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| 03:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Split ACs are of the order of $500 |
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| 03:56.02 | jonwil | Except that I don't have $500 to spend |
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| 04:01.38 | lulzfish_4 | I got a stock N810 a while ago, I'm trying to do anything interesting with it |
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| 04:15.52 | luke-jr | lulzfish_4: mine is a dedicated kismet server |
| 04:16.15 | lulzfish_4 | kismet? |
| 04:16.33 | lulzfish_4 | also, dedicated? |
| 04:19.00 | lulzfish_4 | i was hoping to compile sdl or qt applications for it somehow |
| 04:19.22 | lulzfish_4 | maybe gtk if i have to |
| 04:21.27 | luke-jr | I have KDE installed |
| 04:21.31 | luke-jr | but not enough RAM really |
| 04:21.36 | luke-jr | I run Gentoo |
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| 04:24.51 | jonwil | ok, dbus logging is go, as is ICD logging. Time to go grab some useful data :) |
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| 09:32.27 | psycho_oreos | its not about browser-eal is it? |
| 09:32.48 | psycho_oreos | bah he's gone |
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| 09:50.50 | vi__ | yo |
| 09:51.03 | vi__ | pov robbiethe1st |
| 09:51.08 | vi__ | !pov robbiethe1st |
| 09:51.11 | vi__ | ;pov robbiethe1st |
| 09:51.21 | vi__ | ?? |
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| 10:06.22 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: Good morning. |
| 10:06.34 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: A question if you will. |
| 10:06.45 | vi__ | Where is the backupmenu script? |
| 10:07.42 | vi__ | I have looked through /bootmenu.sh and it doesnt look like it, none of the menu text is there for example. |
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| 10:11.35 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.52 | vi__ | Sicelo: thank you. You are a bro. |
| 10:16.13 | vi__ | Sicelo: whould also perhaps know where I may find the charging script the BM uses? |
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| 10:19.28 | vi__ | BM indicates it is /bin/charge.sh however that file does not exist! |
| 10:20.46 | Sicelo | yes, afaik BM doesn't ship a charge script on its own... use ShadowJK's.. i believe that's the one BM refers too |
| 10:21.15 | vi__ | yes, however where is it? |
| 10:21.33 | Sicelo | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt |
| 10:21.50 | vi__ | BM indicates a path of /bin/charge.sh yet there is no file /bin/charge.sh |
| 10:22.07 | vi__ | does the n900 change root during boot or somthing? |
| 10:23.21 | Sicelo | change root.. i dunno. save the above script as /bin/chargae.sh |
| 10:24.03 | vi__ | I already have the script. The n900 charges during BM. |
| 10:24.12 | vi__ | I will have to ask robbie if i ever see him |
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| 10:32.37 | vdv | just finished with Fremantle port of GoldenDict 1.0.1 dictionary program, if somebody wants to test, i can share deb file :) |
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| 11:18.04 | Ikarus | and another N900 dead due to USB port issues :( |
| 11:20.59 | Ikarus | anyone know if you still can convince nokia to give you a development N950 ? |
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| 11:25.07 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ |
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| 11:25.59 | Ikarus | can't go without a working N900 : or N950 (N9 is pointless, no keyboard, I use it 80% of the time) |
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| 11:39.57 | purr | im waiting for TIzenSAmsung goodness. i doubt itll be any less open than n900 (a few firmware blobs etc) |
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| 12:03.00 | vi__ | hello |
| 12:04.11 | vi__ | any resident BM experts here? |
| 12:05.41 | vi__ | When I try to launch backupmenu root console it fails. |
| 12:05.51 | vi__ | I am promted to enter my password... |
| 12:06.15 | vi__ | implying the 'busybox getty 115200 tty1 sh' line in BM works. |
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| 12:06.38 | vi__ | actually |
| 12:06.50 | vi__ | I don't get to enter my password |
| 12:06.59 | vi__ | it asks me for username |
| 12:07.11 | vi__ | I enter root and it just crashes back to BM |
| 12:07.32 | vi__ | if I try again I can see the error that occoured after entering user name |
| 12:07.39 | vi__ | it says 'applet not found' |
| 12:07.46 | vi__ | what applet is this? |
| 12:07.50 | vi__ | why is it not found? |
| 12:08.40 | vi__ | Could this be somthing to do with busybox power |
| 12:08.42 | vi__ | ? |
| 12:08.51 | x29a | why do you start each line with a -? |
| 12:09.09 | vi__ | what? |
| 12:09.25 | vi__ | Is there a funny character at the star of each of my klines? |
| 12:09.28 | vi__ | ^lines |
| 12:09.36 | vi__ | ^start |
| 12:10.33 | x29a | <vi__> -what? |
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| 12:10.58 | vi__ | also why does /bin/charge.sh exist when I access the device from root console in BM yet not exist when I access it from normal mode? |
| 12:11.10 | vi__ | x29a: I have no idea why a - appears |
| 12:11.24 | vi__ | I am using irssi over ssh on n900. |
| 12:12.11 | vi__ | 'applet not found' |
| 12:12.18 | vi__ | what applet is this refering to? |
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| 12:13.04 | vi__ | N900, Y U NO MAKE SENSE? |
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| 12:17.02 | vi__ | So busy box says "applet not found" when you request a program it does not contain. THe error message also details the name of the applet you erroneously asked for |
| 12:17.25 | vi__ | however in my case it is not detailing ANY applet names |
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| 12:17.41 | vi__ | implying it cannot find nothing |
| 12:17.48 | vi__ | which makes 0 fucking sense |
| 12:24.00 | ShadowJK | probably bootmenu uses a different / |
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| 12:55.02 | purr | oh thats interesting, charge.sh |
| 12:55.17 | purr | i have been using pancake's i2c charging script on his website, i think culled from a maemo forum |
| 12:55.34 | purr | along ith just copying over bme_rx51 and whatever libs it needed to ldd cleanly onto debian |
| 12:55.59 | purr | but if theres an official charge.sh, i'll have to go unsquashFSing images to read it |
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| 13:04.59 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 13:05.07 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 13:05.09 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. |
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| 13:15.56 | lulzfish_4 | I think we are in Dependency Purgatory and nobody wants to admit it |
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| 13:21.38 | purr | yet to try Hildon/GTK apps on debian |
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| 13:22.23 | purr | i have a feeling its going to want the world, quite fast |
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| 13:23.10 | purr | pulseaudio on maemo was too old to talk to ubuntu's pulse over a network, i couldnt decide which was worth upgrading/backporting |
| 13:23.24 | purr | beacuse if i upgrade pulse on maemo, im sure telephony will stop working or so |
| 13:23.46 | purr | and if i just have a dumb tablet might as well jailbreak iPhone with saurik's toolchain and go all JS for my UI |
| 13:23.52 | purr | decisions.. |
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| 13:25.13 | purr | a few of these Tizen posts off LWN mention GTK support (tentative) which lends credence to Xorg still being around, which is good at least |
| 13:25.24 | purr | possibility to run this half-decade+ of hildon apps on modern hw |
| 13:25.31 | LaoLang_cool | How to end the call? Clicking on the end call bottom on the screen is the only way? |
| 13:26.03 | LaoLang_cool | Sometimes I need to wait about 1 second to let the screen turn on again, so it's a little slow to end the call at that time |
| 13:26.48 | jonwil | I see no advantage to dropping X from whatever the next iteration of maemo/moblin/meego/whatever ends up being |
| 13:28.42 | Phlogistique | purr: Tizen uses X |
| 13:29.22 | purr | HTML5 apps - webkit was hooked right up to a fbdev on WebOS |
| 13:30.01 | purr | from an ecosystem standpoint it seems plausible Android emulator / Webkit plugged into fb without X is a possibility being discussed |
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| 14:28.29 | bindi | http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ |
| 14:28.37 | bindi | so, when can we see this on the n900? :D |
| 14:29.26 | SpeedEvil | You need a cert/. |
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| 14:34.41 | purr | "Your iPhone sends a tons of things to Appleās servers" |
| 14:35.01 | purr | i wonder how many billions NOKIA blew on this OVI crapware that litters MAemo on n900 |
| 14:35.08 | purr | maps takes like 15 seconds to launch, maep instantly |
| 14:35.51 | purr | considering EFL/GTK are GUI dead-ends as far as mass-adoption, im thinkin an iPod Touch is making more and more sense. Saurik's GCC can byuild anythiung, and id never use a non-HTML5 GUI at this point |
| 14:36.09 | chem|st | purr: I was wondering how many billions Nokia will loose by droping maemo/meego |
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| 14:44.39 | MohammadAG | I bought an iPod touch |
| 14:44.46 | MohammadAG | it's something I'd recommend you don't buy |
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| 14:44.50 | MohammadAG | if anything, get an iPhone instead |
| 14:45.34 | MohammadAG | the 256MBs of RAM make a difference |
| 14:46.32 | jacekowski | you've got something with apple on it? |
| 14:46.43 | jacekowski | does it make you feel dirty? |
| 14:46.47 | jacekowski | and unfaithful? |
| 14:47.13 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, no, it makes me feel like I backstabbed myself |
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| 14:47.48 | MohammadAG | I must admit I bought an iPod, got an iPhone from Orange to lower my bill, and got an iPad 2 as a gift |
| 14:48.36 | purr | i donno, iPAd is 100x as fast as my n900 in unix shell. the Flash storage / system bus or something just pwns |
| 14:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | it lives, it lives :-D |
| 14:48.58 | purr | and with cydia, it has apt-get. so its as unixy as n900 |
| 14:49.27 | MohammadAG | wait |
| 14:49.29 | purr | imo the kernel and videodrivers and windowmanager give X a run for hte money too |
| 14:49.38 | MohammadAG | so the only thing you need to make something linuxy is apt-get? |
| 14:50.02 | MohammadAG | I may have 3 iDevices, and may be using one of them as a main device |
| 14:50.23 | MohammadAG | but the iPhone is far from "unixy" |
| 14:50.29 | MohammadAG | well, "linuxy" |
| 14:50.33 | purr | it has GCC, a toolchain, a package manager, and a UNIXlike kernel |
| 14:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you got a few minutes to review aspects of Tm1 ? Seems modest is completely fsckd up now, for example |
| 14:50.46 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 14:50.49 | MohammadAG | it works fine for me |
| 14:51.08 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure I updated both libtinymail and modest |
| 14:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | according to numerous reports it now segfaults immediately after start |
| 14:51.33 | MohammadAG | sounds like libtinymail then |
| 14:51.45 | MohammadAG | err, did someone start it from terminal and see what it bitches about? |
| 14:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so if you updated it then bad enough but the fix brought regressions - well shit happens |
| 14:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | no clue, tmo madness after all |
| 14:52.48 | MohammadAG | BTW, iPad apps have one of the best designs for a tablet |
| 14:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1126668&postcount=243 |
| 14:52.56 | MohammadAG | every MeeGo dev should have one, for inspiration or otherwise |
| 14:53.04 | vdv | qt quick 1.1 on maemo, possible? |
| 14:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (inspiration) exactly my words about N810 and openmoko sw devels X-D |
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| 14:56.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's true |
| 14:56.31 | MohammadAG | iPad apps are designed very well |
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| 14:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but obviously joe average sw devel is *very* shy to look for and copy good example - either they "know it better anyway" or they think it's embarrassing to "spy" |
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| 14:58.57 | kwtm2 | purr: Wait, tell me more. Unix thing on iPad? My wife has an iPad2 but I haven't been able to (figuratively) pry off the covers and get into the Unix internals. What is cydia, and what does it let me do? |
| 14:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | except for Nokia GUI/UX designers who obviously have a sense for picking the worst out of android and iOS and define meego according to it |
| 14:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | buzzwords tracker-"fs", no c&p |
| 14:59.51 | MohammadAG | kwtm2, iPad 2 isn't JB'able unless you BOUGHT it on 4.3.3 and saved SHSHs |
| 15:00.29 | MohammadAG | if you thought Nokia's flasher strict-ness is bad, get an iPhone and learn how it's updated/flashed |
| 15:00.40 | kwtm2 | I see. At work we are looking to get some new portable hardware (bring it into the room with clients rather than just having computers at our workstation.) I said I didn't want an iPad like everyone else because I can't hack it. If there is a mod available, I'm interested. |
| 15:00.44 | MohammadAG | basically, you download an unsigned image from Apple's server that can't be flashed |
| 15:01.11 | MohammadAG | then iTunes extracts it somewhere (probably encrypted parts in memory?) and signs it, then sends it to the device |
| 15:01.36 | MohammadAG | the signature is generated on Apple's servers, pre iOS5 this could be saved using some apps that request it from apple's servers |
| 15:01.44 | MohammadAG | but post iOS5, the signature can only be used once |
| 15:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | hah, that's nice! on-site-signing, can get RE'd |
| 15:01.52 | kwtm2 | Ok, will leave it alone. Netbook it is, Windows Something and then dual-boot linux. |
| 15:02.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, signatures are blacklisted after being used once now |
| 15:02.20 | MohammadAG | wonder what happens when they run out of signatures |
| 15:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
| 15:02.46 | MohammadAG | oh wait |
| 15:02.50 | MohammadAG | theortically they can't |
| 15:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure, or when IPv8 numberspace expires |
| 15:03.00 | MohammadAG | the signature includes the device's IMEI or UUID or something |
| 15:03.11 | MohammadAG | so each device has some million-signatures |
| 15:03.27 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: so they need to come up witha new idea in about 15 years... |
| 15:03.36 | MohammadAG | my iPad 2 isn't JB'able |
| 15:03.49 | MohammadAG | I must say it's fun to use, doesn't replace a laptop but for web stuff it's awesome |
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| 15:04.12 | MohammadAG | kwtm2, the iPad 1 is fully hackable |
| 15:04.15 | MohammadAG | (afaik) |
| 15:04.29 | MohammadAG | the screen is pixelated as fuck on all iPads though |
| 15:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | I won't touch that shit unless Siri gets more spirit than ELIZA |
| 15:04.36 | MohammadAG | 1024*768 I think |
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| 15:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | you noticed Siri is the first *real* AI coming soon, that also has perspective to really spy on everyone of us? |
| 15:06.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Siri is useless without Apple's servers |
| 15:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 15:07.07 | MohammadAG | basically, nothing is done on the iPhone besides the actual recording |
| 15:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | so is google |
| 15:07.28 | MohammadAG | true, but it's being advertised without saying "You need a fucking connection" |
| 15:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | if it was done on-board I'd not be concerned |
| 15:07.55 | MohammadAG | I'd be way more interested if it was on board |
| 15:08.02 | MohammadAG | but the concept of Siri is awesome |
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| 15:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | but ECHELON is a ridiculous toy compared to what Siri might be in two or three years |
| 15:10.02 | MohammadAG | I like how iTunes doesn't restore passwords if you changed phones |
| 15:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | Siri could eavesdrop and analyze all talks on a table in a restaurant by using the devices of random neighbour tables' guests, even when the participants on that table all have no devices at all |
| 15:10.14 | lardman|lab | wonders how hard sentance recog is |
| 15:10.39 | MohammadAG | sentance recognition isn't the difficult part in a Siri clone |
| 15:10.51 | MohammadAG | it's the fact you can ask it anything, without having to memorize commands |
| 15:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell sentance |
| 15:11.01 | lardman|lab | sure |
| 15:11.15 | SpeedEvil | sun tans |
| 15:11.15 | lardman|lab | doh s/a/e |
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| 15:11.22 | MohammadAG | Saying what's the weather like on android simply googles "What's the weather like" |
| 15:11.31 | MohammadAG | correct my mistake as per lard's |
| 15:12.03 | lardman|lab | MohammadAG: well you'd then make it guess a la chatbot what the user is asking for I imagine |
| 15:12.16 | lardman|lab | or even with a large hardcoded set of keywords, etc. |
| 15:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Or you pass it off to a human if there is any doubt. |
| 15:12.34 | SpeedEvil | And then feed that humans response back to the database. |
| 15:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 15:12.45 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, Siri probably works like that :p |
| 15:12.50 | flux | docscrutinizer, that'd be actually quite a cool eavesdropping app ;-) |
| 15:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | which is exactly what Siri does all the time :-D |
| 15:12.56 | lardman|lab | would be nice to do on-device though, even if it's not Siri-tastic |
| 15:12.57 | flux | (+be) |
| 15:13.20 | MohammadAG | "Quick, Bill, make up a story where babies come from, some kid's asking about that" |
| 15:13.32 | MohammadAG | "Fuck this Joe, I can't think of anything" |
| 15:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 15:14.17 | lardman|lab | thinks at least the start of the answer was correct |
| 15:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the fun bit is: on Siri very same moment at least 273 users talk about where babies come from to Siri at this very moment |
| 15:14.37 | MohammadAG | and that's how this happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ze6jEdvunss#t=95s |
| 15:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | so Siri doesn't basically need dedicated moderators |
| 15:14.59 | MohammadAG | lardman|lab, LOL |
| 15:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | the huge userbase moderates itself |
| 15:16.10 | MohammadAG | would be fun if it actually learns from you |
| 15:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it does |
| 15:16.23 | MohammadAG | like STOP FUCKING ASKING ME WHERE BABIES COME FROM |
| 15:16.27 | MohammadAG | after 20 times or os |
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| 15:17.33 | lardman|lab | it should perhaps how old you are and how you can afford an iPhone if you're not yet 10 |
| 15:17.44 | lardman|lab | or these days s/10/5 I imagine |
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| 15:18.33 | MohammadAG | Nokia's sending my other N950 today |
| 15:18.38 | MohammadAG | basically my third one from them |
| 15:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 15:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe :-S |
| 15:18.53 | MohammadAG | with the second one still unclaimable by me or them |
| 15:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | as then we again will miss any antention from you on fremantle |
| 15:19.51 | MohammadAG | you know I won't do that |
| 15:19.56 | MohammadAG | unless you port Aegis to fremantle |
| 15:19.59 | lardman|lab | I seem to remember Sphinx worked passably |
| 15:20.09 | lardman|lab | ponders about speech recognition |
| 15:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | for whatever metrics of "passable" - yes it does |
| 15:20.49 | MohammadAG | wait... |
| 15:21.06 | MohammadAG | there's an open source speech recognition engine? |
| 15:21.11 | lardman|lab | yep |
| 15:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | sphinx |
| 15:21.20 | lardman|lab | it's in the Fremantle repo too |
| 15:21.24 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 15:21.34 | lardman|lab | afair, I think I uploaded it |
| 15:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | there's even a tmo thread about it |
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| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | that probably stalled some 9 moths ago with me promising to eventually come up with a spec for a general S2T-interface and plugin |
| 15:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | months* |
| 15:23.24 | MohammadAG | time to jailbreak this shit |
| 15:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | alas such a plugin needs severe messin with IM |
| 15:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | HIM actually |
| 15:24.10 | SpeedEvil | The sad part about Siri/Google-voice-whatever-they-call-it - is that it makes it much harder for on-device recognition to get traction. |
| 15:24.42 | lardman|lab | What quality of voice data do they send back? |
| 15:24.54 | MohammadAG | I wonder if DFU mode on iOS means Device Fucked Up |
| 15:24.54 | lardman|lab | presumably quite low, must get expensive |
| 15:25.03 | MohammadAG | lardman|lab, send back? |
| 15:25.12 | lardman|lab | back to the server to decode it |
| 15:25.15 | MohammadAG | Siri is a text to speech engine |
| 15:25.16 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 15:25.24 | MohammadAG | SPEEX compressed WAV afaik |
| 15:25.55 | MohammadAG | ok, it's stuck at uploading ramdisk |
| 15:25.59 | MohammadAG | oh shits |
| 15:26.00 | lardman|lab | I thought Siri was the whole shebang - speech -> text -> interpretation -> result presentation with spoken confirmation along the way? |
| 15:26.18 | MohammadAG | no |
| 15:26.26 | MohammadAG | nothing is done on device besides recording |
| 15:26.36 | MohammadAG | basically, someone got "Siri" running on a PC afaik |
| 15:26.51 | lardman|lab | ah ok, so the returned data is provided by the server too |
| 15:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pcketsphinx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7256 |
| 15:27.08 | lardman|lab | presumably with some hooks into the local data |
| 15:27.33 | lardman|lab | doc: link? |
| 15:27.42 | lardman|lab | blank pages? |
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| 15:28.02 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 15:28.06 | MohammadAG | kernel didn't segfault |
| 15:28.43 | MohammadAG | ooh, iOS uses fsck |
| 15:29.06 | MohammadAG | I think I saw btrfs somewhere there |
| 15:33.52 | lardman|lab | for reference http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ |
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| 15:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | oooops |
| 15:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72565 |
| 15:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | ECNP |
| 15:39.57 | vdv | is there any solid qml based apps for maemo? example? |
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| 15:44.25 | lardman|lab | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 15:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 15:44.57 | lardman|lab | is tempted, but really should get mBarcode for the N9(50) finished |
| 15:45.07 | lardman|lab | too many tempting things to hack at, not enough hands or time |
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| 15:48.30 | rm_work | lardman|lab: are you doing a frontend UI or just a backend library? |
| 15:49.08 | lardman|lab | am using ZXing as the decoder library, so just the frontend stuff, plugins, history, handing the data once decoded, camera/video handling, etc |
| 15:49.17 | rm_work | ah :P |
| 15:49.42 | rm_work | I remember we tried to use ZXing before but wasn't it OOC? |
| 15:50.03 | lardman|lab | it's Java, but there's a C++ port |
| 15:50.07 | rm_work | ahh |
| 15:50.12 | rm_work | that makes things much easier |
| 15:50.23 | rm_work | so you hooking it up to a UPC database? |
| 15:50.30 | lardman|lab | not sure the port is ideal, but I was planning on getting the frontend sorted out quickly, then doing some work on the backend |
| 15:50.42 | lardman|lab | unfiortunately this frontend porting/updating has taken far far too long |
| 15:50.52 | rm_work | :( |
| 15:51.25 | rm_work | I need to go back and redo Pandora again, except the right way this time, and from a current version instead of (what I found out later was) a really old version :P |
| 15:51.39 | lardman|lab | It will be hooked up eventually, but not in mBarcode itself, in another app which I am writing, but which is now also stalled because I need to get mBarcode finished |
| 15:52.01 | lardman|lab | having a 3 month old daughter seriously reduces coding hours |
| 15:52.16 | rm_work | you find a better UPC database to use than the one I used way back when? |
| 15:52.21 | rm_work | yeah, i can imagine |
| 15:52.32 | rm_work | Congratulations, BTW! I' |
| 15:52.42 | lardman|lab | rm_work: not really looked yet, was thinking of using a number and scraping Amazon too |
| 15:52.43 | rm_work | I've been too absent recently myself, I missed that! |
| 15:52.49 | lardman|lab | rm_work: thanks :) |
| 15:53.22 | rm_work | Also, half wondering what is going to happen to the community now :( |
| 15:53.31 | lardman|lab | yeah |
| 15:53.50 | lardman|lab | Nemo in the mid-term I guess, then see what new hw comes out |
| 15:54.05 | rm_work | Seriously doubting I'll have a chance to hang out with the whole gang again, which is a bit sad |
| 15:54.38 | lardman|lab | yeah, I was looking forward to an Autumn Harmattan conference |
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| 16:03.41 | SpeedEvil | lardman|lab: I did point you at tescos API for barcodes? |
| 16:03.47 | SpeedEvil | I forget. |
| 16:03.57 | SpeedEvil | Send it a barcode, it returns product info. |
| 16:04.12 | SpeedEvil | Nutrition, ... |
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| 16:52.40 | Z3ROC00L | hello people , i just had to format my phone an lost a script that locks the desktop from moving or editing short cuts anybody how to sort it .? |
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| 17:23.57 | chem|st | ~cssu |
| 17:23.57 | infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 17:24.55 | chem|st | is the cssu upgrade in a different repo? |
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| 17:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 17:30.12 | chem|st | S/N in here is really bad! 2days of backlog and 0.x% signal... |
| 17:30.38 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: now it show, I think my ham did not like me! |
| 17:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: just make sure you haven't disabled basic Nokia repos |
| 17:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | and you might want to manually upgrade this friggin libqttest* crap, if you got it |
| 17:33.09 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: anything about these modest-tinymail issues? |
| 17:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | some devels calim WFM while some users report complete fsckup |
| 17:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | claim* |
| 17:34.15 | chem|st | have you got a gingerbread handy? |
| 17:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure you could downgrade tinymail/modest if you like to |
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| 17:35.14 | chem|st | upgrading now, if modest is fscked up I still have ssh |
| 17:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | or even go for Stable, which kicked it completely in favour of the stock version, for now ;-D |
| 17:35.49 | chem|st | "go for stabele"? |
| 17:36.19 | chem|st | you mean install from nokia repos? |
| 17:36.35 | chem|st | or cssu stable |
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| 17:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | the forthcoming CSSU-Stable version, which basically is 16.8 *minus* modest/tinymail *minus* nicocam, and with conservative presets |
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| 17:41.42 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: for modest ~WFM |
| 17:41.58 | chem|st | ~modest |
| 17:41.58 | infobot | modest is, like, s h i t |
| 17:42.05 | chem|st | hehe |
| 17:43.22 | chem|st | what I like is to have a connection based smtp, what is needed at uni's and in several company networks |
| 17:43.39 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: still the question if you got a gingerbread device handy?! |
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| 17:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 17:44.17 | chem|st | ty |
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| 17:44.48 | slonopotamus | is UNSTOPPABLE! now with N800 LED working with 3.1 kernel |
| 17:44.56 | chem|st | got to hunt some food down, later |
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| 17:49.46 | badcloud | is there an iwad loader for prboom which can be installed on the n900? |
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| 17:54.21 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 17:56.05 | badcloud | is there a better nes emulator than ines maemo? the sound emulation is clunky and it doesn't read zip files |
| 17:56.56 | badcloud | should have added an 'and' before that last one |
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| 17:58.01 | bash` | hi all |
| 17:58.13 | bash` | I need help flashing my n900, it doesn't start anymore! |
| 17:58.21 | slonopotamus | ~flashing |
| 17:58.21 | infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:58.31 | bash` | I already flashed it many times, but this time nothing happens: |
| 17:58.33 | bash` | http://dpaste.com/659843/ |
| 17:58.46 | bash` | slonopotamus: thanks but I already read that |
| 17:59.05 | bash` | cdc_phonet is already blacklisted |
| 17:59.17 | bash` | $ lsmod | grep cdc |
| 17:59.19 | bash` | $ |
| 17:59.35 | bash` | any help is appreciated. thanks |
| 18:00.00 | slonopotamus | after that msg you plug n900 into usb and press pwr button on it |
| 18:00.23 | bash` | Unable to enumerate USB devices! |
| 18:00.39 | bash` | that's what the flasher says, then it exits |
| 18:00.46 | slonopotamus | do you run flasher as root? |
| 18:01.01 | bash` | yes |
| 18:01.03 | bash` | [ 451.376688] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device number 12 using ehci_hcd |
| 18:01.05 | bash` | [ 451.770129] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 12 |
| 18:01.06 | bash` | dmesg ^ |
| 18:01.14 | slonopotamus | that's irrelevant to my question |
| 18:01.40 | bash` | slonopotamus: I use "sudo flasher" then yes, I'm running it as root |
| 18:02.54 | slonopotamus | bash`: i think you answered this question already back in 2010 :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49256 |
| 18:03.01 | bash` | let me see |
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| 18:03.50 | bash` | eh, I forgot that, but I reflashed my phone last month and there is no need to downgrade libusb |
| 18:04.17 | bash` | in fact "blacklist cdc_phonet" >> modprobe.conf is the proper way to fix that |
| 18:04.29 | bash` | and I already did that |
| 18:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: blacklist ehci_hcd |
| 18:10.25 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to work |
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| 18:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell, the us another PC with another OS |
| 18:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | then use* |
| 18:11.28 | bash` | you say? |
| 18:11.34 | bash` | ok...I hope the problem is the OS... |
| 18:11.56 | kerio | bash`: i use you as my login shell! honored to meet you! |
| 18:12.07 | bash` | kerio: I use myself too |
| 18:12.18 | kerio | naughty! |
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| 18:13.21 | Tofe | Hello ! |
| 18:14.08 | bash` | ok...see you later |
| 18:14.25 | Tofe | One little question: to submit a bug about a package (on N900), is there a bugzilla, or something ? |
| 18:14.34 | SpeedEvil | Depends. |
| 18:14.55 | Tofe | rootsh: the rootsh.prerm has a typo in the if...fi |
| 18:14.57 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet/ |
| 18:15.01 | SpeedEvil | For example |
| 18:15.11 | SpeedEvil | See the bugtracker link |
| 18:15.22 | Tofe | okay, will look at it. thanks |
| 18:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/ |
| 18:16.52 | Tofe | yep, well, no bugtracker, maybe it's possible to send a message to the maintainer |
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| 18:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | Tofe: >> wonder why you haven't promoted this new version (1.8) to extras-testing ? The 1.5 version has a serious bug with the uninstallation procedure. There is a shell typo there that makes (by accident) the original /usr/bin/gainroot be overwritten by the one provided in the package. rootsh 1.8 does not have this problem.<< |
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| 18:19.07 | badcloud | anyone else have strange sound issues in ines? |
| 18:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/ |
| 18:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | >> Attila Csipa Karma: 1425 Looks like it's an orphan package, unless qwerty12 comes back. 2010-09-01 11:25 UTC << |
| 18:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | Tofe: ^^^^ |
| 18:20.29 | Tofe | DocScrutinizer: well well well... |
| 18:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | you could probably claim maintainership for the package |
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| 18:21.02 | Tofe | anyway, to become root I just type "root". what's the point of rootsh then ? |
| 18:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | LOL, exactly that |
| 18:21.38 | Tofe | (I'm brand new to meamo, I recieved my n900 yesterday, so I *may* speak nonsense) |
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| 18:21.54 | SpeedEvil | Speaking nonesense is encouraged. |
| 18:21.58 | Tofe | :) |
| 18:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | without pkg rootsh you won't have any cmd _`root` |
| 18:22.25 | Tofe | oh. |
| 18:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | IOW, pkg rootsh provides "sudo gainroot" and "root" |
| 18:22.59 | Tofe | aha, funny, I used "root" to modify the prerm file and uninstall rootsh :p |
| 18:23.12 | Tofe | I see the irony now |
| 18:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 18:24.02 | Tofe | so, rootsh will never make it to the extra repo ? |
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| 18:27.19 | bashlnx | DocScrutinizer: doesn't work in windows neither |
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| 18:27.30 | Tofe | ok well, rootsh reinstalled and re-fixed. not so much of a problem, but not too clean either |
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| 18:49.20 | SpeedEvil | I say go for it. |
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| 18:49.35 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: recovered... |
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| 18:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | Tofe: [2011-11-21 19:20:56] <DocScrutinizer> you could probably claim maintainership for the package |
| 18:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: how? |
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| 18:59.23 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: reflashing only PR_COMBINED |
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| 19:00.21 | Tofe | DocScrutinizer: well, I could, but I'm quite new to all this maemo tools, I may make stupid mistakes |
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| 19:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | nah, the process of uploading to extras-devel and promoting from there to -testing to extras proper is so tough defined and backed up by safety checks, you can't hardly spoil anything there |
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| 19:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | but thinking of it, I might do it as well |
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| 19:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | particularly for rootsh which is as tiny a pkg a starhash-enabler |
| 19:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | as* |
| 19:05.00 | Tofe | as you prefer |
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| 19:58.06 | aap | Thanks for power-kernel-49! Great work. |
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| 20:44.58 | badcloud | anyone get the fmradio to work? |
| 20:45.18 | badcloud | I've been trying some of the methods from mount c /home/raanan/.wine/drive_c/ |
| 20:45.24 | badcloud | whoops |
| 20:45.45 | badcloud | meant http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=64405 |
| 20:47.20 | badcloud | tried methods from ^ link |
| 20:47.31 | badcloud | but always get "Cannot load fm driver module" |
| 20:49.01 | plate | i had TO downgrade teo a yearold kernel for FM to work |
| 20:49.09 | plate | not sure wtf i did other than install power-kernel and apt-get upgrade unnecessarily |
| 20:49.39 | plate | baleted apt, dpkg, and /var/lib/dpkg so i dont upgrade again. maemo is effectively stable |
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| 20:50.21 | badcloud | plate: yeesh |
| 20:50.39 | badcloud | did you lose any functionality from kernel downgrade? |
| 20:50.45 | plate | nope |
| 20:50.56 | plate | the "new" kernel was still 2.6.28, so who knows what was changed |
| 20:51.04 | badcloud | ah |
| 20:51.24 | plate | i have 1 remaining issue with Maemo, voip.ms registration timeout no matter which KEepalive settings are chosen |
| 20:51.44 | plate | possibly a voip-provider issue, but im paying for a DID that rarely takes cals as a result |
| 20:51.52 | badcloud | which version kernel did you downgrade to? |
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| 20:52.20 | plate | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.44 | plate | i did exactly what that thread suggests: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55710 |
| 20:53.34 | plate | apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42 |
| 20:53.42 | badcloud | you mean 'apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42' ? |
| 20:53.54 | badcloud | whoops, mad delay on my part |
| 20:53.57 | plate | i didnt check dmesg |
| 20:53.58 | badcloud | thanks, plate |
| 20:54.05 | plate | to see why it wouldnt load |
| 20:54.25 | plate | considering fmrx is a seperate package, perhaps it needs to be rebuilt for each kernel upgrade |
| 20:55.36 | badcloud | installing, *fingers crossed" |
| 20:57.05 | plate | theres that ignore-version-mismatch flag you can pass to insmod/modprobe if you want to just grab an old bluetooth/fm module and try loading it |
| 20:57.08 | plate | not that id recommend that |
| 20:57.31 | plate | not sure if the module is straight up missing, or has some symbol/depmod issue on loading or what - why dont you run dmesg before downgrading? |
| 20:57.51 | plate | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.29 | badcloud | plate: only line I could find which might be relevant from dmesg "radio_bcm2048: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" |
| 21:01.41 | badcloud | so you're saying downgrading isn't the way to go? |
| 21:16.04 | plate | im saying try upgrading first |
| 21:16.06 | plate | then downgrading |
| 21:16.12 | plate | one will work, possibly both will |
| 21:16.23 | plate | normally depmod would have caught that error during build process, i think |
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| 21:22.33 | badcloud | downgrading worked :) |
| 21:22.38 | badcloud | thanks, plate |
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| 21:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | any networking gurus around? |
| 21:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | my router doesn't answer any DHCP-REQUEST and DHCP-DISCOVER, but only for my laptop |
| 22:00.11 | DocScrutinizer | to be precise they show up in wireshark on laptop, but seems DHCP server on that crap router ignores them |
| 22:01.11 | neal | EPARSE |
| 22:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | any idea what I could investigate? Booted router 5 times already, and did several /etc/init.d/network reload on PC |
| 22:01.54 | neal | your set up is not clear to me from your description |
| 22:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | I got a DLink router-modem with DHCP server (and some fixed IPs assigned to some MACs), and a laptop conected to that router via ethernet |
| 22:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | the laptop sends out DHCP-REQUEST but doesn't ever get an answer to assign an IP to network card |
| 22:03.36 | GeneralAntilles | Install Tomato? |
| 22:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | DL-515 rev3 or sth, no tomato for that rev AFAIK |
| 22:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | 615 |
| 22:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | Ver: D3 |
| 22:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | DIR-615 Ver: D3 |
| 22:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | I feel like fetching the sledge hammer |
| 22:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | chwart, crappy hw attitude recalib tool |
| 22:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | the funny bit: when I assign a hard IP to the eth0 on laptop, it works ;-P |
| 22:08.07 | DocScrutinizer | the idiot router even all the time asks "who got 192.168.1.30, tell 192.168.1.1" |
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| 22:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | but since my laptop didn't get any DHCP-lease yet, it doesn'T know to answer unless I assign 192.168.1.30 hard to the NIC, locally |
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| 22:11.05 | neal | is the dhcp server listening on that ethernet port? |
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| 22:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | is there any (avahi, msdomain, whatever) shit possibly causing a DHCP-server to shut up and not answer DHCP-DISCOVER from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 22:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | neal: how shall I know? this fsck crap brick router has not even telnet to log in and do something serious |
| 22:12.37 | neal | get an alix board :-) |
| 22:12.59 | neal | I can recommend vario as a reseller in .de |
| 22:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | probably usining my microwave as DSL-WLAN-router would yield better results than this crappy DIR-615 |
| 22:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | using* |
| 22:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | first N9 refused to get a lease via WLAN, then I did a router reset and suddenly N9 got IP and all w/o problems, but since then my laptop blows chunks |
| 22:14.59 | neal | they also have nice 9db omni antennas |
| 22:15.25 | DocScrutinizer | 9dB omni -WTF?! |
| 22:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | active? |
| 22:15.43 | neal | I have a 20 db sector from them |
| 22:16.15 | neal | http://shop.varia-store.com/product_info.php?info=p292_Omni-Antenna-9dbi-RP-SMA.html |
| 22:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, pringles can is easy - but *omni* |
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| 22:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | wow! |
| 22:19.53 | neal | I recommend the alix 2d2, fwiw, then you can have two minipci wlan cards |
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| 22:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, I just remember I had some similar problem with N950 when I first time added that MAC<->IP association to the list of fixed IPs of router, had to remove, and add it again to make it work. Maybe there's sth completely fsckd up, and I should redo config from scratch |
| 22:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | only problem for now: I'm "broke" till basically end of year |
| 22:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | so no alix for me |
| 22:23.50 | neal | sell your n9 |
| 22:23.58 | neal | you can trade it for 4 alixes :-) |
| 22:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | if only this Panasonic CF-25 had an ethenet plug :-/ CPU and RAM were just the right size for a nice linux-based router |
| 22:24.55 | neal | I hear old openmoko cases are going for 80Euros |
| 22:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | even "built-in admin console" :-D |
| 22:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT??? |
| 22:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | I AM RICH!!!!!! \o/ |
| 22:25.35 | neal | the gta04s don't come with a case |
| 22:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 22:25.47 | neal | and "a lot" of people who want them don't have cases |
| 22:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 22:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | alas they'll need not only a case but also the GSM ant, the tny transparent buttons (2 pcs), and that huge white silly void with speaker inside |
| 22:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | got no spares of that |
| 22:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | but I recently sold a complete GTA02 for 80 bucks |
| 22:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | incl 2nd space case |
| 22:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | spare |
| 22:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | sound like a poor deal on hindsight |
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| 22:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders how much he could ask for ~600 pcs 470uF SMT capacitors |
| 22:33.16 | neal | .34 Euros each |
| 22:33.22 | neal | plus 20 Euro processing fee |
| 22:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | good enough for me |
| 22:33.34 | neal | and 20 Euros for shipping |
| 22:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | interested? X-P |
| 22:33.41 | neal | sorry |
| 22:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | 5000 pcs BC374? SMT |
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| 22:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe some crunchy chip collection, consisting of S3C2410 Samsiung CPUs, several different NOR chips, RAMs etc? |
| 22:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | all new and unused |
| 22:39.30 | neal | who sells new and used parts? |
| 22:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/impressions-of-25c3/snc00243_jpg.jpeg.html teaser |
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| 23:03.56 | vi__ | MohammadAG: yo |
| 23:04.23 | vi__ | MohammadAG: i hope this whole maemo thing is on your CV |
| 23:04.45 | vi__ | future employers will bust a nut. |
| 23:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | for a starter, yes |
| 23:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | once you call yourself a "senior <whatever>" it will need az least teamlead of hostmode to make any impression on employers |
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