IRC log for #maemo on 20111110

00:00.04andre__merlin1991, for 16.8: "Installed: 1.3-2+0m5 | Candidate: 1.3-2+0m5 | Version table: | *** 1.3-2+0m5 0 | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
00:00.21merlin1991thanks andre__
00:00.27andre__np
00:00.35Zer0coolhey people
00:01.19merlin1991andre__: can you check dsme-thermalobject-surface too please?
00:02.16andre__merlin1991: 0.0.1+0m5 everywhere, rest is the same
00:02.32merlin1991thanks again
00:02.55merlin1991weird the cssu metapackge depends on those even though they defenitely come from the orginal pr
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00:03.43Zer0coolbeen trying to get queenbeecon to open xterm an run this command , osso-xterm -e ' sudo arp-scan --interface=wlan0 --localnet but i cant get xterm to stay open can anybody help
00:04.55SpeedEvilTry something like 'sh-c 'arp-scan .... ; sleep 1h''
00:04.59Zer0cooli even tryed creating arp.sh adding in the command to that an issue command to run script but it still closes
00:05.30SpeedEvilYou need to wait at the end
00:05.32SpeedEvilsomehow
00:06.21Zer0cooli was told to add an & at the end but still same
00:06.39SpeedEvilthat won't hekp
00:06.54SpeedEvilyou need something to explicitly wait
00:07.00merlin1991damn I should have written it down the last time
00:07.02SpeedEviladd sleep 1h at the end of the script
00:07.13Zer0coolhumm then im stuck , will try now ...
00:07.22merlin1991we've found an answer for that problem, but I have no clue when
00:08.09Zer0cooli had similar problem while back but same commands wont work this time...
00:08.52Zer0coolif i add sleep to the end still same issue
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00:10.33merlin1991damn I'm at the very last package to compile and now I fail on msgfmt missing
00:11.48merlin1991nfc wich package holds that file
00:11.50NIN101Zer0cool: and last time you have been told to put the stuff in shellscript with +x permission IIRC
00:12.04luke-jr[18:33:51] <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that?  <--- ?
00:13.02Zer0coolNIN101 i already did that thanks ...
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00:19.42DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ???
00:20.12DocScrutinizerluke-jr: <Shapeshifter> Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power.  <luke-jr> Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too!
00:20.49luke-jroh
00:21.08DocScrutinizerluke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation. but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies
00:21.55DocScrutinizer<DocScrutinizer> so some pointers about where to dig are welcome
00:22.31LaoLang_coolHow to set xterm's foreground/background? In settting gui, I can't set the clor in color code, say #ffffff
00:22.40LaoLang_coolI want to set it presicely
00:22.53DocScrutinizermompls
00:23.22DocScrutinizerhttp://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/
00:28.06LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: I can't find the info that I want, could you point me out please?...
00:28.31Zer0cool@doc what ever happened to maemo-hackers.org is the site dead now ??
00:28.48DocScrutinizersorry this is all I know about it, can't point you to anything better. Just thought it might help
00:28.49Zer0coolthanks for link to osso-xterm
00:29.15DocScrutinizerZer0cool: no idea
00:29.35LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: thanks all the same. I thought xterm should have a .Xdefaults concept like it does on xorg.
00:30.00merlin1991how dare you maemo.org/packages to be down NOW!
00:30.04DocScrutinizerwell, seems osso-xterm is quite different in some respects
00:31.37luke-jrDocScrutinizer: before my N900 went unusable before my vacation, it rebooted whenever I tried to use mobile hotspot; it also randomly stopped responding to incoming connections
00:31.42DocScrutinizeranyway first ³ on that page I linked is about 256color thingie, so I thought it might be related
00:31.54luke-jrDocScrutinizer: when reinstalling, using the latest version rendered my N900 unbootable
00:33.08DocScrutinizerluke-jr: duh, that's sth that probably shouldn't need a ticket ;)
00:33.47DocScrutinizerI have to admit I never tested a newer version than 46?
00:34.57luke-jrthe latest I could find working is 42
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00:39.29Zer0cooldoes anybody know if you can open a port on N900 ??
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01:16.15pigeonis there a way to allow the "Notes" app on the n900 to run multiple instances (or just multiple windows)?
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02:34.02merlin1991does someone have an example of an application that uses qt-mobility, but teh version from the pr image/sdk and not the one from extras-devel?
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04:07.31DocScrutinizerpigeon: nope
04:07.44DocScrutinizerafaik at least
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04:15.17Caminomasterhi
04:15.28Caminomasteri have a n810
04:16.23CaminomasterBut I haven't upgraded my system, so I having troubles with microB, flash and chat
04:17.07Caminomasteri read about a "seamless update", but i don't know how I soudl proceed
04:21.33mgedminCaminomaster, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
04:21.41mgedminought to be a description
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04:22.15mgedminyou've two choices: the seamless upgrade (aka over the air), or reflashing (wipes data, so back up)
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04:22.45luke-jrCaminomaster: N810 is pretty hopeless
04:23.08Caminomasterhopeless?, luke-jr?
04:23.12mgedminto use the SSU, open the app manager and look for a 'Maemo' update
04:23.13luke-jrCaminomaster: slonopotamus and I maintain Gentoo for it, but that's the best you'll get I think
04:23.16Caminomasterin what way?
04:23.24mgedminif you don't see it, then flashing is your only option
04:23.34luke-jrCaminomaster: Nokia has abandoned Maemo entirely, let alone the 2-generations old version on N810
04:23.44luke-jrmgedmin: do they even run the SSU anymore?
04:23.53mgedmingood question
04:23.59luke-jrCaminomaster: Nokia is 100% Microsoft now
04:24.02mgedminI don't see why not
04:24.09mgedminshutting things down takes effort :)
04:24.27luke-jrmgedmin: less than continuing to pay the hosting bill
04:24.50mgedminunless they use the same hardware for N9 repos
04:25.03Caminomasteromg! Nokia has fallen into the dark side of the force!
04:25.38luke-jrugh, N9 was such a joke
04:26.44adrianuyMicrosoft will eat to Nokia
04:28.37Caminomasterunless Android become available for nokia devices
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04:31.12Caminomasterluke-jr, have I to add any repo to make this maemo update available?
04:31.36luke-jrwhat maemo update?
04:31.40luke-jrmaemo is dead
04:36.04Caminomasterhehe
04:36.51Caminomasterlast question was for mgedmin, so escuse me luke
04:39.09luke-jr:P
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04:52.32Caminomasterbye 2 everyone
04:57.49DocScrutinizeryou are not really nice to that guy
04:58.37DocScrutinizeryou at least could have told him that he needs to flash to a newer version of diablo to get *any* SSU to work, N810 never came with SSU working OOTB
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05:01.22luke-jrDocScrutinizer: mine did O.o
05:01.39DocScrutinizerhah
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05:09.26DocScrutinizeralso http://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project
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05:19.30pigeonDocScrutinizer: sad, thanks.
05:20.40pigeonit's a bit of a shame that it's pretty good at doing multitasking and multi windowing though i can only open one note at a time.
05:21.02pigeonsame for e-mail, can only show one window (e-mail) at a time.
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05:24.32DocScrutinizerHAHA @ http://www.nokia.com/OS2008
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05:26.36DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/search?q=http://www.nokia.com/OS2008
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05:31.30DocScrutinizerluke-jr: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-n810/software-update/whats-new
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05:38.37slonopotamusluke-jr: i thought you've destroyed your n810
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05:51.05DocScrutinizerhahaha feature update .23->.30 (actually incl kernel and all shit, some 12MB), boot, check again: feature update .30->.36, 24MB -> "PROBLEM: pre-installed-documentation-rx44(=5.4) missing, update not possible"  >:-( brilliant Nokia, really brilliant!
05:51.38DocScrutinizer(^^^ diablo)
05:52.51slonopotamuswhat are you doing? :-/
05:53.23DocScrutinizerupdating my spare N810 as long as google yields some hits for "N810"
05:54.39DocScrutinizerthe on-device bookmarks suggested http://nokia.com/OS2008  --  google got me to http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-n810/software-update/whats-new
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05:56.24slonopotamushmm... i have 5.2010.33-1 here
05:57.14DocScrutinizeron N810?
05:58.04slonopotamusn800
05:58.12DocScrutinizerhummm
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05:58.15DocScrutinizerlemme check
05:58.16slonopotamusat least it claims so
05:59.11DocScrutinizer4.2008.30-2
05:59.28slonopotamusmaybe that's cssu?
05:59.37DocScrutinizerquite possibly
06:00.12DocScrutinizerthought it'd be a good idea to update to latest official befor I enable diabli CSSU
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06:00.18DocScrutinizerdiablo*
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06:00.47slonopotamushttp://wiki.maemo.org/Diablo_Community_Project yes
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06:03.19slonopotamusmeh. diablo kernel doesn't play well with glibc >= 2.12
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06:24.26Maceris bt dun done automatically?
06:24.45Maceri'm about to try to tether my transformer to my n900 using bt
06:24.53Macerif at all possible. i am trying to avoid wifi hotspot
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06:27.12Macerhm
06:27.18Macerdon't know how to do the bt dun in android :)
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06:31.58psycho_oreosandroid on N900 -> #nitdroid
06:39.00Sazpaimon_what is the metapackage where all non-sdk maemo packages exist
06:39.23Sazpaimon_i just want runtime stuff with no development headers
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06:45.02DocScrutinizererrrr
06:45.52Sazpaimon_i mean, if I installed mp-fremantle-community-pr wouldn't that basically give a base CSSU install for maemo
06:46.42DocScrutinizernfc
06:46.53DocScrutinizerit's not supposed to get installed that way
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06:53.44Macerdamnit
06:53.50Macerok. it isn't the transformer
06:53.56Macerit is the bluetooth-dun maemo use
06:54.06Macerwhen pairing it doesn't see the dun profile
06:54.10Maceram i missing something here?
06:54.21Maceri remeber on my netbook and macbook that this just worked :)
06:57.15Macerdoes the bluetooth dun require the advanced kernel or something?
07:02.24DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: WAAH help!! I installed diablo CSSU, checked/enabled the catalog, hit update/refresh in appmanager several times, but I'm nailed to OS2008 4.2008.30-2 and according to changelog also no fixes in busybox
07:04.13DocScrutinizermeh, nuttin a apt-get upGRADE won't fix, eh? X-P
07:07.08DocScrutinizer75 pkgs updating
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07:16.37Maceron an n810?
07:16.44Macerthat should take a day :)
07:16.53Termanaheh
07:19.51Maceroh
07:19.56Maceri guess i need ot use pan?
07:20.06Maceri thought bluetooth-dun used pan as a way to connect
07:20.16Maceri also need an "advanced" kernel and iptables?
07:20.18Macerwtf :)
07:20.31Macerruns backupmenu
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07:21.12Macerthank you so much robbiethe1st
07:21.14Macerlol
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07:31.29DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: busybox ls -Q fixed but still 4.2008.30-2
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07:41.20ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/09/aussie_retailers_selling_samsung_galaxy_tab/ <-- heh
07:44.04ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/10/barnes_noble_complain_doj/ <-- heh
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07:56.27Macerdamnit
07:56.31Maceri was trying to duck using wifi
07:56.39Macerbut i can't seem to get the bluetooth dun working :(
07:57.06Macerah well.. maybe i will give it another try later on. hopefully this wifi doesn't murder the battery too bad. last time i used it... it was eating up battery fster than the N900 could charge.
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08:15.41ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I think kernel power is broken because I a) at least feel like I've seen more application crashes B) consistently see a bug where the N900 will only boot 1 out of 4 times if USB is connected and 3) applications protocols kept stop working randomly.
08:17.55jonwilbah, I need to find someone who knows something about Gecko internals :(
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08:18.39jonwilsuspects irc.mozilla.org is the best place to find such a person
08:18.47jonwilor the mozilla mailing lists
08:19.00Macertry fidonet
08:19.02LaoLang_coolhello, maemoers!
08:19.04Macergrins
08:19.33LaoLang_coolCurious if the maemo development is still going on
08:19.45Macerlol
08:19.59MacerLaoLang_cool: go to #maemo-ssu ... those guys do stuff
08:20.17Macerthey're buzy bees doing things for us leeches to consume
08:20.37LaoLang_coolssu, aha!
08:20.43LaoLang_coolcommunity pr
08:21.03Maceryeah.. they're doin a bang up job
08:21.13merlin1991LaoLang_cool: about the weechat I compiled you, it should have perl and python support
08:21.15Macerget to have cool things ie a portrait home screen/desktop
08:21.28merlin1991you might need to install some packages though
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08:30.22LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: oh, I will have a try again
08:30.57LaoLang_coolWill check if it's on extra-devel repo, I've reflashed my n900 so everything has gone
08:31.34merlin1991I didn't upload it to extras-devel
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08:53.04jonwildoubts there is anyone out there who truly understands the internals of the beast called Gecko...
08:54.50LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: oh, will install it from pkg file
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09:20.06LaoLang_cooldoes xterm support visualbeep ?
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09:51.50FireFlyHi. I accidentally screwed up and get the "dots progress bar" forever on boot. I think this is because of a single file. Is there any way I can modify the filesystem without having to (properly) boot the N900?
09:54.40FireFly(I was trying to setup a dotfiles syncing system, and I think I accidentally copied my desktop .xinitrc to /home/user on the N900.. not the most clever thing to do, I suppose :P)
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10:15.27luke-jrFireFly: there's a rescue kernel image somewhere you can boot
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10:17.28FireFlyThanks, I'll give it a try
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10:34.15FireFlyluke-jr, I can't seem to be able to write special characters (requirin fn/altgr) though.. and in this case the problematic file lies in /home, so it's not mounted by default by the rescue kernel
10:34.31FireFlyrequiring*
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10:41.40FireFlyAll right, looks like .xinitrc wasn't the problem.. hm
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10:44.33mecejonwil, you have a thread dedicated to you: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79852
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10:52.19jonwilI have no idea how easy it will be to clone the vkb widget code
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11:42.30jonwilI think I found the answer for my Google Transit problem. There is a display of a "M" logo at a railway station on Nokia Maps. If I find the png file for that "M" logo, I can find out where its drawn
11:42.48jonwilAnd from there figure out this stuff works
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11:52.55totalizatorhi guys, do you know if I can replace the plastic keyboard border in n900 without disassembling the device?
11:53.34SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer ^
11:54.01SpeedEvilAt the very least, you don't need to dissasemble the screen - I'm unsure of the rest.
11:56.37SpeedEvilAlso
11:56.47SpeedEvilHAve you read the l1/l2 repair manual
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12:00.00totalizatorSpeedEvil: that's a relief; the manual?
12:00.43SpeedEvilyes
12:00.45markinfohallo. How should be encoded Video to be optimaly played on Nokia n900?
12:00.56SpeedEvilThere is a page on the wiki
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12:03.19SpeedEvilI use mplayers default 'avi' encoding.
12:03.28SpeedEvilThis is very, very far from optimal, but works for me.
12:03.43markinfoavi is container - or?
12:04.01SpeedEvilavi is container, but mplayer has a default it picks if you dn't specify anything
12:04.20markinfoi will lok on wiki - tehere is probably some hardware acceleration for some specific codec.
12:04.26SpeedEvilThere is.
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12:05.08totalizatorSpeedEvil: thx, got it but nothing there, just a complete disassembly guide
12:05.46SpeedEviltotalizator: err - yes. You read the guide, and work out at what point you can stop, in order to get the keyboard out.
12:05.57SpeedEvilAnd what steps you can omit.
12:06.14SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer has replaced his keyboard - he may not be around right now though.
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12:09.26totalizatorSpeedEvil: but I want to replace just the plastic cover
12:10.15SpeedEvilthe keyboard is held in by the bezel IIRC - so removing one is removing the other
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12:12.59totalizatorSpeedEvil: ok, thx; I'll just try to find someone who has already did this
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12:40.14jonwilwhats wrong with your keyboard bezel?
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12:43.39LaoLang_coolhello!
12:44.11LaoLang_coolI want to copy string into clipboard in vim, how to do that? I don't want to click xterm menu and copy, too slow
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12:47.57Macerctrl c
12:48.07Macerctrl v
12:48.57LaoLang_coolMacer: in vim, ctrl-c is to cancel, ctrl-v is visual selection.
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12:53.37Macerctrl on the qwerty?
12:53.55Maceroh
12:54.21Macerthen there isnt much of an alternative since vim is mapped that way
12:54.28Macerchange the mappings in vim :)
12:56.42SpeedEvilscreen, too.
12:56.57Macerwhats wrong with screen?
12:57.05SpeedEvilYou can copy/'paste with it
12:57.08Macerdoes screen use ctrl v or c? :)
12:57.12Maceroh
12:57.35Maceryeah but that is using screen.. would screen allow for using the stylus as a selection?
12:57.46SpeedEvilProbably not.
12:58.49LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: screen can't copy the string into system clipboard too
12:59.11LaoLang_coolI want to exchange contents between vim and system
12:59.44Macercant wait to get this synology disk station i ordered
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13:01.47SpeedEvilLaoLang_cool: True.
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13:02.35LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: click xterm's menu then select copy is too slow, can I configure it to pop up in more speedy
13:02.48Maceri am sure you can remap vim tho
13:03.07LaoLang_coolclick menu then I need to wait at most 0.5 second
13:03.37LaoLang_coolMacer: remap is no problem, just don't know how to make the selection go into system's clipboard
13:04.02LaoLang_cool0.7 second I think :) too long to wait
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13:04.38LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: hi, I think weechat can be uploaded to the repo, any reason not to do it??
13:05.50vdvi click on program icon in the app list to launch it, but it's only higlighted and program is not executed (i check process list remotely via ssh). what can be reason for that? if i run app from terminal it starts normally
13:06.18vdvprogram is the latest version of qstardict
13:06.24vdv1.0
13:07.58vdvi've built and created deb package myself, seems i've did something wrong...
13:12.58Macerremap vim
13:13.08Maceruse clipboard ctrl x c v
13:13.10Macerwell
13:13.13Macerc and v
13:13.20Maceri am guessing you cant cut
13:13.21Maceror
13:13.26Maceruse a non xterm editor
13:13.29Macer:)
13:15.52LaoLang_coolMacer: ctrl x c v doesn't equal to cut/copy/paste at all
13:16.18LaoLang_cooland the string cut/copied/pasted doesn't go into system's clipboard
13:16.42LaoLang_coolThey are managed by vim
13:17.37LaoLang_coolremap isn't an issue, the issue is how to make the selection in vim go into system's clipboard without using the copy functio provided by vim
13:18.16SpeedEvilYou're gonna need to add it to vim, I think.
13:18.39SpeedEvilPresumably, there is some wayfor an app to dump as tring to the system clipboard.
13:19.22LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: you mean that these is no way to do it at present?
13:19.45SpeedEvilIt seems unlikely.
13:19.56SpeedEvilAssuming vim is simply a compiled 'normal' vim.
13:20.02LaoLang_coolOr any tools that can be piped strings to it and make it go into clipboard?
13:20.09SpeedEvilThen it will have basically been designed to run on a terminal.
13:20.24Corsacxclip
13:20.31SpeedEvilThere is no general clipboard on most terminals, so it's unlikely to support it. yeah.
13:20.36SpeedEvilThat's possible.
13:20.42LaoLang_coolCorsac: xclip support the system clipboard? nice, I'll try
13:20.54CorsacI don't know what “system clipboard” is
13:20.57SpeedEvilIf you can tell vim to spit the string to xclip, or something.
13:20.59Corsacxclip is for X clipboard
13:21.14Corsacnote that when vim is compiled with X support, it'll happily paste to the X buffer
13:21.23LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: I'm curious why vim on n900 has compiled the feature to support xclipboard
13:21.32SpeedEvilhm
13:21.39SpeedEvilSorry - I forgot all about xvim
13:21.42LaoLang_coolCorsac: see my post :) vim has compiled the feauture
13:21.43SpeedEvilplease ignore the last
13:22.07LaoLang_coolI think n900 isn't use xorg, so it doesn't work
13:22.18LaoLang_coolSo I'm curious if xclip would work too
13:22.21LaoLang_coolwill try it
13:22.24Corsachmhm, now after removing the account and rebooting, it's meegotouchhome and commhistoryd which fight for the cpu
13:22.28Corsaccries
13:23.34SpeedEvilThis is n950?
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13:24.40LaoLang_coolseems I can't find xclip vi apt-get...
13:25.49LaoLang_coolI'm curious that why vim on n900 doesn't compiled the feature 'autochdir'
13:26.33CorsacSpeedEvil: N9
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15:03.58merlin1991LaoLang_cool: my reason not to upload to the repo was that it isn't a properly packaged package, it was jsut quick and dirty to get it done
15:04.12merlin1991The voting of the Maemo Community / MeeGo Coding Competition 2011 is now open, and you have received this email as you are eligible to vote. wtf?
15:04.34SpeedEvilwtf?
15:04.46LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: I have perl python installed on maemo, but weechat doesn't work with them(i.e., no plugin supported)
15:05.12merlin1991strange
15:05.35LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: what is proper way? Anyway it' works.
15:06.09merlin1991for example have the plugins work properly ;)
15:06.12LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: i'm on n900 now! :) Thank you!
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15:06.53merlin1991SpeedEvil: I kinda missed that whole coding competition, and I have nfc why I'm eligible to vote
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15:08.01LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: At least it can work, extra-devel means it still on devel stage, so it's acceptable
15:08.24LaoLang_coolfrom my view ;p
15:08.51merlin1991oh one just has to be registered on maemo.org for more than 4th to get that mail
15:08.53merlin1991interesting
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15:11.16LaoLang_cooltime to bed, see you!
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15:50.21minttuxis it possible to run command on debian chroot from maemo terminal?
15:50.47SpeedEvilYes.
15:51.10SpeedEvilcd /where/ever
15:51.14SpeedEvilchroot . bash
15:51.56SpeedEvilIf you mean X commands, it's going to be more interesting, as you're gonna need to peroperly set the xommand to the fake X server.
15:51.57minttuxfor example i would like run mysql but it installed in debian.but i want to run it from maemo x-terminal
15:52.43SpeedEvil'sqlite3' won't work?
15:52.58minttuxi need php-cli
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15:53.20SpeedEvilYou may be able to run more, if you add the libraries at teh end of /etc/ld.so.conf - and then add the easy-debian dirs to your path
15:54.16SpeedEvilErr - LD_LIBRARY_PATH is probably more sane than so.conf
15:54.17rlyI recently setup USB over ethernet, but after a reboot it apparently doesn't work anymore.
15:54.32rlyIs the order in which setup the different parts of interest?
15:54.52minttuxwhat do you mean by easy-debian dirs?  for example path of php-cli in debian?
15:55.00rlyE.g. do ifconfig on the host first and only later do the PC suite connection, etc.?
15:55.17SpeedEvilminttux: easy-debian mounts its own filesystem somewhere.
15:55.24SpeedEvilThat is not on the normal path
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16:04.39rlyMy ifconfig on the host shows the following for the usb connection: Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 1B-30-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
16:04.54rlyHow do I make it show a correct value there?
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16:06.41rlyNever mind.
16:07.24SpeedEvilifconfig...
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16:18.48HaXeriwould there be any ease way to make my N900 turn to silent mode (profile) when it discovers a certain wlan network
16:22.23NIN101dbus + /etc/network/if-up.d/
16:24.37rlyHow can I automatically execute ifconfig <device> up when I insert hte n900?
16:24.42rlythe*
16:24.47rly(on Debian)
16:25.22rlyI am already using SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0421", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01c8", ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Nokia", ATTRS{product}=="N900 (PC-Suite Mode)", NAME="n900"
16:25.41rlyBut that isn't really responsible for that.
16:25.56rlyThe allow-hotplug doesn't automatically 'up' the interface.
16:26.03rlyNo idea as to why.
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16:35.30NIN101HaXeri: Do you mean when it connects?
16:35.44NIN101to a wlan network.
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16:36.07HaXerino
16:36.18ZogG_N9hey
16:36.28HaXeriwhen i go to schoolbuilding i never remember to turn it silent
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16:39.54NIN101well then I am not aware of an easy way.
16:40.13NIN101besides scaning the in intervals via iwconfig, but this drains the battery.
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16:56.38DocScrutinizertotalizator: to swap keymat you just need to remove the 2 torx screws and the frame around kbd comes off
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16:57.57AndrewX192How well does the N9 terminal emulator work? Is it anything in comparison to X-Terminal on the Nokia N900?
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16:59.25DocScrutinizertotalizator: loosing the philips screws a lil bit may help, as you can "bend" away the screen slide then by 0.5mm
17:01.44DocScrutinizertotalizator: took me like 10 min to swap the keymat and re-insert the frame to the hooks at "upper" end, but I didn't unscrew anything completely except the 2 torx under the frame
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18:56.23nealDocScrutinizer: I can't find any info about replacing the clock battery, but I think you've posted something.  DO you have some keywords I can use to search?  Thanks.
18:57.48DocScrutinizererr, lemme try to find sth for you
18:57.55nealthanks
18:59.24DocScrutinizerneal: http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R
19:00.45DocScrutinizerhttp://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf
19:01.06DocScrutinizerthe last one might be a search term to spot convo logs
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19:01.14nealthanks!
19:02.33DocScrutinizerhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf
19:03.23nealsecond question: since one of my n900s no longer charges although the usb port has not fallen out, do you think that the usb port's legs are broken?
19:03.32nealand if so, do you think a repair shop has a chance of fixing it?
19:05.54nealouch! Es fällt eine Pauschale (Verpackung, Verzollung, Versand) von €20,00 einmalig pro Auftrag an
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19:06.47DocScrutinizerhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-01.log.html#t2011-03-01T15:27:43
19:07.29SpeedEvilneal: First try another cable
19:07.58nealI did
19:08.01nealI tried a couple
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19:08.16nealand the calbe works (I charged a different n900 using it)
19:08.28SpeedEvilK
19:09.42DocScrutinizerneal: (2nd Q) yes, and yes
19:10.22DocScrutinizerneal:
19:10.26DocScrutinizer~usbfix
19:10.26infobotusbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
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19:14.20DocScrutinizerneal: (20€) I'd buy 5 cells at 2.50€ each from you ;-D
19:17.00DocScrutinizeror 10 @ 1.80€
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19:22.48DocScrutinizerdang, #meego still got 31 users more than #maemo
19:22.56x29asoon
19:23.25nealDocScrutinizer: I'll likely buy them.
19:23.36nealDocScrutinizer: Do you know anyone else who is interested?
19:23.58merlin1991neal: what are you ordering?
19:24.18DocScrutinizergiven my bookmark was IL.farnell.com I think either moh or ZogG  or dunno somebody else over there asked me
19:24.44nealmerlin1991: Replacement capacitor for the n900
19:24.51merlin1991hehe I need that too
19:25.02merlin1991mine's been dead since about a year
19:25.18DocScrutinizerthey all die
19:25.39DocScrutinizeras these are not capacitors but LiIon cels that are very poorly manufactured
19:26.03DocScrutinizerI hope for a near infinite life for the replacement I suggested
19:26.12DocScrutinizerit's already tested to work
19:26.14nealthe replacement is a capacitor, right?
19:27.02DocScrutinizerwill not offer the >1 year standby of a good LiIon bupbat, but then a LiIon seems dead for good after <1year
19:27.08DocScrutinizerneal: yes
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19:27.43DocScrutinizershall power your RTC for > 1 week, with main battery removed
19:28.04nealI guess I can order a bunch.
19:28.07nealmerlin1991: does 3 euros sound fair?
19:28.19nealfor one
19:28.29x29afor a powercap?
19:28.29neal~2 euros each plus postage to .at
19:28.31x29ayeah, why not
19:28.40merlin1991sounds fair
19:29.10nealok
19:30.00nealDocScrutinizer: Have you actually tried this, btw?
19:30.26DocScrutinizerwhat? ordering? or the cap as replacement?
19:30.37nealusing the cap as a replacement
19:31.01DocScrutinizersome users in here did it and said "thank you so much Doc"
19:31.19nealok
19:31.22merlin1991hm where did that l1/l2 pdf go
19:31.58merlin1991I know I have it *somewhere*
19:32.06DocScrutinizerlocate
19:32.41nealof course, the quote was without tax :/
19:32.54merlin1991on a windows box doc :/
19:33.41DocScrutinizerNokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0
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19:34.24merlin1991lmao
19:34.27merlin1991guess where I found
19:34.41merlin1991*it*
19:34.51DocScrutinizerC:
19:35.04merlin1991on the n9
19:35.15nealexcellent
19:35.23DocScrutinizero.O
19:35.29nealSie sind Privatkunde, möchten aber auf das umfangreiche Produktangebot von Farnell zugreifen? Wenden Sie sich bitte an unseren autorisierten Fachhandelspartner (
19:35.39DocScrutinizerouch
19:35.41merlin1991rofl
19:35.42nealand they don't have the part
19:35.56DocScrutinizerWTF
19:36.08x29aneal: where are you from?
19:36.14nealI'm in germany
19:36.32x29areichelt.de conrad.de buerklin.de
19:36.35nealx29a: Do I have an accent :-)
19:36.43DocScrutinizerconrad :-x
19:36.59nealI don't like conrad :-)
19:37.07x29aneal: are you by any chance a student? they can order at farnell
19:37.12DocScrutinizerand conrad doesn't have that cap
19:37.25DocScrutinizerLOL
19:37.44nealreichelt doesn't seem to have it either
19:38.03nealI am a student.  I didn't see that option.
19:38.22x29aneal: they need a proof of your student status, just email them
19:38.52nealdo you think they'll let me order so many of one part?
19:39.03x29ayep
19:39.04x29ahttp://de.farnell.com/jsp/support/support.jsp?formpage=farnell/de/support/help/faq.jsp#GH
19:39.13x29a"Ja, Studenten sind bei der Online-Bestellung willkommen und haben Anspruch auf einen 12%igen Rabatt"
19:39.44nealoh, 12% rebate :)
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19:48.21DocScrutinizerneal: farnell doesn't tell me any crap about students only etc
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19:48.41nealDocScrutinizer: I was on http://de.farnell.com
19:49.02DocScrutinizercompleted step1 of "KAsse" with their standard kundennummer and PIN for new customers
19:49.02nealDocScrutinizer: When I went to check out, I saw the message I cited
19:49.25DocScrutinizerpayment "Rechnung"
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19:49.45nealDocScrutinizer: I didn't try to go further figuring that they'd reject me or ask for a vat id
19:49.53DocScrutinizer>>Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0<<
19:49.57DocScrutinizererr sorry
19:50.03DocScrutinizer>>Meine Bestellung : 2. Lieferdetails<<
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19:50.48x29adocscrutinizer: is the fact that i said that students can order there (and did it already myself) not legitimate enough?
19:51.04nealif you order some, I'll buy 4 from you for 2.50 each :)
19:51.20x29awhy are you not ordering?
19:51.29DocScrutinizerI'm not going to proceed on that for now
19:51.30nealbecause DocScrutinizeris
19:51.35neal:)
19:52.01x29aok, im obviously missing an important part of the conversation
19:52.05x29athough you were the one ordering stuff
19:52.28nealyeah, but now I need to scan stuff
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19:52.33neal= delay
19:52.38x29aomg
19:52.43neal?
19:52.56DocScrutinizerhttps://de.farnell.com/jsp/checkout/shipping.jsp?clear=true&_requestid=XXXXXXXXXXXX
19:53.19DocScrutinizerhaven't seen *any* rant about "we won't sell to you"
19:53.41nealnow I want the 12% discount too :)
19:53.47x29adocscrutinizer: continue to buy, they will email you, that only students and companies can order there
19:53.59DocScrutinizermeh
19:54.15x29adocscrutinizer: and it says "sie sind privatkunde..." at the bottom of the page you linked
19:54.38DocScrutinizerI *am* a company, so how would they pester me with such BS?
19:54.51x29athen there is no problem ordering
19:54.53x29awhats your point?
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19:58.06nealI still need 3 more people to review my packages for Woodchuck: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1118751&postcount=4 , thanks.
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20:03.20DocScrutinizeremail from farnell-> >> Sie haben Ihr persönliches Webkonto auf www.farnell.de erfolgreich eröffnet und haben jetzt Zugriff auf das führende Angebot im Bereich Halbleiter, Passive, Automatisierungstechnik, Instandhaltung und Werkstattbedarf. Der Benutzername Ihres Webkontos lautet: ...<<
20:03.46x29agz
20:04.02DocScrutinizerneal, I can't see why you couldn't order at farnell
20:05.06x29adocscrutinizer: if you order as a private person, they will reject your order once you place it and tell you to use their distributor
20:05.20DocScrutinizerthat's insane
20:05.22x29aonly company accounts (with valid vat numbers and stuff) or students can order there
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20:05.47x29aworks for them, obviously. its a bit shady, agreed
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20:06.46DocScrutinizerand btw I had no chance to even enter my valid VAT number naywhere
20:07.40x29ai never registered as a company, the support will help you though
20:07.43jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: when you create account they ask for that stuff
20:07.55DocScrutinizerno, they didn't
20:08.02jacekowskiwhat are you buying?
20:08.02DocScrutinizerI'm already registered
20:08.11DocScrutinizermeh
20:08.21DocScrutinizersorry, I have no time for that now
20:08.31jacekowskiiirc you have to do it on paper if you are company
20:08.40jacekowskiand then you get credit with them and whatnot
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20:24.31DocScrutinizern900backer: maybe dbus-monitor would reveal sth. I don't think there's a function to do that ootb
20:24.55n900backerDocScrutinizer:tnx
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20:26.18DocScrutinizerdbus scripting would do the trick if you can find a dbus msg that tells about online status of a contact changed
20:27.08DocScrutinizersorry I can't do that as I have *no* contacts that change their status
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20:52.35merlin1991anyone wanna play guinea pig for cssu stable?
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20:53.12nealover the weekend, I'll likely have time
20:53.16nealwhat needs to be checked?
20:54.03merlin1991technically it should just work (tm), but we wan't to check it running on a few devices before we push it into the repos
20:54.27nealok
20:54.39Sicelohow much data  will this involve?
20:55.36merlin1991~30 mb
20:56.50Sicelotomorrow then (not enough bandwidth here atm)
20:57.09Siceloi guess i'll have to disable devel repo
20:57.29merlin1991devel as in extras-devel or cssu-testing?
20:58.25Siceloextras-devel
20:59.24merlin1991no problem with that
20:59.38merlin1991only thing that doesn't work is going from cssu-testing to cssu-stable
21:00.08Siceloi'm jst on pr1.3.1, with pk47
21:00.24Sicelos/js/jus/
21:00.51merlin1991should work just fine (and I hope after you tested we can say it indeed works fine :D)
21:01.23Sicelonp. i've been wanting to go cssu route since a week ago
21:01.26merlin1991so far it only runs on my n900 so I don't want to generalise yet
21:03.34merlin1991btw anybody who wants to peak what's going to come with stable: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable
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21:05.18Siceloi must remember to remove modified-hildon-desktop too :/
21:05.40merlin1991yes that is important
21:06.22merlin1991when cssu started we had an average of 3 cases with cssu + modified-h-d --> endless updates with no results
21:06.33merlin1991*average per day*
21:06.39DocScrutinizerneal: check camera and modest
21:06.54nealDocScrutinizer: ?
21:07.01DocScrutinizerin Stable
21:07.01Siceloin cssu i will be able to do that ctrl-bkspc thing on DocScrutinizer's tools page?
21:07.10DocScrutinizeryes
21:07.18nealoh, now I understand what you mean
21:07.24nealsorry
21:07.26nealwill do
21:07.52merlin1991DocScrutinizer: camera and modest are not touched by stable
21:08.02DocScrutinizermerlin1991: exactly
21:08.10DocScrutinizerthat's what needs check
21:08.36merlin1991ah yeah, true
21:09.06DocScrutinizeras that's "all new" in S
21:09.23DocScrutinizernews is there's no news now ;-D
21:10.20Sicelobtw, what is hildon-home?
21:10.26DocScrutinizerfor the occasional listener: Stable has no improvements to camera and modest/mail as they are not considered stable yet
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21:11.02DocScrutinizerso that's sth you won't get on S but Testing has those patches resp a whole new camera-ui
21:11.41merlin1991DocScrutinizer: it will come, eventually ;)
21:11.49DocScrutinizeryep
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21:12.05DocScrutinizernot considered stable *yet*
21:12.27nealDocScrutinizer: What's your take on gta04?
21:13.01DocScrutinizerso CSSU-S needs testing for the kicking out of those cam/modest stuff didn't break anything
21:13.05merlin1991Sicelo: hildon-desktop and hildon-home build the desktop together
21:13.11DocScrutinizerneal: :shrug:
21:13.46merlin1991aiui home does the "desktop" rendering while desktop is the manager for all windows
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21:14.45DocScrutinizerneal: on GTA01/02 we did PV runs with a number of devices > the number of GTA04 available to order
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21:15.00Sicelothanks for explanation. :)
21:15.02DocScrutinizerso basically you order a prototype
21:15.15MrOppositeHello
21:15.24MrOppositeI got some problems with my n900
21:15.30nealDocScrutinizer: So, doomed to failure?
21:15.30MrOppositeAfter I installed MyMenu
21:15.47MrOppositeUhm
21:15.49DocScrutinizerfrom history and empiric yes
21:15.57MrOppositeNot installed
21:15.59MrOppositeTRIED to install
21:16.02MrOppositethe installation failed
21:16.08MrOppositeso I removed mymenu
21:16.22MrOppositeand then all my applications went away from the menu
21:16.29DocScrutinizerouch
21:16.36MrOppositeThere's more
21:16.44MrOppositeif I create a shortcut to the application on my desktop
21:16.51merlin1991anything left in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ ?
21:16.52MrOppositethe shortcut doesn't do anything
21:16.57MrOppositeI don't know
21:17.02MrOppositeMaybe SSH still work
21:17.18merlin1991ctrl+shift+x for a console should work
21:17.31MrOppositeOh
21:17.36MrOppositeI didn't know that
21:17.38MrOppositethanks
21:17.39MrOppositeNow
21:17.51rlyI got my auto connect on plugin of phone to work. :)
21:17.56MrOppositeyea
21:18.01MrOppositeRight
21:18.04MrOppositeI was inaccurate
21:18.08MrOppositeSOME applications are left
21:18.13MrOppositealthough most are gone
21:18.56MrOppositeCalculator, Clock, Settings, OVI store, Maps, Camera, Media player, E-mail, Photos, Calendar, Contacts, Conversations, Phone and web is still there
21:18.59MrOppositethe rest is gone
21:19.10MrOppositelike xchat, xterm tweego
21:19.11MrOppositeetc.
21:19.18DocScrutinizer~lart mymenu
21:19.18infobotoverclocks mymenu until mymenu burns out
21:19.19DocScrutinizeribot???
21:19.34rlyDocScrutinizer: do you also use Eth over USB?
21:19.44MrOppositealtho all applications .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications/hildon
21:20.09MrOppositeI've tried both restarting the phone and hildon-desktop
21:20.43DocScrutinizerumm
21:20.51MrOppositeIs the solution a reflash, or can I save it somehow?
21:21.01merlin1991MrOpposite: did you install from devel or from testing?
21:21.12DocScrutinizermymenu has messed up your hd strucrue/settings
21:21.15MrOppositetesting
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21:21.57merlin1991inspects mymenu code to make an educated guess where everything went
21:22.14merlin1991MrOpposite: as long as you have a terminal you should be able to fix that without a reflash
21:22.29MrOppositeYea, that's what I thought
21:22.35MrOppositealtho I don't know how
21:22.41MrOppositeI am experienced with the terminal in general
21:22.47MrOppositejust not on the maemo OS
21:22.56MrOppositehey look
21:23.03MrOppositeI tired installing mymenu again
21:23.06MrOppositeand it seemed to work
21:23.32MrOppositeI was gonna try that when the installation failed last time
21:23.45MrOppositealtho I didn't have application manager nor the terminal
21:23.48MrOppositeto try it...
21:24.02MrOppositeAnyway thanks for solving my problem :D
21:24.08merlin1991huh mymenu in testing has a carma of minus 8
21:24.27merlin1991first comment: After installing this application my menu is baisicly empty. The only applications remaining a the default ones (excluding xterm, application manager, pdf viewer). Shortcuts on the homescreen don't work unless they exist in the menu. Uninstalling the package does not fix this.
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21:25.05MrOppositeoh
21:25.13MrOppositeMaaaybe I should have read that
21:26.11DocScrutinizersee e.g ~user/.local/share/applications/hildon
21:27.23MrOppositeDocScrutinizer that directory is empty on my device
21:27.44DocScrutinizerthere's a number of ways mymenu might have messed up hd settings
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21:33.33DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: also check what's in /usr/share/applications
21:34.42merlin1991hm karma on maemo.org is weird
21:34.56MrOppositeuhm
21:35.44merlin1991I have eactly 4 thanks in the talk forums, but karma sais I've got 16 points karma from thanks on tmo
21:35.59MrOppositecumulus defaults.list hildon hidlon-control-panel hildon-home hildon-notification hildon-status-menu image-viewer mimeinfo.cache python2.5.desktop shemeinfo.cache uri-action-defaults.list
21:36.11MrOppositeMaybe I should have commaseparated the list?
21:36.45DocScrutinizermerlin1991: somewhere there's a link on that page to a wikipage explaining how those values get calculated
21:37.23DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: looks sane
21:37.26DocScrutinizermostly
21:37.31merlin1991Itt_thanks, thanks for TMO posts: 8 * sqrt(# thanks)  well it's correct but still weird
21:37.40Macerhttp://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/10/nokia-n900-battery-drop/
21:38.20DocScrutinizerMacer: ???
21:38.47Macerthat's what i said :)
21:38.49Macerlol
21:38.57Macerthen it stayed at 0.4 for like an hour
21:39.08DocScrutinizerso what's the use of posting random unrelated URLs here?
21:39.08Macerwith the red light blinking
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21:39.21Maceruhm......
21:39.32Macerunrelated to........ maemo?
21:39.48DocScrutinizerunrelated to anything
21:40.18DocScrutinizerwhat am I supposed to do with that?
21:40.24MrOppositebe nice to eachother... It was infact an image of the battery acting weird and I found it amuzing.
21:40.30DocScrutinizerclick on it to get a virus?
21:40.30merlin1991lulz and live one?
21:40.42merlin1991DocScrutinizer: http://tech.rancorous.net/media/2011/11/wpid-WTF.png
21:40.49Macer:) cmon DocScrutinizer .. the graph doesn't give you a giggle?
21:40.55merlin1991if you're to scared of the page ;)
21:40.58Macerheartless
21:41.26DocScrutinizerI'm not even pondering to click random unrelated URLs to find out why the F*CK the OP posted them here
21:42.07DocScrutinizerit's just triggering the spam alarm here
21:43.01MrOppositeWell he could have added a comment about the link...
21:43.08DocScrutinizeryes
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21:43.34corecodehi
21:43.40MrOppositeHi
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21:43.52corecodeany idea how i can easily build a .dsc?
21:44.09corecodei'm trying to see if https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12387 is the bug i'm experiencing
21:44.11povbot04Bug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls
21:44.52Macerspam alarm?
21:45.02Macerseriously?
21:45.43Macerooookay. well ... obviously have had bad experiences with web pages :) sorry. i thought it was related to maemo but to each their own.
21:46.34DocScrutinizerMacer: if you thought it was related to maemo then you might have explained that and suggested what to do with that URL
21:47.12DocScrutinizerthis is not a better google page where URLs pop up to give users sth to click on as they dun't know what to do with their time
21:48.28DocScrutinizeron other channels posting of URLs is completely forbidden, or at least may earn you a kickban when done in an uncommented unsolicited way like you did
21:49.41rlyIs there some way to autokill browserd when it is stuck in some infinite loop?
21:50.14rlyOr better: can't someone fix browserd?
21:50.44rlyCan one replace browserd in some way?
21:51.01DocScrutinizerMacer: if you'd have added "a funny graph of battery voltage: <URL>" then users can decide what to do. Either click the URL or think "meh" and ignore it. Just posting the URL is not helpful
21:52.12merlin1991rly: one can replace *anything* as long as one has a valid replacement
21:52.25Siceloi think jonwil has made it possible rly, but i wonder if there's something wrong with your N900. I don't get too many problems with browserd
21:52.40rlymerlin1991: so, browserd is open-source?
21:52.59ShadowJKUpdated "internal resistance" and "shutdown margin" graphs with my original BL-5J battery at 230 cycles (First measurement done at 160 cycles). http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ohm.png (yellow and blue). Also the margin: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/margin.png
21:53.00rlyIs it really open-source in that there is a program which enables you to actually replace it easily?
21:53.14merlin1991nope
21:53.21rlySicelo: everythign appears to function fine.
21:53.50rlySicelo: it is just a software problem, I think, as everything else is wroking.
21:53.53rlyworking*
21:54.04DocScrutinizerrly killall browserd
21:54.16merlin1991achipa: did you commit libtelepathy-qt4 (0.7.3) to extras-devel?
21:54.24rlyDocScrutinizer: yes, I did that, but I don't want to do that every time.
21:54.34achipamerlin1991: I have no recollection of that
21:54.46rlyAll the software I write has to be pretty much perfect.
21:54.53DocScrutinizerbrowserd isn't supposed to go awry every time
21:54.56rlyWhy can't the same hold for others?
21:55.05achipamerlin1991: would say it's more likely Kate did that, tho
21:55.20rlyDocScrutinizer: it happens when there are 'software updates'.
21:55.29DocScrutinizernever seen here
21:55.31rlyOr rather happened.
21:55.38merlin1991I was only guessing you might have done it since it relates to your qt-mobility work
21:55.46rlyCan't I attach gdb on the phone?
21:55.54DocScrutinizersure
21:56.03Sicelorly: u can schedule a killall browserd in alarmed for a time when you're asleep
21:56.10Sicelodail
21:56.11merlin1991gave me some trouble with missing members and whatnot when compiling the stock qt-mobility
21:56.33ShadowJKdoesn't remember the last time he killed browserd
21:56.40DocScrutinizerme neither
21:56.41achipamerlin1991: oh that, yes, ran into that one myself
21:56.43rlySicelo: that still eats the battery for the rest of the day.
21:56.49rlySo, apt-get install gdb?
21:56.54ShadowJKSometimes I kill -11 browserd on N800 ;-)
21:57.21achipamerlin1991: though was a result of some weird hack... I just commented out the offending line in mobility
21:57.40achipawas some very kooky skype account handling
21:57.45DocScrutinizerrly: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
21:58.22merlin1991yeah, qt-mobility depends on the protokolname as a qstring protocol() whilst the new lib has protocolName()
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21:59.52rlyDo n900 dev skills transfer to other phone type development or is it basically a waste of time if I ever want to do something with e.g. Android?
22:00.35SpeedEvilqt stuff is not quite wasted on sybian
22:00.39SpeedEvilsymbina
22:00.39DocScrutinizerI think android is a waste of time, but .. that's just me ;-D
22:00.46corecodedoes anybody have updated telepathy-gabble packages?
22:00.50rlyI closed HAM, but it still says E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
22:00.57ShadowJKqt also works on lunix desktop and windows desktop
22:01.01rlyHmm, it is just slow.
22:01.14DocScrutinizerrly: apt-worker needs up to 5min to finish
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22:01.15rlyThe GUI was gone, but it was still open. Odd semantics.
22:01.28rlyDocScrutinizer: apt-worker was done.
22:01.33rlyDocScrutinizer: top via ssh.
22:01.52rlyMeh, no gdb7
22:02.09rlyStill, cool that it actually works :)
22:04.02merlin1991rly: the autoupdate "feature" lets apt-worker spinn in the bg from time to time
22:04.10rlyIs there also a simulator for the n900?
22:05.10rlyOr a way to install all the debugging symbols for everything dependent on browserd?
22:05.21Sicelosdk, i suppose
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22:27.53MacerDocScrutinizer: lol... i thought the url said it all
22:28.00Macerthe nokia n900 battery drop didn't give it away?
22:28.35Macerafter i was explaining how my battery went from 60 to 0.4.. and how wordpress wouldn't let me upload a png for the screenshot?
22:30.09DocScrutinizeryou didn't
22:30.24DocScrutinizeror I missed that, or it dropped off my stack
22:31.06Macerheh
22:31.51DocScrutinizermaybe you mixed channels
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22:35.04DocScrutinizeryou had a proper story in #maemo-ssu
22:35.28DocScrutinizerand nobody complained about posting an URL there
22:35.45DocScrutinizerhere... not so much
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22:36.22jef91Anyone else have problems with the Easy Debian installer causing the N900 to restart?
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22:43.30ZogG_N9ruskie ping
22:44.19MacerDocScrutinizer: for future reference i would never post a link in the # unrelated to maemo or at the very least a mobile device which is related to something maemo does
22:45.00DocScrutinizerMacer: doesn't help. I'm still not clear about what's that URL
22:45.23Macerit is the battery eye graph of my battery going from 60 to 0.4 in 1 second
22:45.24DocScrutinizerso I still have the choice to ignore it or click it to find out what it might be
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22:45.54DocScrutinizersee, it's easy to get a nice URL post instead of an annoying ome :-D
22:46.13Macerthe url had the name of it in the url lol
22:46.20DocScrutinizerthis one sentence would have made a whole lot of a difference
22:46.22Macerah well.. to each their own :)
22:47.32Maceri just left it on until it turned off on its own and am hoping the calibration fixes itself
22:48.42DocScrutinizerdepends on what this battery mon tool is using as data source
22:49.07DocScrutinizerwhen it's bq27200, then it's rather normal and next time should be better
22:49.23DocScrutinizerI.E. bq27200 will calibrate
22:50.00DocScrutinizerit probably just switched from xx% to 5% when voltage reached the discharge threshold
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22:50.42DocScrutinizerif otoh the data source was bme/hal then ... oh well it's anybody's guess
22:50.59Macerheh
22:51.58Macerit was just so steep
22:52.24Macernot only that but my bme advanced power applet as well as the battery widget that uses bme saw it dive
22:52.40Macerbut then it stayed at 0.4 for like an hour and stayed there .. phone on...  high usage
22:52.42DocScrutinizerMacer: bq27200 switches from 100% to 5% happily when voltage reaches discharge threshold
22:53.01Maceri see
22:53.48DocScrutinizerhmm, battery staying at 0.4% for an hour of heavy usage is a bit weird. Probably that's been some of bme's lies then
22:54.27DocScrutinizererr s/5%/6%/ iirc
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23:04.02DocScrutinizerV?
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