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| 00:27.42 | dangergrrl | i have noted that heavy wlan use makes the n900 use more power than the pc provides over usb |
| 00:28.28 | LaoLang_cool | dangergrrl: right, so the wlan should be turned off when idle |
| 00:29.21 | dangergrrl | i am using the n900 as a wlan to usbnet router for my desktop pc |
| 00:29.53 | dangergrrl | and i am broke for the month, can not just buy a usb wifi dongle :( |
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| 00:38.36 | ShadowJK | also connected to usb uses 80mA |
| 00:38.44 | ShadowJK | active wlan 250-ish. |
| 00:39.16 | ShadowJK | or 500-ish |
| 00:39.22 | ShadowJK | forgets |
| 00:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, hard to evaluate as WLAN also keeps CPU busy |
| 00:40.25 | nox- | you can lower tx power tho (if you're near the ap) |
| 00:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | but I honestly doubt a N900 tethered over USB, with screen and cellmo off, will eat more than 2.5W even on heavy WLAN usage |
| 00:41.52 | ShadowJK | txpower is marginal part of the power use |
| 00:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | yep, indeed |
| 00:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | 100mW |
| 00:42.11 | nox- | ah ok |
| 00:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | efficiency 50% = 200mW /5V = 40mA max on USB |
| 00:42.53 | ShadowJK | The only reason that option exists is to satisfy french regulations |
| 00:43.05 | ShadowJK | you can use 100mW indoors and 10mW outdoors in France |
| 00:43.13 | nox- | heh |
| 00:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooh thought it's completely prohibited outdoors |
| 00:44.13 | dangergrrl | oh, i could turn the gsm off while i am home |
| 00:44.31 | dangergrrl | no cell in range here, i am in a canyon |
| 00:44.47 | dangergrrl | like once every 8 hours or so my text messages go through |
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| 00:45.01 | dangergrrl | that would lower my power use, yes? |
| 00:45.22 | ShadowJK | a bit |
| 00:45.48 | ShadowJK | how warm is your N900? |
| 00:46.11 | dangergrrl | fairly warm |
| 00:46.25 | dangergrrl | but not hot right now, my torrent finished :) |
| 00:47.06 | ShadowJK | heh |
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| 01:59.15 | LaoLang_cool | which cmd can I run in xterm to invoke the view of app list? |
| 01:59.50 | LaoLang_cool | And is it possible to hide the app list icon on the top left of the desktop? |
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| 04:02.49 | woldrich | what's 'view of app list'? |
| 04:03.18 | woldrich | if you mean installed packaged, dpkg --get-selections should work |
| 04:04.05 | woldrich | oh dear. 2089 packages |
| 04:06.04 | woldrich | at least half of them seems to be language files for obscure languages like swedish, I don't want this, can we tell dpkg to just install the english files? |
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| 06:35.39 | LaoLang_cool | woldrich: the view of the app list is the view after you click the icon at the top left |
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| 09:35.11 | cityLights | ~seem MohhamadAG |
| 09:35.16 | cityLights | ~seen MohhamadAG |
| 09:35.23 | infobot | i haven't seen 'mohhamadag', cityLights |
| 09:35.24 | Sicelo | one h |
| 09:35.40 | cityLights | ~seen DocScrutinizer |
| 09:35.40 | infobot | docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (10h 36m 20s) #n9 (10h 36m 20s) #harmattan (10h 36m 20s) #meego (10h 36m 20s) #openmoko (10h 36m 20s) #infobot (10h 36m 20s) #openmoko-cdevel (10h 36m 20s). Has said a total of 52 messages. Is idling for 6h 35m 32s, last said: 'n8'. |
| 09:36.26 | Sicelo | ~seen MohammadAG |
| 09:36.27 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (1d 11h 50m 36s) #harmattan (1d 11h 50m 36s) #meego (1d 11h 50m 36s). Has said a total of 63 messages. Is idling for 14h 14m 54s, last said: 'slow as fuck though, 64MBs of RAM :P'. |
| 09:36.41 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: dnsmasq was working well |
| 09:36.42 | Sicelo | ~seen DocScrutinizer51 |
| 09:36.43 | infobot | docscrutinizer51 is currently on #maemo (2d 19h 48m 9s) #harmattan (2d 19h 48m 9s) #openmoko (2d 19h 48m 9s) #openmoko-cdevel (2d 19h 48m 9s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 13h 17m 41s, last said: 'damn 3G cuts thru my battery in mere 9h of IRC standby'. |
| 09:36.53 | cityLights | yet the domain suffix is not used |
| 09:37.13 | cityLights | so name DOESNT query name.domain.net |
| 09:37.41 | cityLights | the line search does appear in the resolv.conf.tun0 |
| 09:38.04 | cityLights | MohammadAG: was up? |
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| 09:48.38 | RST38h | moos |
| 09:52.46 | neal | Phlogistique: pong |
| 09:55.35 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/16/nokia_exec_confirms_june_2012_windows_8_tablet_release/ <-- erm "Amsellem also likened Nokia's newly released Lumia 800 Windows Phone 7 smartphone to auto maker BMW's 5 Series." |
| 09:55.52 | RST38h | Oh well |
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| 11:12.17 | RST38h | Anyone alive? |
| 11:12.32 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure. |
| 11:12.43 | SpeedEvil | It's 11AM, but I may be going back to sleep. |
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| 11:30.57 | Phlogistique | neal: isn't your repo down? |
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| 12:14.10 | neal | Phlogistique: I'm not sure I understand the question. |
| 12:14.42 | neal | Phlogistique: hssl.cs.jhu.edu is accessible and up for over a month... |
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| 12:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: nice |
| 12:31.44 | cityLights | hi |
| 12:32.07 | cityLights | ok, how can I solve the domain problem? |
| 12:32.32 | cityLights | so when I ping name, dnsmasq will try name.domainnet? |
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| 12:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, seems I don't know how to implement that on a dnsmasq based system like maemo. On a resolver-only system it seems to get managed by netconfig |
| 12:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | might be related to /etc/hostname |
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| 13:06.05 | cityLights | I am seeking to dynamicly join a host to a domain |
| 13:06.10 | cityLights | I guess |
| 13:06.34 | cityLights | as for MohammdAG - did he get his N9? |
| 13:06.40 | RST38h | no |
| 13:06.54 | cityLights | can I buy it in brusells at fosdem? |
| 13:06.59 | LaoLang_cool | I notice that maemo has a clipboard-manager |
| 13:07.01 | cityLights | feb.... |
| 13:07.05 | LaoLang_cool | What's it? |
| 13:07.29 | RST38h | software that manages clipboard contents, no? |
| 13:07.42 | LaoLang_cool | I try to run in in xterm, but it says only allow one |
| 13:10.05 | RST38h | maybe that is because a copy is already running? |
| 13:10.05 | LaoLang_cool | RST38h: Is there a multi-clipboard manager? so I can copy several contents and paste them |
| 13:10.20 | RST38h | maybe, jabe you searched downloads.maemo.org? |
| 13:10.28 | RST38h | s/jave/have/ |
| 13:12.16 | LaoLang_cool | RST38h: My poor English, don't know what the right keyword is, I searched with 'clipboard', only 'clipboard-manager' returned |
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| 13:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: from my opensuse system: http://paste.debian.net/145759/ |
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| 13:13.55 | derf | LaoLang_cool: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1001316 |
| 13:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: note please this system isn't dnsmasq based |
| 13:14.27 | cityLights | you are very kind! |
| 13:15.00 | cityLights | RST38h: so its "lost" in customes? |
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| 13:15.47 | RST38h | city: customs asked for some permit from some ministry, and also for more money |
| 13:16.17 | cityLights | I can get permits and have $$ |
| 13:16.21 | cityLights | may I help |
| 13:16.22 | cityLights | ? |
| 13:17.12 | cityLights | I want to keep using linux on my cellular -> I want to buy n9 |
| 13:17.24 | _nicolai_ | LaoLang_cool, clipman http://maemo.org/packages/view/clipman/ |
| 13:17.27 | LaoLang_cool | derf: thanks, not exact what I want, but it's close. |
| 13:17.29 | cityLights | I need hebrew -> mohammadag can do it |
| 13:17.47 | cityLights | there for, I need mohammad ag to have a n9! |
| 13:18.07 | RST38h | all you need is English |
| 13:18.38 | LaoLang_cool | _nicolai_: thanks. Yes. But the tool I want is that it can make ctrl-v pop up a menu and let you select the content you've copyied |
| 13:18.47 | cityLights | ok, I WANT hebrew |
| 13:18.51 | cityLights | and rtl |
| 13:18.53 | LaoLang_cool | RST38h: sorry, my English is broken, I know |
| 13:19.22 | RST38h | city: Mohammad will just add arabic =) |
| 13:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~israel-sucks |
| 13:21.29 | infobot | israel-sucks is probably http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A |
| 13:21.47 | RST38h | Ahhaha |
| 13:22.08 | RST38h | probably needs to be renamed to customs-suck or just customs =) |
| 13:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo israel-sucks |
| 13:22.27 | infobot | israel-sucks -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> 6d 14h 35m 57s ago; it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 58s ago. |
| 13:22.34 | cityLights | wow |
| 13:22.37 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:22.37 | cityLights | amazing |
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| 13:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | this no N9 |
| 13:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno if MohammadAG will receive an N9 right away from DDP, anyway this is N950 |
| 13:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: and I doubt MohammadAG will add hebrew ;-P - heard he hates it in university |
| 13:26.23 | cityLights | I am the one to solve this |
| 13:26.35 | cityLights | getting a pkg from dhl every week |
| 13:26.48 | cityLights | and I did offer my help |
| 13:26.56 | cityLights | for free! |
| 13:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade promised to push/cp/mv whatever the needed bits to cssu repo today, so we might see cssu-T17 next 24h finally |
| 13:28.00 | cityLights | I know how to get the special permits |
| 13:28.07 | cityLights | did it a few times |
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| 13:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: last info about this unfortunate case is IL "FCC" seized the device and asked for some nonexistent "permission" according to a website they coded during the time the device got delayed at customs |
| 13:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | now Nokia claims back the device from DHL and sends another one |
| 13:29.33 | cityLights | ok, should I go to their offices and release it? |
| 13:29.42 | cityLights | its 7km from here |
| 13:30.04 | cityLights | and I remeber the names of the officals there |
| 13:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | I think the ball is in Nokia's half again |
| 13:30.36 | cityLights | next time I should help |
| 13:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | last time the N950 went thru to MohammadAG w/o problems, this time customs fscked it up |
| 13:31.50 | cityLights | better yet, I can get it at fosdem for him |
| 13:32.02 | cityLights | as long as I can buy my n9 |
| 13:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-11-15.log.html#t2011-11-15T19:47:37 >>so, Nokia's claiming the N950 back and are sending me another one tomorrow<< ff |
| 13:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bvrkuGNA |
| 13:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | >> <MohammadAG> the whole delay was so they could code the website |
| 13:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | >> <MohammadAG> and I must say, they're slow, http://www.moc.gov.il/8-he/MOC.aspx |
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| 13:48.58 | luke-jr | never heard back from Nokia on N950 at all |
| 13:50.46 | RST38h | ...A Chinese biologist has collected five tons of panda crap which he plans to use to make cancer-fighting tea, which will sell at a cup-dropping $36,000 a pound... |
| 13:51.14 | ShadowJK | i guess that's better than selling panda paws as cancer cure |
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| 13:51.31 | RST38h | And just as effective |
| 13:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Panda paws are a renewable resource. |
| 13:51.46 | SpeedEvil | We have the technology. We can rebuild them! |
| 13:51.54 | Macer | hahahahaha |
| 13:52.20 | Macer | lmfao |
| 13:52.51 | Macer | luke-jr: heard from nokia about am n950? |
| 13:53.05 | luke-jr | … |
| 13:53.31 | Macer | are you on the dev a list? |
| 13:53.39 | luke-jr | what dev a list? |
| 13:53.45 | Macer | A List :-) |
| 13:53.54 | luke-jr | English |
| 13:54.05 | ShadowJK | yes please |
| 13:54.15 | Macer | meaning are you under the assumption tjat you rate an n950? |
| 13:54.20 | Macer | that |
| 13:55.13 | Macer | :-) |
| 13:55.30 | luke-jr | ignores Macer until he wakes up enough to speak Englsih |
| 13:55.36 | Macer | uhm |
| 13:55.39 | ShadowJK | too |
| 13:55.52 | Macer | i am asking what you contacted them about |
| 13:56.34 | luke-jr | I said I do the Gentoo ports, and asked if their thing was strictly Maemo-only. |
| 13:56.42 | luke-jr | not only did they not send me one, they never answered the question :P |
| 13:56.54 | Macer | nokia will not dish out to developers who werent hanging onto their testicles throughout the entire meego process |
| 13:57.13 | Macer | lmao! for gentoo?? |
| 13:57.28 | Macer | i woild have deleted that email too |
| 13:57.36 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 13:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: >>nokia will not dish out to developers who werent hanging onto their testicles throughout the entire meego process<< still not good enough for the WTF of the week, try harder ;-D |
| 13:58.38 | Macer | the n950s are for real development for meego and not for some gross hackery to get some lame linux distro working on it |
| 13:58.58 | aholler_ | s/are/were/ |
| 13:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | this sentence almost makes sense to me now :-) |
| 13:59.14 | Macer | aholler_: fair point |
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| 14:00.30 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: really.. thought that made the wtf of the week lol |
| 14:00.34 | RST38h | Meego? What is Meego? |
| 14:00.42 | luke-jr | Macer: MeeGo is a lame joke. |
| 14:01.12 | Macer | luke-jr: maybe. but as far as lame linux distros go. gentoo has to be pretty high up there. |
| 14:01.32 | luke-jr | no, Gentoo has a comfortable niche |
| 14:01.50 | Macer | and you are writong to nokia not to develop... but to hack to get some linux distro working |
| 14:02.09 | Macer | which... based on experience from all prevopus models... |
| 14:02.18 | Macer | will never worl properly |
| 14:02.24 | Macer | work |
| 14:02.52 | Macer | damn hc vkb |
| 14:03.12 | RST38h | luke: comfortable for whom? |
| 14:03.30 | RST38h | luke: red-eyed linux geeks recompiling their kernel nightly? =) |
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| 14:03.38 | luke-jr | meh, the N950s were just loaners anyway? |
| 14:03.45 | Macer | RST38h: people who like to watch a screen scrolling endlessly |
| 14:03.46 | luke-jr | RST38h: troll |
| 14:04.00 | Macer | i have a loaner n900 |
| 14:04.05 | Macer | made in finland |
| 14:04.12 | RST38h | like: arguably, a much better occupation |
| 14:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ALL Nokia DDP devices were loaners ever since |
| 14:04.43 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: maybe. but my N900 wasn't. |
| 14:04.48 | Macer | luke-jr: i am just messing with you |
| 14:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 14:05.01 | luke-jr | I guess the difference is, Nokia has no intention of ever making N950 available |
| 14:05.11 | woldrich | but why. idiots. |
| 14:05.15 | Macer | but in all good honesty.. from the nokia perspective |
| 14:05.24 | woldrich | they have customers that want it damn it |
| 14:05.27 | Macer | if i worked there and read that email i would have read "Gentoo" and "delete" |
| 14:05.28 | Macer | heh |
| 14:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: so you are definitely the only guy that got a N900 gift from Nokia |
| 14:05.41 | Macer | in their eyes the n950s were for serious developers |
| 14:06.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: doubt it |
| 14:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | except maybe some Nokia internals, like konttori etc |
| 14:06.12 | Macer | woldrich: because mass production would cost them more than they would gain |
| 14:06.24 | aholler_ | Macer: stop trolling, you obviously know nothing about gentoo |
| 14:06.31 | woldrich | Macer, really? the n900 isn't that different |
| 14:06.38 | HaXeri | DocScrutinizer: they aren't |
| 14:06.43 | Macer | woldrich: most companies learn from their mistakes |
| 14:06.49 | HaXeri | why would a developer make a software for MeeGo? |
| 14:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | HaXeri: ?? |
| 14:06.52 | Macer | the n900 didn't bring either profit or good reviews |
| 14:06.58 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: in fact, I know slono got one too |
| 14:07.03 | Macer | because most joe users didn't like the non-portrait |
| 14:07.09 | woldrich | I havent read many bad reviews of the n900 |
| 14:07.10 | Macer | or the non-flashy hildon |
| 14:07.20 | HaXeri | DocScrutinizer: making app for Windows 7 mobile or iOS would be 100 times more profitable than doing it for maemo |
| 14:07.22 | Macer | woldrich: well i am sure many did |
| 14:07.24 | HaXeri | *meego |
| 14:07.37 | Macer | not only reviews on sites that review things.. but purchasing sites as well |
| 14:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I got a N900 too, and managed another 5 or 6 to go to felow devels. ALL were loaners |
| 14:07.56 | Macer | if someone goes to amazon and thinks an n900 was a good device.. if they even knew what it was... and see 1 str |
| 14:07.59 | Macer | star |
| 14:08.04 | Macer | next... let me get a droid instead |
| 14:08.10 | Macer | or and iphone :) |
| 14:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: re-read the papers you signed |
| 14:08.28 | Macer | why would nokia put that much money behind something that wouldn't sell? just like the n900 didn't sell |
| 14:08.35 | Macer | compared to all other devices |
| 14:08.40 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I signed nothing. |
| 14:08.47 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it just showed up in the mail one day. |
| 14:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | amazing |
| 14:09.19 | Macer | woldrich: i am not being a jerk towards you... and i love my n900. but playing devil's advocate... that is what i think nokia would say |
| 14:09.30 | woldrich | well fuck you nokia |
| 14:09.33 | Macer | just as i think nokia wouldn't give 2 secs to an email asking for an n950 to put gentoo on it |
| 14:09.57 | Macer | if gentoo was in the subject.. they probably deleted it right away and didn't even open it |
| 14:10.27 | woldrich | yeah we've heard that 3 times already |
| 14:10.34 | Macer | they have a hard enough time with meego.. for which the n950 was made to support.. let alone a whole other fork of people bugging them for gentoo related problems |
| 14:10.54 | Macer | why even start a headache like that? |
| 14:11.29 | luke-jr | Macer: considering that Gentoo is the only OS actually supported for N8x0 and N900 now… |
| 14:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | there's been meego-arm |
| 14:11.51 | Macer | as well as maemo-ssu |
| 14:11.53 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: they still support N8x0 and N900? |
| 14:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | which is all Nokia will care about for N9(50) - if anything |
| 14:13.03 | Macer | luke-jr: you have a fair point in that your gentoo projects do continue on the n8x0.. if i can't get debian running on my n810 i will use gentoo ;) |
| 14:13.15 | Macer | but that is simply because i am abandoning it as a device |
| 14:13.21 | Macer | and going to use it as a small powered server |
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| 14:13.42 | Macer | something it was not intended to be |
| 14:14.23 | Macer | if the synology diskstation i have can not handle certain things though. so far the thing is a beast. |
| 14:14.41 | Macer | otherwise my n810 will be placed somewhere as a glorified mp3 player |
| 14:14.58 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.15 | luke-jr | except N810 doesn't have FM… |
| 14:16.34 | Macer | oh.. really? haven't used it in a while.. ah well |
| 14:16.41 | Macer | then glorified mp3 player :) |
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| 14:36.36 | Macer | wikipedia is always begging for money |
| 14:36.57 | Macer | i sure hope the owner doesn't make 7 figures |
| 14:38.20 | RST38h | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Damage_%28film%29 |
| 14:38.33 | RST38h | Macer: find 10 differences |
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| 14:45.32 | Macer | RST38h: nice! |
| 14:45.39 | Macer | i have to see that |
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| 14:48.41 | luke-jr | prefers Wikipedia die |
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| 15:10.33 | Phlogistique | neal: oh. Yesterday I had problems with it. OK. |
| 15:11.19 | neal | Phlogistique: Have you decided to write a twitter client? |
| 15:11.56 | Phlogistique | no, Khwitteur is fine |
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| 15:12.14 | Phlogistique | thank you :) |
| 15:12.25 | neal | no problem :) |
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| 17:10.50 | smhar_ | greetings |
| 17:12.55 | smhar_ | when I run the App manager to update my N900, it tells me that there are no updates available, but when I run apt-get upgrade it says there are 36 updates, what could be wrong? |
| 17:15.19 | Trizt | smhar_: I would guess on that you run the "hack" to disable the auto-check of updates when the phone gets on-line, think this does also affect the app manager. |
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| 17:59.34 | sombragris | hi there... good afternoon |
| 18:00.03 | sombragris | I have a question: How can I get a replacement stylus for N900? I lost one and I can't seem to find it... |
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| 18:24.15 | MohammadAG | opinions? http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/?p=50 |
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| 18:24.51 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: sounds interesting |
| 18:25.04 | lardman|home | sort of like Google Latitude, but with better controls |
| 18:25.55 | lardman|home | I'd add to the list of things to look at, the ability to hook into existing location services by default, e.g. latitude |
| 18:26.28 | lardman|home | so that those with a different phone, and until someone ports the app, have a way of interacting too |
| 18:26.40 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: interesting idea |
| 18:27.31 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, I'm l ooking for devs on all platforms |
| 18:27.33 | MohammadAG | looking* |
| 18:27.43 | MohammadAG | I already got some iOS devs interested, we're fine for Maemo/MeeGo |
| 18:27.50 | lardman|home | ok |
| 18:27.55 | MohammadAG | if it's in Qt/QML that's symbian covered too |
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| 18:28.08 | MohammadAG | and desktops, though mostly useless there |
| 18:28.20 | MohammadAG | mostly FYI, you can find your own phone with this theoriticly |
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| 18:28.50 | MohammadAG | if you request your phone's location from your username, no prompt should show |
| 18:29.11 | lardman|home | on the phone |
| 18:29.16 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 18:29.24 | MohammadAG | ideally we'll have a web interface for this |
| 18:29.39 | MohammadAG | so modern browsers can use it too |
| 18:29.50 | lardman|home | though that is catered for by other services isn't it, I'm more interested in the being able to find other people with e.g. time or location radius criteria for them and me |
| 18:29.52 | MohammadAG | mobile browsers should be able to handle these things |
| 18:30.20 | lardman|home | "that is catered for" <- finding your phone if it's "borrowed" |
| 18:30.34 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, the point is finding people |
| 18:30.40 | MohammadAG | but you can also use it to find your phone |
| 18:30.53 | lardman|home | sure, so an added bonus |
| 18:30.54 | MohammadAG | (that's not the main point though) |
| 18:30.58 | MohammadAG | yeah, exactly |
| 18:32.05 | lardman|home | would be useful to do offline cell id location |
| 18:32.47 | MohammadAG | we could add an option for "fallback to SMS when no connection is available" |
| 18:33.05 | MohammadAG | the server would send a hash + some code that's suppressed by the phone UI |
| 18:33.19 | MohammadAG | and that replies back to the server |
| 18:33.30 | MohammadAG | though all this (even without the SMS part) needs something to be paid |
| 18:33.33 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure which one |
| 18:33.45 | MohammadAG | whether it's the API, the app, etc, we need some $$$ to run the servers |
| 18:34.03 | lardman|home | yeah, that is a minor problem |
| 18:34.05 | lardman|home | ;) |
| 18:34.33 | hiemanshu | charge for membership |
| 18:34.37 | lardman|home | hmm |
| 18:35.02 | lardman|home | small charge or donate, presumably that would be sufficient to run the servers with sufficient uptake |
| 18:35.20 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, donations aren't that stable for an income |
| 18:35.25 | MohammadAG | anyway, we'll decide later |
| 18:35.33 | MohammadAG | I'm planning to make a team for this |
| 18:35.40 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: no, though if the donations are significantly more than the running costs that's not an issue |
| 18:36.14 | hiemanshu | lardman|home: when does that ever happen in the real world? ( except wikipedia) |
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| 18:36.36 | lardman|home | hiemanshu: depends what the running costs are and how many people use it |
| 18:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | hell, help! we dunno where to stash all the money from donations! |
| 18:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 18:36.57 | lardman|home | lol |
| 18:37.07 | hiemanshu | running costs I expect $8-10 a month for a decent VPS |
| 18:37.12 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: LOL |
| 18:37.18 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, remember the server will be doing lots of connections |
| 18:37.27 | MohammadAG | I plan to have an open app = open TCP connection |
| 18:37.58 | lardman|home | p2p? |
| 18:38.22 | lardman|home | not sure how that would be implemented, and it would use more bandwidth |
| 18:38.22 | MohammadAG | phones have batteries, not a power supply :p |
| 18:38.43 | MohammadAG | P2P? |
| 18:38.55 | MohammadAG | an open connection would be better tbh |
| 18:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | for a reference: donations for hostmode yielded marginally more than 100 bucks in more than a year |
| 18:41.49 | MohammadAG | I got $80 for Sociality in 2 months, but then poof :p |
| 18:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | basically same as for h-e-n, yes |
| 18:43.13 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: I never used hostmode, and equally there weren't many users in total in the grand scheme of things |
| 18:43.28 | lardman|home | not compared with a cross-platform location tool anyway |
| 18:43.43 | MohammadAG | oh hey |
| 18:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:43.57 | MohammadAG | we could make it paid on iOS |
| 18:43.57 | MohammadAG | that's a good income |
| 18:43.57 | lardman|home | lol |
| 18:44.57 | lardman|home | Anyway, whichever way it needs to be done that sounds reasonable |
| 18:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | print a fat "I AM RICH" on top of screen on the iOS app, and sell it for 499 bucks |
| 18:45.33 | lardman|home | has always thought a nice server on which to run number crunching code for e.g. voice recog would be nice and useful ;) |
| 18:45.34 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 18:45.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wasn't that done |
| 18:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | could be done again |
| 18:45.50 | MohammadAG | and it was 7k not 500 |
| 18:45.57 | MohammadAG | or I could be mistaken |
| 18:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | nah, think you're right |
| 18:46.16 | MohammadAG | no |
| 18:46.18 | MohammadAG | 6.999k |
| 18:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | THIS was FRIGGIN BRILLIANT! |
| 18:47.01 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: so could the server be extended to do things like traffic speed calculation...? |
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| 18:47.16 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, yes, but Waze does that no? |
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| 18:47.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 1k |
| 18:47.35 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: so I understand, but do we have a client? |
| 18:48.16 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: which also triggers the question of whether the server is required, or whether an app could simply turn an exsiting service on and off |
| 18:48.40 | lardman|home | also I don't afaik have access to the Waze server code |
| 18:49.15 | MohammadAG | Sorry, it's cause I have an iPod |
| 18:49.23 | MohammadAG | and an iPhone, though that's at Orange for replacement |
| 18:49.34 | MohammadAG | iPod going tomorrow for $200 |
| 18:49.34 | lardman|home | Good God, an iPhone..... |
| 18:49.45 | lardman|home | what has the world come to |
| 18:49.47 | lardman|home | ? |
| 18:49.49 | MohammadAG | it's useful to have |
| 18:49.52 | MohammadAG | for two reasons |
| 18:49.59 | MohammadAG | Waze = you know shit on the road |
| 18:49.59 | lardman|home | coaster? |
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| 18:50.13 | MohammadAG | Second, my bill was 150-250 bucks a month |
| 18:50.19 | MohammadAG | getting the iPhone got it down to 50 |
| 18:50.24 | lardman|home | an open source waze would be cool |
| 18:50.29 | MohammadAG | Totally |
| 18:50.31 | lardman|home | ouch at the bill |
| 18:50.38 | MohammadAG | but we need users |
| 18:50.41 | MohammadAG | that's what Waze has |
| 18:50.45 | MohammadAG | at least in Israel |
| 18:50.52 | lardman|home | sure |
| 18:50.58 | MohammadAG | I mean, I see about 70 on an intersection on long roads |
| 18:51.02 | lardman|home | has a look to see what else Waze does |
| 18:51.19 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, tracks you and reports hazards/police/stuff like that to you |
| 18:51.40 | MohammadAG | "Hazard reported ahead" is spoken, and a count-down-like distance label |
| 18:51.57 | MohammadAG | "Police reported ahead" |
| 18:52.13 | MohammadAG | "Speed trap reported ahead", as well as Red light camera + fake camera etc |
| 18:52.23 | lardman|home | ah ok |
| 18:52.24 | MohammadAG | it also shows other users' speeds |
| 18:52.36 | MohammadAG | basically, we need access to Waze's servers to make an open source successful app |
| 18:52.42 | lardman|home | is there a need to replace it for those aspects? |
| 18:52.43 | MohammadAG | the amount of data they have is awesome |
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| 18:53.28 | lardman|home | yeah, so they have mapping data from somewhere, speed camera data from somewhere, presumable landmark (petrol station) data, routing data, and then finally user speed data for routing, etc |
| 18:53.38 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, no |
| 18:53.45 | MohammadAG | mapping data was created by users driving |
| 18:53.56 | lardman|home | oh ok |
| 18:53.56 | MohammadAG | they have their own maps |
| 18:54.15 | lardman|home | I think I'd prefer to use OSM and then add to that |
| 18:54.36 | MohammadAG | no |
| 18:54.40 | MohammadAG | their maps are dynamic |
| 18:54.45 | MohammadAG | basically, you don't get images |
| 18:54.56 | lardman|home | what do you mean? |
| 18:54.57 | MohammadAG | the app gets data + locations, so the app receives text only |
| 18:55.11 | MohammadAG | and the app itself paints the data |
| 18:55.40 | lardman|home | format differences aside, not much different to receiving some vector data surely? |
| 18:56.53 | lardman|home | Anyway I could imagine using OSM as a backend for road and landmark data (do they have speed cameras?) |
| 18:57.25 | lardman|home | I wonder if the on-device client could also hook into the Waze network as a client and then "borrow" data about roadspeeds |
| 18:57.33 | lardman|home | not sure if that's exposed or against the terms of use |
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| 18:58.05 | lardman|home | traffic blockages, roadworks and the like can be had for free by a little webscraping or RDS if you're not in the UK |
| 18:58.35 | lardman|home | I wonder if RDS traffic data can be reproduced in the UK or if that's again against the terms of use...? |
| 18:59.30 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: Anyway my point was that the knowing the location of your friends is compelling imo, but that there are other possible apps that could use the same backend data |
| 18:59.46 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, maybe in future versions |
| 18:59.55 | MohammadAG | basically right now, the app needs to use very little battery |
| 19:00.12 | lardman|home | sure |
| 19:00.13 | MohammadAG | as in, when someone requests your location, your phone's pinged, GPS is sent and switched off |
| 19:00.22 | lardman|home | I was just thinking about what one could do with servers ;) |
| 19:01.07 | lardman|home | Is it possible to ping a phone on a 3G connection? |
| 19:01.45 | lardman|home | especially if it's moving in and out of signal and across cell towers? (/me has no idea) |
| 19:01.53 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, http://i42.tinypic.com/2chqmtk.jpg |
| 19:02.05 | MohammadAG | btw, next to time you can see free memory, so have a laugh |
| 19:02.50 | lardman|home | what is that Waze? |
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| 19:04.25 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 19:05.01 | lardman|home | pretty sparse in the UK outside of London |
| 19:05.21 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 19:05.22 | lardman|home | but going back to my question, can you really do push updates? |
| 19:05.23 | MohammadAG | more incoming |
| 19:05.40 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, on? |
| 19:05.51 | lardman|home | ? |
| 19:05.52 | MohammadAG | technically you can, waze does that after all |
| 19:06.23 | lardman|home | does it, or does it get the phone to auto-update every X minutes? |
| 19:06.28 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, http://i39.tinypic.com/35l9cwm.jpg |
| 19:07.06 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, http://i44.tinypic.com/a4lh1d.jpg |
| 19:07.19 | lardman|home | yeah certainly seems useful, though I'd prefer to have access to the raw data and to then process it for e.g. routing info |
| 19:07.26 | MohammadAG | http://i39.tinypic.com/d5eza.jpg |
| 19:07.58 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, this is probably what you mean http://i40.tinypic.com/2mxq5tx.jpg |
| 19:09.01 | lardman|home | yeah knowing the median road speed, plus using historic data, would be an interesting tihng to look at |
| 19:09.37 | lardman|home | so fine Waze currently does that, though if your app takes off, you potentially have far more users |
| 19:09.57 | lardman|home | but back to the main goal of your app, how would the updates be performed? |
| 19:10.01 | Macer | ugh |
| 19:10.17 | Macer | the gvoice plugin is driving me nuts |
| 19:10.20 | MohammadAG | for tracking? open TCP connection |
| 19:10.25 | Macer | it is totally broken |
| 19:10.34 | MohammadAG | the locating? simple push of data then disconnect |
| 19:10.35 | lardman|home | i.e. can the server actually ping an individual device, or is the device told when to connect and update its location/speed/etc |
| 19:10.36 | Macer | keeps making duplicate contacts |
| 19:10.51 | Macer | or messes up when starting an "IM" for txting |
| 19:11.05 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, second |
| 19:11.10 | Macer | where the im isnt associasted with the contact you stasrted it with |
| 19:11.12 | lardman|home | np |
| 19:11.21 | Macer | is there any active dev being done on it? |
| 19:11.22 | MohammadAG | an open TCP connection is left, when that receives a connect request it does a full connection |
| 19:11.29 | MohammadAG | on what |
| 19:11.31 | Macer | or a better way to use gvoice in maemo? |
| 19:11.43 | Macer | theonering? |
| 19:11.54 | Macer | gvoice plugin for maemo |
| 19:12.13 | MohammadAG | there was a plan for Nokia to update it through the CSSU, not sure about it |
| 19:12.18 | Macer | damn |
| 19:12.23 | Macer | that is doubtful |
| 19:12.33 | Macer | nokia never does anything |
| 19:13.08 | Macer | the worst is when it really gets screwed up and when you txt your msgs show up as someone else's number or name |
| 19:13.35 | Macer | if you txt you have to open the contact card and merge it with the contact |
| 19:13.44 | Macer | otherwise it won't show their name |
| 19:14.01 | Macer | maybe i will try dialcentral |
| 19:14.17 | Macer | bdecause this plugin totally sucks.. it is horribly broken |
| 19:15.11 | Macer | also when you set up the forwarding number it places it as the screen name |
| 19:15.37 | Macer | so whenever you reconnect your screen name in your im is your number instead of the sceen name you set |
| 19:16.05 | Macer | but the worst part is the way it doesn't properly integrate with contacts |
| 19:16.27 | Macer | even if you merge all the contacts.. upon reconnect.. you have a ton of duplicate contacts again |
| 19:16.49 | Macer | even if the gvoice info is already merged into existing contacts |
| 19:17.29 | Macer | is it even worth filing a bug on all this stuff considering it hasn't been updated forever and there seems to be no active dev for it? |
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| 19:21.50 | Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=The_One_Ring&diff=41851&oldid=41828 |
| 19:22.09 | Macer | So you might be using Dialcentral and be thinking "the chat system is horrible and I want to use my system's contacts. |
| 19:22.38 | Macer | hahahaha!! .. nice to see they improved upon that (sarcasm) :) |
| 19:27.55 | Macer | i am trying to find out where you file bugs |
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| 19:31.52 | Macer | i will file a bug on it but its repair is doubtful tbh |
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| 19:35.48 | jargon- | does mpd+ncmpcpp work on the n900 in freemantle? has anyone successfully tried this? what other mpd-clients work on n900 freemantle? |
| 19:36.18 | mgedmin | mmpc is nice |
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| 19:36.35 | mgedmin | in fact the nicest mpd client I've ever seen on any platform, probably |
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| 19:37.25 | jargon- | mgedmin: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients they say here it's for 800/810. will it work on 900 too? |
| 19:37.49 | mgedmin | I have it on my n900 |
| 19:37.56 | jargon- | ok |
| 19:38.04 | jargon- | i'll try it out then |
| 19:38.16 | mgedmin | it's possible I've never used it on my n900, but it runs |
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| 19:38.23 | mgedmin | (just checked) |
| 19:38.29 | jargon- | ok |
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| 19:45.38 | Macer | nice |
| 19:46.02 | Macer | have to love how maemo.org doesnt have a common user database for filing bugs |
| 19:46.07 | Macer | :) |
| 19:46.18 | Macer | so i have to make an acct for both? |
| 19:46.21 | Gh0sty | SSO is an illusion |
| 19:46.26 | Gh0sty | it doesn not exist anywhere ... |
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| 19:48.16 | SpeedEvil | It kinda does now. |
| 19:48.22 | SpeedEvil | points to facebook.com. |
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| 19:51.50 | jargon- | hmm. where do i find mpd in the pkgmgr? it's not called mpd,apparently. |
| 19:52.20 | jargon- | frak. brb. |
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| 20:04.34 | jargon- | is there no way to search the pkgmgr? |
| 20:05.26 | SpeedEvil | apt-cache search |
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| 20:05.47 | jargon- | doing that now,actually. was hoping the GUI one had that feature too |
| 20:07.05 | jargon- | well i found libmpd "High-level client library for accessing Music Player Daemon", but i see no actual Music Player Daemon. :-/ |
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| 20:09.44 | neal | mpd runs on a different server |
| 20:09.58 | neal | typically |
| 20:10.07 | jargon- | neal: aaah i see |
| 20:10.21 | neal | I have a music server, which is headless |
| 20:10.23 | neal | it runs mpd |
| 20:10.34 | neal | I control it using an mpd client |
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| 21:09.50 | trumee | does N900 offer better 3g speed compared to N95? |
| 21:10.37 | trumee | i want to use the phone as a dumb modem, and have a choice between N95 and N900 |
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| 21:13.22 | Technomike | hey guys |
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| 21:14.19 | Technomike | just to confirm... can i install the latest cssu on the latest maemo software 1.3.1 |
| 21:14.36 | Macer | this made in china battery charger actually works pretty well |
| 21:15.06 | Sicelo | yes Technomike |
| 21:15.07 | Macer | i have a nice little 3 battery rotation going on :) |
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| 21:32.15 | technomike` | Sicelo - i will backup but does it retain apps and settings etc |
| 21:32.41 | Sicelo | yes.. i installed stable CSSU |
| 21:32.59 | technomike` | ok thanks :) |
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| 22:27.59 | Macer | wow see... now i opened conversations and i have contacts mixed up |
| 22:28.22 | Macer | one is a gvoice txt that is for one contact but showing the info from another |
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