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| 03:55.29 | Guest40473 | i've had terrible luck searching up a solution to this |
| 03:55.49 | Guest40473 | google.com maps desktop/mobile site just displays grey space on n900 |
| 03:56.08 | Guest40473 | cannot see map tiles, this happens with microB or firefox, both on 3g and home wifi |
| 03:56.34 | Guest40473 | all i see are 2009 forums posts that are like: "oh wow, google.com maps works great!1" |
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| 04:19.06 | luke-jr | Guest40473: wfm |
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| 05:05.41 | SpeedEvil | wfm2 |
| 05:18.29 | Guest40473 | ? |
| 05:18.37 | Guest40473 | oh, |
| 05:18.56 | Guest40473 | never worked for me. |
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| 05:22.05 | Guest40473 | that is useful information, though. |
| 05:22.14 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 05:22.40 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's a DNS issue. |
| 05:23.02 | SpeedEvil | But for it to be on 3G and wifi... |
| 05:25.04 | Guest40473 | that is what always made me think it was a google/browser issue |
| 05:25.31 | Guest40473 | i was quite surprised when firefox did not work either, though. |
| 05:27.08 | SpeedEvil | I'd try wget |
| 05:28.30 | SpeedEvil | Can you load http://mt0.google.com/vt/lyrs=h@163000000&hl=en&x=16100&s=&y=10169&z=15&s=Galil |
| 05:28.55 | SpeedEvil | or any tile image if you copy the url |
| 05:28.59 | SpeedEvil | from a desktop |
| 05:29.42 | Guest40473 | may have to wireshark this. |
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| 06:10.28 | Macer | so is faster app manager going to ever be the default? |
| 06:21.02 | Macer | word |
| 06:21.11 | Macer | back on the transformer :) |
| 06:21.28 | Macer | hope this damn bl-5j battery charger shows up some time soon |
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| 06:27.09 | ShadowJK | probably not, it doesn't handle some things |
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| 06:28.57 | Macer | ah ok |
| 06:29.08 | Macer | just thought it was a lot nicer considering you can do batch installs |
| 06:29.13 | Macer | which comes in handy :) |
| 06:29.40 | woldrich | comes in handy... |
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| 06:30.41 | woldrich | not being able to install more than one application at a time is just retarded. I know that even dpkg, as retarded as it might be, can do that |
| 06:31.27 | LaoLang_cool | How about maemo 5 community pr? Are you using it? |
| 06:31.34 | Macer | the interface is nicer as well |
| 06:31.45 | Macer | in faster app manager |
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| 06:34.46 | kerio | not to mention it has the best name ever |
| 06:34.53 | Macer | haha |
| 06:34.54 | LaoLang_cool | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 06:35.06 | Macer | kerio: yeah... that's what makes it special |
| 06:35.08 | LaoLang_cool | Is it recommended? |
| 06:35.18 | kerio | LaoLang_cool: sure, why not |
| 06:36.37 | LaoLang_cool | kerio: Is it still under active development? I heard that the community update makes OS more smoothy and speedy and power saving, is it true? |
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| 06:40.00 | Macer | :) |
| 06:40.06 | Macer | i wouldn't say power saving heh |
| 06:40.15 | Macer | but then again power is relative to use |
| 06:40.49 | LaoLang_cool | Macer: I mean in the same condition of course :) |
| 06:50.45 | ShadowJK | I imagine if you use catorise or similar it'll use less power as the hildon-desktop bug with that has been fixed |
| 06:54.20 | LaoLang_cool | Ah, I use the native GUI, so it won't have such issue |
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| 07:05.03 | madkickers | i have installed mysocials but it doesn't support facebook while in its page it says it is for services like facebook |
| 07:06.26 | cehteh | ask for your money back |
| 07:07.04 | madkickers | what? |
| 07:07.49 | woldrich | there are services that's like facebook that's not facebook |
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| 07:09.06 | madkickers | woldrich: of course.but pictures of the application in the garage say somethin else. and if u dont know the answer please dont waste my time.tnx |
| 07:09.30 | woldrich | uh, ok |
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| 07:10.56 | Macer | yawn |
| 07:11.05 | Macer | raining |
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| 07:44.39 | Macer | damnit |
| 07:44.43 | Macer | yeah i have to edit the keymap |
| 07:46.02 | Macer | damnit |
| 07:46.13 | Macer | i have to remember where i am supposed to edit it :) i will figure it out later |
| 07:46.41 | Macer | i wish su8w was listed in extkbd |
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| 08:02.34 | Macer | damnit |
| 08:02.57 | Macer | i cn't find the page that explained what i need to put into the symbols file to make it so return works on my su8w with the phone closed |
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| 08:28.17 | Macer | ok |
| 08:28.21 | Macer | got it :) |
| 08:28.34 | Macer | they seriously need to change that in the extkbd pkg |
| 08:28.35 | Macer | heh |
| 08:28.50 | Macer | or at least make it so it changes it on itÅ´´´´ |
| 08:29.04 | Macer | oh wtf |
| 08:29.13 | Macer | damnit |
| 08:35.11 | Macer | it´s |
| 08:35.18 | Macer | ok that is kind of odd |
| 08:35.21 | Macer | ¨ |
| 08:35.33 | Macer | those two keys are acting weird |
| 08:35.40 | Macer | i have to double tap them to get them to work |
| 08:35.43 | Macer | ´ ¨ |
| 08:36.38 | Macer | ´ |
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| 08:38.44 | Macer | ok fixed... awesome :) and people say that you can't use an su8w with an n900 |
| 08:38.51 | Macer | works like a champ now... |
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| 08:44.43 | Macer | need to run backupmenu again so the world doesn't end lmao |
| 08:45.03 | Macer | at least i think i have it hardwired into my brain how it is done. i remember me taking twice as long to fix this last time |
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| 08:50.53 | tramp | Is there another XLS spreadsheet viewer besides "Documents to Go". I went through the but didn't find one. |
| 08:51.19 | tramp | s/through the/through the list/ |
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| 08:59.47 | Macer | i am a little confused.. why does putting the gvoice plugin in "away" mode save battery? |
| 09:02.05 | Macer | damn. i need to get the video encoding script |
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| 09:21.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, Nokia replied to my MIA N950 email |
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| 09:23.44 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: they are sending another one for you? |
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| 09:24.35 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, cause I totally need another device stuck in customs |
| 09:25.06 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: what are they gonna do then? |
| 09:26.24 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, whatever they can do to get it to me |
| 09:26.27 | MohammadAG | or sue Israel I guess |
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| 09:29.32 | MohammadAG | they contacted DHL and CC'd me |
| 09:30.46 | Macer | you're in israel? |
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| 09:31.48 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 09:34.57 | Macer | damn. mencoder only uses one thread .. lame |
| 09:35.48 | Macer | israeli or palenstinian? |
| 09:36.55 | MohammadAG | the name gives a hint you know :p |
| 09:37.09 | MohammadAG | but I don't live in the Palestinian Territories |
| 09:38.25 | jaska | mossad wanted one |
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| 09:44.15 | vdv | !sysroot |
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| 09:50.15 | jonwil | ok, I have a 1.25ltr bottle of Coca-Cola, some really nice dark chocolate, a nice long todo list and nothing else going on tonight. Tonight I do N900 hacking like I have never done before :) |
| 09:51.45 | jonwil | I am going to continue my work on the N900 vkb stuff, investigate the osso-backup encrypted backup format and look into all the closed source browser plugins and add-ins currently installed on my N900 (nokia maps, media player etc) |
| 09:52.09 | tramp | MohammadAG: Why are they holding your phone? Suspected spying? |
| 09:52.50 | MohammadAG | tramp, nope, they're just being retarded |
| 09:53.05 | MohammadAG | there's no reason, they say it's going to be released tomorrow everday |
| 09:53.11 | MohammadAG | they've been saying that for a month now |
| 09:53.13 | jonwil | I am also going to look at the Nokia Maps HTML (in conjunction with the plugins) and see if its possible to write some code and HTML/JS to render Google Transit GTFS data (such as that put out by my local transit operator) in Nokia Maps |
| 09:54.46 | jonwil | I may end up pulling an all-nighter on this one :P |
| 09:55.09 | tramp | Macer: I don't know about gvoice, but Conversations and Contacts saves battery when away by not querying the server. |
| 09:56.59 | tramp | MohammadAG: Maybe they found your unusual porno collection |
| 09:57.20 | MohammadAG | tramp, on a new device? Nokia ships that? cool |
| 09:58.00 | tramp | Only if personally requested. |
| 09:58.52 | tramp | ;) |
| 09:59.22 | tramp | jonwil: Did you have any luck reversing those functions? |
| 09:59.40 | tramp | *function prototypes |
| 10:00.28 | tramp | jp MohammadAG, so you're from Israel? |
| 10:00.39 | MohammadAG | yeah |
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| 10:00.57 | jonwil | Still working on the libimlayout stuff |
| 10:01.06 | tramp | How is it going over there? |
| 10:01.43 | MohammadAG | same as always, not as bad as the media shows it |
| 10:01.52 | MohammadAG | at least in Israeli parts, I'm in Haifa, uni dorms |
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| 10:03.56 | tramp | MohammadAG: Cool, what is up with what I hear about USA policy changing with Israel? |
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| 10:05.25 | tramp | From what I gather we've always been tight, but our administration is getting complacent |
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| 10:05.36 | tramp | ...now |
| 10:06.37 | jonwil | I think there is a lot of pressure from Arab countries and others against Israel and the US to meet Palestine in the middle and accept that a 100% independent Palestine is the only viable outcome of the peace process |
| 10:08.01 | tramp | 100% independent? Does Israel threaten their independence? |
| 10:08.17 | jonwil | They are not independent right now |
| 10:08.22 | jonwil | They are fighting for statehood |
| 10:08.44 | petteri | maybe stay on topic here |
| 10:09.13 | Macer | tramp: so... it stops polling? |
| 10:09.31 | Macer | that sucks. for that you should just disconnect |
| 10:09.44 | Macer | if it doesnt poll for new txts |
| 10:09.51 | tramp | Macer: no |
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| 10:10.37 | tramp | Macer: Sometimes i want to be online while saving as much batt as possoble |
| 10:11.04 | tramp | when im 'Away' that means dont text me :) |
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| 10:12.51 | tramp | MohammadAG: Well I'll to look into more but I'm sure it's bs |
| 10:13.29 | MohammadAG | look into what? |
| 10:14.05 | Macer | tramp: maybe if away changed the polling |
| 10:14.07 | tramp | Palestinian independence |
| 10:14.11 | Macer | that might be better |
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| 10:14.30 | Macer | ie: change it from 1 min to once an hour when "away" |
| 10:14.33 | MohammadAG | it's not indepdant right now |
| 10:14.35 | tramp | and why they want it |
| 10:15.31 | tramp | once and hour or 30 minutes would be good |
| 10:15.49 | Macer | MohammadAG: lol! |
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| 10:16.02 | Macer | sorry.. didnt see that. yeah. figured palenstine |
| 10:16.40 | Macer | hey.. you never know.. a jew could name their child mohammad some day |
| 10:17.05 | tramp | huh? |
| 10:17.22 | Macer | earlier.. i asked where he was in israel |
| 10:17.25 | psycho_oreos | I've heard Mohammad is a very common name in Arabic countries. Much like the name John is in the western world :þ |
| 10:17.29 | Macer | and i asked him just because his name |
| 10:17.36 | tramp | is palestine jewish? |
| 10:17.40 | Macer | psycho_oreos: very common is an understatement |
| 10:17.42 | Macer | no |
| 10:17.44 | Macer | muslim |
| 10:17.52 | Macer | usually :) |
| 10:18.10 | psycho_oreos | Macer, not really, its simplified |
| 10:18.38 | Macer | that is like the name David amongst the jews |
| 10:19.01 | HaXeri | Israeli is jewish |
| 10:19.06 | HaXeri | others are Muslim |
| 10:19.09 | Macer | HaXeri: not really |
| 10:19.17 | tramp | or the name Macer among nuisances |
| 10:19.21 | Macer | i am sure you don't HAVE to be a jew to live in israel |
| 10:19.36 | Macer | there might be a few christians here and there |
| 10:19.39 | HaXeri | yes there are also christian |
| 10:19.49 | Macer | judaism is a religion not a race |
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| 10:20.03 | tramp | there are christians everywhere, even in korea |
| 10:20.04 | Macer | i never understood that about people referring israelis as "jews" |
| 10:20.20 | Macer | granted the majority of the population is jewish.. but not all of it |
| 10:20.23 | tramp | well...korean prisons and execution lines |
| 10:20.27 | Macer | it would be like the world calling americans christians |
| 10:20.33 | Macer | just because the majority of americans are christian |
| 10:20.44 | Macer | tramp: only north america |
| 10:20.47 | Macer | er |
| 10:20.48 | Macer | korea |
| 10:20.52 | Macer | freudian slip |
| 10:21.12 | HaXeri | korea is the best q:D and nihon |
| 10:21.19 | psycho_oreos | You know, we should start renaming this channel #chat |
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| 10:21.28 | Macer | that's so cool.. i ghave been using my bluetooth keyboard on my n900 this entire time |
| 10:21.28 | tramp | thanks, i didnt want to type that on this little kbd |
| 10:21.35 | Macer | for some reason it seems to work perfect on the n900 |
| 10:21.51 | Macer | ont he n810 it had some wierd repeat problem |
| 10:22.08 | Macer | oh wow... it doesn't repeat at all lol.. i guess that is a good way to fix it |
| 10:22.11 | tramp | if i had a bt kbd id use it all the time |
| 10:22.11 | HaXeri | 3>2011 >uses n810 |
| 10:22.26 | tramp | i have usb, so cant use while charging |
| 10:22.26 | Macer | i still have my n810 |
| 10:22.45 | Macer | when i order my synology diskstation i am getting a mini sd adapter for it and turning it into a low power server |
| 10:23.00 | Macer | i was hoping to use debian if i can get it to run on the thing bare metal |
| 10:23.10 | Macer | i don't want to use a maemo chroot |
| 10:23.21 | HaXeri | what are you going to do with a low power server? |
| 10:23.31 | Macer | named.. shells.. irssi |
| 10:23.32 | HaXeri | VPS costs ~11£ |
| 10:24.01 | HaXeri | *VPN |
| 10:24.06 | tramp | jonwil: You can paste me the dasm and i can look at that |
| 10:24.16 | Macer | it's for the home |
| 10:24.25 | HaXeri | only reason yo have a homeserver would be survelliance system or warez |
| 10:24.28 | Macer | i am replacing a huge server with a synology and an n810 |
| 10:24.40 | Macer | or a home office :-P |
| 10:24.50 | Macer | with numerous clients and employees connecting to it |
| 10:24.51 | Macer | lol |
| 10:25.14 | tramp | Anyone know of a better app than DocsToGo for viewing Excel xls files |
| 10:25.19 | Macer | i want to eliminate the power whore of a server tho tha eats up 300W constantly |
| 10:25.42 | Macer | and replace it with a synology that uses 30W max but still provides the same amount of space |
| 10:25.58 | Macer | usign 4x3TB vs 8x1TB |
| 10:26.04 | Macer | using |
| 10:26.19 | Sicelo | tramp: gnumeric. or Oo if u have Easy Debian |
| 10:26.40 | Macer | i never did get cups workign on the n900 |
| 10:26.43 | Macer | that is the only thing missing |
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| 10:26.45 | tramp | derp Oo ofc |
| 10:26.56 | Macer | cups and abiword and gnumeric that can print directly |
| 10:26.59 | tramp | is gnumeric faster than Oo? |
| 10:27.15 | Macer | yes |
| 10:28.01 | tramp | Oo is great for power, but i need a faster app for most tasks |
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| 10:28.35 | Macer | i've never used a chroot on the n900 but i am sure it still runs like shit :) |
| 10:29.03 | tramp | i was about to figure out how to print arbitrarily from the cli and then i bricked it |
| 10:29.19 | tramp | chroot runs great |
| 10:29.30 | Macer | you bricked it?? |
| 10:29.30 | tramp | Oo is slow on its own |
| 10:29.54 | Macer | fair point |
| 10:29.57 | tramp | Macer: I did something unrelated and had to reflash |
| 10:30.08 | Macer | oh |
| 10:30.21 | Macer | that's not bricking it then |
| 10:30.40 | tramp | couldnt think of another 5 letter word |
| 10:31.01 | tramp | all this tapping hurts |
| 10:31.02 | Macer | broke |
| 10:31.11 | Macer | tapping? |
| 10:31.22 | tramp | brick was more specific |
| 10:31.32 | Macer | i wish someone would port the stylus keyboard to the n900 |
| 10:31.32 | tramp | im using the n900 kbd |
| 10:31.51 | tramp | stylus kbd? |
| 10:31.56 | Macer | at least that worked rather well... the thumb keyboard on the n900 is awful |
| 10:32.11 | psycho_oreos | vkbd I'm guessing in other words |
| 10:32.14 | tramp | whats wrong with it? |
| 10:32.16 | Macer | yes. the one frome maemo4 |
| 10:32.30 | tramp | i can type this fast with it |
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| 10:32.46 | Macer | lol.. that doesn't really show me how fast you are typing when it is just a line of txt that pops up on irc |
| 10:32.55 | tramp | it only hurts after flaming 5 or so boards |
| 10:32.58 | Macer | not to mention the fact that hitting enter on conversations makes a new line |
| 10:33.07 | tramp | hehe |
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| 10:33.08 | Macer | instead of close keyboard and send |
| 10:33.35 | Macer | so you hgave to type... then tap the top to get rid of the vkb.. then hit the send button |
| 10:33.42 | Macer | that is retarded :) |
| 10:33.59 | tramp | when i had a vkbd on droid it sucked when it wouldnt respond instantly |
| 10:34.09 | Macer | it is why the vkb on mine is perm disabled.. but then again.. now it has to be because i have it set up for my bt keyboard |
| 10:34.21 | tramp | a phys kbd always reaponds |
| 10:34.21 | Macer | so I removed KPEN from the symbols |
| 10:34.28 | Macer | so i can hit enter while the phone is closed |
| 10:35.24 | Macer | hm... let me see if i can throw a picture up somewhere... |
| 10:36.04 | tramp | i dont understand how a vkbd can be better than a phys kbd |
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| 10:40.55 | MohammadAG | anyone know what the best way of setting up internet in the car is? |
| 10:41.06 | MohammadAG | I was thinking of getting a rechargable MiFi router |
| 10:42.32 | psycho_oreos | yeah those can be easily found. I think Huawei makes those small handheld MiFi router with wireless capability and internal batteries |
| 10:43.09 | psycho_oreos | it also goes by USB -> microUSB port so if you got a ciggy lighter -> USB adapter you can charge it up as you drive along I suppose |
| 10:44.02 | MohammadAG | any ideas if I can add another ciggy lighter? |
| 10:44.05 | MohammadAG | one isn't enough :p |
| 10:44.20 | psycho_oreos | yeah you can, by buying a `hub' so to speak |
| 10:44.53 | psycho_oreos | You can get one of those ciggy lighters hub that gives you two, three or even four ciggy lighters port |
| 10:44.59 | MohammadAG | really? |
| 10:45.40 | MohammadAG | I have 2x microUSB charger |
| 10:45.46 | psycho_oreos | yup |
| 10:45.48 | MohammadAG | currently I use it to charge the iPod and N900 |
| 10:45.49 | psycho_oreos | I got one in me car, one ciggy lighter -> three ciggy lighters |
| 10:46.11 | MohammadAG | if I get a mifi router that's joikuspot gone |
| 10:46.18 | MohammadAG | but I still need GPS in the iPod |
| 10:46.32 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, mind pointing me at one? |
| 10:46.38 | tramp | why do you have both an iphone and n900? |
| 10:46.41 | psycho_oreos | two individual microUSB chargers? or one of those fancy iPad type chargers with two USB ports on it? |
| 10:46.56 | MohammadAG | iPod |
| 10:46.58 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I only know of local (.au) site but sure, lemme dig it up |
| 10:47.03 | MohammadAG | because I need its apps, mainly Waze |
| 10:47.05 | tramp | i just saw that |
| 10:47.09 | jonwil | What sort of car do you have? |
| 10:47.18 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, latter |
| 10:47.20 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/09/nokia-n900-with-nokia-su-8w/ |
| 10:47.25 | MohammadAG | jonwil, VW Golf |
| 10:47.33 | MohammadAG | '00 |
| 10:47.45 | Macer | i will finish that later when i take sscreen shots etc |
| 10:47.50 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, heh I'd love to just buy that sort of head by itself :D |
| 10:48.12 | jonwil | hates German cars :P |
| 10:48.12 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, that's how I got it |
| 10:48.13 | Macer | damn... i didn't even see if ther was a wordpress app for maemo lol |
| 10:48.18 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-Way-Car-Port-Cigarette-Socket-Adapter-Hub-USB-950-/120616202085 |
| 10:48.19 | MohammadAG | hates Japanese cars |
| 10:48.32 | MohammadAG | lovely tech, unstable on the road |
| 10:48.37 | jonwil | Can anyone suggest which of these http://pastebin.com/pfGHXMT7 I should work on first? |
| 10:49.40 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I know, but I'm in need for that sort of adapter heads. Its not handy to have 3 individual USB chargers for 3 N900 for instance when I want to plug things like GTech Pro and maybe even my old phone |
| 10:49.48 | Macer | omg |
| 10:50.01 | Macer | is that.. an actual official wordpress app for maemo ? :) |
| 10:50.35 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, I'd personally vote for number 3 on that list. I could imagine that would go off with a hit if you do succeed. |
| 10:51.13 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, http://www.myinnergie.com/mCubeDC10/Default.aspx |
| 10:51.15 | Macer | i agree |
| 10:51.30 | Macer | having a google maps supported nav app for maemo would be great |
| 10:51.39 | MohammadAG | iPod cable not included, so you're safe :p |
| 10:51.46 | Macer | considering ovi maps is so absolutely horrible.. i still can't figure out how to use it |
| 10:51.47 | MohammadAG | Macer, ++ |
| 10:51.58 | MohammadAG | Mappero's good for routing, not sure about navi |
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| 10:52.11 | MohammadAG | the iPhone app is awesome, no turn by turn so you have to keep looking |
| 10:52.13 | Macer | i have been trying to figure out forever how to use ovimaps |
| 10:52.20 | MohammadAG | Waze is perfect for me |
| 10:52.30 | MohammadAG | I wish they'd make a maemo/meego version |
| 10:52.44 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, 10W?!?!? holy #&$*%$@!! I might as well hook a hub off one of those port and have 3 N900 plus N95-1 on that same hub lol. Thanks for the link :D Also did you check my link before? |
| 10:53.13 | psycho_oreos | and I also personally own an iPod as well, it was me dad's gift lol |
| 10:53.34 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 10:53.45 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, yeah, I'm not sure where to put it in the golf though |
| 10:53.48 | jonwil | I think I will finish some testing for #1 to finish the libimlayout stuff if I can, then I will work on reverse engineering browser stuff |
| 10:53.49 | psycho_oreos | old iPod mind you, 5.5G (video) |
| 10:53.57 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, hmm do you have something like a glove box? |
| 10:54.13 | MohammadAG | yeah, but cables won't go in that I guess |
| 10:54.20 | MohammadAG | oh, from the back |
| 10:54.24 | psycho_oreos | nah I'd have cables hanging out |
| 10:54.31 | psycho_oreos | well yeah if you drilled a hole :D |
| 10:54.34 | MohammadAG | makes the car look ugly :p |
| 10:54.48 | jonwil | thinks any car named after a sport THAT boring cant be very good :P |
| 10:54.53 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, libimlayout? lemme guess IM messaging like conversations? just curiously |
| 10:55.05 | jonwil | no, im stands for input method |
| 10:55.08 | MohammadAG | I hated the golf before I got my licesne, loved mazdas |
| 10:55.15 | psycho_oreos | well it'd make the car look ugly but *shrugs* hey at least its functional :D |
| 10:55.16 | jonwil | its used to decode the virtual keyboard layout files |
| 10:55.19 | MohammadAG | then I drove one, it slipped at 60-70kmph |
| 10:55.22 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, ahh |
| 10:55.23 | tramp | jonwil: I haven't tried the opera browser yet, but if it's no good I wish the nokia browser was better |
| 10:55.37 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, which mazda was it just out of curiousity? |
| 10:55.37 | MohammadAG | the golf can easily do a turn at 130kmph without a slip |
| 10:55.45 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, Mazda 3 2011 |
| 10:56.01 | MohammadAG | a rental |
| 10:56.05 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, eww *shudders* both front wheelers. Spineless cars :D |
| 10:56.13 | psycho_oreos | << abhors front wheelers |
| 10:56.39 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 10:56.45 | MohammadAG | I just love driving the golf |
| 10:56.48 | jonwil | I dont see a reason why it wouldn't be possible to bring a new Gecko version into the N900 MicroB if someone with Gecko knowledge was willing to put in the effort |
| 10:57.17 | psycho_oreos | bets timeless probably would but heck, he's not even here let alone probably would care ;) |
| 10:57.19 | jonwil | this http://images-2.drive.com.au/2010/08/04/1745073/Holden_ute_SS-V_m_m.jpg is my dream car |
| 10:57.32 | psycho_oreos | VE :) |
| 10:57.47 | jonwil | That or something really fast and british or italian |
| 10:59.33 | jonwil | Actually, the ultimate car I have seen is a one-off custom job someone did (cant find a picture right now) where they took a partially damaged Jaguar XJ and turned it into a UTE |
| 10:59.40 | jonwil | THAT would be the ultimate car |
| 11:00.22 | tramp | jonwil: It might be helpful if it listed the benefits of each item |
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| 11:00.47 | MohammadAG | Golf GTI would be my car, if I had the money for it |
| 11:01.11 | MohammadAG | British cars suck, just watch top gear :p |
| 11:01.34 | tramp | Some of the items we canned automatically just bc we dont know the benefit |
| 11:01.57 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, so you think a hub can be used on that adapter? |
| 11:02.21 | MohammadAG | I must admit the iPod charges quick on it |
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| 11:02.29 | MohammadAG | the N900 otoh... |
| 11:02.31 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I you meant USB hubs or that ciggy lighter hub? |
| 11:02.38 | MohammadAG | the 10W one |
| 11:02.58 | tramp | In fact, I raise a request to rewrite the list and link the items to benefits |
| 11:03.57 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I think it might. Though I'd personally ask the seller how much can the hub actually output. You wouldn't want to hook too many things up if it has small wires interconnecting between the two things |
| 11:05.27 | vdv | is there any default password for "user" user on maemo? i'm trying to ssh as user, but it asks a passwd |
| 11:05.41 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 11:05.55 | tramp | psycho_oreos: Just look at the hubs amp rating |
| 11:05.56 | psycho_oreos | http://www.autoline.com.au/photo.wsvc?size=800&pid=1&vid=1490169 <--- Fyi, my current ride except mine is blue |
| 11:06.09 | tramp | psycho_oreos: Or wattage |
| 11:06.16 | jonwil | Nice one psyco_oreos |
| 11:06.29 | jonwil | my brother has a VY SS in white |
| 11:06.33 | jonwil | :) |
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| 11:07.03 | psycho_oreos | tramp, doesn't say for the ciggy lighter sockets though. Only says amps for USB |
| 11:07.17 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, heh thanks :D gotta love utes :D |
| 11:07.36 | vdv | is it safe to set a password for "user" user? |
| 11:07.46 | tramp | :/ i hate that. i thought it was regulation too |
| 11:08.09 | psycho_oreos | vdv, there's no passwd for user, in other words you can't login as user without setting passwd on the account first as root |
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| 11:08.30 | psycho_oreos | vdv, ah well, its up to you for setting user's passwd as user. Personally I wouldn't |
| 11:08.59 | psycho_oreos | tramp, heh I guess it varies from countries to countries. Then again it wouldn't hurt to ask the seller afterall before buying |
| 11:09.03 | tramp | vdv: why cant you use key login? |
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| 11:10.01 | tramp | psycho_oreos: lol yeah |
| 11:10.46 | vdv | i've installed an app (i've packaged it myself), but binary runs only from terminal and only as root |
| 11:10.59 | vdv | if run it as user it says nothing on terminal |
| 11:11.07 | vdv | and gui window doesn't appear |
| 11:11.09 | psycho_oreos | suid it? |
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| 11:11.45 | vdv | there's no "access denied" or so message |
| 11:11.54 | vdv | main window just doesn't appear |
| 11:11.58 | tramp | does it req root? |
| 11:12.10 | tramp | what is the app? |
| 11:12.17 | vdv | qstardict |
| 11:12.18 | psycho_oreos | custom made app |
| 11:12.28 | vdv | no, root is not required |
| 11:12.50 | psycho_oreos | vdv, hmm I must have misread, thought you said it needs root |
| 11:13.08 | vdv | nope |
| 11:13.18 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, huwaei or ZTE? |
| 11:13.30 | tramp | i love n900 multitasking. i dont see why ppl complain that the hardware isnt as new as some other phones. Im running 8 apps right now seemlessly, can the uPhone do that? |
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| 11:14.16 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I'm pretty sure its called Huawei, the one me brother got. Locally they've been branded as vodaphone mifi, but me brother's is 3 mifi (and he bought it from China) |
| 11:14.25 | tramp | vdv: does it return you to the prompt immediately |
| 11:14.44 | psycho_oreos | tramp, I guess people's mileage may vary :) |
| 11:14.54 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, ZTE is another manufacturer, I thought you had experience with both and knew which is best :p |
| 11:15.07 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, haha I'm afraid not |
| 11:15.17 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, do they have a site? |
| 11:15.23 | tramp | psycho_oreos: mileage? |
| 11:15.38 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, huawei's? or the seller site with that product for instance? |
| 11:16.31 | MohammadAG | huawei |
| 11:16.57 | psycho_oreos | tramp, like people use their device for various means. Some may play games all day. Some may listen to music all day etc.. Some does debugging.. all these could heavily influence the device's capability to multitask. Then again there's loads of impatient people out there that couldn't even spare maybe three seconds before declaring the device as bloat, slow, sluggish, etc |
| 11:17.14 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah huawei does have manufacturer site, hang on lemme see if I can find it |
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| 11:17.56 | tramp | vdv: you could have packaged it wrong and it cant find a file it expects to find. that would be an unusual scenario the developer might not have prepared for |
| 11:18.05 | woldrich | the n900 is pretty slow when playing 720p porn and having 2 sessions of angry birds running |
| 11:18.14 | woldrich | s/porn/action movie/ |
| 11:18.34 | psycho_oreos | http://www.huawei.com/en/, that's their site. http://www.snphones.com.au/inc/sdetail/292/668 that's a reseller with that mifi I was referring to |
| 11:19.03 | tramp | woldrich: Why would you watch porn while you're playing angry birds? |
| 11:19.15 | woldrich | tramp, multitasking! |
| 11:19.29 | tramp | and can the iPhone even do that? |
| 11:19.34 | woldrich | exactly :p |
| 11:19.38 | tramp | :) |
| 11:19.58 | tramp | heh |
| 11:20.07 | tramp | Yeah! |
| 11:20.49 | tramp | so they spend $800 or w/e on a cpu that sits at idle most of the time running their one app |
| 11:21.13 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, this is the one my operator sells http://www.modem3g.com/zte-mf60-mobile-hotspot.html |
| 11:23.21 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, is it just me or does that one not have a screen at all to show you statuses? :) Then again huawei doesn't seem to support microSDHC expansion either. So its a bit of compromise |
| 11:23.39 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, OLED actually |
| 11:23.41 | tramp | while im constantly tabbing out of irssi to install gnumeric, open a profit/loss spreadsheet, while i have articles open in a browser |
| 11:23.44 | MohammadAG | what's the expansion for? |
| 11:24.15 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, also I personally don't like to deal with router/AP devices that I cannot install openwrt for instance on. I have a much older huawei 3G router that I'm using (D100) and every moment of it I personally loathe |
| 11:24.27 | tramp | and word processors |
| 11:24.40 | tramp | two |
| 11:24.52 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ahh touchscreen I suppose? maybe not *shrugs*. The expansion for memory storage, maybe you could plug it in via USB to computer and make it act like a flash drive |
| 11:25.02 | tramp | (vim though XD) |
| 11:25.22 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, no use there, it's gonna sit in the car somewhere |
| 11:25.26 | psycho_oreos | dunno what else you can do with it if for instance you can't install openwrt.. then again it might come with built-in download manager so you can make it download to that microSD |
| 11:25.38 | MohammadAG | either on the windshield (top right, somehow) or under the car seat if it gets a signal there |
| 11:26.03 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, *nods* then again I suppose that ZTE spec-wise is better. Again I don't have experience with either of these devices |
| 11:26.15 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
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| 11:26.43 | MohammadAG | I wonder if it charges via any generic USB |
| 11:26.45 | psycho_oreos | windshield would probably give it some better chance imo for picking up signals. Then again it'll be out in the sun :D |
| 11:26.48 | MohammadAG | then I could use my pioneer stereo |
| 11:27.13 | RST38h | Moo, Mohammad, how is life? Have you liberated your N950 ? |
| 11:27.14 | MohammadAG | I use AUX for sound anyway |
| 11:27.19 | psycho_oreos | not sure, it might. I think N900 is the only most pickiest device I've come across |
| 11:27.59 | MohammadAG | true, it works with the 10W one |
| 11:28.09 | MohammadAG | and it doesn't pop the mass storage/PC Suite dialog with it |
| 11:28.27 | MohammadAG | RST38h, moo, no, but Nokia's contacting DHL/Israel about it |
| 11:28.38 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing there's some sort of IC chip that talks to N900 saying that it is hi-powered or whatever |
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| 11:29.15 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, FYI |
| 11:29.20 | MohammadAG | the N900 charges from my car stereo |
| 11:29.24 | MohammadAG | the iPod doesn't |
| 11:29.27 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 11:29.29 | MohammadAG | so the N900 isn't the pickiest |
| 11:30.04 | psycho_oreos | though I have tried charging my N900 with two external battery packs with no dice |
| 11:30.33 | MohammadAG | you'll need to short D+/D- |
| 11:30.45 | MohammadAG | since the stereo's USB is for data I guess that's already done |
| 11:31.45 | psycho_oreos | first one was nokia dc-10, and the latter one was generic 18650 battery to USB power pack. |
| 11:32.20 | psycho_oreos | heh I don't have head deck in me car, I pulled the old useless sony junk that was in there |
| 11:34.42 | tramp | how do you change pages in gnumeric? |
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| 11:53.34 | jonwil | cool, Simpsons is sending up Avatar |
| 11:56.41 | jonwil | hmmm, aparently Adobe has abandoned work on Flash Player Mobile |
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| 12:11.09 | jonwil | ok, just about finished the vkb work for now, just writing a program to dump all the stock keyboard files and see if any of em have features the US keyboard file does not |
| 12:11.32 | jonwil | wonders what es_MX is for |
| 12:11.37 | jonwil | I know es_ES is spanish |
| 12:11.45 | psycho_oreos | mexican spanish |
| 12:11.55 | jonwil | yeah makes sense |
| 12:12.20 | psycho_oreos | afaik it goes by ccTLD in the letters written by caps |
| 12:13.19 | psycho_oreos | s/by/in/ |
| 12:13.40 | psycho_oreos | facepalms self |
| 12:13.49 | psycho_oreos | s/by caps/in caps/ |
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| 12:27.21 | cityLights | did mohammadAG get his N950? |
| 12:27.36 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 12:28.45 | cityLights | where to ask about dns resolving in maemo? |
| 12:28.54 | cityLights | I see dnsmasq is used |
| 12:29.12 | psycho_oreos | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:29.21 | cityLights | and a script to create /var/run/resolv files for each device |
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| 12:41.39 | jonwil | Almost finished my analysis of the N900 vkb files :) |
| 12:42.55 | jonwil | so far nothing seems out of the ordnery |
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| 12:46.02 | ruskie | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/09/adobe_job_cuts/ |
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| 12:46.12 | woldrich | jonwil, what's that? |
| 12:46.30 | jonwil | vkb files are for the virtual keyboard |
| 12:46.33 | woldrich | ah |
| 12:47.39 | jonwil | a little bit more work and I will have enough info to let you use libimlayout.so.0 |
| 12:47.58 | jonwil | which is the lib that loads the vkb files |
| 12:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: no, resolv.conf is always 127.0.0.1 on dnsmasq systems |
| 12:50.09 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, well yeah except for the fact that /etc/resolv.conf can get overwritten though |
| 12:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah *you* on N900 |
| 12:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 12:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah *you* can overwrite it and mess up the whole DNS on N900 |
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| 12:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | shoots this laptop touchpad |
| 12:51.34 | ruskie | lol |
| 12:51.50 | psycho_oreos | points to openvpn being a culprit at one stage |
| 12:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | man dnsmasq |
| 12:53.58 | psycho_oreos | digs up that thread about openvpn being a culprit lol |
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| 12:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | man dnsmasq | less +' In order to configure dnsmasq to act as cache for the host on which it is running, put "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf to force local processes to send queries to dnsmasq.' |
| 12:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | s-'/..' even |
| 12:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 12:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | less +'/In order to con' |
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| 13:21.01 | Macer | damn895 |
| 13:21.06 | Macer | damnit |
| 13:21.11 | Macer | this amzer case doesn't fit properly |
| 13:21.15 | Macer | i have to send it back to amazon |
| 13:21.22 | Macer | and the damn thing is broken where a speaker is |
| 13:21.31 | Macer | i'm never going to find a good case for my n900 |
| 13:21.35 | Macer | i can't find an otterbox |
| 13:22.31 | Macer | now my n900 is wandering about wiht no condom on |
| 13:22.39 | Macer | it is going to catch the aids |
| 13:22.49 | maybeWTF | hearing aids? |
| 13:22.52 | woldrich | but you might get another, smaller, lighter n900 |
| 13:22.57 | woldrich | totally worth it |
| 13:23.57 | Macer | huh? |
| 13:24.04 | Macer | no .. i need a cover for it |
| 13:24.12 | Macer | that lets me slide the keygboard open |
| 13:24.32 | Macer | since my bluetooth keyboard works on it maybe i will get a boxwave armor case for it |
| 13:24.35 | Macer | can't go wrong witht hat |
| 13:25.31 | jonwil | ok, good, I think I now understand all the features used by the N900 vkb files |
| 13:26.15 | Macer | jonwil: you knopw a good n900 accessories site that doessn't suck? |
| 13:26.19 | jonwil | nope |
| 13:26.31 | jonwil | The only N900 accessory I have is a clear plastic case |
| 13:26.37 | jonwil | and that was purchased locally |
| 13:26.49 | Macer | yeah. that is what i got too |
| 13:26.53 | Macer | an amzer clear plastic case |
| 13:26.58 | Macer | from amazon.. and it didn't clip on correctly |
| 13:26.59 | jonwil | Its basically 2 pieces of plastic, one of which fits around the bottom half of the phone and has a hole for the camera and stuff |
| 13:27.01 | Macer | made in china |
| 13:27.14 | Macer | same thing here |
| 13:27.15 | jonwil | and then a small rectangle for the top half of the phone |
| 13:27.18 | jonwil | that surrounds the touchscreen |
| 13:27.23 | Macer | yeah |
| 13:27.29 | Macer | i got the same exact type .. but it didn't fit |
| 13:27.34 | Macer | one of the clips didn't clip on correctly |
| 13:27.41 | jonwil | If I saw one, I would buy another because my current one is partially broken |
| 13:27.43 | Macer | then when i pulled it off.. the speaker section snapped |
| 13:27.49 | Macer | i am sending it back to amazon |
| 13:28.38 | woldrich | this bitch is all you need http://i.japh.se/_photo/n900_gamegripper.jpg |
| 13:31.07 | Macer | worldi saw that |
| 13:31.08 | Macer | meh |
| 13:31.22 | Macer | there aren't any good games for the n900 |
| 13:31.34 | woldrich | sdlmame! |
| 13:31.39 | Macer | haha |
| 13:31.49 | Macer | well.. i would probably play the neogeo emulator before anything |
| 13:31.52 | Macer | just for samurai showdown |
| 13:32.00 | Macer | iv |
| 13:32.02 | woldrich | you should try pacmanf |
| 13:32.06 | woldrich | and mrdo |
| 13:32.16 | woldrich | neo mr do is also cool |
| 13:32.18 | Macer | i need a case first |
| 13:32.19 | Macer | lol |
| 13:32.49 | Macer | i have to go to the PO and ship this broken piece ocf non fitting made in china shit back |
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| 13:51.05 | jonwil | I do believe I now have the first ever complete documentation of the .vkb files as it pertains to the N900 |
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| 13:52.15 | jonwil | The document I have covers everything I can see the n900 libs dealing with |
| 13:52.29 | jonwil | and all the features that are known to exist in the .vkb files but which the libs dont actually support |
| 13:52.42 | jonwil | or that arent used in the stock .vkb files |
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| 13:56.10 | jonwil | well the stock .vkb files that I have on my own phone |
| 13:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that's great |
| 14:00.21 | jonwil | anyone know if its possible to get the rootfs out of a "combined" image, I want to see if any of the images other than "global" have any other bits related to hildon-input-method that may impact my work |
| 14:01.07 | jonwil | currently downloading all 5 versions of the n900 rootfs image |
| 14:01.22 | jonwil | oh wait I think the flasher program can do something with these files |
| 14:03.45 | jonwil | wow, I am really pushing my ADSL2+ connection to its limits with these downloads |
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| 14:17.00 | Macer | blah |
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| 14:17.13 | Macer | i sure wish the gvoice txting worked a little better |
| 14:17.25 | Macer | there are all types of issues with it |
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| 14:31.01 | SpeedEvil | Argh - stupid side-effects. |
| 14:31.43 | SpeedEvil | Because I sent my n900 off to nokia to get fixed (or as the cae actually was - replaced withan e7), my regular alarm for tuesdays diddn't go off, so I forgot to put out the bin. |
| 14:31.45 | SpeedEvil | (s) |
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| 14:34.44 | jonwil | hopes is N900 never breaks |
| 14:37.44 | joga | SpeedEvil whoa...you got alarms for chores? |
| 14:37.50 | joga | feels like a slob now |
| 14:38.20 | SpeedEvil | joga: I otherwise totally forget, and the bin gets full. |
| 14:38.40 | joga | mine gets full and stays that way until I start giving a shit |
| 14:38.41 | joga | ;) |
| 14:39.01 | SpeedEvil | I mean the outside bin. |
| 14:39.10 | SpeedEvil | It's only emptied once every two weeks. |
| 14:39.29 | joga | I don't handle the outside bins myself...I just take out the trash :) |
| 14:39.53 | SpeedEvil | I have to push it 30m up to the end of the road. |
| 14:40.09 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: I need help with dnsmasq |
| 14:40.28 | SpeedEvil | cityLights: why? |
| 14:40.49 | cityLights | after I oad openvpn I generate /var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 |
| 14:41.12 | cityLights | I also add a line with this path to /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 14:41.33 | cityLights | yet the nameservers there are not used |
| 14:41.45 | cityLights | even after pkill -HUP dnsmasq |
| 14:41.50 | cityLights | how to fix? |
| 14:42.15 | SpeedEvil | Do they work for ping? |
| 14:42.30 | cityLights | yes |
| 14:43.03 | jonwil | ok, now I think I got all the bits I need in order for my kernel to be able to read the maemo jffs2 flash files |
| 14:43.13 | cityLights | grep tun0 /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 14:43.13 | cityLights | resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0 |
| 14:44.31 | cityLights | issue is that dnsmasq runs like this: |
| 14:44.33 | cityLights | /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z |
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| 14:54.00 | Gizmokid2005 | frals: ping? |
| 15:03.29 | jonwil | bah, nothing I do will get these rootfs images to unpack :( |
| 15:04.04 | SpeedEvil | Argh |
| 15:04.12 | SpeedEvil | My n900 images are offline, or I'd have a play. |
| 15:04.16 | SpeedEvil | Maybe search tmp? |
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| 15:05.48 | SpeedEvil | tmo |
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| 15:10.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | cityLights: I'd love to help, alas I'm abroad |
| 15:10.48 | cityLights | so who can help me? |
| 15:11.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | wait another 1 2h, I'll be back home |
| 15:11.56 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by 'doesn't work'. |
| 15:12.12 | SpeedEvil | If many of the inbuilt connections think there is no connection, tehy wo't do anything. |
| 15:12.18 | SpeedEvil | This is no tth eproblem of DNS |
| 15:12.25 | SpeedEvil | They check firt to see if it's online. |
| 15:12.30 | SpeedEvil | First. |
| 15:13.47 | jonwil | ok, looks like its a ubifs filesystem and not a jffs2 filesystem despite the filename |
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| 15:13.58 | jonwil | which means I need to hope gentoo can give me the right bits to mount those |
| 15:14.07 | jonwil | so far it seems to be doing so |
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| 15:14.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: yes ubi |
| 15:14.42 | cityLights | I mean I can't ping a hostname known to the tun0 name server |
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| 15:17.57 | jonwil | aha, its mtd-utils I need to emerge :) |
| 15:19.23 | jonwil | of all the filesystems known to man, ubi is the hardest I have ever had to work with |
| 15:19.38 | jonwil | but I guess thats because its raw bytes to be fed to a flash chip |
| 15:19.47 | jonwil | with filesystem data on top of that |
| 15:20.04 | jonwil | so its a pain because it has to do stuff that is normally done by the hardware on e.g. a USB key or other similar setup |
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| 15:22.51 | vdv | hi all |
| 15:24.09 | vdv | maybe somebody knows, i'm looking for some doc, tutorial with guidlines on making guis for mobile devices, i.e. guis that are usable on small screens |
| 15:24.28 | vdv | *guidelines |
| 15:25.37 | Macer | well.. i doubt you will find much help here |
| 15:25.44 | Macer | hildon is mostly closed |
| 15:26.22 | neal | macer: hildon is largely open |
| 15:26.36 | neal | macer: what parts do you think are closed? |
| 15:27.59 | Macer | well... applets |
| 15:28.02 | Macer | :) |
| 15:28.14 | kerio | hmm, applets :Q___ |
| 15:28.22 | neal | macer: I wouldn't describe that as hildon |
| 15:28.36 | neal | of course, the piece to use the applets is open |
| 15:28.52 | neal | so if you write your own applet, it can be "open" |
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| 15:36.40 | jonwil | ok, so far so good, now it complains that ubifs is not a valid file type. Looks like I need more kernel modules... |
| 15:38.07 | jonwil | aha, I have the ubi module but not the ubifs module |
| 15:38.22 | jonwil | so many kernel modules needed to mount a simple file system :( |
| 15:39.39 | vdv | i need some help with qt gui development |
| 15:39.54 | vdv | i'll ask better at #qt |
| 15:45.53 | SpeedEvil | you need a block->mtd emulator IIRC |
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| 16:00.36 | jonwil | I got all the bits mounted now |
| 16:00.40 | jonwil | and I got the files I wanted |
| 16:01.01 | jonwil | and I can see that there is no extra vkb files in any of the regional images |
| 16:01.08 | jonwil | in all cases the packages for vkb files are the same |
| 16:01.33 | jonwil | I expected there might have been special vkb files for e.g. the middle east version (hebrew maybe) |
| 16:01.52 | jonwil | wonders if there was ever a N900 with a chinese firmware and if so where he can get the rootfs image to play with |
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| 16:07.36 | Estel_ | Hello there. |
| 16:08.01 | Estel_ | Is there a chance, that any knowledgable one here know what causes this issue? |
| 16:08.03 | Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1119820&postcount=723 |
| 16:09.52 | Macer | wtf |
| 16:10.19 | Macer | tha advanced power meter says i have a 85.3% charge |
| 16:10.35 | Macer | but the battery widget says 50 |
| 16:10.41 | Macer | wth is going on? |
| 16:11.45 | Macer | battery eye agrees with the widget. is advanced power miscalculated or something? |
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| 16:22.05 | jonwil | ok, so I finally know what is different in the different images of PR1.3 |
| 16:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: iirc the PR1.2-leaked was the HK version or sth like that |
| 16:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | so should have been cn_HK or sth |
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| 16:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: I dunno what any of those does, but I know there's only one way to get hw info about charge state - from bq27200 chip via i2cget. the bq27x00.ko module as found for PK is fsckdup and deprecated, and usually all those battery state widgets basically rely on lshal results and in turn on bme-guesswork |
| 16:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: either http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2 or shadowjk's version of that shellscript that doesn't need bash. Both need i2ctools installed |
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| 16:41.20 | Macer | i see |
| 16:41.45 | Macer | hm |
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| 16:43.25 | Macer | i was using the alternate bme for some odd reason. |
| 16:43.45 | Macer | swapping it to nokia bme seems to have made them the same |
| 16:44.12 | Macer | but it was weird when my phone went almost dead alarm and the applet said i had 25% |
| 16:47.03 | Macer | i am getting a 2:1 use:âcharge ratio |
| 16:47.08 | jonwil | ok, I cant find any evidence that there is some sort of hongkong or chinese specific keyboard files, if there are they are not in any image I can find |
| 16:47.13 | Macer | use:charge |
| 16:47.15 | jonwil | including the so-called "leaked PR1.2" |
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| 16:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 16:57.03 | Estel_ | Macer, You were using bme, not bme alternative, cause there is nothing like that |
| 16:57.16 | Estel_ | bme alternative *method* is pulling data from bme |
| 16:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, I wondered what that means |
| 16:57.32 | Estel_ | and using more sane voltage->capacity calculations |
| 16:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | eh??? |
| 16:57.58 | Estel_ | i.e it is alternative diagram of correlation between voltage and capacity |
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| 16:58.21 | Estel_ | stock bme calculate capacity from average voltage in time, using linear function |
| 16:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, some of those battery "tools" do their own U->C tables? |
| 16:58.41 | Estel_ | in reality, it's not linear |
| 16:58.50 | Estel_ | yes, DocScrutinize |
| 16:59.01 | SpeedEvil | Estel_: Are you sure it's linear? |
| 16:59.03 | DocScrutinizer | pretty insane |
| 16:59.09 | SpeedEvil | Capacity is _not_ real capacity. |
| 16:59.14 | Estel_ | true. |
| 16:59.53 | SpeedEvil | The 'right' measure of capacity is something like 'reserve capacity under which under no circumstances will the cellmo reset due to undervoltage' |
| 16:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | and - honestly - I dare to say *nobody* knows what bme does to guestimate battery remaining capacity |
| 17:00.01 | Estel_ | dr_frost_dk created own U->C tables, based on discharge tests, but it got one flaw |
| 17:00.30 | Estel_ | dr_frosts's tables dont use average voltage |
| 17:00.31 | SpeedEvil | You absolutely have to take ESR and temperature into account. |
| 17:00.37 | Estel_ | only momentary one |
| 17:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | basically the aproach is kinda flawed |
| 17:01.10 | Estel_ | afaik fuel gauge takes temperature into account |
| 17:01.18 | Estel_ | creating compensated SoC |
| 17:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | you can't get better that 25/50/75% values from cell voltage |
| 17:01.38 | Estel_ | still, I've yet to see situation, when CSOC is different from RSOC |
| 17:01.59 | SpeedEvil | Fuel gauge cannot take temperature into account. |
| 17:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: bq27200 takes temp into account, but doesn't calculate C from U at all |
| 17:02.22 | SpeedEvil | It's only used - from memory - to disqualify charge and discharge cycles on the basis of over or undertemp |
| 17:02.25 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I kinda agree with that. also, using momentary voltage, You can get ~30% different reading, based on load |
| 17:02.40 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, yea. |
| 17:02.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/User_talk:Speedevil/Ohm |
| 17:03.05 | SpeedEvil | This is several batteries ohms vs voltage curves |
| 17:03.20 | SpeedEvil | It clearly shows that you absolutely need to learn the battery. |
| 17:03.33 | Estel_ | 100% true. |
| 17:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:03.46 | SpeedEvil | Or at least measure impedence - in order to answer the question 'what's the charge left before the modem may reset' |
| 17:04.21 | Estel_ | that's wy ideal battery applet would use i2c and read from fuel gauge |
| 17:04.31 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. |
| 17:04.36 | SpeedEvil | Fuel guage is about half of it. |
| 17:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Maybe less. |
| 17:04.50 | Estel_ | method is freely available in bq27200.sh, but for unknow reason every dev use bme, .ko or whatsnot |
| 17:04.56 | SpeedEvil | The fuel guage cannot know what the answer to the above is. |
| 17:04.57 | Estel_ | hm? |
| 17:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | the N9(50) fuel gauge is using cell Z and adaptive tables to estimate a individual charge from cell voltage |
| 17:05.17 | SpeedEvil | Because it changes under temperature, load, and battery. |
| 17:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | not so the bq27200 nor the bme in N900 |
| 17:05.40 | Estel_ | hey, so how bq27200.sh calculates capacity so precisely? |
| 17:05.44 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't. |
| 17:05.54 | SpeedEvil | It simply measures current in and out of the battery and adds it up. |
| 17:06.09 | SpeedEvil | This is somewhat accurate if you're discharging the battery very slowly. |
| 17:06.21 | SpeedEvil | Or in normal use, for a very new battery. |
| 17:06.48 | SpeedEvil | Looking at the above graph, for example, the worst battery in that group is 700mR or so. |
| 17:07.06 | Estel_ | yes, but for everyday, even quite demanding use, it's ok. I used redings from it with bme disabled many times - on dual-scud 3000 mah battery - and it never "failed" |
| 17:07.07 | SpeedEvil | A load of 1A from the cellmo will cause the modem to drop out at an initial battery voltage of around 3.7V |
| 17:07.40 | SpeedEvil | At which point it will still have maybe 40% of its charge left, at low currents. |
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| 17:07.51 | Estel_ | totally agree |
| 17:08.04 | Estel_ | but I think we may ommit it in battery applets? ;) |
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| 17:08.21 | SpeedEvil | If you're reimplementing BME, it's largely irrelevant. |
| 17:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 17:08.35 | SpeedEvil | The 'bars' is mostly accurate, as BME turns off in many cases 'too early'. |
| 17:08.45 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 17:08.52 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're reimplimenting BME. |
| 17:09.15 | SpeedEvil | It's inaccurate for those with big batteries - but there are probably a few dozen of them. |
| 17:09.19 | Estel_ | SpeedEvil, to be understand correctly, I totally agree with Your rationale, and ideal measurement should take care of it |
| 17:09.57 | Estel_ | i mean that, when someone write battery applet, she/he may use bq27200.sh i2cget method, without problem |
| 17:10.23 | SpeedEvil | In general, it's flawed. |
| 17:10.28 | Estel_ | as for reimplementing bme, I believe You, cause its out of scope of my knowledge |
| 17:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | NAC Nominal Available Capacity || CACD Discharge Compensated NAC || CACT Temperature Compensated CACD |
| 17:11.08 | Estel_ | also, no one can predict how load will look in future, from measuring moment |
| 17:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:11.36 | Estel_ | one can use 1A and then, rest in 6mAh, or other way |
| 17:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | just *always* check CI=0 |
| 17:11.50 | Estel_ | so capacity is quite relative term, to simplify things |
| 17:12.27 | SpeedEvil | No, however you can predict to some accuracy when a pulse load of 1A will cause the voltage to drop to a level below at which the modem will reset. |
| 17:12.45 | Estel_ | agree |
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| 17:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | STTE Standby Time-to-Empty || MLTTE Max Load Time-to-Empty || TTE Time-to-Empty |
| 17:13.43 | SpeedEvil | MLTTE on the bq27200 is going to be quite inaccurate for many cells - due to internal R |
| 17:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | probably |
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| 17:15.57 | SpeedEvil | What you really want - if you're not reimplementing BME - is to work out the algorithms BME uses. (and ideally to stop it going beep) And report charge before it turns off. This is not always trivial. |
| 17:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | in the end it doesn't matter in RL |
| 17:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | old beagles had no fuel gauge at all, just a lamp that lit when lesst than ~x L gasoline left over |
| 17:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | err, s/beagle/Volkswagen/ |
| 17:20.42 | Estel_ | quite different topic - what the hell this error means?: |
| 17:20.42 | Macer | ok so i am confused. you mean that it is simply relying on a history of thebattery? |
| 17:20.43 | Estel_ | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 17:21.02 | Macer | and doing math to calculate the percentage? |
| 17:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | plus they had a valve you could operate with your foot, to enable a few L reserve |
| 17:21.24 | Estel_ | Macer, no. alternate bme alghoritm in apm uses voltage reported by bme and calculate it own capacity from it |
| 17:21.45 | Macer | but alternate bme was off |
| 17:21.47 | Estel_ | it may be different from bme capacity, and may be more or less acdcurate ;) |
| 17:21.56 | Macer | real bme was about to shut my n900 down |
| 17:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: that error means there's no alsa device seq available, probably seq-uencer |
| 17:22.10 | Macer | while the alternate method was reporting 25% |
| 17:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | s/device/audiocard/ |
| 17:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: I think it has to be related to MIDI stuff |
| 17:23.14 | Macer | meaning. the advanced power battery applet was reporting 25 while my bme widget was reporting 0.4 |
| 17:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: pretty obsolete |
| 17:23.39 | Macer | while running in alternate |
| 17:23.52 | Macer | with a red flashing light |
| 17:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: some really old card definitions in alsa config may still look for pcm:seq |
| 17:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | or ctl:seq |
| 17:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 17:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | soundblaster32 |
| 17:25.13 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, the strangest thing is that |
| 17:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | sth like that |
| 17:25.24 | Estel_ | it show in dosbox, causing segfault |
| 17:25.30 | Macer | and if it does rely on battery history.. what happens if you swap batteries? |
| 17:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 17:25.34 | Macer | :) |
| 17:25.37 | Estel_ | i also thought its sound related |
| 17:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | dosbox probably uses a SB emu |
| 17:25.41 | Estel_ | but |
| 17:25.47 | Estel_ | sb emu eorks fine |
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| 17:25.59 | Estel_ | this error dissapear when i change graphic output |
| 17:26.05 | Estel_ | from overlay to surface |
| 17:26.23 | Estel_ | and sb16 emulation works ok, even disabling sound emulation doesnt fix it |
| 17:26.54 | Estel_ | still, output surface is unusable, cause result is big screen and very small dos program on it (running in native application resolution) |
| 17:27.15 | Estel_ | overlay support scaling, and it worked, with exact same settings, month ago or so |
| 17:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: swapping bat always invalidates battery gauge values |
| 17:27.39 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: nice! |
| 17:27.41 | Estel_ | I've tried it again few days ago, and since that I'm trying to make it work |
| 17:27.45 | Macer | for how long? |
| 17:27.58 | Estel_ | is it possible, that kp update messed something up? |
| 17:28.03 | Macer | how long does it take for bme to learn a battery? |
| 17:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | for at very least until one 100% full charge |
| 17:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | possibly for longer |
| 17:28.33 | Estel_ | and how come, that switching display output from overlay to surface, makes dosbox stop complaining about non-existent device? |
| 17:28.37 | Macer | Estel_: trying to play kyrandia on your phone? |
| 17:28.44 | Macer | :) |
| 17:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: NFC |
| 17:28.58 | Estel_ | ATM darklands, but now, dosbox is in unusable state for me |
| 17:29.10 | Estel_ | and it worked before |
| 17:29.18 | Estel_ | nfc =? |
| 17:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~nfc |
| 17:29.34 | infobot | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue |
| 17:29.39 | Estel_ | ah |
| 17:29.43 | Estel_ | same here |
| 17:30.01 | Estel_ | I would say dosbox porting bug, but it was not updated in ages |
| 17:30.04 | Estel_ | and worked |
| 17:30.14 | Macer | Estel_: it is todbox tho. you can just wipe everything and start over :) |
| 17:30.22 | Estel_ | I only updated kp to 48 and CSSU in meantime |
| 17:30.28 | Macer | im surprised there isnt lemmings for maemo |
| 17:30.31 | Estel_ | wiping everything doesnt help |
| 17:30.34 | Macer | i loved lemmings |
| 17:30.36 | Estel_ | there is tux lemmings |
| 17:31.01 | Estel_ | pingus |
| 17:31.09 | Macer | really? |
| 17:31.12 | Estel_ | is linux lemmings clone for maemo also |
| 17:31.15 | Estel_ | yea |
| 17:31.19 | Estel_ | apt-get pingus |
| 17:31.22 | Estel_ | anyway |
| 17:31.26 | Macer | heh |
| 17:31.27 | Macer | awesome |
| 17:31.34 | Estel_ | CSSU can be filtered out as ALSA fault, yep? |
| 17:31.46 | Estel_ | so its probably KP? |
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| 17:32.08 | Estel_ | I still can't find anyone with kp48/49 to check that |
| 17:32.21 | Estel_ | if dosbox works with output=overlay |
| 17:32.29 | Estel_ | for other people |
| 17:33.17 | Estel_ | it seem that kp48 broke reboot |
| 17:33.31 | Estel_ | rebooting now causes device to shut down on Nokia logo |
| 17:33.39 | Estel_ | at least for few users, including me |
| 17:33.52 | Estel_ | this bug was present in ancient kp releases, and returned now |
| 17:34.01 | Estel_ | present in kp49 also |
| 17:34.46 | Estel_ | I thought it's just me - even given fact, that I'm very carefull about what I install or tweak (no speedpatches or other shit), but other people started to report it |
| 17:35.04 | Estel_ | not breaking bug, but quite irritating |
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| 17:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | framebuffer? |
| 17:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | err console, err? |
| 17:40.57 | Estel_ | havent tried yet (too lazy, probably), will do... |
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| 17:52.20 | infobot | docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (6h 12m 46s) #n9 (6h 12m 46s) #harmattan (6h 12m 46s) #meego (6h 12m 46s) #openmoko (6h 12m 46s) #infobot (6h 12m 46s) #openmoko-cdevel (6h 12m 46s). Has said a total of 74 messages. Is idling for 13m 9s, last said: 'err console, err?'. |
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| 18:29.16 | jonwil | so, question, is there actually a demand from the community for being able to have a portrait virtual keyboard? i.e. should I go ahead and clone the libhildon-im-vkbrenderer module that draws the virtual keyboard? |
| 18:31.59 | javispedro | there are already several portrait keyboards |
| 18:33.52 | neal | jonwil: Have you considered integrating maliit? |
| 18:34.02 | jonwil | no idea |
| 18:34.11 | jonwil | I just know someone said they wanted portrait keyboards for CSSU |
| 18:34.38 | merlin1991 | it was brought up in last fridays meeting |
| 18:34.48 | merlin1991 | javispedro: system wide ones? |
| 18:34.58 | javispedro | yes |
| 18:35.01 | javispedro | even nokia provided one.. |
| 18:35.16 | mr_jrt | For the sake of completeness, I'd say go for it if you have a body of work to draw from. |
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| 18:35.48 | jonwil | ok, so is it worth cloning the virtual keyboard renderer code or not? I can do it but it will be a pain in the ass to do so |
| 18:36.14 | neal | jonwil: You should work on what is fun for you and not worry about what other people want you to work on. |
| 18:36.31 | jonwil | I dont want to work on things if no-one else will appreciate/use my work |
| 18:36.34 | neal | jonwil: The N900 now has a small audience. |
| 18:36.44 | neal | jonwil: Then you should work on the iPhone or Android |
| 18:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Cloning it - why? |
| 18:36.59 | neal | jonwil: I'd appreciate a review of my package :-) |
| 18:37.01 | jonwil | well the original idea was to clone it so CSSU could use the clone |
| 18:37.03 | mr_jrt | I appreciate any way anyone helps my beloved little superphone better. ;) |
| 18:37.21 | jonwil | and get portrait keyboard support |
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| 18:37.28 | merlin1991 | jonwil: tbh vkbd is not a high pritority, we've got a hw keyboard after all |
| 18:37.48 | mr_jrt | Yup. If it's an evening's work, go for it and it's an item off the list. |
| 18:38.07 | jonwil | Its not that simple, I still dont know what half the code in the widget is doing |
| 18:38.13 | mr_jrt | ...if it's more than that, only do it if you will get soemthign from it (i.e. enjoyment, donations, etc) |
| 18:38.25 | jonwil | Although the more I look into it, the more I am convinced it would be better to just ignore the closed-source bits of hildon-input-method and write a totally new hildon-input-method plugin |
| 18:38.33 | SpeedEvil | I will donate one frozen petit-pain to the effort. |
| 18:38.39 | SpeedEvil | (may not be frozen after posting) |
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| 18:38.53 | jonwil | and use libimlayout (which I have just finished creating a header file for) to read the layout files |
| 18:40.33 | neal | my n900 does charge anymore. A couple of days ago, I had to wiggle the usb to convince it to charge. Now, it doesn't charge at all. The usb adapter is still connected to the board. Any suggestions on how to fix it? |
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| 18:40.52 | jonwil | Sounds like your USB is on the way out |
| 18:41.09 | jonwil | and you should find a way for it to be fixed BEFORE it breaks any further |
| 18:41.22 | jonwil | my N900 had exactly the same symptoms before its USB gave out |
| 18:41.34 | jonwil | before Nokia Care gave me a replacement N900 |
| 18:41.43 | SpeedEvil | You will not get a new n900. |
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| 18:41.54 | SpeedEvil | has a e7 in its DHL baggie. |
| 18:42.06 | SpeedEvil | Gotta write up the auction listing. |
| 18:42.49 | jonwil | Since I bought my N900 in about january of this year, its been replaced not once but twice by Nokia Care |
| 18:42.56 | neal | jonwil: I called nokia care, they want something like 40 Euros to fix it. |
| 18:42.57 | jonwil | both times it was replaced with a new N900 |
| 18:43.11 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: I bet it was early in teh year though. |
| 18:43.19 | jonwil | yes it was earlier in the year |
| 18:43.21 | neal | jonwil: It's no longer under warrenty. |
| 18:43.27 | Macer | hm |
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| 18:43.35 | SpeedEvil | August? they stopped doing n900 replacements |
| 18:43.44 | Macer | there has to be a problem with 2G to 3G swapping with tmobile |
| 18:43.53 | jonwil | The first replacement was becasuse the flexboard (front camera/LED) broke |
| 18:44.01 | jonwil | The second replacement was for the busted USB |
| 18:44.05 | Macer | seems to stutter when swapping |
| 18:44.24 | jonwil | neal: maybe you can find a phone repair shop somewhere that doesn't charge as much as Nokia |
| 18:44.37 | jonwil | if its no longer under warranty, it doesn't need to go back to Nokia |
| 18:44.48 | neal | they want 40 Euros as well |
| 18:45.07 | Macer | pay the â¬40 |
| 18:45.11 | SpeedEvil | I note that tehy did not fix my n900 with a fallen-off USB connector |
| 18:45.12 | neal | plus, I'd need to send it to them and pay the return, so another 10 euros |
| 18:45.17 | SpeedEvil | Though there was no other board damage. |
| 18:45.28 | MohammadAG | anyone good at physics? |
| 18:45.30 | Macer | pay the â¬50 |
| 18:45.32 | jonwil | Is there nowhere locally that can do repairs? |
| 18:45.32 | SpeedEvil | Just replaced with another phone. |
| 18:45.40 | SpeedEvil | accellerates MohammadAG at 9.8m/s. |
| 18:45.51 | Macer | hahaha |
| 18:46.00 | MohammadAG | A person flying a plane at a speed of 40km/h towards the west felt a wind blowing towards him from the north west, when he changes the direction of flight to 60 degrees north west, he feels the wind blowing north. |
| 18:46.06 | MohammadAG | Calculate the wind speed and direction relative to the ground. |
| 18:46.09 | neal | bochum is local relative to dusseldorf, but it's far enough away that the 10 Euros is less than the time. |
| 18:46.11 | Macer | 9.8m/s^2 |
| 18:46.15 | Macer | :-P |
| 18:46.29 | jonwil | Around here there are lots of small places popping up in shopping centers that both sell phone accessories (cases and other doodads) and do repairs |
| 18:46.31 | MohammadAG | I got lost |
| 18:46.41 | javispedro | The answer is Dusseldorf. |
| 18:46.44 | MohammadAG | Mainly cause I had to translate it from hebrew |
| 18:46.47 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you know the plane speed and vector. You know that the wind speed is constant. |
| 18:46.48 | Macer | neal.. pay for it |
| 18:47.17 | Macer | pay whatever nokia wants.. 50 is not bad |
| 18:47.26 | Macer | N900s are scarce |
| 18:47.36 | neal | perhaps |
| 18:47.38 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Given that the wind speed and direction is constant, what constant vector do you have to add to the planes direction so that in both cases the resultant wind ends up in the stated direction. |
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| 18:47.47 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: also ##physics. |
| 18:47.49 | Macer | what broke? |
| 18:48.36 | Macer | pay nokia if they will accept it and repair it. it is worth the â¬50 |
| 18:50.16 | jonwil | definatly, yeah, pay the 50e |
| 18:50.23 | merlin1991 | why oh why do you have to crash all the time o mighty plasma desktop |
| 18:50.34 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, did you already paste the question? |
| 18:51.06 | Macer | merlin1991: i thought plasma was pretty stable in kubuntu |
| 18:51.12 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no |
| 18:51.22 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you can answer it with trig though |
| 18:51.30 | merlin1991 | Macer: I thought so too |
| 18:51.34 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: draw it out on graph paper, and the trig makes more sense. |
| 18:51.34 | merlin1991 | untill I started using it |
| 18:51.39 | Macer | haha |
| 18:51.50 | merlin1991 | I simply can't poweroff without 2 crash notices from plasma |
| 18:51.57 | Macer | i nevr bumped into too many problems |
| 18:52.04 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I know, that's how I'm supposed to do it, but I got lost graphing it up |
| 18:52.14 | Macer | i think plasma is great tbh |
| 18:52.20 | Macer | big kde fanboy |
| 18:52.34 | merlin1991 | and running rekonq is the best way to make an instant live plasma crash |
| 18:52.45 | Macer | yah |
| 18:52.47 | Macer | rekonq sucks |
| 18:52.54 | Macer | it is very unstable :) |
| 18:52.55 | merlin1991 | I stil l haven't figured out what activities are and how you're supposed to use them :P |
| 18:53.01 | merlin1991 | why is it default ffs? |
| 18:53.05 | merlin1991 | it suxx ass |
| 18:53.15 | Macer | because konq is the old one |
| 18:53.22 | Macer | and it would be like running netscape |
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| 18:53.38 | Macer | everybody just removes it and installs chromium |
| 18:53.45 | Macer | thats what i did |
| 18:53.53 | merlin1991 | it removed and went to firefox |
| 18:53.56 | Macer | chromium is great :) |
| 18:54.04 | merlin1991 | not going to give google even more data about myself |
| 18:54.05 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: draw a line west 4 units. Draw another line from the origin northwest a lot of units. The resultant wind direction goes from the end of the line you drew going west, to the line northwest. You can see that there are many lines that work. Now, do the same for the other direction. Again, there are many lines (windspeeds) that work. |
| 18:54.16 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Only one of these is common to both though. |
| 18:55.06 | Macer | hahaha |
| 18:55.34 | Macer | why? worried about your cylon counterpart? |
| 18:56.22 | Macer | i dont think google cares that much about individuals.. just massive numbers of the masses |
| 18:57.18 | merlin1991 | makes no sense to live in a country with strict privacy laws when you hand out everything yourself :D |
| 18:57.34 | Macer | lmao |
| 18:57.39 | merlin1991 | one reason why I'd never get bf3 |
| 18:57.45 | merlin1991 | that eula is an insult to privacy |
| 18:57.53 | Macer | bf3? |
| 18:57.58 | merlin1991 | battlefield 3 the game |
| 18:57.58 | Macer | battlefield3? |
| 18:58.08 | Macer | really? |
| 18:58.24 | Macer | only games i play are wii games on my son's softmodded wii |
| 18:58.25 | Macer | lol |
| 18:59.01 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, but the person changed his direction, so the first line isn't the same anymore |
| 18:59.30 | merlin1991 | I don't like it anyway, but lemme quote: You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage ..." |
| 18:59.49 | jonwil | ok, time to see what I can do regarding the encrypted osso-backup stuff |
| 19:00.04 | Macer | wow hahahaha |
| 19:00.11 | Gh0sty | merlin1991: oh do EA games run on maemo? |
| 19:00.39 | Macer | so it is basically a trojan with a game attached to it |
| 19:00.40 | merlin1991 | Gh0sty: nope we went a lil ot ;) |
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| 19:00.45 | merlin1991 | jep Macer |
| 19:00.49 | Gh0sty | a lil :P |
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| 19:01.01 | Macer | Gh0sty: it happens |
| 19:01.09 | Macer | conversations cascade |
| 19:01.21 | Gh0sty | wants to write an agreement that I can fuck your gf one night when you use my software :P |
| 19:01.43 | Gh0sty | but anyway ... who am i kidding ... most dont have any ... :p |
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| 19:03.48 | gribouille | hi |
| 19:05.01 | gribouille | I have a N800, and I can't stop it anymore. any idea? |
| 19:05.24 | merlin1991 | damn I just thought compiling qt-x11-maemo finished, but no it's just another term I had open that finished something :/ |
| 19:05.58 | gribouille | is there a way to force the N800 to halt? |
| 19:06.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the wind is constant though - the underlying wind. |
| 19:08.23 | gribouille | plesse, I'm helpless |
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| 19:09.20 | SpeedEvil | Force it to halt - what do you mean? |
| 19:10.17 | gribouille | SpeedEvil: it is completely frozen. it doesn't repond when I press the buttons |
| 19:11.17 | SpeedEvil | Remove the battery. |
| 19:11.25 | SpeedEvil | Or do you mean it won't boot in the first place? |
| 19:11.45 | gribouille | SpeedEvil: no, it doesn't boot |
| 19:12.00 | gribouille | SpeedEvil: how do I remove the battery? |
| 19:13.40 | SpeedEvil | nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/N800_US_en.PDF |
| 19:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Not owned one. |
| 19:13.58 | SpeedEvil | If it's been some time since it's last used, it's probable you need a new battery. |
| 19:14.27 | javispedro | is going to buy another n810 battery in a few days.. |
| 19:14.42 | javispedro | any suggestions for where to buy it btw? |
| 19:15.23 | gribouille | SpeedEvil: ok, I managed to remove the battery and put it back. now, the N800 boots ok. thanks |
| 19:15.24 | jonwil | bah, cant be bothered doing the osso-backup stuff |
| 19:15.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:15.43 | jonwil | Going to load the closed-source browser addons into IDA and see what that turns up |
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| 20:08.02 | rly | Can one also "backup" over ssh? |
| 20:08.34 | SpeedEvil | You can copy the backup file. |
| 20:08.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if you can actually initiate a backup |
| 20:09.07 | rly | SpeedEvil: and creating a backup file is a matter of using the default backup application? |
| 20:09.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:10.27 | rly | What exactly does it backup? Only user data? |
| 20:10.32 | rly | Or the whole thing? |
| 20:10.55 | SpeedEvil | User data, and a list of installed apps. |
| 20:11.02 | SpeedEvil | Restoring a backup will redownload teh apps |
| 20:11.17 | SpeedEvil | If they are still available at their original repositories of course. |
| 20:11.18 | rly | Can that data also be used with other phones? |
| 20:11.22 | rly | At least partially. |
| 20:11.25 | rly | E.g. contacts. |
| 20:11.28 | SpeedEvil | Other n900s, yes. |
| 20:11.31 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:11.49 | SpeedEvil | Well - in principle, but no. |
| 20:11.51 | rly | Ok, but there are export functions to do that. |
| 20:12.11 | rly | At least, I seem to recall having seen those. |
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| 20:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | rly: sftp works like a charm for me |
| 20:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | sftp://root@n900 |
| 20:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | (authorized_keys comes in mega-handy here) |
| 20:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | contacts app has "export to vcards" |
| 20:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | rly: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:26.26 | rly | DocScrutinizer: yes, I already setup two proxies to my phone ;) |
| 20:26.36 | rly | ssh is like the best invention ever. |
| 20:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | >>A job I start on my PC every day, via cron...< |
| 20:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 20:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | there's also sshfs/fuse |
| 20:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | but it seems cumbersome to me |
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| 20:28.11 | rly | DocScrutinizer: you sent that URL before, but I don't see what I would do with it. It has warnings all over the place. |
| 20:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | scroll all down to the bottom |
| 20:28.59 | rly | DocScrutinizer: the backup script. Ah, ok. |
| 20:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | rsync -vaRzx --fake-super root@$1:/ ~/Documents/N900/backup/$1; |
| 20:29.36 | neal | DocScrutinizer: Do you have any experience repair the usb adapter? |
| 20:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | the port? |
| 20:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | which adapter? |
| 20:30.27 | neal | the port, yes |
| 20:30.42 | neal | a couple of days ago, I had to jiggle it to get it to charge |
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| 20:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | no RL experience on that paricular case |
| 20:30.46 | neal | now it doesn't charge at all |
| 20:31.00 | neal | ok, thanks |
| 20:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | fix it before it's completely broken! |
| 20:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 20:31.35 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
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| 20:32.45 | neal | great |
| 20:32.53 | neal | somehow I hadn't come across that thread yet |
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| 20:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | humm, Ericsson, might actually be an interesting job |
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| 20:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | there's been some statistics about what's best day of week and best time of day for a placement meeting - but I can't find it anymore. anybody a clue when to meet you next boss? |
| 20:44.00 | SpeedEvil | 3AM, holding a baseball bat. |
| 20:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:44.11 | SpeedEvil | Gotta make a memorable first impression. |
| 20:44.25 | SpeedEvil | 'when he finds it most convenient'. |
| 20:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | I always do, even without bat |
| 20:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 20:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 20:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | gogles about Ericsson at his ~/.location |
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| 20:47.06 | SpeedEvil | Not affected by the recent de-sonyisation? |
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| 20:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | whatsat? |
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| 20:55.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wirelesswatch.jp/2011/10/27/sony-to-acquire-ericsson-share/ |
| 21:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: well, dunno if our local Ericsson is related to Sony in any way |
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| 21:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://jobs.trovit.de/jobs/ericsson-nuremberg |
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| 21:16.57 | MohammadAG | my N900's been giving OOM errors (by hildon-desktop) a lot lately |
| 21:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | feed it some DDR2-RAM |
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| 21:30.33 | merlin1991 | ~seen achipa |
| 21:30.46 | infobot | achipa <attila@nat/nokia/x-srylilyvevhntzso> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 8h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: got the same (half)mail'. |
| 21:48.16 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Ah - not mobile then |
| 21:48.32 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
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| 22:43.01 | Chat2505 | Hi |
| 22:44.57 | Shapeshifter | Uh, can I safely apt-get upgrade right now if I have installed the CSSU? I read something about some official miniature PR. |
| 22:45.25 | NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 |
| 22:46.18 | Shapeshifter | "you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)" I have automatic updates disabled. Can I run apt-get upgrade or should I use crap HAM? |
| 22:46.45 | Shapeshifter | oh nevermind ."you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)" |
| 22:46.48 | Shapeshifter | I'll wait |
| 22:48.21 | NIN101 | apt-get upgrade sometimes brakes maemo, so don't use it anyway. |
| 22:48.34 | NIN101 | s/brakes/breakes/ |
| 22:48.46 | Shapeshifter | mh. poor fragile maemo. |
| 22:48.57 | Shapeshifter | pats N900 on the head |
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| 22:54.59 | Shapeshifter | Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power. |
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| 23:13.46 | luke-jr | Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too! |
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| 23:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: apt-get upgrade been deprecated always |
| 23:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? |
| 23:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation |
| 23:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies |
| 23:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | so some pointers about where to dig are welcome |
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| 23:54.48 | merlin1991 | someone with n900 +cssu pleace paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage |
| 23:54.56 | merlin1991 | s/pleace/please/ |
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