosan: that makes me think your fat3 partition is read only |
| 05:41.09 | wmarone | err |
| 05:41.10 | wmarone | ext3 |
| 05:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | would you pretty please bother to read the fine instructive wiki howto about flashing at |
| 05:41.15 | wmarone | scrubs brain |
| 05:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 05:41.16 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 05:41.17 | Kosan | I DID |
| 05:41.19 | Kosan | I READ IT |
| 05:41.27 | Kosan | ):< |
| 05:41.28 | Sicelo | eh |
| 05:41.42 | kerio | your frowny face is upside-down, dude |
| 05:41.43 | ShadowJK | that page is so messy and confusing even I can't make sense of it |
| 05:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 05:42.26 | Sicelo | why u can't use linux? |
| 05:42.35 | Kosan | Because I don't know how to use it right. |
| 05:42.55 | Kosan | The quickest way I guess would be to install Ubuntu on a flash drive. |
| 05:42.59 | Macer | heh. i dont understand why nokia doesnt still have the flashing utility |
| 05:43.07 | Kosan | But then it would get even more confusing for me |
| 05:43.13 | Macer | they make you use this retarded nokia software now |
| 05:43.14 | Kosan | trying to flash it from an OS I don't know how to use |
| 05:43.22 | Sicelo | u don't need to know it so well for this |
| 05:43.33 | Macer | Kosan: download an ubuntu cd and boot from it live |
| 05:43.40 | Macer | and follow the page ;) |
| 05:43.42 | Sicelo | get a live distro, debian based |
| 05:43.50 | Sicelo | oh :) |
| 05:44.06 | Kosan | Or maybe use Wubi. |
| 05:44.11 | Macer | i know for sure kubuntu does it |
| 05:44.14 | Kosan | That would probably be quicker |
| 05:44.21 | Macer | maybe |
| 05:44.23 | Kosan | Since I really don't care about this shitty ASUS laptop. |
| 05:44.31 | Macer | all you need to do is go to a shell and type like 3 commands |
| 05:44.40 | Macer | personally i love kde and kubuntu |
| 05:44.47 | Macer | but to each their own :) |
| 05:44.52 | Kosan | I liked Linux Mint Debian Edition |
| 05:45.00 | Kosan | but it was a pain to configure for my ThinkPad X61 Table |
| 05:45.01 | Kosan | t |
| 05:45.16 | Macer | bonus points if you use a distro based on hurd |
| 05:45.20 | Macer | hahaha |
| 05:45.30 | Sicelo | u can flash from that. resolution doesn't matter |
| 05:45.51 | Macer | jk. hurd would probably not work :) |
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| 05:46.05 | Kosan | Great now another hour of waiting for Ubuntu to download. |
| 05:46.07 | Sicelo | i meant Mint Debian edition :) |
| 05:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | when a user is afraid of touching linux, well... maybe N900 isn't exactly the right device then |
| 05:46.31 | Kosan | I'm not afraid of touching linux |
| 05:46.35 | Kosan | I'm just in a foul mood |
| 05:46.40 | Sicelo | where's your mint isos now? |
| 05:46.49 | Kosan | On my desktop 1200 miles away |
| 05:46.59 | Sicelo | heh |
| 05:47.03 | Macer | an hour? |
| 05:47.11 | Kosan | Yes |
| 05:47.14 | Kosan | An hour. |
| 05:47.25 | Macer | crappy internet? :) |
| 05:47.28 | Kosan | Oh yeah. |
| 05:47.33 | Kosan | Very crappy. |
| 05:47.47 | Macer | go eat brunch |
| 05:47.47 | Kosan | Jeez |
| 05:47.49 | Sicelo | still better.. took me 2 1/2 days to download a 700MB knoppix iso :P |
| 05:48.04 | Kosan | I'm tempted to go on verizon with the Motorola Droid I found now. |
| 05:48.06 | Kosan | ):< |
| 05:48.24 | Macer | lol |
| 05:48.35 | Macer | then do it ;) can i buy your n900? |
| 05:48.42 | Kosan | But I love that Transflective display on my N900 too much.. |
| 05:48.46 | Macer | i have $20 |
| 05:48.52 | Kosan | lol nope. |
| 05:49.15 | Kosan | Honestly wish I had the money for a Samsung Galaxy note |
| 05:49.16 | Macer | transflective? |
| 05:49.18 | Kosan | Yes |
| 05:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 05:49.25 | Macer | a buddy of mine wants a note |
| 05:49.31 | Macer | is that thing a phone? |
| 05:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | or transflexive |
| 05:49.38 | Kosan | Yes |
| 05:49.39 | Macer | seems a bit on the large side |
| 05:49.41 | Kosan | It's a 5in phone |
| 05:49.44 | Kosan | with a Wacom pen! |
| 05:49.50 | Macer | hahaha |
| 05:50.27 | Macer | i mean.. it is kind of huge |
| 05:50.40 | Macer | but awesome |
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| 05:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | perfect, if only it had a hw kbd |
| 05:50.58 | Macer | i want one too... but then afgain.. i already have a transformer |
| 05:51.22 | Macer | get a bt keyboard ;) |
| 05:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 05:51.36 | Macer | the one that works with the n9....oh wait... :) |
| 05:51.40 | Macer | nm |
| 05:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | I recently heard BT kbd work with N9 |
| 05:52.15 | Kosan | I like those old |
| 05:52.16 | ShadowJK | bt keyboard would be doable if one had 5 hands |
| 05:52.20 | Kosan | Palm folding bluetooth keyboards |
| 05:52.25 | Kosan | I want one of those :c |
| 05:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: rrright |
| 05:52.32 | Macer | 5 hands? |
| 05:52.38 | Macer | my su8w wasnt too bad |
| 05:52.48 | Macer | i could easily touch type on it |
| 05:53.00 | Macer | well.. can. havent used it in a while |
| 05:53.12 | Macer | speaking of which. i need to set it up |
| 05:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: one hand to hold screen, one to gold kbd, 2 for typing, one for ... you know what for ;-P |
| 05:53.22 | ShadowJK | well, 4 |
| 05:53.23 | ShadowJK | one to hold keyboard, one to hold phone, two to type |
| 05:53.27 | Macer | hahahahaha |
| 05:53.45 | Macer | the kb has a mount ;) |
| 05:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | sounds pretty convenient, esp when carried in a holster at your belt |
| 05:54.25 | Kosan | I feel bad, I was looking at the MacBook Airs at BestBuy and I almost wanted one :c |
| 05:55.23 | Kosan | Owell I'll get a Lenovo ThinkPad X221 Tablet when/if they come out. |
| 05:55.48 | dm8tbr | the su8w is quite pocketable |
| 05:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | moo dm8tbr |
| 05:56.25 | dm8tbr | mmmooooooo |
| 05:56.32 | dm8tbr | good moaning |
| 05:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 05:56.52 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 05:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | I love that one |
| 05:57.25 | dm8tbr | an apt-get moo a day, keeps the trolls away! or sthg like that |
| 05:57.40 | joga | I found an acer travelmate C111TCi on our junk pile at work...the only thing wrong with it was a dead battery so I got a new one for 38e, it has this nice emr pen and converts into a tablet, was a nice find :) |
| 05:57.50 | SpeedEvil | Methane comes out the mouth - mostly - and if a cow weighs twice as much as you - you need to lay off the bratwurst. |
| 05:58.03 | dm8tbr | yay for dumpster diving |
| 05:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 05:59.09 | *** join/#maemo Kosan_ (~Kosan@65-121-169-3.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 06:00.02 | Kosan_ | When I get Ubuntu installed will one of you help me flash my eMMC...? |
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| 06:01.58 | ShadowJK | why not use a livecd/liveusb instead of installing? |
| 06:02.13 | Kosan_ | I'm just using Wubi to do it because I'm lazy. |
| 06:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | waaaaait... |
| 06:04.14 | Kosan_ | ? |
| 06:04.40 | Macer | er |
| 06:04.46 | Sicelo | wonders if Wubi will make a difference |
| 06:04.52 | Kosan_ | Why wouldnt it? |
| 06:05.02 | Kosan_ | err |
| 06:05.04 | Kosan_ | why would it. |
| 06:05.05 | Macer | wubi just boots the live cd from win doesnt it? |
| 06:05.06 | Kosan_ | asdf |
| 06:05.13 | Kosan_ | I think? |
| 06:05.20 | Kosan_ | It's for people to "Try" Ubuntu I think |
| 06:05.20 | joga | isn't wubi the windows installer? |
| 06:05.21 | ShadowJK | what's wubi? |
| 06:05.24 | Kosan_ | Yes |
| 06:05.31 | Kosan_ | It just installed Ubuntu alongside windows |
| 06:05.35 | Sicelo | like a VM, right' |
| 06:05.38 | Kosan_ | No |
| 06:05.38 | Sicelo | ? |
| 06:05.43 | Kosan_ | It's still a different OS |
| 06:05.49 | Kosan_ | and runs without windows running |
| 06:05.54 | joga | it just performs the install in windows |
| 06:05.54 | Macer | like a dual boot |
| 06:05.55 | Macer | ? |
| 06:06.04 | joga | hmm... |
| 06:06.05 | Macer | uhm |
| 06:06.14 | joga | but there was something about it I think... |
| 06:06.27 | joga | it lives on ntfs in a file? |
| 06:06.44 | Kosan_ | I have no clue. |
| 06:06.51 | Macer | guess that is ok ... was wondering if it partitioned the disk |
| 06:07.01 | joga | I seem to remember the difference was that it doesn't repartition etc |
| 06:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | <Kosan> I flashed the firmware and immediatly flashed the eMMC but it gets stuck on "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." and a frozen loading thing on my N900 --- I'd say expected behaviour. If you'd bother to *read* the fine wiki about updating the tablet firmware, you might notice you have to remove battery after flashing rootfs aka combined |
| 06:07.29 | Macer | seems like it would be a lot easier to just boot the cd |
| 06:07.36 | Macer | and run it live |
| 06:07.44 | Kosan_ | Wait.. |
| 06:07.44 | Macer | instead of going theough an install |
| 06:07.48 | joga | yup |
| 06:07.52 | Kosan_ | So I flash te firmware |
| 06:07.58 | Macer | but i never used wubi so i could be wrong |
| 06:07.58 | Kosan_ | then take the battery out? |
| 06:08.00 | Kosan_ | err.. |
| 06:08.11 | Kosan_ | I saw that earlier but It was confusing. |
| 06:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 06:08.12 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 06:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | READ IT! |
| 06:08.23 | Macer | hides |
| 06:08.24 | Macer | lol |
| 06:09.05 | Kosan_ | The flash will take a minute or so. |
| 06:09.06 | Kosan_ | Switch off device by shortly removing battery. |
| 06:09.12 | Kosan_ | I don't even get to that point |
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| 06:16.03 | Kosan_ | Okay there |
| 06:16.07 | Kosan_ | I have flashed the firmware again |
| 06:16.15 | Kosan_ | what are you talking about removing the battery...? |
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| 06:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:...<< |
| 06:18.09 | Kosan_ | What. |
| 06:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | >>Repeat same procedure (1. - 6.) for each image to flash (sequence: eMMC first, then rootfs - some mess on rootfs may break eMMC flashing and require sequence rootfs eMMC rootfs again). So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems. Many known problems on PC side - esp "waits forever" / "doesn't find N900" - get fixed with a reboot *immediately prior* to doing the flashing.<< |
| 06:22.46 | ShadowJK | so does that mean: remove battery, start flasher with rootfs/fiasco, plug in n900, insert battery, device is flashed, remove battery, unplug n900, start flasher with emmc, plug in n900, insert battery? |
| 06:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 06:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | actually nope, you always should flash rootfs last |
| 06:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | if flashing eMMC first doesn't work (due to messed up rootfs) then do rootfs, eMMC, rootfs |
| 06:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | but I just noticed he did the "professional" way of flashing rootfs and eMMC in one step, so this doesn't exactly apply. But then that's why this is called the "method for experienced users" while the one with battery removal etc is called the "foolproof method" |
| 06:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, afk now |
| 06:30.50 | Kosan_ | god damnit it gets stuck on the little loading thing after trying to flash eMMC. |
| 06:31.24 | luke-jr | Kosan_: try the rescue image thing? |
| 06:31.46 | Kosan_ | Rescue image? |
| 06:31.54 | Kosan_ | My N900 boots. |
| 06:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what's "the little loading thing" |
| 06:32.03 | Kosan_ | It's those little dots |
| 06:32.09 | Kosan_ | and then it freezes. |
| 06:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | YES FOOL, THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS(!!!) NEED TO FLASH ROOTFS AFTER FLASHING EMMC |
| 06:33.01 | Kosan_ | But it never successfully flashes |
| 06:33.12 | Kosan_ | It just gets frozen on that loading screen |
| 06:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 06:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | says who? |
| 06:33.23 | Kosan_ | so I can't flash the Rootfs afterwards |
| 06:33.27 | Kosan_ | what. |
| 06:33.28 | luke-jr | … |
| 06:33.46 | luke-jr | you never get to the "loading screen" if you're flashing |
| 06:33.59 | Kosan_ | I thought when flashing the eMMC |
| 06:34.07 | Kosan_ | the little loading dot thing comes up for a minute or so |
| 06:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: if you flash eMMC with -R you will |
| 06:34.23 | luke-jr | well don't do that. |
| 06:34.28 | Kosan_ | I didn't put -R |
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| 06:35.15 | luke-jr | btw, I have a bone to pick with whoever optified GNU tools |
| 06:35.18 | *** part/#maemo Jooles_ (~Jooles@5ad47ede.bb.sky.com) |
| 06:35.38 | luke-jr | it breaks bootmenu when you make GNU find the default find |
| 06:35.45 | Kosan_ | There has got to be another way to fix my problems without flashing the eMMC since I can't freaking get it to flash. |
| 06:35.55 | luke-jr | Kosan_: assume it flashed. move on. |
| 06:36.05 | luke-jr | nfc why you'd need to flash eMMC anyway |
| 06:36.11 | luke-jr | I've NEVER had to do that |
| 06:36.13 | Kosan_ | idk someone suggested it. |
| 06:36.17 | Kosan_ | I'm having wierd problems |
| 06:36.18 | luke-jr | just delete /opt and rename /user |
| 06:36.29 | Kosan_ | Wait what? |
| 06:36.53 | ShadowJK | if you delete /opt you lose themes, icons, fonts and a bunch of apps |
| 06:37.03 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: he's reflashing initfs |
| 06:37.06 | luke-jr | err |
| 06:37.07 | luke-jr | rootfs |
| 06:37.50 | luke-jr | deletes /opt before flashing rootfs |
| 06:37.51 | Sicelo | rename /user << what is it? |
| 06:38.06 | luke-jr | Sicelo: your personal files/settings |
| 06:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr is a fool |
| 06:38.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no u |
| 06:38.20 | ShadowJK | /home/user probably |
| 06:38.35 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: yeah, but we're talking about /home partition |
| 06:39.00 | ShadowJK | the filesystem is probably damaged or maybe even not being used at all |
| 06:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | flashing rootfs makes optificator run and that one will delete your /opt |
| 06:39.26 | ShadowJK | heck, emmc might have fallen off physically, the information at this point is kinda lacking |
| 06:39.37 | Kosan_ | o . o |
| 06:39.55 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: oh, didn't know that. |
| 06:40.06 | Kosan_ | I can still access.. the 27Gb partition or whatever. |
| 06:40.18 | luke-jr | Kosan_: without booting? |
| 06:40.27 | Kosan_ | errr |
| 06:40.28 | Kosan_ | Idk. |
| 06:40.36 | Kosan_ | I can access it through the file manager |
| 06:40.39 | luke-jr | … |
| 06:40.40 | Kosan_ | and with my computer.. |
| 06:40.50 | Kosan_ | IM SORRY I REALL DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. |
| 06:40.59 | luke-jr | Kosan_: did you try flashing rootfs yet? |
| 06:41.05 | Kosan_ | rootfs. |
| 06:41.07 | Kosan_ | Gah |
| 06:41.19 | Kosan_ | My mind is starting to go completely blank now. |
| 06:41.27 | Kosan_ | I flashed the firmware. |
| 06:41.33 | luke-jr | …….. |
| 06:41.57 | Macer | i think an n900 was the wrong choice of device for you :) |
| 06:42.04 | Kosan_ | Thanks. |
| 06:42.10 | luke-jr | Macer: that's why I told him to RMA it and get an E7 earleir |
| 06:42.15 | Macer | heh |
| 06:42.16 | Kosan_ | I don't want an E7. |
| 06:42.22 | Kosan_ | It looks like a crap device. |
| 06:42.26 | Macer | e7 is a nice phone and has a qwerty |
| 06:42.36 | Macer | it is about the same hw as an n900 |
| 06:42.36 | Kosan_ | I'm not going any lower than 800x480 |
| 06:42.37 | luke-jr | Kosan_: you need a crap device. |
| 06:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | sighs and heads out |
| 06:43.13 | ShadowJK | I still don't know whether he tried the unplug, removebatt, start flasher, plug, insert battery, remove batt, unplug procdure for both emmc and rootfs |
| 06:43.25 | Kosan_ | I did. |
| 06:43.41 | Macer | it is broken |
| 06:43.41 | Macer | rma it |
| 06:43.46 | psycho_oreos | you can't help the symbian troll can't you? somehow E7 must be the love of your life |
| 06:44.03 | Kosan_ | RMA? |
| 06:44.06 | ShadowJK | and it said worked for rootfs but said "waiting for device" over and over for emmc? |
| 06:44.07 | Kosan_ | I've had it for like 5 months |
| 06:44.10 | Kosan_ | and I bought it used. |
| 06:44.17 | Kosan_ | Yes. |
| 06:44.19 | psycho_oreos | return manufacturer authorisation or something like that |
| 06:44.30 | psycho_oreos | s/manufacturer/material/ |
| 06:44.30 | Kosan_ | I know what RMA is. |
| 06:44.39 | Kosan_ | How can I RMA something thats probably a year old. |
| 06:44.39 | Macer | send it to nokia |
| 06:44.44 | Macer | they'll fix it |
| 06:44.52 | Kosan_ | Yeah and charge me $200 |
| 06:44.54 | ShadowJK | 2 year warranty in eu |
| 06:44.55 | psycho_oreos | and send you E7/N8 instead |
| 06:45.18 | Kosan_ | I'm sorry but why does this device have to be so overly complicated like this |
| 06:45.23 | Kosan_ | I see no reason for it to be. |
| 06:45.33 | luke-jr | Kosan_: because that's the POINT of the N900 |
| 06:45.47 | ShadowJK | Kosan_; what were the paraneters used when you attempted to flash emmc? |
| 06:45.49 | luke-jr | it's NOT a phone |
| 06:45.51 | luke-jr | it's a full computer |
| 06:45.52 | psycho_oreos | no its more like the fault of nokia rushing to have this device onto the market |
| 06:46.10 | Macer | psycho_oreos: then abandoning it ;) |
| 06:46.12 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: no, I mean the complexity of flashing it |
| 06:46.13 | Kosan_ | I guess I'm just too stupid to operate this device. |
| 06:46.16 | ShadowJK | Kosan_; my guess would be the device is physically damaged |
| 06:46.19 | Macer | let's not forget that part |
| 06:46.24 | Kosan_ | It was working fine earlier today. |
| 06:46.26 | Kosan_ | What the fuck. |
| 06:46.39 | psycho_oreos | Macer, that's irrelevant now, its an old story |
| 06:46.44 | Macer | made in china? |
| 06:46.51 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, still it is partly nokia's fault you have to admit |
| 06:46.58 | Macer | you sure it is running maemo? :) |
| 06:47.03 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: complexity of flashing is to be expected. |
| 06:47.15 | ShadowJK | normal user with normal device would use the warranty instead of asking a bunch of programmers and electrical engineers for help on using tools normally reserved for repair centres |
| 06:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: how could that be? how's flasher telling device is broken when device magically knows it's goinfg to flash eMMC now? |
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| 06:48.06 | Macer | ShadowJK: there used to be an easy windows tool for flashing |
| 06:48.08 | joga | Kosan_, I'd take a short break, make some coffee, then carefully follow the procedure for flashing again, since it seems that there's no certainty that you did everything to the T (I haven't had such problems myself though) |
| 06:48.11 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I somewhat beg to differ, N900's predecessors only needed one binary file to flash :) |
| 06:48.11 | Macer | what happened to that? |
| 06:48.26 | psycho_oreos | err one binary file to use the flasher with |
| 06:48.36 | Macer | nokia has this lame suite crap |
| 06:48.38 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: same with N900. no reason to reflash eMMC |
| 06:49.01 | joga | Macer, heh, I don't recall any 'good' nokia windows tools :) |
| 06:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the effect of flasher waiting forever on "no USB device found" usually is associated with a fsckdup rootfs |
| 06:49.23 | Macer | joga: it was the updater for the n900 |
| 06:49.34 | Macer | it downloaded the latest img and flashed it |
| 06:49.40 | Macer | easy clicky pointy stuff |
| 06:49.47 | joga | never seen that myself |
| 06:49.48 | Macer | as well as installed the driver for the n900 |
| 06:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the effect of flasher waiting forever on "no USB device found" for eMMC only usually is associated with a fsckdup rootfs |
| 06:50.06 | Macer | i have ;) i promise. it existed |
| 06:50.10 | Macer | lol |
| 06:50.29 | ShadowJK | talking to usb under windows seems pretty hard, I've got a friend with a samsung galaxy that can't update it because the windows tool doesn't work :) |
| 06:50.29 | Macer | i was looking for it a couple weeks ago and nokia no longer has it |
| 06:50.35 | joga | when I got the n900, nokia's suite couldn't use it, but had a picture of the device. the previous version could use it to some degree though |
| 06:50.48 | Macer | they direct you to some universal device suite crap |
| 06:50.53 | Macer | that doesn't work |
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| 06:51.18 | Macer | but it is nokia.. it is what i come to expect :) |
| 06:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | flashing under windows seems to only work flawlessly if you uninstall or even better never install nokiasuite |
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| 06:52.12 | ShadowJK | though I'd expect it to not work for both then |
| 06:52.46 | Macer | heh |
| 06:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | flashing eMMC involves booting system and exporting a pseudo mass storage device |
| 06:53.01 | Macer | nokia suite doesnt work |
| 06:53.19 | ShadowJK | oh I didn't know it needed to go past nolo for emmc |
| 06:53.27 | Macer | at least it didnt work for me. i just walked over to my linux server and flashed it |
| 06:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | seems it does |
| 06:53.31 | Macer | and it worked :) |
| 06:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | as flashing eMMC fails if rootfs is fsckdup |
| 06:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | so that's why flashing eMMC fails while flashing rootfs works: either rootfs is borked, or the exporting pseudo mass storage makes windows act up and load nokia suite drivers that block flasher-3.5 |
| 06:56.24 | Kosan_ | Don't even have nokia suite installed. |
| 06:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | do foolproof method flash rootfs + emmc + rootfs and you should be fine - if you got no problems on PC side |
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| 06:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | read: a windows PC |
| 06:57.01 | Kosan_ | I read. |
| 06:57.14 | Kosan_ | I guess I will try this in Ubuntu tomorrow. |
| 06:57.19 | Kosan_ | and hope it fixes it. |
| 06:57.22 | luke-jr | in other news, my N900 won't boot anymore |
| 06:57.24 | Macer | maybe i will make maem.scientiam.org |
| 06:57.36 | Macer | luke-jr: problems with gentoo? |
| 06:57.45 | Macer | maemo |
| 06:57.50 | luke-jr | with Maemo, even |
| 06:58.07 | Macer | because of gentoo? |
| 06:58.12 | luke-jr | unlikely. |
| 06:58.32 | Macer | if you say so. everything can be blamed on gentoo when stuff breaks |
| 06:58.50 | ShadowJK | blames gcc-4.5 |
| 06:59.17 | luke-jr | hmm this is ugly |
| 06:59.23 | luke-jr | even the rescue kernel won't boot |
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| 06:59.55 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I haven't flashed that yet |
| 07:00.13 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: so minicom with N900 ttyACM0 works exactly as pnatd on the device. just that you can't use AT1, etc have to do it the long way, AT+GMR |
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| 07:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | ATI1 |
| 07:00.56 | luke-jr | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 07:00.58 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 07:01.02 | Sicelo | ah. so my mistake :) |
| 07:01.35 | luke-jr | that's with my GCC 4.4 fremantle kernel I had working years ago |
| 07:02.23 | Kosan_ | Well fuck it. |
| 07:02.28 | Kosan_ | It's HTC Desire Z time |
| 07:02.30 | Kosan_ | goodnight all. |
| 07:02.46 | Macer | lol |
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| 07:03.10 | Macer | fk you too! you and your desire z! |
| 07:03.14 | Macer | :) |
| 07:03.15 | Sicelo | looks longingly at Kosan_'s ts and ribbon cable |
| 07:03.31 | Macer | haha |
| 07:03.31 | Macer | mine wore out |
| 07:03.33 | Macer | crappy htc zhinge |
| 07:03.54 | Macer | i have a new one and a new housing but taking the thing apart is driving me nuts |
| 07:04.05 | Macer | it is incredibly difficult to disassemble |
| 07:10.36 | Sicelo | i meant his n900 ts and ribbon :) |
| 07:10.43 | luke-jr | help :| |
| 07:11.48 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 07:12.01 | luke-jr | N900 won't boot |
| 07:12.04 | luke-jr | even the rescue kernel |
| 07:12.09 | SpeedEvil | Eeek. |
| 07:13.10 | SpeedEvil | Tried taking the battery out and putting it back again? (with no USB power) |
| 07:14.33 | luke-jr | yes |
| 07:14.35 | luke-jr | many times now |
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| 07:27.22 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 07:29.28 | luke-jr | got the rescue working (I had forgotten the initrd) |
| 07:29.35 | luke-jr | but don't see any reason why maemo won't boot |
| 07:29.53 | luke-jr | this vaguely reminds me of how things broke last time I had to reflash it |
| 07:29.54 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 07:30.04 | luke-jr | (as in, makes no sense :P) |
| 07:30.48 | luke-jr | I only edited bootmenu.sh slightly, and that doesn't even get run unless slide is open :/ |
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| 07:35.28 | luke-jr | hmm, VERY odd…… |
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| 07:35.50 | luke-jr | with bootmenu.sh run, it creates the bootlog file, but nothing in it… |
| 07:38.21 | luke-jr | adds a forked process doing sync every 0.1 seconds… |
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| 07:39.07 | luke-jr | nothing still :x |
| 07:42.05 | ShadowJK | free space? |
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| 07:43.29 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: 53 MB free on rootfs |
| 07:43.44 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: could you bind-mount your maemo / somewhere, and tell me what its /dev has in it? |
| 07:44.44 | ShadowJK | why bind-mount? |
| 07:45.16 | luke-jr | so you see the real /dev, not the tmpfs |
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| 07:47.06 | ShadowJK | forgets syntax |
| 07:49.02 | luke-jr | mount --bind / /mnt |
| 07:50.44 | dm8tbr | '-o bind' works too IIRC |
| 07:51.11 | ShadowJK | console core fb* fraw full kmem loop* mem mtd* null port pts ram* random tty* urandom zero |
| 07:52.11 | luke-jr | dm8tbr: that's longer… |
| 07:52.25 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: that's /mnt/dev ? |
| 07:52.25 | dm8tbr | just saying... |
| 07:52.49 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 07:53.36 | luke-jr | hmmmmm' |
| 07:53.57 | luke-jr | I'm missing a bunch of those |
| 07:54.15 | luke-jr | what's dev/core? |
| 07:54.34 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: could you pastebin a ls -l of it? |
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| 07:54.47 | ShadowJK | symlink to /proc/kcore |
| 07:56.17 | ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/QwTEB2B2 |
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| 07:57.22 | luke-jr | sorry, ls -ln |
| 07:58.31 | ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/GBLMY5BR |
| 07:59.17 | luke-jr | ty |
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| 08:08.07 | luke-jr | yay, looks like that was the issue |
| 08:08.09 | luke-jr | thanks ShadowJK |
| 08:09.12 | luke-jr | ponders how to best automate autorecovery |
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| 08:13.29 | Macer | blah |
| 08:14.27 | luke-jr | …and bricked again |
| 08:14.29 | luke-jr | x.x |
| 08:14.35 | luke-jr | seems Maemo hates that gcc45 kernel |
| 08:14.44 | luke-jr | despite it being the same code |
| 08:14.49 | luke-jr | peers |
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| 08:16.57 | ShadowJK | miscompiled |
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| 08:23.58 | luke-jr | throws a dev.tgz in /lib and has bootmenu extract it :P |
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| 08:35.32 | Macer | wow |
| 08:35.44 | Macer | this synology is configuring and building coreutils |
| 08:35.48 | Macer | nice |
| 08:35.57 | Macer | native building ftw :) |
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| 08:36.22 | Macer | although the coreutils has to be the longest configure script ever made |
| 08:38.08 | Macer | heh |
| 08:38.15 | Macer | let me go ahead and melt this box |
| 08:39.02 | luke-jr | almost makes you wish there was a template config.cache for common systems |
| 08:40.38 | luke-jr | holy crap |
| 08:40.48 | luke-jr | something during Maemo boot *does* intentionally delete all /dev |
| 08:41.07 | luke-jr | and with my kernel fails to remake them due to missing sysfs entries |
| 08:41.18 | luke-jr | cat: can't open '/sys/bus/platform/devices/*_wdt/misc:*/dev': No such file or directory |
| 08:41.19 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 08:42.00 | Macer | lol |
| 08:42.07 | Macer | gentoo did it! |
| 08:42.49 | Macer | all this just so i can have passwd lol |
| 08:43.07 | Macer | damn synology box with its no passd and not intended for shells :) |
| 08:43.11 | Macer | passwd |
| 08:43.13 | luke-jr | Macer: no, Gentoo had nothing to do with it |
| 08:43.16 | luke-jr | Macer: Maemo did it. |
| 08:43.18 | Macer | liar! |
| 08:43.37 | Macer | that is zionist gentoo talk! |
| 08:43.59 | Macer | with your maemo bashing! |
| 08:44.33 | Macer | i have ran maemo forever without /dev getting deleted :) or at least withoug /dev giving me problems |
| 08:45.03 | luke-jr | you're a mere idiot end user |
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| 08:53.11 | Macer | LOL!! |
| 08:53.14 | Macer | mkay |
| 08:55.09 | Macer | Mr. Hack an n900 using what others have worked on in order to get gentoo working without making any real code yourself and expect nokia to send you an n900 |
| 08:55.20 | Macer | :) |
| 08:55.36 | Macer | n950 |
| 08:55.40 | Macer | my bad lol |
| 08:56.21 | Macer | hope they get back to you some day about that but i am sure their exchange recycle bin is expunged once a week or so |
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| 09:02.53 | Macer | sudo -s |
| 09:03.22 | vi___ | LOL |
| 09:03.29 | vi___ | zionist gentoo talk. |
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| 09:05.13 | joga | I'm not very familiar with the maemo core but it uses udev right? doesn't that mean /dev gets generated |
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| 09:06.38 | Macer | olume1/homes/mace/temp/coreutils-8.13/src/sort.c:3557: undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 09:06.41 | Macer | :( |
| 09:10.26 | Macer | maybe i will just --disable-threads |
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| 09:10.56 | luke-jr | Macer: Gentoo is real code. Maemo is a joke. |
| 09:11.34 | Macer | oh i never said it wasn't .. the question is though.. how many lines have you added to the pot? |
| 09:11.44 | AminCX | luke-jr: you're idea is respectable . |
| 09:11.48 | Macer | without maemo you would have never gotten gentoo to boot |
| 09:11.59 | Macer | :) |
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| 09:13.15 | psycho_oreos | apart from nitdroid and meego, I've not really seen any other distros that could make full and proper use of the N900.. every other distros almost always lack exactly the same thing such as telephone for instance |
| 09:13.47 | Macer | nitdroid is still struggling on the hardware |
| 09:13.56 | psycho_oreos | I mean really... in that case installing any other distro on N900 would easily render your N900 into a pure internet tablet minus phone functionality |
| 09:13.59 | Macer | i dont think the phone works still |
| 09:14.11 | Macer | agreed |
| 09:14.31 | Macer | but it still takes the maemo kernel and modules to get the other hardware to function |
| 09:14.44 | vi___ | Is there any kind of documentation for how systemui works. I.e. how is systemui.xml generated/used? |
| 09:14.55 | Macer | you lose cam, gps, phone, uhm. there was more but i forget |
| 09:15.16 | Sicelo | psycho_oreos: debian can make calls now, but no audio is heard. otherwise sms, etc works |
| 09:15.35 | Macer | Sicelo: same with nitdroid |
| 09:15.40 | Macer | they hit a roadblock |
| 09:15.48 | Macer | all non-maemo things did |
| 09:15.53 | psycho_oreos | bah, then that would pretty much only leave meego |
| 09:16.00 | Macer | even meego isn't fully functional |
| 09:16.04 | psycho_oreos | don't they use something like ofono? |
| 09:16.07 | Macer | on the n900 |
| 09:16.11 | Macer | yes |
| 09:16.20 | Macer | but it has issues |
| 09:16.32 | Macer | :) which i doubt will ever be resolved |
| 09:16.50 | luke-jr | Macer: many, many more than you |
| 09:16.52 | Macer | oh yeah.. you lose fmtx too |
| 09:17.01 | Macer | luke-jr: liar |
| 09:17.19 | Macer | scripting != code |
| 09:17.28 | luke-jr | notes fmtx works fine with mainline Linux |
| 09:17.37 | luke-jr | Macer: good, so you've written no code at all |
| 09:17.46 | Macer | oh. my bad. there is something |
| 09:17.53 | Macer | i can't remember what it is |
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| 09:18.06 | Macer | nor have you :) |
| 09:18.07 | Macer | so don't judge lol |
| 09:18.17 | Macer | gentooer |
| 09:18.30 | Sicelo | btw, luke-jr, gentoo on n900 works well for tablet mode? |
| 09:18.58 | Macer | no! and don't let him sit there and lie to you and say it does! |
| 09:19.02 | luke-jr | Sicelo: ? |
| 09:19.32 | luke-jr | define tablet mode |
| 09:19.41 | Sicelo | just genuine question luke-jr. i'm not on Macer's line of though |
| 09:20.03 | Macer | i'm just messing with luke-jr Sicelo :) |
| 09:20.14 | luke-jr | Sicelo: define tablet mode |
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| 09:21.13 | Sicelo | use of your n900 without modem-related things... just like the other possible OSes |
| 09:22.28 | Sicelo | maybe i should ask for a screenshot of your n900 running gentoo |
| 09:23.12 | Macer | i think he is asking if you have a good tablet style wm working on it |
| 09:23.58 | luke-jr | Sicelo: it'll have to wait. my ext2 went corrupt, and still building stuff |
| 09:24.06 | luke-jr | I had KDE before |
| 09:24.34 | Sicelo | nice. |
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| 09:39.22 | vi___ | FRRRREEEEEEEMAAAAAAAN! |
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| 10:09.29 | Macer | hm |
| 10:09.42 | Macer | found out my mboard doesnt go to sleep at all :) |
| 10:09.47 | Macer | not even in win7 |
| 10:09.48 | Macer | nice |
| 10:10.23 | Macer | guess i will just do the whole power down deal. that is lame tho |
| 10:11.14 | Macer | it is kind of amazing that you still have to jump through hoops to get a large volume to work in linux |
| 10:11.23 | Macer | anything for that matter |
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| 10:55.34 | Macer | damn |
| 10:55.38 | Macer | this bl5j charger was an awesome thing to buy |
| 10:55.56 | Macer | swapping batteries seems easier than staying attached to a cord |
| 10:56.19 | Macer | and the battery that came with it actually lasts just as long as a stock one |
| 10:58.08 | ShadowJK | eastmaze? |
| 11:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | anybody familiar with alignment errors under ARM? |
| 11:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | and how to deal with them? |
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| 11:07.33 | vi___ | Macer: you know hotswap right? |
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| 11:21.03 | Macer | huh? |
| 11:21.32 | Macer | with the 1sec to swap it while holding one in place etc? |
| 11:21.46 | Macer | no thanks. i will just power it off and swap it out heh |
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| 11:22.38 | ShadowJK | 1 sec? |
| 11:23.28 | Macer | whatever it is |
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| 11:24.19 | Macer | .7? :) |
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| 11:26.38 | vi___ | Macer: suit yourself |
| 11:26.49 | vi___ | Is it possible for me to... |
| 11:26.56 | vi___ | 1. be connected to ovi suite. |
| 11:27.13 | Macer | heh |
| 11:27.15 | vi___ | 2. connected to n900 by putty. |
| 11:27.25 | vadimq | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK, you mostly have to remove unaligned access from the program. Malloc ensures memory is aligned, but you have to be careful with using offsets |
| 11:27.35 | vi___ | 3. Acess the net through PC from n900. |
| 11:27.40 | vi___ | ALL over bluetooth? |
| 11:27.57 | vi___ | ALL at once? |
| 11:30.15 | Phlogistique | what's ovi suite? |
| 11:30.47 | psycho_oreos | probably some windows only software |
| 11:30.49 | Phlogistique | (I don't know the answer to your question) |
| 11:31.10 | Phlogistique | psycho_oreos: ovi sounds like the ovi from ovi store though |
| 11:32.01 | psycho_oreos | Phlogistique, though there's a set of ovi shortcuts when you either first obtain N900 or a clean combined flash |
| 11:32.17 | psycho_oreos | thinks its probably something to do with pc suite mode |
| 11:33.04 | vi___ | ovi suite is the SHITTY software peddled by nokia. |
| 11:33.25 | vi___ | Winblows only, resource hog, always startys with windows. |
| 11:33.31 | vi___ | An embarassment. |
| 11:33.44 | vi___ | However it does have partital n900 support. |
| 11:33.58 | psycho_oreos | its actually quite a compliment to N900 though *ahem* lol |
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| 11:34.44 | vi___ | It allows you to backup the phonebook/appz/etc/etc |
| 11:35.02 | vi___ | Send/receive txt messages |
| 11:35.13 | vi___ | modify and synchronise the phonebook |
| 11:35.43 | vi___ | modify/synchronise the calender |
| 11:36.36 | vi___ | While it is a steaming sack of piss it does allow me to txt msg my GF from my desk without fiddling with me phone. |
| 11:36.38 | psycho_oreos | sounds very much like that nokia pc suite. I've never used it on my N900 lol. I've already fully migrated all my computers to linux |
| 11:36.56 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: tell that to my job. |
| 11:37.13 | psycho_oreos | vi___, can't you run linux on a vm? :D |
| 11:37.41 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: for what purpose? All the CAE software is for 'dows. |
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| 11:38.01 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: You have to accept you cannot have 'nix everywhere. |
| 11:38.13 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: then you install cygwin and SSH out. |
| 11:38.43 | psycho_oreos | vi___, I know of a few people that have linux on their workstations at work, whilst everyone else had windows :) |
| 11:40.55 | psycho_oreos | I'd imagine I'd do the same thing too if I could find a way first off and then have it showing windows showing up on the screen whenever I'm not in front of me desk at work :) to prevent any suspicions or that `wtf' quote |
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| 11:41.22 | vi___ | unless somone could write an SMS plugin for mutt/alpine that would allow me to send/receive messages to/from my contacts. |
| 11:41.26 | psycho_oreos | i.e. windows on vm and linux as host but *shrugs* everyone has their comfort zones |
| 11:41.40 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: bro are you on drugs? |
| 11:41.55 | psycho_oreos | vi___, no but I've never done CAE :) |
| 11:42.10 | vi___ | You think running 'nix is outside my 'comfort zone'? |
| 11:42.34 | vi___ | You have yet to learn that crumby software you HAVE to use at work DOES NOT work under nix |
| 11:42.46 | psycho_oreos | vi___, that's where virtualisation comes in :) |
| 11:42.53 | vi___ | In fact it is so fail it almost doesnt run under doze |
| 11:43.19 | vi___ | the very idea of putting an extra layer of potential fail i.e. a host OS underneath the whole lot is nuts. |
| 11:43.58 | vi___ | You simply have to accept at work you use doze. |
| 11:44.11 | psycho_oreos | unless if you're running old workstations with limited resources :D |
| 11:44.43 | vi___ | then you will be ruinnig XP. |
| 11:44.47 | psycho_oreos | bleh I wouldn't.. not in the long term... I'd be looking into having linux as host. So when shit hits the fan I can always `re-clone' windows |
| 11:45.06 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: that is what our IT admin is for. |
| 11:46.10 | psycho_oreos | vi___, true but to do it yourself would probably be better one other ways unless if they enforce strict `cloning' every so often |
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| 11:46.44 | psycho_oreos | s/one/more than one/ |
| 11:46.59 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: you clearly have not had your first job in the 'real world' of computers yet then. |
| 11:47.13 | psycho_oreos | vi___, I have, just not much :) |
| 11:48.22 | psycho_oreos | vi___, so you would say people who run linux as host and windows as guest in virtualised environment at their work environment despite the rest of the people are running windows only are bluffers? |
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| 11:50.45 | Phlogistique | vi___: I'm pretty sure it must be possible to do without OVI suite (sending texts) |
| 11:51.01 | Phlogistique | altough I do not know how, and I don't really need it |
| 11:51.29 | psycho_oreos | there's sendsms which is a CLI based program |
| 11:53.00 | psycho_oreos | s/sendsms/smssend/ |
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| 12:14.10 | jonwil | I have come up with the perfect solution for implementing wifi network priority. The plan I have is not to replace the wifi plugin (with libicd-network-wpa or anything else) but to write a plugin that sits between the ICD daemon and the WiFi plugin and manipulates the results |
| 12:15.00 | jonwil | About to make a forum post about my plan |
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| 12:18.23 | LaoLang_cool | Hello! |
| 12:19.11 | LaoLang_cool | Anyone could compile remind on n900 please? http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind |
| 12:19.44 | LaoLang_cool | built-in task in N900 is useless at all for me... |
| 12:19.50 | LaoLang_cool | Too simple too naive |
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| 13:01.16 | mihu | Hi. I want to write an application that listens for the "PictureDone" event from com.nokia.cameraui. Should I directly use the DBUS API or is there some Maemo-specific handling that I should use? |
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| 13:13.27 | vi___ | mihu:inter-process communication? DBUS surely. |
| 13:13.31 | vi___ | ? |
| 13:14.45 | mihu | vi___: I took a picture and noticed that "signal sender=:1.69 -> dest=(null destination) serial=38 path=/com/nokia/cameraui; interface=com.nokia.cameraui; member=PictureDone string "/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/20111128_001.jpg"" was emitted. I now want to listen to that event, but I'm unsure which API I should/can use. |
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| 13:16.59 | mihu | vi___: From looking at the documentation, I think osso_rpc_set_cb_f() is the way to go. |
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| 13:46.14 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1130016#post1130016 |
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| 15:41.32 | DocSalarySlave | was it in this channel we discussed availability of components via farnell? |
| 15:42.42 | DocSalarySlave | they actually don't send to users who got no business with tax number, but the nice lady calling me will send my addr of their business partner that will do |
| 15:43.11 | vi___ | DocSalarySlave: yes, at a cost. |
| 15:43.13 | DocSalarySlave | s/my/me the/ |
| 15:43.29 | vi___ | DocSalarySlave: Unless you are buying a shed load of stuff it is just not worth it. |
| 15:43.45 | DocSalarySlave | vi___: depends |
| 15:44.39 | DocSalarySlave | if I can't operate the 800$ device anymore due to a broken 5ct component, I don'T really mind paying 20 bucks for processing |
| 15:49.45 | pugvzz_ | DocSalarySlave: what did you ordeR? |
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| 15:53.48 | vi___ | I wish somone would make a flashlight app that was not made of fail. |
| 15:54.13 | vi___ | liqtorch - just a white screen. FAIL. |
| 15:54.42 | vi___ | flashlight, extra>K - include a statusbar pluging that polls the shutter. FAIL. |
| 15:55.21 | vi___ | nTorch - Requires you to press the screen to on/off and does not close with shutter, also QT. FAIL |
| 15:55.37 | SpeedEvil | vi___: I got halfway through, then got stuck on a bash script. |
| 15:55.43 | SpeedEvil | vi___: Basic idea: |
| 15:55.59 | SpeedEvil | On shutter-open - is device pointing down. |
| 15:56.05 | SpeedEvil | Yes - flashlight on. |
| 15:56.10 | SpeedEvil | No - camera on |
| 15:56.15 | DocSalarySlave | pugvzz_: actually nothing |
| 15:57.11 | vi___ | All that is needed is a binary that switches on the LEDs, switches off when shutter closes. I will choose how to launch binary (status bar, script, shutter launcher, dbus when I fart, etc). |
| 15:58.10 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite that simple - as the camera will take over the shutter |
| 15:58.11 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: I have considered a bash approach too, howeever it cannot be done. (unless you wanna I2C the shit outta the LED module). |
| 15:58.25 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: not if you have camera shutter launcher... |
| 15:58.40 | SpeedEvil | camera shutter launcher requires an interaction. |
| 15:58.46 | SpeedEvil | The above UI doesn't. |
| 15:58.54 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: good point. |
| 15:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't even need screen unlock |
| 15:59.28 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: however shutterL allows the automatic execution of whatever you want. Which in this case would be your script. |
| 15:59.59 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: would also circumvent need for unlocking. |
| 16:00.16 | DocSalarySlave | anyway FWIW, farnell doesn't seel to individuals, but a nice CR-lady called me and told me www.hbe-shop.de will do, and has all the farnell stuff |
| 16:00.34 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: how would you have started LEDS with a bash script? |
| 16:00.48 | DocSalarySlave | (and of course I can order directly at farnell ;-D ) |
| 16:00.57 | vi___ | DocSalarySlave: heh |
| 16:01.16 | vi___ | DocSalarySlave: their website certainly shits all over rs-components. |
| 16:02.05 | SpeedEvil | vi___: v4lctl |
| 16:02.08 | SpeedEvil | But it diddn't quite work |
| 16:02.30 | pugvzz_ | they call em fingers.. but i never seen ém fing... |
| 16:02.52 | pugvzz_ | so what is interesting to do today with maemo-ishness |
| 16:02.53 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: what is this 'v41ctl' you speak of? |
| 16:02.57 | pugvzz_ | it is so feature-complete |
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| 16:03.20 | SpeedEvil | video4linux control applet |
| 16:03.38 | vi___ | SpeedEvil: can it turn the leds on/off? |
| 16:03.44 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:03.50 | vi___ | zomfg |
| 16:03.57 | SpeedEvil | But it doesn/t keep /dev/viodeo open, so they go off again |
| 16:04.30 | vi___ | what do you mean doesnt keep it open? |
| 16:04.50 | SpeedEvil | When the video device is closed, the driver turns the LED off |
| 16:05.21 | vi___ | why u no 'chmod 444 /dev/video'? |
| 16:05.31 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 16:05.37 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't work that way. |
| 16:05.56 | SpeedEvil | To turn the camera on, you need to open /dev/video0, then do an ioctl to turn on the LED. |
| 16:05.59 | vi___ | change the write permissions of the device so nothing can change/close it. |
| 16:06.01 | SpeedEvil | And keep it open |
| 16:06.24 | SpeedEvil | It's the driver that's turning it off. |
| 16:06.31 | vi___ | mmmm |
| 16:06.38 | vi___ | spam ioctls? |
| 16:06.38 | SpeedEvil | I'd have needed to recode v4lctl so it supported keeping the device open. |
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| 16:24.48 | DocSalarySlave | nice notice to everybody re CSSU: seems a (the?) fundamental bug in modest got spotted and squished |
| 16:25.25 | neal | DocSalarySlave: link? |
| 16:25.51 | DocSalarySlave | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/latest.log.html |
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| 16:34.12 | vi___ | I mean the screen is max 1280 wide, so why would Qt need floats? |
| 16:34.30 | vi___ | ^ because it was made by java programmers. |
| 16:45.01 | luke-jr | vi___: what's wrong with floats? :P |
| 16:46.31 | luke-jr | oh right, Maemo is still stuck with softfp ;) |
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| 16:52.23 | pugvadr | hmm |
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| 17:13.48 | luke-jr | ugh, where do I get the star-shaped screwdriver needed to open N900? |
| 17:14.12 | DocSalarySlave | luke-jr: you could do us a favour and check if hardfp is as fast or faster than 32bit fixed |
| 17:14.29 | luke-jr | DocSalarySlave: how? |
| 17:14.43 | DocSalarySlave | dazasheets, google, dunno |
| 17:14.45 | luke-jr | hardfp is very significantly faster than softfp+neon at least |
| 17:14.57 | luke-jr | no idea wtf to test 32bit fixed |
| 17:15.34 | DocSalarySlave | yeah, but when Qt or $random-task doesn't need float then it was insane to use even hardfp unless it was faster than 32 int |
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| 17:16.17 | luke-jr | but I don't know how to test 32bit fixed :P |
| 17:16.27 | luke-jr | unless you mean uint32 |
| 17:16.40 | DocSalarySlave | that's probably what I meant, yeah |
| 17:16.44 | luke-jr | then I suppose I could write a simple C program to compare |
| 17:16.47 | DocSalarySlave | not u maybe |
| 17:16.59 | luke-jr | alarm(10);, then count |
| 17:17.09 | luke-jr | or do I need more time to be precise enough? hmm |
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| 17:17.40 | DocSalarySlave | I bet the results are so significan you don't need any precision at all |
| 17:20.16 | RST38h | moo all |
| 17:20.55 | luke-jr | DocSalarySlave: what op should I use for testing? |
| 17:21.21 | DocSalarySlave | muladd |
| 17:21.37 | DocSalarySlave | aka multiply and add |
| 17:21.43 | luke-jr | from C? |
| 17:21.52 | DocSalarySlave | dunno |
| 17:22.03 | luke-jr | a += a * 2 ? |
| 17:22.04 | DocSalarySlave | I wonder how you'd thest hardfp |
| 17:22.08 | DocSalarySlave | test* |
| 17:22.19 | luke-jr | make 'a' a double :p |
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| 17:22.49 | DocSalarySlave | hmm, you're on a system with hardfp support? |
| 17:22.57 | luke-jr | yes |
| 17:23.05 | luke-jr | that's how I noticed the difference :P |
| 17:23.14 | luke-jr | Gentoo is MUCH faster with hardfp than when I had softfp |
| 17:23.29 | DocSalarySlave | then probably the above will do, when you make sure no optimizations detect the code as cruft |
| 17:23.46 | luke-jr | GCC isn't using muladd for += * |
| 17:23.57 | DocSalarySlave | luke-jr: :-D well THAT is expected |
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| 17:24.35 | luke-jr | why? |
| 17:24.37 | DocSalarySlave | (faster ^^^) |
| 17:25.03 | luke-jr | O.o? |
| 17:25.41 | DocSalarySlave | luke-jr: hardfp is usually faster than software emu |
| 17:25.49 | luke-jr | oh |
| 17:26.02 | luke-jr | well, I thought it was just an API difference and the softfp was still using NEON |
| 17:26.39 | DocSalarySlave | luke-jr: (muladd) if you can't find a way to use muladd (if that even exists on ARM), then a normal add and multiply will probably do |
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| 17:27.26 | luke-jr | ~32 mil int ops per sec |
| 17:27.33 | DocSalarySlave | or you could compare int mul+add to a simple hardfp mul only, and see if fp has a chance to compete with this "advantage" |
| 17:28.13 | DocSalarySlave | assuming a hardfp muladd won't be *faster* than a hardfp mul |
| 17:28.17 | luke-jr | ~10.5 mil 'double' ops per sec |
| 17:28.49 | DocSalarySlave | amazingly fast |
| 17:28.57 | luke-jr | same for 'float' |
| 17:28.59 | luke-jr | is it? |
| 17:29.07 | DocSalarySlave | I'd say yes |
| 17:29.09 | luke-jr | I have no way to test on softfp |
| 17:29.35 | DocSalarySlave | I'd more expected a ratio of 10/1 or more, rather than 3/1 |
| 17:29.55 | DocSalarySlave | softfp doesn't matter though |
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| 17:30.17 | DocSalarySlave | still obviously hardfp is not *faster* than int arithmetic |
| 17:30.28 | luke-jr | well, if you can get statistics for Maemo's configuration, you can go to Nokia "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" :P |
| 17:30.55 | DocSalarySlave | so if you can get away with not using float in any framework/program, you damn better only use int |
| 17:31.48 | luke-jr | http://pastebin.com/8spaJhDD <-- the code I tested with |
| 17:33.40 | luke-jr | with standard Maemo userspace running with Wifi connected |
| 17:33.51 | luke-jr | and SSH sessions |
| 17:34.01 | luke-jr | don't expect those made a big impact on testing tho |
| 17:34.04 | pugvadr | what is luke-jr doing/ |
| 17:34.15 | luke-jr | pugvadr: cheap benchmarking |
| 17:34.36 | luke-jr | I'm still interested to see what a Maemo-made benchmark of the above produces for floats |
| 17:35.16 | luke-jr | if for no other reason to mathematically prove that I'm not imagining this huge speedup :p |
| 17:36.07 | DocSalarySlave | wonders if he could run it thru the SB wreck he got |
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| 17:41.22 | DocSalarySlave | dang, how do I log in to SB? |
| 17:41.57 | DocSalarySlave | has obviously lost half of his persistent storage |
| 17:43.30 | DocSalarySlave | nm, found it, /sb/login |
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| 17:46.09 | luke-jr | O.o |
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| 17:53.53 | DocSalarySlave | IroN900:~# ./speedtest |
| 17:53.55 | DocSalarySlave | 107327155 |
| 17:54.16 | pugvadr | ty luke-jr ! |
| 17:56.04 | luke-jr | DocSalarySlave: srsly, no difference at all? :o |
| 17:56.12 | luke-jr | pugvadr: ? |
| 17:56.41 | pugvadr | for your interesting experiments |
| 17:56.54 | DocSalarySlave | I guess your line >>n += n * n;<< simply gets yanked as the result is never used |
| 17:57.31 | luke-jr | DocSalarySlave: are you using -O0 ? |
| 17:58.06 | DocSalarySlave | let's do it the other way round: what are you using? |
| 17:58.10 | DocSalarySlave | full cmdline |
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| 18:02.23 | luke-jr | DocSalarySlave: gcc a.c |
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| 18:04.43 | DocSalarySlave | hmmmm |
| 18:04.47 | DocSalarySlave | IroN900:~# ./speedtestint |
| 18:04.48 | DocSalarySlave | 313181606 |
| 18:04.50 | DocSalarySlave | IroN900:~# ./speedtestfloat |
| 18:04.51 | DocSalarySlave | 107024995 |
| 18:05.06 | pugvadr | hmm |
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| 18:05.23 | pugvadr | that is 3x faster? |
| 18:06.41 | luke-jr | so hardfp makes no difference at all? :/ |
| 18:07.03 | DocSalarySlave | or I'm using hardfp here :-P |
| 18:07.29 | DocSalarySlave | otoh if that's softfp then dang wtf |
| 18:07.40 | luke-jr | hardfp isn't binary compatible with softfp libs |
| 18:07.54 | DocSalarySlave | :nod: |
| 18:08.00 | DocSalarySlave | heard that |
| 18:08.04 | luke-jr | so I'd think it impossible to do hardfp on Maemo |
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| 18:27.10 | pugvadr | would be nice to fix the weird gfx bug on NoGravity n900 |
| 18:29.52 | DocSalarySlave | luke-jr: |
| 18:29.57 | luke-jr | ? |
| 18:30.00 | DocSalarySlave | IroN900:~# ./speedtestfloat |
| 18:30.02 | DocSalarySlave | 84094530 0 |
| 18:30.03 | DocSalarySlave | IroN900:~# ./speedtestint |
| 18:30.05 | DocSalarySlave | 237694654 446741238 |
| 18:30.11 | luke-jr | ? |
| 18:31.07 | DocSalarySlave | typedef int testtype; |
| 18:31.08 | DocSalarySlave | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.10 | DocSalarySlave | void alrm(int a) { |
| 18:31.11 | DocSalarySlave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.31 | luke-jr | if n in float, %d is worng |
| 18:31.33 | luke-jr | wrong* |
| 18:31.37 | DocSalarySlave | yup |
| 18:31.47 | DocSalarySlave | I didn't care |
| 18:31.50 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 18:33.35 | DocSalarySlave | anyway now result gets used, and seems the ratio is still 3/1 though definitely speed for both changed a lot |
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| 19:50.07 | Sicelo | ~flashing |
| 19:50.08 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 19:59.42 | Kosan | Will someone help me flash my N900 with Ubuntu Linux? I have little to no experience using it. |
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| 20:06.04 | Sicelo | hey Kosan. i was just thinking about u :P |
| 20:06.51 | Kosan | Yeah apperently I can't operate Linux. |
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| 20:07.54 | Sicelo | the wiki is kinda self-explanatory.. where are u having issues? |
| 20:08.23 | Kosan | Hold on. |
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| 20:10.03 | Kosan | Where it says <firmware-image> |
| 20:10.05 | Kosan | I don' |
| 20:10.15 | Kosan | I don't know how to tell it to go to a certain firmware image |
| 20:10.34 | Kosan | I have very little experience using linux. |
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| 20:10.44 | Sicelo | it's the one u downloaded |
| 20:10.47 | Kosan | Yes |
| 20:10.52 | Kosan | It's on the desktop. |
| 20:10.58 | Kosan | Do i need to put it somewhere else? |
| 20:10.59 | Sicelo | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:11.02 | Kosan | Yes |
| 20:11.04 | Kosan | that one. |
| 20:11.07 | Sicelo | oh :) |
| 20:11.40 | Sicelo | flasher -F /home/kosan/Desktop/Rx... |
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| 20:11.41 | corecode | hi |
| 20:11.47 | Kosan | ookay.. |
| 20:12.16 | Sicelo | i don't know how u have configured yours.. but that's the basic gnome path for desktop |
| 20:12.19 | corecode | i'm trying to set up wifi manually |
| 20:12.32 | corecode | but something keeps doing a ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 20:12.36 | corecode | what could that be? |
| 20:13.07 | Sicelo | i don't think there is corecode. |
| 20:13.59 | Sicelo | how do u set it up manually corecode? |
| 20:14.53 | corecode | iwconfig and ifconfig |
| 20:18.02 | Kosan | ):< Linux irritates me |
| 20:18.23 | luke-jr | Linux or Maemo? |
| 20:18.23 | Kosan | Ubuntu. |
| 20:18.24 | luke-jr | oh |
| 20:18.25 | Sicelo | what has happened now Kosan? |
| 20:18.26 | luke-jr | of course |
| 20:18.30 | Kosan | Nothing it's just |
| 20:18.33 | Kosan | making me angry D:< |
| 20:18.43 | Kosan | (It's because it's different) |
| 20:18.48 | Kosan | I don't like change :c |
| 20:20.06 | luke-jr | it's GNOME's fault |
| 20:20.10 | luke-jr | get a KDE-based OS |
| 20:20.51 | Kosan | "Error claiming USB interface: Operatation not permitted" |
| 20:20.57 | Kosan | When trying to flash the eMMC |
| 20:21.01 | Sicelo | root ^^ |
| 20:21.02 | Kosan | Grrr. |
| 20:21.04 | Kosan | oh. |
| 20:21.05 | Kosan | ;-; |
| 20:21.06 | Sicelo | sudo .. |
| 20:21.16 | luke-jr | lol |
| 20:21.27 | Kosan | don't make fun of me ;c |
| 20:21.58 | Kosan | oh |
| 20:22.00 | Sicelo | corecode: did u start with ifconfig wlan0 down before going iwconfig, etc.. |
| 20:22.04 | Kosan | It's working |
| 20:23.31 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:29.35 | Kosan | OH LOOK |
| 20:29.35 | Kosan | Even after flashing the eMMC |
| 20:29.35 | Kosan | it's still doing this shit.. |
| 20:29.35 | Kosan | wait. |
| 20:29.35 | Kosan | oh. |
| 20:29.35 | Kosan | NVM |
| 20:30.35 | Kosan | Thanks guys. |
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| 20:30.45 | pugvadr_ | :) |
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| 20:31.23 | bindi__ | hey |
| 20:32.17 | bindi__ | is it possible to use another phone as a remote? |
| 20:32.20 | bindi__ | for the n900 |
| 20:32.48 | bindi__ | n900 is driving the presentation (really simple) and i could use another phone for scrolling up/down |
| 20:33.13 | Sicelo | Kosan: meaning your N900 is running fine now? |
| 20:33.19 | bindi__ | is there anything like sending keys to active app through ssh? |
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| 20:37.25 | Sicelo | corecode: i haven't done all this myself, but have a look at the command sequence for n900 in this nicely commented script by mgedmin : http://mg.pov.lt/share-wifi |
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| 20:41.30 | Macer | ugh |
| 20:41.38 | Macer | i got kubuntu back on this old server to use as a workstation |
| 20:41.47 | Macer | too bad the power stuff doesn't properly work |
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| 20:46.32 | bindi__ | can I lock my screen from the terminal? |
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| 20:47.13 | Kosan | Sicelo yes |
| 20:47.28 | Sicelo | yes, see phone-control << bindi__ |
| 20:47.37 | Sicelo | u did it Kosan :P |
| 20:47.51 | bindi__ | got it |
| 20:48.25 | Kosan | Yep |
| 20:48.29 | Kosan | except.. |
| 20:48.34 | Kosan | my camera UI looks like the old one |
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| 20:48.42 | Kosan | and not the one from the... PR 1.3 or whateve.r |
| 20:49.05 | Sicelo | btw, Kosan, backupmenu is one good program to install asap |
| 20:49.11 | Kosan | Whats it do? |
| 20:49.25 | Sicelo | camera ui? yes, u are on pr1.3 |
| 20:49.39 | Kosan | Well I remember the camera did a bunch of other stuff. |
| 20:49.59 | Sicelo | i guess that was extra software.. eg bless |
| 20:50.06 | Kosan | I guess. |
| 20:50.09 | Sicelo | almost never uses his camera |
| 20:50.18 | Kosan | I use it a lot |
| 20:50.26 | Kosan | I wish there was a theme that was like |
| 20:50.31 | Kosan | super high contrast |
| 20:50.32 | Kosan | for using outside |
| 20:51.30 | Sicelo | backupmenu helps u make better backups, and allows u to also boot the device in special modes (well, u need some linux knowledge to use that fully) |
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| 20:52.01 | Sicelo | u used wubi or ubuntu proper? |
| 20:53.36 | Kosan | I booted from a USB |
| 20:54.19 | Sicelo | ok. |
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| 21:18.09 | Macer | lmao |
| 21:18.49 | Macer | Sicelo: it is probably important to point out that backupmenu relies on making sure the device is using the same kernel when the image is made |
| 21:19.02 | Macer | otherwise you have a prett bad day |
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| 22:38.52 | fosstux | Hi! I'm planning to reflash my n900. |
| 22:39.34 | fosstux | What do I flash first? The RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? |
| 22:39.53 | luke-jr | only the latter |
| 22:40.01 | luke-jr | no need to reflash eMMC in most cases |
| 22:40.02 | fosstux | thanks |
| 22:40.07 | luke-jr | and doing so will destroy your personal data |
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| 22:40.36 | fosstux | yep |
| 22:40.51 | fosstux | Is it reasonable to update to meego? |
| 22:40.59 | fosstux | or mer? |
| 22:40.59 | luke-jr | #meego |
| 22:41.04 | luke-jr | Mer is dead as a doorknob |
| 22:41.10 | luke-jr | MeeGo is dead too IIRC, but no idea how far it got |
| 22:41.19 | fosstux | and meego runs well on n900? |
| 22:41.24 | luke-jr | no idea |
| 22:41.29 | luke-jr | I work on Gentoo+N900 |
| 22:41.42 | NIN101 | Mer is dead? |
| 22:42.14 | luke-jr | well, no idea on the "new" Mer |
| 22:42.42 | NIN101 | this is alive afaik. |
| 22:44.05 | njsf | re |
| 22:44.40 | njsf | DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: all is well with my N900 gps. Thanks. It really does seem like supl.nokia.com is utterly b0rked |
| 22:47.22 | luke-jr | hrm |
| 22:47.31 | luke-jr | my N900 keeps rebooting randomly into actdead mode |
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| 23:00.29 | chem|st | luke-jr: lol you have no clue about nothing! |
| 23:00.34 | chem|st | do you? |
| 23:14.32 | luke-jr | chem|st: troll |
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| 23:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | njsf: yw, pleased to hear it works now |
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| 23:27.35 | jonwil | cant find anyone who is interested in icd-wlan-priority |
| 23:27.37 | jonwil | :( |
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| 23:30.20 | ds3 | anyone working on a package for the MetaWatch that will work on the last official Nokia image? |
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| 23:32.20 | merlin1991 | jonwil: I'd like it to work like on harmattan, that I can set specific wireless networks to not be conencted to automatically |
| 23:33.08 | jonwil | well I am not working on Harmattan |
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| 23:37.01 | ds3 | guess I am the only one doing it then |
| 23:38.22 | HyperSnyper | not many people have read that in the last 10 mins, could be others... |
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| 23:42.23 | Trcx | If I had questions about the n900 would this be the right place to ask? |
| 23:42.23 | merlin1991 | jonwil: you missunderstood that :D |
| 23:42.34 | merlin1991 | on maemo you can select that it either autoconnects to wlan or not |
| 23:42.38 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 23:42.51 | merlin1991 | on harmattan you can select networks it will autoconnect to |
| 23:42.52 | jonwil | that will be possible with the design I have in mind |
| 23:42.54 | merlin1991 | and ones it wont |
| 23:42.57 | NIN101 | Trcx: yes |
| 23:43.04 | merlin1991 | that's what I'd like |
| 23:43.06 | jonwil | if you just assign a priority of 0 to the networks you dont want to autoconnect to |
| 23:43.31 | jonwil | Although in the design I have in mind, if it sees a higher priority network than the one you are on, it will connect to that automatically |
| 23:44.41 | Trcx | Ok, Just wanting to confirm some things: |
| 23:44.49 | Trcx | 1) You can load android on it |
| 23:45.17 | Trcx | 2) There is full monitor mode, and packet injection support with the build in wifi chip |
| 23:45.42 | Trcx | 3) You have complete root access out of the box (no rooting/jailbreaking) |
| 23:45.48 | Trcx | Am I right? |
| 23:46.29 | jonwil | For #3, yes |
| 23:46.57 | jonwil | for #1, in theory yes but the android port is junk (or so I heard) |
| 23:47.17 | luke-jr | Trcx: no |
| 23:47.22 | Trcx | Awesome |
| 23:47.27 | luke-jr | you do need to root/jailbreak it, but it's pretty trivial |
| 23:47.41 | jonwil | yeah you need to install rootsh from the repos |
| 23:47.50 | luke-jr | I can't comment on monitor mode. N810 at least was missing signal strength etc in the packet data headers |
| 23:47.52 | jonwil | to be able to login as root |
| 23:47.53 | merlin1991 | Trcx: 2) is a yes too |
| 23:47.55 | Trcx | Is that it? Lol, that's simple |
| 23:48.04 | luke-jr | I don't recall installing anything… |
| 23:48.08 | luke-jr | IIRC, sudo gainroot just worked |
| 23:48.13 | merlin1991 | custom kernel + driver and jull monitor / packet injection |
| 23:48.14 | jonwil | hmmm ok |
| 23:48.25 | luke-jr | Trcx: for *practical* purposes, you can't load Android |
| 23:48.32 | luke-jr | Trcx: also note that Maemo is both closed source and abanonded |
| 23:48.58 | Trcx | Fair enough, I would really want to run android, just more of for messing with when i need to |
| 23:49.15 | luke-jr | I don't know if anyone is working on Android anymore |
| 23:49.22 | luke-jr | AFAIK it never was able to make phone calls |
| 23:49.26 | Trcx | And Maemo is the os (Sorry for being a complete n00b) |
| 23:49.37 | luke-jr | Mameo is the shipped N900 OS |
| 23:49.43 | luke-jr | I'm working on the Gentoo port |
| 23:49.51 | Trcx | (Just want to know what I'm getting when I drop $500 on a phone) |
| 23:50.05 | merlin1991 | Trcx: get it cheaper |
| 23:50.06 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:50.10 | Trcx | Where |
| 23:50.17 | Trcx | And I was just ballparking it |
| 23:50.51 | Trcx | Amazon sell them new for ~$400 I think (haven't looked too much) |
| 23:50.54 | luke-jr | Trcx: N900 is not a phone. |
| 23:51.05 | luke-jr | also afaik you can't get them new anymore O.o |
| 23:52.32 | merlin1991 | but yes maemo5 is the os, android is possible (google for nitroid), packet injection see: http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/, root is a matter of installing a package or using a nokia shippped tool to enable r&d mode |
| 23:53.44 | Trcx | Thank you for the information. From what I'm reading it seems like you can do anything with the n900. |
| 23:53.53 | NIN101 | even fly to mars |
| 23:54.04 | Trcx | lol, that might be pushing it |
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| 23:55.32 | luke-jr | Trcx: not really. |