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| 00:04.32 | mgedmin | I'd forgotten the n900 had a vkb :D |
| 00:04.35 | mgedmin | it was so crap |
| 00:05.30 | SpeedEvil | I find it occasionally useful. |
| 00:05.41 | SpeedEvil | It's handy for several chars, singlehanded |
| 00:05.46 | ShadowJK | Nokia at one point promised they'd make a vkbd with feedback you could feel the keys as you slide finger across it, so you know you were pressing the right key |
| 00:06.10 | ShadowJK | suspects this has not happened yet |
| 00:07.04 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that works well. |
| 00:08.01 | ShadowJK | I'm not sure how to distinguish slide from pressure on capacitive.. even if they figure out how to make multiple vibrators create tactile feedback :) |
| 00:09.31 | SpeedEvil | In principle if you have a high enough resolution, you can feel the finger squish. |
| 00:09.47 | SpeedEvil | Ideally, it'd be able to read fingerprints. |
| 00:09.51 | SpeedEvil | Now that'd be useful. |
| 00:10.38 | merlin1991 | that'd be awesome reolution |
| 00:10.48 | merlin1991 | also scary |
| 00:11.36 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 00:11.42 | ShadowJK | If you're holding phone, thumb sliding across surface will be exposing different parts of thumb towards touch panel, and exerting a varying amount of pressure against the surface, and hence a varying amount of thumb deformation resulting in varying amounts of surface area in contact with screen :/ |
| 00:12.04 | SpeedEvil | Being able to have different functions for the same press on different fingers might at times be awesome. |
| 00:12.24 | merlin1991 | just imagine the possible use cases for such a fine grained sensor, or rather all the possible privacy invading use cases |
| 00:12.26 | SpeedEvil | For example, right and left-click. |
| 00:12.46 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: If your eyes are exposed, iris recognition is just fine for that. |
| 00:12.55 | ShadowJK | I guess this is highly theoretical anyway, as first Nokia would have to figure out how to detect fingers on screen in the first place, before getting into fancy stuff :-) |
| 00:13.07 | merlin1991 | I mean currently when you use a touch screen it doesn't know who's using it, but suddenly you'd be able to map every single touch on the screen to a person |
| 00:13.14 | SpeedEvil | Gloves. |
| 00:13.30 | SpeedEvil | If it's my device, I want it to recognise me. |
| 00:13.33 | SpeedEvil | And not work for others. |
| 00:17.13 | merlin1991 | well that's your side as the owner, but then there's the other side, it's *someones* device *someone* wants to know who's been using it |
| 00:17.55 | merlin1991 | the more information you can possibly collect, the more information can possibly used for sinister causes |
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| 00:18.36 | SpeedEvil | If someone wants to use my device without my permission, I'm sending all the info about them I can to the police. |
| 00:19.31 | merlin1991 | that's the police |
| 00:19.49 | merlin1991 | now consider your company wants spy on you and your collegues? |
| 00:20.21 | merlin1991 | s/collegues/colleague/ |
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| 00:21.05 | merlin1991 | you get an amazing device with loads of possibilities and it happens to be able to read your finger prints too, nice isn't it? |
| 00:21.43 | merlin1991 | I'd rather have my phone not recognice me and secure it myself than have it starting to decide on who I am |
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| 02:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, can't see major issues with such fingerprint detection, I mean after all you're not supposed to hand out your system-admin console phone to your kids, and if it's your employer reading fingerprints of the persons using that console phone, so what? Are you angry you can't give it to somebody else anymore without your employer noticing that? |
| 02:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | a possible threat is "look, my new phone! wanna test it? ... Thanks for your fingerprints btw" but that can already be done exactly same way, just by using usual forensic methods to reveal and acquire the prints on arbitrary objects any time |
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| 02:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | re taktile feedback on buttons - harm has it, it's useless |
| 02:07.51 | AlmightyOatmeal | jumps in DocScrutinizer's lap |
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| 02:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | has an idea for an awesome devicelock: have one PIN to unlock device as usual and known, but (new:) get a second PIN that on entering that PIN pops up a fake dialer screen that takes keypresses as long as device hasn't changed orientation more than maybe 15° |
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| 02:13.59 | DocScrutinizer | after "moving" the device, each touch even goes back from fake dialer to lock screen |
| 02:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | you could actually tell the weird story of your phone having finger print reading and that's why yiu can't hand it out to anybody else, and you can actually "prove" it |
| 02:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | "here, it unlocks, it takes input as long as I do it, now take the phone and press whatever you like and you'll see it locks instantly" |
| 02:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | the age old trick of a user account with password "password" and login shell "dd if=dev/null of=/dev/sda" |
| 02:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | in slightly changed form |
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| 02:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | s/null/zero/ |
| 02:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw your idea of locking down a device so thoroughly nobody could use it when stolen won't fly. There are always cute Chinese or Indians around somewhere who are willing to even replace hw components to resurrect a stilen device |
| 02:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | stolen* |
| 02:24.23 | SpeedEvil | And yes, I know. |
| 02:24.38 | SpeedEvil | Coincidentally, I recieved some thermite in the post today. |
| 02:24.46 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 02:24.55 | jonwil | From where I sit the main thing would be making sure no-one can get at your data or use your SIM if its stolen |
| 02:25.09 | SpeedEvil | That too. |
| 02:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that's "simple" |
| 02:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: but not good enough for our friend SpeedEvil |
| 02:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 02:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | btw I have same feelings regarding bicycles |
| 02:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | pondering all stuff from GPS trackers to shotguns under the saddle |
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| 02:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | some of them (the latter) feeling a bit too dangerous for me to use my own bike |
| 02:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 02:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | so meanwhile I resorted to a combination of padlocks, extremely cheap bike, and rust all over that |
| 02:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | so far that works best |
| 02:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | so for a phone that might be some gaffa tape then |
| 02:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | while formfactor of N900 helps a lot here as well |
| 02:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | though... I hear even of stolen OM FR |
| 02:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 02:31.53 | SpeedEvil | My (transparent) case is held on with strips of double-sided tape inside. |
| 02:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | that should repel any thief I guess |
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| 02:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | I guess there's a class of thieves out there that will steal your shit when you forget to flush the toilet. For the rest N900 isn't attractive |
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| 02:40.36 | LaoLang_cool | I'm using palm 650, it's the best keyboard I've seen on smart phone! Even much better than n900 :) |
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| 03:15.49 | jonwil | Looking for help from a GTK guy with 2 projects |
| 03:15.51 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1122720#post1122720 |
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| 03:17.14 | merlin1991 | jonwil: what kind of settings do you have to save in the broadcast widget? |
| 03:18.07 | jonwil | well I only need 2 checkboxes at this point |
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| 03:18.39 | merlin1991 | I could hack that together :) |
| 03:18.46 | merlin1991 | I'd store them in gconf keys |
| 03:19.13 | jonwil | ok, that would be good |
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| 03:40.22 | dangergrrl_ | yay, i got it to work! :) |
| 03:43.03 | merlin1991 | may I ask what? :D |
| 03:45.16 | dangergrrl_ | using the n900 as a wifi adapter |
| 03:45.54 | merlin1991 | ipforwarding towards ubsnetworking? |
| 03:46.09 | dangergrrl_ | tethering wifi to a desktop pc with no wifi |
| 03:46.10 | dangergrrl_ | i tried all sorts of iptables incantations earlier to no avial |
| 03:46.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:46.40 | SpeedEvil | Socks? |
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| 03:47.20 | merlin1991 | I think I'd have run a dhcp server with dnsmasq on usb0 and added a few iptable rules |
| 03:47.33 | merlin1991 | what was your solution? |
| 03:49.26 | dangergrrl_ | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 03:51.15 | merlin1991 | no -i? |
| 03:51.50 | merlin1991 | err -s |
| 03:52.21 | merlin1991 | ah nope I actually meant -i, I have to reread iptables syntax whenever I use them |
| 03:54.17 | merlin1991 | wonders if the kernel would masquerade packets from wlan0 to wlan0 with dnagergrlls iprule |
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| 05:03.02 | gggs | is anyone here getting NO_PUBKEY errors with the downloads.maemo.nokia.com repository? |
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| 05:31.29 | fredepz | Right now it has latest PR + CSSU. |
| 05:31.58 | fredepz | Anyone else recommens anything? Is there an online repository browser for Maemo extras? |
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| 07:37.35 | LaoLang_cool | hello |
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| 07:48.02 | LaoLang_cool | when -> key is locking, I can't input upper case letters |
| 07:48.08 | LaoLang_cool | Is it configurable? |
| 07:49.03 | LaoLang_cool | -> + a produces *, so it makes no sense that -> + shift + a produces * too, it's more useful to produce A |
| 07:51.27 | LaoLang_cool | what do you think? |
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| 07:58.26 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: it's because shift+fn+<key> is almost always equal to fn+<key> |
| 07:59.00 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: Could I change it? |
| 07:59.08 | kerio | sure, you can change your keymap |
| 07:59.10 | LaoLang_cool | It's not logic I think |
| 07:59.23 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: could you tell me how to change it? |
| 07:59.41 | kerio | but then, when shift is locked, you can't input symbols |
| 07:59.44 | kerio | change your keymap file |
| 07:59.55 | LaoLang_cool | I also want to change the key long-pressing to repeat the key, not to produce -> + key |
| 08:00.34 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: shift locking + -> + letter can not produce symbol then? It's a big side-effect |
| 08:00.56 | LaoLang_cool | I'm missing the keyboard of palm treo 650 :( |
| 08:11.11 | LaoLang_cool | found it at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421 :) |
| 08:11.12 | povbot | 04Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number |
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| 08:22.19 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: could you please show me a hint about the keymap to change the behavior of combination of -> + shift + letter key |
| 08:22.43 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: it's something in /usr/X11 |
| 08:22.49 | kerio | look for nokia_vndr/rx-51 |
| 08:22.56 | kerio | can't remember the exact details |
| 08:23.46 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: thank you, using n900 is also a learning process |
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| 08:28.19 | LaoLang_cool | Find a good website about the keymapping at http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html :) |
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| 08:48.22 | LaoLang_cool | More cool info is at http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard |
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| 09:56.04 | jonwil | somehow I dont think that Maliit is the right answer as a replacement for the N900 vkb |
| 09:56.15 | neal | why? |
| 09:56.33 | slonopotamus | why use vkb on n900 at all? |
| 09:57.13 | neal | slonopotamus: amen |
| 09:57.14 | jonwil | Its not just the vkb, its the symbols keyboard also |
| 09:57.20 | jonwil | the one you get when you press "sym" |
| 09:57.30 | jonwil | both use the same rendering widget |
| 09:57.42 | jonwil | and that's the one I am trying to find help with writing a replacement for |
| 09:57.49 | jonwil | that rendering widget |
| 09:58.58 | jonwil | there is demand for a portrait keyboard |
| 09:59.10 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: you there? |
| 09:59.11 | neal | may be there are just a few loud people |
| 09:59.12 | jonwil | hence my intention to find someone to replace it |
| 09:59.22 | bash` | this is my syslog http://pastebin.com/buyqvYZb |
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| 09:59.37 | bash` | my phone shutdown automatically at random time |
| 09:59.50 | neal | some people who I talk to are sticking with the n900 rather than going to the n9 because of the physical keyboard. |
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| 10:05.35 | nid0 | tbh, the n900's physical keyboard is bad enough and the n9's vkb good enough, particularly with swype, that im not missing it that much |
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| 10:08.35 | BluesLee | nid0 is right, i am not disappointed because of the missing hw kbd |
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| 10:31.20 | LaoLang_cool | hello! |
| 10:31.57 | freemangordon | ~seen Hurrian |
| 10:32.01 | infobot | hurrian <~yuki@121.54.2.104> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 22h 5m 48s ago, saying: '...and lightspark'. |
| 10:32.28 | LaoLang_cool | -> + sym pops up the virtual keybard a little slow |
| 10:32.42 | LaoLang_cool | could it be configurable to faster? |
| 10:33.07 | LaoLang_cool | Also the other UI's menu is a little slow too |
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| 11:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: wazzup? |
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| 11:36.55 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 11:37.05 | slonopotamus | anyone knows how to extract current year/month from Retu? |
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| 11:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | Retu? |
| 11:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say "rephrase please!" |
| 11:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | as I'm rather sure >>extract current year/month from Retu<< is not an accurate description of what you're planning to do |
| 11:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | suggests a few templates: "how to remove / rewrite timestamp of dbus messages from ISI subsystem?" // "how to read out RTC, incl year/month - if there is any available in RTC?" |
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| 12:43.59 | LaoLang_cool | hello |
| 12:44.17 | LaoLang_cool | I want to set ctrl-shift-v to run vim, don't know how to make it? |
| 12:44.28 | LaoLang_cool | like ctrl-shift-x runs xterm |
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| 12:45.23 | ShadowJK | i think it's hardcoded in hildon desktop |
| 12:47.35 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK: Does hardcoded mean that it can't be configured by simplely edit some file with something? |
| 12:47.44 | LaoLang_cool | Bad news... |
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| 12:55.52 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: hi, do you remember my issue? (n900 shutdown when isn't used) this is my syslog http://pastebin.com/buyqvYZb |
| 12:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | I looked into it, it shows nothing but a normal boot at 01:49 and normal operation until 13:49 or sth like that |
| 12:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | not helping to look at 11h of normal operation |
| 12:57.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: wrong order |
| 12:57.29 | bash` | yes, it shutdown during the night |
| 12:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: right, 14:49 -> 01:49, anyway not helping |
| 12:59.55 | bash` | so what's the next step? :) |
| 13:00.03 | kerio | bash`: it sometimes happens to me with a ripoff battery that has a faulty connection |
| 13:00.30 | kerio | of course there's nothing in the logs because it's just as if i removed the battery all of a sudden |
| 13:00.40 | bash` | kerio: so you are saying could be battery fault |
| 13:00.47 | kerio | sure, maybe |
| 13:01.12 | bash` | but this never happen when I'm doing a call or browsing the web |
| 13:01.33 | bash` | and I do calls for 2 hours too |
| 13:01.35 | kerio | well your phone spends most of its time *not* doing a call or browsing the web |
| 13:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | bash`: I wonder how you got that syslog anyway, as if it actually shut down out of a sudden sometime after 01:49, then how you managed to boot again after that to gain the syslog? |
| 13:02.13 | bash` | kerio: that log is pretty empty because I was waiting it to shutdown :) |
| 13:02.38 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ssh n900 tail -f /var/log/syslog > savedlog |
| 13:02.44 | kerio | (it should work, right?) |
| 13:02.51 | bash` | DocScrutinizer: yes, I booted it and copied the syslog, isn't the full syslog |
| 13:03.08 | bash` | wait |
| 13:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | no, as that cmd as well needs a booted system, and that booted system should have a associated syslog entry (actually a friggin lot of entries) |
| 13:03.51 | kerio | i meant that it would save everything up to the point of shutdown |
| 13:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | why only to point of shutdown? |
| 13:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 13:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't look close enough |
| 13:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | anyway please *never* post snippets/excerpts/edited logs |
| 13:05.49 | bash` | sorry |
| 13:06.08 | bash` | http://pastebin.com/fKmTBDkC |
| 13:06.12 | bash` | whole syslog ^ |
| 13:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | ok, your system froze or shutdown hard between 01:49 and 02:09, and you booted it manually 09:53 |
| 13:08.05 | bash` | yes |
| 13:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | dunno why your system shut down hard |
| 13:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | but it was definitely no reboot |
| 13:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | it was a shutdown |
| 13:09.03 | bash` | and I cannot start it without removing the battery first |
| 13:09.05 | kerio | well, not a proper shutdown though |
| 13:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | battery sounds likely |
| 13:09.21 | kerio | bash`: ooh, you didn't say that |
| 13:09.30 | kerio | yeah, definetely a battery issue then |
| 13:09.40 | bash` | damn I don't know which details are relevant! |
| 13:09.42 | bash` | :) |
| 13:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | or nasty lockup of silicon |
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| 13:10.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's a battery issue; if it wasn't, there would be nothing to do anyway |
| 13:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | twl4030 lockup might cause same effect |
| 13:10.28 | bash` | someway to check battery status/capacity? |
| 13:10.39 | kerio | batteries lie |
| 13:10.44 | bash` | great... |
| 13:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it sounds like a wanky contact, like kerio suspected |
| 13:11.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: but why wouldn't he be able to restart without removi-ooh |
| 13:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | get a new battery |
| 13:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: twl4030 is PMU, when it's locked up there's nothing you can do as all you could do was depending on cooperation of twl4030 |
| 13:13.08 | kerio | and having the battery go missing for just a fraction of a second makes twl4030 fuck up? |
| 13:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | when the chip that checks for 8s powerbutton press is acting up, then 8s PB press won't possibly cure the issue |
| 13:13.58 | kerio | yeah but why would it act up |
| 13:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: the contrary, it may reset twl4030 |
| 13:14.06 | kerio | i see |
| 13:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: as I said: extremely nasty silicon lockup |
| 13:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | usually this can not happen - at least that's what they tell us |
| 13:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 13:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | btw millisecond-battery-removal is most plausible cause to actually make twl4030 fsckup |
| 13:16.16 | bash` | in conclusion I've to get a new battery, right? isn't something related to the motherboard/processor |
| 13:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | unclear |
| 13:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | there's just probabilities, and the highest probability is that your battery is a fsckdup knockoff/fake |
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| 13:18.07 | bash` | btw my battery is the original one |
| 13:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | other possible probelms include silicon wearout possibly due to overclocking or ESD to e.g. the battery terminals |
| 13:18.48 | bash` | I didn't overclock neither |
| 13:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | >>First, there will be a huge netsplit, followed by smaller netsplits. About 2700 users will lose connections as a result...<< \o/ |
| 13:21.49 | bash` | DocScrutinizer kerio thanks for your time, I'll try a new battery then |
| 13:21.49 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: what |
| 13:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, 316 users... let's see where we are in 60 min |
| 13:22.08 | kerio | oh, i missed the message |
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| 13:23.12 | slonopotamus | haha :D "Boot from flash failed, booting from flash" |
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| 13:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | ROTFL |
| 13:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | BIOS msg: "No kbd detected or kbd hw failure - please press F1 to continue" |
| 13:24.38 | slonopotamus | that too :) |
| 13:27.06 | kerio | OH GODS |
| 13:27.06 | kerio | OH GODS |
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| 13:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: wb |
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| 13:31.16 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: hi there I am seeking to solve the openvpn bug |
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| 13:31.29 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: can you help me with dnsmasq and resolving dns? |
| 13:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, I'm no expert in that domain, but I'll see what I can do |
| 13:32.03 | cityLights | in my openvpn up script I write the dns info i get to /var/run/resolvconf/tun0.resolv.conf |
| 13:32.24 | cityLights | I also add a line to use it in resolvconf- file in the dnsmasq etc |
| 13:32.29 | cityLights | yet it is not used |
| 13:32.40 | cityLights | even if I pkill -HUP dnsmasq |
| 13:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | err, on my system there's not even such a directory |
| 13:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ll /var/run/reso* |
| 13:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 34 2011-11-12 00:43 /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 |
| 13:34.49 | cityLights | does your /etc/resolv.conf gives nameserver 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 13:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 13:35.27 | cityLights | in /etc/dnsmasq.conf you will see a line with resolv.conf.wlan0 |
| 13:35.46 | cityLights | this allows dnsmasq to use the info in that file |
| 13:36.10 | cityLights | how ever if I add a new network device by running openvpn |
| 13:36.13 | cityLights | tun0 |
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| 13:36.24 | cityLights | dnsmasq doesnt use the info for it |
| 13:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | less /etc/resolvconf/update.d/dnsmasq |
| 13:37.13 | cityLights | min |
| 13:37.55 | cityLights | ya I need to read it |
| 13:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 13:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | domain-needed |
| 13:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | bogus-priv |
| 13:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf |
| 13:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 |
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| 13:38.21 | cityLights | ok, I will read it then ask more |
| 13:38.39 | cityLights | I also put these resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 |
| 13:38.51 | cityLights | and that file has the vpn nameserver |
| 13:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | add "resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0" |
| 13:39.22 | cityLights | I did |
| 13:39.27 | cityLights | doesnt work |
| 13:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | no, you said you got it in /var/run/resolvconf/tun0.resolv.conf |
| 13:39.45 | cityLights | how to submit a file to the openvpn package? |
| 13:40.01 | cityLights | I couldnt find the maintaner |
| 13:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | I toldya I got no such directory like /var/run/resolvconf/ |
| 13:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | /etc/dnsmasq.conf doesn't use this dir either |
| 13:42.23 | cityLights | ment resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 |
| 13:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | you should add a line like "resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0" to /etc/dnsmasq.conf, and then actually create THAT file and not /var/run/resolvconf/tun0.resolv.conf |
| 13:42.54 | cityLights | right |
| 13:43.03 | cityLights | this is what I did , but i mis spelled it here |
| 13:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 13:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you check where else you mis spelled it |
| 13:43.53 | cityLights | echo -e "$R" > /var/run/resolv.conf.$name |
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| 13:46.01 | cityLights | I had to fix /etc/openvpn/maemo-update-resolvconf |
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| 13:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: ping |
| 13:50.33 | cityLights | here |
| 13:50.37 | cityLights | so? |
| 13:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | last post I've seen was echo -e |
| 13:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | which doesn't tell me much |
| 13:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | please do |
| 13:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | for f in $(cat /etc/dnsmasq.conf|cut -d= -f2|grep var); do ls -l $f && cat $f;echo;done |
| 13:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | and pastebin the result |
| 13:51.48 | cityLights | only /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs exist now |
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| 13:52.27 | cityLights | I will solve this, but I first want to know how to submit my fix to the openvpn pkg |
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| 13:52.36 | cityLights | can you put the fix in? |
| 13:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | of course I need that cmdline done when you think tun0 should be active |
| 13:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 13:53.01 | cityLights | ok, I will get back to you in 1.5 hr |
| 13:53.13 | cityLights | I first need to see something |
| 13:53.17 | cityLights | but thanks |
| 13:53.23 | cityLights | was sure I was right |
| 13:54.33 | DocScrutinizer | btw if everything works you won't even need a kill -SIGHUP |
| 13:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | as dnsmasq polls the files and detects changes |
| 13:54.56 | cityLights | I see |
| 13:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | unless you got nopoll option set |
| 13:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's how I read the manpage |
| 13:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | just keep the resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 permanently in your /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 13:56.48 | cityLights | it is created when openvpn is running |
| 13:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's wrong |
| 13:57.05 | cityLights | I see |
| 13:59.00 | cityLights | fixing |
| 13:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | dnsmasq is polling all the files listed in /etc/dnsmasq.conf, so keep the line pointing to tun0 in there |
| 13:59.29 | cityLights | I will need to clear it when openvpn stopps |
| 13:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 13:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | you just delete the /var/run/ file |
| 14:00.27 | cityLights | so I must create the file when openvpn is established |
| 14:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:00.46 | cityLights | didnt work |
| 14:00.53 | cityLights | will try again soon |
| 14:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | err, what didn't work? |
| 14:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | file creation? |
| 14:01.23 | cityLights | the n900 wasnt able to resolve a hostname via the vpn dns |
| 14:01.31 | cityLights | file was created |
| 14:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | well, first set it up correctly - then we check if it works or why it doesn't |
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| 14:01.57 | cityLights | right |
| 14:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | aiui you didn't keep the line in dnsmasq.conf so creating the file won't help |
| 14:03.30 | Pali | ping MohammadAG |
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| 14:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | 317 user :-D |
| 14:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-11-13 14:20:12] <DocScrutinizer> well, 316 users... let's see where we are in 60 min |
| 14:09.02 | LaoLang_cool | Am I survived? |
| 14:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | yoh :-D |
| 14:09.20 | LaoLang_cool | cool |
| 14:10.16 | LaoLang_cool | Any nice cli pic viewer? feh? imagemagick? |
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| 14:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
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| 14:33.55 | `MindFreak` | hello! |
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| 14:35.58 | LaoLang_cool | hello! |
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| 14:58.19 | `MindFreak` | is there any way to send a song from media player without searching the file in file mananger on my nokia n900? |
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| 15:41.36 | Chiku | Ìû |
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| 15:52.25 | `MindFreak` | is there any way to send a song from media player without searching the file in file mananger on my nokia n900? |
| 15:57.06 | Gizmokid2005 | frals: pingityping? |
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| 16:05.19 | Sicelo | `MindFreak`: no |
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| 16:12.44 | rly | Do you use SIP, if so which provider? |
| 16:18.02 | Sicelo | sip.linphone.org works fine on my N900.. i don't use it much (voip hasn't picked up in swaziland, and prolly most of africa) |
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| 16:23.08 | rly | Sicelo: are you from swaziland? :P |
| 16:23.27 | rly | Are you like a king there? |
| 16:23.37 | dangergrrl | lol |
| 16:23.55 | dangergrrl | there is gsm service in swaziland? |
| 16:23.56 | Sicelo | heh |
| 16:24.49 | neal | I don't understand the joke. |
| 16:24.58 | rly | I just called myself via Skype. That's also cool. |
| 16:25.03 | neal | Anyone care to enlighten me? |
| 16:25.12 | kerio | rly: what did you learn about yourself? |
| 16:25.25 | rly | kerio: I am annoying to listen too? |
| 16:25.45 | rly | kerio: that was a setup for a joke which you were about to make anyway ;) |
| 16:26.03 | dangergrrl | sipgate.com works for me |
| 16:26.21 | rly | Sicelo: sip.linphone.org maps to some company. |
| 16:26.37 | rly | But perhaps you meant: https://www.linphone.org/eng/linphone/register-a-linphone-account.html |
| 16:28.11 | Sicelo | dangergrrl: sipgate is free? |
| 16:28.28 | dangergrrl | neal, i think the joke is that smartphones can not be terribly common in swaziland or indeed most of africa |
| 16:28.39 | rly | Due to the increased volume of new registrations within the last few weeks, we have unfortunately ran out of free numbers in your area and we are currently not able to offer you any alternative free phone number at the moment. |
| 16:28.48 | rly | dangergrrl: yep |
| 16:29.00 | dangergrrl | incoming calls are free on sipgate, and google voice will turn outgoing calls into inbound |
| 16:29.36 | rly | dangergrrl: you pay google voice with your phonemes, right? |
| 16:29.57 | rly | dangergrrl: but they are not allowed to use the actual contents of the conversations, I'd hope. |
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| 16:30.28 | dangergrrl | sure, google is collecting data on you if that is what you mean |
| 16:30.50 | dangergrrl | google knows scary things about me already |
| 16:30.50 | dangergrrl | google probably knows me better than i know myself |
| 16:30.52 | Sicelo | wrong, people buy smartphones here, at least as fashion items. only thing i never seen here is OM device. |
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| 16:31.10 | rly | OM device? |
| 16:31.27 | kerio | openmoko doesn't actually exist |
| 16:31.34 | rly | ok |
| 16:32.36 | Sicelo | BB has taken market by storm, mostly due to fact that operator is doing masive advertising |
| 16:33.12 | dangergrrl | i never thought of a smartphone as a fashion item |
| 16:33.33 | kerio | dangergrrl: do you think people buy iphones because of the technical part? |
| 16:33.43 | dangergrrl | i bought the n900 because it is a nice handheld linux pc |
| 16:34.18 | Sicelo | if it didn't cost me too much, i'd get another N900 soon :P |
| 16:34.19 | kerio | dangergrrl: you're also on irc |
| 16:34.24 | kerio | dangergrrl: you don't exist |
| 16:34.32 | dangergrrl | as a phone i find it a bit lacking |
| 16:34.38 | kerio | oh, the n900 is a horrible phone |
| 16:35.23 | kerio | but whoever would appreciate the n900 either doesn't care about talking anyway because, you know, nerd, or has no problems using a headset |
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| 16:37.42 | rly | I touched the hang up button with me ear once. |
| 16:38.09 | rly | That shouldn't really happen. |
| 16:38.16 | kerio | yeah, you shouldn't make phone calls |
| 16:38.19 | kerio | it's stupid |
| 16:38.48 | rly | kerio: so, I should use it to read email, IRC, setup webservers, etc. |
| 16:39.03 | rly | And program and generally be awesome? |
| 16:39.25 | kerio | yeah, why bother with calling |
| 16:39.27 | kerio | calling is for social people |
| 16:39.54 | robbiethe1st | ^^ |
| 16:41.04 | rly | IRC is just an asshole multiplier. |
| 16:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | dang he's back so we can waste more of his time |
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| 16:42.16 | neal | you can kick him today, since you missed the opportunity yesterday |
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| 16:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'll do in a moment, just one more XXX post of him and I'll not only kick him |
| 16:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | no matter he includes himself to the class of assholes by statements like >>IRC is just an asshole multiplier.<< - I feel insulted |
| 16:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | rly: official last warning - reconsider your attitude and your language |
| 16:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | rly: we owe you nothing, this isn't Nokia helpdesk |
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| 17:00.32 | Clmbr | hello all...i,m in need of some help...my friend has taken a HD w/ a corrupted boot loader out and connected to a laptop via usb but is unable to copy home dir b/c of insufficent permissions/he isnt the owner etc any help would be appreciated. Thanks |
| 17:01.51 | SpeedEvil | sudo to root, and do it. |
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| 17:02.36 | Clmbr | ty i will inquire to be sure that is what hes done |
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| 17:07.37 | strangr | how do i determine if the cam shutter is closed or open for nokia n900 |
| 17:08.29 | NIN101 | d-bus may be sending something, probably there is also something in sysfs. |
| 17:09.41 | NIN101 | /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state |
| 17:09.46 | strangr | NIN101: dbus only sends when a change is made to its state.. i want to know otherwise without changing the state of shutter |
| 17:09.55 | strangr | NIN101: thanks |
| 17:12.01 | NIN101 | yw |
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| 17:41.34 | RST38h | Meanwhile: One of Microsoft's senior executives told colleagues he had "zero pity" for the victims of the Japanese tsunami and would like to "create another", it has been claimed, in a new legal row over sexual harassment at the computer giant. |
| 17:42.03 | RST38h | Let me guess... He is a hentai fan? =) |
| 17:42.40 | rly | DocScrutinizer: uhm, I didn't say you owe me anything. Also, it is a very well known phenomenon that anonymity doesn't really bring up the best in people. |
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| 17:44.24 | neal | rly: Stop making it worse and go away :-) |
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| 18:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wow, what an ass-hat reported that to the public? |
| 18:21.51 | ZogG_N9 | reported what? |
| 18:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: either a real nasty mole inside M$, or some spin doctor paid by one of M$ competitors |
| 18:22.41 | ZogG_N9 | what was reported, what i missed? |
| 18:22.50 | ZogG_N9 | maybe it was me =) |
| 18:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: read backscroll, some 5 lines up |
| 18:23.53 | ZogG_N9 | i cant |
| 18:23.59 | ZogG_N9 | just singed in |
| 18:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | so do a /topic |
| 18:25.00 | ZogG_N9 | and ? |
| 18:25.32 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, thats why i asked for bot function i saw on other chan |
| 18:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 18:26.12 | ZogG_N9 | the command like ~wtf would make bot to pm you last 20 sentences |
| 18:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | bot function? which bot function? what's wrong with chanlog? |
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| 18:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | ponders about a "public bouncer" to "PM last 20 posts" on sending a certain command |
| 18:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you could suggest to mgedmin to add that function to povbot |
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| 18:32.09 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, its usefull if u just signed in or timeoited |
| 18:32.18 | ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, ^ |
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| 18:35.53 | luke-jr | ZogG: [12:41:34] <RST38h> Meanwhile: One of Microsoft's senior executives told colleagues he had "zero pity" for the victims of the Japanese tsunami and would like to "create another", it has been claimed, in a new legal row over sexual harassment at the computer giant. |
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| 18:57.06 | rly | I verified my SIP account by configuring it on Linux. Now, why do the same credentials not work on the n900? |
| 18:59.50 | Sicelo | something about registrar |
| 19:01.01 | rly | Sicelo: ? |
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| 19:17.57 | Sicelo | afaik it is a known issue that some sip services don't work well on N900, eg |
| 19:18.08 | Sicelo | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 |
| 19:18.09 | povbot | 04Bug 5342: IM and VoIP accounts: Cannot sign in to ekiga.net SIP. |
| 19:21.22 | rly | Sicelo: ok, so far none of them work. |
| 19:21.26 | rly | Sicelo: I tried two. |
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| 19:24.14 | Sicelo | u could search tmo for whatever sip services u are on, to see how others configured them. |
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| 19:30.57 | rly | Sicelo: didn't you also use linphone? |
| 19:31.10 | rly | Sicelo: because I cannot get it to work on the phone. |
| 19:31.18 | rly | It works fine on Linux. |
| 19:31.38 | rly | Sicelo: (I mean as a provider) |
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| 19:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | sipgate.de works just fine on N900 for me |
| 19:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | as it does on N810, N950, twinklephone/desktop... |
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| 19:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | even works over O2 3G |
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| 19:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless my *NAT* in router absolutely can use some port forwarding for each distinct local SIP-UA |
| 19:40.17 | Sicelo_ | rly: advanced settings: transport, auto; outbound proxy, sip.linphone.org; port, 5060; discover public address, check; auto-detect stun, check; keep alive * , Auto |
| 19:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | running multiple clients behinf a NAT - maybe even a NAT with SIP ALG (kinda proxy) - is usually cumbersome |
| 19:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | yup, and change that to 5062 for next concurrent client |
| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | or not, depends on your NAT, provider... |
| 19:42.31 | rly | Sicelo_: and what is Address? |
| 19:42.43 | rly | Sicelo_: I used username@sip.linphone.org |
| 19:42.55 | rly | Sicelo_: where username has been replaced with my username. |
| 19:43.31 | rly | sipgate.de doesn't accept new users. |
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| 19:44.19 | Sicelo_ | yes, fine that way |
| 19:44.43 | rly | Sicelo_: there is another option below public address |
| 19:44.53 | rly | Sicelo_: free routing or whatever. |
| 19:45.18 | Sicelo_ | i left that unchecked |
| 19:45.33 | rly | Some idiot is called me :/ |
| 19:45.39 | rly | calling* |
| 19:45.50 | rly | I didn't even give the number out... |
| 19:46.06 | Sicelo_ | heh, at least u know it works :P |
| 19:46.22 | rly | Sicelo_: no, that's not on the phone. |
| 19:46.25 | Pali | Hello, I got source code of certman control panel applet from NOKIA |
| 19:46.39 | Sicelo_ | O.O |
| 19:46.59 | Pali | source code is GPL, so I published it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 |
| 19:47.43 | rly | Sicelo_: so, it plainly says 'not connected', instead of connected/active/signed on |
| 19:48.18 | rly | Sicelo_: I would have expected it to say 'wrong password/no connection could be maded/server down/etc.' |
| 19:48.21 | rly | made* |
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| 19:50.23 | Sicelo_ | well, i don't have a clue. right now am connected to my linphone sip account |
| 19:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: see ^^^ Pali |
| 19:53.21 | freemangordon | Pali: good, upload it in CSSU git. |
| 19:53.35 | Pali | one problem I found now |
| 19:53.38 | freemangordon | How did you get it? |
| 19:53.42 | Pali | it is old version 0.9 |
| 19:53.59 | Pali | I wrote mail to sourcecode.request@nokia.com |
| 19:54.28 | Pali | s/0.9/0.0.9/ |
| 19:54.36 | freemangordon | hmm, then Estel's mail re gst-dsp could have success |
| 19:54.59 | Pali | maybe, maybe |
| 19:55.11 | freemangordon | and which one is current? |
| 19:55.56 | Pali | 0.1.4+0m5 (that which was relased in last PR1.3.1) |
| 19:56.33 | Pali | Now I write second mail for requst last PR.1.3.1 version |
| 19:57.02 | ThreeM | maybe we just ask for all sources of maemo and there components :) |
| 19:57.41 | Pali | Yes, we can try :) |
| 19:58.40 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:58.44 | freemangordon | sure, why not |
| 19:58.49 | slonopotamus | anyone knows where n8x0 takes system time on reboot from? |
| 19:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | wonders, whistels "wind of change", coughs and slaps himself NCIS way |
| 19:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: hw-clock, I guess |
| 19:59.58 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: that's too abstract |
| 20:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | that one usually is in OMAP companion chip |
| 20:00.10 | freemangordon | twl? |
| 20:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:00.18 | ThreeM | maybe some trainee will put all the sources in a zip and leak it :) |
| 20:00.23 | freemangordon | if there is such a beast on n8x0 |
| 20:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | I think there is |
| 20:00.44 | slonopotamus | until retutime -i kernel runs in 1970 |
| 20:00.46 | freemangordon | RT clock is there |
| 20:01.42 | ShadowJK | on N8x0 it's probably from tiku or something |
| 20:01.43 | slonopotamus | however the only inputs for retutime are dsme and retu-rtc. and crappy retu-rtc only has 8 bits for day, no month or year. |
| 20:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | retutime sounds kinda diablo-ish for "get hw-clock from RETU aka twlxxyy" |
| 20:01.57 | ShadowJK | oh yeah, retu |
| 20:02.15 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK: the problem is that retu doesn't have year. |
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| 20:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 20:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | so they emulate that in sw? |
| 20:02.49 | freemangordon | only days? can't believe that |
| 20:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | means my N810 leaps a whole year when I don't power it up for >12 months? |
| 20:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | how insane! ;-P |
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| 20:03.57 | slonopotamus | http://dev.openaos.org/browser/trunk/avx6/linux/drivers/cbus/retu-rtc.c?rev=198&order=date#L62 |
| 20:04.10 | slonopotamus | that's what retu-rtc gives to userspace |
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| 20:04.28 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: if RETU doesn't support year, then the lib/binary talking to the chip will keep track of the year elsewhere (probably in CAL) |
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| 20:05.13 | freemangordon | dsr? |
| 20:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | there are even PC BIOS that do this |
| 20:05.41 | freemangordon | does not sounds like days only |
| 20:06.20 | slonopotamus | freemangordon: meh, look at the code. there are only 8 bits for day |
| 20:06.36 | freemangordon | yep, looking |
| 20:06.41 | freemangordon | give me some time |
| 20:07.59 | slonopotamus | can't even imagine what retu designers were smoking |
| 20:09.06 | freemangordon | yeah, dsr stands for days-seconds-register |
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| 20:14.28 | freemangordon | slonopotamus: strace date? |
| 20:16.01 | slonopotamus | freemangordon: date just asks kernel. kernel is fed with datetime from retutime. |
| 20:17.09 | freemangordon | aha, i think now I understand your question. i.e what else is called besides retu driver. |
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| 20:18.21 | rly | Does anyone have a good explanation for why on Sicelo's phone SIP to the same provider works and on mine it doesn't? (also not for multiple other providers) |
| 20:20.30 | rly | Can I see an error log somewhere for built in applications like the VOIP stuff? |
| 20:21.20 | Sicelo | wireshark maybe :/ |
| 20:21.48 | rly | Sicelo: does that also run on the phone? |
| 20:22.12 | Sicelo | yes. i have it |
| 20:23.30 | rly | Sicelo: ok, well at least nothing comes through my PC. |
| 20:23.40 | Sicelo | but i think problem is by your operator. rss didn't work for me for about 3 weeks, then suddenly worked again (was working fine via wifi the whole time. via wifi, sometimes i cant connect to gtalk... that's N900 for u) |
| 20:23.51 | rly | Sicelo: which is _very_ suspect. |
| 20:24.03 | rly | Sicelo: no, it should have sent something. |
| 20:25.23 | rly | Sicelo: or rather, it should have received something. |
| 20:25.42 | rly | Sicelo: whether it has sent something can only be seen on the phone. |
| 20:29.55 | rly | Sicelo: I am capturing on usb0, but nothing is actually being sent. |
| 20:30.04 | rly | Sicelo: (on the phone) |
| 20:30.51 | rly | What is the phonet0 interface? Is that phoneeth0? |
| 20:31.16 | Pali | freemangordon: see file maemo_software_copyright.pdf in MyDocs/.documents |
| 20:31.33 | Pali | you can ask for all source code on CD-ROM from Nokia |
| 20:31.39 | rly | It is sending some packets on that interface, but I cannot capture on those. |
| 20:31.42 | Pali | (open source code) |
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| 20:34.23 | rly | Now I can capture everything. |
| 20:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | rly: check your NAT-router's settings |
| 20:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: well, the chip designers obviously had to be stingy with throwing gates at this RTC function |
| 20:37.32 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I started wireshark, started a capture on all interfaces, pressed the 'sign on' button and I saw nothing in wireshark. How can my NAT settings possibly be relevant? |
| 20:37.46 | rly | DocScrutinizer: (all of this on the phone) |
| 20:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | your NAT and wireshark for sure are unrelated |
| 20:38.16 | rly | If the application actually did something useful, it should have sent something and that something should have been visible in wireshark. |
| 20:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:38.29 | rly | The application being the SIP 'sign on' application. |
| 20:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | if wireshark works as expected |
| 20:38.48 | rly | Yes, if the transistors are all aligned. |
| 20:39.01 | rly | Wireshark works when I send web traffic. |
| 20:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | ok, then there's something odd with the libsofiasip or whatever |
| 20:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | netstat should tell you if it opens port5060 |
| 20:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | o if some other process keeps that port occupied in which case it may fail on trying to open a network socket |
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| 20:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | also check if maybe parts of SIP sstack got autoremoved by apt, this happens occasionally. |
| 20:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | mompls, pointer follows |
| 20:41.11 | rly | DocScrutinizer: netstat shows no line containing 5060. |
| 20:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | might be decoded to SIP |
| 20:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | 5060 beng standard SIP port |
| 20:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | being* |
| 20:42.12 | rly | DocScrutinizer: yes, but I don't know how to check whether the SIP stack is in one piece. |
| 20:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 20:42.51 | rly | Ok, I am going to assume for the next 10 seconds that's a package name. |
| 20:43.27 | rly | E: Couldn't find package mompls |
| 20:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip |
| 20:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | momENT plEAsE |
| 20:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | the above tmo doesn't have a comprehensive list op components involved in SIP stack, but the problem I described there is known |
| 20:45.45 | rly | rtcom-accounts-voip-support is already the newest version. |
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| 20:47.28 | rly | DocScrutinizer: my problem is slightly different from what is mentionded there. |
| 20:47.35 | rly | mentioned* |
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| 20:50.44 | rly | DocScrutinizer: not surprising to you, I have no idea how I can get SIP to work again, if it ever worked at all. |
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| 20:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's all I can think of atm. No idea what's wrong then. You're sure your SIP registrar/server URL does resolve? |
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| 20:55.27 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I can ping it from the phone without issues. |
| 20:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | just a question to make sure: you haven't entered sth like "http://sipprovider.com" to the SIP config? |
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| 20:57.05 | rly | DocScrutinizer: no, I entered username@sip.linphone.org in the Address field. |
| 20:57.06 | freemangordon | Pali:yeah, i know that, although I have never thought it will work. |
| 20:57.31 | rly | DocScrutinizer: and some other fields in exactly the same way as Sicelo. I also tried it with 3 VOIP providers. |
| 20:58.16 | rly | DocScrutinizer: for example like this setup: http://www.ippi.fr/index.php?page=sip_parameter&lang=44 |
| 21:00.12 | Sicelo | i have both keep-alive* at Auto. |
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| 21:00.22 | rly | Sicelo: yes, I also tried that. |
| 21:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | rly: I'm short of ideas. Should work. You *might* strace the telepathy libsophisip or whatever it is that does SIP. |
| 21:00.33 | Pali | freemangordon: I asked stskeeps if he can help with harmattan gst-dsp source and he wrote me that If I have harmattan device I can ask for source code |
| 21:00.53 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I only know how to strace binaries. |
| 21:01.00 | rly | DocScrutinizer: can I also strace libraries? |
| 21:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, you can trace the binary that uses the lib |
| 21:01.28 | Pali | freemangordon, but I do not own N9/N950 but I tried this method with someting for Maemo |
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| 21:01.42 | rly | DocScrutinizer: which binary corresponds to the GUI? |
| 21:01.50 | freemangordon | pali: we had a short discussion on #harmattan which resulted in estel sent a mail to Nokia already. lets see what they will answer |
| 21:02.07 | freemangordon | re gst-dsp from harmattan |
| 21:02.13 | rly | DocScrutinizer: that is the SIP GUI part. |
| 21:02.21 | Pali | nice, now we can wait... |
| 21:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | sorry not sure, probably the dieale ris rtcomm-dialer-ui, but that one only talks via dbus to the telepathy stack afaik |
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| 21:02.26 | ZogG | i miss lcuk |
| 21:02.26 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | the dialer is* |
| 21:02.41 | freemangordon | at least for maemo it works |
| 21:02.50 | freemangordon | fremantle |
| 21:03.29 | Pali | we can try send request for other closed fremantle packages |
| 21:03.30 | ZogG | sign |
| 21:03.42 | ZogG | night |
| 21:03.44 | Pali | full list is on: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages |
| 21:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | ps ax | grep sip -> 11926 user 7340 S /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip |
| 21:04.01 | rly | DocScrutinizer: rtcom-accounts-ui.launch gives a Segmentation fault. |
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| 21:04.27 | freemangordon | pali: sure, ask them for BME :p |
| 21:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | ui <-dbus-> /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip |
| 21:04.49 | Pali | :D:D |
| 21:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | NOOOOO we don't want to get BME |
| 21:05.16 | rly | DocScrutinizer: executing that command as root gives me no result. |
| 21:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | the world is a better place without source for that POS |
| 21:05.24 | freemangordon | joerg: why is that? |
| 21:05.29 | freemangordon | ahaa |
| 21:05.45 | freemangordon | with only binary? ok. |
| 21:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | the crap in this source code might be highly contagious |
| 21:06.24 | rly | How do I spell apt-file search /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip on the N900? |
| 21:06.37 | rly | apt-file isn't installable here. |
| 21:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search |
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| 21:07.12 | rly | DocScrutinizer: returns empty result. |
| 21:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps ax | grep sip |
| 21:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | 11926 user 7340 S /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip |
| 21:07.39 | rly | DocScrutinizer: the file does exist. |
| 21:08.00 | rly | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.02 | rly | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.16 | rly | So, I don't have that running. |
| 21:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | your /telepathy-sofiasip process is not started |
| 21:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | that explains why it doesn't send anything :-D |
| 21:08.41 | freemangordon | pali: seems KP SR bug is gone, will try tomorrow to send you a new patch |
| 21:08.52 | Pali | ok |
| 21:08.58 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I started it now, but it exited automatically. |
| 21:09.02 | freemangordon | SR for vdd1 for 125-900 |
| 21:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmm seems it's quiting instantly, probably due to some mis-config |
| 21:09.33 | rly | DocScrutinizer: it exits with an exit status of 0. |
| 21:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest reflashing |
| 21:09.57 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I then have to reinstall everything, right? |
| 21:10.15 | Pali | DocScrutinizer: why do you think that BME source code is horrible? did you looked at it? |
| 21:10.17 | rly | Or can I make a backup to make it slightly less worse? |
| 21:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: almost |
| 21:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | rly: maybe deleting all accounts and then purging and reinstalling of telepathy/sofiasip may help |
| 21:12.42 | Pali | btw, how is state of kernel module for battery charging? |
| 21:12.57 | rly | DocScrutinizer: what is the package name of telepathy? |
| 21:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | of course you also can make a backup, and restore that after reflashing, but test SIP before you do the restore |
| 21:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | rly: sorry, no idea |
| 21:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 21:17.05 | rly | Reinstalling was useless. |
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| 21:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | reinstalling without some "tricks" will keep all the config files |
| 21:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think the "trick" is to purge, or maybe there's an option --delete-config or sth |
| 21:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | a mere uninstall keeps all the config files |
| 21:20.11 | Sicelo | heh, just made an ippi.fr sip account and am signed in from n900. u got other problems rly. |
| 21:20.50 | rly | Sicelo: I am thinking that it simply doesn't work over usb. |
| 21:21.03 | rly | Sicelo: because without USB it at least tries to connect. |
| 21:21.51 | rly | But the real problem is that Nokia engineers apparently thought they were perfect and didn't provide a proof of why things don't work. |
| 21:22.30 | Sicelo | u tried wifi? |
| 21:22.31 | rly | A program must either perform its task or it must show a proof of its preconditions being wrong. |
| 21:23.14 | rly | Sicelo: is that program DocScrutinizer was talking about running on your device? |
| 21:23.28 | Sicelo | which one? |
| 21:23.40 | rly | Sicelo: ps ax | grep sip |
| 21:23.54 | rly | Sicelo: that should return something containing telepathy |
| 21:24.12 | Sicelo | yes, have that |
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| 21:27.49 | rly | What is responsible for starting that binary? |
| 21:28.33 | rly | Sicelo: what does ps aux | grep telep say? |
| 21:29.40 | Sicelo | has telepathy-ring, sofiasip, gabble (3) separate procs |
| 21:30.06 | rly | Sicelo: except for ring nothing is running here. |
| 21:30.11 | Sicelo | i am online on gtalk, linphone, and ippi |
| 21:31.06 | rly | Sicelo: if you kill sofiasip and start it, does it exit after some short time? |
| 21:31.58 | rly | How do I even reset that application completely? |
| 21:32.03 | rly | I purged it, but that didn't help. |
| 21:33.38 | rly | I found it. |
| 21:36.14 | rly | Or not. |
| 21:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | rly: you are using USB networking to access internet? |
| 21:36.57 | rly | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 21:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 21:37.26 | rly | If I mv .rtcom-account .rtcom-accountbackup it still finds my 'accounts'. |
| 21:37.42 | rly | I even observed that the data from the accounts is in .rtcom-accounts. |
| 21:37.57 | rly | Don't mention the s which is not in the first line. |
| 21:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | rly: please check http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications - USB networking by default isn't recognized by maemo system as a working internet connection, you need that stuff mentioned there or libsofiasip will think there's no way to talk to internet. This is a hypothesis of mine, not certified knowledge |
| 21:43.01 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I have one of those libraries installed. |
| 21:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | was worth a shot |
| 21:43.21 | rly | DocScrutinizer: apt-get install libicd-network-null |
| 21:43.25 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I have that one. |
| 21:43.46 | rly | DocScrutinizer: I am not sure whether I executed _all_ the commands there. |
| 21:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | or you actually found a "bug" in SIP stack |
| 21:44.47 | rly | DocScrutinizer: and nobody will ever fix that, I suppose? |
| 21:47.53 | rly | It is still even under warranty. |
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| 22:08.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | rly: USB networking is not a promoted property of the device, so SIP not working over USB network is neither. But that's why we all decided to get a maemo device and not an iPhone: we are usually free to fix it based on community effort |
| 22:10.19 | rly | DocScrutinizer51: that might be true, but it is still not acceptable for software to fail silently. |
| 22:10.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | though I'm not yet convinced there's actually any "bug" in this, might as well be a missing config tweak |
| 22:11.23 | rly | Programs are theorem proving machines in my world. |
| 22:11.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | rly: I tend to agree with you on error reporting in maemo usually being suboptimal |
| 22:12.56 | cehteh | rather wonders why SIP over wlan is sometimes jittery |
| 22:13.18 | rly | cehteh: isn't anything over wlan jittery? |
| 22:13.27 | rly | everything* |
| 22:13.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey cehteh |
| 22:14.24 | ShadowJK | When using USB networking, does the status area thingis think internet connection exists? |
| 22:14.27 | cehteh | hi doc |
| 22:14.43 | rly | ShadowJK: for me it does. |
| 22:14.54 | cehteh | is quite busy these days, we're moving on thursday |
| 22:15.23 | rly | DocScrutinizer51: thanks for your help. Too bad we haven't reached a full solution yet. Perhaps next time (which won't be soon). |
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| 22:18.08 | luke-jr | [17:08:43] <DocScrutinizer51> rly: USB networking is not a promoted property of the device, so SIP not working over USB network is neither. But that's why we all decided to get a maemo device and not an iPhone: we are usually free to fix it based on community effort <-- except we're NOT really |
| 22:18.18 | luke-jr | unless "fix" means "rewrite the entire stack from scratch" |
| 22:18.50 | luke-jr | [17:12:56] * cehteh rather wonders why SIP over wlan is sometimes jittery <-- wlan seems to have inconsistent latency when there's other devices using it |
| 22:19.17 | rly | luke-jr: so, I should have gotten an OpenMoko? ^^ |
| 22:20.04 | luke-jr | rly: OpenMoko never worked afaik |
| 22:20.05 | ShadowJK | I think N900 is a target device for fso now, so... |
| 22:20.17 | rly | ??fso |
| 22:20.21 | rly | ~fso |
| 22:20.21 | infobot | rumour has it, fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. |
| 22:20.27 | luke-jr | mine died before I got to properly try it :| |
| 22:21.28 | beford | hey, what would you guys consider the best twitter client available for n900? |
| 22:21.36 | luke-jr | Twitter sucks |
| 22:22.07 | beford | no, you :3 |
| 22:22.14 | ShadowJK | wlan basically lets a device hog the channel until it gets its message through. On wimax every device wanting to transmit/receive is assigned a limited amount of time regardless of how much data they manage to push through during that time |
| 22:22.14 | rly | ShadowJK: and does it already work? |
| 22:22.21 | ShadowJK | no idea |
| 22:22.33 | rly | ShadowJK: is it funded? |
| 22:22.44 | ShadowJK | but my point was that it's probably at same level as a freerunner |
| 22:23.33 | rly | luke-jr just said that it didn't really work. Not very encouraging. |
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| 22:57.02 | dangergrrl | so, i didn't find any working directions to tether the n900's wifi from a wifiess desktop |
| 22:57.14 | dangergrrl | i have working directions now |
| 22:57.37 | dangergrrl | should i make a wiki account? |
| 22:59.14 | Sicelo | yeah ;) |
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| 23:07.59 | dangergrrl | well, i wanted to know how to get it to work, someone else ,ight :) |
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| 23:33.54 | jonwil | hmmm, someone got the source code for the certificate manager applet... |
| 23:33.55 | jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 |
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| 23:36.51 | ShadowJK | <Pali> Hello, I got source code of certman control panel applet from NOKIA |
| 23:36.55 | ShadowJK | <Pali> source code is GPL, so I published it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 |
| 23:37.07 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 23:40.14 | jonwil | Hopefully the CSSU can pull this in and use it instead of shipping the binaries |
| 23:40.27 | jonwil | Ok how did this guy get that code and is there anything else we can get? :P |
| 23:44.11 | mr_jrt | Wow. Shouldn't be so surprising...but it is, sadly. |
| 23:45.26 | jonwil | reads backscroll |
| 23:45.43 | jonwil | sees talk about BME code |
| 23:46.01 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:46.03 | jonwil | Of all the closed source things on the N900, there are things that would be FAR more usefull as open-source than BME |
| 23:46.17 | Macer | jonwil: like hildon? |
| 23:46.24 | Macer | all of it |
| 23:46.26 | Macer | :) |
| 23:46.32 | jonwil | like closed hildon-input-method bits yes |
| 23:46.40 | jonwil | and like connectivity UI |
| 23:46.58 | jonwil | and like ICD2 |
| 23:47.01 | Macer | connectivity ui consists of what? |
| 23:47.25 | jonwil | things like the status bar gizmos for cellular and network status |
| 23:47.35 | jonwil | and the "phone" and "internet" control panels |
| 23:47.37 | Macer | just the settings subsection to configure the wifi and phone networks |
| 23:47.38 | jonwil | and all that stuff |
| 23:47.50 | Macer | is it not possible to make a new one? |
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| 23:48.05 | jonwil | no, there is a lot more to it than it looks |
| 23:48.14 | jonwil | this includes stuff for network selection |
| 23:48.16 | jonwil | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 23:48.18 | Macer | i would assume they are protective of the modem stuff especially |
| 23:48.22 | jonwil | bluetooth is also tied into it |
| 23:48.34 | jonwil | all this stuff talks to the modem via the cellular services daemon |
| 23:48.52 | Macer | since in the wrong hands such hardware use could be a bad day for gsm providers |
| 23:49.04 | jonwil | which is something that doesn't need to be open-sourced, just documented (i.e. the dbus interface to it) |
| 23:49.18 | jonwil | The secret cell modem stuff should be in the cellmo firmware |
| 23:49.30 | jonwil | MCE source code for Fremantle would be nice also :P |
| 23:49.42 | Macer | talking to the secret stuff sometimes gives away its secrets |
| 23:49.49 | Macer | ;) |
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| 23:50.35 | jonwil | ok, so publish all the dbus interfaces except those that are sensitive in some way :P |
| 23:50.40 | mr_jrt | I thought all the bluetooth stuff was just bluez (i.e. open)? |
| 23:50.50 | Macer | i cant believe this n900 i got for $250 from ebay is working so well |
| 23:50.54 | jonwil | yeah bluetooth is bluez |
| 23:50.56 | jonwil | and stuff |
| 23:51.01 | Macer | from cellphonesforever :) |
| 23:51.13 | jonwil | but there are connectivity widgets and things (like the bluetooth status bar icon) that are closed |
| 23:51.13 | Macer | the evil n900 seller hahaha |
| 23:51.20 | Macer | mine works beyond great |
| 23:52.06 | Macer | so they should really jusr make it all seperate |
| 23:52.15 | Macer | so the modem stuff is isolated |
| 23:52.32 | Macer | and you have access to the rest of the hardware to make a better ui for it? |
| 23:52.45 | ShadowJK | There's that battery monitor widget replacement. We know how to talk to the hardware, there's code that talks to the hardware charging and to the battery fuel gauge. We don't need bme, at all. |
| 23:53.09 | jonwil | oh and also ofono (which is for meego and is open) has pretty much all the cell modem bits |
| 23:53.10 | Macer | i think the reason nokia has it closed in such a way is to prevent the community doing a better job than they did |
| 23:53.14 | jonwil | including anything "secret" |
| 23:53.20 | Macer | and turning maemo into something people want :) |
| 23:53.23 | Macer | lol |
| 23:53.47 | Macer | because then people will ask... why couldnt nokia do that when they were doing it? |
| 23:54.30 | Macer | especially the ui ... if you made the ui something as intuitive for the cattle as android or ios... people at nokia are getting fired |
| 23:54.43 | jonwil | I can easily come up with a list of ~10 pieces of software that, if open sourced or devel/documentation/etc packages released, would really benefit the N900 and ongoing work by myself and others. |
| 23:54.59 | Macer | write to nokia and ask :& |
| 23:55.01 | Macer | :) |
| 23:55.07 | Macer | worse they'll say is no |
| 23:55.14 | jonwil | I wouldn't know who to ask |
| 23:55.22 | Macer | send it to elop |
| 23:55.25 | jonwil | or what to say :P |
| 23:55.31 | Macer | lol |
| 23:55.37 | ShadowJK | there was a "process" once for doing it via bugzilla |
| 23:56.19 | jonwil | yeah, there are about 20 unresolved bugs, most of which have no response |
| 23:56.29 | jonwil | or maybe just a generic "fremantle is dead" response |
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| 23:58.28 | LaoLang_cool | How to find a contact with the phone number in contacts? |
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| 23:59.52 | jonwil | ooh good, I think http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1079565&postcount=4 means I can include libconnui.so and libconnui_cell.so in my libconnui-dev package and not force users to have to copy those files from the phone... |