| 00:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | (though I haven't tested all possible 256) |
| 00:00.44 | Sicelo | what is recommended way to exit? |
| 00:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd? there's none ;-P |
| 00:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | close shell |
| 00:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | or kill pnatd |
| 00:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | from a second shell |
| 00:01.42 | Sicelo | ok. just remembered that minicom can do funny things if not exited correctly |
| 00:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd is a fake serial connection, or no serial connection at all |
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| 00:03.23 | Sicelo | this is only my second time using pnatd. first time was when u heleped someone set auto-answer, lol |
| 00:04.05 | Sicelo | s/epe/pe/ |
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| 00:16.37 | AminCX | well i have root now |
| 00:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | I helped smeone to set autoanswer? where? I just posted a general "howto" on tmo lately |
| 00:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: start pnatd |
| 00:17.53 | AminCX | i cant type in it ! |
| 00:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | in pnatd? |
| 00:18.23 | AminCX | after pnatd |
| 00:18.32 | AminCX | i can't insert anything to xterm . |
| 00:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | seems to indicate your modem is dead |
| 00:18.46 | SpeedEvil | It may simply be powered off |
| 00:18.52 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure what happens in that case |
| 00:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | lemme test |
| 00:20.05 | AminCX | is it software or hardware ? how can i be sure ? |
| 00:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, seems I have no idea how to "switch off modem" |
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| 00:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | offline mode has no impact |
| 00:21.07 | SpeedEvil | I suspect pnatd fakes quite a lot |
| 00:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | at least it doesn't fake basic entering of AT |
| 00:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | see AminCX ^^^ |
| 00:22.11 | AminCX | see what ? |
| 00:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil shall notice that your pnatd refuses to accept AT<enter> |
| 00:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, try typing it blind |
| 00:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | enter |
| 00:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | AT<enter> |
| 00:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | AT<enter> |
| 00:23.21 | SpeedEvil | I can't at the moment - n900 is powered off and charging in another room |
| 00:23.24 | AminCX | ok, |
| 00:23.30 | AminCX | i'm typing AT now |
| 00:23.32 | SpeedEvil | Wll - I can - but I'm not feeling up to getting it. |
| 00:23.52 | AminCX | well enetered, nothing |
| 00:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | I am not aware of any method to reach that state with "normal means" |
| 00:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | reflash with global COMBINED |
| 00:24.33 | SpeedEvil | reboot, and try again |
| 00:24.35 | AminCX | ok |
| 00:24.37 | SpeedEvil | otherwise, that |
| 00:26.25 | AminCX | 100% (185728 of 0 kB, avg. 185728 kB/s) |
| 00:26.26 | AminCX | Finishing flashing... done |
| 00:26.54 | AminCX | i'm waiting for the end, how much it takes in normal ? |
| 00:27.15 | nox- | i wonder if it tries to flash the modem fw and fails... |
| 00:27.43 | SpeedEvil | wishes he had a proper n900 schematic. |
| 00:27.54 | SpeedEvil | + docs and design details. |
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| 00:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | what's missing? |
| 00:28.09 | AminCX | talking about me ? |
| 00:28.23 | AminCX | i already opened it and i know the n2200 |
| 00:28.28 | SpeedEvil | Chances of databooks for Rapuyama... seem quite small. |
| 00:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | ooh yes |
| 00:29.09 | AminCX | i just cleared it with the spray |
| 00:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: you flashed global COMBINED? |
| 00:29.15 | AminCX | just for testing |
| 00:29.18 | AminCX | yes |
| 00:29.35 | AminCX | its still on the line : Finishing flashing... done |
| 00:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | it failed again? |
| 00:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 00:30.35 | AminCX | its still on the line : Finishing flashing... done, last time it took almost half a hour and nothing . |
| 00:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it usually doesn't take more than 2 or 3 minutes |
| 00:31.00 | SpeedEvil | From memory, it returns in under 30s |
| 00:31.09 | SpeedEvil | It's been ages since I flashed though |
| 00:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:31.33 | AminCX | so i have to stop it ? |
| 00:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid a second reflash won't do any better |
| 00:32.28 | AminCX | how about second emmc flash ? |
| 00:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | no effect |
| 00:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | unrelated |
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| 00:33.00 | AminCX | old version ? |
| 00:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | but hey, you got nothing to lose |
| 00:33.17 | AminCX | ok . |
| 00:34.51 | AminCX | vanilla flashing is going on . |
| 00:35.26 | AminCX | can i turned it up after vanilla flashing completed or as the pattern said i have to do the combined ? |
| 00:35.42 | AminCX | Image(s) flashed successfully in 42.125 s (5724 kB/s)! |
| 00:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | you could try coldflashing cmt, but that'S sth nobody ever has done afaik |
| 00:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | so it's pretty unclear how that shall work on a working devie |
| 00:36.21 | AminCX | could you please give me the command lines for that ? |
| 00:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | must be related to: |
| 00:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | but as said above, I dunno how that should actually get accomplished |
| 00:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | and odds that it would work and fix your problem are minimal, like 1/10000 |
| 00:39.05 | AminCX | as you said i have NOTHING to loose :( |
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| 00:39.48 | AminCX | don't you have anything in mind about how to figure out that is it hardware or software ? |
| 00:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | when flashing doesn't work all odds are it's HW |
| 00:40.32 | AminCX | by the way done EMMC and combined and no result like before . |
| 00:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | coldflashing the main processor works with >>--cold-flash, -c "Cold flash" the device<<, I don't find a matching --cmt-cold-flash though |
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| 00:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | get device to BNokia repair shop, tell them you won't accept a swap for another model |
| 00:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | or try disassembling the device and rinsing it with 99% ethanol/methanol/isopropyl |
| 00:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'm short of really good ideas how to help any further |
| 00:45.43 | AminCX | it's so risky, i will try the one, if it was software i was gonna do anything but hardware :( |
| 00:47.20 | AminCX | and for the record i opened up the device twice, and the last time i sprayed and checked the antenna connectors and pulled them up and did other things, it was ok after that! but 8 or 10 hour later the error aperas . so i think it is definitly hardware . |
| 00:47.42 | SpeedEvil | Antenna is a red-herring. |
| 00:48.06 | SpeedEvil | It sounds like you've got a cracked ball, or a broken track or something. |
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| 00:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 00:48.32 | SpeedEvil | Flexing the PCB, or in principle, reflowing the chip - may make it better temporarily or permenantly |
| 00:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | or worse ;-) |
| 00:49.23 | SpeedEvil | Well - it's hard for the modem to get worse |
| 00:49.31 | SpeedEvil | But yes. |
| 00:49.50 | AminCX | ouch ! but i don't know what exactly did it right ! i just played with the board ! |
| 00:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | but yeah, gently(!) pushing on the PCB while booting up may show it works which proves it's a solder defect |
| 00:50.08 | SpeedEvil | What we really need is for someone to make a thin module that can fit on the existing solder-pads, after teh chips are cleaned off, and has a more modern modem. :) |
| 00:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | ugh |
| 00:51.49 | AminCX | if i knew more about electronics maybe i was going to put heater on the IC's but i don't actually . |
| 00:53.08 | AminCX | it's too bad to be in the hell, i can't event find an authorized repair service. anyway i'm gonna give it up and go for an unauthorized repair service . |
| 00:54.19 | AminCX | anyway thank you guys for helping me here . it was my last chance to repair it my self . :-) |
| 00:55.35 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 00:58.21 | AminCX | a little sleepy it's 4:26 AM in here. well i'm going to sleep, and for those who thinking about hell, hell is here in my country, IRAN, goodnight . |
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| 01:06.14 | luke-jr | so my N900 decided to stop working on cellular … :/ |
| 01:06.18 | luke-jr | how can I debug it? |
| 01:06.25 | luke-jr | GPRS6 specifically |
| 01:07.47 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:07.55 | SpeedEvil | All cellular? |
| 01:08.01 | luke-jr | I only have GPRS6 |
| 01:08.22 | bindi | how can I change the menu background visibility? |
| 01:08.31 | bindi | its like 100% now and I can't see the white text of the icons |
| 01:09.09 | luke-jr | since my Gentoo partition got corrupt-dead, I can't even try stracing crap |
| 01:15.01 | bindi | argh |
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| 01:15.12 | bindi | can anyone report a bug for me? if it's not already reported |
| 01:15.18 | bindi | it's been 3 months since i spotted this though |
| 01:15.36 | bindi | bugtracker needs login, don't have an account :> and can't find a way to email this guy |
| 01:15.52 | bindi | anyway, camera lens launcher doesn't launch BlessN900 when set to preferred application :F |
| 01:15.57 | bindi | works with the popup menu though |
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| 01:19.33 | luke-jr | bindi: report your own bugs. not like they'll ever get fixed. |
| 01:19.49 | bindi | just said i don't have an account and don't bother to create one :p |
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| 01:38.32 | Anita1 | hello, I have a question. I want to update my CSSU, but I get an error, hildon-desktop conflicting. It says it depends hildon-desktop (>=1:2.2.142-16) but 1:2.2.142-14 to be installed |
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| 01:41.24 | merlin1991 | Anita1: from where to where do you want to update? |
| 01:42.03 | Anita1 | trying to update to latest one that appears on FAM |
| 01:42.10 | Anita1 | from where, let me check |
| 01:42.43 | Anita1 | 20.2010.36-2maemo15 |
| 01:43.26 | Anita1 | trying to update to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 |
| 01:43.37 | merlin1991 | apt-cache policy hildon-desktop |
| 01:44.36 | Anita1 | done, waiting to finish the job |
| 01:44.59 | merlin1991 | I meant tell me what it says |
| 01:45.06 | merlin1991 | that command just displays a lil stuff |
| 01:45.15 | Anita1 | yep, just got output |
| 01:45.34 | Anita1 | installed : 1:2.2.142-14 |
| 01:46.05 | merlin1991 | and the candidates line? |
| 01:46.12 | Anita1 | hmm. wait. this will get some longer than I think, by typing it manually |
| 01:46.16 | Anita1 | none |
| 01:46.23 | merlin1991 | uh oh |
| 01:47.20 | merlin1991 | Anita1: mine looks like http://pastebin.com/79a0sR0M, but I'm on stable |
| 01:47.26 | Anita1 | thanks for the stable version btw, great effort :) thanks to all supporters of CSSU :) |
| 01:47.26 | merlin1991 | do you really have no candidate line? |
| 01:47.41 | Anita1 | I have Candidate: (none) |
| 01:47.46 | merlin1991 | ouch |
| 01:47.51 | merlin1991 | is the cssu repo still active? |
| 01:48.07 | Anita1 | must be so, let me check. |
| 01:48.36 | Anita1 | yep, I see a green dot next to CSSU repo |
| 01:48.56 | Anita1 | url is http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ , right? |
| 01:48.59 | merlin1991 | do you have modified hildon-desktop installed for some odd reason? |
| 01:49.02 | merlin1991 | yep that url is right |
| 01:49.36 | Anita1 | I had, in past, but I don't know when I did flash last time. |
| 01:49.44 | LaoLang_cool | scrolling to top/bottom is a pain when at a long list... |
| 01:49.52 | merlin1991 | just do apt-cache policy modified-hildon-desktop |
| 01:49.56 | Anita1 | tried to remove modified-hildon-desktop but says there's nothing like that installed. |
| 01:50.41 | Anita1 | installed: none |
| 01:50.45 | Anita1 | candidate: none |
| 01:50.46 | merlin1991 | anything in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 01:51.24 | Anita1 | package: hildon-desktop |
| 01:51.33 | Anita1 | pin: release a=unstable |
| 01:51.39 | Anita1 | pin-priority: 1001 |
| 01:51.45 | Anita1 | that's all. |
| 01:51.47 | merlin1991 | nuke that and try again |
| 01:53.26 | Anita1 | I didn't see any info for this problem at wiki page, my search didn't give any result also. okay, got it :) |
| 01:53.43 | Anita1 | downloading 20k kb data now. :) |
| 01:54.44 | merlin1991 | you practically pinned hildon-desktop to something that doesn't exist with a priority that nukes any installation of another hildon-desktop |
| 01:54.56 | Anita1 | thanks! :) is there any profile switcher widget anyway, have to change profiles so often, doing it from menu can be pain sometimes |
| 01:55.14 | merlin1991 | so far, I think someone was working on ne but dunno |
| 01:55.16 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 01:55.26 | merlin1991 | s/so far/so far not/ |
| 01:55.43 | Anita1 | yeah, I couldn't update to one that was before this release |
| 01:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pong |
| 01:56.42 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I remember you posting that thread about profile switching research, got it still handy somewhere? |
| 01:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | ugh, sorry nope |
| 01:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | I started that thread? the it is simple as I started few |
| 01:57.45 | Anita1 | I think I saw something like my need on my-maemo or sth like that. But it wasn't filling my need completely.. |
| 01:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=11881767 |
| 02:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I think I joined in to some rant about tweakr etc |
| 02:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | it has been mentioned on MWKN |
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| 02:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://www.mwkn.net/2011/19/apps.html |
| 02:04.12 | merlin1991 | thanks |
| 02:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=998070#post998070 |
| 02:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU thread ;-P |
| 02:07.07 | merlin1991 | you mean that abdomination of a general purpouse forum inside a thread thing? |
| 02:07.28 | merlin1991 | s/purpouse/purpose/ |
| 02:08.02 | merlin1991 | dang I need my 2nd n900 |
| 02:08.13 | merlin1991 | it's shipping from the us and should be here by now :/ |
| 02:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 02:08.38 | merlin1991 | can't go and talk about stable/not stabale testing components if I can't even run testing ffs |
| 02:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, regarding profiles, I seem to start recalling a few details, so what do you wanna know? |
| 02:09.11 | merlin1991 | I was only wondering how far people got with it |
| 02:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | seems it stalled, like so many things |
| 02:09.45 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any idea how to debug the network thing in Maemo5? |
| 02:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | too few parameters, doesn't compute |
| 02:10.41 | merlin1991 | the cssu stable announce gave me an insane posts to thanks ratio xD |
| 02:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 02:11.03 | SpeedEvil | The thanks are a lie! |
| 02:11.12 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: are they like cake? |
| 02:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | I once was beyond 6 thanks / post. not anymore though |
| 02:11.16 | luke-jr | lol |
| 02:11.27 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: GPRS6 stopped working. How do I find out why? :p |
| 02:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | ugh |
| 02:12.14 | SpeedEvil | What is GPRS6? |
| 02:12.18 | SpeedEvil | A provider? |
| 02:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | a typo |
| 02:12.39 | merlin1991 | currently at 17 posts to 109 thanks :P |
| 02:12.40 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: a network type |
| 02:12.44 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: GPRS with IPv6 |
| 02:12.47 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 02:12.58 | SpeedEvil | Does GPRS/2G work? |
| 02:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 02:13.31 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not sure it's supposed to |
| 02:13.38 | luke-jr | tries |
| 02:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | hardcore network tools like e.g. ping, to interface, via IPv6? |
| 02:13.51 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: your media player thread has 666 posts |
| 02:14.10 | luke-jr | blah, no signal inside… |
| 02:14.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no good when the network applet refuses to connect |
| 02:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | I never knew maemo would support native IPv6 |
| 02:15.28 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: me either until I had to reflash it :o |
| 02:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, refusal to connect seems rather unrelated to IVvX |
| 02:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | IPvN |
| 02:15.59 | luke-jr | weird thing I noticed too: on wifi, it doesn't do IPv6 |
| 02:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 02:17.01 | luke-jr | there's a link-local v6 on wifi, but no WAN |
| 02:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea about all this |
| 02:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | I admit I rarely ever looked into IPv6 |
| 02:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | so I know a few basics, but no experience |
| 02:18.35 | SpeedEvil | argues for IPv3. |
| 02:18.42 | SpeedEvil | There are too many people on the internet. |
| 02:19.13 | ThreeM | :) |
| 02:19.20 | Anita1 | btw, I have one more issue. When I reboot, I can't connect anything-nothing shows up. I had set it to unload wifi drivers when it boots. When I click to load wifi driver, it turns to normal, then I can see GPRS and wifi connections. After I click to unload wifi driver again, everything is normal, can't see wifi connections but GPRS ones. At the beginning I don't see any of them. |
| 02:19.45 | luke-jr | GPRS[4] works fine |
| 02:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | >>I had set it to unload wifi drivers when it boots.<< errr what? |
| 02:21.38 | Anita1 | via a program, that sits above orientation lock :) |
| 02:21.58 | Anita1 | I suspect that causes trouble though. |
| 02:23.40 | luke-jr | great, now wifi no work either |
| 02:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | re profiles widget: I think you could get a few queenbeecon buttons to send dbus profile-switch cmds. If that works then the dbus cmd shall be in wiki phone-control |
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| 02:26.19 | luke-jr | what would I strace for network applet? :| |
| 02:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | ugh |
| 02:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | ICD2 ? |
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| 02:27.31 | luke-jr | it seems to just tell something else to do it over dbus :| |
| 02:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | ask jonwil, he looked into that stuff recently |
| 02:28.29 | luke-jr | jonwil, wil thou help me? :P |
| 02:28.42 | luke-jr | wonders if a cold reboot would help |
| 02:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | coldboot sometimes helps wonders |
| 02:29.10 | jonwil | hmmm, I dont know anything about the GPRS plugin |
| 02:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | <luke-jr> what would I strace for network applet? |
| 02:29.49 | Anita1 | will dig some info for queenbeecon now. Never had it on my n900 :o |
| 02:30.28 | jonwil | icd2 is what actually does the work of connecting and disconnecting |
| 02:30.43 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 02:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: first check if profiles actually can get switched via dbus |
| 02:30.58 | jonwil | Best place to start is dbus |
| 02:31.28 | jonwil | use dbus-monitor to log what the network switcher applet sends to icd2 |
| 02:31.30 | luke-jr | there's a long pause after 'before QuickConnect' |
| 02:31.51 | jonwil | if you can find that, I can possibly find out more about what icd2 does with those dbus calls |
| 02:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Profiles |
| 02:32.47 | luke-jr | QuickConnect failed ((null)): Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
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| 02:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: I prefer desktop execution widget, QB is way too oversophisticated |
| 02:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: actually it took me 30min to set up a button on QB, while same thing on DEW takes 30s to set up |
| 02:34.03 | Anita1 | it worked, nice. :) |
| 02:34.55 | Anita1 | have you got any idea for connections issue btw? |
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| 02:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | hm? |
| 02:35.20 | Anita1 | the load unload thing that I told |
| 02:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | I have no clue what you even meant by your statement I quoted |
| 02:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of unloading something on boot |
| 02:36.18 | Anita1 | not on the boot actually |
| 02:36.29 | Anita1 | when it cames to desktop |
| 02:36.37 | luke-jr | "Service option not subscribed" |
| 02:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | what for? |
| 02:36.42 | Anita1 | couldn't tell it in english, lol. |
| 02:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | I never thought about unloading any connection driver or sth |
| 02:37.26 | Anita1 | can someone explain wth is "cames". it is 4.37am here, my brain a lil bit juicy. |
| 02:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: I dunno what you do and esp WHY |
| 02:38.44 | Anita1 | well, it was for the radiation, plus battery saving idea. |
| 02:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | WLAN gets switched off by unloading the wl1251.ko module |
| 02:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | but ICD2 does that for you |
| 02:39.14 | Anita1 | I nearly don't use wifi on n900, so choose to unload it |
| 02:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a short while where it didn't, somewhere shortly after PR1.0.1 or sth |
| 02:40.40 | Anita1 | the program that I mentioned was advanced interface switcher |
| 02:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | which caused the bug of "battery drains like hell when WLAN not associated to AP |
| 02:41.03 | psycho_oreos | you could probably also blacklist wl12{xx,51} module so that it would not get loaded at subsequent bootups |
| 02:41.10 | Anita1 | for wlan, I removed the tick for enable on startup. thats all. |
| 02:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: that's a funny idea, but not really useful |
| 02:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | simply disable WLAN all together |
| 02:42.00 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, not at all but heck, someone wants to save power then that's one of the more extreme measures :D |
| 02:42.42 | Anita1 | what you mean, disable wlan all together? does AIS not do it? |
| 02:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: as mentioned before, ICD2 unloads that module every 5 minutes when you said "check for wlan availability interval: 5min" |
| 02:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | when you disable WLAN then the module never gets loaded |
| 02:43.56 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh I didn't know that, I thought ICD2 would not do something like iwlist wlan0 scan every 5 or minutes interval |
| 02:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: that function in this AIS app is cruft |
| 02:44.17 | psycho_oreos | I don't use AIS so I wouldn't know |
| 02:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | me neither |
| 02:44.41 | psycho_oreos | plus I hardly ever had the need to disable wireless because I use it almost every time |
| 02:45.07 | Anita1 | hm. that looked handy for me actually, pity it is not much effective then |
| 02:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | what I know however is my syslog that shows module and iw1251 firmware loading logs every 10 min |
| 02:46.17 | psycho_oreos | there are plenty of ways to save battery power.. stuff like autodisconnect and setting brightness levels down to minimum, etc helps |
| 02:46.32 | psycho_oreos | even lower backlight timeout |
| 02:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | so simply uncheck the "automatically switch to WLAN if available" checkbox in settings->internet and all is fine |
| 02:48.02 | SpeedEvil | Backlight - on the lower levels - is almost unimportant - the screen being on uses lots of power |
| 02:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | auto-disconnect is quite questionable as well |
| 02:48.09 | psycho_oreos | probably also change the connect automatically to `always ask' as well |
| 02:48.20 | luke-jr | wonders why monitor mode can't sniff 3-4 channels at the same time |
| 02:48.33 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Hardware limits. |
| 02:48.38 | SpeedEvil | Or firmware. |
| 02:48.39 | psycho_oreos | that's because the wireless only has one radio |
| 02:48.41 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: but the channels overlap :| |
| 02:48.53 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: You can hear 4 people at once. |
| 02:49.00 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And pay attention to one of them. |
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| 02:49.11 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Now, why can't you pay attention to all of them speaking at once? |
| 02:49.17 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I can |
| 02:49.23 | Anita1 | my brightness level is at 2, I don't stay connected when it is not needed, also lock screen when out of use, no need to lower timeout. |
| 02:49.45 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Not and understand multiple people saying different things at the same time. |
| 02:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | difficult for 2, impossible for 4 |
| 02:50.18 | psycho_oreos | I've mine set to one and almost always using 2.5G instead of 3 |
| 02:50.25 | Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; still same here. enabled wifi on startup, did a cold boot and still same. |
| 02:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes I train my brain by intentionally listening to 2 convos |
| 02:50.56 | luke-jr | ok, I admit I probably can't do 4… |
| 02:51.04 | Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; Booted, clicked opera, clicked a webpage, it directly said connection error, not even asking which connection to choose |
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| 02:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: uninstall this AIS cruft |
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| 02:51.50 | Anita1 | noooooooooooooo :'( |
| 02:51.58 | Anita1 | damn, ok. |
| 02:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | it sounds like a very poorly designed app to me |
| 02:52.16 | luke-jr | there's no way that radio interferance could break only IPv6, right? |
| 02:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's using deprecated or obsolete methods to cure problems that are dead since long time |
| 02:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: right |
| 02:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but since a lot of the TCP/IP stack for GSM is inside the modem, I can only guess what might go wrong when trying to use IPv& over cellular |
| 02:54.16 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it was working fine before today |
| 02:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | IPv6 |
| 02:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe your carrier messed up things today? |
| 02:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | who knows |
| 02:54.43 | luke-jr | maybe. I emailed them. |
| 02:55.10 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you on Diaspora btw? |
| 02:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | I had the problem 2G didn't work for 1 week. Then I rebooted ;-P |
| 02:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nfc what you're saying |
| 02:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | so probably I'm not |
| 02:56.47 | pabs3 | Diaspora is like Facebook but open source and federated |
| 02:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | please help me out - what for was that facebook thing again? I only know I won't touch it with a 10 ft pole |
| 02:57.59 | luke-jr | cold boot didn't help |
| 02:58.17 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's like slow IRC |
| 02:58.59 | psycho_oreos | more like a perverted version of tmo |
| 02:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, well I got fast IRC |
| 02:59.19 | psycho_oreos | there's no thanks! button, there's only like button |
| 02:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | and I try to avoid tmo as much as possible |
| 02:59.44 | luke-jr | :P |
| 02:59.48 | pabs3 | whats wrong with tmo? |
| 02:59.51 | merlin1991 | lmao fb == perverted tmo |
| 02:59.52 | merlin1991 | awesome |
| 02:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~tmo |
| 02:59.55 | infobot | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 03:00.06 | merlin1991 | and no fb is not framebuffer ;) |
| 03:00.24 | merlin1991 | ~cssu |
| 03:00.24 | infobot | it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 03:00.49 | Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; I managed to do it via desktop command execution widget, profile widget ;) |
| 03:00.58 | merlin1991 | ~worldpeace |
| 03:01.00 | luke-jr | emerge tcpdump |
| 03:01.10 | merlin1991 | dang, there goes that chance |
| 03:01.26 | luke-jr | infobot: worldpeace is found only in Jesus Christ |
| 03:01.26 | infobot | luke-jr: okay |
| 03:01.30 | luke-jr | ~worldpeace |
| 03:01.30 | infobot | from memory, worldpeace is found only in Jesus Christ |
| 03:01.35 | luke-jr | merlin1991: fixed |
| 03:01.37 | LaoLang_cool | mypaint is very slow... |
| 03:01.47 | LaoLang_cool | Any other app recommended? |
| 03:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | gimp |
| 03:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 03:02.08 | luke-jr | Krita |
| 03:02.12 | luke-jr | KolourPaint perhaps |
| 03:02.27 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: even bloat I think! |
| 03:02.37 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any tips on avoiding the USB port breaking btw? |
| 03:02.47 | LaoLang_cool | luke-jr: will have a try, thank you |
| 03:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~usb-fix |
| 03:02.48 | infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< |
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| 03:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | wtf, how often I fixed that crap?? |
| 03:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 03:03.22 | infobot | [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 03:03.23 | LaoLang_cool | no search result with krita and KolourPaint :( |
| 03:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 03:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget usb-fix |
| 03:03.34 | infobot | i forgot usb-fix, DocScrutinizer |
| 03:04.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~usb-fix is <reply>see usbfix |
| 03:04.04 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 03:04.39 | psycho_oreos | ~usb-fix |
| 03:04.40 | infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 03:07.36 | luke-jr | so which solution is safest? :\ |
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| 03:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking |
| 03:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | soldering |
| 03:09.34 | Anita1 | <DocScrutinizer> ; I did it ;) working flawlessly. ;) |
| 03:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ^^^ |
| 03:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: the last one was about connections |
| 03:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | not about profiles |
| 03:10.23 | Anita1 | ah, ok then, I'm all ears. |
| 03:14.16 | Anita1 | "If "boolean:true" at the end, one-line notification saying "No saved connections available" appears. Maybe affects more than that? Most likely, boolean:true leads to using saved connections if there are any, and boolean:false forces to display the connection dialog. " |
| 03:14.28 | Anita1 | "Connect (show change connection UI) |
| 03:14.28 | Anita1 | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd_ui /com/nokia/icd_ui com.nokia.icd_ui.show_conn_dlg boolean:false |
| 03:14.29 | Anita1 | " |
| 03:15.02 | Anita1 | I only see these related |
| 03:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's not as helpful as I thought |
| 03:16.52 | Anita1 | uninstalled and it is still not connecting anything. great. will try dbus command now. |
| 03:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | blames self to not have added the "switch >use wifi if available< dbus cmd" |
| 03:18.23 | Anita1 | :p |
| 03:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: this app might have seiously messed up your data accounts |
| 03:20.23 | Anita1 | data accounts? |
| 03:20.42 | DocScrutinizer | internet connections |
| 03:21.19 | Anita1 | tried the dbus command, connection dialog pops up, says there's no connection, my GPRS connection is not in the list. |
| 03:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | the data sets describing ways to access internet for the ICD2 connection manager |
| 03:22.06 | Anita1 | I see the light. The light of re-flash. |
| 03:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | go to settings->internet->connections. See if you can tidy up your GPRS connection there |
| 03:23.07 | Anita1 | there's nothing wrong there. |
| 03:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 03:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | something with the guts of ICD2 is messed up |
| 03:24.43 | Anita1 | Let me try to explain again, if I try to connect just after startup nothing happens, can't even choose which connection to use. But if I load wifi driver, then everything is ok, can unload wifi after that, it is just as to be. |
| 03:25.11 | Anita1 | have to install AIS again, have no internet connection. great =) |
| 03:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, wifi driver is not supposed to get unloaded by any non-osso random app |
| 03:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | so obviously AIS messed up a lot of things |
| 03:26.40 | Anita1 | probably. |
| 03:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | in a mission to do things that are not really needed or would make any sense at all |
| 03:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | seems AIS should get kicked from extras if it's there |
| 03:29.04 | Anita1 | can be another thing that causes this too, I don't know when it started |
| 03:30.00 | Anita1 | well, I have a non-connectable n900 now. Any idea? |
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| 03:33.55 | Anita1 | need the deb file, only way out here I see. How to get the deb file then? |
| 03:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/a/advanced-interface-switcher/advanced-interface-switcher_0.3.8-3_all.deb |
| 03:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/advanced-interface-switcher/0.3.8-3/ |
| 03:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/advanced-interface-switcher/ |
| 03:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | what a shitty app that breaks connectivity so badly on simple uninstalling |
| 03:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | Anita1: copy to phone via mass storage mode |
| 03:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | unless that'S broken now as well ;-P |
| 03:39.41 | Anita1 | the problem is not leaving user desperate for connections, problem is itself, messing up things about connections which is critical for N900 |
| 03:39.59 | Anita1 | yeah. back in action now. |
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| 03:40.45 | Anita1 | I'm afraid I'll use it as it is now. Not even have time to report the bug :S it is 5.40am here, must sleep some time, after that need to study SOME time, damn. |
| 03:41.00 | Anita1 | can you do it for me Doc? |
| 03:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | oh well, 0.3.5.1 was like 14 months ago. around that time there might have been an excuse to unload wl1251 driver |
| 03:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | do what, kick that devel' |
| 03:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | s ass about it? |
| 03:42.15 | Anita1 | lol, it is up to you |
| 03:42.19 | Anita1 | it is handy actually |
| 03:42.29 | Anita1 | pity it caused some trouble |
| 03:42.39 | Anita1 | can you raise a bug for this app? |
| 03:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | there have been other apps that did something pretty useful but alas the wrong way. Sometimes devels are interested, sometimes not |
| 03:44.34 | Anita1 | ok now it refuses to open settings window. truly buggy app. |
| 03:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | in this case I would need to install the crappy app to get to know what it does and how it does that, or I had to study the friggin sourcecode to the last line. Can't see any of both happening in the near future |
| 03:45.06 | Anita1 | well, gotta go now. Thanks for all your help :) |
| 03:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 03:45.16 | Anita1 | this app has an developer, right? |
| 03:45.19 | Anita1 | *a |
| 03:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | good luck, and consider an occasional reflash |
| 03:45.41 | Anita1 | simply sending a message should bring him to duty :p |
| 03:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | Kirill Plyashkevich |
| 03:46.01 | Anita1 | yeah, I'll do reflash, but 1 week later |
| 03:46.10 | Anita1 | see you next time, bye :) |
| 03:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | wit a proper backup to re-install all or most of your apps, a reflash is painless |
| 03:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 03:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | (or most) not AIS though :-P |
| 03:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | can do one thing though |
| 03:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | thumbs-down |
| 04:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | btw since when do pkgs need only 6 promotes (thunbs up)? and isn't there or should there be a rule that maintainers can not vote for their own pkgs? it's silly |
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| 04:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | and pretentious |
| 04:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | and this friggin maemo.org/packages interface could need some maintenance - it takes like 120s after clicking "send" on a comment, and if you dare to click again during that time where page is in reload limbo, the commet gets sent multiple times :-S |
| 04:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | seems like that happened to me 3 or 4 times during last 18 months, so you'd think a) I could finally learn NOT to click again, and b) somebody could finally have fixed that issue |
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| 05:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | meego:290 users, #maemo:294 users |
| 05:38.14 | psycho_oreos | loads more loyal nokia tablet users than a mixture of various devices conglomerated users ;) |
| 05:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | #meego-handset was awesome: no post since >>one month |
| 05:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | closed that tab for good now |
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| 08:13.01 | LaoLang_cool | How to you copy a contact's cell phone? go to the contact then edit it, then copy the phone? |
| 08:13.13 | LaoLang_cool | Too much steps involved |
| 08:13.45 | BluesLee | LaoLang_cool: on n9 or n900? |
| 08:13.53 | LaoLang_cool | BluesLee: N900 |
| 08:14.26 | BluesLee | the n900 has the advantage that it can import/export contacts as *vcf |
| 08:14.28 | LaoLang_cool | Sometimes I want to copy the contact's phone number from the interface of sms or phone, but I can't find a way |
| 08:14.45 | BluesLee | ah okay |
| 08:14.57 | LaoLang_cool | BluesLee: oh, you misunderstood me |
| 08:15.21 | BluesLee | in that cases you can click the number and it asks you if you want to add it to your contacts |
| 08:15.30 | BluesLee | resp add/merge |
| 08:17.43 | LaoLang_cool | BluesLee: no the options you mentioned, it has a option to open the contact card, but will let you call/sms to the contact, no add/merge, in sms GUI |
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| 08:20.38 | LaoLang_cool | oh, maybe the contact has been added as my friend |
| 08:21.17 | LaoLang_cool | I want to copy my friend's phone number, then use it in other where. |
| 08:21.47 | LaoLang_cool | The only way I find is to go to the edit gui of contacts then copy the number.... |
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| 09:40.05 | corecode | hi |
| 09:40.53 | corecode | i'm trying to get the harmattan sdk to run on my machine |
| 09:41.05 | corecode | but xephyr stays empty |
| 09:41.10 | corecode | any idea what this could be? |
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| 09:45.14 | freemangordon | ~seen jonwil |
| 09:45.19 | infobot | jonwil is currently on #maemo (15m 38s) #meego (15m 38s) #openmoko-cdevel (15m 38s), last said: 'if you can find that, I can possibly find out more about what icd2 does with those dbus calls'. |
| 09:45.21 | jonwil | is here |
| 09:45.40 | freemangordon | jonwil, look here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/hildon-input-method-plugins-example/trunk/files |
| 09:45.53 | freemangordon | those are (almost) fully working |
| 09:46.04 | freemangordon | including portrait stuff |
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| 09:46.16 | jonwil | I already saw that |
| 09:46.24 | jonwil | they are ok but very limited |
| 09:46.39 | jonwil | dont do any of the special stuff libhildon-im-vkbrenderer does |
| 09:46.54 | freemangordon | and here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=tips |
| 09:47.01 | freemangordon | why limited? |
| 09:47.11 | freemangordon | I mean those are working examples |
| 09:47.45 | jonwil | limited because they dont do the fancy stuff libhildon-im-vkbrenderer does |
| 09:47.57 | freemangordon | instead of RE vkb-renderer, I think we can just re-write th functionality in in. |
| 09:48.00 | freemangordon | which one? |
| 09:48.13 | freemangordon | what is that fancy stuff |
| 09:48.15 | freemangordon | ? |
| 09:48.28 | jonwil | not 100% sure |
| 09:48.44 | freemangordon | dictionary search is not in vkb-renderer |
| 09:49.01 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 09:49.57 | freemangordon | what needs to be done is an implementation of .vkb parser |
| 09:50.02 | jonwil | yeah if/when I clone that renderer I will use bits of code from hildon-input-method-plugins-examle |
| 09:50.09 | jonwil | there is more in the vkb files than you think |
| 09:50.16 | freemangordon | which we already have in python |
| 09:50.36 | jonwil | best way to do vkb is to just use libimlayouts directly |
| 09:50.43 | jonwil | I have a .h file for that |
| 09:50.46 | freemangordon | I know what is in .vkb files, trust me on that |
| 09:50.51 | jonwil | I also know |
| 09:51.32 | jonwil | the main thing hildon-input-method-plugins-example is missing are things to handle the correct key size and position and margin stuff from the vkb files |
| 09:52.20 | freemangordon | so, what it is so special? layouts for two modes plus layout for keyboard which appear when you press blue arrow - sym |
| 09:52.37 | freemangordon | btw .vkb files has support for portrait AFAIK |
| 09:53.15 | jonwil | I need to dig back into hildon-im-vkbrenderer a bit more to see what funky bits it does |
| 09:53.43 | freemangordon | why, if I remember correctly button/font sizes are written in .vkb file itself, no need for calculations |
| 09:53.52 | jonwil | yes they are |
| 09:54.04 | jonwil | but hildon-input-method-plugins-example doesnt do anything with them |
| 09:54.20 | freemangordon | of course they don't :) . |
| 09:54.23 | jonwil | so the logic for parsing that data and computing exact position of where to draw needs to be written |
| 09:54.29 | freemangordon | yes |
| 09:54.40 | freemangordon | but it is not a rocket science |
| 09:54.52 | freemangordon | we have a python code already doing that |
| 09:55.03 | freemangordon | almost that. |
| 09:55.46 | jonwil | also, hildon-input-method-plugins-example plugs in at a much higher level than libhildon-im-vkbrenderer |
| 09:55.55 | freemangordon | sure |
| 09:56.07 | jonwil | trust me, hildon-input-method-plugins-example is good and has some stuff we can pinch |
| 09:56.13 | jonwil | but its not the magic bullet you seem to think it is |
| 09:56.18 | freemangordon | no |
| 09:56.25 | freemangordon | I don't think it is a magic bullet |
| 09:56.29 | jonwil | not if we want to be feature complete with libhildon-im-vkbrenderer |
| 09:56.45 | jonwil | anyhow, I plan to dig into libhildon-im-vkbrenderer soon |
| 09:56.46 | freemangordon | and vkb-renderer stuf has to be implementd |
| 09:56.51 | jonwil | and finish my work on it |
| 09:56.56 | freemangordon | but no need to RE it |
| 09:56.57 | jonwil | or continue |
| 09:57.15 | freemangordon | just re-implement the functionality |
| 09:57.18 | jonwil | I already have most of it reverse engineered anyway |
| 09:57.42 | freemangordon | wow, why didn't you tell me that yesterday when i said I am going to RE it |
| 09:57.58 | freemangordon | :) |
| 09:58.15 | jonwil | well I dont have it reverse enginereed, I just have it mostly layed out in IDA :P |
| 09:58.35 | freemangordon | which binary are you using arm or 386 |
| 09:58.39 | freemangordon | ? |
| 09:58.55 | jonwil | x86 |
| 09:59.15 | freemangordon | and does your IDA have c pseudocode analyser? |
| 09:59.23 | jonwil | x86 is easier to reverse engineer than ARM |
| 09:59.29 | jonwil | and yes I have hexrays :) |
| 09:59.34 | freemangordon | yeah, i know :) |
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| 10:20.41 | Macer | heh |
| 10:20.50 | Macer | get arm hexrays |
| 10:22.31 | freemangordon | why, x86 assembler is easier than arm (or at least better known) |
| 10:22.51 | jonwil | I would get arm hexrays if I could afford the thousands of dollars it costs :P |
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| 10:25.32 | AminCX | hi there, what is the connection between GPS and GSM Module ? both are not working. |
| 10:25.44 | jonwil | GPS is handled by the cell modem on the N900 |
| 10:26.00 | jonwil | there is code on the main CPU that talks to the cell modem GPS logic |
| 10:26.46 | LaoLang_cool | GPS is really really slow here, in the case of without the asistance of networking |
| 10:29.03 | AminCX | i can enable and disable the location on settings but there is no satellite icon on the top, and phone functionality is neither working . and i failed flashing and it was still on the line flashing done ... and no CMT flashed successful message . |
| 10:29.38 | AminCX | so what is it ? the hardware or the software ? (N900) |
| 10:30.36 | jonwil | If flashing is failing, that suggests a hardware problem |
| 10:31.29 | AminCX | maybe the power problem ? and i have to say that month ago i dropped it to the water(a little water on the ground) . |
| 10:32.24 | AminCX | so how can i test that if it's a hardware problem and both modules are dead or off ? |
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| 10:39.45 | Macer | There are no native land mammals on St Helena, but rabbits, rats and mice have been introduced, as well as feral cats and dogs. |
| 10:39.49 | Macer | wow |
| 10:40.02 | Macer | no native mammals... that's crazy :) |
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| 10:41.22 | Macer | As a result, the string tree (Acalypha rubrinervis) and the St Helena olive (Nesiota elliptica) are now extinct, and many of the other endemic plants are threatened with extinction. |
| 10:41.43 | Macer | great.. guess no st helena martini for me ever again. damn humans. |
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| 11:14.12 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thanks to introduce the script of searching contacts on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990571#post990571, if I need to search contact by cellphone number, how to modify the script? if c.get_property("cellphone") == options.nick_name: ? |
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| 12:53.52 | jonwil | has decided to abandon plans to work on Nokia Maps stuff, the Nokia Maps binary blobs are just too complex to figure out |
| 12:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Suspected so. |
| 12:57.40 | jacekowski | are you talking about n900 nokia maps? |
| 12:57.44 | cityLights | is there a way to balance the n900 volume on each ear? |
| 12:57.51 | jonwil | yes |
| 12:57.56 | jonwil | N900 nokia maps blobs |
| 12:58.16 | jacekowski | cityLights: it should be same by default |
| 12:58.37 | LaoLang_cool | hi, what's the name of "get started"? I want to purge it from n900 |
| 12:58.48 | cityLights | suppose i want to test each ear? |
| 12:59.34 | SpeedEvil | welcome-tutorial LaoLang_cool? |
| 13:00.28 | LaoLang_cool | SpeedEvil: dpkg-query --list | grep welcome doesn't show it... |
| 13:01.45 | jonwil | its called osso-startup-wizard |
| 13:02.05 | jonwil | thats the one that sets the time and language and stuff on first start |
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| 13:02.37 | jonwil | oh and I finally got my N900 to join my WiFi network with wireless security turned ON |
| 13:02.40 | jonwil | YAY |
| 13:02.45 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: oh, I need the startup-wizard |
| 13:03.12 | jonwil | what is it you want to remove then? |
| 13:05.41 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: click the `get started' will launch a video of the introduce to N900 |
| 13:05.43 | Pali | jonwil: I added slovak sk_SK language to /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard/sysinfo-lang.data but not working |
| 13:05.58 | Pali | startup wizard does not see it |
| 13:06.10 | jonwil | oh that one is tutorial-home-applet |
| 13:06.21 | jonwil | hmmm, I dont know then pali |
| 13:06.36 | Pali | I used strings to see that is in that nokia binary |
| 13:06.54 | Pali | but I do not see hardcoded languages... |
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| 13:07.05 | Pali | it must be loaded from other config/binary file |
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| 13:08.14 | jonwil | searching my n900 file dump now looking for references to de_DE (one of the stock languages) |
| 13:08.43 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: that's it, thanks. Can osso-tutorial* be removed safely? |
| 13:08.58 | jonwil | its not osso-tutorial |
| 13:09.01 | Pali | yes, here are 4 langs: de_DE, es_ES, fr_FR, pt_PT |
| 13:09.02 | jonwil | its tutorial-home-applet |
| 13:09.32 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: yes, I've removed it, I also find there are pkgs named osso-tutorial* |
| 13:09.32 | Pali | but osso-startup-wizzard always show me cs_CZ |
| 13:09.39 | jonwil | those are language packages for it |
| 13:09.44 | LaoLang_cool | ah, it's lanuages for osso-startup-wizzard? |
| 13:09.50 | jonwil | no for osso-tutorial |
| 13:10.11 | LaoLang_cool | osso-tutorial? I don't find it on my n900... where is it? |
| 13:10.28 | jonwil | wait no |
| 13:10.47 | jonwil | osso-tutorial-l10n-* are language packs for tutorial-home-applet |
| 13:11.53 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: oh, but apt-get purge tutorial-home-applet* doesn't say they're the depends of it. |
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| 13:12.55 | jonwil | they are |
| 13:13.42 | jonwil | as for references to de_DE, so far I haven't found any that could be related to osso-startup-wizzard |
| 13:14.09 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: thank you, purging them :) |
| 13:14.51 | jonwil | actually lets search for fr_FR, less chance of false positives that way :) |
| 13:15.38 | Pali | I'm searching for string cs_CZ in whole system... maybe I find someting |
| 13:15.40 | LaoLang_cool | Is there a easy way to purge all language packs except for English? |
| 13:15.50 | jonwil | nope, dont know of one |
| 13:16.04 | LaoLang_cool | jonwil: oh |
| 13:17.07 | jonwil | ok, 220 hits for fr_FR |
| 13:17.49 | jonwil | make that 221 :) |
| 13:18.24 | jonwil | ok, I think we can ignore those that reference hildon-input-method as those arent what we are looking for |
| 13:18.37 | jonwil | so thats some gconf stuff for h-i-m |
| 13:18.59 | jonwil | references in the repo package lists, no we can ignore that |
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| 13:26.07 | Pali | jonwil: nothing relevant to cs_CZ in maemo rootfs image |
| 13:26.11 | jonwil | pali, what do you get if you open xterm or ssh and type sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/default-language and sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/keyboard-layout and sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/content-region |
| 13:27.03 | Pali | first: English (British) |
| 13:27.11 | Pali | second: English, Dutch |
| 13:27.19 | Pali | third: Britain |
| 13:29.03 | jonwil | now grepping my source dump[ for cs_CZ |
| 13:29.08 | jonwil | 4 results so far |
| 13:29.39 | jonwil | ok, those are hildon-input-method related so we can ignore those |
| 13:30.17 | jonwil | still searching |
| 13:31.27 | jonwil | some stuff related to packaging, we can ignore that |
| 13:32.18 | Pali | I started debuuging that f** osso-startup-wizard application |
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| 13:32.31 | jonwil | usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver/im.data looks suspicious |
| 13:33.09 | jonwil | ok, no that next hit is QT, we can ignore that |
| 13:34.08 | jonwil | as does other stuff in usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver |
| 13:34.17 | jonwil | lra_language.data and lra_regional.data |
| 13:36.25 | jonwil | so the stuff in usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver and the stuff in usr/share/osso_startup_wizard seem to be where the interesting stuff is |
| 13:36.43 | jonwil | and no I dont know how to edit the stuff in i18n_locale_resolver |
| 13:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | moos a bit |
| 13:36.54 | jonwil | because the libs in question are closed source :( |
| 13:42.08 | Pali | jonwil: file /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/lra_language.data looks like that is config for that osso wizard |
| 13:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: could you pin http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80392 please |
| 13:42.14 | Pali | and that file is binary :-( |
| 13:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | er make sticky? |
| 13:42.40 | jonwil | checking now for all things that read /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver |
| 13:45.52 | jonwil | ok, the data is read by libi18n-locale-resolver.so.0 |
| 13:46.33 | Pali | when I moved file /usr/share/i18n-locale-resolver/lra_language.data startup wizard showed me empy language list |
| 13:47.34 | Pali | jonwil: somebody told me that binary format of locale-resolver can be extended (by open garage project) |
| 13:48.01 | Pali | http://maemo.org/packages/view/locale-resolver-extra/ |
| 13:50.00 | jonwil | thats for diablo |
| 13:50.02 | jonwil | not fremantle |
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| 13:50.58 | jonwil | interestingly libi18n has a dev package |
| 13:51.01 | jonwil | lets see what that has to say |
| 13:51.55 | jonwil | nope, that dev package doesnt help |
| 13:52.16 | Pali | source code of that extra package is here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/l/locale-resolver-extra/ |
| 13:52.24 | Pali | and maybe format is not changed |
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| 13:56.54 | jonwil | doesnt appear to have changed |
| 13:57.03 | jonwil | so try playing with that package and seeing if that helps |
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| 14:13.17 | jonwil | the only users of that locale data are the startup wizard, hildon-input-method-configurator and the language/regional control panel |
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| 14:17.01 | Pali | jonwil: OK, If it work, I will create fremantle package for changing that files |
| 14:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | hey jonwil, old hax0r. How about having a look into the way Nokia is managing lockcode since PR1.3? |
| 14:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | just for fun |
| 14:19.06 | jonwil | not interested in that |
| 14:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | *shrug* |
| 14:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | thought it could be fun to learn how it works now |
| 14:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | and not very hard to do |
| 14:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | what we know (IIRC) is that since PR1.3 you have to reflash both rootfs and eMMC to reset lockcode |
| 14:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'm curious how they implemented that, seems they would need some kind of cookie or whatever on eMMC, that gets toggled on flashing eMMC |
| 14:25.54 | jonwil | do you know which binary or binaries I would need to look at for that? |
| 14:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no f'ing clue what process checks lockcode on boot |
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| 14:26.56 | jonwil | ok |
| 14:27.02 | jonwil | not going to look into it then |
| 14:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 14:27.14 | jonwil | if I can find out the right binary to look at, I might take a look |
| 14:27.35 | jonwil | Although really I should be trying to finish as much of my work as possible before I go on holidays on the 13th of december |
| 14:27.40 | Macer | damnit i need my new glasses to get delivered to pearle already |
| 14:27.49 | Macer | i hate waiting on them. and all i have are 1 pair of contacts |
| 14:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | well, then we are somewhat on same page, I already phrased the strace infocation in my mind |
| 14:28.20 | jonwil | The good thing about going on holidays is that I can get even more cell tower names and IDs for my logging :) |
| 14:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | blinds Macer with a laser |
| 14:28.36 | jonwil | since I will be talking to celltowers I have never talked to with my N900 before |
| 14:28.37 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i probably wouldn't see it ;) |
| 14:28.43 | Macer | i took the contacts out |
| 14:28.54 | jonwil | in fact towers I have never talked to at all :) |
| 14:28.56 | Macer | and am lying in bed wishing i had some damn glasses to put on |
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| 14:29.06 | jonwil | since I changed carriers since I last went to this place :) |
| 14:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: your trxt-to-speech setup in N900 irc client is awesome ;-D |
| 14:31.00 | Macer | hahahha |
| 14:31.10 | Macer | do they have it for terminal too so i can use irssi? |
| 14:31.15 | Macer | i'm sure that is synth chaos |
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| 14:50.13 | kerio | Macer: wait, you have text-to-speech for IRC? |
| 14:50.17 | kerio | Macer: PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS |
| 15:00.26 | jonwil | ok, so locale-resolver-extra means the hard-coded stuff related to language and locale can be edited now |
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| 15:33.39 | Sicelo | cityLights: alsamixer -c0 for adjusting your earphone balance. careful though. |
| 15:42.47 | cityLights | thanks Sicelo |
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| 15:53.16 | Sicelo | yw |
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| 16:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | won't persist, so probably gets annoying pretty fast |
| 16:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | PA is so..... *BEEEP* |
| 16:07.23 | Sicelo | :P |
| 16:07.41 | Sicelo | btw, what is hildon-initscripts? |
| 16:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | improvement by hiding complexity... works nice as long as you don't need the complexity that's there for some reason |
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| 16:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | as soon as your "complex requirements" are getting as complex as setting balance L/R, you start to CURSE friggin PA |
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| 16:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | reminds me at uper high-end audiophile amps, where the designers had a hard time to give it a volume dial ;-P - according to paradigm "nothing is going to adulterate the pure sound" |
| 16:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | esp funny when you find all the potentiometers for the balance/treble/bass/whatnot dials behind the front cover with cut off axes so they won't come to the outside |
| 16:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | which is what PA is doing, basically |
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| 16:51.17 | vi__ | hello |
| 16:51.30 | vi__ | swap on SD. Is it worth it? |
| 16:54.45 | robbiethe1st | Maby. I'd try to get it setup to where it will use /both/ swap on SD and eMMC at once, for double the throughput |
| 16:55.07 | robbiethe1st | i.e. alternate blocks, raid-style |
| 16:56.50 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: I am aware that you can set the priority the same however I do not know if it truly behaves like a raid. |
| 16:57.27 | vi__ | I lament the fact n900 cannot use a swapfile |
| 16:58.14 | robbiethe1st | I think it can; remember, you can always mount a file as a loopback, so there shouldn't be a problem there |
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| 16:59.23 | robbiethe1st | May require PK, though |
| 17:00.09 | vi__ | I run nothing less! |
| 17:00.21 | vi__ | Just got compcache on the go... |
| 17:00.57 | robbiethe1st | Is it in a repo yet? |
| 17:01.08 | vi__ | how to kill a process that just won't die? |
| 17:01.29 | vi__ | The module comes with kp49 |
| 17:01.38 | robbiethe1st | Oh, nice! |
| 17:01.44 | vi__ | You grap rzconfigure from the repo. |
| 17:01.51 | robbiethe1st | Nice |
| 17:02.00 | vi__ | I spunked a wad in my pants |
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| 17:06.09 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: how to mount swapfile as loopback? |
| 17:06.24 | vi__ | mount -o loop /path/to/swapfile /mnt |
| 17:06.25 | vi__ | ? |
| 17:08.53 | vi__ | FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority /dev/mmcblk0p3 partition78642411700-1 /dev/loop4 partition99920-2 |
| 17:08.58 | vi__ | w00t |
| 17:09.18 | vi__ | (I will never risk partitioning an SD card again! |
| 17:09.55 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: this next shot of whisky is for you. |
| 17:10.01 | vi__ | gulp! |
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| 17:31.54 | robbiethe1st | vi__, erm, can't find package rzconfig |
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| 17:44.14 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: apologies, it is calld 'compcache-tools' |
| 17:44.25 | vi__ | also be sure to allocate a disksize that is ^2 |
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| 17:44.58 | vi__ | insmod /lib/modules/current/ramzswap.ko disksize_kb=65536 |
| 17:45.02 | vi__ | for example |
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| 20:26.32 | tramp | Does anyone know how to set up the n900 as a USB router? |
| 20:27.03 | SpeedEvil | Do you mean a USB modem? |
| 20:27.35 | tramp | sort of, it just relays its own broadband signal |
| 20:27.47 | tramp | here: |
| 20:28.11 | tramp | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router |
| 20:28.15 | SpeedEvil | you plug it into a computer, select 'pc-suite mode, and configure it like you would any other 3g modem |
| 20:28.31 | SpeedEvil | Is the easy way |
| 20:29.02 | tramp | well, i dont have network-manager installed |
| 20:29.50 | tramp | i figured it wold show up as a device on the pc |
| 20:30.02 | Sicelo | wvdial, pppconfig, or plain pppd will do as well |
| 20:30.08 | tramp | i mean ifconfig rather |
| 20:30.13 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 20:30.19 | SpeedEvil | It's a serial modem, basically. |
| 20:30.29 | SpeedEvil | uses plain pppd with a /etc/ppp config file. |
| 20:30.31 | tramp | darn |
| 20:30.32 | SpeedEvil | Written by hand. |
| 20:30.37 | SpeedEvil | is oldskool. |
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| 20:31.40 | tramp | ok, and we are talking about the same thing, right, using the phone as a wifi adapter |
| 20:31.49 | tramp | essengtially |
| 20:32.00 | SpeedEvil | No - as a 3G modem |
| 20:32.03 | Sicelo | no. this won't use wifi |
| 20:32.07 | SpeedEvil | Sorry for the confusion. |
| 20:32.36 | tramp | i dont have a service plan |
| 20:32.40 | tramp | np |
| 20:33.07 | tramp | i have to relay the traffic from the wifi |
| 20:33.19 | Sicelo | so what happens when u follow the steps in that wiki? |
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| 20:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | so that wiki page either should get a better title "N900_as_USB_WLAN_AP/client-adapter" |
| 20:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | or I got sth completely wrong |
| 20:34.31 | tramp | its for a linux live flash drive, so i can boot linux without worrying whether some network card is compatible, i can use the n900 as an adapter |
| 20:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 20:35.25 | Sicelo | so u haven't tried the steps yet? |
| 20:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | nifty |
| 20:35.51 | tramp | the wiki seems to use iptables and dnsmasq to make the phone act as a router or adapter |
| 20:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | but it won't pan out, as for booting from a image on N900 AIUI you need mass storage mode, while for your network adapter idea you need PC Suite mode |
| 20:36.23 | tramp | ive done all the steps but its not working in and of itself |
| 20:36.55 | tramp | DocScrutinizer: the flash drive is a separate device |
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| 20:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 20:37.28 | Sicelo | we still don't know what happens when u try that :) |
| 20:37.38 | tramp | i think im missing something on the pc side but i wouldnt know |
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| 20:38.12 | Sicelo | ifconfig -a should at least show a usb0 iface |
| 20:38.26 | tramp | i figure the kernel-power version wouldnt break it |
| 20:38.45 | Sicelo | not the usb0 thing, at least |
| 20:38.51 | tramp | on the pc ifconfig -a shows usb0 and usbpn0 |
| 20:39.15 | Sicelo | aha.. and does usb0 get assigned some iP? |
| 20:39.43 | tramp | /dev/ttyACM0 is also created, but thats with or without the steps |
| 20:39.53 | tramp | checking... |
| 20:39.58 | tramp | i think no |
| 20:40.38 | tramp | just a HWaddr |
| 20:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so you may want to up it |
| 20:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | and assign an IP |
| 20:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly what ttyACM0 actually exposes. Direct modem via pnatd? a shell? |
| 20:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even a console?? :-o |
| 20:43.56 | Sicelo | i think it's equal to /dev/ttyUSB0 on other kernels/distros |
| 20:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 20:44.15 | tramp | BROADCAST MULTICAST |
| 20:44.16 | tramp | Ethernet |
| 20:44.16 | tramp | if that makes sense |
| 20:44.16 | tramp | testing hello? |
| 20:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 20:44.27 | Sicelo | 0.0 |
| 20:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: doesn't answer my wondering |
| 20:45.13 | tramp | when i plugged it in i forgot it effectivelydisconnects me |
| 20:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | no matter whether it's called ttyACM0 or ttyUSB0, what does it expose? |
| 20:45.59 | Sicelo | well, u know these things better :) |
| 20:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | thought you maybe already connected to it, so you knew |
| 20:46.23 | Sicelo | to me, it's just a modem, same as any other usb dongle :P |
| 20:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: so probably pnatd-alike direct modem access |
| 20:47.06 | Sicelo | is now starting to get what DocScrutinizer is saying ) |
| 20:47.11 | Sicelo | at1 ;) |
| 20:47.55 | tramp | ive tried ifup usb0, but it says "Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0" |
| 20:48.15 | Sicelo | this ifup is where? pc or N900? |
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| 20:48.34 | tramp | pc |
| 20:49.00 | Sicelo | of course. no usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:49.41 | Z3ROC00L | hey people just wondering if its possable to chane user name on maemotalk.com |
| 20:49.42 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer said do something like ifconfig address |
| 20:50.24 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: dnsmasq on n900 can give out ip addresses? |
| 20:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | rdns? nfc |
| 20:50.44 | tramp | where does the usb0 go tho, hang on |
| 20:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: or what do you mean? |
| 20:51.09 | Sicelo | is now rtfm |
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| 20:51.38 | Sicelo | that wiki page says pc should get ip address automatically |
| 20:51.47 | tramp | ok |
| 20:51.54 | tramp | yeah |
| 20:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | Z3ROC00L: no |
| 20:52.29 | tramp | ifconfig usb0 <ipaddr> |
| 20:53.04 | tramp | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 20:53.30 | tramp | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 20:53.48 | tramp | lol |
| 20:53.55 | Sicelo | u have usb0 when doing ifconfig -a? weird |
| 20:53.59 | tramp | wait let me plug the phone back in |
| 20:54.03 | Sicelo | heh |
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| 20:54.34 | Sicelo | yeah, dnsmasq is a dhcp server.. nice :) |
| 20:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, yes |
| 20:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 20:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | your question >>dnsmasq on n900 can give out ip addresses?<< was a tiny bit ambiguous |
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| 20:56.14 | Sicelo | hides |
| 20:56.34 | Sicelo | :) |
| 20:56.51 | tramp | no errors with ifconfig actually, it then appears in the ifconfig list, but i cant ping anything |
| 20:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | route |
| 20:57.33 | tramp | s/it then/usb0 then/ |
| 20:58.13 | tramp | route...ok i feel so smart |
| 20:59.00 | tramp | im glad to finally be learning route |
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| 20:59.53 | tramp | dont tell me yet |
| 21:00.27 | BluesLee | hi, why i cant join #maemo-cssu? |
| 21:00.41 | Sicelo | has learned 90% of what he knows about linux right on this channel |
| 21:00.54 | Sicelo | BluesLee: #maemo-ssu |
| 21:01.05 | BluesLee | thanks |
| 21:04.56 | BluesLee | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.59 | BluesLee | any hints? |
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| 21:13.27 | tramp | dnsmasq shouldnt change the gateway |
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| 21:19.03 | tramp | it automatically adds the route - Dest:192.168.1.0 Gateway:* Flags:U IFace:usb0 |
| 21:24.15 | tramp | help? |
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| 21:27.32 | tramp | the routing table looks fine. its just missing a default gateway, but it shouldnt need it to ping other nodes |
| 21:28.08 | tramp | ifconfig -a |
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| 21:36.19 | Sicelo | what's ip address for usb0? |
| 21:36.34 | tramp | whatever i put in ifconfig |
| 21:36.54 | tramp | 192.168.1.64 |
| 21:36.57 | tramp | usually |
| 21:37.53 | tramp | usb0 exists anytime the phone this plugged in, regardless of whether pcsuite mode is enabled |
| 21:38.02 | Sicelo | looks like something isn't right with your dnsmasq command. do u type it exactly as shown? |
| 21:38.44 | Sicelo | (usb0 will appear all the time, until reboot of N900, when u will need to chosee pc suite mode again) |
| 21:38.50 | tramp | I didnt use the same ip addresses |
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| 21:40.36 | tramp | instead of 192.168.3.15, I used 192.168.1.15 |
| 21:41.20 | tramp | and 192.168.1.64,192.168.1.127 |
| 21:42.18 | tramp | im starting to guess it might have to be in a different c-net |
| 21:42.30 | tramp | ill try it as written |
| 21:42.39 | Sicelo | wait. |
| 21:42.53 | Sicelo | so usb0 on pc is 192.. 64? |
| 21:43.32 | Sicelo | just paste all of ifconfig usb0 from pc |
| 21:44.09 | tramp | if i type ifconfig usb0 192.. 64 then thats what it becomes |
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| 21:47.06 | tramp | no luck with .3 c-net |
| 21:48.02 | Sicelo | why not paste your ifconfig somewhere? |
| 21:48.21 | tramp | on the pc? |
| 21:48.31 | tramp | s/on/for/ |
| 21:49.28 | Sicelo | yes |
| 21:51.16 | tramp | just a min... requires copying |
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| 21:56.26 | tramp | http://pastebin.com/wpUKDu1k |
| 21:57.01 | tramp | this is before entering ifconfig usb0 192...64 |
| 21:59.54 | Sicelo | what's your dnsmasq command? |
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| 22:00.42 | user___ | who here uses n900 compcache |
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| 22:01.15 | user___ | ? |
| 22:02.21 | vi_ | Do you know if statistics are enabled? |
| 22:02.28 | tramp | my dnsmasq command is: dnsmasq -I lo -z -a 192.168.3.15 -F 192.168.3.64,192.168.3.127 |
| 22:03.07 | vi_ | for example rzscontrol /dev/ranzswap0 --stats just returns zeros. |
| 22:03.53 | tramp | vi_: are you talking to me? |
| 22:04.05 | Sicelo | tramp: is dhcp enabled in your pc.. because usb0 (on pc) should automatically get ip address from N900 |
| 22:05.01 | tramp | uh..hehe |
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| 22:05.10 | tramp | possibly not so |
| 22:05.17 | vi_ | tramp: anyone who has a little experiance of compcache on the b900. |
| 22:05.22 | tramp | it is a bt5 installation |
| 22:05.33 | vi_ | s/b900/n900/ |
| 22:05.49 | tramp | vi_: oh |
| 22:06.24 | Sicelo | has no idea what bt5 is |
| 22:06.27 | tramp | backtrack might start with dhcp disabled |
| 22:06.38 | tramp | sorry, backtrack 5 |
| 22:06.58 | vi_ | tramp: it certainly does |
| 22:07.40 | vi_ | would be kinda rubbish for...uh...pentesting if it was all up in yo server demanding IPs 'n shit. |
| 22:07.42 | tramp | *shouldn't use generic abbreviations out of context* |
| 22:07.43 | vi_ | yo. |
| 22:08.14 | tramp | vi_: yeah |
| 22:08.30 | tramp | :) |
| 22:11.58 | tramp | i decided instead of choosing between a gparted boot disk, or other specializations, just install bt5 and get all the tools, nice default theme, nonintrusive, and learn something |
| 22:13.15 | tramp | i hate having to trust entering my passwds on others' computers |
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| 22:16.11 | Sicelo | tramp: dhclient -4 usb0, while N900 connected. then see if your pc side usb0 gets an ip address |
| 22:17.34 | nox- | oh n900 even provides dhcp? |
| 22:17.40 | Sicelo | has just finished updating cssu..maybe i should do this thing tramp wants manually |
| 22:18.06 | Sicelo | yeah nox-.. i was surprised myself, but man dnsmasq shows it does |
| 22:18.14 | nox- | nice :) |
| 22:18.48 | tramp | dhclient usb0 isnt working either |
| 22:19.14 | tramp | it tries to discover six time and then fails with "no dhcpoffers received" |
| 22:20.19 | tramp | trying your last cmd... |
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| 22:21.00 | vi_ | tramp: have fun trying to connect to a WPA network! |
| 22:21.34 | vi_ | Sicelo: do you use compcache on the n900 |
| 22:21.38 | vi_ | ? |
| 22:22.24 | tramp | with the -4 it just outputs the usage info |
| 22:22.53 | Sicelo | no vi_ |
| 22:23.03 | tramp | vi_: this particular network is unsecured, but thanks for future reference x_x |
| 22:24.07 | tramp | vi_: i think the connection type is masked by the phone and irrevelant |
| 22:26.31 | Sicelo | grep address /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:27.04 | tramp | isc-dhclient-V3.1.3 |
| 22:27.11 | Sicelo | tramp: ^ |
| 22:28.20 | tramp | address 192.168.1.15 |
| 22:29.21 | tramp | maybe i need to set the dnsmasq addresses to the same as the real subnet |
| 22:29.42 | tramp | i wouldnt think so though |
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| 22:31.21 | tramp | -4 isnt support by my dhclient, but it should assume IPv4 anyway |
| 22:33.02 | tramp | if you try this on yours Sicelo, thanks. I think phone as a net adapter is a nice feature to have |
| 22:34.07 | Sicelo | so your dnsmasq command shouldnt say 192.168.3.x |
| 22:34.23 | Sicelo | i'm half-way into testing that :) |
| 22:35.18 | Sicelo | weird.. |
| 22:35.39 | tramp | im not sure, maybe he wrote 192.168.3.x to ensure a separate subnet |
| 22:36.07 | Sicelo | no, that's what his /etc/network/interfaces says |
| 22:36.09 | tramp | what? |
| 22:36.26 | Sicelo | well, this works, i can confirm :) |
| 22:36.59 | tramp | oh yes, let me fix mine then, again |
| 22:37.08 | Sicelo | pc got ip address from N900, /etc/resolv.conf set accordingly, and can browse from pc |
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| 22:37.21 | Sicelo | weird thing is, pinging N900 from pc doesn't work |
| 22:37.47 | Sicelo | so.. before u conclude your setup isn't working, trying pinging google from pc |
| 22:38.02 | tramp | ack |
| 22:38.06 | tramp | nowledged |
| 22:38.48 | Sicelo | it's weird though.. |
| 22:39.19 | Sicelo | wait.. maybe not.. maybe the iptables command doesnt allow ping .. dunno |
| 22:40.22 | tramp | hmm i set the dnsmasq subnet back to the same as the main one |
| 22:40.25 | Sicelo | yes.. i can ssh into N900 fine, even though i can't ping :) |
| 22:40.46 | Sicelo | N900 rocks :D |
| 22:40.55 | tramp | i run dhclient, same problem, it tries 6 times and fails |
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| 22:41.59 | Sicelo | dnsmasq -I lo -z -a 192.168.2.15 -F 192.168.2.64,192.168.2.127 |
| 22:42.00 | tramp | ssh into n900 is alright |
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| 22:42.09 | Sicelo | 0.0 |
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| 22:42.10 | tramp | but its not a real gateway |
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| 22:42.23 | Sicelo | how do u reach N900 from pc? |
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| 22:43.21 | tramp | your subnet is 192.168.2.* then |
| 22:43.21 | Sicelo | ssh user@what? |
| 22:43.45 | tramp | ssh user@192... |
| 22:43.51 | tramp | oh |
| 22:44.11 | tramp | so why cant you ping? |
| 22:44.28 | Sicelo | tramp: run it with 192.168.2.. that's what your own N900 wants.. that's why i asked u earlier to grep address /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:44.49 | Sicelo | i think iptables blocks the ping.. wild guess |
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| 22:45.29 | tramp | Sicelo: good point |
| 22:45.51 | Sicelo | your N900 is not set to have a 192.168.3.15 address.. so it won't work. if u want 192.168.3.15, then change it in /etc/network/interfaces first |
| 22:45.53 | tramp | fortunately bt comes with nmap |
| 22:46.23 | tramp | i set dnsmasq back |
| 22:46.24 | Sicelo | overkill :P |
| 22:46.34 | tramp | thanks for the pointer |
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| 22:46.44 | tramp | Sicelo: heh |
| 22:47.12 | Sicelo | i mean the nmap |
| 22:48.17 | tramp | have you tried dhclient? i cant test pinging if dhcp wont even assign me an ip |
| 22:48.30 | tramp | yeah i know :) |
| 22:49.38 | Sicelo | assign it manually. ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.64 (that's if your dnsmasq line has 192.168.2.15, etc) |
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| 22:51.37 | Sicelo | any luck? |
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| 22:53.56 | tramp | no |
| 22:54.34 | tramp | im looking for something to ping |
| 22:54.58 | Sicelo | ping google |
| 22:55.07 | tramp | im thinking port 53 on the main router, but im making sure its open first |
| 22:55.18 | tramp | i cant even resolve google |
| 22:55.42 | tramp | the routing table doesnt even have a default gw |
| 22:56.28 | Sicelo | add it |
| 22:57.06 | tramp | i found an open port on the router, i could use that |
| 22:58.03 | Sicelo | is now wondering if we are both working on the same thing |
| 22:58.14 | Sicelo | u are using wifi? |
| 22:58.19 | tramp | yes |
| 22:58.40 | tramp | its a wifi router. my phone is connected to it |
| 22:58.53 | tramp | but it can still be pinged and scanned |
| 22:59.04 | Sicelo | ifconfig wlan0 on N900 says whay? |
| 22:59.08 | Sicelo | *t |
| 22:59.09 | tramp | it has its own ip addr |
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| 22:59.52 | tramp | it says my ip is 192...4 |
| 23:00.17 | Sicelo | whole address please :) |
| 23:00.40 | tramp | the real addr? |
| 23:00.48 | tramp | it says my ip is 192.168.2.4 |
| 23:01.07 | tramp | o.o |
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| 23:01.42 | tramp | thats my subnet |
| 23:02.13 | Sicelo | i guess you must change your /etc/network/interfaces to 192.168.3.15 then.. and use the dnsmasq command as given on the wiki |
| 23:02.43 | Sicelo | you will have to ifup usb0 again after the change |
| 23:03.48 | tramp | change the interfaces to .3? why, changing dnsmasq command doesnt work? |
| 23:05.23 | tramp | ill try it, wait |
| 23:05.34 | tramp | :/ |
| 23:06.40 | Sicelo | when u do 'ifup usb0' the usb0 interface on N900 is given the ip address specified in /etc/network/interfaces :) |
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| 23:07.11 | Sicelo | there's 2 usb0 interfaces.. one on N900, and one on pc (let's say virtual) |
| 23:07.26 | tramp | hmm |
| 23:08.21 | tramp | ifup on the pc gives the n900 the addr in interfaces? |
| 23:09.37 | Sicelo | no. usb0 doesn't exist in pc /etc/nettwork/interfaces .. so pc can't know what ip to give it. that's what dnsmasq takes care of (if your pc is able to get ip address via dhcp) |
| 23:11.07 | tramp | ifup on the n900 then? |
| 23:12.03 | Sicelo | it gives it whatever ip address in /etc/network/interfaces .. by default, 192.168.2.15, which you can change, if u need to |
| 23:12.47 | tramp | ok and pinging that addr from pc pings the n900 |
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| 23:14.09 | tramp | got it thx |
| 23:14.13 | Sicelo | yes (but not in this case.. as we have discussed before.. but with 'normal' usb networking, without that iptables rules, yest) |
| 23:14.22 | Sicelo | got what? |
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| 23:21.05 | UberNeo | For me any of the QML based applications are not getting started ... I have tried CuteTube QML, QMLREddit .. the process runs at the background .. but no frontend . nothing comes up on the screen .. any help plzz |
| 23:21.12 | tramp | nothing |
| 23:21.38 | Sicelo | thought u meant it was working now |
| 23:21.47 | tramp | just cooking ill be done in a min |
| 23:23.00 | UberNeo | just getting this log from the syslog .. http://pastebin.com/5r3DaXrd |
| 23:23.17 | UberNeo | whenever i start QMLReddit |
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| 23:35.29 | tramp | brb trying a reboot |
| 23:36.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/18364433 |
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| 23:43.42 | Macer | this old server of mine that i am turning into a desktop has me about to smash my head into it :) |
| 23:44.08 | FIQ | what is the bottleneck when it comes to power saving @ n900? |
| 23:44.28 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: The user. |
| 23:44.40 | FIQ | of course |
| 23:44.45 | SpeedEvil | FIQ: You can have over a week ssh'able into the device, logged into wifi and 3G. |
| 23:44.57 | SpeedEvil | In good conditions. |
| 23:45.18 | FIQ | usually my device lasts for a few hours |
| 23:45.31 | FIQ | I've heard the screen wants much power |
| 23:45.59 | FIQ | Usually I have max level on it because it's when I see best |
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| 23:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: yes, high brightness uses a lot of power indeed |
| 23:46.21 | SpeedEvil | 3G is a big drain. |
| 23:46.27 | SpeedEvil | Do you use skype? |
| 23:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | 3G is the biggest hog |
| 23:46.36 | SpeedEvil | Even dropping from max - 1 down saves a lot |
| 23:47.11 | FIQ | SpeedEvil: nope, no skype |
| 23:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | brightness is exponential (or logarithmic?). basically to notice a reduction in brightness you reduce power to 50% |
| 23:47.46 | FIQ | How is level 4 compared to 5 when it comes to saving power? |
| 23:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | two clicks down is 25% then |
| 23:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | 3 clicks 12.5% of max |
| 23:48.41 | SpeedEvil | See http://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/viewforum/3/ |
| 23:48.43 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:48.47 | FIQ | hmm |
| 23:48.53 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 23:49.17 | FIQ | so you save pretty much powers of 2 having it in a lower setting? |
| 23:49.26 | FIQ | ah, ty |
| 23:49.42 | SpeedEvil | But the power used is - in general - not significant if it's below max |
| 23:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: notice though that brightness also is controlled by ambient light |
| 23:52.05 | FIQ | hmm |
| 23:52.28 | FIQ | so that's why the device loves to switch levels all the time when having a setting lower than max? |
| 23:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | ponders a small demo scriptie, displaying/doing: "expected standby right now: 5h", script reduces brightness by 1 click, "standby now: 9h", switches to 2G, "16h now", kills skype, "24h, not bad eh?"... etc |
| 23:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: yep, on max the brightness is actually max |
| 23:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | on lower-than-max ALS-control kicks in |
| 23:53.34 | FIQ | ok |
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| 23:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: when no skype, then maybe other IM/presence things |
| 23:58.53 | FIQ | i usually just ssh to my computer, some web pages open, occasionally pidgin (but just a few times a week so that doesn't count) |
| 23:59.25 | FIQ | And I also have sshd on, max brightness |
| 23:59.36 | FIQ | That's pretty much the interesting thingd |
| 23:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | web pages count a lot though, as nowadays virtually no webpage comes without any flash/anim-gif/js crap |
| 23:59.53 | SpeedEvil | pidgin can be a hog. |
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