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| 00:07.35 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, the picture has dualcore cortex A( |
| 00:07.37 | ShadowJK | A8 |
| 00:07.43 | ShadowJK | which doesn't exist as dual core |
| 00:08.18 | SpeedEvil | Details, Shcmetails. |
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| 00:08.39 | ShadowJK | doesn't mention pricepoint.. |
| 00:09.06 | ShadowJK | Aren't these hw specs kinda similar to highend samsung or lg now? |
| 00:09.42 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat, yes. |
| 00:09.47 | SpeedEvil | And price will be interesting. |
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| 00:12.17 | ShadowJK | Well... would they be able to go much lower than, say, HTC and Huawei? |
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| 00:12.57 | SpeedEvil | orders too much from DX. |
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| 00:16.09 | SpeedEvil | Idly wondering from the perspecive of smaller makers perhaps being more willing to open up for small 'bulk' orders. |
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| 00:31.25 | ShadowJK | Well Cordia tried that |
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| 01:22.36 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: LOL, 4 GB disk |
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| 01:34.20 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys with American based N900 and you flashed using global firmware? I need to find out if your osso-product-info shows <unknown> for fields: OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME, OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME, OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION, and OSSO_VERSION |
| 01:35.19 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: there is no American N900 |
| 01:35.43 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I meant if you bought your N900 in US |
| 01:35.55 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I forget where mine was mailed from. |
| 01:36.03 | luke-jr | I'm not aware of N900 ever being sold IN the US… |
| 01:36.24 | luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME='Maemo 5' |
| 01:36.26 | luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME='Maemo 5' |
| 01:36.27 | luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1.002' |
| 01:36.29 | luke-jr | there is no OSSO_VERSION |
| 01:36.35 | luke-jr | oh wait |
| 01:36.36 | luke-jr | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.002_PR_002' |
| 01:36.37 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, apparently the owner I bought the third N900 from bought it from Amazon |
| 01:36.55 | luke-jr | Amazon is online :p |
| 01:37.12 | luke-jr | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Britain' |
| 01:37.13 | psycho_oreos | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='English America' as opposed to my two other N900 OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Britain' |
| 01:37.14 | luke-jr | fwiw |
| 01:37.35 | psycho_oreos | hmm funny that |
| 01:45.32 | luke-jr | is the "bootmenu" package safe? |
| 01:50.08 | psycho_oreos | depends on what packages you use depends on it to me its safe |
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| 01:52.17 | psycho_oreos | dbus can really be bitchy sometimes >:? |
| 01:52.26 | psycho_oreos | s/?/|/ |
| 01:53.09 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I'm just worried I won't be able to boot |
| 01:53.51 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I suppose it depends on your setup. On my single boot (just pure maemo environment) I have no issues |
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| 01:54.10 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: why would you install bootmenu on a single boot? |
| 01:55.09 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I'm talking about fanoush's bootmenu which backupmenu for instance depends on it |
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| 01:55.30 | psycho_oreos | unless you're talking about multiboot or uboot which would be different imo |
| 01:55.37 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Like I care - if it can take 32G SD |
| 01:55.39 | luke-jr | I'm talking about the Maemo pkg |
| 01:55.50 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: 32 GB + 32 GB = 64 GB |
| 01:56.59 | psycho_oreos | I don't know which Maemo package you're referring to. |
| 01:58.30 | luke-jr | # aptitude search bootmenu |
| 01:58.32 | luke-jr | p bootmenu - Fanoush's Boot Menu |
| 02:00.52 | psycho_oreos | yeah that's the exact same one that I was referring to, if you know about backupmenu by robbiethe1st, that backupmenu for instance relies on bootmenu |
| 02:01.25 | luke-jr | so if I install that, I should be safe to reboot? <.< |
| 02:01.56 | psycho_oreos | again I don't know what your setup is like so I can't say for certain.. you can try after you have created a backup of your setup |
| 02:02.21 | luke-jr | too lazy |
| 02:02.31 | luke-jr | crosses fingers |
| 02:02.40 | Macer | damnit |
| 02:02.46 | Macer | i have to find out what ports this synology uses |
| 02:02.51 | Macer | and if i can set up a relay |
| 02:02.57 | jacekowski | Macer: what are you doing? |
| 02:03.04 | Macer | setting up the mail server on it |
| 02:03.13 | Macer | i need a real ssl cert |
| 02:03.14 | jacekowski | 25 and 110 |
| 02:03.17 | luke-jr | loves having etckeeper on his N900 |
| 02:03.19 | Macer | for ssl? |
| 02:03.21 | jacekowski | yes |
| 02:03.34 | jacekowski | and it's called TLS |
| 02:03.44 | Macer | i though imaps used ssl on a different port |
| 02:03.48 | jacekowski | ssl is obsolete |
| 02:03.48 | Macer | 485 or something |
| 02:03.48 | pabs3 | luke-jr: how'd you get that? |
| 02:04.01 | jacekowski | starttls is current thing |
| 02:04.06 | jacekowski | and that works over the same port |
| 02:04.12 | Macer | jacekowski: i see |
| 02:04.26 | luke-jr | pabs3: I think I stole a Debian pkg, found a compatible git, and installed some GNU tools |
| 02:04.37 | pabs3 | aha |
| 02:04.37 | jacekowski | jacekowski:~/pliki/RE# nc jacekowski.org 25 |
| 02:04.38 | jacekowski | 220 jacekowski.org ESMTP Postfix |
| 02:04.38 | jacekowski | EHLO jacekowski.org |
| 02:04.42 | jacekowski | 250-STARTTLS |
| 02:05.00 | jacekowski | for ESMTP for example |
| 02:05.05 | luke-jr | pabs3: the git was the hard part. |
| 02:05.24 | jacekowski | you connect to server, introduce yourself and then server responds if it can do STARTTLS |
| 02:05.29 | luke-jr | git-core_1.6.6-1maemo1_armel.deb <-- what I ended up using |
| 02:05.31 | Macer | jacekowski: that's on the synology? |
| 02:05.34 | jacekowski | yes |
| 02:05.38 | Macer | nice let me try it |
| 02:05.40 | pabs3 | luke-jr: for a second there I thought you were running Debian instead of Maemo :) |
| 02:05.43 | jacekowski | if it can, you can ask it to enable encryption by issuing STARTTLS command |
| 02:05.44 | Macer | so i just need 25 and 110 to hit the ds? |
| 02:05.50 | jacekowski | yes |
| 02:05.55 | jacekowski | unless you want imap as well |
| 02:06.04 | Macer | i do |
| 02:06.05 | luke-jr | pabs3: well, I'm working on switching entirely to Gentoo |
| 02:06.10 | Macer | what port is imap? |
| 02:06.11 | jacekowski | then you need 143 as well |
| 02:06.25 | luke-jr | I have a custom Subversion-based "etckeeper" on Gentoo atm |
| 02:06.31 | luke-jr | not happy with etckeeper's portage support |
| 02:07.17 | Macer | oh lord |
| 02:08.03 | jacekowski | hmm, what's the point of etckeeper in maemo |
| 02:08.10 | jacekowski | when all shit is stored in ~ anyways |
| 02:08.20 | jacekowski | all important user configurable shit |
| 02:08.38 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I never replace ~ |
| 02:08.52 | luke-jr | but I do tweak /etc sometimes |
| 02:08.56 | luke-jr | like the bluez config |
| 02:09.01 | luke-jr | N900's default sucks |
| 02:09.06 | jacekowski | it works |
| 02:09.47 | luke-jr | does it? |
| 02:09.56 | luke-jr | can you use the GPS over BT? |
| 02:10.07 | luke-jr | no. |
| 02:10.12 | Macer | damn rekonq sucks |
| 02:10.15 | jacekowski | my n900 had builtin gps |
| 02:10.25 | Macer | it is like the thing that would be awesome if it worked :) |
| 02:10.35 | jacekowski | Macer: well, chrome |
| 02:10.40 | Macer | chromium ;) |
| 02:10.49 | Macer | is there an official chrome for ubuntu? |
| 02:10.50 | jacekowski | Macer: it's all based on KHTML |
| 02:10.54 | Macer | i usually just install chromium |
| 02:10.58 | luke-jr | Macer: I used rekonq for a bit. |
| 02:11.03 | Macer | jacekowski: yeah but for some reason rekonq doesn't work well |
| 02:11.05 | jacekowski | part of konqueror |
| 02:11.07 | luke-jr | jacekowski: you're thinking backward. |
| 02:11.21 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I want to use the N900's GPS from a full laptop. |
| 02:11.32 | jacekowski | luke-jr: somebody made software for that |
| 02:11.36 | luke-jr | so N900 needs to say "I'm a GPS" |
| 02:11.37 | jacekowski | can't remember who was it |
| 02:11.44 | luke-jr | jacekowski: might be remembering me |
| 02:11.45 | jacekowski | but it's a phone |
| 02:11.52 | jacekowski | not a gps |
| 02:11.54 | luke-jr | though I never bothered to release it properly |
| 02:11.58 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no, it isn't a phone |
| 02:12.05 | jacekowski | so you are asking your tablet to lie |
| 02:12.06 | luke-jr | N900 is more GPS than phone |
| 02:12.23 | luke-jr | jacekowski: N900 should be advertising itself as a "mobile computer" on BT |
| 02:12.27 | luke-jr | with GPS as a feature |
| 02:13.54 | Macer | jacekowski: so just forward 25, 110, 143 to the synology and just set up the n900 with tls enabled and life will be better ? :) |
| 02:14.07 | jacekowski | yes |
| 02:14.17 | jacekowski | well, either 110 or 143 |
| 02:14.25 | jacekowski | you don't need both |
| 02:14.28 | luke-jr | 0x7F0110 |
| 02:16.15 | Macer | jacekowski: you never know if there is a client with a broken imap ;) |
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| 02:36.37 | luke-jr | yay, Gentoo booting once again! |
| 02:36.57 | luke-jr | … or not :x |
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| 02:56.23 | luke-jr | OMG |
| 02:56.27 | luke-jr | total filesystem corruption |
| 02:56.29 | luke-jr | x.x |
| 03:00.32 | nox- | o_O gentoo on n900? |
| 03:01.16 | luke-jr | … |
| 03:01.49 | luke-jr | well, it WAS |
| 03:01.54 | luke-jr | until something went and corrupted everything x.x |
| 03:02.00 | nox- | :/ |
| 03:03.04 | luke-jr | I think I need to reformat now |
| 03:03.06 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 03:04.42 | nox- | compiling on the poor little cpu doesnt sound like fun to me anyway |
| 03:05.13 | nox- | still, crazy stuff... :) |
| 03:05.37 | nox- | (that gentoo runs, not that yours is corrupted...) |
| 03:06.32 | luke-jr | only linking |
| 03:06.36 | luke-jr | I use distcc :p |
| 03:06.44 | nox- | ah |
| 03:07.23 | nox- | anyway, bbl |
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| 04:45.30 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, disable fsck |
| 04:45.35 | luke-jr | … |
| 04:45.38 | luke-jr | why? |
| 04:46.06 | ShadowJK | Because ext* assumes you have a harddrive |
| 04:46.10 | luke-jr | so? |
| 04:46.19 | luke-jr | without fsck it'll certainly corrupt |
| 04:46.33 | ShadowJK | It actually keeps it amazingly consisten just with ext3+journal |
| 04:47.03 | ShadowJK | On harddrive at powerloss you lose like 512 bytes, or 4k, or the last x * 4k sectors written |
| 04:47.22 | luke-jr | journal still needs fsck to recover |
| 04:47.30 | luke-jr | and journal will shorten SSD lifetime |
| 04:47.38 | ShadowJK | On flash you lose that 512b, plus additional 128-512k randomly chosen sectors that get old data.. |
| 04:48.14 | luke-jr | ew |
| 04:48.17 | ShadowJK | Ideally you'd have a gigantic journal :) |
| 04:48.26 | luke-jr | well, the journal issues is why I use ext2, not ext3 |
| 04:48.35 | ShadowJK | I don't think it's an issue |
| 04:48.48 | luke-jr | yes, becasue the journal assumes things get written in order |
| 04:49.24 | ShadowJK | and on boot the kernel rewrites whatever is in the journal, and things tend to work out better |
| 04:50.24 | ShadowJK | even better would be nilfs2 or LogFS.. though nilfs2 would chew through battery |
| 04:50.42 | luke-jr | and would require backporting, testing, etc |
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| 04:51.08 | ShadowJK | yeah there's that :P |
| 04:51.14 | luke-jr | ext2 worked well for years |
| 04:51.31 | luke-jr | which makes me suspect it's a booting issue |
| 04:51.37 | luke-jr | with this new kernel |
| 04:51.45 | luke-jr | I couldn't boot Maemo with it, either |
| 04:51.50 | luke-jr | nfc why |
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| 06:27.49 | Sicelo | luke-jr: gps to laptop >> columbus |
| 06:27.58 | luke-jr | ? |
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| 06:43.30 | Sicelo | 4:11 < luke-jr> jacekowski: I want to use the N900's GPS from a full laptop. |
| 06:43.40 | luke-jr | … |
| 06:44.05 | Sicelo | ok. maybe didn't get u |
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| 06:48.51 | Sicelo | what i meant is that columbus is the package that does that |
| 06:50.49 | luke-jr | o |
| 06:54.37 | luke-jr | can't seem to find the code |
| 06:56.46 | Sicelo | iirc it was developed by alterego |
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| 10:49.05 | Macer | damnit |
| 10:49.22 | Macer | telnetting to a port should show something if a service is running right? |
| 10:53.30 | raptor67682 | hello. is there a phone that has voice reconigtion, like maemo? |
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| 11:00.41 | psycho_oreos | voice recognition like maemo? wtf? |
| 11:00.59 | gggs | Macer: depends if it's dropped/denied via firewall rules |
| 11:01.29 | gggs | Macer: try nmap |
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| 13:04.17 | Macer | damnit |
| 13:04.25 | Macer | for the life of me i can't find out why smtp won't connect on this synology |
| 13:04.30 | Macer | nor does tls imap :-P |
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| 13:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | M4rtinK: yeah, or even voicetogoog |
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| 13:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | well, seems that'S only on maemo6 for now |
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| 13:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | anyway raptor67682 's question sounds quite upside-down |
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| 13:49.09 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 13:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if/when Siri/theGoogle$thing will implement a pull feature, I.E. mic activation from remote, so Siri can listen whenever it thinks it's worth it ;-D |
| 13:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | moos @ Pali |
| 13:49.44 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:49.51 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'Can somebody remind me again how to backup your messages/conversations in harmattan? Where were they stored again?'. |
| 13:50.41 | freemangordon | Pali, wish you luck |
| 13:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 13:50.50 | Pali | hello |
| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | hey freemangordon |
| 13:51.00 | freemangordon | hey |
| 13:51.55 | freemangordon | seems no hen developers left , it is only you |
| 13:52.22 | Pali | where is X-Fade? |
| 13:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: if you want to chat with H-E-N hardcore kernel hackers you should've joined ##mhd since some days. You ignored all my invites, now paul said >gtg,bbl< some 15min ago |
| 13:52.28 | freemangordon | who knows |
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| 13:52.56 | freemangordon | sorry, saw the invitations next day |
| 13:53.07 | freemangordon | i've just have changed my irc client |
| 13:53.37 | freemangordon | BTW I still don't know which is the best IRC client to use |
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| 13:54.04 | freemangordon | winoze? |
| 13:57.00 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, what was the hen channel? |
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| 14:11.13 | Pali | DocScrutinizer: now I found some bq2415x kernel driver from Nokia: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/176 |
| 14:11.35 | Pali | DocScrutinizer: do you know about it? |
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| 14:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I heard about it ans somewhat looked into it |
| 14:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | haven't completely analyzed it but it seems it still relies on undocumented interaction with some bme shit |
| 14:13.38 | Pali | here is source code: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/178 |
| 14:14.05 | Pali | I see that this only export functions via /dev/ file |
| 14:14.16 | freemangordon | Pali, did you tyr last patch i've sent? |
| 14:14.20 | freemangordon | try* |
| 14:14.43 | Pali | freemangordon: sorry not yet |
| 14:14.48 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 14:16.21 | Pali | Now I'm compiling it |
| 14:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: also on a 30s glance to that patch I spot things like "bq2415x_chg_low(true)" which again make me think Nokia only did the bare minimum they thought they might find useful for their special usecase - as usual |
| 14:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | bq2415x_chg_low(true) |
| 14:17.00 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: did you work on ham already? |
| 14:17.08 | freemangordon | no |
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| 14:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | case BQ2415X_CHG_NORM: res = bq2415x_chg_low(false); |
| 14:17.52 | freemangordon | i'm still fighting kp stuff |
| 14:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | friggin sh*t I don't want to choose from charge-low and charge-normal, I want to control charge current to the last digit that bq24150 allows |
| 14:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | or compare the implementation of >>bq2415x_set_current_limit(struct regulator_dev *rdev, int min_uA, int max_uA)<< with what my suggested API specifies |
| 14:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | and I bet the whole thing doesn't even touch boostmode |
| 14:23.12 | Pali | it is not better to fix that existing nokias driver instead writing new? |
| 14:23.52 | SpeedEvil | The existing hostmode stuff on the n900 is fragmentary. |
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| 14:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: no, see: >>MODULE_DESCRIPTION("TI BQ24153/6 one-cell Li-Ion charger driver");<< -- We got bq24150 which is quite a bit different it seems |
| 14:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | though, when I think about it, I didn't find that much diffs in datasheet, still this driver bewilders me |
| 14:29.07 | jonwil | wishes he could decide what n900 thing to work on |
| 14:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | anyway this driver is confusing, and doesn't deal *at all* with vboost |
| 14:31.27 | Pali | I think it is more simply to add vboost to that driver instead writing all from sketch |
| 14:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: and looking through the source from start to end it appears to me the Nokia driver doesn't implement any additional intelligence so it still needs all the bme cruft like it does now. My driver spec OTOH is meant to implement an autonomous handler that only needs a ONE-TIME config e.g. during boot and then could happily run along charging under same unchanged situation for infinite time without any bme retriggering watchdog and similar |
| 14:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | cruft. The idea is to allow concurrent userland/other systems to simply set up charger to meet the situation (host powered charging, fastcharger charging, even vboost) and then leave it alone |
| 14:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | while the driver itself controls and maintains the bq24150 chip |
| 14:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. tickles watchdog etc |
| 14:35.56 | Pali | yes, I know |
| 14:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia driver fails completely on this idea |
| 14:37.11 | Pali | can bq chip tell us if charger or power usb cable is connected? |
| 14:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | it can't |
| 14:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | you need other kernel based and useland cruft to do so |
| 14:37.53 | Pali | so we need additional checks (from other driver?) to check that |
| 14:38.06 | Pali | so auto charge should be in other kernel module |
| 14:38.18 | Pali | not in bq2415x*.ko |
| 14:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, it can detect VBUS 5V, it can to some degree check if PHY chip things there'S D+/- short |
| 14:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | you can set up bq24150 to start charging @ XXXmA whenever there'S VBUS 5V applied |
| 14:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | for more nifty stuff we need support from way more complex systems, and that's userland task |
| 14:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | like doing USB ENUM to learn if PC can power 500mA |
| 14:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | or if it is a PC at all |
| 14:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | or rather a dumb charger with missing D+/- short (->100mA max, according to Nokia's conservative and standards conforming policy) |
| 14:41.34 | Pali | ok |
| 14:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | for all this other systems are involved, as charger driver can't do e.g. ENUM |
| 14:42.11 | Pali | what is isp1704 charger? |
| 14:42.30 | luke-jr | wow |
| 14:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | lol, 1704 is USB PHY detecting D+/- short |
| 14:42.38 | Pali | in upstream kernel it is something for rx51: http://lwn.net/Articles/400910/ |
| 14:42.41 | luke-jr | I'm definitely noticing a huge performance boost switching to hardfp on N900 |
| 14:43.01 | luke-jr | jonwil: kernels |
| 14:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: so isp1704_charger probably means the PHY has detected D+/- short and thus the plugged in cherging device is considered to be a fastcharger |
| 14:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: bq24150 even has a hw signal line to talk to PHY directly regarding this |
| 14:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | alas the PHY is not always consistent in asserting this signal |
| 14:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | as PHY msutn't try to detect D+/- short when an active USB session is ongoing, as it would break data transfer (check for Data+ to Data- short, go figure!) |
| 14:46.57 | Pali | ok |
| 14:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | otoh an active USB session means there's definitely no D+/- short ;-D |
| 14:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | you see charging over USB is quite entangled a bit with generic USB driver though |
| 14:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | which is why we need to get rid of BME for hostmode, basically |
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| 14:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: for bq24150 proper cherging&VBOOST versatile kernel driver all this doesn't matter too much |
| 14:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | my specs specify a *sane* interface (I hope) that allows to offload the annoying bits to the driver while keeping all the nifty finegrained control to userland |
| 14:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | I even planned for raw register access for "dumb brute force access" the bme alike style |
| 14:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | so with a very simple wrapper to change direct I2C-writes/reads to /sys/bq24150/<register> clean reads/writes bme could still work on this driver, though would basically disable all the smartness in that driver - but well that'S what bme likes to do |
| 14:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | a "smarter bme" would just write once to things like /sys/bq24150/... USB-curlim,chterm_ena,chterm_thld,CC,CV... and then echo auto >watchdog |
| 14:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | then let kernel driver and chip do their thing |
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| 15:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | you could kill smarter-bme and uninstall it and charging would continue happily, after that |
| 15:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | next time smarter-bme would be needed was on next plug-in of charger/PC |
| 15:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | to check type of "charger" and again write once to above mentioned sysnodes |
| 15:01.34 | jonwil | wonders why Nokia chose to ignore most of the functionality of the charger chip and write all sorts of funky code in BME instead |
| 15:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: heritage |
| 15:01.51 | jacekowski | because rapuyama used to do charging |
| 15:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | legacy |
| 15:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 15:02.03 | jacekowski | and rapuyama has same code in it as big parts of BME |
| 15:02.15 | jacekowski | even on n900 |
| 15:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | they simply ported the age-old bme code that basically was there on 6210 phones, to N900 |
| 15:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | and ignored the fact they now got a smart charger chip that could do all that nasty stuff for them |
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| 15:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | probably not even Nokia did that, I suspect they hired a subcontractor that does this for them since 1999 |
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| 15:04.53 | Venemo | lol |
| 15:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | well, lol but no kidding |
| 15:05.11 | jacekowski | why 99? |
| 15:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | that's when I seen same shite in Nokia 6210 monitor, nder "battery" tab |
| 15:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it pedates this phone ;-D |
| 15:06.27 | Venemo | LoL :D |
| 15:06.30 | jonwil | wonders if there is an easy way to add a "switch between 2G and 3G" option to the status bar menu |
| 15:06.42 | jacekowski | there was applet for that |
| 15:06.51 | jonwil | any idea what it is called? |
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| 15:06.58 | jacekowski | nope |
| 15:07.03 | jacekowski | i don't have n900 anymore |
| 15:07.04 | jonwil | damn :( |
| 15:07.09 | jacekowski | i have N8 with symbian |
| 15:07.17 | luke-jr | … |
| 15:07.18 | luke-jr | fail |
| 15:07.22 | jonwil | If one already exists, saves me reinventing the wheel |
| 15:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | beats jacekowski around a little |
| 15:07.33 | jonwil | but if I cant find it, it doesn't help me |
| 15:07.45 | jacekowski | search for 3g |
| 15:08.05 | jacekowski | 3g2g-mode-selection-applet - Switch between the three network modes (3G, 2G and Dual) from the status menu |
| 15:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | 2G/3G switcher applet - or sth like that |
| 15:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using it all the time |
| 15:09.11 | jonwil | found it, now I need to add it to my phone :) |
| 15:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | recently 2G(!) became abysmally poor here so I don't use it that much anymore |
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| 15:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | hen a year ago I had to switch to 2G when entering my fav pub, or otherwise connection is all shaky and introduces dropouts, on 3g - now it's exactly the other way round |
| 15:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | 3G sort of works now in that pub, but 2G is unbearable |
| 15:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if they got a good price for the surplus 2G equipment they sold... fools |
| 15:13.04 | jonwil | got a notice in the mail calling for public consultation on the erection of a new cell tower in his area |
| 15:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I read "erection" and thought "meh, SPAM" |
| 15:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 15:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
| 15:14.31 | RST38h | HELO gentlemen |
| 15:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | EHLO RST38h |
| 15:14.41 | jonwil | hmmm so should I work on wlan stuff, h-i-m stuff, osso-backup stuff, libbmeipc/hald-addon-bme stuff, sysinfo/libsysinfo stuff, systemui stuff, connectivity ui stuff or maps stuff...? |
| 15:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | hald-addon-bme sounds like it would go nicely along with Pali 's / my bq24150 driver stuff |
| 15:16.49 | jonwil | it would basically be a 1:1 clone of hald-addon-bme plus a 1:! clone of libbmeipc and a dev package for libbmeipc |
| 15:16.55 | Pali | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.07 | jonwil | no its not, not on the N900 Fremantle |
| 15:17.15 | jonwil | n900_libbme on meego is open |
| 15:17.24 | Pali | is not same? |
| 15:17.26 | jonwil | but that's different |
| 15:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | replace hald-addon-bme, bme, and bq27200/bq24150 .ko in one pkg and we get a sane bme free kernel that kinda just works |
| 15:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: bq24150.ko has no way to support libbmeipc |
| 15:18.10 | Pali | hald-addon-bme is easy to write - we can use bq27200 kernel driver |
| 15:18.22 | jonwil | There are 3 places that talk to libbmepic other than hald-addon-bme. One is nokia-closed-pulseaudio-blobs, one is dsme_thermalsurface and the last one is testserver |
| 15:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | you need to patch hald-addon-bme to directly use the sysfs nodes |
| 15:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: :nod: |
| 15:18.55 | Pali | we do not need bmeipc.... all applications using hal |
| 15:18.56 | jonwil | its fairly easy to make something that exposes the same outside-world interface as hald-addon-bme but talks directly to kernel |
| 15:19.17 | jonwil | nokia-pulseaudio-blobs cant be changed easily |
| 15:19.19 | jonwil | since they are closed |
| 15:19.28 | jonwil | dsme_themalsurface is open though |
| 15:19.35 | jonwil | and testserver doesnt seem to be used normally |
| 15:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | for PA we need to figure WTF it does, thermal is kinda obvious what it does and we need to do similar thing in "jrbme" or bq24150.ko, and testserver, oh my |
| 15:19.57 | Pali | dsme thermal can be patched |
| 15:20.30 | jonwil | I posted to mailing list a while back with info on this |
| 15:20.37 | jonwil | including info on what bme call pulseaudio is making |
| 15:21.00 | Pali | is not nokia pulseaudio open in meego? |
| 15:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
| 15:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | grrr |
| 15:21.42 | jonwil | nope, nokia-pulseaudio-blobs are still closed in meego |
| 15:21.48 | jonwil | smaller blobs but still closed |
| 15:22.01 | jonwil | aha, my post is titled "Information on the interface to hald-addon-bme (so it can be replaced with something that bypasses BME and talks to the kernel directly)" |
| 15:22.06 | jonwil | google for that to find it :) |
| 15:22.22 | jonwil | the only thing pulseaudio cares about is the temprature value |
| 15:22.42 | jonwil | the source code for dsme-thermalobject-surface should show you exactly what bme calls are being made |
| 15:22.51 | Pali | pulseaudio and temperature?? WTF?? |
| 15:22.53 | jonwil | and I can confirm that pulseaudio seems to only be using the same values |
| 15:23.19 | Pali | why pulseaudio need temperature? |
| 15:23.23 | jonwil | no idea |
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| 15:23.56 | jonwil | so yeah I think given the info I posted in that mailing list post, there isn't that much in hald-addon-bme or libbmeipc that is worth cloning or figuring out :) |
| 15:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | speaker protection or sth weird |
| 15:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | I could say "they need it for ultra-smart echo cancellation, as speed for sound is varying with air temperature" but LOL |
| 15:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | speed OF sound |
| 15:25.56 | jonwil | so should I work on wlan, h-i-m, osso-backup, sysinfo, systemui, connectivity ui or maps? |
| 15:26.19 | freemangordon | h-i-m |
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| 15:26.24 | freemangordon | :) |
| 15:26.39 | jonwil | do you know what h-i-m means in this case? :P |
| 15:26.55 | freemangordon | hm, hoping it is hildon-input-method |
| 15:27.02 | jonwil | yes it is |
| 15:27.16 | jonwil | what specifically do you think I should be doing on hildon-input-method? |
| 15:27.23 | freemangordon | renderer |
| 15:27.47 | Pali | hildon-input-method library is open, only plugins are closed, sure? |
| 15:28.04 | jonwil | the library is open |
| 15:28.17 | jonwil | but plugins and renderers and stuff are closed |
| 15:28.25 | jonwil | including the hildon vkb renderer widget |
| 15:28.43 | jonwil | and the library that handles the virtual keyboard layouts |
| 15:28.49 | jonwil | and more besides :( |
| 15:28.54 | freemangordon | jonwil, btw there is almost working (AFAIK) example of renderer somewhere in maemo application framework |
| 15:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: a clean hald-addon-bme implementation that doesn't use libbmeipc but rather directly uses /sys/bq27200/* and /sys/bq24150/* would quite be worth it :-) |
| 15:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | err, |
| 15:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ^^^ |
| 15:29.23 | Pali | jonwil: on http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages I see 3 packages: hildon-input-method-configurator hildon-input-method-plugins-western hildon-input-method-widgets |
| 15:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: ETAB |
| 15:29.36 | freemangordon | np |
| 15:29.49 | jonwil | The info needed for such a hald-addon-bme is in my mailing list post |
| 15:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: sure, I thought you asked what to *work on*, not what to investigate and publish docs ;-) |
| 15:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | but yeah, I got it now |
| 15:31.45 | jonwil | except that I dont want to work on kernel stuff :P |
| 15:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | hald-addon-bme is all but kernel |
| 15:32.31 | jonwil | it talks to kernel though :P |
| 15:32.47 | jonwil | I know nothing about kernel battery driver, best to let someone who does write new hald-addon-bme :P |
| 15:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | even access to bq24150/27200 is a userland plain read() |
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| 15:33.50 | freemangordon | jonwil, damn libhildon-im-vkbrenderer.so.3.0.3 is 33k of size, shouldn't be that hard to RE ans rewrite it |
| 15:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | fopen("/sys/platform/*/*/bq27200/whatever") |
| 15:33.59 | freemangordon | and* |
| 15:34.08 | jonwil | oh and for hildon-input-method stuff, the closed packages are hildon-im-common-virtual-settings , hildon-im-fkb , hildon-im-keyboard-assistant, hildon-im-keyboard-assistant-scv , hildon-im-plugin-base-settings , hildon-im-virtual-keyboard-layouts , hildon-input-method-configurator , hildon-input-method-plugins-western , hildon-input-method-widgets |
| 15:34.15 | jonwil | plus also ezitext* packages |
| 15:34.23 | jonwil | and imengines-ezitext |
| 15:34.40 | freemangordon | we don't need all that stuff for portrait keyboard |
| 15:34.43 | Pali | ezitext are only spelling database? |
| 15:35.39 | jonwil | well as far as hildon-input-method work goes, my first target is to finish cloning western_common_vim_settings.so, hildon-input-method-configurator.bin and possibly libcptextinput.so |
| 15:35.58 | jonwil | which will mean the list of valid hwkbd layouts can be un-hard-coded |
| 15:36.10 | jonwil | as those 3 binaries are what contain the hardcoded lists |
| 15:36.22 | jonwil | as for libhildon-im-vkbrenderer, its not as simple as it looks :P |
| 15:36.29 | freemangordon | hmm, how then ukeyboard adds my language? |
| 15:36.35 | freemangordon | Bulgarian |
| 15:36.52 | jonwil | the hardcoded lists seem to only affect the settings |
| 15:37.04 | jonwil | h-i-m and its plugins just use whatever value is in gconf |
| 15:37.12 | freemangordon | so, why then one should care? |
| 15:37.20 | freemangordon | if there is a workaround |
| 15:38.09 | jonwil | because normal users dont want a hack, they want to be able to pick their new layouts from the dropdown with all the rest |
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| 15:39.09 | freemangordon | sure, but ukeyboard allows exactly that without any hackery |
| 15:39.16 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 15:39.31 | jonwil | well I am probably going to clone it anyway :P |
| 15:39.48 | freemangordon | it uses standart .vkb files |
| 15:39.59 | jonwil | western_common_vim_settings.so isn't rocket science although I am close to the point where I say "forget about cloning it exactly and just write something that does the same thing" |
| 15:40.49 | Pali | jonwil: in hildon welcome (screen to choose time&date + language at boot first time) is propably hardcoded languages... I cannot see here additional my (slovak) lang, but in control panel is visible |
| 15:41.23 | Pali | it is true that language choose box/menu is hardcoded or only bad configuration? |
| 15:42.30 | Pali | This is really annoying that after remove and insert battery I must start phone 2 times (one to choose english and then in control panel change to other)... |
| 15:42.44 | jonwil | looks |
| 15:43.28 | jonwil | ok, hildon-welcome.launch is not making any GTK calls |
| 15:43.31 | jonwil | its only making some X calls |
| 15:43.42 | jonwil | plus some gconf calls |
| 15:43.47 | jonwil | I mean gstreamer calls |
| 15:43.51 | jonwil | and glic |
| 15:43.53 | jonwil | glib |
| 15:43.54 | jonwil | and dbus |
| 15:44.12 | jonwil | its asking mce to turn on the display with req_display_state_on |
| 15:44.31 | jonwil | thats all it does for dbus |
| 15:45.01 | Pali | I do not know if it is app with name hildon-welcome |
| 15:45.11 | jonwil | hmmm maybe its not |
| 15:45.16 | jonwil | in fact I dont think it is |
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| 15:46.22 | freemangordon | jonwil, seen that http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-input-method-plugins-example ? |
| 15:46.53 | jonwil | yep, I seen that, not very helpful with the stuff I am doing though because of how simple it is :P |
| 15:47.59 | merlin1991 | cssu stable is out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261#post1129261 |
| 15:48.07 | freemangordon | good, good |
| 15:48.12 | merlin1991 | goes to write the maemo-dev crosspost |
| 15:48.35 | freemangordon | jonwil, I am going to RE libhildon-im-vkbrenderer |
| 15:48.46 | jonwil | ok, you do that |
| 15:48.49 | jonwil | if you think you can |
| 15:48.58 | freemangordon | at least I will try |
| 15:49.19 | jonwil | go ahead and use my libimlayouts header file if you like |
| 15:49.35 | freemangordon | Not I am much in GTK |
| 15:49.46 | freemangordon | Not that* |
| 15:50.00 | freemangordon | Time to learn something new |
| 15:51.55 | jonwil | aha, osso-startup-wizzard is the app I want |
| 15:58.03 | jonwil | anyone heard of clutter? |
| 15:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ |
| 15:58.34 | merlin1991 | thanks doc :) |
| 15:58.41 | merlin1991 | I already thought nobody cared ;) |
| 15:58.46 | luke-jr | ponders if a decent WM is possible on N900 given its practical lack of 3D accel |
| 15:59.45 | SpeedEvil | Compute MIPS/framebuffer-size. |
| 15:59.50 | jonwil | oh and pali, check files in /usr/share/osso-startup-wizard, those seem to be where it gets its config from |
| 15:59.52 | SpeedEvil | It's >>>1 |
| 16:00.37 | luke-jr | 1.5 kIPS per pixel |
| 16:03.26 | Pali | jonwil: thanks! |
| 16:04.36 | jonwil | bah this is too hard to follow, its using clutter (which I know nothing about), something called cogl (also unknown), plus a bunch of hard-to-follow C++ stuff like std::string and iostreams |
| 16:04.49 | jonwil | its also using libcityinfo |
| 16:05.00 | trumee | anybody has experience with a good 1A car charger to use with N900? |
| 16:05.23 | jonwil | lots of dbus calls too |
| 16:05.49 | trumee | only has experience with Nokia DC-10 charger which has a very short cable and useless now. |
| 16:06.20 | jonwil | its also using libi18n_locale_resolve_list_predefined |
| 16:06.22 | jonwil | whatever that is |
| 16:06.51 | luke-jr | trumee: I grabbed a cheap dual-USB-port one off NewEgg |
| 16:07.05 | trumee | luke-jr: 1A? |
| 16:07.08 | luke-jr | trumee: 1A & 2A |
| 16:07.24 | luke-jr | no cable, you plug your normal USB one into it |
| 16:07.37 | trumee | luke-jr: cool. i need to buy one in UK |
| 16:08.07 | jonwil | aha, that function comes from libi18n-locale-resolver0 which is closed |
| 16:08.22 | luke-jr | is there a safe way to preemptively prevent my USB port from breaking? |
| 16:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: nah, this will become THE BIG NEWS over the next 48h |
| 16:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: see ^^^ |
| 16:08.43 | trumee | luke-jr: what is the use of 2A port? |
| 16:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: for MWKN |
| 16:09.00 | luke-jr | trumee: I guess iPads use it or something. I just figured a 2nd port would allow me future expansion |
| 16:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: that'S definitely next monday's headline |
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| 16:10.22 | merlin1991 | lmao Doc on a newsrampage :D |
| 16:10.39 | jonwil | hmmm, the data in /usr/share/i18n_locale_resolver seems interesting (but in an undocumented, uneditable binary format) |
| 16:10.50 | trumee | luke-jr: is it ok to plug N900 into the 2A charger? |
| 16:11.03 | luke-jr | trumee: can't hurt. |
| 16:11.28 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 || CSSU-Stable IS OUT: get it via links in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1129261 *now*! |
| 16:11.37 | trumee | luke-jr: found something, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Two-Port-2-1A-USB-Charger/dp/B005JCPZ22/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322323800&sr=8-1 |
| 16:12.25 | jonwil | aha, clutter is a drawing library |
| 16:12.42 | jonwil | i.e. its used by osso-startup-wizard because the latter is a fullscreen app and doesnt need to use GTK |
| 16:13.09 | jonwil | although clutter still has a dep on gtk |
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| 16:16.27 | luke-jr | avoiding GTK is impossible now :/ |
| 16:16.35 | luke-jr | even BlueZ and pkg-config use GTK |
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| 16:20.11 | r00t|home | bluez only requires it for the pin-input widget, which is just ridiculous... |
| 16:22.09 | luke-jr | r00t|home: wtf? srsly? |
| 16:22.14 | luke-jr | why doesn't it use pinentry? |
| 16:22.29 | r00t|home | at least that's the issue i had with bluez on notebooks |
| 16:23.06 | r00t|home | there is a cli-tool included, but debian only delivers the source, no binary of it, and the package depends on the whole gui cruft |
| 16:23.16 | luke-jr | x.x |
| 16:23.18 | luke-jr | I use Gentoo anyhow |
| 16:23.55 | Corsac | you seem wrong, nor bluez nor bluez-tools depend on gtk |
| 16:24.06 | Corsac | bluez-gnome does, obviously |
| 16:24.49 | r00t|home | me? maybe they changed it by now, but it used to be that way |
| 16:26.25 | Corsac | and pkg-config only requires glib |
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| 16:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I was going to stick it on the Miscellaneous page. |
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| 17:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: well, it's finally an "official" community repo for maemo recommended to *everyone* |
| 17:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | :P |
| 17:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | basically we could even expect from Nokia to include concerns about compatibilty to CSSU-S for any further (obviously never coming) update |
| 17:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | for N900 users today is a historic date, a quantum leap (though I hate the term as it's basically wrong) |
| 17:08.56 | SpeedEvil | Err - I missed most of todays discussion - wut? |
| 17:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU-Stable is officially out in the wild |
| 17:10.13 | SpeedEvil | Ah! |
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| 17:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon offline?? DANG! |
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| 17:20.13 | luke-jr | yawn |
| 17:20.23 | luke-jr | as if CSSU has any potential |
| 17:20.25 | luke-jr | too much closed |
| 17:20.39 | luke-jr | you can't maintain something without source |
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| 17:34.29 | Macer | luke-jr: maybe it is like quake... they are just waiting a little while before releasing it all |
| 17:34.39 | luke-jr | nonsense |
| 17:35.12 | Macer | as it stands though regardless of all that... maemo is probably still the best portable linux distro you can use on a device with a phone built in |
| 17:35.49 | Macer | the hildon closed bits are probably the worst thing nokia has closed right now. but i'm no dev so i don't know |
| 17:37.07 | Macer | i mean if you can show me another linux distro on a device which allows for some pretty good comm i'd love to see it |
| 17:37.18 | Macer | but it is obviously not gentoo :) |
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| 17:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: defeatist! we got some fixes to "closed" stuff in CSSU, we even got or are about to get true rewrites of other closed bits, for the mere benefit of openness, as being closed is a bug in itself as well |
| 17:58.33 | GeneralAntilles | Wish somebody'd port Swipe |
| 18:00.52 | bindi | swipe? swype? |
| 18:00.55 | MohammadAG | Fuck that |
| 18:00.56 | MohammadAG | Oh wait, swype or swipe? |
| 18:01.05 | bindi | swype is horrible, i tried it once |
| 18:01.06 | MohammadAG | swipe is harmattan's ui |
| 18:01.07 | bindi | _once_ |
| 18:01.29 | MohammadAG | It's a nice concept, and ou |
| 18:01.37 | MohammadAG | You do type faster |
| 18:01.45 | MohammadAG | But you also spend more time correcting mistakes |
| 18:01.54 | neal | how does swipe improve typing speed? |
| 18:02.11 | SpeedEvil | swype |
| 18:02.15 | MohammadAG | It's easier to reach a radius than the letter itself |
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| 18:59.21 | freemangordon | jonwil, ping |
| 19:00.02 | freemangordon | ~seen jonwil |
| 19:00.09 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 47m ago, saying: 'although clutter still has a dep on gtk'. |
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| 19:03.24 | Macer | http://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.com/articles/nokia-shares-slip-on-weak-windows-phone-estimates/19742/ |
| 19:03.32 | Macer | omg... 500K? |
| 19:03.41 | Macer | they're going under :) |
| 19:05.07 | javispedro | yeah.. |
| 19:05.23 | Sicelo | freemangordon: paul is back in #mhd |
| 19:05.36 | freemangordon | thanks |
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| 19:08.47 | Macer | In an interview with the publication, Nokia chief executive Stephen Elop said sales would build over time, but declined to give internal targets. “We are interested first and foremost about volume. Our highest priority is to help Windows Phones to compete with Android. This is the first showcase product.â |
| 19:09.11 | Macer | spoken like a true ms puppet. :) ms is going to buy them i bet |
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| 19:11.37 | SpeedEvil | crosses fingers for strong n9 sales. |
| 19:12.32 | Venemo | hehehehhh |
| 19:12.38 | Venemo | they deserved it |
| 19:24.59 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.50 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 19:27.45 | Venemo | congrats MohammadAG |
| 19:27.49 | luke-jr | lol |
| 19:28.53 | Macer | broke as in hacked.. or broke as in doesn't work anymore? |
| 19:29.09 | Macer | http://www.cellular-news.com/story/51564.php |
| 19:29.38 | Macer | still #3! lol. i think that is only because htc makes crap phones |
| 19:30.45 | MohammadAG | Macer fucked it up |
| 19:31.04 | Venemo | htc makes industry waste. |
| 19:31.18 | Venemo | I wouldn't call what they make "phones" |
| 19:31.30 | MohammadAG | So does nokia tbh |
| 19:31.32 | Macer | yeah. they are horrible devices |
| 19:31.45 | Macer | hey! n900 is a solid phone |
| 19:31.52 | Macer | minus the usb ports |
| 19:31.55 | Macer | :) |
| 19:32.42 | MohammadAG | Ios kernel panic, yay |
| 19:32.45 | luke-jr | except it isn't a phone |
| 19:33.03 | Macer | omg |
| 19:33.05 | MohammadAG | Windows phone is industry waste |
| 19:33.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: how does it look btw? |
| 19:33.12 | Macer | go back to gentoo |
| 19:33.13 | luke-jr | Macer: I'm going to quote you when Nokia sends you an E7 to replace your broken N900 |
| 19:33.14 | javispedro | (the panic) |
| 19:33.15 | Macer | lol |
| 19:33.28 | MohammadAG | javispedro: It reboots |
| 19:33.28 | luke-jr | Macer: if N900 is a phone, E7 is a valid replacement |
| 19:33.38 | javispedro | MohammadAG: bah, cowards. |
| 19:33.47 | Macer | luke-jr: maybe mine is a better build quality.. it is made in finland ;) |
| 19:33.50 | MohammadAG | javispedro: You get a log somewhere |
| 19:33.52 | Macer | luke-jr: they do |
| 19:34.00 | MohammadAG | Lemme find it |
| 19:34.01 | Macer | n900s are replaced with e7s |
| 19:34.06 | luke-jr | Macer: people who insist N900 is not a phone, get fixed N900s back ;) |
| 19:34.15 | Macer | lmao! |
| 19:34.16 | MohammadAG | Btw, i'm amazed how many threads the ui has |
| 19:34.19 | Macer | fair enough |
| 19:34.20 | MohammadAG | Over 26 i think |
| 19:34.27 | MohammadAG | Not sure how they debug that shit |
| 19:34.31 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you need to enable logging via XCode for that |
| 19:34.34 | Macer | i get your point |
| 19:34.40 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: For what |
| 19:34.47 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: panic logs |
| 19:34.49 | MohammadAG | No mac = no xcode |
| 19:34.52 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: No |
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| 19:35.49 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: there was something like that, and in a panic its a spinning wheel and reboot |
| 19:36.12 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Yeah, thats what happened |
| 19:36.22 | MohammadAG | I restarted springboard, it kept spinning and rebooted |
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| 19:38.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xxQj6MKz |
| 19:39.16 | javispedro | "incident". genius. |
| 19:39.58 | javispedro | secure boot?: NO hmpf? |
| 19:40.20 | MohammadAG | Tethered jailbreak boot |
| 19:40.55 | hiemanshu | I had a 3GS verbose boot, and screwed around with it enough to get a lot of stuff |
| 19:41.18 | MohammadAG | iOS is a fun hacking platform |
| 19:41.24 | MohammadAG | If fun is going mad |
| 19:42.06 | hiemanshu | I crashed it millions of times, something malf's, reboot |
| 19:43.46 | MohammadAG | Ive been thinking |
| 19:43.59 | MohammadAG | If pocketsphinx ran well on the N810 |
| 19:44.08 | MohammadAG | It'll run even better on the n900 |
| 19:44.34 | MohammadAG | Why don't we write a siri equivalent? |
| 19:44.40 | MohammadAG | Without online processing |
| 19:45.02 | javispedro | PocketSphinx's accuracy has been 0% for me |
| 19:45.09 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 19:45.17 | MohammadAG | It works fine on the iphone |
| 19:45.33 | javispedro | which model do they use, do you know? |
| 19:45.48 | MohammadAG | Nope |
| 19:45.50 | MohammadAG | Sec |
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| 19:48.17 | MohammadAG | javispedro: http://www.handsfreecontrol.com/Credits.html |
| 19:52.39 | javispedro | no idea |
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| 22:26.55 | AminCX | hi everybody, i have some problems with flashing, its still on "Finishing flashing... done" and there is no "CMT flashed successfully" for about half hour ! please help me here . |
| 22:27.59 | psycho_oreos | which OS are you running on your computer and what was your command line? |
| 22:29.44 | AminCX | maemo, n900 and i'm flashing with this : "D:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F "D:\Documents and Settings\Amin\My Documents\Downloads\Music\RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" -f" |
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| 22:29.58 | AminCX | xp sp3 |
| 22:30.43 | psycho_oreos | have you flashed the eMMC before you flashed using that parameter? |
| 22:31.01 | AminCX | yes i did that and it was successfull |
| 22:31.10 | AminCX | this file : "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 22:31.51 | AminCX | and i'm flashing because of the no imei problem and the "all telephony functions are disabled due to ..." message . |
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| 22:33.03 | psycho_oreos | so when you flashed the fiasco (which is what you flash after you did the eMMC) you weren't returned to prompt? |
| 22:33.26 | psycho_oreos | did your N900 say anything on the screen? |
| 22:34.14 | AminCX | yes it's still on "Finishing flashing... done" and no there is no message on the phone and the screen is black , the led is still yellow . |
| 22:34.46 | psycho_oreos | I think your device (N900) might have ran out of power before flasher could finish its operation |
| 22:36.07 | AminCX | no it's almost full of charge or at least 80% percent . i tried several times and that's it. i event tried other version "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" |
| 22:36.12 | psycho_oreos | I'm not familiar with flashing under windows but I'm sure N900 is not meant to dim screen and show yellow/amber LED. During the entire flashing operation (especially without -R specified) your device should still display Nokia screen |
| 22:36.42 | AminCX | yes it's showing Nokia screen . |
| 22:36.53 | beford | http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/25/researchers-put-smartphones-on-a-power-diet-drastically-improve/ |
| 22:36.59 | psycho_oreos | and backlight should be constantly on as well |
| 22:37.05 | beford | n900 still in the news :o |
| 22:37.46 | psycho_oreos | beford, goes to show that a geeks toy is still loved by researchers :) |
| 22:37.50 | AminCX | no the backlight is not on . |
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| 22:38.36 | psycho_oreos | AminCX, which is why I find it weird, though like I said that I never flashed my N900 under windows before.. My bet is to unplug the USB and try rebooting the N900 see if it loads up properly |
| 22:39.32 | AminCX | yes it loads up, but the error is still : "All telephony functions are disabled due to ..." and no IMEI ! |
| 22:41.45 | AminCX | someone told me its because of something like RPL and ..., do you know anything about that ? |
| 22:44.34 | Sicelo | AminCX: u can try a debian-based livecd.. eg ubuntu, knoppix |
| 22:45.41 | AminCX | do you think that will work ? i mean Linux vs Windows, is it differ enough ? |
| 22:46.34 | Sicelo | ~flashing |
| 22:46.34 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 22:47.31 | psycho_oreos | I personally use linux here myself. I find that linux doesn't start autoprobing and asking for drivers if the drivers are not there. In other words, its more well behaved than with windows where you have to go around disabling new hardwares being detected |
| 22:47.53 | psycho_oreos | plus you can enable R&D mode with linux based flasher |
| 22:47.59 | Macer | well.. i have to admit |
| 22:48.04 | Macer | this synology is awesome |
| 22:48.05 | Macer | :) |
| 22:50.37 | AminCX | so it worst the shot ! i think i have an ubuntu in my virtual pc . gonna test that, but about RPL, nothing at all ? |
| 22:51.09 | psycho_oreos | you might be able to get away with using linux under VM if you want to retain windows. Though using VM is not ideal as if the USB passthrough mode isn't clean it may cause issues |
| 22:51.39 | Sicelo | ~rpl |
| 22:51.39 | infobot | Multi-file recursive string replacement. URL: http://www.laffeycomputer.com/software.html |
| 22:51.47 | Sicelo | heh |
| 22:54.14 | AminCX | I'm a debian administrator, but just ssh and command line , so i have to learn ! I'm gonna download the ubuntu |
| 22:54.24 | psycho_oreos | no IMEI could mean issues with cal |
| 22:54.36 | AminCX | cal ? |
| 22:55.17 | psycho_oreos | not sure what the abbreviation stands for but it deals with the critical part of the device, it manages modes like R&D for instances |
| 22:55.39 | AminCX | i think there is connection between hanging on that line and the no imei problem, maybe i finally figure it out ! |
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| 22:57.30 | Sicelo | i also didn't have imei when i got my n900. simple reflash solved that |
| 22:57.54 | psycho_oreos | was your N900 brand new when you saw it didn't have IMEI? |
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| 22:58.32 | AminCX | what do you mean exactly ? |
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| 22:59.37 | psycho_oreos | I was asking Sicelo, in my case, none of my N900s have no IMEI. One was bought brand new and the other two are second hands |
| 23:00.05 | Sicelo | yes. 100% new. PR1.1 |
| 23:00.24 | AminCX | i think i bought it about 12-15 month ago . |
| 23:00.34 | AminCX | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 |
| 23:00.51 | psycho_oreos | weird, at the time when I had my N900 brand new, it would have also been PR1.1 or thereabouts |
| 23:01.10 | AminCX | i think it was p1.1 |
| 23:01.13 | psycho_oreos | slightly older revision |
| 23:03.17 | AminCX | i love this device, and i think n9 gonna be better, unfortunately there is no guaranty on my n900 and there is no authorized repair service in the town neither ! |
| 23:03.55 | Sicelo | u don't need that AminCX :) |
| 23:04.05 | psycho_oreos | eww.. N9 |
| 23:04.14 | Sicelo | they'll just give u a shiny new E7 |
| 23:04.25 | psycho_oreos | or even a N8 |
| 23:05.02 | AminCX | no no no there is no change warranty in my area ! I'm in the hell here :d |
| 23:06.02 | Sicelo | AminCX: your n900 isn't dead/bricked, so no need for any warranty related things |
| 23:07.01 | psycho_oreos | though at this point in time, he won't have any cellular functionality |
| 23:07.36 | psycho_oreos | in other words, his N900 would probably be as good as its predecessors |
| 23:08.00 | psycho_oreos | AminCX, so what's the progress on flashing it using linux? |
| 23:08.24 | AminCX | any way it's gonna kill me, imagine a big phone like n900 and a little other one like 1102 in my little pocket ! N900 for awesomeness and other one for using as Phone ! |
| 23:09.04 | psycho_oreos | more like N900 being an internet tablet rather than a big phone |
| 23:09.08 | AminCX | i'm downloading latest version of ubuntu, |
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| 23:11.05 | psycho_oreos | I still don't know why would N900 all of the sudden loses connectivity to the cellular network. It could be anything from a faulty board to maybe dirty contacts or even possibly swapping SIM cards out constantly |
| 23:11.16 | AminCX | about phone stuff, everybody wants everything in a little shiny smartphone, and i'm a developer too, so i want a stylish advanced smartphone that do all the stuff like playing calling messaging and programs ... |
| 23:12.56 | Sicelo | tracker waking up cpu too frequently :( |
| 23:13.01 | AminCX | i have a theory, there is little battery on the board, is that related to GSM module ? cause i think every time it's out of charge the problem comes up, maybe it's very silly . |
| 23:13.29 | psycho_oreos | I hate to own a smartphone with a smaller screen.. it seems already I have grown accustomed to N900's screen.. web browsing is already difficult as it is and any downsizing would mean I need to zoom into pages more and more |
| 23:13.46 | psycho_oreos | no the battery is to keep dates and what not iinm |
| 23:13.57 | psycho_oreos | kinda like a CMOS battery on a normal computer |
| 23:14.18 | Macer | heh |
| 23:14.33 | Macer | the n900 has a secondary battery for that |
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| 23:14.59 | AminCX | yeah i know, and i see every time i pull out the battery and put it back it asks me the date/time , but before this problem it saves those things . |
| 23:15.06 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer pointed that out awhile ago, its a small cell battery iinm or cell shaped battery |
| 23:15.12 | Macer | my old n900s internal battery broke like that |
| 23:15.27 | Macer | and every time i pulled the battery it would ask for the time |
| 23:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | button cell |
| 23:15.51 | psycho_oreos | correction, button cell shaped :) |
| 23:16.29 | AminCX | so this is not related event a little ? |
| 23:16.35 | psycho_oreos | two of my N900 would constantly ask for date and time even if I momentarily dislodge the main battery. |
| 23:17.13 | psycho_oreos | heh hardware hackers like DocScrutinizer would probably know the best ;) |
| 23:17.14 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: how difficult is replacing it? have to solder? |
| 23:17.22 | psycho_oreos | or vi___, etc |
| 23:17.43 | Macer | i am watching enron: smartest guys in the room |
| 23:17.53 | Macer | the bandwidth idea was kind of good |
| 23:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: which related event? |
| 23:18.04 | Macer | they just didnt do it right |
| 23:18.24 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, something to do with no IMEI and cannot connect to cellular network |
| 23:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 23:18.34 | psycho_oreos | even the flashing mode (under windows) fails |
| 23:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | button cell backup battery is for realtime clock only |
| 23:18.53 | Macer | lol. that is a windows problem |
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| 23:19.26 | AminCX | do the small battery on the board related anyway to the GSM module, and cause the "all telephony functions are disabled due to ." ? |
| 23:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | and it'S notorious to break after like 9..12months of normal usage. So psycho_oreos observation is rather normal |
| 23:19.43 | psycho_oreos | so far most of us are assuming that it is windows problem, but only one way to tell is to get AminCX to flash using linux and to see if flashing also fails |
| 23:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: no |
| 23:20.29 | psycho_oreos | o.O |
| 23:20.46 | Macer | AminCX: i had the same problem flashing and fixed it by using my linux box |
| 23:21.17 | psycho_oreos | a few people on tmo board have opted to try and bend their pin contacts on the N900 in a bid to get the SIM card detected but the results came up as mixed, mostly no dice iinm |
| 23:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:21.54 | psycho_oreos | and I really wouldn't know what would cause no IMEI, even if flashing fails to restore it, cmt/cal is probably corrupt |
| 23:21.59 | psycho_oreos | err cal |
| 23:22.08 | AminCX | sure, i'm gonna do that but like i said i'm in the hell and the net line is a little slow here, for about 700MB i have to wait a hour . |
| 23:22.30 | psycho_oreos | AminCX, you could go for a minimal one lol, you don't need a full blown linux |
| 23:22.42 | psycho_oreos | surely you'd know that if you been a debian admin |
| 23:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | no IMEI is basically unrelated to SIM, at least should. Wait a blink.... |
| 23:23.22 | AminCX | its bb5 SLV3 is'nt it ? someone told me you have to buy RPL cause it's crashed and he was so sure ! |
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| 23:23.28 | SpeedEvil | yeah. IMEI is modem |
| 23:23.34 | psycho_oreos | yeah I also think that IMEI is definitely not related to SIM, its some other area on the device is either not storing or somehow the data is corrupted. IMSI is related to SIM however |
| 23:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | nah, even without any SIM my "about product" shows IMEI |
| 23:24.13 | psycho_oreos | my third N900 (without SIM) still shows IMEI, so yeah |
| 23:24.16 | AminCX | psycho_oreos: ouch it's 48% past the download :-D |
| 23:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | missing IMEI usually means your HW is defect |
| 23:24.31 | psycho_oreos | AminCX, oh well too late now, maybe you can keep that in mind next time |
| 23:25.02 | psycho_oreos | its funny if its a HW defect, Sicelo mentioned his N900 came without IMEI but he flashed it and IMEI started appearing |
| 23:25.03 | AminCX | psycho_oreos: i went to this and i wasn't so curios :-D http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download |
| 23:26.02 | psycho_oreos | AminCX, there's plenty of other distros out there, like slax, slitaz, puppylinux.. all there to minimise excessive downloads.. sure enough that ubuntu is probably somewhat well condoned here but :) |
| 23:26.42 | AminCX | somehow i love ubuntu style in GUI ! |
| 23:26.59 | psycho_oreos | is reminded about the current ones that feature unity |
| 23:27.06 | HyperSnyper | anyone know anything of this new 3G method that can "reduce power usage by 74%" is an n900 in pic > http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/25/researchers-put-smartphones-on-a-power-diet-drastically-improve/ |
| 23:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: usually flashing of cmt FW either works or fails but shouldn't break the IMEI readout. However there might be cases where reflashing COMBINED also reflashes cmt FW and thus fixes some glitch |
| 23:27.16 | AminCX | about the imei, i searched almost all of the web about my problems, and believe me there is no straight answer for it ! |
| 23:27.56 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ahh nice so I guess it could be the last hope for AminCX then :) in a bid to restore IMEI |
| 23:28.23 | Sicelo | the imei thing delayed my flashing, lol, as it's needed to download firmware. i was not so sure if sticker on my N900 was legit. i remember i even asked here on chan |
| 23:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | you can't rstore IMEI, but you can restore the software on modem that answers your query for IMEI |
| 23:28.58 | psycho_oreos | well my bad |
| 23:29.05 | AminCX | did i said that i dropped my n900 in the water ? of course on the ground and it was not much water( about 3 millimeters), and after that it was crashed, but after a week it goes well somehow ! |
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| 23:29.40 | Sicelo | fully agrees with DocScrutinizer. i did full flash.. not really for the imei thing.. just update to pr1.3, and imei 'magically' appeared |
| 23:29.51 | Sicelo | O.O |
| 23:30.01 | psycho_oreos | you should have informed us earlier about that.. maybe the water have damaged the device internally should you have not taken any actions to properly dry the device up |
| 23:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: say goodbye to your modem then |
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| 23:30.36 | psycho_oreos | if not to your modem, your wireless chipset would fail to work |
| 23:30.58 | AminCX | no no , i'm pretty sure it's not damaged, it was ok after a week, but suddenly now it's dead :( |
| 23:31.16 | psycho_oreos | two tmo threads I've encountered where their N900 were exposed to accidental liquid spills shows up errors with getting wireless to work |
| 23:31.20 | AminCX | the wireless chipset is completely ok . |
| 23:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah sure, because 1 week is simply not enough to dry the device, and corrosion by electrolysis goes on as long as you power the device. Eventually it breaks permanently |
| 23:32.20 | psycho_oreos | the bottom line is that as soon as your device was exposed to liquid (even if immersed), you should have quickly acted to properly dry the device up. |
| 23:33.02 | psycho_oreos | liquids also act as conductors, which can shorten the contacts on the board up when the device is in operation |
| 23:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | FIRST THING: remove batery |
| 23:33.36 | AminCX | i did those things, removed battery rice .... |
| 23:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | and don't dare to insert it before you dried the device for 2 weeks at a warm place |
| 23:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | rice is BS |
| 23:34.08 | bindi | how? |
| 23:34.13 | AminCX | oh no, just 24 hour and i turned it on . |
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| 23:34.49 | psycho_oreos | silca gel probably would have worked better but you still need to remove as much moisture as you can with a microfibre cloth |
| 23:34.59 | AminCX | it was 4 month a go, why now ?!:( |
| 23:35.24 | psycho_oreos | the whole N900 needs to be disassembled as well |
| 23:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | some of the balls of the chips may have suffered from corrosion and now on a random mechanical stress broke completely |
| 23:36.23 | AminCX | ouch, so i have to say goodbye to this one, yes ? |
| 23:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | try flashing it. if that doesn't help then alas yes, it's dead Jim |
| 23:36.58 | psycho_oreos | its not fully dead, it'll probably function without cellular connectivity.. maybe over time other functions may cease to act properly |
| 23:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:37.44 | psycho_oreos | sighs at another dead N900.. poor N900 |
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| 23:38.50 | AminCX | wow, it was so nice for me anyway, any time i needed anything n900 was for me, it was somehow meant for me, anything i needed was always there , in a little beautiful device, hhhhhh...... |
| 23:39.28 | psycho_oreos | you should have realised that nokia no longer manufactures N900 anymore, so you should protect your N900 even more |
| 23:40.01 | psycho_oreos | conductive liquids and electronics don't mix |
| 23:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | don't say that, see "does it blend" |
| 23:41.11 | AminCX | no the n900 is just a phone, mine is different for me, memories i have with it is not replacable ! anyway gone is gone. |
| 23:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | well, I hope you can make it work again, there'S a small chance it will resurrect on flashing COMBINED |
| 23:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | repair shops may try to hot-air resolder all the modem chips |
| 23:43.51 | AminCX | thank you all for the time you spend for me :) i will try again flashing with linux . and give you the results, after that the only way is repair services, thank you again ;) |
| 23:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | if you can't get it to full operation, then you might consider selling it to those looking for broken devices, and get yourself another working used one |
| 23:44.13 | psycho_oreos | backup your contents if you can |
| 23:44.32 | psycho_oreos | oh wait nevermind, you've already flashed eMMC |
| 23:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | oooh problems with flashing as well? |
| 23:44.42 | *** join/#maemo LaoLang_cool (~LaoLang_c@221.226.175.138) |
| 23:44.51 | psycho_oreos | yeah he had issues flashing the COMBINED |
| 23:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 23:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | log please |
| 23:45.11 | AminCX | yeah i'm a little disappointed here, but i will not loose my hope :) |
| 23:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: you can still use the device? |
| 23:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | like - get a xterm? |
| 23:46.22 | AminCX | yes i can, it's on. |
| 23:46.28 | AminCX | yes i can . |
| 23:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | do you have rootsh installed? |
| 23:46.44 | AminCX | not yet, i just flashed it . |
| 23:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | could you install rootsh? |
| 23:47.15 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/ixnkWUdC |
| 23:47.51 | AminCX | http://notepub.com/#fb=¬e=307093 |
| 23:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:48.39 | Sicelo | what's that AminCX? |
| 23:48.48 | AminCX | flashing log ? |
| 23:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | AminCX: please try the global version, local versions are known to sometimes cause exactly the problems you are facing, I.E. fsckup modem |
| 23:49.21 | AminCX | in hang on this line :Finishing flashing... done |
| 23:49.36 | AminCX | ok |
| 23:49.39 | AminCX | i'm on it |
| 23:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | esp the US version, dunno what your 003 version is |
| 23:50.24 | Sicelo | is curious to know what DocScrutinizer suggests after 'rootsh' |
| 23:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd |
| 23:50.39 | Sicelo | :) |
| 23:51.34 | *** join/#maemo koo1 (~koo@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz) |
| 23:52.04 | psycho_oreos | or you could just enable R&D and use sudo gainroot |
| 23:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 23:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | rrrright |
| 23:52.19 | psycho_oreos | that's if you ran linux and used linux flasher :D |
| 23:52.24 | Sicelo | btw what is imei there? i only remember +cimi |
| 23:53.00 | *** part/#maemo Jooles_ (~Jooles@5ad47ede.bb.sky.com) |
| 23:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | ati1 ;-) |
| 23:53.16 | psycho_oreos | eh? |
| 23:53.17 | AminCX | just in 20 minutes the ubuntu will run . |
| 23:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | ATI1 |
| 23:54.29 | Sicelo | thanks |
| 23:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | or AT+CGSN |
| 23:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | Get Serial Nuimber |
| 23:56.23 | Sicelo | ah, yeah, that's the one i'm more familiar with :P |
| 23:56.41 | *** join/#maemo ghostcube (~ghost@unaffiliated/ghostcube) |
| 23:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | atiN are funny |
| 23:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | ati2 esp |
| 23:57.21 | Sicelo | what does it do? |
| 23:57.36 | SpeedEvil | It reports info about the modem. |
| 23:57.50 | SpeedEvil | Including the text of your last phonecalls. |
| 23:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | yep, I like Info |
| 23:57.53 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| 23:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | ATI is ancient basics, ATI2 etc extended |
| 23:58.42 | Sicelo | wow.. nice. (nothing about phone calls though) |
| 23:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | there's ATI(0),1,2,3 the rest is null functions on this modem |