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| 00:03.39 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: you have to use approved accessory to use tvout in n900 |
| 00:04.03 | Macer | approved accessory? :) |
| 00:04.10 | Macer | like an iTV? |
| 00:04.37 | Jooles | it'd have to be catchier than that. iWatch perhaps |
| 00:04.44 | jacekowski | no, special cable |
| 00:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | that cable is all but special |
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| 00:14.31 | r00t|home | i read the n900 normally ships with the cable |
| 00:14.47 | r00t|home | i got mine used, without cable |
| 00:15.45 | r00t|home | tried with a 4-contact-3.5mm cable from a camera which had totally different mapping, then ordered one from china that still has not arrived |
| 00:16.06 | Jooles | we have a bunch of those cables in a drawer at work (we sell and buy used phnones) |
| 00:16.36 | r00t|home | i don't think you can send it to me any cheaper than my friends in china can ;) |
| 00:17.37 | Jooles | heh, probably not. Royal mail ain't cheap |
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| 00:18.05 | r00t|home | 2.03eur from china |
| 00:18.29 | r00t|home | just that i ordered on oct. 22. and it hasn't arrived yet |
| 00:18.37 | Jooles | lame... |
| 00:18.49 | r00t|home | normal, for ground-mail shipping from china |
| 00:19.04 | Jooles | really? |
| 00:19.08 | r00t|home | always takes around a month |
| 00:19.12 | r00t|home | but it's dirt cheap |
| 00:20.06 | r00t|home | listing is in pounds actually: http://www.ebay.de/itm/230577989897 |
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| 00:25.20 | mikki-kun | hm, about the hd-recording capabilities of the n900... will it be included into a cssu update? |
| 00:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | r00t|home: totally different mapping? almost impossible |
| 00:33.35 | merlin1991 | mikki-kun: the problem with the "hd - recording" is that it needs a different kernel and a differently clocked dsp |
| 00:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | it's just a 3.5mm with 4 contacts. Base/sleeve is always GND, and the other 3 run to 3 cinch |
| 00:34.08 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: there's a thread on it somewhere... the cables that digicams usually use even have ground swapped with some signal, compared to the n900 |
| 00:34.11 | merlin1991 | we could add the backportet chages to gstreamer, but on the kernelside that's a nogo for a general public update |
| 00:34.24 | merlin1991 | which is supposed not to void your warranty |
| 00:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes |
| 00:34.47 | mikki-kun | merlin1991: since when does changing th kernel void your warranty? |
| 00:34.50 | r00t|home | DocScrutinizer: the n900 has it mapped according to some standard, other devices don't |
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| 00:34.55 | merlin1991 | kernel isn't the prob |
| 00:35.01 | merlin1991 | but clocking the dsp is the prob |
| 00:35.45 | mikki-kun | isn't any software provided as "as is" actually without any warranty it will work and/or might void the current warranty? |
| 00:36.24 | merlin1991 | sure most software is |
| 00:36.50 | merlin1991 | but it's not about cssu team getting sued, but rather general public installing cssu and voiding their warranty without knowing |
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| 00:37.10 | merlin1991 | if you terribly need that warranty voiding h-d recording nobody stops you from doing it |
| 00:37.17 | mikki-kun | hm, didn't cssu need extras-devel? |
| 00:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | there's no voiding of warranty with installing custom kernels, on N900 |
| 00:37.22 | merlin1991 | but we don't want to force it onto every cssu user |
| 00:37.27 | luke-jr | mikki-kun: N900 was never capable of video recording afaik |
| 00:37.35 | luke-jr | mikki-kun: and it's a dead platform |
| 00:37.38 | camo | ?\ |
| 00:37.43 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I just said like 10 lines above that you need kerenl + oc dsp |
| 00:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | it's just that if you break your hw with that new kernel, then this for sure isn't backed by warranty |
| 00:37.52 | merlin1991 | and oc dsp does void warranty |
| 00:38.14 | camo | how is gtk/matchbox dead. and afaik the *still* camera just grabs frames from a video stream. at least electranox/debian docs tell you how to take a photo using mencoder/mplayer |
| 00:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | nothing voids warranty, at least here in germany |
| 00:38.29 | merlin1991 | it's like pk fine as long as you don't go overclocking |
| 00:38.34 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Nokia doesn't really honour the warranty anyway afaik? |
| 00:38.46 | luke-jr | I heard they were just replacing N900s with some lame phone now |
| 00:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | you can just create breakage that isn't covered by any invoidable warranty |
| 00:39.08 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: same here in the USA> |
| 00:39.18 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: companies like to bluff tho, and nobody sues them |
| 00:39.45 | merlin1991 | anyway cssu is never going to adjust hw clock rates so h-d recording included is a nogo |
| 00:40.11 | camo | how fast do you need. 1ghz? |
| 00:40.23 | luke-jr | if adjusting the clock rate is necessary to do HD recording, you could probably force Nokia to honour it in court |
| 00:40.31 | luke-jr | since they advertised it as beign capable |
| 00:40.50 | luke-jr | tbh, I wouldn't mind less-than-HD video recording tho |
| 00:40.51 | camo | apple mailed me $17 for an inadvertently adverttized DVD hw-decode feature |
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| 00:41.13 | luke-jr | camo: and by accepting $17, you settled |
| 00:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, same with "warranty void if this seal is broken" on arbitrary PCs etc. You can happily ignore that, as companies can't declare warranty void on their own definition. Actually they can for what they offer by themselves as warranty, but they can't avoid being legally liable for device defects |
| 00:41.36 | camo | never bought an apple prod after that. steve came back and ruined it |
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| 00:42.04 | camo | killing 3rd party devs and customizable builds.. emphasizing slick marketing and UI eye-candy over substance, you knw the story |
| 00:42.09 | camo | its immortalized in a huge market success now |
| 00:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | this liability is 24 moths in whole europe afaik, and no "warranty void" will have any impact on it |
| 00:43.55 | camo | stock vid-rec on n900 is weird. like 10 fps and interpolation/trails between frames |
| 00:43.58 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: it will have an effect once you start drilling around on the boards :) ^^ |
| 00:43.59 | camo | slo-mo and terrible |
| 00:44.06 | camo | id settle for 30fps in lieu of HD |
| 00:44.26 | luke-jr | too |
| 00:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: not even then, you still need to cause the defect by doing so |
| 00:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | though you have to prove it that you didn't, as company will simply say you did |
| 00:44.55 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i was trying to imply that ;) |
| 00:46.56 | mikki-kun | merlin1991: did you install the 720p rec capabilities? |
| 00:47.03 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 00:48.04 | mikki-kun | camo: to me the n900 isn't too bad in it's current setup, some framedrops, but apart from that rather good |
| 00:52.08 | mikki-kun | anyways, i might give the 720p a try and if it's bad i'll do a reflash (which is needed at this stage, did too much package testing and need to yet again sort out what i need and what i don't need) |
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| 01:10.39 | arvut | hi, is there a way to install the rename command on the n900? I have a quite up-to-date enhanced busybox (3.1.something) in my xterm.. but cant find the actual command, but there is a manpage for it somehow.. |
| 01:11.10 | arvut | I need to multirename some files from *.mp3 to *.aac |
| 01:15.29 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: No, you don't. You need to use a properly designed accessory. |
| 01:15.38 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: The apple ones have crypo-shit. |
| 01:15.48 | SpeedEvil | Meaning third party makers can't make them. |
| 01:27.04 | luke-jr | arvut: there is no "the" rename command |
| 01:27.09 | luke-jr | arvut: there are various incompatible scripts |
| 01:32.15 | arvut | luke-jr: oh. but what about the man-page then? |
| 01:33.02 | luke-jr | what man page? |
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| 01:34.30 | aholler_ | The rename command is part of the util-linux package and is available from ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/. |
| 01:36.05 | arvut | luke-jr: man rename |
| 01:36.23 | luke-jr | arvut: different depending on OS |
| 01:36.47 | arvut | hmm, in maemo5 then, as we are in #maemo |
| 01:40.09 | arvut | hmm.. apt-get selects busybox instead of util-linux |
| 01:40.39 | arvut | so busybox is an alternative collection of commands to util-linux? |
| 01:41.06 | merlin1991 | ~messybox |
| 01:41.06 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 01:41.55 | arvut | l0l |
| 01:43.01 | arvut | care to explain what "lean scripting" is? |
| 01:43.04 | aholler_ | busybox is the embedded swiss army knife, used when people start trying to save bytes or count of binaries ;) |
| 01:43.27 | arvut | yeah, that I know |
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| 01:44.14 | arvut | can I replace enhanced busybox with util-linux in maemo5 then? |
| 01:44.20 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:44.23 | SpeedEvil | But it won't work. |
| 01:44.47 | SpeedEvil | It'll also be marginally slower and use more memory, if you hack the scripts to be compatible. |
| 01:46.01 | arvut | oh, so not a good idea then |
| 01:46.49 | arvut | and all those scripts, where exactly are they stored? I'd like to have a look at some of them :) |
| 01:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless apt-get install bash4 - just works |
| 01:47.56 | arvut | done that. not sure if I'm using it by default tho |
| 01:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | of course you'll want to install a lot of other stuff to support it then, as well |
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| 01:48.29 | camo | busybox is nice imo |
| 01:48.40 | arvut | nope, echo $SHELL returns /bin/bash |
| 01:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | and you probably don't want to install the original stuff, as it breaks messybox bootscripting |
| 01:49.06 | arvut | oh my |
| 01:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | I got /bin/gnu in my $PATH |
| 01:49.12 | camo | arvut: a ton of stuff symlinks to busybox. ike ls -> busybox, and busybox takes the $0 as a selector |
| 01:49.30 | aholler_ | a small for-loop instead of rename is less pain ;) |
| 01:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which find |
| 01:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu/find |
| 01:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 01:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 01:50.14 | arvut | neat, I like loops, but I can only work with them in C++ and C# |
| 01:50.31 | aholler_ | sp time to learn a bit bash ;) |
| 01:50.35 | aholler_ | or shell |
| 01:50.50 | arvut | yeah |
| 01:50.51 | camo | DocScrutinizer: obv murphy's law but busybox is almost always a subset, rather than flags having dif fmeaning |
| 01:50.56 | camo | so, it proably wouldnt break *too* much |
| 01:50.56 | aholler_ | it's as easy as in $real_programming_language ;) |
| 01:51.30 | camo | OSX/iOS use really old forks from BSD utils like.. from 1986. defintiely diff flags than GNUserspace stuff on linux |
| 01:51.36 | camo | their tar always messed w my head |
| 01:51.49 | camo | perhaps theyve updated some userspace since 10 yeasr ago when i last touched OSX tho |
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| 01:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | camo: eh? |
| 01:52.14 | aholler_ | at least the shell got much better in the last years |
| 01:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 01:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | camo: nope, it's known to break sysinit for at least PR1.2-- |
| 01:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | afaik nobody ever tested since ;-P |
| 01:53.11 | camo | yes, murphy's law , even subtle change here or there break everything :) |
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| 01:53.42 | arvut | I'll dig around in some zines then and see about those for loops.. what should I loop btw? gimmi a hint please ;) |
| 01:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene it's no problem for root (reportedly) but for *user* you don't want bash as default shell, with all the messybox stuff replaced by the real thing |
| 01:54.28 | aholler_ | btw, busybox's echo understands -e and -n, much better than dash ;) |
| 01:54.46 | arvut | dash? |
| 01:55.02 | SpeedEvil | has a build of busybox on one router with no ls. |
| 01:55.09 | aholler_ | a shell debian uses do pain people ;) |
| 01:55.39 | arvut | SpeedEvil: there is probably a good reason for that, right? |
| 01:55.42 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: see find /somewhere -name '*.somext" -exec "do-sth {} ; " |
| 01:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | -exec unknown by messybox find |
| 01:56.18 | arvut | do-sth? |
| 01:56.24 | SpeedEvil | # cat /proc/meminfo |
| 01:56.26 | SpeedEvil | MemTotal: 6124 kB |
| 01:56.54 | SpeedEvil | I can't upgrade, as this one has a comedy bug, which is useful to me. |
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| 01:57.30 | SpeedEvil | My ISP (well, not really, but simplifying), their DSL modem negotiates with mine and asks it to do a rather high SNR margin. |
| 01:58.06 | SpeedEvil | Now, this modem is supposed to be able to increase the SNR margin - and reduce speed by saying 'adsl --snr 10 |
| 01:58.09 | SpeedEvil | For example. |
| 01:58.16 | arvut | SpeedEvil: you lost me there, what's a SNR margin? |
| 01:58.41 | SpeedEvil | If you however tell it adsl --snr 65525 - it decreases margin, and increases speed. |
| 01:58.48 | SpeedEvil | (16 bit overflow) |
| 01:59.00 | arvut | oh |
| 01:59.16 | SpeedEvil | SNR margin is signal-noise ratio margin. It's a measure of the margin between the minimum ADSL signal, and the noise. |
| 01:59.29 | SpeedEvil | DEcreasing it can increase speed but decrease stability. |
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| 02:00.58 | arvut | not clear on how analog datatransfers and modems work actually. but decreasing speed should logically increase stability unless high speed == stability |
| 02:01.20 | arvut | that noise talk always confuses me |
| 02:02.16 | camo | shannon son |
| 02:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: do-sth maybe like "f={} mv $f ${f#.mp3}.MP4 |
| 02:03.12 | camo | http://fusionanomaly.net/claudeshannon.html for the obligatory Norbert reference |
| 02:03.27 | camo | shell scripting is overraated. any language can readdir() |
| 02:03.41 | arvut | DocScrutinizer: I'm afraid time lost me too, and so did you =) |
| 02:03.45 | camo | plus you'll get a typechecker (Sometimes) and eliminate a whole host of trivial string parsing/quoting issues |
| 02:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: bash:: f=abc.ext; echo ${f#.*} --> abc |
| 02:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | the pleasures of a *decent* interactive shell |
| 02:05.46 | arvut | i know way too little bash to understand that :( |
| 02:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | on messybox it will silently fail and return BS |
| 02:06.07 | arvut | f=abc.txt does what? |
| 02:06.12 | aholler_ | you can't understand bash, you have to learn it ;) |
| 02:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | ${var#without} |
| 02:06.18 | arvut | declares a variable? |
| 02:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, f=xy defines $f |
| 02:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | as xy |
| 02:06.47 | arvut | aha |
| 02:06.50 | arvut | ty |
| 02:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | echo $f --> xy |
| 02:07.09 | arvut | mhmm |
| 02:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | echo ${f#y} --> x |
| 02:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | f=abcdef |
| 02:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | echo ${f#d*} --> abc |
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| 02:10.11 | arvut | hmmm. my ctrl/sym key doesnt respond anymore.. |
| 02:10.12 | sasquatch | really %? |
| 02:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooops replace all # by / |
| 02:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | echo ${f/d*} --> abc |
| 02:10.51 | arvut | was gonna ask about those and the brackets |
| 02:10.57 | sasquatch | $ f=abcdefdef ; echo ${f#d*} ${f##d*} ${f%d*} ${f%%d*} |
| 02:10.59 | sasquatch | abcdefdef abcdefdef abcdef abc |
| 02:11.03 | arvut | and the arrow |
| 02:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | the arrow is my way to say "gives output like:" |
| 02:13.18 | arvut | actually.. think sleep could be an alternative, its 03:13AM and stuff to do tomorrow |
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| 02:13.37 | arvut | aha, like an std:out |
| 02:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | you enter |
| 02:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | f=abcdef |
| 02:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | echo ${f/d*} |
| 02:14.27 | arvut | moves whats in f into d? |
| 02:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | it prints-->: abc |
| 02:14.30 | SpeedEvil | arvut: Decreasing speed increases stability - but the ISP overestimates the amount needed to get stability, so reduces my speed. |
| 02:14.53 | arvut | SpeedEvil: lovely, goodnight :) |
| 02:15.05 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | I always forget the less /<pattern> to find about all the bash env-magic |
| 02:15.59 | arvut | this room is awesome. how many MB do you thinl it would take to idle here over 8 hours time? |
| 02:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | so I think I created an alias or microscript for it |
| 02:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | but I forgot its name |
| 02:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 02:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | less than 1mb |
| 02:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | waaaay less |
| 02:17.00 | arvut | I'd like to remember the pattern for showing progress of a task in bash, like the mv or cp command |
| 02:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.17 | arvut | cheers, ill do that then! ;) |
| 02:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | you're welcome :-) |
| 02:17.54 | arvut | i actually mean the traffic to 9 channels via irssi 8.15 :) |
| 02:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> du -h .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/ |
| 02:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | 476M .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/ |
| 02:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | is for like 3 years 24/7 online on 10some chan in IRC |
| 02:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | some of them busy, others not that much |
| 02:20.47 | arvut | anyway, nn ty 4 the bash lessons. more tomorrow :) |
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| 02:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 02:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | goes searching for his alias |
| 02:26.24 | Macer | awesome |
| 02:26.31 | Macer | i am finally movingn stuff over to my synology :) |
| 02:26.50 | Macer | i should throw 10 video cards into my old server and turn it into a retarded gaming rig |
| 02:27.00 | Macer | it already has a KW psu |
| 02:28.06 | sasquatch | DocScrutinizer: less -p$SOMEPATTERN |
| 02:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | man bash|less +"/^ *Parameter Expansion" |
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| 02:35.15 | sasquatch | . o O ( oh great! my stealth cap works... noone notices me... ) |
| 02:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | sasquatch: eh? SOMEPATTERN not the searchstring I was looking for |
| 02:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | 'Parameter Expansion' section in bash manpage has all the goodies |
| 02:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | which I never can recall when I need them |
| 02:38.53 | sasquatch | ${f/d*} is a degraded search/replace... ${f%d*} is strip tail |
| 02:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nman bash|less +"/^ *Parameter Expansion"' >bin/envhelp; chmod +x bin/envhelp ;# ;-D |
| 02:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | sasquatch: indeed |
| 02:40.03 | sasquatch | sh knows % and #, but not / |
| 02:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | and even more amazing: it still works :-D |
| 02:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, k |
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| 02:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the most annoying part in bash manpage: it has no highlighting for bashisms (as opposed to things that can be found in korn shell) |
| 02:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | aka posix shell |
| 02:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 02:43.04 | sasquatch | i think the interactive commandline features and scripting should be split into 2 tools... |
| 02:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 02:43.43 | sasquatch | a noninteractive scripting shell without all that bloat and a cute userinteface |
| 02:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, isn't that what messybox tries to do? |
| 02:44.18 | sasquatch | you still can do sh -c "somecommands" or python -c '...' but then you explicitely name the interpreter |
| 02:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | duh, wait... I forgot about /usr/local... |
| 02:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, nuttin as well |
| 02:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | mv's bin/envhelp to /usr/local/bin |
| 02:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | hah, one of the rare occasions a rehash is a nice idea |
| 02:48.37 | sasquatch | :-) |
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| 02:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | I love my silly snippets in /usr/local/bin :-) |
| 02:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> cat `which whichgrep` |
| 02:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | #!/bin/sh |
| 02:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | find `echo $PATH|tr ":" " "` -name "$1" |
| 02:52.02 | sasquatch | ${PATH/:/ } ? |
| 02:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure :-D |
| 02:52.30 | sasquatch | ${PATH//:/ } ? |
| 02:52.41 | sasquatch | one only substitutes 1st : |
| 02:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | yaeh |
| 02:53.10 | sasquatch | but havin system scropts sh compatible is a better style than using all bashisms |
| 02:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | the benefit of scripts, you can do pretty and clean as you do it only once and for all |
| 02:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | IFS=: find $PATH ... ;-D |
| 02:55.06 | sasquatch | :-D |
| 02:55.13 | sasquatch | i just was lookung fpr that way |
| 02:55.21 | sasquatch | fOr |
| 02:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | meh, doesn't work |
| 02:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | IFS prolly is a line discipline thing |
| 02:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | may work fro read, but not for parameter expansion |
| 02:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | for* |
| 03:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | yay 22% of upload finished... DANG I NEED A FATTER CABLE |
| 03:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | might be funny when finished to upload: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/n9_goes_spooky.mp4.part |
| 03:03.23 | sasquatch | $ dash -c 'args() { IFS=" " echo $* ; } ; IFS=: args $PATH' |
| 03:03.24 | sasquatch | /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin /usr/bin/X11 /usr/games |
| 03:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
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| 03:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | 5some hours for ridiculous 170MB upload :-(( |
| 03:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where's the bottleneck as even my crappy DSL line could do twice that bw up |
| 03:08.07 | sasquatch | has round about 72kbytes/s on DSL and approx 4 times that upload on UMTS |
| 03:08.36 | sasquatch | quite funny... faster via mobile phone than via copper @home |
| 03:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | I pondered to go back to "unlimited" (aka 5GB/month) for 25bucks on UMTS, when I started that upload, as I knew it will piss me |
| 03:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, so time for a nap, then it'll be finished ;-) |
| 03:10.26 | sasquatch | :-D |
| 03:10.54 | sasquatch | 04:10 here... i'm looking in that direction too |
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| 03:11.02 | sasquatch | _o/~ |
| 03:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | funny video of N9 doing spooky touchscreen events like mad |
| 03:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | same TZ |
| 03:11.25 | Estel_ | hi there |
| 03:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | hi, and bye :-D |
| 03:11.53 | sasquatch | self.suspend(TO_BED) |
| 03:12.00 | Estel_ | bye. I hope it doesn't mean I'm getting kickbanned now (silly joke) |
| 03:12.06 | Estel_ | good night |
| 03:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | (faster via mobile phone than via copper) wait for LTE, it will blow copper out of the water |
| 03:13.53 | SpeedEvil | Then comes 60G with beamforming. |
| 03:14.08 | SpeedEvil | gigabit easily. |
| 03:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | and then I *really* get me a tin foil hat |
| 03:14.13 | SpeedEvil | Though over short ranges. |
| 03:15.19 | Estel_ | a propos - does anyone have idea what TCP 4713 is for on Maemo? |
| 03:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | hopes for trans-10GHz band getting used, as then it doesn't even scratch my skin anymore |
| 03:15.46 | Estel_ | I found it open and can't recall using anything related to |
| 03:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | netstat is your friend |
| 03:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | the *real* netstat |
| 03:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | not this messybox crap |
| 03:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | netstat -ntupla |
| 03:16.35 | Estel_ | I was just to say that there fun begin, cause netstat doesnt list it |
| 03:16.39 | Estel_ | but nmap does |
| 03:16.55 | Estel_ | but You said that maemo included netstat is wrong, eh? |
| 03:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | kinda yes |
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| 03:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | try netstat -a|grep 4713 |
| 03:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | netstat -nt actually |
| 03:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | netstat -nta |
| 03:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | might be a random port outbound? |
| 03:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | oh, you said nmap |
| 03:26.07 | Estel_ | yea. BTW, I wonder, why nmap for maemo works flawlessly under user, but fail to do as root |
| 03:26.48 | Estel_ | as root it can't detect wlan0. Must be some "small" bug, but for few months porting person wasn't able to detect it |
| 03:27.12 | Estel_ | pity, firewall evasion doesn't work (mostly) without root - no packet fragmentation etc |
| 03:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 03:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ip/ports04000.htm doesn't know about your 4713 |
| 03:28.34 | Estel_ | yea, tried googling around for it |
| 03:28.36 | Estel_ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4713 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 03:28.45 | Estel_ | result of netstat -nta |
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| 03:29.38 | Estel_ | detected it by accident - forgot to exclude myself from hostlist, while nmap'ing |
| 03:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | hah, PA what else |
| 03:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio |
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| 03:31.00 | Estel_ | oh, damnit |
| 03:31.22 | Estel_ | why the hell it's listening @ outside world?! |
| 03:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | VNC? |
| 03:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 03:32.10 | Estel_ | yes, I use x11vnc, but limited to localhost only |
| 03:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | err VLC |
| 03:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 03:33.29 | Estel_ | no vlc here |
| 03:33.49 | Estel_ | and x11vnc is indeed limited, it port is visible only from inside |
| 03:33.51 | Estel_ | hm |
| 03:34.10 | Estel_ | I wonder if other ppl devices also listen on such port, or similar one |
| 03:34.23 | SpeedEvil | n900? |
| 03:34.26 | Estel_ | yes |
| 03:34.26 | SpeedEvil | Not mine. |
| 03:34.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 03:34.36 | Estel_ | discovered it with nmap |
| 03:34.50 | Estel_ | nfc what is causing this |
| 03:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | not mine |
| 03:35.07 | SpeedEvil | Stupid - need to reboot to reget internet. |
| 03:35.17 | Estel_ | heh |
| 03:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search netstat |
| 03:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 03:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install netstat |
| 03:36.51 | Estel_ | by default, nmap scan first 1000 ports - I'm going to ask nmap maemo user, to scan around first 6000 ports and check |
| 03:36.55 | Estel_ | yea, that too |
| 03:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | netstat -ntap |
| 03:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon, tell us the program finally :-D |
| 03:39.07 | Estel_ | hm, better netstat doesn't have a clue - it just it as listening - bugt qnetmanager confirm its pulseaudio and nothing else |
| 03:39.27 | Estel_ | Still nfc why pulseaudio listen to outside world :( |
| 03:39.49 | SpeedEvil | Is it actually? |
| 03:39.56 | SpeedEvil | telnet yourphone 4713 |
| 03:40.25 | SpeedEvil | Here at least the only port open is ssh |
| 03:40.41 | SpeedEvil | externaly |
| 03:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1628/dnsmasq |
| 03:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 711/sshd |
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| 03:40.53 | Estel_ | I also got ssh open, but also 53 (dnsmasq) and this 4713 (pulseaudio) |
| 03:41.12 | SpeedEvil | dns should be internal only |
| 03:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | 127.0.0.1:53 |
| 03:41.57 | Estel_ | You know what? |
| 03:42.09 | Estel_ | mine 53 is also localhost only via netstat |
| 03:42.22 | Estel_ | but, nmap still list it as open from outside |
| 03:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | duh, VPN? |
| 03:42.47 | Estel_ | 4713 is even more funny, netstat list it as 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:42.52 | Estel_ | still visible from outside |
| 03:42.58 | Estel_ | no VPN here |
| 03:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | and no program associated?? |
| 03:43.17 | Estel_ | in netstat, no |
| 03:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | netstat -ntap |
| 03:43.33 | Estel_ | qnetman associate it with pulseaudio, and 53 with dnsmasq |
| 03:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | impossible |
| 03:43.38 | Estel_ | yes, yes |
| 03:43.55 | Estel_ | -ntap result in '-' as program |
| 03:44.05 | aholler_ | paste the output in a bin, it's more verbose. |
| 03:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | whatever might be qnetman |
| 03:44.24 | Estel_ | while, for example, xchat is listed with it's pid |
| 03:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 03:44.40 | SpeedEvil | nmap phone -p1-65535 - lists 59879/tcp filtered unknown |
| 03:44.42 | SpeedEvil | as well |
| 03:45.05 | Estel_ | hm |
| 03:45.32 | Estel_ | I haven't got 59879, tried all ports range |
| 03:46.02 | SpeedEvil | hmm - the filtered port seems to be moving. |
| 03:46.08 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if my router is screwing up |
| 03:46.09 | Estel_ | 4713 was also unknow in nmap, but it's definitelly pulseaudio |
| 03:46.41 | Estel_ | aholler_, what do You mean as bin? You want output as some text file? |
| 03:47.19 | Estel_ | I can, but nothing to look at there, just unknown |
| 03:48.08 | Estel_ | ... and thatis why DocScrutinizer is going to be sleepppy again, tommorow ;) |
| 03:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I should've speeded up nmap a bit |
| 03:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | takes forever to scan those 65k ports |
| 03:48.56 | Estel_ | yea, takes a while without tightening probing |
| 03:49.06 | Estel_ | still, no more than 5 minutes ;) |
| 03:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | oh well |
| 03:49.36 | aholler_ | btw. 0.0.0.0 means it's listening on every ip |
| 03:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 03:49.50 | Estel_ | ah, right |
| 03:50.18 | Estel_ | but, dnsmasq should listen on 127.0.0.1, still, it's listed in nmap as outside listening |
| 03:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | 5min are gone |
| 03:51.18 | aholler_ | Estel_: and you are sure your phone was the target? ;) |
| 03:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | twiddles thumbs |
| 03:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 03:51.31 | Estel_ | yes ;) definitelly |
| 03:52.19 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, if we're aksing rethorical questions, You haven't set Your whole network as target? ;) |
| 03:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | geeeez 7 min |
| 03:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 03:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900 |
| 03:53.02 | Estel_ | strange, for me 65k ports scan was faster even without tightening |
| 03:53.29 | Estel_ | aholler_, have You tried nmap'ing Your phone full ports range? |
| 03:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | maybe my crappy router is maxed out |
| 03:53.59 | aholler_ | Estel_: just use iptables ;) |
| 03:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | there's an upload running in background |
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| 03:54.51 | Estel_ | aholler_, I like to filter out possible malfuncionts, that why I'm talking about direct outside test |
| 03:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | HAH nmap answers to <cr> on stdin |
| 03:55.18 | Estel_ | if I got asomething open in nmap, I'm rather sure it's open really |
| 03:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | Connect Scan Timing: About 87.43% done; ETC: 04:55 (0:01:19 remaining) |
| 03:55.24 | aholler_ | Estel_: if netstat doesn't show it, but nmap does, something is cruel with your phone |
| 03:55.33 | Estel_ | using netstat I would get false results |
| 03:56.12 | Estel_ | netstat show it, but - 53 dnsmasq as localhost (nmap detect it from outside) and 4713 is listed both by netstat and nmap as outside |
| 03:56.26 | Estel_ | other ports are listed as should |
| 03:56.31 | Estel_ | i.e ssh port etc |
| 03:56.40 | Estel_ | or other internal localhost'ish |
| 03:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | iptables fsckd up? |
| 03:56.49 | Estel_ | thats the riddle ;) |
| 03:57.20 | Estel_ | correct way of checking this, i.e to avoid smth screwed as with native netstat? |
| 03:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | Stats: 0:11:37 elapsed; 0 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing Connect Scan |
| 03:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | Connect Scan Timing: About 92.87% done; ETC: 04:57 (0:00:53 remaining) |
| 03:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | weird spacetime continuum nmap lives in |
| 03:58.50 | Estel_ | hieh, hieh |
| 03:59.34 | Estel_ | btw, isn't busybox-power netstat fixed? |
| 03:59.48 | Estel_ | default netstat gives me same results as MAG netstat |
| 04:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | nfi, I won't touch this weird stuff - messybox-power, a paradox |
| 04:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | I just know default messy netsstat missing -p |
| 04:01.44 | aholler_ | exactly, painful ;) |
| 04:01.49 | Estel_ | Cmon, busybox-power is well prepared package ;) And iDont is good maintainer. His fixes get also included mainstream ;) |
| 04:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | I won't get interested in it |
| 04:02.38 | Estel_ | whatever - for me it's like kernel-power |
| 04:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | there's bash4, there's ttrue netstat and all |
| 04:02.55 | Estel_ | also a mess in many parts, but mess that is going better and better |
| 04:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | why mess with mess, when you can get the real stuff? |
| 04:03.46 | Estel_ | bash4 can be used at near-boot state? |
| 04:04.06 | Estel_ | I like to use busybox power at recorvery console invoked from preinit |
| 04:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I'll keep messybox (not the power version) for that |
| 04:04.51 | Estel_ | + some useful packages that would require big re-write for default messy |
| 04:05.00 | Estel_ | due to missing flags, arguments etc |
| 04:05.14 | Estel_ | and works fine with b*-power |
| 04:05.44 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 04:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | Interesting ports on IroN900 (192.168.1.41): |
| 04:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | Not shown: 65534 closed ports |
| 04:05.53 | Estel_ | any results from Your nmap? |
| 04:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 04:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 04:07.05 | Estel_ | and nothing else? damnit, I wonder what is causing this on mine (messybox isn't ;) ) |
| 04:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you fell for the PoC malware in extras-devel or somewhere |
| 04:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | there've been always rumours about such stuff |
| 04:08.02 | Estel_ | can't recall anything that could mess with pulseaudio Hm |
| 04:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not with PA, but rather iptables/NAT |
| 04:08.42 | aholler_ | iptables -v -L should show it |
| 04:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | eavesdropping daemon, tapping your microphone |
| 04:08.57 | Estel_ | any ideas how to fix it without breaking anything totally? |
| 04:08.59 | Estel_ | hehe |
| 04:09.02 | Estel_ | will check |
| 04:09.11 | aholler_ | first you need to find what to fix |
| 04:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | I gather that's PK though |
| 04:09.35 | aholler_ | ps | grep dnsmasq |
| 04:10.33 | aholler_ | if that shows -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 and netstat says too it's listening on 127*, than your nmap means something other than dnsmasq |
| 04:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | I easily could figure somebody injected some backdoor to PK patches |
| 04:10.57 | redeeman | PK? |
| 04:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | powerkernel |
| 04:11.24 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, You're not using pk? aholler_, checking... |
| 04:11.25 | redeeman | i should really get my n900 fixed |
| 04:11.29 | redeeman | hasnt worked in 1+ years |
| 04:11.32 | luke-jr | omg |
| 04:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: not on IroN900 |
| 04:11.45 | luke-jr | is there seriously no color laser printer on the market with free software drivers anymore? |
| 04:11.54 | redeeman | luke-jr, HP? |
| 04:12.11 | luke-jr | redeeman: HP has none on the market with free software drivers :| |
| 04:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | free maybe, but not open? |
| 04:12.19 | luke-jr | all their new ones require proprietary blobs |
| 04:12.23 | redeeman | how are they not free? you just get the ppd |
| 04:12.28 | redeeman | wtf? |
| 04:12.29 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if it isn't open, it sure isn't free |
| 04:12.41 | luke-jr | redeeman: ppds are useless on their own |
| 04:12.49 | redeeman | luke-jr, not if they dont call external stuff |
| 04:12.52 | Estel_ | aholler_, 1529 nobody 2160 S /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z |
| 04:12.53 | luke-jr | all these printers have stupid proprietary protocols now |
| 04:13.03 | luke-jr | well they do :/ |
| 04:13.09 | Estel_ | and 3557 user 2820 S grep dnsmasq |
| 04:13.23 | redeeman | hp cp 3505 ? |
| 04:13.27 | redeeman | cant be gotten anymore? |
| 04:13.31 | aholler_ | Estel_: get a netstat which offers -p |
| 04:13.52 | redeeman | i see its out of production now |
| 04:13.55 | Estel_ | ok, and? |
| 04:14.10 | aholler_ | than you should see what listens on port 53 |
| 04:14.18 | redeeman | luke-jr, well, printing sucks anyway |
| 04:14.36 | luke-jr | LaserJet 2840 would be nice, if it was available |
| 04:14.40 | redeeman | luke-jr, minolta sells some hugely expensive ones that will work, but i suspect thats not what you want |
| 04:14.44 | luke-jr | redeeman: yeah, but not being able to print sucks more |
| 04:15.09 | luke-jr | well, my goal was under $200. but that doesn't look remotely likely. |
| 04:15.23 | redeeman | i dont really know about consumer devices |
| 04:15.23 | aholler_ | <$200 for a color laser? |
| 04:15.24 | luke-jr | only Samsung has them under $200, and I can't find ANY word on if splix works with them |
| 04:15.46 | luke-jr | aholler_: + scan + fax too! |
| 04:15.46 | redeeman | i would have thought $400 for color laser was more doable |
| 04:16.00 | luke-jr | I got my current black laser for $50 :/ |
| 04:16.02 | aholler_ | than they rip you off with the toners |
| 04:16.04 | luke-jr | why is colour so much more? |
| 04:16.12 | luke-jr | aholler_: well, that's why I don't buy toner. just printers. |
| 04:16.27 | redeeman | thats also not economical |
| 04:16.30 | redeeman | get the nonbranded toner |
| 04:16.38 | redeeman | the ones that comes with the actual printers are only like 10% full |
| 04:16.40 | luke-jr | that $50 black laser lasted me like 2 years |
| 04:16.54 | luke-jr | checks that |
| 04:17.05 | redeeman | they will lie about their own fullness btw |
| 04:17.21 | luke-jr | they can't lie if I have no way to read the level |
| 04:17.24 | aholler_ | all color lasers will track you ;) |
| 04:17.29 | redeeman | its a big scam all of it |
| 04:17.36 | luke-jr | aholler_: I don't really care :p |
| 04:17.37 | redeeman | noname toner is cheapest |
| 04:17.43 | redeeman | can be hard to get for newest devices though |
| 04:17.47 | redeeman | due to all their crappy security chips |
| 04:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | LJ P1505 lasts since >1y and ~500 sheets now |
| 04:18.08 | luke-jr | ok, got my $55 black laser in Aug 2008 |
| 04:18.17 | luke-jr | it's just running out of 'starter' toner now |
| 04:18.20 | redeeman | luke-jr, ofcourse depends on how much you print |
| 04:18.22 | luke-jr | so 3 years :p |
| 04:18.27 | redeeman | but why not get inkjet if you dont print lots? |
| 04:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | HPLIP sucks though |
| 04:18.34 | redeeman | its also not producing as many toxic fumes |
| 04:18.38 | luke-jr | redeeman: inkjet is a pain. always has issues |
| 04:19.11 | SpeedEvil | Inkjet dies if you don't use it often. |
| 04:19.17 | luke-jr | that too |
| 04:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | redeeman: inkjet sucks donkeyballs, esp when you print on a random schedule |
| 04:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | or what SpeedEvil says |
| 04:19.29 | Estel_ | aholler_, my netstat offer -p, but both using -l and without, i can't get 53 shown 0_o |
| 04:19.30 | redeeman | printing ALWAYS sucks, just so we are clear |
| 04:19.32 | aholler_ | use an online service which sends you posters if you need to print colors ;) |
| 04:19.36 | luke-jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828112055 <-- old printer |
| 04:19.48 | aholler_ | or some photo service |
| 04:19.51 | redeeman | luke-jr, get an old parallel matrix printer |
| 04:19.54 | redeeman | that shit works forever |
| 04:19.59 | redeeman | i have one thats 20 years old |
| 04:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah! :-D |
| 04:20.59 | *** join/#maemo Gh0sty (~ghosty@213.219.188.86.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 04:21.07 | aholler_ | and they can produce carbon copies |
| 04:21.09 | luke-jr | redeeman: where from? |
| 04:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | is missing his citizen swift-24 |
| 04:21.15 | luke-jr | it works with current CUPS? |
| 04:21.19 | redeeman | luke-jr, used |
| 04:21.20 | redeeman | ofc it does |
| 04:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | with color option |
| 04:21.31 | redeeman | if you have parallel shit enabled in kernel |
| 04:21.35 | redeeman | and if your computer has it |
| 04:21.40 | redeeman | which is the biggest issue with laptops |
| 04:21.49 | redeeman | can get usb->parallel though for those purposes |
| 04:21.51 | luke-jr | wtf? |
| 04:21.53 | redeeman | these devices are indestructable |
| 04:21.55 | luke-jr | nothing has parport anymore |
| 04:22.07 | redeeman | they might be findable with rs232 too though its rare |
| 04:22.10 | redeeman | this is oldstyle stuff |
| 04:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | CENTRONICS FTW! |
| 04:22.44 | redeeman | yes :) |
| 04:22.49 | aholler_ | i still should have an old epson fx* somewhere in the cellar too ;) |
| 04:22.59 | redeeman | the one i had, was continuously printing pages for 9 years before they went to laser |
| 04:23.03 | redeeman | day in day out |
| 04:23.16 | luke-jr | if I print a page every week, think I can keep inkjet functional? |
| 04:23.29 | redeeman | luke-jr, shouldnt really be an issue |
| 04:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 04:23.34 | redeeman | ive seen people doing way worse |
| 04:23.38 | redeeman | months between printing |
| 04:23.41 | redeeman | sure it may stick a little first page |
| 04:23.43 | redeeman | so print a test page |
| 04:23.46 | redeeman | and it will work afterwards |
| 04:23.50 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: It depends. |
| 04:24.03 | SpeedEvil | If actually powered off, then no, the head can die permenantly. |
| 04:24.10 | SpeedEvil | No amount of cleaning will fix. |
| 04:24.16 | redeeman | in my experience that doesnt really happen |
| 04:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you really do a test print every 7 days, it may stay OK |
| 04:24.25 | SpeedEvil | I've had 3 printers do that. |
| 04:24.32 | luke-jr | not a test print, a weekly schedule |
| 04:24.37 | aholler_ | if you only print one page a week I really would check out some photoservice around the corner |
| 04:24.39 | redeeman | my dad has a canon bjc 240 |
| 04:24.40 | SpeedEvil | If powered on, the periodically clean teh heads. |
| 04:24.46 | SpeedEvil | they |
| 04:24.47 | redeeman | its roughly 10 years old or so |
| 04:24.54 | SpeedEvil | Printers vary. |
| 04:24.54 | redeeman | he prints a page every year these days |
| 04:24.56 | redeeman | it still works |
| 04:24.57 | luke-jr | what's "thermal" inkjet? any better? |
| 04:25.15 | SpeedEvil | Thermal inkjet heats the ink to make little bubbles |
| 04:25.18 | SpeedEvil | which push ink out |
| 04:25.24 | Estel_ | hey DocScrutinizer aholler_, netstat show 4713 is PID 1045/pulseaudio |
| 04:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
| 04:25.43 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: which does what for me? :P |
| 04:25.46 | Estel_ | as for 53 can't find it with netstat :( |
| 04:26.02 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: it's an alternative method of putting ink on the paper. |
| 04:26.05 | luke-jr | Estel_: netstat -ulpn |
| 04:26.16 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: All print nozzles can clog - if unused. |
| 04:26.22 | Estel_ | so, any ideas about fixing it or finding bugger? |
| 04:26.24 | Estel_ | proceeding |
| 04:26.25 | SpeedEvil | The method of getting the ink out is less important. |
| 04:26.37 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: diff your /etc against a known good one |
| 04:26.48 | SpeedEvil | look at pulseaudio config file |
| 04:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | oufff |
| 04:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, more like that |
| 04:27.39 | luke-jr | ok, I don't get this. how do these inkjet printers have scanners for $60, but a scanner by itself costs $110? |
| 04:27.46 | aholler_ | Estel_: just add a firewall, that might protect you from stupid apps too. and you can filter what's going out too. |
| 04:27.50 | Estel_ | PID 1529 dnsmasq |
| 04:27.52 | Estel_ | UDP |
| 04:28.45 | Estel_ | firewall to N900?! Other than that, I suspect those ports are listening only all the time, my network is kinda bulletproof stronghold |
| 04:29.21 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, whole /etc/ directory? |
| 04:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, lol |
| 04:30.04 | aholler_ | firewall on n900 (iptables) |
| 04:30.23 | Estel_ | ok, but just to clear thnings up - having PID's of program using 53 and 4713 can I check if it's really pulseaudio and dnsmasq or fake one, yep? |
| 04:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | I think we should find other PK users to nmap their stuff |
| 04:30.28 | SpeedEvil | For example, as a zeroth cut, all of my /etc/pulse files are older than 2010 |
| 04:30.41 | aholler_ | than you don't have to fear that some stupid stuff opens a security hole. |
| 04:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | umm, lsof should tell you which binary file these processes got started from |
| 04:32.24 | aholler_ | Estel_: ps usually doesn't lie |
| 04:32.26 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, /etc/pulse/ files are all 14/06/2010, except xpolicy.conf SYMLINK that is 12/09/2011 |
| 04:32.57 | SpeedEvil | dame here |
| 04:32.59 | SpeedEvil | same |
| 04:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | aholler_: it's easy for an app to fake own listing in ps |
| 04:33.25 | SpeedEvil | md5sum xpolicy.conf |
| 04:33.25 | SpeedEvil | 06f8607f5e961294aef1d0091db47926 xpolicy.conf |
| 04:33.29 | aholler_ | i assume we don't assume he got hacked |
| 04:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | a process may rename itself |
| 04:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | I understood he was suspecting exactly that |
| 04:34.26 | aholler_ | than he's lost. |
| 04:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 04:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it's PK |
| 04:34.47 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, 1sof, nfs what it is? SpeedEvil I'm checking md5sum |
| 04:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | or some "cute improvements to PA" |
| 04:35.04 | aholler_ | to listen on port 53 the app needs to be root and than that app could do everything |
| 04:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | LSOF |
| 04:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | ls open files |
| 04:35.41 | Estel_ | btw I have NFC what is causing this - common sense tells me I have"mt been hacked, but who knows if someone could inject malicious path to something. Uploading new version of packages is open for everyone |
| 04:35.48 | Estel_ | I doubt so, but worth checking |
| 04:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | lsof|grep <pid> |
| 04:36.48 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, different checksum for xpolicy.conf |
| 04:37.29 | SpeedEvil | So read through the file, and see if anything leaps out |
| 04:37.52 | Estel_ | ok |
| 04:38.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, lsof | grep <dnsmasq_pid> result in lotta hell results |
| 04:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | |grep txt |
| 04:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | will give you the executable file |
| 04:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | path |
| 04:40.02 | aholler_ | Estel_: how does your nmap-line looks like? |
| 04:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | dnsmasq 1628 nobody txt REG 254,1 139520 33203 /usr/sbin/dnsmasq |
| 04:42.20 | Estel_ | aholler_, nmap-line? I'm afraid I'm lost here? |
| 04:43.02 | aholler_ | Estel_: how do you have scanned? |
| 04:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | nmap <phone> -p53 |
| 04:43.11 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, doesn't seem that something suspicious is in xpolicy.conf, but I admit that some parts are out of understanding for me. Well, most of them |
| 04:43.19 | Estel_ | ah i see |
| 04:44.52 | Estel_ | nmap <phone> -p1-65535 -sV --version-intensity 3 -sC |
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| 04:47.44 | Estel_ | but --version-intensity 1 is also enough to find it |
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| 04:48.09 | Estel_ | anyway, I re-testes it, and only 4713 remain as outside open, 53 dissapeared 0_o |
| 04:48.20 | Estel_ | + ssh of course bugt that is legit |
| 04:48.24 | Estel_ | but* |
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| 04:51.23 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, |grep txt result in /usr/bin/dnsmasq |
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| 04:52.12 | Estel_ | lsof | grep 4713 result in: |
| 04:52.31 | Estel_ | pulseaudi 1045 pulse 57u IPv4 4336 TCP *:4713 (LISTEN) |
| 04:52.39 | Estel_ | 'pulseaudi' isnt typo |
| 04:52.46 | Estel_ | copied/pasted |
| 04:52.57 | Estel_ | no txt for 4713 |
| 04:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | trucation |
| 04:53.11 | aholler | busybox ps is crippled ;) |
| 04:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's lsof aiui |
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| 04:54.02 | Estel_ | yes |
| 04:54.07 | Estel_ | lsof |
| 04:54.12 | aholler | uups, sorry |
| 04:55.43 | Estel_ | any ideas? Menwhile, I'm learning about iptables on Maemo |
| 04:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, you maybe should check all the files pulseadi uses - as well as has used at startup, aka config files. See if sth looks new there |
| 04:56.18 | Estel_ | to cover teory about stupid app opening security hole. Another theory, about backdoor on purpose, still need love |
| 04:56.53 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, any helping command example? |
| 04:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | FUUUUCK |
| 04:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# lsof|grep pulseaud|wc -l |
| 04:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | 123 |
| 04:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | so you probably don't want to check all 123 |
| 04:58.08 | Estel_ | yea ;) |
| 04:59.12 | Estel_ | ok, so we assume that it's really pulseaudio listening on 4713, not some program spoofing? Can we, given research performed? |
| 04:59.46 | Estel_ | if yes, I think I should check what may've tinkered with pulseaudio. If not, I've NFC what to do ;) |
| 05:00.19 | aholler | grep tcp /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 05:00.52 | aholler | or grep tcp /etc/pulse/* |
| 05:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | lsof|grep pulseaud|grep -v unknown|grep -v .so|grep -v CHR|grep -v FIFO |
| 05:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | or simply check /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache |
| 05:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | as there's nothing else interesting in lsof |
| 05:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | obviously all the interesting cfg files got closed after reading them, on startup of PA |
| 05:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | so better listen to aholler |
| 05:05.05 | Estel_ | iptables ready and understood, just need to get accustomed to it... Trying Your suggestions now |
| 05:06.29 | Estel_ | grep tcp /etc/pulse/* : |
| 05:06.31 | Estel_ | /etc/pulse/default.pa:.ifexists module-native-protocol-tcp.so |
| 05:06.49 | Estel_ | /etc/pulse/default.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1 |
| 05:07.00 | Estel_ | /etc/pulse/default.pa:#load-module module-cli-protocol-tcp |
| 05:07.12 | Estel_ | /etc/pulse/system.pa:.ifexists module-native-protocol-tcp.so |
| 05:07.23 | Estel_ | /etc/pulse/system.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1 |
| 05:07.36 | Estel_ | /etc/pulse/system.pa:#load-module module-cli-protocol-tcp |
| 05:07.43 | Estel_ | <end of pasting> |
| 05:10.11 | Estel_ | or simply check /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache - only few strange symbols there |
| 05:10.42 | aholler | I would say that auth-anonymous=1 is it |
| 05:11.30 | aholler | you could try auth-ip-acl=127.0.0.1; instead. but I don't know much about pulseaudio |
| 05:11.46 | Estel_ | lsof|grep pulseaud|grep -v unknown|grep -v .so|grep -v CHR|grep -v FIFO |
| 05:11.51 | aholler | (wihout that ;) |
| 05:11.59 | Estel_ | lotta hell of results, but one seems interesting: |
| 05:12.29 | Estel_ | pulseaudi 1045 pulse 57u IPv4 4336 TCP *:4713 (LISTEN) |
| 05:12.45 | Estel_ | (from lsof|grep pulseaud|grep -v unknown|grep -v .so|grep -v CHR|grep -v FIFO) |
| 05:12.53 | Estel_ | hm, aholler, will try... |
| 05:14.03 | Estel_ | replace auth-anonymous=1 with auth-ip-acl=127.0.0.1, yes? |
| 05:14.34 | Estel_ | safe, or should i perform full backupmenu backup before applying and rebooting? ;) |
| 05:15.09 | Estel_ | (i.e no risk of being unable to boot, I suppose?) |
| 05:15.34 | Estel_ | sorry for silly question, but when changing things I doesn't understand well, better to ask |
| 05:16.44 | aholler | better read the pulseaudio docs. I wonder why the server listens everywhere (or even why it is enabled) |
| 05:17.28 | aholler | currently it looks like you could use e.g. mpd on your pc to play stuff on the n900 ;) |
| 05:17.40 | aholler | s/you/everyone/ |
| 05:18.45 | Estel_ | lol |
| 05:19.07 | Estel_ | You think I could check it by using mpd? Of course as addition to reading docs? |
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| 05:20.08 | Estel_ | Thinking about it, I wonder if program recaller [record all] - mean't to record conversations, microphone or system sounds (available in repositories) may have something to do with it |
| 05:20.30 | Estel_ | It's only think related to sound I can imagine could do smth like that |
| 05:20.37 | Estel_ | on purpose or by accident |
| 05:20.56 | Estel_ | BTW, aholler, Your pulseaudio doesn't have same settings? |
| 05:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | I got recaller but no open port |
| 05:21.19 | Estel_ | I mean auth-anonymous=1? |
| 05:21.22 | Estel_ | I see |
| 05:21.35 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, could You also check that auth-anonymous=1? |
| 05:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | grep auth-anonymous <where?> |
| 05:22.04 | Estel_ | grep tcp /etc/pulse/* - it's in one of results |
| 05:22.11 | Estel_ | yea |
| 05:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# grep auth-anonymous /etc/pulse/* |
| 05:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/pulse/default.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1 |
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| 05:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/pulse/system.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1 |
| 05:24.05 | Estel_ | same here, but no open port for You |
| 05:24.16 | Estel_ | You got another device with PK? ;) |
| 05:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | but then I got no PA listening anywhere |
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| 05:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | ancient PK, yes |
| 05:25.52 | Estel_ | why not newest on non-iron? ;) |
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| 05:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | t900 is my hostmode test device |
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| 05:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | not really eager to test new kernels on it |
| 05:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | MPFFF - 57479/tcp open unknown |
| 05:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | 32770/tcp filtered sometimes-rpc3 |
| 05:33.52 | Estel_ | ? |
| 05:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | 655/tcp filtered unknown +20 up to 60296/tcp filtered unknown |
| 05:34.44 | Estel_ | i see. BTW about pk, aren't You afraid that Your hostmode testing may be irrelevant, due to hosmode being used by people in practice with new kernel? |
| 05:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not testing kernel anymore, until recently maybe |
| 05:35.29 | Estel_ | I see. |
| 05:35.50 | Estel_ | erm You got 20 open ports on Your ancient kernel device? |
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| 05:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | filtered ports |
| 05:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | one open port though |
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| 05:37.03 | Estel_ | I see. what is using Your 57479? |
| 05:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 05:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | can't that easily install anything on that old device, which makes it prone to a complete re-install soonish |
| 05:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 05:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | tcp 0 0 ::1%65024:57479 ::%169:* LISTEN |
| 05:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | tcp 0 0 ::1%65024:53 ::%167:* LISTEN |
| 05:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | tcp 0 0 ::%65024:22 ::%167:* LISTEN |
| 05:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2948 0.0.0.0:* |
| 05:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | lots of iIPv6 carp |
| 05:42.25 | DocScrutinizer | IPv6 |
| 05:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | crap! crap! |
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| 05:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | DUH VoIP of course |
| 05:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 05:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | MEH! |
| 05:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy 6846 user 9u IPv4 104735 TCP 192.168.1.42:57479 (LISTEN) |
| 05:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy 6846 user 11u IPv4 104737 TCP Nokia-N900-02-8:57479 (LISTEN) |
| 05:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy 6846 user 13u IPv6 104739 TCP localhost:57479 (LISTEN) |
| 05:44.52 | Estel_ | I see |
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| 05:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me why I don't see anything like that on IroN900 |
| 05:45.51 | Estel_ | my telepathy-sofiasip is listening only, when I'm connected |
| 05:46.09 | Estel_ | to sip provider... |
| 05:46.30 | Estel_ | for a second I thought maybe pulseaudio is listening because of that, but, no ;) |
| 05:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | IM SIP Skype |
| 05:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | and PA might simply be a stale port |
| 05:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | PA stalling isn't exactly exciting news after all |
| 05:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# uptime |
| 05:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.56 | Estel_ | no worries, mine also got 30+ days uptime, unless I'm testing some stuff like boot recovery console or reboot problem ;) |
| 05:50.27 | Estel_ | like in last few days |
| 05:50.40 | Estel_ | still, no idea about 4713 pulseaudio |
| 05:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | anyway no PA open port at all on t900 |
| 05:50.55 | Estel_ | I guess I'll shut it down via iptables, and investigate further |
| 05:51.04 | Estel_ | yea, thanks for testing |
| 05:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | no port at all |
| 05:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio |
| 05:55.19 | Estel_ | done, 4713 still open |
| 05:55.28 | Estel_ | will try with pulseaudio disabled |
| 05:56.17 | Estel_ | guess what, with pulseaudio disabled, port is closed |
| 05:57.39 | Estel_ | I wonder if I would replace pulseaudio binary with other known good one, I would break anything? ;) |
| 05:57.56 | Estel_ | from same CSSU and kp version (kp should not matter, but) |
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| 05:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno |
| 06:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'd do a BM-backup anyway ;-D |
| 06:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | are you sure you haven't installed any anti-stutter-tweak for PA? |
| 06:01.24 | asdffdsa | hello, which file should i flash on my n900? |
| 06:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 06:01.48 | reenignEesreveR | is there an SDK or something for maemo development on ubuntu? |
| 06:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | reenignEesreveR: called scatchbox |
| 06:02.46 | reenignEesreveR | * i meant Ubuntu HARDY |
| 06:03.05 | Sicelo | asdffdsa: u now have a charged battery? |
| 06:03.06 | reenignEesreveR | i can't find the information about 10.04 here http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html |
| 06:03.36 | asdffdsa | i dont know ^^ |
| 06:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | reenignEesreveR: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation |
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| 06:04.15 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, surely I've not installed any tweaks for pa |
| 06:04.34 | Estel_ | why should I, it's working fine for me. No tweaks boosting sound etc |
| 06:04.45 | Estel_ | I hope easy debian isn't responsible for this ;) |
| 06:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: see |
| 06:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 06:05.06 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 06:05.53 | asdffdsa | DocScrutinizer, thx...but which file should i use 4 flashing? |
| 06:06.05 | Estel_ | read wiki article |
| 06:06.13 | Estel_ | everything is there |
| 06:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | the most recent one on Nokia's download page |
| 06:06.32 | Estel_ | if You got any specific quewtion about specific problem, feel free to ask |
| 06:07.22 | Estel_ | ok, bye for now - I'm going to investigate further this mysterious 4713 issue ;) |
| 06:07.27 | Estel_ | later today... |
| 06:08.48 | asdffdsa | which release is the newest? |
| 06:11.31 | sasquatch | DocScrutinizer: IFS=: set -- $PATH ; echo $* # :-) |
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| 06:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: >>Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900<< see right col |
| 06:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: actually >>Latest Maemo 5 $WHATEVER release for Nokia N900<< |
| 06:25.17 | luke-jr | ugh, building GCC 4.5 on N900 takes forever |
| 06:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | orly? |
| 06:26.27 | luke-jr | ya |
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| 06:26.32 | luke-jr | it's been going all day |
| 06:26.37 | luke-jr | at least it's on stage 3 now |
| 06:26.44 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 06:26.51 | luke-jr | yawn |
| 06:26.51 | SpeedEvil | IIRC -j2 made it faster |
| 06:27.01 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not with N900's pathetic 256 MB RAM |
| 06:27.06 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 06:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: >>PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2<< |
| 06:27.20 | SpeedEvil | For kernel at least |
| 06:27.27 | luke-jr | … |
| 06:27.28 | SpeedEvil | gcc may differ |
| 06:27.40 | luke-jr | maybe I should have set USE=-fortran |
| 06:27.47 | luke-jr | who really needs a Fortran compiler anymore? |
| 06:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 06:30.36 | asdffdsa | DocScrutinizer, thx found it |
| 06:30.54 | luke-jr | it pains me to think I haven't even started upgrading KDE yet… |
| 06:31.07 | luke-jr | wonders if he'll need to resort to qemu to link qt-webkit still |
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| 06:44.28 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 06:44.48 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 06:44.55 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. |
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| 06:46.16 | Pali | ping DocScrutinizer |
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| 08:04.59 | MaceSyn | hello |
| 08:05.48 | MaceSyn | am i missing something? i don't remember this many people being in #maemo? |
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| 08:06.03 | MaceSyn | will n900 owners be spared during the rapture or something? |
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| 08:11.55 | merlin1991 | MaceSyn: ofc they will |
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| 08:13.22 | MaceSyn | oh lord |
| 08:13.30 | MaceSyn | binutils just got installed to my synology |
| 08:13.37 | MaceSyn | triple checks that he can still login to the thing |
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| 08:39.20 | MaceSyn | nice |
| 08:39.38 | MaceSyn | i built oidentd on my synology using gcc and make... i feel like i am using 1992 slackware all over again |
| 08:39.41 | MaceSyn | :) |
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| 08:41.13 | psycho_oreos | in a miniature device |
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| 08:45.19 | MaceSyn | i guess |
| 08:45.35 | MaceSyn | i honestly was expecting the typical linux cascading dependency effect |
| 08:46.08 | MaceSyn | where src 1 requires lib 2 3 4 which all require 5 6 7 which require 8 9 10.. but 10 requires 2 so now you're stuck |
| 08:46.11 | MaceSyn | :) |
| 08:46.50 | psycho_oreos | it all depends on how its written as well as its deps :) |
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| 08:47.13 | MaceSyn | yes i know.. but you come to expect these sorts of things nowadays |
| 08:47.33 | MaceSyn | i was almost in shock when it just built and worked with no errors |
| 08:47.44 | MaceSyn | i almost felt like i was using an iDevice |
| 08:47.47 | MaceSyn | hides |
| 08:48.56 | psycho_oreos | you'll be glad to know that iSheep wishes to be a little more like N900 *ducks* |
| 08:49.32 | MaceSyn | they all do..... deep down... they all do |
| 08:49.45 | MaceSyn | ok.. Zzz time for me. have like 20 hours of file moving anyways |
| 08:50.16 | slonopotamus | yawns |
| 08:50.21 | psycho_oreos | joy |
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| 08:50.57 | Macer | not really |
| 08:51.14 | Macer | i am getting 35MB/s xfers from my synology |
| 08:51.26 | Macer | i need to figure out how to speed it up |
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| 08:56.19 | freemangordon | Estel_ hi |
| 08:56.23 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I'm here |
| 08:56.25 | Estel_ | hello |
| 08:56.52 | Estel_ | to Your service, as Djiinis use to say |
| 08:56.56 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 08:57.17 | freemangordon | so, what exactly happens under which conditions . i.e. is there a charger attached when trying to shutdown, how do you try to shutdown, etc. ? |
| 08:57.51 | Estel_ | ok. I've tested it without charger/anything on usb port in every situation |
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| 08:58.18 | Estel_ | as for shutdown, I tried with both reboot from terminal, and by using powerkey button |
| 08:58.28 | Estel_ | the latter is my usual way of doing it |
| 08:58.49 | Estel_ | (I've commented out reboot from powerkey menu settings file) |
| 08:58.56 | freemangordon | you mean you are trying to reboot, but instad the device powers off? |
| 08:59.12 | Estel_ | under all rebooting condition, I get errors You've already seen on photolog |
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| 08:59.19 | Estel_ | not exactly. |
| 08:59.31 | Estel_ | device shut down, then, start to reeboot |
| 08:59.35 | Estel_ | reboot* |
| 08:59.41 | Estel_ | Nokia logo appeara |
| 08:59.43 | freemangordon | so what, i still fail to understand what exactly happens |
| 08:59.47 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:59.50 | Estel_ | followed by framebufer output |
| 09:00.03 | Estel_ | You've seen this output in photolog |
| 09:00.08 | freemangordon | sure |
| 09:00.20 | Estel_ | without fbcon of course there is no output |
| 09:00.32 | Estel_ | and, shut itself down coz it entered state shutdown |
| 09:00.50 | freemangordon | ok, got it |
| 09:00.50 | freemangordon | so |
| 09:00.50 | Estel_ | AFAIK, every device affected by this bug act like that |
| 09:01.24 | freemangordon | is there a way to make a video of console output right after reboot command is issued |
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| 09:01.48 | slonopotamus | freemangordon: chvt to it? |
| 09:02.02 | freemangordon | no |
| 09:02.06 | freemangordon | no need |
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| 09:02.24 | slonopotamus | ah, misread your msg |
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| 09:03.25 | freemangordon | with fb enabled after X has gone south messages appear |
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| 09:03.38 | freemangordon | in framebuffer console |
| 09:03.45 | Estel_ | erm |
| 09:03.54 | Estel_ | the same second i issue reboot |
| 09:03.58 | Estel_ | device goes down |
| 09:04.07 | Estel_ | no fm output until past nokia logo |
| 09:04.15 | Estel_ | fb output* |
| 09:04.20 | Estel_ | as for video |
| 09:04.22 | freemangordon | hmm, that is very strange |
| 09:04.41 | Estel_ | if You issue reboot, You got fb output? |
| 09:04.45 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 09:04.54 | freemangordon | from ssh terminal |
| 09:05.05 | Estel_ | strange, it worked for me like way it is even before I get affected by this bug |
| 09:05.14 | Estel_ | oh shit |
| 09:05.25 | Estel_ | of course I'll try from ssh |
| 09:05.36 | freemangordon | let me check what happens if i issue reboot from xterm |
| 09:06.03 | Estel_ | but, as for video, You mean I'm going to have output video from ssh terminal, or from device screen itself? |
| 09:06.06 | Estel_ | ok |
| 09:06.12 | freemangordon | from device screen |
| 09:06.23 | freemangordon | fbcon is still alive |
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| 09:06.40 | Estel_ | as for video, I've tried it, but my camera got crappy video mode - no way to make it sharp on such fast rolling messages |
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| 09:07.06 | Estel_ | thats why I spended hour or so catching photos ands doing photolog |
| 09:07.36 | freemangordon | yeah, the same from xterm, fbcon messages appear in a second or so |
| 09:07.38 | Estel_ | N900 got better video recording, thanks to one guy You may not heard of ;) but I have not second N900 to film screen of first one |
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| 09:07.43 | Estel_ | hm |
| 09:07.53 | freemangordon | :D |
| 09:08.04 | Estel_ | at least until I arrange mirror aparature ;) |
| 09:08.16 | Estel_ | let me check reboot from ssh, wait |
| 09:08.35 | freemangordon | doesn't your camera has capability to capture video? |
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| 09:25.15 | bindi_ | hey |
| 09:25.28 | bindi_ | mobile hotspot doesnt work, got the power kernel |
| 09:25.48 | bindi_ | no encryption, ap doesnt show up on friends phone |
| 09:26.37 | bindi_ | latest cssu too |
| 09:27.08 | psycho_oreos | hotspot on N900 is only ad-hoc mode |
| 09:28.04 | bindi_ | hmm? so can my friend connect to me or not |
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| 09:29.37 | Estel_ | freemangordon, sorry for long delay, had to test several reboots |
| 09:29.54 | Estel_ | You're right, there is fbcon output after reboot |
| 09:30.09 | Estel_ | many times it's just covered by nokia logo tearing |
| 09:30.44 | Estel_ | actually, when I tested it before, it was so covered by tearing screen, that I got no idea framebuffer is there |
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| 09:31.06 | Estel_ | but, once for 3 reboots I got output clean to the point, thqt I can make photolog of it |
| 09:31.46 | Estel_ | BTW, does power menu reboot button works the same way as reboot command, or is it different? after reboot from power menu, I don't see framebuffer |
| 09:32.41 | freemangordon | seems no, that is why i told you to reboot from terminal |
| 09:32.56 | freemangordon | is it the same when rebooted from terminal |
| 09:32.58 | freemangordon | ? |
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| 09:34.28 | Estel_ | unfortunately, yes |
| 09:34.54 | Estel_ | I mean shutdowning, havent compared full fbcon output yet |
| 09:35.02 | Estel_ | but final result is same |
| 09:35.12 | freemangordon | no, that is good, we can have pre-reboot fbcon output |
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| 09:37.18 | Estel_ | ok, I'll try to photo it, right? |
| 09:37.37 | Estel_ | also, there really isn't any way to dump it instead of photo'ing? ;) |
| 09:37.43 | freemangordon | su. but you can just upload video somewhere, will be faster |
| 09:37.46 | freemangordon | sure* |
| 09:37.48 | Estel_ | some magic command or what |
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| 09:37.58 | freemangordon | there should be |
| 09:37.58 | Estel_ | as i said video is too blurry |
| 09:38.08 | Estel_ | no way to read output |
| 09:38.19 | freemangordon | it does not make sense then |
| 09:38.21 | Estel_ | so i must take photos |
| 09:38.41 | Estel_ | hm |
| 09:39.25 | freemangordon | isn't there some option on your camera to lower the resolution, hoping for higher framerate? |
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| 09:40.21 | freemangordon | BTW let me chech if console messages could be redirected to a file |
| 09:43.25 | Estel_ | would love to (second option) |
| 09:44.31 | Estel_ | as for camera, I'm using N900 for most things, so my compact camera got only two video modes, crappy 640x480 and 320x240. And it's 10mp camera, lol! |
| 09:45.00 | Estel_ | i can't even change focus in video mode. |
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| 09:45.16 | Estel_ | so, close to screen is blurry, and far from it is too small. |
| 09:45.29 | Estel_ | on the other hand, taking photos is quite good thus photolog |
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| 09:45.58 | Estel_ | but, honestly again, I would preffer doing that with N900. In this single case I can't |
| 09:46.40 | freemangordon | ok, try to make a photo of last messgaes before reboot, I cannot find a way to redirect console to a file. |
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| 09:47.08 | Estel_ | roger that, brb |
| 09:47.17 | vi__ | freemangordon: |
| 09:47.20 | vi__ | freemangordon: yo |
| 09:47.34 | freemangordon | hi |
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| 09:48.12 | freemangordon | vi__, I think i smash famous "reboot instead of shutdown" KP bug |
| 09:48.28 | vi__ | freemangordon: For 1000s of years ancient folk wisdom told us no device could SR over 805. You programming heracy has smashed our TMO dogma. |
| 09:48.50 | vi__ | They are going to write folk songs about you to be passed to our children. |
| 09:48.58 | freemangordon | :D :D :D |
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| 09:49.38 | vi__ | freemangordon: I am intrigued, what is the cause of the ancient bug? |
| 09:49.52 | freemangordon | it needs some more tweaking, but yeah, in general seems to work |
| 09:50.02 | freemangordon | hostmode ;) |
| 09:50.06 | vi__ | LOOOL |
| 09:50.11 | vi__ | L O L |
| 09:50.18 | freemangordon | AIUI |
| 09:51.03 | freemangordon | If you have time look at usbhostmode.diff |
| 09:51.19 | freemangordon | from debian/patches |
| 09:51.22 | freemangordon | in KP |
| 09:51.30 | vi__ | ...ya |
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| 09:52.06 | freemangordon | search for musb_platform_resume |
| 09:52.42 | freemangordon | USB resumed but... guess |
| 09:53.16 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: are you working on the hostmode patch? |
| 09:53.29 | freemangordon | no |
| 09:53.39 | freemangordon | why? |
| 09:54.04 | merlin1991 | because you want to smash the kp bug? :D |
| 09:54.18 | freemangordon | Just this bug which was driving me crasy for about an year |
| 09:54.18 | merlin1991 | err pk |
| 09:54.55 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 09:55.12 | freemangordon | I've already discussed it with joerg |
| 09:55.30 | merlin1991 | it's something else I want to ask :) |
| 09:55.35 | freemangordon | ok |
| 09:56.08 | vi__ | well done freeman |
| 09:56.17 | vi__ | a hearty congratulations is in order |
| 09:56.59 | vi__ | I also have a (somwhat less) exciting discovery in the pipeline... |
| 09:57.11 | freemangordon | And the winner is? |
| 09:57.56 | vi__ | The maemo boot sequance (simplified) goes - boot stuff>5 dots>hildon home |
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| 09:58.37 | freemangordon | a bug there? |
| 09:58.39 | vi__ | The 5 dots is actually a short session of matchbox WM. It is started and then killed before hildon home etc is loaded |
| 09:58.48 | freemangordon | yeah, sure |
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| 09:59.04 | vi__ | this Matchbox session is to 'contain' the 5 dots program |
| 09:59.13 | vi__ | and the pin code request program |
| 09:59.32 | vi__ | 5 dots gets killed when hildon home is ready to start |
| 09:59.49 | vi__ | AND pin entry is complete (or not required) |
| 09:59.50 | freemangordon | so? |
| 10:00.00 | vi__ | It is extremely easy to hijack this session |
| 10:00.07 | vi__ | For example you can start xterm |
| 10:00.18 | vi__ | instead of the 5 dots |
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| 10:00.28 | vi__ | consider this |
| 10:00.49 | vi__ | in act dead mode, the 5 dots runs continually except the screen is switched off. |
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| 10:01.22 | vi__ | It is rather easy to keep the screen on and display conky with a huge clock and a battery charging graphic to display how much the battery is charged |
| 10:01.38 | freemangordon | ahaa, got the idea |
| 10:01.44 | vi__ | Or anything for that matter |
| 10:01.59 | vi__ | it is a 'free' short lived xsession just for the taking. |
| 10:02.09 | vi__ | Consider this... |
| 10:02.24 | freemangordon | but afaik in act dead it only programs chargers and switch the device off |
| 10:02.48 | vi__ | no, the device is booted to the 5 dots. All radios off. |
| 10:03.03 | vi__ | screen off and keypad lock blocked. |
| 10:03.15 | freemangordon | sure? |
| 10:03.23 | freemangordon | sshd running? |
| 10:03.45 | vi__ | no, but that is easily remedied. |
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| 10:04.03 | vi__ | You can set it to have USB networking probably. |
| 10:04.30 | vi__ | Forgot your password? No problem, I have a secret telnet backdoor... |
| 10:04.42 | freemangordon | :D |
| 10:04.42 | vi__ | ^(ssh backdoor) |
| 10:04.58 | vi__ | (but telnet is moar LOLsy) |
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| 10:06.00 | vi__ | So pin request program can possibly be removed and replaced with another 'security' entry method. |
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| 10:06.14 | vi__ | join the dots |
| 10:06.42 | vi__ | photo of face for computer vision analysis |
| 10:06.48 | vi__ | blah blah blah |
| 10:07.37 | vi__ | Or perhaps allow ANY pin code however if you get the wrong one it takes a photo of your face (front cam) and does the whole reverse ssh to your home IP with GPS tracking etc etc. |
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| 10:10.24 | vi__ | freemangordon: is it possible to set bootstate? I.e. change it from ACT_DEAD to BOOT from a script? |
| 10:10.46 | freemangordon | yeah, it is a file sowhere in /var/.. |
| 10:12.16 | vi__ | Cool, I will put a line in pre-init that sets it to BOOT before it actually checks. No more ACT_DEAD mode. Plug it in and SHAZZAM, power up. |
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| 10:26.11 | merlin1991 | vi__ is doing them haxx |
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| 10:26.58 | Estel_ | freemangordon, oh man, that was a ride |
| 10:27.18 | Estel_ | I'm afraid it's going to give You a headache |
| 10:27.54 | Estel_ | There are differences between outpus after reboot |
| 10:28.15 | Estel_ | I mean that, despite it being simillar, some (crucial?) parts behave differently |
| 10:28.28 | Estel_ | I photographed as much as I can, uploading now |
| 10:28.51 | Estel_ | by the way, I got ~30% of sucessful reboots lol |
| 10:29.39 | Estel_ | unfortunately, no idea which photo belong to right ones, but I'll mark outputs that for 100% belongs to buggy shutdown ones |
| 10:35.39 | vi__ | merlin1991: certainly am! |
| 10:36.08 | vi__ | Estel_: POP QUIZ. What should be in place of the 5 dots startup? |
| 10:38.03 | Estel_ | vi_, framebuffer output continued ;) |
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| 10:38.08 | Estel_ | vi__, i mean |
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| 10:39.02 | vi__ | Estel_: lolz |
| 10:39.34 | vi__ | Estel_: and have pin request a shell login? |
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| 10:41.24 | Estel_ | vi__, hahaha. why not. Ho ever, I'm serious about fb output, I want to see it to moment before lock code prompt appear ;) |
| 10:41.35 | Estel_ | freemangordon, are You there? |
| 10:43.47 | vi__ | Estel_: we could potentially remove the 5 dots. |
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| 10:44.15 | vi__ | Estel_: that would make the loading of the pin code request possibly load faster. |
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| 10:54.30 | Estel_ | vi__, isn't it just covering some things? i.e something loading in background, and then five dots? |
| 10:54.41 | Estel_ | freemangordon, photolog -> |
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| 10:55.15 | Estel_ | (this one is for sure before failed reboot) http://lorienart.pl/cover/pre-restart.jpg |
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| 10:56.02 | Estel_ | This one I don't know, might be from working reboot situation http://lorienart.pl/cover/pre-restart1.jpg |
| 10:56.19 | Estel_ | funny, when fatal errors is there, reboot suceed (probably) |
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| 10:56.38 | vi__ | Estel_: nope, 5 dots is 'just to show somthing onscreen'...so there is somthing on the screen. |
| 10:57.06 | Estel_ | so +1 for removing |
| 10:58.45 | Estel_ | vi__, do You use latest pk49 and CSSU and 720p recording? |
| 10:58.55 | Estel_ | and do You have nmap installed? |
| 11:04.06 | freemangordon | Estel pong |
| 11:04.19 | freemangordon | Estel_^^^ |
| 11:04.45 | Estel_ | freemangordon, I just sent You pm with same data ;) |
| 11:04.58 | freemangordon | Sorry, were smashing another bug, lagacy from omap1 |
| 11:05.06 | Estel_ | heh, no worries |
| 11:05.11 | freemangordon | ok, thanks, will look at it |
| 11:05.52 | Estel_ | hehe, in meantime I was checking why the hell my pulseaudio is listening on port 4713 from outside world |
| 11:06.11 | Estel_ | discovered it by accident via nmap, forget to exclude myself from port scanning |
| 11:06.13 | Estel_ | ok |
| 11:06.29 | Estel_ | I'll be available via PM, if You need any further data |
| 11:07.34 | Estel_ | vi__, or anyone else qho is using kp49 - could You please install nmap package and use following command: |
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| 11:09.36 | Estel_ | nmap 7.7.7.54 -p1-6000 -sV --version-intensity 1 -sC |
| 11:09.57 | Estel_ | ...and check if You have any open port that is listed as "unknown"? |
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| 11:10.49 | Estel_ | I'm suspecting some package might have included security hole or even backdoor on purpose, and need help determining what is responsible |
| 11:11.23 | Estel_ | so, if anyone interested in helping, please send me output of mentioned nmap command as PM in forum (Estel) |
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| 12:07.50 | kwtm2 | Hi. Can I get clarification: does the N9 (not N900) run Symbian or Meego? I'm confused. [repeated --apparently I had been devoiced before] |
| 12:08.32 | vi__ | lol |
| 12:08.35 | vi__ | neither |
| 12:08.57 | vi__ | n9 runs a bastard cross of maemo and meego. |
| 12:09.09 | kwtm2 | vi__: Thx for the clarification. |
| 12:09.31 | vi__ | It is NOT meego. It is NOT symbian. It is kinda maemo. |
| 12:09.57 | vi__ | Half maemo. |
| 12:10.00 | vi__ | half meego |
| 12:10.04 | vi__ | ALL suck. |
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| 12:10.40 | vi__ | What is the fastest/safest way to discharge the n900 battery? |
| 12:10.47 | vi__ | (in the n900) |
| 12:11.58 | kwtm2 | vi__: From my experience, turn on the Tuner application, hook up to wifi and turn on GPS where it can't reach the satellites. |
| 12:12.00 | kwtm2 | :P |
| 12:12.12 | andre__ | kwtm2: the N9 runs "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan" |
| 12:12.21 | kwtm2 | Or, actually, instead of Tuner, use camera in video mode. |
| 12:12.24 | kwtm2 | andre__: Thx. |
| 12:14.11 | vi__ | So screen on max, wifi on&scanning, video camera recording, gps on, 3G endlessly scanning. |
| 12:14.55 | kwtm2 | vi__: Not sure what you mean by "wifi on & scanning" -- if you mean "looking for a connection", then it's faster if you're actually connected and transferring data, if you can make that happen. |
| 12:15.11 | kwtm2 | E.g. if you are next to a basement wifi router, you can have wifi but no GPS. |
| 12:15.26 | vi__ | I mean: |
| 12:15.34 | vi__ | while true |
| 12:15.40 | vi__ | wlan0 scan |
| 12:16.24 | vi__ | You say it costs more power to transfer packets than to scan for AP? |
| 12:16.33 | kwtm2 | I suspect so but not sure, |
| 12:16.54 | vi__ | +FM transmitter |
| 12:17.05 | kwtm2 | OH yeah, that too. Bluetooth while you're at it. |
| 12:17.08 | vi__ | +Smart reflex off. |
| 12:17.20 | vi__ | Bluetooth and FM cannot co-exist. |
| 12:17.23 | kwtm2 | I guess you might as well play sounds loudly, too. |
| 12:17.27 | kwtm2 | Oh, didn't know that. |
| 12:17.34 | kwtm2 | brb |
| 12:17.54 | vi__ | Cannot be as obtrusive as playing sounds. |
| 12:23.50 | vi__ | If I stop BME while the n900 is plugged in & charging will the n900 stop charging? |
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| 12:25.54 | LaoLang_cool | Is there a sms counter for N900? |
| 12:26.46 | LaoLang_cool | And gprs traffic monitor? |
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| 12:32.32 | vi__ | GPRS traffic monitor is built in. CHeck in settings. There is also some widget for your desktop. |
| 12:32.49 | vi__ | Dunno about sms counter, does nto sound familiar. |
| 12:36.41 | LaoLang_cool | vi__: where is it in settings? I can't find it |
| 12:38.02 | LaoLang_cool | And what nto is? |
| 12:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pong |
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| 12:39.28 | MohammadAG | Yay, first clearance delay in tel aviv |
| 12:39.28 | MohammadAG | Another 3 should be normal |
| 12:39.57 | MohammadAG | Then ill start worrying |
| 12:40.12 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: mp sources still missing ;) |
| 12:40.26 | MohammadAG | merlin1991: I have uni right now |
| 12:40.31 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, aholler, SpeedEvil and others involved - thanks for help in debugging 4713 pulseaudio open port issue |
| 12:40.37 | MohammadAG | Till at least another hour 20 |
| 12:40.47 | Estel_ | I was able to find out how to disable it, finally |
| 12:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, so enlighten us |
| 12:41.41 | Estel_ | one need to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa and /etc/pulse/system.pa and in 'Other modules' comment out whole IF dedicated to: |
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| 12:41.48 | Estel_ | load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=0 |
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| 12:42.14 | Estel_ | setting auth-anonymous to 0 or 1 doesn't affect port opened for every client adress |
| 12:42.44 | Estel_ | so it was not security hole or backdoor on purpose, and got nothing to do with power kernel ;) |
| 12:43.29 | Estel_ | there are 2 settings related to tcp in default and system .pa's |
| 12:43.44 | Estel_ | native and cli |
| 12:44.01 | Estel_ | latter listen on port 4072 and is disabled by default (commented out) |
| 12:44.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=5314966720%0D%0A |
| 12:44.25 | Estel_ | I have no idea, why on my device module for tcp was enabled by default |
| 12:44.54 | Estel_ | and, if it is enabled also for other ppl, why it listened. I just think that maybe KP updated tcp module? |
| 12:45.26 | Estel_ | even if yes, it's rather bug with that port, not backdoor, as only one thking one could achieve with it is sending sound to my N900 |
| 12:45.33 | Estel_ | :P |
| 12:46.14 | Estel_ | Unless it's sound of love making in background of conversation with my wife, no much possible harm scenarios |
| 12:47.06 | Estel_ | still, I would not have find it without aholler and Your help |
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| 12:47.51 | Estel_ | I enlightened myself by reading pulseaudio documentation (come to conclusion that it's feature, not bug) and get back to files where tcp was grep'able |
| 12:48.26 | Estel_ | by the way, does anyone know difference between terminal reboot command and reboot button in power key menu? |
| 12:48.48 | Estel_ | with fbcon enabled, reboot command gives pre-shutdown frames on screen |
| 12:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | good, so now we need sb to grep across all *install scripts in all repos, to find pkgs that touch that file |
| 12:49.31 | Estel_ | while reboot from power key menu does not, and seems faster. Which makes me worry that it's shutdowning device hard way |
| 12:50.26 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, lol. In fact, You got pont there, but I would check first if other people without open port got this IF also enabled |
| 12:50.45 | Estel_ | if so, it means that we need to check which package change module itself, instead of conf file |
| 12:51.12 | Estel_ | and not every package in every repo, just ones I got installed at some point ;) |
| 12:51.54 | Estel_ | which, surprisingly, is quite easy to document ;) I'm not install-whole-repo-and-check-after-if-You-need-it type |
| 12:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: waiiiiiit! you got all your pre/post-install scripts still on your device I guess |
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| 12:56.42 | Estel_ | some package that I installed and get rid of later could do something and not clear it after uninstallation, but, there are only few such packages and even less that could mess with pulseaudio |
| 12:56.59 | Estel_ | btw, You're right that it's worth a try with currently installed ones |
| 12:57.07 | Estel_ | any idea for smart grep command? |
| 12:57.42 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: if n900 is charging and I stop bme will n900 stop charging? |
| 12:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | grep <basename-of-file-that-got-altered> -r /* |
| 12:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | not vey smart, but unbeatable in comprehensiveness |
| 12:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: yes |
| 12:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | after max 30s |
| 13:01.13 | Estel_ | but, with bme disabled, You can use charge.sh script |
| 13:01.45 | Estel_ | grep default.pa -r /* |
| 13:01.47 | Estel_ | yes? |
| 13:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | try it |
| 13:02.15 | Estel_ | not any way to tighten it to install scripts? ;) |
| 13:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | will take 'a while' |
| 13:02.21 | Estel_ | too* |
| 13:02.23 | Estel_ | yea |
| 13:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | first approach /var |
| 13:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | /var/cache ? |
| 13:03.16 | Estel_ | too late, already started whole ;) |
| 13:03.33 | Estel_ | I think excluding vfats could be also good idea |
| 13:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 13:03.49 | Estel_ | but NFC how to prepare command like that |
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| 13:04.44 | vi__ | How about this for an idea. |
| 13:05.25 | vi__ | When you start the device in ACT_DEAD mode it goes to a screen that has an option (or two) that allows either: |
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| 13:05.35 | vi__ | 1. Normal ACT_DEAD recharge. |
| 13:06.26 | vi__ | 2. Battery capacity learn mode. i.e. charge to full(ish) then discharge to learn level then charge to full again. |
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| 13:08.04 | Estel_ | vi__, quite good idea, but instead of every-time menu |
| 13:08.20 | Estel_ | I would rather do it as command from early recovery shell console |
| 13:08.29 | vi__ | eh? |
| 13:08.36 | vi__ | You misunderstand |
| 13:08.54 | Estel_ | I mean every time when You charge |
| 13:09.00 | Estel_ | it's non conveinent |
| 13:09.20 | vi__ | ACT_DEAD mode is when you plug in n900 while it is switched off. |
| 13:09.42 | vi__ | It merely gives you the choice of learn charge with an onscreen button. |
| 13:09.49 | Estel_ | I would rather like to start device, enter console, connect, and invoke script/command/whatever, that do calibration |
| 13:09.50 | vi__ | Otherwise it will just charge notmally |
| 13:09.54 | Estel_ | I know |
| 13:10.21 | Estel_ | or instead of script/command, just option in early boot recovery menu |
| 13:10.47 | Estel_ | I quite don't like idea of on-screen promp every time I connect off device to charger |
| 13:11.06 | Estel_ | also, how do You plan to actually discharg it in act dead? |
| 13:11.12 | vi__ | Estel_: you can just ignore it and after 10seconds it disappears... |
| 13:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | grep -H default.pa `find / -xdev -size -5k` |
| 13:11.21 | Estel_ | thats better idea |
| 13:11.29 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks, trying |
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| 13:11.58 | Estel_ | vi__, btw how do You plan to discharge it? by backlight/keylight etc? can take quite long time |
| 13:12.12 | Estel_ | some loop to keep cpu usage high would be better ;) |
| 13:12.32 | vi__ | Estel_: Wifi monitor mode, backlight max, play video, FM XT on (maybe), etc, etc... |
| 13:12.48 | Estel_ | then, slowly disable cpu, then backlight etc, to not reach under 3v too early |
| 13:12.57 | Estel_ | video from act-dead?! |
| 13:13.05 | vi__ | Estel_: ya. |
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| 13:13.13 | Estel_ | if its posible, thats ok |
| 13:14.24 | vi__ | It could take 4-5 hours to drain the mutha then 1-2 to charge it. This is a 'on nightstand@sleepy time ' kind of thing. |
| 13:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: please first make a very normal script to do all this, then when that works in normal mode, you can deal with implementing/integrating it to act_dead |
| 13:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | charging always takes at least 2h |
| 13:16.23 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, command not working |
| 13:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | after 1h you never see better than 70% |
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| 13:16.31 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: yar. Incremental development. |
| 13:16.32 | Estel_ | grep -H default.pa `find / -xdev -size -5k |
| 13:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | add a ` at end |
| 13:17.00 | Estel_ | gives me another prompt starting with > No idea what it is |
| 13:17.08 | vi__ | BME pumps in what 750mA? into a 1500mA battery around 2Hr sounds about right. |
| 13:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | enter a ` |
| 13:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | and that >prompt |
| 13:17.25 | Estel_ | vi__, bme puts 950 but not whole charging |
| 13:17.43 | Estel_ | li-ions are charged differently |
| 13:17.55 | Estel_ | after reaching high volt it enter saturation charge |
| 13:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | CCCV |
| 13:18.00 | Estel_ | ? |
| 13:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | ConstCurrent-ConstVolt |
| 13:18.29 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I have just figured out how to hi-jack 5 dots screen and ACT_DEAD. |
| 13:18.42 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: toying with ideas of what to do with it. |
| 13:18.59 | Estel_ | argument too long |
| 13:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 13:19.35 | vi__ | Estel_: 950 0_0' ! |
| 13:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | find / -xdev -size -5k -exec "grep -H default.pa {} ; " |
| 13:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | but then -exec doesn't work on MESSYbox :-S |
| 13:21.15 | Estel_ | I hope that it isn't revolwer-spinning command (silly joke) |
| 13:21.36 | Estel_ | actually, it works |
| 13:21.44 | Estel_ | just need argument for -exec |
| 13:22.06 | Estel_ | find: -exec requires an argument |
| 13:22.25 | Estel_ | vi__, yes if You're using capable charger |
| 13:22.44 | Estel_ | but as joerg_rw said |
| 13:23.03 | Estel_ | constCurrent-ConstVolt |
| 13:23.11 | Estel_ | so more You put into it from start |
| 13:23.18 | Estel_ | the longer saturation part is |
| 13:24.19 | Estel_ | advantage is, that LiPo live much, much longer (and age less, much less) if You use them between 20-80% i.e charge when they reach min 20% and charge to no more than 80% |
| 13:25.00 | Estel_ | in industry, where long-life is important for cost-effectives, they never charge lipo to more than 80% and discharge to less than 20% |
| 13:25.23 | SpeedEvil | You can do this with your thinkpad. |
| 13:25.39 | SpeedEvil | My battery is set to charge to maximum 70% |
| 13:26.13 | Estel_ | nice, would love it for my notebook... |
| 13:26.29 | Estel_ | also, to not charge it while on AC |
| 13:26.42 | Estel_ | i.e charge only when it reaches lets say 30% |
| 13:26.52 | Estel_ | so no charging from 65% to 70% |
| 13:26.56 | Estel_ | and so goes on |
| 13:27.02 | Estel_ | You know what I mean |
| 13:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: find / -xdev -size -5k -exec grep -H default.pa "{}" ";" 2>/dev/null |
| 13:27.32 | Estel_ | it's battery killer, my XPS m1530 85Wh battery got now almost 50Wh only due to this |
| 13:28.00 | Estel_ | ok performing search |
| 13:28.11 | Estel_ | btw what was that strange > prompt? |
| 13:28.18 | Estel_ | silly question, probably |
| 13:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | "unclosed `bracket` " |
| 13:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | print "test |
| 13:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | more test |
| 13:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | " |
| 13:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | s/print/echo/ |
| 13:30.14 | vi__ | Well 1500mAh bl-5j batteries are common as bird shit. So I am leaning towards Maxmimum battery life at the expense of BATTERY life.(!) |
| 13:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | or basically the answer is: $PS3 |
| 13:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | err $PS2 |
| 13:30.57 | vi__ | Estel_: rip it open and re-cell that mutha. |
| 13:31.00 | LaoLang_cool | How to export contacts to .vcf on n900? |
| 13:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | via menu |
| 13:32.00 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: thank you! |
| 13:32.03 | Estel_ | vi__, in fact none of battery is 1500 except scuds, that for short time was unavailable |
| 13:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: PS2="please close whatever you've opened" |
| 13:32.14 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, got lotta hell of results |
| 13:32.22 | Estel_ | I see :D |
| 13:32.33 | Estel_ | and what could be put in that another promp? |
| 13:32.40 | Estel_ | closing character? |
| 13:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | which one? PS4? |
| 13:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 13:33.04 | Estel_ | vi__, as for notebook, You're right about re-cell |
| 13:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | PS1 is your normal prompt |
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| 13:33.18 | Estel_ | PS2? |
| 13:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: PS2="please close whatever you've opened >" |
| 13:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | echo "test |
| 13:33.36 | vi__ | Estel_: scuds are easy to get. You just have to buy more than 1 at once (which suits me fine). |
| 13:33.48 | Estel_ | vi__, not exactly |
| 13:33.55 | Estel_ | blue scuds are now 1200 mAh |
| 13:34.00 | Estel_ | all available |
| 13:34.27 | Estel_ | they made it thinner, cause many customers complained about it being to thick to fit in dumbphones |
| 13:34.52 | Estel_ | now one need to buy yellow scuds 1445 mAh and in aliexpress only lucialui got it |
| 13:35.06 | Estel_ | they're basically same cell as old scuds, but with different label ;) |
| 13:35.16 | Estel_ | but they're costing more |
| 13:35.30 | LaoLang_cool | Can I export contacts in .csv format? |
| 13:35.39 | Estel_ | basically, because only one seller sell them, otherwise they're for chineese market only |
| 13:36.12 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, latest command is giving so much results |
| 13:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: I don't think so |
| 13:36.19 | Estel_ | that I think something is wrong |
| 13:36.24 | vi__ | Those yellow skinned sons of bitches |
| 13:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | at least not without "tricks" |
| 13:36.27 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: hmm |
| 13:36.31 | Estel_ | maybe it looks for default or pa? ;) |
| 13:36.36 | vi__ | I am of course referring to the yellow skinned scud batteries. |
| 13:36.54 | Estel_ | vi__, of course ;) |
| 13:36.58 | LaoLang_cool | one contact, one .vcf file. I want a one file solution :) |
| 13:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: minfd to paste one or two lines? |
| 13:37.09 | Estel_ | of course I can |
| 13:37.33 | Estel_ | /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/japan:default partial xkb_compatibility "japan" { |
| 13:37.35 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 13:37.46 | Estel_ | /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/accessx:default partial xkb_compatibility "basic" { |
| 13:38.01 | Estel_ | /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/scapy/layers/l2.py: def default_payload_class(self, pay): |
| 13:38.06 | Estel_ | and so goes on |
| 13:38.12 | vi__ | how much is a yellow scid these days? |
| 13:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 13:38.23 | Estel_ | I must admit, it also listed history of my leafpad edits to default.pa |
| 13:38.27 | Estel_ | but, otherwise |
| 13:38.36 | vi__ | ^scud |
| 13:38.45 | Estel_ | lotta hell of trash. Thanks anyway, I've nfc how to prepare such commandes |
| 13:38.49 | Estel_ | commands* |
| 13:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | -F |
| 13:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | find / -xdev -size -5k -exec grep -FH default.pa "{}" ";" 2>/dev/null |
| 13:42.04 | Estel_ | vi__, 13.47$ for one, 24.61$ for two, 22.11$ per two when ordering min. 10 at once |
| 13:42.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, testing |
| 13:43.22 | Estel_ | it works and perform |
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| 13:43.55 | Estel_ | first results coming out, still search |
| 13:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# find / -xdev -size -5k -exec grep -FH default.pa "{}" ";" 2>/dev/null |
| 13:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.list:/etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.conffiles:/etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pulseaudio:pulseaudio: script-not-executable ./etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# |
| 13:44.30 | Estel_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.list:/etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:45.00 | Estel_ | I'm on /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.conffiles:/etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | if the "hacker" got nasty, he introduced a second level of obfuscation |
| 13:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | easy to do |
| 13:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | f=dafault |
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| 13:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | f=$f.pa |
| 13:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | do_nasty_hack_to $f |
| 13:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | or simply tar it |
| 13:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | or delete the script doing the hack when it's done |
| 13:47.54 | Estel_ | /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pulseaudio:pulseaudio: script-not-executable ./etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:48.11 | Estel_ | it seems i dont have this |
| 13:48.18 | Estel_ | still searching |
| 13:48.30 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I really doubt its hack, no use for that |
| 13:48.34 | Estel_ | rather some bug |
| 13:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, not in /var, or not in plain text form |
| 13:48.48 | Estel_ | or at worst security hole by some not bright dev |
| 13:49.16 | Estel_ | Finally it found |
| 13:49.24 | Estel_ | /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pulseaudio:pulseaudio: script-not-executable ./etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:49.29 | Estel_ | aqnd ash history |
| 13:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: nonetheless it's exactly what I'd expect for that PoC hack I heard of, commented like # now let's test maemo repo QA |
| 13:49.33 | Estel_ | of my leafpad edits |
| 13:49.36 | Estel_ | and, its all |
| 13:49.47 | Estel_ | finished |
| 13:50.00 | Estel_ | maybe |
| 13:50.05 | Estel_ | but You haven't told me |
| 13:50.14 | Estel_ | if Your /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 13:50.16 | Estel_ | and system.pa |
| 13:50.26 | Estel_ | contain such if to load tcp module |
| 13:50.34 | Estel_ | cause i suspect everyone may be having it |
| 13:50.39 | Estel_ | and in such case |
| 13:50.51 | Estel_ | I need to search for package that updated this module |
| 13:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: just one single chance: reflash rotfs, reinstall pkg by pkg, and check the corruption-prone file after each install |
| 13:51.22 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: have fun with that. |
| 13:51.24 | Estel_ | no way :P |
| 13:52.13 | vi__ | Estel_: how certain are you that ALL blue scuds now suck? |
| 13:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: *I* have fun with stuff like that: first step: start a script with initify call in it, that also sigstops dpkg, apt, plus any other running task |
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| 13:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | except self and xterm and a few system processes |
| 13:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | inotifywait --help |
| 13:54.25 | Estel_ | vi__, totally certain |
| 13:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's sufficient to hardcode TASKS_TO_STOP="apt-get dpkg hildon-app-manager" |
| 13:54.41 | Estel_ | You can read about story of finding it in 3000mah battery mod thread |
| 13:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | and then rise a fat alarm as soon as the file gets touched |
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| 13:54.59 | Estel_ | I discovered it, others confirmed, sellers confirmed, SCUD confirmed |
| 13:55.12 | vi__ | bastards |
| 13:55.38 | vi__ | Only in china whould they establish a brand then completley undermine it to make a quick buck. |
| 13:55.45 | vi__ | ^would |
| 13:56.18 | vi__ | Estel what stuff have you installed that would dick with pulse? |
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| 13:56.26 | Estel_ | I really believe that idiots complained about fat batteries |
| 13:56.27 | vi__ | audioboost script thing? |
| 13:56.30 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 13:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | stares in disbelief at some guys talking about 6% +/- in capacity of a bat like "totally sucks" vs "ACME the ultimate best" |
| 13:56.40 | vi__ | Headphone boost script thing |
| 13:56.41 | Estel_ | vi__, I dont use audioboost script |
| 13:56.41 | vi__ | ? |
| 13:57.04 | Estel_ | 1200vs 1520 is difference between totally sucks and ultimate |
| 13:57.10 | Estel_ | cause dual battery is |
| 13:57.19 | Estel_ | 3000 mAh vs 2400 |
| 13:57.38 | Estel_ | 600 mAh is 50% of standard battery capacity |
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| 13:58.09 | vi__ | it is more like 10-12% doc |
| 13:58.14 | Estel_ | and 300 (1500 - 1200) is 25% of 1200 |
| 13:58.23 | Estel_ | and 20% of 1500 |
| 13:58.24 | vi__ | and on a power starved device, that counts. |
| 13:58.25 | Estel_ | not 6% |
| 13:58.38 | vi__ | Estel_: original battery is 1350 |
| 13:58.47 | Estel_ | on label :P |
| 13:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | you know what sucks? batteries sold as 2000mAh and actually provising 550mAh |
| 13:59.16 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, there are some that provide 400 mAh |
| 13:59.19 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 13:59.26 | Estel_ | but, scuds arent that cheap |
| 13:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah on label, in real life it's more like 1380 |
| 13:59.33 | Estel_ | to contain 1200 mAh |
| 13:59.48 | Estel_ | normally, they advertised 1420 and contained 1520 real |
| 14:00.02 | Estel_ | with change to 1200 they didn't changed pice ;) |
| 14:00.16 | Estel_ | and, 1445 now are real 1520 to, same battery |
| 14:00.24 | Estel_ | ok, I'm pff now |
| 14:00.27 | Estel_ | off* |
| 14:00.32 | Estel_ | if someone can check |
| 14:00.38 | Estel_ | system.pa and default.pa |
| 14:00.45 | Estel_ | for mentioned if and load module |
| 14:00.49 | Estel_ | I would be grateful |
| 14:00.58 | Estel_ | cause I suspect module was changed, now config |
| 14:01.01 | Estel_ | see ya! |
| 14:01.03 | vi__ | bb |
| 14:01.30 | vi__ | They could have fitted more battery in if they wanted. |
| 14:01.37 | vi__ | bastards |
| 14:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | I lost you on the module part, completely |
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| 14:07.21 | luke-jr | wee, GCC 4.5 finished |
| 14:07.46 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/gcc45/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1.tbz2 |
| 14:10.25 | MaceSyn | lol |
| 14:10.32 | MaceSyn | take like 10 days? |
| 14:11.10 | MaceSyn | hey luke-jr i built oidentd for my synology! woo :) |
| 14:11.25 | MaceSyn | i felt like i was using slackware in 1993 all over again |
| 14:11.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:11.35 | luke-jr | MaceSyn: 1 |
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| 14:12.14 | MaceSyn | wow so doing some sort of cross compiling is out of the question? |
| 14:12.31 | MaceSyn | can't you set up a cross compiler and distcc ? |
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| 14:13.45 | MaceSyn | i need to find out how to make pkgs with ipkg |
| 14:14.03 | MaceSyn | so i can pkg up my oidentd :) .. fisher price.. my first package |
| 14:18.40 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: - why - rather than the one in build-essential? |
| 14:18.44 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 14:19.29 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: what one? |
| 14:19.41 | SpeedEvil | gcc |
| 14:19.48 | luke-jr | MaceSyn: cross-distcc requires having the compiler everywhere first |
| 14:20.00 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: there is no build-essential |
| 14:20.25 | SpeedEvil | There is in the tools repo |
| 14:20.42 | luke-jr | there's a tools repo for Gentoo? |
| 14:20.51 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 14:21.04 | SpeedEvil | diddn't realise this was #gentoo |
| 14:22.28 | luke-jr | pay attention |
| 14:23.05 | MaceSyn | lol |
| 14:23.11 | MaceSyn | it is gentoo on n900 using maemo modules |
| 14:23.22 | MaceSyn | and a maemo kernel i suppose |
| 14:24.09 | luke-jr | maemo modules? |
| 14:24.35 | MaceSyn | i figured you needed the modules to get the hw working |
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| 14:26.14 | MaceSyn | i am sure you had to use some sort of disgusting hackery of maemo in order to get your gentoo abortion running on the n900 :-) |
| 14:27.02 | luke-jr | MaceSyn: Fremantle kernel built fine with GCC 4.4 at least |
| 14:27.05 | luke-jr | haven't tried building with 4.5 yer |
| 14:27.07 | luke-jr | yet& |
| 14:27.15 | luke-jr | but I imagine a MeeGo kernel might work better now |
| 14:28.51 | luke-jr | anyhow, now that I have GCC everywhere at the same version, I can cross-distcc to help a little |
| 14:28.58 | luke-jr | dunno how I'll deal with qt-webkit yet |
| 14:30.54 | MaceSyn | lol. well i am sure the distcc will help more than a little |
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| 14:31.10 | MaceSyn | but can gentoo make phone calls??? :-) |
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| 14:31.51 | luke-jr | MaceSyn: dunno, ofono 1.0 supposedly supports all 2G/3G functionality, but Nokia abandoned the N900 driver… |
| 14:32.08 | luke-jr | I only has 100 minutes anyway |
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| 14:32.24 | MaceSyn | lol |
| 14:32.32 | MaceSyn | sounds like typical nokia |
| 14:32.48 | MaceSyn | but the driver in place should still work |
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| 14:32.53 | luke-jr | ? |
| 14:32.58 | luke-jr | what driver in place? |
| 14:33.24 | MaceSyn | didnt nokia release a blob? |
| 14:33.49 | luke-jr | no? |
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| 14:34.25 | MaceSyn | oh |
| 14:34.30 | MaceSyn | you sure? |
| 14:34.49 | MaceSyn | could have sworn they did |
| 14:35.53 | MohammadAG | Blob of? |
| 14:36.29 | RST38h | Nokia Siemens to cut 17,000 jobs as part of global restructuring |
| 14:37.25 | jonwil | As far as I know no binary bits are required to use the cellular functions of the N900 with ofono except the cell modem firmware itself |
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| 14:37.50 | jonwil | ofono is GPL and contains no binary bits whatsoever |
| 14:38.30 | jonwil | bah, why did nokia have to hard-code the list of valid hwkb layouts in not ONE but TWO closed-source binaries... :( |
| 14:39.06 | MohammadAG | jonwil, what are you doing now? :P |
| 14:39.13 | vi__ | jonwil: Complete lack of future vision. |
| 14:40.10 | jonwil | looking into how hard it would be to clone western_common_vim_settings.so, libcptextinput.so and hildon-input-method-configurator.bin which would cover all the bits one needs to expand the list of valid hwkb layouts |
| 14:40.27 | jonwil | and like pretty much anything with UI, the first of the 3 is a mess |
| 14:40.39 | jonwil | I mean anything with a GTK UI |
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| 14:47.50 | jonwil | if hell freezes over and we get more N900 code, top of my wishlist are (in order) connui-*, hildon-input-method-*, icd-* :) |
| 14:48.49 | vi__ | why those particular pieces? |
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| 14:49.58 | luke-jr | jonwil: lame |
| 14:50.07 | jonwil | because all 3 are things which it would be very usefull to be able to extend and change and mess with for all sorts of reasons |
| 14:50.09 | SpeedEvil | notes the redundant bit of jonwils wishlist, and shortens to "*" |
| 14:50.10 | luke-jr | stop prioritizing useless crap |
| 14:50.19 | jonwil | What would YOU put at the top of the wishlist? |
| 14:50.23 | luke-jr | PowerVR driver. |
| 14:50.24 | SpeedEvil | What would |
| 14:50.25 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that |
| 14:50.35 | SpeedEvil | powervr driver is some orders of magnitude harder. |
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| 14:51.08 | vi__ | powervr is not even nokias |
| 14:51.16 | luke-jr | still at the top of my list. |
| 14:51.25 | jonwil | yeah but that's never going to happen and never was even when nokia was at least pretending to consider options for open-sourcing stuff. |
| 14:51.27 | luke-jr | N810 gpsdriver is next |
| 14:51.28 | vi__ | unless anonymous hacking group or somone corrupts there servers you will NEVER see code for it. |
| 14:51.46 | luke-jr | vi__: leaked code isn't useful much either |
| 14:52.00 | vi__ | luke-jr: lol orly? |
| 14:52.19 | luke-jr | I suppose someone could taint themselves and document it from the code |
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| 14:52.28 | luke-jr | and someone unrelated could use the docs to write a new one |
| 14:52.43 | vi__ | 'taint themselves'...hah! |
| 14:53.12 | vi__ | we are talking about obscure binaries from an obscure 3 year old device that has been aboinded by its manufacturer. |
| 14:53.35 | jonwil | I recon if people can figure out the NVIDIA desktop GPUs with no help from NVIDIA, there is no reason why the same couldn't be doing for PowerVR if you put in the effort |
| 14:53.41 | vi__ | You really think anyone cares enough to check for 'tainited' code let alone complain to the relevent authorities? |
| 14:54.01 | SpeedEvil | votes for luke-jr to put in the effort. |
| 14:54.08 | jonwil | "you" being "someone with the skills" |
| 14:54.20 | jonwil | IF I had the ARM ASM skills, I would try it myself |
| 14:54.22 | jonwil | but I dont |
| 14:54.24 | jonwil | :P |
| 14:54.24 | SpeedEvil | I wish there was a nice funding solution. |
| 14:54.49 | SpeedEvil | For example, I'd like to contribute $5 for a working powervr driver |
| 14:54.52 | SpeedEvil | open |
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| 14:56.48 | jonwil | maybe someone needs to set up a donation drive then, get guys interested in other phones with the same PowerVR architecture as the N900 (e.g. android phones) to contribute skills or cash or whatever |
| 14:57.07 | jonwil | and yes powervr would be my #1 wish to have |
| 14:57.14 | jonwil | but the others are my #2, #3 and #4 |
| 14:57.16 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: well we pool our money and either pay a reverse engineerer or a black hat hackerer... |
| 15:00.34 | jonwil | and yes hildon-input-method closed bits are VERY usefull to have, there is a LOT of things going on there that arent easy to replicate, same with the icd daemon and its plugins |
| 15:02.05 | jonwil | oh and I think that if someone stole PowerVR code (regardless of which chipset or device it is for) PowerVR would pursue all legal avenues they can to get it taken down and stop people using it |
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| 15:03.34 | vi__ | yeah, but once it is out there it is OUT THERE. It is a perfect spot to start creating a free alternative. |
| 15:04.43 | jonwil | suspects PowerVR would probably use their patent portfolio to shut things down if they thought there was a threat to them somehow |
| 15:04.49 | jonwil | and yes they do have one |
| 15:05.15 | vi__ | bastards |
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| 15:06.46 | jonwil | thinks he will see how hard libicd_network_wlan is to clone |
| 15:06.53 | jonwil | or to figure out |
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| 15:28.46 | vdv | anybody using mscim here? i've installed it, how should it be used? in the settings menu there's a section for mscim, but there's only two buttons |
| 15:29.18 | vdv | do i understand right, that mscim is for switching input languages? |
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| 15:44.33 | jonwil | is beginning to see why people hate GTK so much |
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| 16:16.09 | r00t|home | a what? |
| 16:16.20 | r00t|home | a "$h0w⬮"? |
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| 16:47.29 | slonopotamus | for some mysterious reason my n900 doesn't send/receive anything when it shows "3G" connection. all other (2G, 2.5, 3.5) work perfectly |
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| 17:02.53 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: you should quit forking :P |
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| 17:11.17 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 17:11.33 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 17:11.38 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. |
| 17:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: pong |
| 17:13.51 | Pali | pong DocScrutinizer |
| 17:14.15 | Pali | what is state of kernel module for charging? |
| 17:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin |
| 17:15.23 | Pali | has somebody start writing code? |
| 17:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | there's never been plans for such a module, I sketched a API for controlling the bq24150 via sysfs, but seems nobody is interested in implementing it, and no wonder as it conflicts with bme |
| 17:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | so this module would basically implement in kernel what is now handled by our charge.sh script |
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| 17:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | you still need userland stuff to do things like USB enum and negotiate power-consumption, signal charge state to HAL/whatever, etc |
| 17:18.35 | Pali | I'd like to start writing bq24150 kernel code, but I do not know that bq chip |
| 17:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | no problem, my half-done API spec has all the details you need to know |
| 17:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | or, if anything not clear with it, just ask me |
| 17:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | but then we got the problem of bme acting up when this module is loaded, just like we see with bq27200 |
| 17:21.39 | Pali | problem is that I do not know how to access to that bq registers |
| 17:22.05 | Pali | we can create wrapper library for BME |
| 17:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | duh, simple. via i2c |
| 17:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | just look at bq27200.ko |
| 17:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | you basically can c&p the stuff from there |
| 17:23.53 | Pali | Ok, I already created some patch for bq27x00_battery.ko so I can start from this point |
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| 17:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/bq24150-sysnode.spec.txt |
| 17:25.04 | Pali | I already have downloaded this txt |
| 17:26.40 | Pali | Is original datasheet with all bq24150 registers available? |
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| 17:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 17:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management |
| 17:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management#USB_battery_charger |
| 17:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ti.com/product/bq24150 |
| 17:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Battery_Charger |
| 17:34.09 | Pali | Thanks! |
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| 18:06.40 | smegheadz | howdy |
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| 18:45.48 | Tofe | Hello ! |
| 18:47.35 | Tofe | I googled and googled this around, but still, I didn't find a way to solve one problem with my N900. Long story short, my problem is exactly the one described here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70793 |
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| 18:49.29 | Tofe | of course I tried all the possible workarounds: delete the conversation database, restore the default theme from a clean backup... still, the problem occurs. I *think* the database is ok, as the list of messages appears , but I don't know how to check that |
| 18:50.30 | Tofe | it's a phone I got just two days ago, so destroying the messages database and restarting from scratch is not a problem for me. But it doesn't seem like it solves anything. |
| 18:51.29 | Tofe | would anyone here have solved this problem in the past, by chance ? |
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| 19:10.47 | Tofe | Solved !! |
| 19:11.29 | Tofe | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456#c15 <-- deleting ~/.mozilla/rtcom was the key here. \o/ |
| 19:11.31 | povbot | 04Bug 11456: History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 |
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| 19:23.27 | smegheadz | glad you got it solved |
| 19:24.57 | Tofe | I'm glad too :) |
| 19:25.04 | smegheadz | i'm stuck trying to figure out a simple way to get all my contacts from my n900 to my work phone which is a wp7 |
| 19:25.24 | Tofe | export/import of vCard isn't possible ? |
| 19:25.26 | smegheadz | n900 doesn't support pbap so can't bluetooth sync |
| 19:25.29 | ShadowJK | my n900 syncs quite nicely with my e7 over bluetooth |
| 19:25.41 | smegheadz | symbian is fine |
| 19:25.45 | smegheadz | i can do that |
| 19:25.52 | smegheadz | but n900 to windows phone isn't |
| 19:26.02 | ShadowJK | what did they leave out of the windows phone? :D |
| 19:26.18 | smegheadz | symbian, android, ios, blackberry to wp7 all works fine for contact sync |
| 19:26.34 | smegheadz | it's the n900 doesn't support pbap |
| 19:26.59 | smegheadz | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP |
| 19:27.25 | ShadowJK | And that windows phone doesn't support the sync thingy profile N900 and symbian does? |
| 19:27.46 | smegheadz | yup |
| 19:28.21 | smegheadz | you can sync contacts from symbian, andriod, ios and wp7 fine with each other. but n900 can't |
| 19:28.28 | Sicelo | pbap, aiui is not for contact transfer |
| 19:28.52 | smegheadz | guess thats why then haha |
| 19:28.58 | smegheadz | i'm clutching at straws here |
| 19:29.05 | smegheadz | i tried using gmail account |
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| 19:29.25 | smegheadz | exported all my contacts as vcard then merged them and imported to gmail contacts |
| 19:29.43 | smegheadz | but contacts with multiple numbers only have the first number copied |
| 19:30.36 | smegheadz | i don't have outlook to do it that way |
| 19:30.37 | ShadowJK | before E75 -> N900 transition, I always used the sim as contacts carrier :) |
| 19:31.05 | smegheadz | thats a messy way. i tried that and i ended up just deleting all haha |
| 19:31.37 | smegheadz | when i did n95 8gb to n900 it was easy. synced fine |
| 19:31.58 | smegheadz | i'm trying to revive it now to go back to it then to this wp7 junk |
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| 19:35.35 | smegheadz | there are things which are good about wp7 but there's lots still not good. they really need to get the basics sorted. if i've 2 numbers for a contact and i get a text from them, i can't tell which number they txt from. |
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| 19:36.49 | smegheadz | anyone want to give me a free lcd for n900 :D |
| 19:37.38 | RST38h | no. |
| 19:38.46 | smegheadz | this is why i thought it was pbap that was stopping me from transfering from n900 to wp7 http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/support/product/lumia800/faq/?action=singleFAQ&caseid=FA136275_en_US |
| 19:39.02 | Phlogistique | smegheadz: I recently saw a non-working n900 on sale on ebay |
| 19:39.04 | Phlogistique | for parts |
| 19:39.14 | smegheadz | hmm interesting |
| 19:40.19 | smegheadz | i've got to drop into a repair place saturday and if there's issues with getting it sorted i will go the ebay route. |
| 19:40.33 | smegheadz | cheers for that. well i'm off now. l8r |
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| 19:49.43 | asdffdsa | hello, thx 4 your help. i resolved the problem with the battery |
| 19:50.07 | chem|st | asdffdsa: details? |
| 19:52.12 | asdffdsa | i went to a cellphone store and charged the battery for 10 minutes. went home flashed the n900 and now all works fine....still reinstalling the software, but it works ^^ |
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| 19:54.43 | Sicelo | nice asdffdsa |
| 19:54.44 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:54.51 | asdffdsa | ^ |
| 19:54.53 | asdffdsa | ^^ |
| 20:02.37 | asdffdsa | whats the R&D Mode for? |
| 20:03.09 | Tofe | it's for going root (the official way) |
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| 20:03.53 | asdffdsa | oh...hmm...gainroot :D |
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| 21:30.33 | Cor-Ai | anyone got an micro usb port for sale? :P |
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| 21:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: R&D mode is for R&D ;-D |
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| 21:45.12 | asdffdsa | lol but what means R&D? |
| 21:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | it enables some functions usual users don't need (no, I don't mean root access), and it disables some functions that can get annoying for hardcore devels (e.g watchdog timer reboots) |
| 21:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | R&D = Research&Development |
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| 21:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe Rock'n'Roll & DaDaism |
| 21:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | Tofe: you're sure R&D is the *official* way to get root access? |
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| 21:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | I thought it's been "install rootsh pkg" since days of diablo |
| 21:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even longer |
| 21:52.45 | asdffdsa | whats the diablo? |
| 21:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | N8x0 OS |
| 21:53.14 | asdffdsa | uh |
| 21:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | maemo diablo |
| 21:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | aka maemo4 |
| 21:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 21:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap/Diablo |
| 21:56.24 | chem|st | Cor-Ai: shops usually have that many that they even sell them! |
| 21:56.36 | asdffdsa | anyone tryed the multiboot of maemo5 and meego? |
| 21:57.20 | chem|st | ~multiboot |
| 21:57.20 | infobot | somebody said multiboot was at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html |
| 21:57.44 | chem|st | asdffdsa: not worth it btw |
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| 22:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 22:06.08 | infobot | well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 22:06.42 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: you probably mean uBoot-based dualboot |
| 22:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | which is *not* deprecated |
| 22:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | heard it just works |
| 22:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | unless you install multiboot |
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| 22:07.41 | asdffdsa | DocScrutinizer, yes i meand this ^ |
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| 22:10.12 | vi___ | hey bros |
| 22:10.19 | vi___ | I have a serious confusion here |
| 22:10.42 | vi___ | how TF can only half y keymap get fcd up? |
| 22:11.08 | vi___ | Is there a program for checking which keystroke is entered? |
| 22:12.06 | vi___ | anyone? |
| 22:12.41 | vi___ | somthing like xev |
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| 22:16.39 | mgedmin | on maemo 5? you can apt-get install xev |
| 22:16.44 | mgedmin | from the tools repo, iirc |
| 22:17.01 | vi___ | yeah but it doesnt work |
| 22:17.04 | mgedmin | (better do that over ssh) |
| 22:17.09 | vi___ | my keymap still works |
| 22:17.18 | vi___ | except for 1 key that has changed |
| 22:17.28 | vi___ | which is completley bananas |
| 22:17.57 | vi___ | I used have TAB mapped to alt+enter |
| 22:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell Cor-Ai about usbfix |
| 22:18.10 | vi___ | now it only works when I press ctrl+alt+enter |
| 22:18.32 | vi___ | everything else is the same and te keymap is the same |
| 22:18.33 | vi___ | WTF |
| 22:18.38 | vi___ | WTF F |
| 22:20.05 | vi___ | if anyone has any suggestions please dont hold back |
| 22:20.46 | mgedmin | xkb is not exactly made of ponies and chocolate |
| 22:21.13 | mgedmin | what's wrong with using ctrl-i instead of tab? |
| 22:21.34 | mgedmin | wait, I misunderstood, I think |
| 22:21.42 | mgedmin | you want the tab key to send alt-enter |
| 22:21.44 | Jooles_ | yeah, I had fun with my desktop where shift-backspace somehow got mapped to ctrl-alt-backspace. That was less than amusing |
| 22:22.10 | mgedmin | remembers the cries when people complained about ctrl-alt-backspace being disabled by default |
| 22:22.28 | vi___ | wut? |
| 22:22.32 | vi___ | this is on the n900 |
| 22:22.52 | Jooles_ | it's still xkb and it's wierdness |
| 22:23.02 | vi___ | For a long time I have had tab mapped to alt(blue button)+return. |
| 22:23.06 | vi___ | it is fast |
| 22:23.07 | vi___ | I like it |
| 22:23.39 | vi___ | annd now NOTHING has changed except I now have to press ctrl+alt+enter to get tab |
| 22:23.43 | vi___ | WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK |
| 22:24.14 | vi___ | tab is on level 2 |
| 22:24.29 | vi___ | I also have esc mapped to alt+backspace |
| 22:24.37 | vi___ | IT STILL WORKS FINE |
| 22:26.36 | mgedmin | blue button is not alt, it's fn |
| 22:26.58 | vi___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.13 | vi___ | here are two lines that have worked fine for aeons |
| 22:27.17 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 22:27.38 | vi___ | the top allows backspace to be esc pressed with blue |
| 22:27.59 | vi___ | the bottom allows tab when return pressed with blue |
| 22:28.12 | vi___ | this implies my modifiers are not broken |
| 22:28.31 | vi___ | how can I check the keycode for a given key? |
| 22:28.38 | mgedmin | what if instead of type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2" you used type = "PC_FN_LEVEL2"? |
| 22:29.24 | vi___ | I am not keen to alter xkb map until I know what keycode my return key is giving |
| 22:29.28 | mgedmin | to look at your current *full* xkb configuration, use xkbcomp :0 - |less |
| 22:29.37 | mgedmin | xev will give you the (numerical) keycode |
| 22:29.55 | mgedmin | the aforementioned xkbcomp will have a xkb_keycodes section |
| 22:30.03 | mgedmin | in it you will see the name to keycode mapping |
| 22:30.06 | mgedmin | <RTRN> is keycode 36 |
| 22:30.20 | mgedmin | I wonder if the key is <RTRN> or <KPEN>... |
| 22:31.01 | mgedmin | also [Group1]... |
| 22:31.22 | mgedmin | maybe some modifier is toggled and now you're using Group2? |
| 22:31.26 | Jooles_ | i believe i've seen people elsewhere bemoan the lack of <KPEN> on the n900... |
| 22:31.38 | asdffdsa | does anyone know how to get the Video-out running? |
| 22:31.47 | mgedmin | I don't remember how multiple keyboard layouts/languages are implemented on the n900 |
| 22:31.55 | mgedmin | asdffdsa, plug in cable, it should Just Work |
| 22:32.05 | mgedmin | iirc there's a control panel applet where you can choose PAL/NTSC |
| 22:32.14 | asdffdsa | cant get a signal |
| 22:32.31 | mgedmin | this on Composite input? |
| 22:32.35 | mgedmin | shrugs |
| 22:32.47 | mgedmin | check if the cable is snugly plugged in? |
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| 22:34.17 | vi___ | mgedmin: then how would the line with esc mapped to backspace also in group1 still work? |
| 22:34.24 | mgedmin | good point |
| 22:34.44 | vi___ | is there a program that will show me a keycode when I press a bitton? |
| 22:34.48 | vi___ | \^button |
| 22:35.08 | mgedmin | I did not understand the problem you had with xev |
| 22:35.59 | mgedmin | if you run xev from an ssh connection into your n900, it should work fine |
| 22:36.25 | mgedmin | (if you run it in a terminal directly, there can be problems -- iirc it takes the entire screen and you've no way to close it or something) |
| 22:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: >KPEN> - age old bug |
| 22:37.57 | mgedmin | what, exactly, is the bug about? |
| 22:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | the bug is "N900 CR always creates KP-Enter |
| 22:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | " |
| 22:38.32 | mgedmin | I was irritated by the enter key entering <esc>OM and breaking screen over ssh or some such nonsense, but this seems like something unrelated to physical keycode mapping |
| 22:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 22:39.03 | mgedmin | you saw vi___'s keymap -- <RTRN> was mapped to KP_Enter |
| 22:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools |
| 22:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 22:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 22:39.16 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:39.19 | mgedmin | if it were mapped to Return, it'd be different |
| 22:39.38 | mgedmin | (what genius decided to use Enter for the D-Pad select button and map it to toggle-VKB by default?) |
| 22:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools is <reply>see jrtools |
| 22:39.46 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 22:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools |
| 22:39.52 | infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 22:48.03 | asdffdsa | i cant fix the SVideo output of the n900 |
| 22:48.32 | asdffdsa | did i have to reboot after changing from pal to ntsc? |
| 22:51.11 | vi___ | xev does not capture any keystrokes |
| 22:51.25 | vi___ | except for blue+return |
| 22:51.31 | vi___ | and shift+return |
| 22:51.40 | vi___ | and they both return the same info |
| 22:52.07 | vi___ | further more now it is shift+blue that makes return do its thing |
| 22:52.11 | vi___ | WTF is going on here |
| 22:52.16 | vi___ | this is insane |
| 22:52.26 | vi___ | how can I check what my current keymap is? |
| 22:53.39 | luke-jr | what's the fastest SD "class" that N900 supports again? |
| 22:54.20 | vi___ | none, SD class is a myth |
| 22:55.30 | asdffdsa | ? any idea with the S-Video Signal? |
| 22:55.32 | Jooles_ | not true, but genuine sd cards are rare. Put a class 6 stamp on a class 2, hike up the price, most people won't know |
| 22:55.55 | Jooles_ | heh, you should see some of the really fake ones I've seen |
| 22:56.13 | vi___ | well in that case you cannot go wrong with a class 4 sandisk |
| 22:56.25 | vi___ | only if you buy a real one |
| 22:56.26 | vi___ | do not buy a class 10 |
| 22:56.30 | vi___ | they are utter shit |
| 22:56.35 | vi___ | and will rape your data |
| 22:56.38 | Jooles_ | 256mb cards set to loop over themselves so they appear as 4gb to the os and obviously don't work |
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| 22:57.21 | luke-jr | … |
| 22:57.22 | luke-jr | paranoid |
| 22:58.04 | Jooles_ | i work in a second hand phone/games/dvd store and do a lot of the hardware testing |
| 22:58.47 | vi___ | luke-jr: buy from a reputable retailer and prepare to pay the full price. |
| 22:58.55 | vi___ | there are NO cheap SD cards |
| 22:59.01 | Jooles_ | in fairness most cards are real, just make sure you trust the store if you buy second hand or over the net |
| 23:00.19 | Jooles_ | yeah, cheap flash memory sucks. I have a usb stick that has to be reformatted after every 10 writes or so else it starts to corrupt everything |
| 23:01.57 | luke-jr | doubt NewEgg has fakes |
| 23:02.15 | luke-jr | … if onyl their site would stay up x.x |
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| 23:06.48 | vi___ | if anyone can give me any indication as to why the f my return key has decided to f itself please, speak up |
| 23:06.55 | vi___ | i am running out of ideas |
| 23:07.54 | Jooles_ | Wish I could help you man. I have no idea and have always just stayed away from xkb where possible |
| 23:08.10 | luke-jr | so no idea what the max speed is? |
| 23:11.39 | luke-jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161411 |
| 23:11.41 | luke-jr | look good? |
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| 23:13.14 | luke-jr | Jooles_? |
| 23:14.00 | Jooles_ | just checking... hang on |
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| 23:15.11 | asdffdsa | grrr...any idea with the Video out? |
| 23:15.24 | luke-jr | asdffdsa: ? |
| 23:15.29 | luke-jr | asdffdsa: I think it defaults to PAL |
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| 23:15.34 | asdffdsa | i tryed PAL & NTSC but i cant recive a signal |
| 23:15.50 | Jooles_ | looking on the maemo forums someone says they've got a class 10 card in an n900 but it runs at about 4MB (class 4) |
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| 23:16.55 | Jooles_ | luke-jr, that looks like a nice card but I suspect the phone won't run it at that speed |
| 23:17.05 | luke-jr | Jooles_: well, that's why I asked :p |
| 23:17.15 | luke-jr | but Class 4 is only like $5 less |
| 23:17.20 | luke-jr | and Class 6 is *more* :p |
| 23:17.49 | luke-jr | I already know from experience that MicroSD is faster than the internal SSD though ;) |
| 23:18.13 | Jooles_ | well in that case just get the class 10 and it'll work fast if you ever put it in a faster device :) |
| 23:18.51 | Jooles_ | heh, yeah. I just moved my apt cache to the internal sd card and it's incredibly slow |
| 23:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: you have to follow correct plugging sequence |
| 23:19.31 | asdffdsa | lol |
| 23:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 23:19.40 | asdffdsa | which sequence? |
| 23:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | first connect cable to TV, then plug in to N900 |
| 23:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | also make sure your yellow plug is plugged to a receptacle named either CVBS or Video-in |
| 23:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | don't mix this with any of the other possible plugs like component etc |
| 23:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | then obviously you also need to select correct input on your TV saet |
| 23:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | set* |
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| 23:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | asdffdsa: switching PAL/NTSC will max change color vs b&w plus some geometry error |
| 23:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | no way you get the thing started from black screen by meddling with PAL/NTSC selection |
| 23:22.34 | asdffdsa | i only get a blank screen |
| 23:23.00 | vi___ | asdffdsa: then you are doing it wrong. |
| 23:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | then you eeither didn't follow plugging sequence, or selected wrong input, or used wrong input |
| 23:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | do you at least get audio? |
| 23:24.17 | asdffdsa | oh ^ |
| 23:24.19 | asdffdsa | ^^ |
| 23:24.32 | asdffdsa | hm....S-Video / AV |
| 23:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | tell me! you used the white plug for video, right? |
| 23:24.44 | asdffdsa | that shouldnt happen to me -.- |
| 23:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | tzztzztzz |
| 23:25.06 | asdffdsa | no used the wrong channel on tv -.- |
| 23:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | I decided to ignore that when you first said SVideo |
| 23:25.38 | Jooles_ | epic fail :) |
| 23:25.54 | Jooles_ | least you got it figured out now |
| 23:27.12 | asdffdsa | damn....realy epic fail -.- |
| 23:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | epic fail was if you plugged it into sth like HDMI and the video signal triggered the digital remote control channel and made your HDD-recorder erase your 5TB of ancient DrWho records |
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| 23:33.21 | Jooles_ | i dunno... that might be beyond fail |
| 23:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | then in a panic you pulled the plug and this crashed the recorder's hw and meanwhile you tripped over the cable to N900, it dropped and you stepped on it and broke your foot |
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| 23:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | THAT was an *epic* fail |
| 23:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | selecting wrong TV in chan is just a mishap |
| 23:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | sorry ;-D |
| 23:35.23 | Jooles_ | Remind me not to help you program your VCR... I can't afford that kind of insurance |
| 23:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you actually might be interested in GTA04 |
| 23:39.43 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 23:40.00 | luke-jr | Jooles_: I moved my swap to MicroSD |
| 23:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | (to cure this strange turn of your mind:) I started contributing to the hw design ;-D |
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| 23:41.47 | luke-jr | Jooles_: hmm, some of these reviews are very bad |
| 23:41.56 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: did you add a kb? |
| 23:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still struggling with that one :-D |
| 23:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | option is already there |
| 23:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you know it'S a tad hard to find old GTA02 kbd to revamp for GTA04 ;-D |
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| 23:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: http://projects.goldelico.com/upload/gta04-main/files/GTA04A3-1-complete.pdf p.88 "Sheet: 16/19 Keypad" |
| 23:46.06 | Jooles_ | luke-jr i didn't read the reviews... personally I'd go to a local photo shop if you want a high spec card. they're also more likely to have a better returns policy. Then again I can't affor that so I buy them from my shop |
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| 23:54.15 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: btw, did you hear there's a chance one of the ARM SoC vendors might do free 3D drivers? |
| 23:54.54 | jonwil | which vendor is that? |
| 23:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | I heard rumours on IRC, nothing serious though |
| 23:55.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: license on that document is unclear. it says CC-BY-SA, but has an icon for CC-BY-NC-SA |
| 23:55.11 | luke-jr | jonwil: the one that bought the stuff from AMD IIRC |
| 23:55.27 | jonwil | is that ARM Mali? |
| 23:55.31 | jonwil | or is that something different?> |
| 23:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | the schematics say "CC-BY-NC-SA" |
| 23:56.26 | luke-jr | would be nice to have something GPL-friendly, oh well |
| 23:56.35 | luke-jr | CC-NC at the very least is non-free |
| 23:56.39 | luke-jr | kinda defeats the purpose |
| 23:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw I'd say there's no such thing like 3D drivers for ARM |
| 23:56.52 | luke-jr | I'd argue CC-BY is non-free too fwiw |
| 23:57.02 | SpeedEvil | GPL doesn't make sense for documents in many cases. |
| 23:57.19 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: this is no more or less a document than any software, IMO |
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| 23:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: so what? take it or leave it |
| 23:57.52 | luke-jr | pfft, 800 MHz Cortex A8? that's so 2009 |
| 23:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | sorry we didn't pay the stamps to send you schematics of 2014's top notch schematics printouts |
| 23:59.01 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: tech has been 1 GB RAM + dual core ARM for at least a year now :p |
| 23:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
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