| 00:05.00 | Macer | i disconnected my big server and have just the synology |
| 00:05.13 | Macer | and apparently the ups can keep it powered for 4000+ seconds |
| 00:05.29 | Macer | i'm running off the ups just to see how well it does |
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| 02:04.09 | merlin1991 | my disk is running out of space, or rather ran out of space while compiling qt |
| 02:04.17 | merlin1991 | and I'm pretty sure I did compile that not so long ago |
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| 02:06.51 | mgedmin | cache? well, apt has caches, so if you apt-get installed a bunch of stuff, run apt-cache clean |
| 02:07.22 | mgedmin | 'make clean' in the directory where you built qt will also clean a lot of stuff -- though it can also clean the deliverables, so watch out if you haven't packaged them/installed them somewhere |
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| 02:41.00 | merlin1991 | just fired up filelight trying to figure out where the hell my deskspace went to |
| 02:41.10 | merlin1991 | 500000 files and still counting |
| 02:41.34 | merlin1991 | oh 1,5 m it was |
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| 02:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | WTF :-o |
| 02:54.55 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I figured out where my diskspace went |
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| 02:55.06 | merlin1991 | in /scratchbox/user/$USER/var/tmp |
| 02:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 02:55.21 | merlin1991 | there were 2 folders with some random name, each 2.3 gigs |
| 02:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | *cough*!!!!! |
| 02:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 02:56.20 | infobot | good coffee |
| 02:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
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| 02:56.50 | merlin1991 | now compliling qt again |
| 02:57.07 | merlin1991 | but this time with 10 gigs of free space for a start :) |
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| 08:01.10 | ShadowJK | just saw a Nokia 700 (Belle) |
| 08:01.20 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 08:01.42 | ShadowJK | I find it hard to believe people can actually use those |
| 08:02.03 | ShadowJK | nail doesn't work on on screen keyboard, and thumb covers like a quarter of the keyboard, so it's kinda random what you hit |
| 08:02.22 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 08:02.41 | SpeedEvil | wonders about conductive nail-polish. |
| 08:03.30 | ShadowJK | Also it has the "omg messy" impression of symbian :) |
| 08:03.51 | ShadowJK | but that's mostly due to shitload of preinstalled apps, all of ovi store preinstalled I think |
| 08:04.39 | SpeedEvil | imagines android installing all of android store. |
| 08:05.05 | SpeedEvil | Several terabytes of flash, and it'll max out gigE with the malware. |
| 08:05.14 | ShadowJK | wonders where the podcast app from Symbian 3rdedfp2 has vanished |
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| 08:05.24 | ShadowJK | it was quite nice |
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| 08:24.30 | vi___ | wait I don't get it |
| 08:24.39 | vi___ | I thought symbian was burning? |
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| 09:29.28 | jargon- | i still cannot download the CSSU update to my n900. anybody else with this problem or a fix? |
| 09:30.16 | psycho_oreos | what error does it produce? requires you to use PC-Suite to update? |
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| 09:31.19 | jargon- | it doesn't ask for the pc-suite. let me try again so i can get the exact error and post it in here |
| 09:32.00 | psycho_oreos | if its more than three lines, use pastebin... don't paste it directly in here |
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| 09:33.23 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: the error: "Download von 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package' fehlgeschlagen. Erneut versuchen? <Ja>/<Nein>" |
| 09:33.53 | jargon- | in english: "Download of 'Maemo 5 CSSU' failed. Try again? <Yes>/<No>" |
| 09:33.57 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, ok that's German, and I know very little German.. let me guess its failed |
| 09:33.59 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 09:34.11 | jargon- | that's all i keep getting. since it was available for updating |
| 09:34.27 | psycho_oreos | hmm that's not very verbose, try checking the log if your HAM has that option |
| 09:34.33 | jargon- | it keeps failing at 36KB |
| 09:34.46 | jargon- | do u know where i can find the logs? |
| 09:35.20 | psycho_oreos | not in the filesystem but HAM itself does have a log viewer.. maybe not enabled by default though |
| 09:35.23 | jargon- | wait,i think i found them |
| 09:39.55 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: i've pasted the logs: http://dpaste.org/dp6bO/ |
| 09:40.11 | jargon- | i've also not been able to refresh the nokia repos, lately. |
| 09:40.54 | psycho_oreos | yeah don't worry about nokia repos pubkey, its an issue that has been trolling tmo threads for quite sometime |
| 09:41.24 | jargon- | ok |
| 09:44.20 | jargon- | trying with 3G |
| 09:48.01 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, are you able to paste this log on some other pastebin site? I cannot access dpaste.org |
| 09:48.53 | jargon- | failed on 3g with the same error. i'll paste on a different pastebin |
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| 09:49.57 | psycho_oreos | ta, that would be useful |
| 09:54.21 | jargon- | http://pastebin.ca/2095720 |
| 09:57.19 | psycho_oreos | looks like the lines 14, 22, 30, etc are showing up the exact result, maybe the proxy is not working or you needed to specify one hmm |
| 09:58.42 | jargon- | that's the weird thing. i don't see anything about that in my proxy logs. and it also fails with 3g which doesn't use our proxy |
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| 09:59.45 | psycho_oreos | so the log is from you using 3G right? |
| 10:00.18 | jonwil | would like to shoot the idiot that decided to hard-code the list of hardware keyboards on the N900 in a closed source hard-to-clone binary... |
| 10:01.06 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 10:01.10 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: no the log is for wlan |
| 10:01.15 | SpeedEvil | Probably harmattan too. |
| 10:01.25 | SpeedEvil | Which is where it's more important - as no hwkbd |
| 10:02.22 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: i just checked. the logs are the same for 3g |
| 10:02.24 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, so using the log from wlan, you have proxy server on the network? if that's the case then you should configure N900 to go through proxy server |
| 10:02.30 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, hmm weird |
| 10:02.57 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: the proxy on our lan is transparent. and the previous CSSU was no problem |
| 10:03.52 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, ahh so you have CSSU installed already, if that's the case you may want to give FAM a whirl |
| 10:04.57 | jonwil | At least on Harmattan the keyboard layouts are xml |
| 10:05.03 | jonwil | and can be easily edited |
| 10:05.43 | psycho_oreos | no hwkbd == huge fail imo.. and that's what made lankku |
| 10:06.08 | jonwil | lack of hwkbd is why I dont want a N9 |
| 10:06.58 | psycho_oreos | and I've already started loathing the N9, full of fail as Flop demanded |
| 10:07.31 | SpeedEvil | No hwkbd isn't inherent fail. |
| 10:07.44 | SpeedEvil | It depends on your usecase. |
| 10:08.18 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, say that when you don't own a N950 and your only option is to get a N9 :þ |
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| 10:09.37 | jonwil | As for harmattan, I think http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/m/meego-keyboard/ shows that the situation is much better |
| 10:09.47 | jonwil | Seems like the keyboard stuff is open source on that platform |
| 10:10.00 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Ah. |
| 10:10.02 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: what's FAM? |
| 10:10.22 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: But I'm unsure about BT keyboards - the most important usecase. |
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| 10:10.40 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, faster application manager, also known as fapman |
| 10:10.53 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: Me not getting a n9 (assuming I had cash) would not be due to lack of hwkbd. |
| 10:11.03 | jonwil | My guess is that all the actual bits for listening to key presses and responding to them are open source |
| 10:11.25 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: interesting name. i'll try that. |
| 10:11.28 | jonwil | so if you had a bluetooth kbd there is no reason you couldnt write backend glue to pass the BT KBD keypresses to the userspace |
| 10:11.31 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: But you can't load the bluetooth module bits. |
| 10:11.38 | jonwil | hmmm, good point |
| 10:11.41 | jonwil | forgot about ageis |
| 10:11.47 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, or that you couldn't even pair a bluetooth keyboard on N9? :) |
| 10:11.55 | jonwil | so does the n9 kernel not have bluetooth HID support |
| 10:12.00 | jonwil | thats what I am assuming then |
| 10:12.04 | jonwil | which is totally lame |
| 10:12.12 | psycho_oreos | its probably blocked by aegis |
| 10:12.20 | jonwil | Why would Nokia not want to support BT keyboards on the N9 anyway |
| 10:12.29 | psycho_oreos | you can't even copy and paste lines in terminal on N9.. which is even more lame |
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| 10:12.41 | jonwil | Or is that another part of the plan to cripple anything that is not Microshit? |
| 10:12.48 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: It's not that - it's that if it's not specified at design time, it gets left out. |
| 10:13.08 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: And being left out in this case - with aegis - can mean it's really hard to fix. |
| 10:13.22 | psycho_oreos | and they have all these firmware updates which fails to fix that bluetooth keyboard tethering issue yet to no avail.. |
| 10:13.28 | SpeedEvil | I do note that there have been claims that it should 'just work' if you replace the kernel. |
| 10:13.40 | SpeedEvil | But this wasn't jacekowski's experience, as aegisfs went RO. |
| 10:13.41 | psycho_oreos | no its more like nokia deliberately left it out |
| 10:13.54 | jonwil | if we can install our own kernel on the N9, cant we install one that lies to the userspace layer and pretends that everything is fine? |
| 10:16.27 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 10:16.34 | jacekowski | i don't have any phone with aegis |
| 10:16.37 | vi___ | n9 == industrial grade fail. |
| 10:16.44 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 10:16.46 | jonwil | and then we replace userspace blobs as necessary with other blobs that again lie to the rest of the system |
| 10:16.52 | SpeedEvil | becomes confused. |
| 10:17.00 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It was clearly your evil twin. |
| 10:17.02 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 10:17.08 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK, I think I meant. |
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| 10:18.37 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: fapman can't seem to get passed the nokia repo errors |
| 10:19.01 | jargon- | i click on 'Update catalogs' and 'Upgrade applications' |
| 10:19.06 | vi___ | just drop to xterm and take it from there... |
| 10:19.07 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, weird, try disabling those nokia repos momentarily |
| 10:19.22 | vi___ | then we will get an error message. |
| 10:19.51 | vi___ | jargon-: can you ssh into your n900? |
| 10:20.28 | jargon- | vi___: yes |
| 10:21.25 | vi___ | then ssh in, apt-get update, paste result. |
| 10:21.37 | vi___ | (in pastebin) |
| 10:24.16 | jargon- | vi___: no errors after commenting out the nokia repos in sources.list.d/hild..lst but still getting error in fapman |
| 10:24.28 | jargon- | is there a way to update the CSSU in terminal? |
| 10:28.00 | SpeedEvil | Free Pi! |
| 10:28.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/369 |
| 10:28.11 | SpeedEvil | (for Qt dev) |
| 10:28.43 | jargon- | Maemo-extras devel fails too |
| 10:32.24 | psycho_oreos | that sounds like issues with connectivity imo |
| 10:32.42 | psycho_oreos | are you able to try other methods of networking? like USB networking or bluetooth networking? |
| 10:34.10 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: apt-get upgrade is actually trying to DOWNGRADE :-/ |
| 10:34.18 | jargon- | http://pastebin.ca/2095740 |
| 10:35.31 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, I personally would never go down the upgrade path, let alone dist-upgrade |
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| 10:36.41 | jargon- | so what do i do? |
| 10:37.07 | psycho_oreos | try what I said, use alternative methods of connecting to internet, i.e. via USB networking or bluetooth |
| 10:37.36 | SpeedEvil | Smoke-signals. |
| 10:38.11 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: looking into USB now |
| 10:38.18 | jargon- | will let u know how it goes |
| 10:38.40 | vi___ | apt-get UPDATE ffs |
| 10:38.52 | vi___ | dont use apt-get upgrade on the n900 |
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| 10:39.11 | psycho_oreos | yeah I've told him to avoid that |
| 10:39.27 | vi___ | do apt-get update and post to pastebin |
| 10:39.40 | vi___ | actually apt-get install pastebinit |
| 10:39.48 | vi___ | then: |
| 10:40.06 | jargon- | vi___: i did apt-get update and it showed no errors |
| 10:40.29 | vi___ | apt-get update > /opt/tmp && pastebinit /opt/tmp |
| 10:40.49 | jargon- | 11:24:15 < jargon-> vi___: no errors after commenting out the nokia repos in sources.list.d/hild..lst but still getting error in fapman |
| 10:42.07 | vi___ | the best way to fix fapman is to delete all repos from fapman, update in HAM. If all goes well, tell fapman to re-import catalogues then update fapman again. |
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| 10:45.36 | jargon- | vi___: trying that now |
| 10:45.47 | jargon- | HAM update failed |
| 10:46.10 | vi___ | so, ham update fails and apt-get update passes? |
| 10:46.19 | jargon- | yes |
| 10:46.31 | jargon- | wait hold on |
| 10:47.03 | jargon- | i just noticed commenting out repos in terminal is ignored by HAM. had to deactivate them again in HAM itself |
| 10:47.06 | jargon- | trying again |
| 10:47.26 | vi___ | derp |
| 10:47.36 | vi___ | ham does not use sources.list properly |
| 10:47.47 | jargon- | so it seems |
| 10:49.53 | jargon- | ok i deactivated the nokia and ovi repos. updated HAM and now it no longer lists CSSU as available for updating |
| 10:50.27 | vi___ | So what wierd out of repo shit have you been installing? |
| 10:50.58 | jargon- | oddly enough, maemo-extras devel now updates fine |
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| 10:51.33 | jargon- | wow this is weird. hang on |
| 10:51.52 | jargon- | i think it's seeing the CSSU update as available |
| 10:51.58 | psycho_oreos | I am still betting on connectivity issue |
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| 10:52.22 | vi___ | Il bet it was this |
| 10:52.29 | vi___ | ~seen x-fade |
| 10:52.34 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (11h 33m 4s) #harmattan (11h 33m 4s) #meego (11h 33m 4s), last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. |
| 10:52.34 | vi___ | ~seen xfade |
| 10:52.34 | infobot | xfade <~xfade@217.67.237.13> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 616d 19h 53m 58s ago, saying: 'lcuk: Can you vote onedotzero down in the qa queue? The app will obviously not be promoted to extras as the bugtracker link is missing.'. |
| 10:52.45 | vi___ | last said: 'I want it as much |
| 10:52.47 | vi___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.03 | jargon- | what's xfade? |
| 10:53.17 | psycho_oreos | a user |
| 10:53.19 | Sicelo | heh |
| 10:53.23 | jargon- | oh |
| 10:53.25 | vi___ | xfade is the shadowy under figure behind this whole seedy crime syndicate |
| 10:53.35 | vi___ | he pulls the strings |
| 10:53.48 | vi___ | masquerades the subtletys |
| 10:53.52 | jargon- | is he dangerous? |
| 10:53.57 | lardman | very |
| 10:54.04 | lardman | the tall ones often are |
| 10:54.10 | vi___ | and generally steers the destiny of maemo as only has grand master plan would have it |
| 10:54.36 | jargon- | ok ham's seeing the CSSU and *now* it wants me to do the update via PC Suite....weirdness++ |
| 10:54.39 | vi___ | He rarely interferes in the actiuons of mortal 'user' men. |
| 10:55.20 | psycho_oreos | jargon-, its dependency error |
| 10:55.37 | psycho_oreos | check problems/errors tab |
| 10:55.55 | vi___ | jargon-: you are getting close... |
| 10:57.02 | jargon- | i can even feel my nipples tingling,so i *must* be getting close |
| 10:59.14 | jargon- | or not... |
| 10:59.16 | jargon- | hmm |
| 11:00.47 | jargon- | so how do i know whether or not i'm in pc-suite mode? |
| 11:01.27 | psycho_oreos | you don't need pc-suite to update CSSU, if you require pc-suite to update CSSU, you have dependency issue |
| 11:02.38 | jargon- | damnit |
| 11:03.31 | jargon- | how do i find out which dependencies are the issue? |
| 11:04.19 | psycho_oreos | I've pointed that too out above.. check problems/errors tab |
| 11:04.43 | jargon- | what problems/errors tab?' |
| 11:05.36 | psycho_oreos | under HAM when you click on the package, you go into Details and you should see all these tabs for the Application details |
| 11:05.59 | jargon- | aah that one. ok |
| 11:07.27 | jargon- | trying fapman and it's talking about pinned pkgs |
| 11:07.48 | jargon- | i did pin pkgs a while ago... |
| 11:08.32 | jargon- | can't remember which ones and why, though |
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| 11:11.39 | jargon- | i think this is what i pinned: http://pastebin.ca/2095791 |
| 11:11.41 | jargon- | 1..2..3 |
| 11:11.52 | psycho_oreos | ugh, seriously this pisses me off, I wonder what exactly is preventing the device go into bootmenu, its definitely hardware issue but I wouldn't know exactly what |
| 11:12.32 | jargon- | bootmenu? |
| 11:13.11 | psycho_oreos | lines 10-12 of that pastebin would probably be the reason why it would prevent CSSU from updating |
| 11:13.39 | psycho_oreos | fanoush's bootmenu, its used by backupmenu by robbiethe1st for instance |
| 11:13.51 | psycho_oreos | now typing that out I might have an idea |
| 11:15.17 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: i'm trying to remember why i pinned them. i know it was related to adding the maemo-extras devel repo,but i can't remember what i installed from that repo |
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| 11:24.26 | vi___ | cat /etc/apt/preferances |
| 11:24.39 | vi___ | cat /etc/apt/preferences |
| 11:25.26 | jargon- | Package: * |
| 11:25.27 | jargon- | Pin: release l=Extras |
| 11:25.27 | jargon- | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 11:25.54 | jargon- | so pin everything in extras? is that what it says? |
| 11:26.05 | vi___ | lolwut |
| 11:26.13 | vi___ | is that is what is in preferences? |
| 11:26.28 | jargon- | yeah |
| 11:26.33 | psycho_oreos | that only applies for extras-devel :þ |
| 11:26.40 | vi___ | you wanted to downgrade from dev-extras to stable? |
| 11:26.41 | jargon- | i remember following instructions from the wiki |
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| 11:27.11 | jargon- | no,i needed extras-devel for a pkg,recently. can't remember which one, tho |
| 11:27.24 | jargon- | so i'm looking thru the pkgs trying to figure out which one it was |
| 11:28.00 | vi___ | rm /etc/preferences |
| 11:28.06 | vi___ | then try everything again |
| 11:28.14 | vi___ | extras-dev is fine |
| 11:28.27 | vi___ | we just say it will assplode your device to frighten the noobz away |
| 11:28.30 | jargon- | ok |
| 11:28.42 | jargon- | worked for me. frighten the poop out of me |
| 11:28.59 | vi___ | the very fact you are modifying preferences implies you have a little more savvy |
| 11:29.29 | vi___ | Although there is some badly made stuff in there that will make your n900 go bananas it is pretty uncommon |
| 11:29.43 | jargon- | i'm new around smartphones,so i'm treading very carefully |
| 11:29.54 | vi___ | and if there is a rogue application, you will probably hear about it through word of mouth. |
| 11:30.02 | vi___ | Are you new to linux? |
| 11:30.05 | psycho_oreos | this is why backups are very important, and having backupmenu is literally a godsend for almost everything |
| 11:30.13 | jargon- | no not new to linux |
| 11:30.38 | vi___ | phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone |
| 11:30.50 | vi___ | s/>/< |
| 11:30.56 | vi___ | /s/>/< |
| 11:31.00 | vi___ | /s/>/</ |
| 11:31.02 | vi___ | s/>/</ |
| 11:31.05 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 11:31.06 | vi___ | BAH |
| 11:31.07 | Sicelo | P |
| 11:31.16 | vi___ | phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone |
| 11:31.17 | psycho_oreos | pebkac |
| 11:31.20 | vi___ | phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone |
| 11:31.24 | vi___ | s/>/</ |
| 11:31.37 | psycho_oreos | !cookie |
| 11:31.39 | vi___ | f'it |
| 11:31.39 | jargon- | gimme a minute. almost accidentally castrated myself. suboptimal boxers and bad seating posture conspire to put me in a world of excruciating and wholly unnecessary pain |
| 11:31.52 | psycho_oreos | phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone |
| 11:32.00 | psycho_oreos | s/>/</g |
| 11:32.04 | vi___ | the point is this is not a smart phone |
| 11:32.12 | vi___ | in fact as a phone it is pretty lousy |
| 11:32.33 | jargon- | damnit. it's still asking for pc-suite |
| 11:33.10 | jargon- | and it's now listing a bunch of other apps for updating. since i remove /etc/apt/preferences, i guess |
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| 11:33.26 | psycho_oreos | !botsnack |
| 11:33.38 | psycho_oreos | ~botsnack |
| 11:33.38 | infobot | :), psycho_oreos |
| 11:34.16 | vi___ | ok |
| 11:34.20 | vi___ | go back to HAM |
| 11:34.25 | vi___ | re-enable all the repos |
| 11:34.27 | vi___ | update |
| 11:34.30 | vi___ | the upgrade |
| 11:34.37 | vi___ | (all through HAM) |
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| 11:35.07 | jargon- | ok |
| 11:35.14 | vi___ | You have a backup right? |
| 11:35.20 | jargon- | two |
| 11:35.24 | vi___ | Godd job |
| 11:35.32 | vi___ | s/godd/good/ |
| 11:35.49 | vi___ | ffs |
| 11:35.57 | psycho_oreos | s/Godd/Good/ |
| 11:36.04 | psycho_oreos | too bad its per user regexp |
| 11:36.18 | vi___ | I always liked gim select all |
| 11:36.28 | vi___ | :ggVG |
| 11:36.35 | vi___ | :go go VIM go! |
| 11:37.02 | vi___ | CHrist my typing is awful right now. |
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| 11:38.36 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: did you install kernel poer 49 yet? |
| 11:38.49 | vi___ | s/poer/power/ |
| 11:39.05 | jargon- | nokia repos still failing and it's still asking for pc-suite |
| 11:39.09 | psycho_oreos | vi___, I have on all three of my N900 |
| 11:39.21 | vi___ | uboot? |
| 11:39.41 | psycho_oreos | no, just stock bootloader with fanoush bootmenu |
| 11:39.58 | vi___ | jargon-: think very carefully, what else apt wise have you buggered around with? |
| 11:40.19 | vi___ | also just disable nokia repo |
| 11:40.25 | vi___ | it is full of fail |
| 11:40.31 | vi___ | the update |
| 11:40.53 | vi___ | have you enabled smart reflex@900MHz yet? |
| 11:41.12 | jargon- | i'm trying hard to remember. the only thing i can come up with is the pinning. but i can't remember what i pinned it for |
| 11:41.37 | psycho_oreos | grr... |
| 11:41.39 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 11:41.55 | vi___ | psycho, oh. You are one of them. |
| 11:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: pong |
| 11:43.11 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, do you happen to know if GPIO pins are documented on the schematics? or at least a way to fix this keyboard slider issue? |
| 11:43.34 | psycho_oreos | I've long last found the culprit on this third N900 |
| 11:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | GPIOs documented? in which way? |
| 11:43.50 | psycho_oreos | vi___, you meant not a fan of uboots and what not? ;) |
| 11:44.05 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, like maybe the way they are to be wired |
| 11:44.15 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: no, an overclocking h8ter. |
| 11:44.37 | psycho_oreos | dunno how to best phrase it because my third N900 is definitely not picking up keyboard slides |
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| 11:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sorry you lost me. Sure all "wires" to "GPIOs" are documented in schematics |
| 11:45.01 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: the physical contacts could possibly be worn out |
| 11:45.07 | psycho_oreos | vi___, not that I hate overclocking but on embedded devices like these I'm against it without adequate ventilation on the device |
| 11:45.26 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, hmm guess I'll have to dig it up and research myself |
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| 11:45.41 | psycho_oreos | vi___, yeah but not sure where I'd start, I guess schematics is the only way to go |
| 11:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | what do you wanna know? |
| 11:46.05 | vi___ | The keyboard slide is just a pair of springs that contact on the PCB when the KB is open |
| 11:46.07 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, to put it simply, my third N900 doesn't detect keyboard sliding in and out.. that prevents me from loading up backupmenu which is a real PITA |
| 11:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: BS |
| 11:46.39 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: orly, well I guess I cannot remember then |
| 11:46.42 | psycho_oreos | and I'm trying to see if I could fix it or get someone to fix it |
| 11:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 the kbd slide is a reed or hall |
| 11:47.06 | psycho_oreos | I've narrowed it down to GPIO 71 being not outputting anything |
| 11:47.35 | psycho_oreos | hmm now that confuses me lol.. ok time to dig up schematics |
| 11:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: check if the magnet is still there on screen half |
| 11:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | I heard of at least 2 cases where it got loose |
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| 11:49.11 | vi___ | seach google for a file called: |
| 11:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | it should be next to I,O keys of kbd iirc |
| 11:49.15 | vi___ | N900_RX-51_SM_L3_4.pdf |
| 11:49.18 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, and this is without taking the N900 apart in any way shape or form right? out of curiousity because I definitely cannot see it |
| 11:49.22 | psycho_oreos | ahh! |
| 11:49.27 | vi___ | it is the l3-4 service manual. |
| 11:49.29 | psycho_oreos | vi___, yeah I got those |
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| 11:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | and L3_4 doesn't have schematics |
| 11:50.23 | psycho_oreos | hmm I still can't see the magnet on any of my N900 |
| 11:50.34 | psycho_oreos | not on the keyboard |
| 11:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | you can't see it as it's permamnently covered by the kbd half |
| 11:50.55 | vi___ | service manual says 'check state change from R4809 by using external magnet" |
| 11:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 11:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | god asvice |
| 11:51.23 | vi___ | so go at it with a giant magnet and see if it does anything. |
| 11:51.24 | psycho_oreos | ok so I'll have to open the N900 |
| 11:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | advice |
| 11:51.34 | vi___ | Do the magnet thing first. |
| 11:51.37 | psycho_oreos | would a fridge magnet help? |
| 11:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 11:51.54 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: somthing beefier |
| 11:52.04 | vi___ | old hard drive magnet etc |
| 11:52.08 | psycho_oreos | crap.. I don't think I have any other magnets |
| 11:52.15 | vi___ | old speaker magnet? |
| 11:52.34 | psycho_oreos | hmm, I might have old speaker magnet somewhere |
| 11:52.45 | vi___ | battery+coil+metal rod? |
| 11:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | whiteboard magned, right lower corner of closed screen -> backlight comes up |
| 11:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | magnet |
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| 11:54.28 | vi___ | lol magnets, how do they work? |
| 11:54.55 | psycho_oreos | found old speaker magnet that was stuck on a fridge, hopefully that should be adequate |
| 11:55.12 | vi___ | do it, I am on the sedge of myt seat |
| 11:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaah you call this fridge magnet |
| 11:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 11:55.25 | psycho_oreos | no no |
| 11:55.26 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 11:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I used a fridge ,agnet and it worked |
| 11:56.10 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: is there access to i2c through those pads under the battery? |
| 11:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | a magnet thingy with a funny plastic hat that is used to "pin" papers to magnetic surfaces |
| 11:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: hah, good call |
| 11:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think so, but had to check thoroughly |
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| 11:58.08 | psycho_oreos | right lower corner of closed screen.. I tried that on of my N900, no response unless if have the magnet touching the screen :/ |
| 11:58.42 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: so does the magnet do anything? |
| 11:59.02 | psycho_oreos | vi___, it is actually working if I stuck it onto metal things lol |
| 11:59.17 | vi___ | ok, so your magnet swith thing is broken |
| 11:59.37 | psycho_oreos | I'm starting to get the hint I think, it seems like there is a response from touching near the bottom right of the screen |
| 11:59.49 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 11:59.57 | psycho_oreos | and dmesg also now proves it as well |
| 12:00.10 | vi___ | what you could do is set the /sys entry for the keyboard to permanently open |
| 12:00.15 | vi___ | then chmod 444 it |
| 12:00.33 | psycho_oreos | and that's well beyond my knowledge lol |
| 12:00.35 | vi___ | keyboard slide will do nothing however you can still lock/unlock the screen with the slider. |
| 12:00.48 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: nah, it is a 2 liner |
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| 12:01.12 | vi___ | I have a similar thing that lets me use the camera button when the screen is locked. |
| 12:01.29 | vi___ | camera button long press == skip track |
| 12:02.15 | vi___ | works through lock screen by preventing OS from 'disabling' it by changing write permissions of the /sys/blah/blah/blah/camera_button_disable |
| 12:02.25 | vi___ | file |
| 12:02.37 | vi___ | You can do the same on yours |
| 12:02.40 | Sicelo | seems to me it is as DocScrutinizer said. no magnet in your n900 psycho_oreos. not the 'magnet switch' |
| 12:03.48 | psycho_oreos | Sicelo, heh had that also pointed out by vi___ as well, and he has a fix in order which I'm looking into right now :) |
| 12:04.23 | Sicelo | guess i misunderstood him then :) |
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| 12:05.52 | psycho_oreos | vi___, its not gpio_switch is it? |
| 12:06.51 | psycho_oreos | Sicelo, different way to tackling the case, whichever works I'm grateful for fix lol.. this third N900 gave me the shits and I should have realised earlier |
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| 12:07.55 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.28 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: my suggestion will not enable BM for you... |
| 12:08.57 | psycho_oreos | vi___, bah! guess its back to hardware fix :| |
| 12:09.01 | vi___ | However a very small modification to bootmenu.sh would make it check for camera cover slide instead of keyboard |
| 12:09.23 | vi___ | does your camera cover work? |
| 12:09.25 | psycho_oreos | hmm I'll look into that |
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| 12:09.51 | psycho_oreos | yup it does |
| 12:10.04 | psycho_oreos | GPIO 110 was logged |
| 12:11.46 | vi___ | http://pastebin.com/Ga0CX1Ea |
| 12:11.54 | vi___ | look at line 358 |
| 12:12.05 | vi___ | it is /sbin/preinit |
| 12:12.57 | vi___ | change it to /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state |
| 12:13.04 | psycho_oreos | ah ha! thanks! |
| 12:13.21 | vi___ | then BM will launch from shutter_slide |
| 12:13.29 | vi___ | (i assume) |
| 12:13.46 | psycho_oreos | I can only test and hope :) |
| 12:13.55 | psycho_oreos | installing vim now on my N900 |
| 12:14.44 | vi___ | you don't have vim already??? |
| 12:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: what's wrong with getting a small magnet and glue it to where it belongs, in screen half's back |
| 12:14.50 | vi___ | How do you live each day? |
| 12:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 12:15.02 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: this is leass effort. |
| 12:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: PFFFF |
| 12:15.15 | vi___ | Geeks are notorious for less effort. |
| 12:15.46 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: although I agree with you. I cannot stand things in a poor state of repair. |
| 12:16.00 | vi___ | It gives me hives. |
| 12:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: btw your suggestion is mere BS, as BM is meant to pop up on **BOOT** |
| 12:16.23 | vi___ | wut? |
| 12:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | soory |
| 12:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-11-25 13:08:27] <vi___> psycho_oreos: my suggestion will not enable BM for you. <-- missed that |
| 12:17.07 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, hmm nothing wrong though I guess I'll need to do that sooner or later.. you reminded me of requiring to somehow duct tape the screen portion of the case protector onto the device itself. Maybe I could get away with cutting a small slice off a fridge magnet and sticking that down there |
| 12:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | probably |
| 12:17.57 | vi___ | Soooo, I2C under battery? |
| 12:18.00 | psycho_oreos | either way I guess I'll need to open the N900 so might as well lol.. I've opened it once so I won't hesitate |
| 12:18.25 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: just do it when you are opening to solder USB down. |
| 12:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: soooo, you got a needlebed tester for me? as otherwise no chance to check all possible permutations of 20 testpads vs 50 possible pins by hand in this amount of time |
| 12:19.14 | psycho_oreos | vi___, I don't have proper soldering tools for that :/ |
| 12:20.17 | vi___ | DocScrutinizer: Oh, I thought you would probably just ***know*** |
| 12:20.23 | vi___ | meh |
| 12:20.34 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: all you need is a hot iron |
| 12:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | to do what? |
| 12:21.25 | vi___ | I dunno, a compass or sonar or somthing wacky. |
| 12:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | aaah solder USB down |
| 12:21.53 | psycho_oreos | vi___, haha I'm not that confident :) |
| 12:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, coffee not yet kicking in |
| 12:22.13 | psycho_oreos | hmm I should really invest in a soldering/desoldering station :/ |
| 12:22.43 | vi___ | psycho_oreos: yes. Buy good, buy once, it will last you the rest of your life. |
| 12:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: soldering one side of USB down to PCB snugly isn't witchcraft |
| 12:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | but you should be experienced with soldering |
| 12:23.22 | psycho_oreos | vi___, heh still money either way |
| 12:23.34 | vi___ | tools are weaponised money |
| 12:23.38 | vi___ | twice as good! |
| 12:24.01 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, still something I need to learn amongst bazillion of other things :) |
| 12:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | for USB all you need is a cheap crappy 5$ soldering iron |
| 12:24.17 | psycho_oreos | vi___, and money doesn't come by easy these days |
| 12:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | but do *not* try to do it when you got no experience! |
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| 12:25.17 | vi___ | what is the sdcard slot driver called? |
| 12:25.28 | vi___ | blahblahblah.c |
| 12:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | to learn soldering, you need a 30$ good standard soldering iron (Weller, Ersa) and tiiiiiime |
| 12:25.48 | psycho_oreos | that's what I thought.. well at least with a proper soldering iron (maybe not a $5 one though) I could do some other things that I was meant to do but never got around to doing it.. so I'll do that and then I'll work on my N900 :) |
| 12:26.21 | psycho_oreos | vi___, huge success with cam_shutter! big thanks! |
| 12:26.27 | vi___ | NP |
| 12:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | and lots of protoboard PCB (the one with lots of holes and pads) to practice soldering plain wires to it |
| 12:26.40 | psycho_oreos | bah |
| 12:26.57 | psycho_oreos | time to raid local electronics shop me reckons ;) |
| 12:27.01 | vi___ | Just and click 'thanks' on every forum post I have ever made so people will continue to think I am an important voice. |
| 12:27.25 | psycho_oreos | you have over 1000 posts, as if I'll go through all that :þ |
| 12:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: get sth ~30W |
| 12:27.39 | vi___ | Why doesnt sarcasm work online? |
| 12:27.49 | vi___ | ~20 MINIMUM |
| 12:27.53 | vi___ | ~30 MINIMUM |
| 12:28.00 | vi___ | hotter the better |
| 12:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | meh! |
| 12:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | you definitely don'T want to use a 60W iron on delicate electronics |
| 12:28.43 | vi___ | yeah you do... |
| 12:28.46 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, nah thinking about soldering/desoldering station which should provide all the nice tools and maybe even adjustable temp. though I'll check prices before laying money down.. at least if I solder incorrectly I could desolder it :D |
| 12:28.48 | vi___ | just stand further back. |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: a good one like that is 300$ |
| 12:29.19 | psycho_oreos | vi___, dunno, probably just tired from all the work this morning (in me timezone of course) |
| 12:29.34 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, yeah I figured it'll be couple of hundred easily |
| 12:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | so ten times the price of a good starter soldering iron |
| 12:30.03 | SpeedEvil | A good for several uses one is about $120. |
| 12:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | and you'll learn less |
| 12:30.11 | SpeedEvil | Soldering station + hot air. |
| 12:30.20 | SpeedEvil | Reliable enough if you don't use it much. |
| 12:30.21 | psycho_oreos | but still it'll last me and if I make a mistake I can desolder (well at least I hope lol) |
| 12:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: learn to desolder with braid, and vacuum pump for 5$ ! |
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| 12:31.36 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I dunno what that is but it sounds awfully hard lol |
| 12:31.38 | kwtm | Hi. Wow, just discovered the /etc/mce/mce.ini file (on N900). Lots of juicy settings here! |
| 12:31.57 | kwtm | Thanks for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1126539#post1126539 , DocScrutinizer! |
| 12:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | I promise for the first 1000+ solder joints you won't even bother desoldering anything |
| 12:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: there's a thanks-button over there ;-D |
| 12:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | yw anyway |
| 12:33.08 | kwtm | :) done |
| 12:33.57 | psycho_oreos | bah only time will tell when I'll need some desoldering work ;) |
| 12:34.28 | vi___ | how did you get 3 n900 anyway? |
| 12:34.29 | psycho_oreos | also thanks too for helping with solving this stupid keyboard slider issue.. in other words, thanks to both DocScrutinizer && vi___ |
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| 12:35.03 | psycho_oreos | I bought them over time, the first N900 is through contract, the second was when I was in HK and the third one was off tmo |
| 12:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: believe me you're better off learning desoldering the "hard way" by using cheap tools like desoldering braid and a fsckng-cheap one-shot vacuum pump (or simply blow the tin away like all pros do ;-D ) |
| 12:35.43 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, a flying shrapnel in my room == not nice :D |
| 12:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, did I already mention you're not supposed to do soldering on your Biedermayer table or over your flokati ? |
| 12:37.42 | vi___ | heh |
| 12:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | also you shouldn't try to solder when wearing your (nylon) best clothes, for the first 2 years ;-) |
| 12:37.56 | vi___ | I gotta get me another, I am down to 1. |
| 12:38.12 | vi___ | There is a guy selling one on gumtree in my city for£20... |
| 12:38.29 | vi___ | He says it is broken, however we all know this device is unbreakable, |
| 12:38.42 | psycho_oreos | I had to google what those two words were lol.. meine deutsche ist nicht gut! ^^ |
| 12:38.44 | vi___ | IS there some kind of stolem IMEI register I can look up? |
| 12:38.56 | psycho_oreos | not really :/ |
| 12:39.02 | psycho_oreos | well not that I know of |
| 12:39.10 | kwtm | for where it says in /etc/mce/mce.init, "PowerKeyDoubleAction=..." what is "softpoweroff" mode? Is that where screen turns off, but as soon as I touch it (or slide it open) it turns on again? (Not sure if anyone can answer this off the top of his head or whether I need to post this to tmo) |
| 12:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | err Biedermayer should be pretty international I thought |
| 12:39.54 | vi___ | AFAIK softpoweroff is not actually implemented... |
| 12:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | for Flokati I'm not even sure it's anyway related to German at all |
| 12:39.57 | psycho_oreos | well my vocabulary is pretty small then :D |
| 12:40.04 | kwtm | vi___: Oh. :( |
| 12:40.27 | bindi | i just pressed the powerbutton twice |
| 12:40.30 | psycho_oreos | I thought those two were German and that's before I started googling |
| 12:40.32 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: not common in english at least. |
| 12:40.34 | bindi | locked the screen |
| 12:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | if I got the spelling wrong: it's a long hairy carpet |
| 12:40.38 | SpeedEvil | Biedermayer |
| 12:41.10 | psycho_oreos | no spelling seems to be right, its a Turkish rug when I skimmed it through wikipedia |
| 12:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, what are you using then for that epoch? Queen-blabla? |
| 12:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | Luis-XX? |
| 12:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 12:42.16 | vi___ | kwtm: softpoweroff is basically offline mode. |
| 12:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | I think you got it anyway :-D |
| 12:43.28 | vi___ | The question is, is soft poweroff just a script that is run or is it a hardcoded thing in mce? |
| 12:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | the question is: why would anybody care to use it? |
| 12:44.05 | vi___ | A thing I have always wanted is to be able to lock/unlock with the power button. |
| 12:44.13 | kwtm | vi___: I ask because I'm trying to make it so when I do a short press of the power key, the N900 enters a state where I can put it back in my pouch. Normally this is "tklock" mode, but apparently that's only an option for "double power key press" (not "short press"). However, the N900 is slow enough that usually it doesn't sense a double press: it misses the second press (must be that it starts swapping after the first press), so I |
| 12:44.14 | vi___ | If it is a script I can hi-jack |
| 12:44.14 | kwtm | have to wait forever just to lock the N900. |
| 12:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | basically soft_poweroff == act_dead AFAIK |
| 12:45.04 | kwtm | If softpoweroff is a feasible replacement for tklock, then that *is* an option for PowerKeyShortPress |
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| 12:45.20 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: How is that different from poweroff? soft poweroff will restart when I slide open the keyboard? |
| 12:45.38 | kwtm | Maybe I should just try it? |
| 12:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | it is a different initstate afaik, much like act_dead aka "charging while off" |
| 12:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | it will take quite some time to crank system up from that state |
| 12:47.18 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Oh. :( |
| 12:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | all just handwaving as I never actually tried it |
| 12:47.37 | vi___ | Interesting. Is it a script or a hardcoded MCE thing? |
| 12:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | so all this info is deduced from reading scripts and whatnot |
| 12:47.51 | kwtm | I wonder why tklock is not an option for PowerKeyShortPress? Too bad. |
| 12:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 12:48.18 | vi___ | kwtm: because nokia HATE flexibility |
| 12:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | the main reason why the relevant parts of mce are closed ;-P |
| 12:49.21 | kwtm | bindi: Sorry, missed your comment there. For me, PowerKeyDoublePress usually results in no response for 2 seconds, and then the menu pops up (as if I did PowerKeyShortPress). Once the menu is up, then another PowerKeyDoublePress locks the device . :P |
| 12:49.42 | bindi | works fine for me :< |
| 12:50.27 | kwtm | bindi: Yeah. I seem to have a lot of swapping going on. Before I set the swappiness, it would even take about 4 seconds after the phone started ringing before it would switch to the phone screen where I could answer the call. |
| 12:51.21 | kwtm | vi___: You're right. I can't believe how frustrating Nokia's design is. Unfortunately there's nothing else like the N900 so I am forced to use it. |
| 12:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | get a N9 - enjoy aegis! X-P |
| 12:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | on N9 you have no issues with wondering how to exploit such hidden features |
| 12:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | you simply can't - usually |
| 12:53.59 | vi___ | You need not worry about choice, 'cos you got none. |
| 12:54.36 | kwtm | I'm glad Nokia opened *some* part of their phone (decision must've been made while CEO was on holiday and CTO was sick with the flu). It's so funny that the people to do with that part (i.e. the Maemo community) are thriving in the face of an orphaned phone, while Nokia itself is sinking. :P |
| 12:55.10 | vi___ | Well there is a limited number of n900s left. |
| 12:55.19 | vi___ | And the population can only go one way... |
| 12:55.38 | pigeon | is nokia messaging dead? |
| 12:55.48 | Sicelo | yes |
| 12:55.50 | vi___ | dead as fuck |
| 12:56.08 | pigeon | my existing setup still works, but i can't login or change anything. |
| 12:56.24 | vi___ | wait, do you mean nokia messaging OR nokia email? |
| 12:56.38 | pigeon | nokia messaging, for push e-mail for n900 |
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| 12:56.41 | fff | hi |
| 12:56.53 | Sicelo | ovi mail still working. part of yahoo, iirc |
| 12:56.54 | vi___ | so noworkia email then |
| 12:57.02 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Success! My N900 is now showing charging LED even with screen open! Thx. |
| 12:57.02 | pigeon | hmm |
| 12:57.12 | pigeon | does ovi mail do push e-mail for n900 too? |
| 12:57.18 | Sicelo | nope |
| 12:57.19 | vi___ | when did you create your account? |
| 12:57.36 | vi___ | what country are you in? |
| 12:57.47 | pigeon | quite a while ago |
| 12:57.49 | pigeon | australia |
| 12:58.07 | pigeon | i mean, e-mails are still being pushed properly now |
| 12:58.07 | psycho_oreos | same country as me |
| 12:58.23 | pigeon | but i want to add a new account now, but the nokia messaging website seems to be gone. |
| 12:58.34 | vi___ | ok, I am UK. So I dunno what is the case with NOK AUS |
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| 12:59.19 | Sicelo | yes pigeon, nokia messaging still provides push, but u can't do anything with settings anymore. i don't even know how you delete your previously set account :P |
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| 12:59.56 | pigeon | interesting |
| 13:00.28 | pigeon | in modest, i just tried to create a new account, i just picked uk for region, and i can choose Nokia Message now. |
| 13:01.01 | jonwil | looks longingly at all the things that are closed in Fremantle but open in MeeGo or Harmattan :( |
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| 13:03.01 | jonwil | oh yeah I think I found a possible way to write something the maemo community is going to LOVE |
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| 13:03.19 | psycho_oreos | what will that be? |
| 13:03.29 | jonwil | Specifically the project I have in mind is basically a wifi network priority setup |
| 13:03.57 | pigeon | so apart from nokia messaging, how else can you setup push email with the n900? |
| 13:04.26 | jonwil | if the phone comes in range of a higher priority WiFi network, it will disconnect from the one its on right now and connect to the higher priority one |
| 13:04.38 | Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options#Push_Email |
| 13:06.37 | pigeon | thanks |
| 13:06.37 | lardman | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/docs/PowerVR%20Series5%20Graphics.SGX%20architecture%20guide%20for%20developers.1.0.8.External.pdf might be of general interest to those interested in such things |
| 13:07.09 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: :) |
| 13:07.19 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: I've been wanting that a bit. |
| 13:07.55 | jonwil | has lost count of the number of communities he has entered and been able to work magic in |
| 13:07.55 | jonwil | Mostly games related though |
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| 13:09.39 | vi___ | reverse engineer tklock plugin |
| 13:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: gta04 seems a semi-valid replacement capable of running fremantle (with severe patching of some stuff like cmt-libs/telepathy etc) http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ |
| 13:13.40 | Sicelo | hmm, pigeon, try https://email.nokia.com/account/login.action |
| 13:14.16 | vi___ | gta04 is the hardware right? |
| 13:15.13 | vi___ | wait is gta04 still that repulsive oblong? |
| 13:15.28 | vi___ | Or is it a rectangle with a slide out keyboard? |
| 13:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: go for it! much appreciated :-D |
| 13:15.56 | jonwil | already reverse engineered the bits one would need to know to write a new tklock plugin |
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| 13:16.05 | jonwil | posted those notes to the mailing list a while back |
| 13:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: alas still the shower radio case design, no hw kbd :-(( |
| 13:16.33 | SpeedEvil | gta04 is tha hardware replacement PCB that fits in a openmoko freerunner case. |
| 13:16.45 | jonwil | As for the wifi thing, before I do anything else, I need to find all the things libicd-network-wlan exposes to the outside world |
| 13:16.49 | SpeedEvil | And the 640*480 LCD doens't look as shiny as it once did. |
| 13:17.01 | jonwil | including talking to ICD itself |
| 13:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I don't care much about shiny LCD, but the r-ts panel is a major PITA |
| 13:17.53 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 13:18.09 | SpeedEvil | I never found mine that bad. |
| 13:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | that one and the one in N900 are two entirely different classes of touchpanel |
| 13:18.15 | SpeedEvil | Maybe there is unit-unit variation. |
| 13:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | it's by mere technology used: gta02 tp is a air+spacer-bumps type, while I am convinced N900 panel uses some oil-separator |
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| 13:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | the difference for you is less noticeable as you got a screen protector on N900 ;-) |
| 13:20.23 | SpeedEvil | Probably. |
| 13:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | also the oil is aging it seems - initially I hardly could wipe away dust from either N810 or N900 surface |
| 13:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | without triggering a touch event |
| 13:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | and I have good motoric and sensoric skills |
| 13:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | was quite fun to demonstrate sensitivity of N900 by touching sceen with corner of a simple paper and it registered touch event |
| 13:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | almost *too* sensitive for me |
| 13:27.37 | jonwil | wonders why libicd-network-wlan is so complex |
| 13:27.57 | jonwil | guesses lots of it has to do with wlan security in all its forms |
| 13:28.08 | jonwil | and with talking to wlan-security modules and bits |
| 13:28.26 | vi___ | Is there a real time scope type application for the n900? |
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| 13:28.51 | vi___ | Something that will fft the mic input and isplay a nice graph for example? |
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| 13:37.07 | jonwil | ooh, good, wlancond is open source. YAY. |
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| 13:46.13 | lardman | Does the N900's Xserver use drm/dri ? |
| 13:47.35 | lardman | Presumably the XServer dri module is closed source? |
| 13:48.42 | vadimq_ | lardman: (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" |
| 13:49.25 | lardman | thanks vadimq_ |
| 13:49.40 | vadimq_ | I see it also loads fbdev, also by X.Org |
| 13:49.50 | lardman | Interesting |
| 13:50.11 | lardman | I see reading that fbdev is patched with some extensions apparently |
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| 13:51.04 | lardman | https://github.com/naguirre/xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx |
| 13:51.40 | lardman | tries to work out where to start with persuading omap4 sgx userspace to talk to Hummingbird pvr driver |
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| 13:54.02 | Sicelo | pigeon: well, nokia messaging is, after all, alive and well. |
| 13:55.22 | jargon- | psycho_oreos: ok i'm back from lunch. the problems tab for the CSSU update says the following pkgs are missing: maemosec-certman-aplet >=0.1.4+0m5, libmaemosec-certman-applet0 >=0.1.4+0m5. how do i install them? i don't see them in HAM |
| 13:55.36 | jargon- | or are they supposed to be part of some bundle? |
| 13:56.45 | merlin1991 | jargon-: do you have the nokia ssu repo enabled? |
| 13:57.15 | merlin1991 | you need that one, since something went bad when adding those to the cssu repo, they are there but not recogniceable by apt |
| 13:57.48 | jargon- | merlin1991: i'm having trouble getting HAM to update any nokia/ovi repo for a week now |
| 13:58.20 | merlin1991 | :/ |
| 13:58.36 | jargon- | yeah |
| 13:58.48 | merlin1991 | and it seems the files on the community repo are completely gone now |
| 13:58.50 | merlin1991 | WTF? |
| 13:59.10 | jargon- | great |
| 13:59.13 | jargon- | just great |
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| 13:59.53 | Sicelo | 0.0 |
| 13:59.55 | merlin1991 | and X-Fade seems to be on holidays or something |
| 14:00.02 | merlin1991 | I just can't reach him since a week |
| 14:00.55 | jargon- | yep. it's all empty now. can't update anything at the moment. |
| 14:01.02 | jargon- | weirder by the minute,this is. |
| 14:01.37 | RST38h | OMG THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING |
| 14:01.44 | merlin1991 | OMGZ0R |
| 14:03.39 | bindi | hi |
| 14:03.42 | bindi | any tips on vnc over 3g? :D |
| 14:03.47 | bindi | also, why does everything i type have caps? |
| 14:04.16 | jargon- | bindi: hmm. it's all lowercase,from where i'm seated |
| 14:04.25 | bindi | ORlY :P |
| 14:04.29 | jargon- | except for the 'D' in ':D' |
| 14:04.33 | bindi | DIDNT TYPE OVER VNC THEM |
| 14:04.35 | bindi | THEN |
| 14:04.38 | bindi | :--D |
| 14:04.42 | bindi | and no the shift key is not locked |
| 14:04.45 | jargon- | now it's all screamy caps,yes |
| 14:04.55 | jargon- | bindi: is the shift key locked? |
| 14:04.56 | jargon- | :P |
| 14:04.59 | bindi | holding shift = lowercase |
| 14:05.02 | bindi | why are you doing this :< |
| 14:05.30 | bindi | very slow picture over 3G |
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| 14:08.59 | bindi | hmm |
| 14:09.01 | bindi | its lowercase sometimes |
| 14:09.10 | bindi | like "SoMeTiMeS", looks very retarded :D |
| 14:09.51 | ZogG_laptop | hey |
| 14:11.07 | Jooles | Hi all |
| 14:11.58 | jargon- | merlin1991: repos seem to be back |
| 14:12.01 | jargon- | hi Jooles |
| 14:12.14 | jargon- | let's see if the CSSU update finally works |
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| 14:22.33 | jargon- | it worked |
| 14:22.35 | jargon- | IT WORKED! |
| 14:22.42 | jargon- | OOOOH GOD!! IT WORKED!!! :-D |
| 14:23.01 | jargon- | thank you all for your help. especially psycho_oreos and vi___ |
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| 14:41.27 | psycho_oreos | o.O keine problem |
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| 14:50.08 | jonwil | aha, I just thought of a brilliant idea for the wifi priority thing. Instead of creating a new wireless lan plugin (or cloning the existing one) we move libicd_network_wlan.so somewhere else, then we install our own plugin which calls dlopen() on libicd_network_wlan.so |
| 14:50.19 | jonwil | so basically our plugin sits between the wlan plugin and icd |
| 14:50.38 | jonwil | oh wait no, that wont work |
| 14:53.12 | reenignEesreveR | i need some help regarding installting qt4-compoennts on my scratchbox |
| 14:53.47 | reenignEesreveR | http://dpaste.com/661593/ |
| 14:53.55 | reenignEesreveR | how do i fix that? |
| 14:56.21 | bindi | argh. |
| 14:56.28 | bindi | I still don't get why my n900 vnc viewer has caps. |
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| 14:56.52 | reenignEesreveR | how do i fix this error while apt-get update : W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: Unable to read /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ - opendir (2: No such file or directory) |
| 14:57.35 | psycho_oreos | it probably means /etc/apt/trustedd.gpg.d doesn't actually exist? |
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| 14:58.21 | reenignEesreveR | yup it doesn't exist. |
| 14:59.18 | reenignEesreveR | but i dont think just creating the directory would solve |
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| 15:06.15 | reenignEesreveR | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/. |
| 15:07.06 | psycho_oreos | apt-key maybe? and you'll need to import those GPG keys.. they maybe found on the N900 itself |
| 15:07.21 | bindi | anyone use rdesktop on n900? |
| 15:07.26 | bindi | wondering how i can do alt |
| 15:07.30 | bindi | or change screens |
| 15:07.55 | reenignEesreveR | psycho_oreos, whats the proper way of adding a repository? |
| 15:08.10 | psycho_oreos | reenignEesreveR, I really don't know |
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| 15:08.44 | Sicelo | isn't it HAM? |
| 15:08.44 | psycho_oreos | normally you add them with vim and then you use something like apt-key to import them.. but for scratchbox environment it maybe is more different |
| 15:09.04 | Sicelo | oh.. my bad. sb.. |
| 15:09.16 | psycho_oreos | he mentioned scratchbox earlier on so I'm presuming its still about scratchbox |
| 15:10.31 | luke-jr | so what's the latest on N900 kernels? |
| 15:10.41 | psycho_oreos | pk49? |
| 15:10.42 | luke-jr | mainline do anything reasonable yet? |
| 15:11.12 | psycho_oreos | doubts any of the cool hacks and patches would be pushed upstream |
| 15:12.20 | reenignEesreveR | yes, im still talking about scratchbox |
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| 15:13.13 | luke-jr | pk49⁇ |
| 15:13.33 | MohammadAG | I might get two N950s |
| 15:13.50 | psycho_oreos | and how you plan on doing that? |
| 15:13.50 | ThreeM | send one to me :) |
| 15:14.50 | MohammadAG | Well, me and nokia asked dhl to send the second replacement back and nokia sent me a 3rd replacement |
| 15:15.08 | MohammadAG | The third seems to be going fine, so i might get it on sunday |
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| 15:15.22 | psycho_oreos | you're going to end up having three N950?!?!? |
| 15:15.57 | MohammadAG | The second one, rather than saying returned |
| 15:16.23 | ThreeM | again, send me one :) |
| 15:16.48 | reenignEesreveR | i have a package installed ... how can i know from which repository it was installed |
| 15:17.21 | MohammadAG | http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A |
| 15:17.41 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: If i do i'll send it back |
| 15:18.04 | gregoa | reenignEesreveR: apt-cache policy $package |
| 15:18.16 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: I sent my first one back in october |
| 15:18.49 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, still its nice to have two N950 afterall, DHL screwed you over so you should screw them over ;) |
| 15:19.30 | reenignEesreveR | gregoa, that doesn't tell me from which repo was it installed ... the only link i get is this: 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages |
| 15:19.51 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos: I'm sure nokia wouldnt agree |
| 15:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LOL WTF |
| 15:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | DHL and IL customs are such asshats |
| 15:20.51 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, they wouldn't know unless if they raided your house ;) |
| 15:22.08 | bindi | can I change my n900s swedish o to be alt? |
| 15:22.19 | bindi | im looking at the rx-51 file but im not sure |
| 15:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: don't send back the device unless Nokia tell you to do so |
| 15:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | if you wanna be PC then tell Quim about the case and ask what you shall do |
| 15:24.13 | reenignEesreveR | how do i install debian-keyring in my scratchbox? :( |
| 15:24.21 | bindi | I'll take one N950, thanks |
| 15:24.22 | bindi | :D |
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| 15:27.02 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer: We agreed it'll be sent back |
| 15:27.52 | MohammadAG_ | Well, she said she'll ask dhl to send the package back |
| 15:29.07 | bindi | so ahem |
| 15:29.14 | bindi | i'm looking at the rx-51 file for remapping keys |
| 15:29.49 | bindi | i have no idea how I can remap swedish o to alt |
| 15:32.56 | reenignEesreveR | im tired of trying to properly setup scratchbox on my machine :@ |
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| 15:33.10 | reenignEesreveR | wasted 3 complete days :@ |
| 15:33.30 | vi____ | lol |
| 15:36.15 | vi____ | how to fsck easy debian? |
| 15:37.03 | psycho_oreos | same way as mkfs except you substitute the mkfs command with fsck? just a wild guess |
| 15:37.12 | vi____ | mmm, nope |
| 15:38.08 | vi____ | aaah |
| 15:38.12 | vi____ | mount image |
| 15:38.24 | vi____ | fsck /dev/loopX |
| 15:38.53 | psycho_oreos | but then you'll be fsck on the mounted partition in other words no? |
| 15:39.14 | vi____ | meh |
| 15:40.15 | vi____ | The annoying part is having to sit here and press 'y' |
| 15:40.39 | vi____ | is there no wayI can pipe 'y' command into fsck |
| 15:40.42 | psycho_oreos | there's a switch for that :) -y |
| 15:42.05 | jaska | yes | fsck? :) |
| 15:44.19 | vi____ | lol |
| 15:44.25 | vi____ | greatest error message ever |
| 15:44.46 | vi____ | WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! |
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| 15:45.07 | vi____ | OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM |
| 15:45.35 | chem|st | vi____: that's just truth! |
| 15:45.53 | chem|st | I like warning messages to be honest! |
| 15:46.42 | vi____ | well I cannot pipe yes | to fsck |
| 15:46.48 | vi____ | it just says mounted file system |
| 15:46.53 | vi____ | which doesnt make any sense |
| 15:47.51 | jaska | :D |
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| 15:48.56 | luke-jr | I wish Maemo's kernel allowed fscking read-only-mounted fs |
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| 15:50.59 | vi____ | i wish busybox would let me fsck whatever the fsck i wanted |
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| 15:58.31 | vi____ | if I run an opengl application in easy debian will it work? |
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| 16:03.48 | vi____ | You should put an early loading SSH server to load in ACT_DEAD mode when you have the camera slide open at boot. |
| 16:04.10 | vi____ | This way the next noob who forgets his lock code would have a secret 'backdoor' |
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| 16:06.10 | psycho_oreos | http://i.imgur.com/XV6Tr.png <--- lol, from my third N900, after having successfully restored a tarball backup from another N900. Somehow this is the only device affected and I'm not going to bother fixing it if it requires reflash. |
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| 16:10.38 | reenignEesreveR | how do i access my host files from scratchbox? |
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| 16:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | vi____: RTFM |
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| 16:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | vi____: btw please add another few _ to your nick ;-D |
| 16:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to know how far you could go_____________________________ |
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| 17:06.38 | raptor67682 | hello |
| 17:06.52 | raptor67682 | shall I buy an HTC with ANdroid or N900 nokia ? |
| 17:06.55 | raptor67682 | what is betteer? |
| 17:07.08 | raptor67682 | at #android they say, nokia n900 is not good |
| 17:07.14 | raptor67682 | and here : http://gdgt.com/discuss/maemo-vs-android-what-makes-maemo-a-winner-3nu/ |
| 17:07.18 | raptor67682 | the opposite |
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| 17:09.00 | wmarone | of course the people at #android are going to say the N900 isn't good: it doens't run Android |
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| 17:09.31 | wmarone | of course, I'm still using my N900 after 2 years despite all the fancy new hardware |
| 17:09.43 | raptor67682 | I also see that ANDROID has more programs . look here : http://www.ghisler.com/android.htm |
| 17:09.47 | wmarone | as I have no interest in Android whatsoever (nasty google hack) |
| 17:10.08 | raptor67682 | I have to go to the shop to buy a android or nokia >=n900, but still I have big doubts ... |
| 17:10.34 | raptor67682 | it seems that android has more applications/programs than nokia >=n900 |
| 17:10.58 | raptor67682 | it is kinda maemo vs android.... |
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| 17:11.52 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.03 | wmarone | if the only thing you care about is the number of applications for a device then you should get an iPhone |
| 17:14.11 | vi______________ | raptor67682: of course they would, they are haxor wannabes whar mad jelly with their noob fonez. |
| 17:15.51 | vi_ | raptor67682: What do you want? A good mobile phone? A smartphone with no battery life and loads of spywa...appz or a mobile computer (that kinda sucks as a phone). |
| 17:16.17 | raptor67682 | I would desire: a sort of mini pc with linux, with cool keyboard and linux applications (tons of ) |
| 17:16.30 | vi_ | then the n900 is for you. |
| 17:16.38 | vi_ | However it does not have any appz |
| 17:17.00 | vi_ | it has most of the important free and open source programs ported to the platform |
| 17:17.19 | vi_ | but it doesnt have fruit ninja OR whatsapp |
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| 17:17.32 | vi_ | or any off that shit. |
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| 17:18.16 | raptor67682 | vi_: could I may avi/divx with it, with the n900 also? |
| 17:18.44 | raptor67682 | and do as sort of ms powerpoint with the N900? |
| 17:18.50 | vi_ | what, please form your thought into a question. |
| 17:19.06 | vi_ | You can run open office on the n900... |
| 17:19.19 | vi_ | You know open office? |
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| 17:20.55 | vi_ | raptor do you know what xterm is? |
| 17:21.05 | vi_ | raptor67682: do you run linux at home? |
| 17:21.11 | dspGuest2459 | hello |
| 17:21.57 | dspGuest2459 | to record in 720p is it enough to have the latest cameraUI from cssu, or would I need a different one? |
| 17:21.58 | reenignEesreveR | is n900 based on arm11 or arm9? |
| 17:22.39 | raptor67682 | vi_: yes, deeply much. linux everywhere ;) (debian since 15 years) |
| 17:25.14 | NIN101 | reenignEesreveR: ARMv7 |
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| 17:25.55 | AD-N770 | cortex-a8 |
| 17:26.00 | reenignEesreveR | i have an sdk with options of arm11 and arm9 ... people have used it with n900 ... can i safely use arm9 then? |
| 17:26.25 | AD-N770 | 770 was arm9 |
| 17:26.33 | AD-N770 | 800/810 arm11 |
| 17:27.21 | AD-N770 | I would probably prefer arm11 one |
| 17:28.09 | reenignEesreveR | right |
| 17:28.13 | reenignEesreveR | gr8, thanks :) |
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| 17:33.22 | reenignEesreveR | which package contains qmake for scratchbox? |
| 17:35.01 | x29a | id say qt core |
| 17:37.06 | vi_ | raptor67682: then you are going to fucking love the n900 |
| 17:37.19 | vi_ | raptor67682: it is more or less a debian box in your pocket |
| 17:38.05 | vi_ | raptor67682: you can even run debian lenny in a chroot and get access to full debian repositories. |
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| 17:38.19 | vi_ | Full firefox etc. |
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| 17:39.33 | vi_ | dspGuest2459: EVERYTHING you need to know about recording/viewing in 720p is written in the first post of the 'How to watch 720p' thread. |
| 17:40.05 | vi_ | dspGuest2459: you also need an updated version of camera-ui2 which is in the thread for camera-ui2 |
| 17:40.42 | vi_ | dspGuest2459: so follow 720p thread instructions EXACTLY, get the updated version of camera-ui2, reboot and enjoy. |
| 17:41.36 | dspGuest2459 | vi_: thanks! |
| 17:42.42 | vi_ | raptor67682: some of the hardware is superior to most of the modern androids as well. |
| 17:42.48 | vi_ | the camera for example. |
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| 17:54.43 | vi_ | im going to go troll #android |
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| 18:08.59 | luke-jr | fwiw, I just ported 2.6.28*.10* patchset to fremantle's PR1.3 patch :P |
| 18:09.22 | luke-jr | (plus some bugfixes to build with GCC 4.4+ and recent versions of GNU Make |
| 18:11.20 | vi_ | luke-jr: what? |
| 18:11.54 | luke-jr | vi_: fremantle's kernel was based on 2.6.28(.0); there were 10 bugfix revisions since then |
| 18:12.02 | luke-jr | so I merged it up to 2.6.28.10 |
| 18:12.08 | vi_ | aaaah. |
| 18:12.23 | vi_ | brief change log? |
| 18:12.26 | NIN101 | power kernel is also 2.6.28.10... |
| 18:12.30 | luke-jr | vi_: a ton of bugfixes :P |
| 18:12.36 | luke-jr | NIN101: is it? |
| 18:12.39 | NIN101 | yes |
| 18:12.46 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 18:12.49 | slonopotamus | NIN101: that was too boring for luke-jr |
| 18:12.57 | luke-jr | too bad I couldn't find their code when I was looking :p |
| 18:13.04 | vi_ | did you do this into power kernel source or stock nokia 2.6.28.10 source? |
| 18:13.14 | luke-jr | … |
| 18:13.28 | luke-jr | stock Linux 2.6.28 + Nokia fremantle patch + 2.6.28.10 patch |
| 18:13.34 | vi_ | aaah |
| 18:13.41 | luke-jr | well, technically I did the last 2 bits parallel |
| 18:13.44 | luke-jr | I put it into git :P |
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| 18:13.56 | vi_ | you should check kernel power on github |
| 18:13.58 | luke-jr | and let git do most of the work |
| 18:14.10 | vi_ | perhaps they could use some patches? |
| 18:14.14 | luke-jr | shrug |
| 18:14.25 | luke-jr | tbh, I'd rather spend my time getting mainline to work |
| 18:14.45 | luke-jr | I just want to get my fremantle kernel good enough to kexec when I boot Gentoo |
| 18:14.49 | luke-jr | then I can kexec another one |
| 18:15.32 | vi_ | oh....your the gentoo guy... |
| 18:15.57 | luke-jr | :p |
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| 18:16.11 | vi_ | gentoo fills me with fear and loathing |
| 18:18.57 | slonopotamus | positive side of gentoo users is that they produce patches and instructions, unlike deb/rpm-based distro users, who produce binaries and youtube videos. |
| 18:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | raptor67682: 1 mio fart apps don't make an awesome platform ;-) |
| 18:20.17 | vi_ | really? oh shi... |
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| 18:20.25 | vi_ | are you going to email elop or am I? |
| 18:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | raptor67682: also you have to know that most "apps" for maemo/N900 are *not* to be found in a "store" but simply install via appmanager from a repository like you are used to do for a *proper* linux platform |
| 18:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | vi_: STFU! ;-P |
| 18:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | raptor67682: andridiot is consumer mass market crap to pick your money with fart apps. Maemo/N900 is a *very* unique true linux platform for geeks |
| 18:24.33 | vi_ | I dont see what the problem is with 'phone call answering lag'... |
| 18:25.10 | vi_ | There I was decompressing a easy debian image, a task so onerous it makes most n900s reboot |
| 18:25.28 | vi_ | and I took a phone call. |
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| 18:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | vi_: reboot? only when you forgot to properly set up swappolube |
| 18:26.21 | luke-jr | raptor67682: Maemo is dead. N900 is obsolete and unsupported. etc. Android sucks bad tho |
| 18:27.38 | vi_ | unsupported?? |
| 18:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | corvette is old and discontinued and manufacturer can be considered dead, still I'd prefer it to a Toyota |
| 18:27.46 | vi_ | I received an update yesterday |
| 18:28.07 | vi_ | Youd prefer a corvette to a toyota. |
| 18:28.10 | luke-jr | vi_: o rly? |
| 18:28.10 | vi_ | u mad? |
| 18:28.32 | vi_ | luke-jr: rly. An update to busybox. |
| 18:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | barfs up X-P |
| 18:28.54 | luke-jr | vi_: so where's 3.2 for N900? |
| 18:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | over at #mer |
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| 18:29.44 | slonopotamus | mer doesn't deliver hw-specific components |
| 18:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | ooh it doesn't ? |
| 18:30.03 | vi_ | luke-jr: I got it right here bro, just pm me your bank account number and sort code. I'l mail it right away. |
| 18:30.22 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: yes, read their page again. no hw, no gui. just a base system. |
| 18:30.32 | vi_ | mer can suck my balls |
| 18:30.40 | vi_ | I am an 'end user' |
| 18:30.45 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: last I checked, Mer was abandoned |
| 18:30.50 | vi_ | not a hallowed chosen one with a n950 |
| 18:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | tries in vain to figure what'S a base system without hw support looking like |
| 18:31.10 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: there's post-meego mer now |
| 18:31.16 | vi_ | DocScrutinizer: it is a shopping list of programs. |
| 18:31.23 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: what is it? |
| 18:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | successor of meego-arm |
| 18:31.57 | vi_ | What was decided WRT to maemo repos after 2012? |
| 18:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | meego arm did mitosis and became two: mer and nemo |
| 18:32.07 | vi_ | After they pull the plug? |
| 18:32.08 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: i just said. |
| 18:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | #mer /topic: >>Mer is back! - http://bit.ly/qqX2jp - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ | Contribution to packages: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS ...<< |
| 18:34.16 | slonopotamus | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ what a crippled url |
| 18:34.51 | luke-jr | oh, did MeeGo formally die? |
| 18:34.58 | slonopotamus | i think yes |
| 18:35.39 | luke-jr | "So it begs the question: why not just evolve MeeGo? We believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications, outside of a relatively small percentage of apps, and we are firmly convinced that our investment needs to shift toward HTML5." <-- they answer their own question! |
| 18:36.09 | slonopotamus | actually i don't see an answer |
| 18:36.21 | luke-jr | oh, I was reading from the wrong perspective |
| 18:36.31 | luke-jr | I thought it was a MeeGo guy complaining they weren't using MeeGo |
| 18:36.47 | abill_uk | did abill_uk get banhammered? |
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| 18:37.05 | luke-jr | well, Tizen sounds like crap then |
| 18:37.07 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 18:37.07 | aholler_ | hmm, so mer is a frontend to goole apps? |
| 18:37.25 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: hmm... tizen was born yet? |
| 18:37.43 | slonopotamus | aholler_: mer doesn't provide a gui |
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| 18:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | abill_uk: not yet but if yiu'Re asking politely we can arrange sth for you |
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| 18:44.41 | aholler_ | I wait until kde assimilated the meego touchready apps ;) |
| 18:46.26 | aholler_ | and then it's time for an new toucpad with kde ;) |
| 18:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | yawns a bit and hands banhammer to some other chanop, just in case. Heads out... |
| 18:49.55 | aholler_ | offers his n770 to other chanop |
| 18:50.20 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 18:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | If I'd care I'd track down who tried to kill me with impersonating abill_uk, but MEH |
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| 18:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | 31.185.134.204 we're homing in on you! |
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| 19:08.56 | aholler_ | that tracking reads like if someone has written 'I'm a bomb' onto the package ;) |
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| 19:13.30 | aholler_ | 2 month just to get send back. unbelievable. |
| 19:14.48 | ShadowJK | watching a user trying to use Symbian Belle first time is kinda tragic |
| 19:15.27 | ShadowJK | time to user grabbing ballpoint ben to attempt typing: 1 minute |
| 19:15.44 | ShadowJK | next hurdle was figuring out what the equivalent of an OK button is |
| 19:17.10 | raptor67682 | vi_: got back from store. So they do not sell anymore the NOKIA N900 |
| 19:18.11 | raptor67682 | they said that Maemo is out of date, and they do not sell it anymore. The salesman said that Maemo was not working at all, and he said that they do not sell Maemo anymore. |
| 19:18.19 | aholler_ | maybe the customs thought it's an animal and put the poor thing into quarntine |
| 19:21.29 | luke-jr | [13:26:21] <luke-jr> raptor67682: Maemo is dead. N900 is obsolete and unsupported. etc. Android sucks bad tho |
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| 19:22.25 | luke-jr | surprised they EVER had it in a store :p |
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| 19:23.38 | Macer | didn't notice that my appt i made last week was on black friday |
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| 19:30.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | raptor67682: toldya it's a platform for geeks. Do you expect geeks as salespoint lizards? |
| 19:31.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | obviously it didn't ever work FOR THEM |
| 19:32.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm using my N900 as daily phone plus uch much more since 2 years now, never regretted it |
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| 19:32.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | there are users on tmo that have signatute "N900: my reason to live" |
| 19:33.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | you think you'jj see that for random anfridiot phones? |
| 19:33.30 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
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| 19:36.42 | vi_ | raptor67682: that sucks man however even seeing them in 'real' shops was uncommon. If you want a linux box for your pocket then you can still find them online. Check your local version of gumtree/craiglist, ebay then amazon etc. |
| 19:37.38 | vi_ | my first one broke. I immediatley bought another without hesitation. |
| 19:38.39 | vi_ | fourtunatley the first one was still under warrenty, got an e7 and flogged it right away to help pay for it. I was lucky, I found a guy who was selling a brand new one. It still had the screen sticker on it! |
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| 20:10.34 | psycho_oreos | real N900 are hard to come by these days because: 1) there are owners who either break them by various means and have asked for replacement and 2) because of its native wifi pentesting capabilities it has stirred up a bit of commotion that now almost make N900 somewhat a cult device within the wifi pentesting community. Apart from those reasons it could also be possible that a few of us whom now owns a few N900 apart from just one recommending others to b |
| 20:10.35 | psycho_oreos | uy more in case their one and only N900 stuffs up |
| 20:13.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: pog |
| 20:13.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | pong even |
| 20:15.07 | Pali | I started writing bq2415x kernel driver |
| 20:15.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | cool |
| 20:15.46 | Pali | now I have structure for driver, see: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x_charger.c |
| 20:16.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm abroad, ewill look when back home again |
| 20:16.32 | Pali | I used i2c functions and miscdevice from bq27x00 driver |
| 20:16.33 | Pali | ok |
| 20:16.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | also will try to complete my 'spcs' |
| 20:16.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | specs |
| 20:17.55 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, two quick questions: 1) The N900 doesn't have some sort of a screen tint does it? two of my rev 2204 has a darker screen when the screen is off. Its very similar to the N900 featured in the advertisement when one turns the screen off it shows very much a dark screen. Though my third one isn't like that its more like a silver colour. 2) Could it be possible that nokia happens to have a capacitative display and they used that on the N900? |
| 20:17.55 | psycho_oreos | I guess its very hard to tell if that's the case |
| 20:17.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, almost too busy trhese days. new job, CSSU, GTA04, bq24150 driver... |
| 20:19.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's hard to answer any of those right here |
| 20:19.38 | psycho_oreos | nods |
| 20:20.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: I'm come back to it when back home |
| 20:20.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'jj |
| 20:20.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 20:20.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ll |
| 20:21.08 | psycho_oreos | I should probably just also put a tmo thread as well, instead of placing a heavy burden on you :D |
| 20:21.09 | ShadowJK | capacitive touchscreen on n900? |
| 20:21.12 | ShadowJK | huh |
| 20:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | <-- idiot. left fahrplan running and wonder why battery goes down the drain |
| 20:21.50 | psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, there's aftermarket of those, probably not by nokia themselves but there's an actual difference with the screen |
| 20:22.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: he said display |
| 20:22.31 | ShadowJK | the blackness when "on" depends how much backlight leaks through the display layer surely? |
| 20:22.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | all very confusing/confused |
| 20:23.27 | ShadowJK | and when off it depends on the gloss of the surface and the external lighting? |
| 20:23.33 | psycho_oreos | well the screen isn't on and it just seems my third (rev 2101) screen has a more silverish colour tint as opposed to a more darker black tint |
| 20:24.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | might depend on LC fluid used etc |
| 20:25.01 | psycho_oreos | same external lighting, actually I have a photo which should show fairly clearly with all my N900. The two N900 with rev 2204 you will see are `blacker' or darker than the 2101 one |
| 20:25.11 | psycho_oreos | hmm never though about LC fluid |
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| 20:26.46 | psycho_oreos | http://i.imgur.com/KSMbK.jpg <--- here, its the same link as the one in my tmo signature.. the one in the middle is the rev 2101 one |
| 20:28.39 | ShadowJK | looks like middle one would work better in sunlight |
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| 20:29.51 | SpeedEvil | Exact orientation matters |
| 20:30.40 | psycho_oreos | it seems as though the middle one is for some reason greyish than the other two. *shrugs* it could just be me thinking that its a capacitative screen when its probably not and as what DocScrutinizer51 mentioned its probably different LC fluid used |
| 20:31.19 | psycho_oreos | I don't think exact orientation would matter, it just seems as though no matter which angle I place the third N900 on, it would still appear with greyish tint than darker one |
| 20:31.26 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 20:31.39 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering if you were just going off the photo |
| 20:32.44 | psycho_oreos | the photo was just an example, I could take more photos on the third N900 but I'm sure the results doesn't speak any difference. Not that the issue worries me too heavily but its just weird that there's this difference with it |
| 20:33.02 | ShadowJK | hm. N900 screen (screen, not ts, not bl) when off is white.. or atleast my first N900 faded to white when losing power to screen |
| 20:33.27 | SpeedEvil | I'd be interested if there are substantive differences in the brightness of the backlight, or in sunlit performace with the backlight dimmed. |
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| 20:33.46 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: You can't really say that. |
| 20:33.55 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Unless you know all the rails are off |
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| 20:34.14 | SpeedEvil | LCDs do wierd and destructive things on partial power |
| 20:34.20 | ShadowJK | had a loose battery once, screen went white then backlight dimmed |
| 20:34.59 | SpeedEvil | That could be anything though - the LCD may be on, and the framebuffer clock stopped, for example. |
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| 20:35.16 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 20:36.39 | ShadowJK | also my SmartQ has a powergate on the display that you can toggle in /sys/, and there it also fades to white (but much much slower than N900 did) |
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| 20:38.50 | SpeedEvil | Some are by default transparent, others white |
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| 22:52.57 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/kernels/20111125.1949_2.6.28.10-fremantle20103103+0m5_gcc45-00274-g0571aad/ |
| 22:54.05 | psycho_oreos | whats special about that kernel? |
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| 23:20.00 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: GCC 4.5?\ |
| 23:20.07 | luke-jr | 76M /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-omap1-gcc45-00274-g0571aad |
| 23:20.09 | luke-jr | 7.5M /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power42 |
| 23:20.10 | luke-jr | hmmmmmmmm |
| 23:20.40 | psycho_oreos | ahh only built on newer GCC. but meh, pk42 |
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| 23:29.05 | MohammadAG | Fucking bouncer |
| 23:32.50 | psycho_oreos | IRC bouncer? |
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| 23:36.30 | MohammadAG | Yeah |
| 23:36.39 | MohammadAG | Its been down for two days |
| 23:36.54 | MohammadAG | And the damn iphone doesnt stay connected |
| 23:37.18 | MohammadAG | Tbh, I miss the Nokia experience |
| 23:37.26 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: well, it's got 2.6.28.10 patchset too |
| 23:37.31 | MohammadAG | Going back to my N900 tomorrow |
| 23:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 23:37.46 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: N900 XChat doesn't stay connected either :P |
| 23:38.00 | MohammadAG | luke-jr: It does |
| 23:38.38 | MohammadAG | Coloquy (iphone irc client) disconnects after 10 minutes of not havin the window active |
| 23:38.57 | MohammadAG | Usually i like to keep irc running in the background |
| 23:38.58 | luke-jr | not really. I don't have signal persistent enough :P |
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| 23:39.18 | MohammadAG | iOS is fun |
| 23:39.19 | luke-jr | but srsly, why are my modules dir 10 times the size? :x |
| 23:39.27 | MohammadAG | The tweaks are fun |
| 23:39.36 | MohammadAG | But its too restrictrd |
| 23:40.02 | MohammadAG | And autocorrect only works when you dont want it to |
| 23:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: strip |
| 23:42.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Family channel, I mean seriously... :p |
| 23:42.24 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how to strip .ko? |
| 23:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, does it not work for .ko? |
| 23:42.57 | MohammadAG | `strip` |
| 23:43.06 | MohammadAG | It does |
| 23:43.28 | MohammadAG | .ko is afterall a glorified .o |
| 23:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | >>GNU strip discards all symbols from object files objfile. ...<< |
| 23:45.00 | luke-jr | I'd expect it to strip stuff Linux needs to load it |
| 23:45.09 | MohammadAG | Nope |
| 23:45.09 | luke-jr | surprised there's no "right way" to strip kmods |
| 23:45.41 | MohammadAG | strip is the right way |
| 23:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, I guess there's a linker / compiler option |
| 23:46.20 | MohammadAG | It's what kernel packages use in build scripts |
| 23:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | to not even create cruft |
| 23:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 23:46.59 | luke-jr | ? |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | cd /lib/modules; strip * |
| 23:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | actually you may want to add some parameters to strip |
| 23:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure you know about man |
| 23:51.00 | luke-jr | 'strip' by itself makes them unloadable, according to Google results |
| 23:51.19 | luke-jr | --strip-debug reduces mine to 6 MB |
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| 23:58.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/Promotion/xiaomicellphone/default.aspx - interesting |
