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| 01:34.06 | HyperSnyper | anyone about that uses psx4m ? |
| 01:34.57 | HyperSnyper | with the gui, is there a way to put rom/bin's into seperate folders ? i have to put them all into single the folder listed in settings for them to show |
| 01:35.14 | HyperSnyper | pain with a game thats dumped into like 40 .bin files |
| 01:37.43 | HyperSnyper | hmmm looks like might nto be possible > http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=960475&postcount=434 |
| 01:37.45 | HyperSnyper | "there is no option to select Game Image, Only option to select where psx4m-gui should try to find games (doesn't support subdirectories) |
| 01:37.46 | HyperSnyper | tap title -> GUI config -> Rom directory |
| 02:06.20 | Macer | hm |
| 02:06.24 | pronto | hm |
| 02:06.47 | Macer | one of my n900 batteries is only etting 98% charge |
| 02:07.08 | Macer | getting |
| 02:07.15 | Macer | i need an actual charger |
| 02:07.55 | robbiethe1st | It's getting a "full" charge. What percent it says doesn't matter |
| 02:13.28 | Macer | i guess |
| 02:13.46 | Macer | i still want the charger and spare batteries |
| 02:19.02 | Macer | http://www.ebay.com/itm/M4Z-1320mAh-Battery-Charger-Nokia-BL-5J-N900-X6-C3-/150646582556?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item23133c6d1c |
| 02:19.16 | Macer | wonder if that will work |
| 02:46.46 | robbiethe1st | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Charger-4-Nokia-5800-5800XM-BL5J-5230-N900-7500-/260616874186?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cadf9e8ca I have ne of these |
| 02:47.13 | robbiethe1st | Takes a while to charge, has a red/blue charge indicator |
| 02:47.33 | robbiethe1st | Likely isn't great for the battery, but hasn't caused me any trouble so far |
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| 03:17.46 | sethstorm | robbiethe1st: thought that was the fall-apart one I've seen on the forums |
| 03:17.57 | robbiethe1st | Dunno. |
| 03:18.18 | sethstorm | I've got the PowerGen one for slightly more |
| 03:18.44 | sethstorm | (not only does it charge my N900's batteries, it also does so for my N770) |
| 03:19.04 | jonwil | anyone know which packages relate to the virtual keyboard stuff? |
| 03:19.54 | jonwil | there are so many hildon-input packages that its hard to know which ones need cloning |
| 03:20.28 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 03:54.28 | jonwil | further analysis suggests the virtual keyboard is just too hard to clone |
| 03:58.53 | Macer | terrible terra belle |
| 03:58.54 | Macer | hahahahahha |
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| 04:04.19 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 04:20.56 | Macer | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-Black-N900-Fascia-Full-Housing-Case-Cover-Stylus-/220809503439?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item336945a2cf |
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| 04:27.09 | sethstorm | Macer: good money says it's shoddier than the original |
| 04:28.18 | sethstorm | now what I would not mind seeing is whole system boards going on ebay |
| 04:28.24 | sethstorm | given the USB issues |
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| 04:32.42 | jonwil | Even if the USB is totally busted, its still possible for someone with good soldering skills to repair or replace it |
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| 04:34.15 | whatever4ever | http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-2-Wi-Fi-2GB-TV-UNLOCKED-Touch-Screen-CELL-PHONE-N900-/400241553307?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item5d30416f9b this for real? |
| 04:34.56 | whatever4ever | my n900 stopped being able to differentiate between headphones and headset. so i plug the headset in 3/4ths way in and it works as headphones, but the mic doesn't work. Can barely hear the audio when i plug it the rest of the way in |
| 04:35.10 | psycho_oreos | for a fake N900 yes |
| 04:35.42 | whatever4ever | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 this seems to be the same as what I'm experiencing... later on he says headphones are fine, but not headsets |
| 04:35.43 | povbot` | 04Bug 6360: Headset problems |
| 04:36.54 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: I wonder how bad of a solder job the fake has done on the USB port |
| 04:37.06 | sethstorm | or if out of all irony, they do a better one |
| 04:37.13 | whatever4ever | so it runs nokia software? |
| 04:37.18 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, I wouldn't want to imagine about it at any rate |
| 04:37.25 | sethstorm | whatever4ever: doubtful |
| 04:37.35 | psycho_oreos | whatever4ever, it runs symbian. They dressed it up as maemo |
| 04:37.39 | whatever4ever | ah |
| 04:37.50 | psycho_oreos | whatever4ever, you can clearly see its fake everywhere |
| 04:37.56 | whatever4ever | i wonder if i could get the headset working (see description above) if i take it apart |
| 04:38.00 | sethstorm | I'd rather see a KIRF'd N950 that runs android |
| 04:38.16 | whatever4ever | ofc, n950 is real hardware |
| 04:38.19 | psycho_oreos | KIRF? |
| 04:38.24 | sethstorm | cloned |
| 04:38.27 | sethstorm | faked |
| 04:38.30 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 04:38.40 | whatever4ever | where does 'kirf' come from |
| 04:38.47 | sethstorm | "keeping it real fake" |
| 04:39.08 | whatever4ever | hah |
| 04:39.29 | psycho_oreos | its sure to get some wannabe buying it thinking they have a genuine device |
| 04:40.34 | sethstorm | either way, I'd not touch it with a 10' pole |
| 04:41.11 | Macer | jonwil: there are far and few who can fix that port |
| 04:41.11 | psycho_oreos | I wouldn't even touch it any rate regardless how far I am even with wearing radioactive hazchem suit |
| 04:41.19 | Macer | especially if the copper comes off the board |
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| 04:41.25 | Macer | :) |
| 04:41.41 | Macer | sethstorm: i'm sure it is as well |
| 04:41.50 | psycho_oreos | I wrote on a thread on tmo a few months ago how does one easily distinguish a fake N900 and a real N900 |
| 04:41.50 | Macer | but still need to get backup parts |
| 04:42.00 | Macer | psycho_oreos: lol... what is the main difference? |
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| 04:42.17 | whatever4ever | one runs wince |
| 04:42.21 | whatever4ever | heh |
| 04:42.27 | Macer | hahahah |
| 04:42.32 | psycho_oreos | no, hacked symbian.. they call it MTX or some crap |
| 04:42.44 | Macer | hacked symbian to look like maemo? |
| 04:42.49 | whatever4ever | fuck, just bought a 30$ wired headset for this |
| 04:42.52 | whatever4ever | and it doesnt work |
| 04:42.57 | Macer | made in china |
| 04:43.06 | whatever4ever | thinking it is hardware issue as per the bug pasted above |
| 04:43.11 | psycho_oreos | I don't think there's a main difference, in fact there's too many obvious differences in the link whatever4ever pastd |
| 04:43.12 | Macer | i ordered a charger for BL-5J batteries |
| 04:43.20 | Macer | and the seller had a giant "US SELLER" |
| 04:43.24 | Macer | all over the item |
| 04:43.27 | psycho_oreos | s/pastd/pasted/ |
| 04:43.30 | Macer | and the payment went to .hk |
| 04:43.31 | Macer | hahahh |
| 04:43.38 | Macer | i think this is the last time i use ebay :) |
| 04:43.45 | sethstorm | Macer: now what's with the ESD issue regarding the use of the alternate connectors? |
| 04:43.46 | Macer | it is infested with chinese now |
| 04:44.00 | psycho_oreos | its not as bad as alibaba :þ |
| 04:44.06 | Macer | psycho_oreos: yes it is |
| 04:44.26 | Macer | and getting worse every day |
| 04:44.39 | psycho_oreos | Macer, alibaba is even worse lol, no buyer protection and probably you have to buy it in lots of how much |
| 04:44.39 | Macer | especially when ebay allows the chinese to plaster "US Seller" all over the place |
| 04:44.46 | Macer | nor is there an easy way to block china |
| 04:44.54 | Macer | ie: only show sellers from your country :) |
| 04:45.09 | psycho_oreos | ebay doesn't really care, they only care about making money. That's their attitude since day one |
| 04:45.13 | sethstorm | Macer: "US Seller" usually is a dead giveaway |
| 04:45.32 | Macer | sethstorm: yeah i kind of figured you know.... false advertising |
| 04:45.35 | Macer | played a role on ebay :) |
| 04:45.38 | Macer | even tho it comes from NJ |
| 04:45.47 | Macer | so i guess they slid it in on a technicality |
| 04:46.00 | sethstorm | someone's Chinatown, I'd think |
| 04:46.02 | psycho_oreos | and I think only dumbasses would find themselves buying a fake lookalike phone believing they got a good deal compared to a genuine |
| 04:46.06 | Macer | sethstorm: haha |
| 04:46.15 | Macer | psycho_oreos: uhm. i did |
| 04:46.17 | Macer | :) |
| 04:46.25 | Macer | i got an N900 from hk over ebay |
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| 04:46.26 | sethstorm | Macer: well, it would be plausible |
| 04:46.27 | Macer | just recently |
| 04:46.33 | Macer | $250 |
| 04:46.36 | Macer | seems the real deal |
| 04:46.40 | psycho_oreos | Macer, its not a fake N900 if you could use flasher :þ |
| 04:46.49 | Macer | psycho_oreos: so far i haven't had a need |
| 04:46.59 | Macer | but as far is it seems.. it is a real N900 |
| 04:47.12 | sethstorm | now is there any possible way to have a US-side N900 still have a warranty this far out |
| 04:47.56 | psycho_oreos | Macer, it pays to read the fine prints and compared it with various sources. There maybe heaps of fake N900 out there but only foolish people who cbf doing simple research gets trolled |
| 04:48.18 | Macer | cbf? |
| 04:48.27 | psycho_oreos | can't be fscked |
| 04:48.55 | Macer | hm. what other methods are there to determining if my n900 is fake? |
| 04:48.58 | Macer | so far maemo seems tip top :) |
| 04:49.06 | psycho_oreos | your N900 isn't fake |
| 04:49.24 | Macer | got lucky huh? |
| 04:49.37 | Macer | then again.. buyer protection does come into play |
| 04:49.40 | sethstorm | yup |
| 04:49.43 | Macer | i would have simply fiiled a claim |
| 04:49.46 | Macer | first day |
| 04:49.50 | Macer | without even contacting :) |
| 04:50.05 | Macer | i am a little pissed about this charger tho... there is no way to determine if a seller is in the US |
| 04:50.22 | psycho_oreos | what never ceases to surprise me is if one bought a genuine N900 and later on wanting to buy another N900, without checking the obvious differences with a real N900 buys a fake one.. or asks if its real :þ |
| 04:50.23 | Macer | i found out AFTER the payment when the paypal payment went to a yahoo.hk acct |
| 04:50.57 | Macer | lmao.. i wrote to the seller after i bought it saying if it is a fake just send my refund now otherwise i am going to contact nokia and file a claim with ebay once it arrives |
| 04:51.05 | psycho_oreos | its not like as if you've NEVER bought a proper N900 before |
| 04:51.13 | Macer | they assured me it was real.. and when i got it i was surprised it was tbh |
| 04:51.23 | Macer | for $250 |
| 04:51.32 | Macer | amazon has new ones going for twice that price |
| 04:51.35 | Macer | which is retarded |
| 04:51.52 | sethstorm | managed to snag mine on ebay for $230 + shipping |
| 04:52.11 | psycho_oreos | for now however, fake N900 seems to be reasonably priced. You could sort of say that's another tell tale sign as N900 hasn't deprecated to being uber cheap |
| 04:52.46 | sethstorm | only downside was that the box imei didnt match, they included a non-stock battery, and that the thing only included the power cable accessory |
| 04:53.04 | sethstorm | in addition to the real N900 inside |
| 04:53.19 | psycho_oreos | it might even be a stolen device |
| 04:53.38 | psycho_oreos | there was a tmo thread which covered that |
| 04:53.39 | sethstorm | thing still has a warranty |
| 04:53.58 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: link? |
| 04:54.12 | sethstorm | or at least some keywords to search |
| 04:54.41 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78605 |
| 04:56.43 | Macer | heh |
| 04:56.50 | Macer | i got a nokia usb cable ;) |
| 04:56.53 | sethstorm | mine was thankfully not from that seller |
| 04:57.28 | psycho_oreos | the seller could have been anyone.. if its a stolen device, the thief isn't only one person in this world :þ |
| 04:57.43 | sethstorm | I know |
| 04:59.26 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1101641&postcount=80 <--- and here's my post in regards to distinguishing between a real and a fake N900 |
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| 05:00.12 | Macer | lmao! |
| 05:00.16 | Macer | sethstorm: mine was! |
| 05:00.17 | Macer | :) |
| 05:00.23 | Macer | i bought mine from cellphoneforever |
| 05:00.28 | sethstorm | the interesting thing is that the new one has a slightly different FCC ID (LJPRX-51X) |
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| 05:01.40 | Macer | lmao |
| 05:01.42 | psycho_oreos | honestly, if you bought a real N900 and in the market to buy another N900 and if you honestly cannot tell the difference between a fake N900 and a real N900. Then I don't know who can help you. I mean really, you have a real N900 to compare it against. |
| 05:01.48 | Macer | well... mine seems rather real |
| 05:02.00 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, what is the hardware revision on that device? |
| 05:02.03 | Macer | it came with a real nokia headset ... and usb cable.. unfortunately.. no tv out cable |
| 05:02.25 | Macer | a real charger too |
| 05:02.35 | Macer | the manual was obviously chinesed |
| 05:02.37 | psycho_oreos | mine came with a dodgy (now defunct) USB cable and incompatible nokia headset |
| 05:02.43 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: 2204/nolo 1.4.14 |
| 05:02.54 | psycho_oreos | that's the one I bought when I was in h.k. |
| 05:03.04 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, interesting, you have an old sticker I guess |
| 05:03.10 | sethstorm | thing had PR1.3 preloaded |
| 05:03.21 | Macer | psycho_oreos: i honestly don't care about these things.. as long as the n900 is functional tbh |
| 05:03.27 | Macer | even a used one is a steal at $250 :) |
| 05:03.36 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: problem is that I dont have the original box to the new one |
| 05:03.45 | psycho_oreos | Macer, a stolen one on the other hand isn't a steal :þ |
| 05:03.52 | sethstorm | just the box to some other out of warranty N900 |
| 05:03.56 | Macer | meh.. doesn't matter to me lmao |
| 05:04.12 | Macer | as long as it works |
| 05:04.21 | Macer | i have spare parts from my now broken one |
| 05:04.40 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, well it shouldn't matter.. I mean it could be a stolen device or the seller has too many N900 unboxed and forgot to place the N900 in the right box prior to shipping. I was thinking that you may have those `loaned' devices |
| 05:04.45 | Macer | like the headphones and the vga cable |
| 05:04.46 | Macer | etc |
| 05:04.50 | Macer | er. tv cable |
| 05:05.17 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: the only reason it would matter is that there's some definite mfg date |
| 05:05.23 | psycho_oreos | Macer, or yes it could have been as you said before a fake N900 |
| 05:05.35 | Macer | psycho_oreos: i dunno :) |
| 05:05.37 | Macer | seems rather real to me |
| 05:05.43 | Macer | a fake one wouldn't run maemo so well heh |
| 05:05.54 | Macer | i can't see how you can fake a fully functional n900 this well |
| 05:05.56 | psycho_oreos | Macer, it wouldn't run maemo at all. period |
| 05:06.26 | Macer | lol. well it does. runs it quite well too :) it's so great having an n900 again |
| 05:06.42 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, true but I'm guessing 2204 is by no means released at an earlier date compared to the rest. I mean you have 2101, 2104 and other variants before that |
| 05:06.45 | Macer | already bumped it up to cssu |
| 05:07.09 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: where else other than bootup would you check |
| 05:07.14 | Macer | i sure hope this charger doesn't set my house on fire |
| 05:07.18 | Macer | battery + charger |
| 05:07.22 | Macer | for $10 |
| 05:07.23 | Macer | lol |
| 05:07.31 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, for which? the mfg date? I don't think you can check it easily imo |
| 05:07.39 | sethstorm | the HW revision |
| 05:07.42 | Macer | oh there is one thing... the "nokia" battery is an obvious knockoff |
| 05:07.55 | sethstorm | since the only way I'm getting it is with R&D mode on my new one |
| 05:07.59 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, cat /proc/cpuinfo| grep Revision && flasher -i |
| 05:08.07 | sethstorm | ah |
| 05:08.23 | psycho_oreos | rather flasher-3.5 |
| 05:08.55 | sethstorm | kinda hard to run flasher if the usb port is just 5 pads |
| 05:09.23 | psycho_oreos | what's that supposed to mean? broken USB port? |
| 05:09.25 | sethstorm | yes |
| 05:09.37 | psycho_oreos | heh nasty, time to get it repaired imo |
| 05:10.16 | Macer | i think cellphoneforever is just a flea market |
| 05:10.26 | Macer | the actual company name is some sort of trading inc located in hk |
| 05:10.31 | Macer | they are probably just a pawn shop |
| 05:10.45 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: if there was someone that wouldn't call it uneconomical |
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| 05:11.43 | sethstorm | psycho_oreos: old one is 2101 |
| 05:12.04 | Macer | i'm just glad my n900 turned out ok |
| 05:12.07 | psycho_oreos | it wouldn't be rare to find pawn shops selling genuine N900. When I visited there, there was plenty of stores selling N900 and the seller is trying to convince you is new. When it came to dealing with them and tinkering with the actual device. You could tell the device isn't new |
| 05:12.14 | Macer | considering the reputation most of asia has for selling things |
| 05:12.25 | psycho_oreos | sethstorm, exact same hw revision as my third N900 |
| 05:12.43 | Macer | mine is 2101 according to cpuinfo |
| 05:12.54 | Macer | Serial : 000000000000000000000000 |
| 05:12.55 | Macer | lol |
| 05:13.06 | psycho_oreos | empty Serial number is nothing new |
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| 05:14.49 | Macer | ah well.. i guess i will charge both batteries. i seriously want this charger to show up so i can just battery swap. i am trying to avoid as much contact as possible with the usb port |
| 05:15.11 | sethstorm | Macer: is it in warranty? |
| 05:15.14 | psycho_oreos | And in Hong Kong, the people are known to be extremely trendy. If you were caught having an old phone you'd be mocked by yer mates in H.K. So its probably also another logical reason why there's a fair bit of N900 second hands being sold there. The people just want to keep up with trends. |
| 05:15.20 | Macer | sethstorm: unsure |
| 05:15.34 | sethstorm | www.nokiausa.com/us-en/support/troubleshooting/warranty?c=1 |
| 05:15.42 | Macer | psycho_oreos: that's because people in hk don't know and awesome phone when they see one |
| 05:15.43 | sethstorm | that's what I've generally used for warranty queries |
| 05:15.45 | Macer | lol |
| 05:15.50 | psycho_oreos | Macer, fyi constant battery swap may loosen the contacts on the battery itself |
| 05:16.00 | Macer | i wouldn't give up my n900 |
| 05:16.12 | Macer | psycho_oreos: it's ok. i will have 3 |
| 05:16.25 | Macer | and since they are like $5-10 i will just order a few more |
| 05:16.40 | psycho_oreos | Macer, they don't see the phone's inner beauty. They just see the phone as a means of being cool and as a fashion accessory. Much like having a trendy watch back then |
| 05:16.59 | psycho_oreos | heh I would never give up my N900(s) at any rate |
| 05:17.00 | Macer | so.. a city full of iphones? |
| 05:17.01 | Macer | :) |
| 05:17.01 | sethstorm | now what I'd like to see is something that hits the proper pins on the jig for usb, then is a very thin plastic ribbon cable that snakes around |
| 05:17.24 | Macer | sethstorm: that would be awesome |
| 05:17.57 | Macer | not to mention the ribbon cable would have a lot more "give" than the port hard soldered itself |
| 05:17.57 | sethstorm | but the thing is that joerg_rw was talking about protection issues |
| 05:17.59 | psycho_oreos | Macer, the place that I visited (Sham Shui Po), there was like an entire street selling various electronic goods but mostly phones. I recall hearing people selling iPhones over microphones saying that you can get it at X amount of HKD$, etc |
| 05:18.09 | sethstorm | if you simply used the jig ports |
| 05:18.24 | Macer | you'd shock your hand? :) |
| 05:18.25 | Macer | heh |
| 05:18.37 | sethstorm | hmm |
| 05:18.45 | sethstorm | search the USB port threads |
| 05:19.04 | Macer | sethstorm: i'd rather not.. a piece of me dies inside every time i remember the moment my usb port fell off my last n900 |
| 05:19.18 | Macer | it was a special kind of sadness |
| 05:19.23 | sethstorm | I'm just thankful I was able to find anothre one |
| 05:19.33 | sethstorm | *another |
| 05:19.36 | Macer | heh |
| 05:19.39 | Macer | another n900? |
| 05:19.42 | psycho_oreos | also an electronic magazine me dad bought from HK has shops listed in there (in advertisement form) that you could trade in your old phone for X amounts of price. There was a list of certain phones that you could redeem as sort of a trade-in value |
| 05:19.48 | Macer | me too... i am more thankful i didn't have to pay $400 for it |
| 05:19.53 | sethstorm | Macer: yes |
| 05:19.54 | Macer | wtf... cmon amazon.. drop the price! |
| 05:20.11 | Macer | some of them on amazon are going for $500+ new |
| 05:20.37 | Macer | with "minor scratches" ones going for $300+ |
| 05:20.55 | Macer | i am stll going to get an e7 when i get the chance |
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| 05:21.01 | Macer | but this week i need to buy a synology |
| 05:21.15 | sethstorm | e7 the E90 successor or something? |
| 05:21.22 | Macer | and 4 3TB hard drives |
| 05:21.26 | Macer | i suppose |
| 05:21.32 | Macer | i always considered it an N8 with a qwerty |
| 05:21.38 | psycho_oreos | rubbish |
| 05:21.47 | psycho_oreos | N8 has 12MP camera |
| 05:22.28 | psycho_oreos | but either way, they're (E7 and N8) are both rubbish :þ |
| 05:23.03 | Macer | psycho_oreos: if the e7 hits $300 or less.. i'm game :) |
| 05:23.13 | psycho_oreos | Macer, gfy |
| 05:23.36 | psycho_oreos | would personally rather invest it to buy either N9 or somehow obtain N950 :þ |
| 05:26.53 | sethstorm | the N9 reminds me of an N770 shrunk down into a phone |
| 05:27.44 | Macer | i am reading this thread |
| 05:27.52 | Macer | and well.. i just don't see it :) my n900 works great lol |
| 05:28.23 | psycho_oreos | N9 is more like the disabled brother of N950 on 'roids |
| 05:29.52 | Macer | psycho_oreos: my sticker says "made in finland" |
| 05:29.56 | Macer | LOL! wooo!! |
| 05:30.33 | psycho_oreos | Macer, maybe an ex `loaned' device, where did you see the sticker? |
| 05:30.42 | Macer | i just took the battery out |
| 05:31.04 | psycho_oreos | did it have revision number sticker stuck somewhere around there? |
| 05:31.31 | Macer | i just see the sticker on it under the battery |
| 05:31.47 | psycho_oreos | no no, another sticker, like yellow background with black words |
| 05:31.56 | Macer | no.. ot seeing one |
| 05:31.59 | Macer | not |
| 05:32.02 | psycho_oreos | hmm ok |
| 05:32.23 | Macer | but the main sticker says "Made in Finland" |
| 05:32.27 | Macer | it is a finnish made phone! |
| 05:32.28 | Macer | OMG |
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| 05:32.34 | psycho_oreos | <_< |
| 05:32.37 | Macer | one of the rare "non-asian" phones !! |
| 05:32.54 | Macer | lol |
| 05:33.14 | tramp | Made in Finland? |
| 05:33.28 | psycho_oreos | so as he said |
| 05:33.34 | Macer | yes |
| 05:34.04 | tramp | talking about the n900? |
| 05:34.10 | Macer | yes |
| 05:34.16 | psycho_oreos | he's probably so ecstatic about the fact that his N900 that he sourced it from HK was not made from slave labour |
| 05:34.32 | Macer | psycho_oreos: yeah! how did you know?? |
| 05:34.33 | Macer | LOL |
| 05:34.37 | tramp | lol |
| 05:34.38 | Macer | that is exactly what makes it so awesome |
| 05:34.49 | psycho_oreos | Macer, because nobody would be as excited as you are :þ |
| 05:35.19 | tramp | true, but it is kind of cool it doesnt say Made in China on it |
| 05:35.30 | Macer | korea |
| 05:35.31 | Macer | ;) |
| 05:35.33 | psycho_oreos | no genuine N900 would be made in China |
| 05:35.43 | Macer | N900s are made in Korea by default |
| 05:35.44 | psycho_oreos | N9 however is a different story |
| 05:35.54 | Macer | were |
| 05:35.54 | psycho_oreos | no the production N900 were made in Korea |
| 05:36.15 | Macer | how many finland n900s are there? |
| 05:36.18 | psycho_oreos | `loaned' N900 were probably made in Finland |
| 05:36.22 | Macer | :) |
| 05:36.22 | psycho_oreos | nfi |
| 05:36.22 | tramp | i like the phone being quality, and china doesnt mean quality, it means cheap |
| 05:36.32 | Macer | "loaned" ... ? |
| 05:36.39 | psycho_oreos | tramp, then there's iPhone |
| 05:36.43 | Macer | tramp: yes... taiwan is just as bad |
| 05:36.47 | psycho_oreos | Macer, DDP, like that N9 program |
| 05:36.53 | Macer | htc has horrible phones |
| 05:36.54 | psycho_oreos | Macer, to you it is |
| 05:37.11 | Macer | the knockoff battery doesn't read its temp correctly |
| 05:37.15 | Macer | i just noticed that |
| 05:37.15 | psycho_oreos | err s/N9/N950/ |
| 05:37.46 | tramp | iPhone is made in china? |
| 05:37.53 | psycho_oreos | tramp, you never realised? |
| 05:37.58 | Macer | yes |
| 05:38.04 | Macer | suicide factory capital of the world |
| 05:38.08 | tramp | once i saw n900 i never looked |
| 05:38.12 | Macer | foxconn makes them |
| 05:38.15 | psycho_oreos | tramp, well not all of the component is but I'd dare say most of the components were made there anyway |
| 05:38.36 | psycho_oreos | no Foxconn made the semiconductors and assembled them together |
| 05:38.48 | Macer | oh i thought they assembled the actual iphones |
| 05:38.51 | psycho_oreos | well mostly semiconductors actually |
| 05:39.05 | psycho_oreos | I dunno, *shrugs* not that I care about iPhones that much |
| 05:39.05 | tramp | yeah |
| 05:39.44 | tramp | just another thing to point out to iPhone fanatics |
| 05:40.01 | Macer | my knockoff BL-5J says it was made in korea |
| 05:40.16 | Macer | tramp: korea isn't much better :) |
| 05:40.21 | psycho_oreos | they probably wouldn't care, they'll just slam it back saying that its still designed by Apple in California |
| 05:40.25 | Macer | i wouldn't be surprised if it were north korea |
| 05:40.27 | Macer | heh |
| 05:40.38 | psycho_oreos | mm trolling much? |
| 05:40.39 | Macer | psycho_oreos: "US Seller" |
| 05:40.54 | Macer | :) |
| 05:40.57 | psycho_oreos | Nth Korea wouldn't be manufacturing components. I'm sure it would be South Korea if anything |
| 05:41.04 | psycho_oreos | Macer, and? |
| 05:41.06 | Macer | psycho_oreos: i was joking |
| 05:41.11 | tramp | korea? |
| 05:41.21 | tramp | too late |
| 05:41.26 | psycho_oreos | Macer, like you joked about Taiwan making inferior products? |
| 05:41.34 | Macer | no... i was being honest there |
| 05:41.36 | Macer | :) |
| 05:41.44 | tramp | lol |
| 05:41.50 | psycho_oreos | Macer, you do realise most of your motherboard components are made in Taiwan |
| 05:41.57 | doc|home | hey, it's not like asian countries have a monopoly on making crap products |
| 05:41.59 | doc|home | points to GM |
| 05:42.08 | Macer | psycho_oreos: most of a lot of things are made in taiwan |
| 05:42.17 | Macer | which is why i don't expect things to last longer than 5 years |
| 05:42.20 | psycho_oreos | Macer, no, most of the things are made in China |
| 05:42.28 | Macer | my parents have a stereo receiver from 1970 |
| 05:42.31 | Macer | still works |
| 05:42.44 | Macer | how many receivers do you think nowadays will stand the test of time like that? |
| 05:42.58 | Macer | sometimes i think these places make things fail on purpose to continue their industrial machines |
| 05:43.01 | psycho_oreos | you can't compare an old product to materials being used to make the exact same product these days |
| 05:43.15 | Macer | yes you can. especially with the case of stereo receivers |
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| 05:43.20 | Macer | they are the same size |
| 05:43.21 | psycho_oreos | do you think a current modern car would actually last as long as a car from 1950? |
| 05:43.28 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 05:43.32 | Macer | of course not |
| 05:43.39 | Macer | because of cheap parts |
| 05:43.44 | Macer | cheam craftmanship |
| 05:43.46 | psycho_oreos | the exact same logic applies.. over time they use cheap components |
| 05:43.48 | Macer | and the expectation for them to break |
| 05:43.54 | Macer | so people can buy new ones |
| 05:44.02 | psycho_oreos | and its called revenue |
| 05:44.09 | Macer | i guess companies realized making things work means they'll go out of business |
| 05:44.23 | psycho_oreos | not much different from pharmaceutical companies |
| 05:44.27 | Macer | so make it as cheaply as possible |
| 05:44.37 | psycho_oreos | they don't make medicines that will cure you instantly and permanently |
| 05:44.38 | Macer | psycho_oreos: yeah.. but the first pill costs a ton of money |
| 05:44.47 | Macer | psycho_oreos: agreed |
| 05:44.52 | Macer | a sad tactic |
| 05:44.53 | Macer | indeed |
| 05:45.08 | psycho_oreos | Macer, the exact same principles apply with manufactured goods. |
| 05:45.12 | psycho_oreos | Nothing changes |
| 05:45.16 | Macer | the same principles apply for everything |
| 05:45.27 | tramp | where can i get another n900 for a good price in the USA |
| 05:45.28 | Macer | the only market this occurs naturally is in food markets |
| 05:45.37 | psycho_oreos | tramp, probably tmo forums |
| 05:45.49 | tramp | also, business uses cheaper components to beat other businesses prices |
| 05:45.50 | Macer | electronic companies are using a food market plan :) |
| 05:46.16 | psycho_oreos | tramp, not only that to have a larger revenue due to cheaper components being used |
| 05:46.29 | psycho_oreos | s/that/that they/ |
| 05:46.34 | Macer | tramp: they use the same components.. just bought at a cheaper price :) |
| 05:46.37 | psycho_oreos | ffs |
| 05:46.45 | tramp | and drugs are often herbal remedies processed and price jacked |
| 05:46.47 | psycho_oreos | no not necessarily |
| 05:47.05 | Macer | tramp: depends on the drug |
| 05:47.09 | Macer | and lets not forget common vaccines |
| 05:47.10 | Macer | :) |
| 05:47.12 | psycho_oreos | they use the same components until they run out, then they look for cheaper components |
| 05:47.19 | Macer | those are technically "cures" |
| 05:47.33 | psycho_oreos | technically |
| 05:47.35 | Macer | don't see too many kids dying of measles and small pox nowadays |
| 05:47.40 | Macer | polio |
| 05:47.55 | Macer | fevers used to kill people... lets hear it for asprin |
| 05:48.22 | Macer | but just like the cars.. those are old cures |
| 05:48.37 | psycho_oreos | and remind me again, where is medicines manufactured? oh right China it was |
| 05:48.39 | Macer | and this day and age the goal is more so for the pocket than it is for society |
| 05:48.41 | psycho_oreos | :þ |
| 05:48.46 | Macer | it's why we aren't on mars yet |
| 05:48.55 | Macer | mining |
| 05:48.56 | Macer | lol |
| 05:49.16 | psycho_oreos | tramp, were you looking at 2nd hands or brand new N900? |
| 05:49.24 | Macer | no offense... but... capitalism does not work for a society :) |
| 05:50.01 | tramp | brand new |
| 05:50.14 | psycho_oreos | really hard to find brand new these days |
| 05:50.25 | Macer | sure is. and if you find one it is expensive |
| 05:50.35 | Macer | like buying at release date new prices |
| 05:51.06 | psycho_oreos | that's if you could even get a genuinely new N900 |
| 05:51.13 | tramp | sometimes the rate of severe disease caused by vaccine is higher than the risk of contracting the target disease |
| 05:51.57 | tramp | what about anything with a warrantee? |
| 05:53.09 | psycho_oreos | I suppose if its brand spanking new, maybe the warranty will be in effect upon purchasing the equipment. I wouldn't vouch for getting a new N900 if your your new N900 is broken or made defective for instance |
| 05:53.13 | tramp | on vaccines: at least i heard that on some seemingly legitimate website some time ago |
| 05:53.36 | woldrich | I bought 2 n900s 6 months after release for less money than I have to pay for one 'new' today |
| 05:53.48 | tramp | actually, i was thing of selling them |
| 05:54.30 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, damn you're eager :D bought 2 in one go |
| 05:54.31 | tramp | ppl dont know about it, so i might show them and sell them preconfigured |
| 05:54.48 | tramp | if it is good |
| 05:55.37 | tramp | :) |
| 05:56.21 | psycho_oreos | N900 has a few hardware defects. I'd hate to imagine you selling them pre-configured and they later on come chasing back to you for fixes with defective hardware in which you did not experience it first hand |
| 05:56.51 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, funny thing is that I had talked to a friend about perhaps buying the n900 when it'd drop a fairly amount in price 2 weeks earlier. Then one day I saw in the newspaper a place where you could buy 2 n900's for a price that didn't seem right... so checked the internet, and sure thing, they gave it away at half the price. |
| 05:57.05 | tramp | interesting, thank you |
| 05:57.26 | tramp | what defects |
| 05:57.29 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, very nice deal there. |
| 05:57.40 | woldrich | I called them and had them make sure to keep 2 n900s for us, because it was quite a bit of travel |
| 05:58.02 | woldrich | because I thought, fuck, everybody will buy these now |
| 05:58.14 | psycho_oreos | tramp, USB port becoming loose on certain N900. headset/headphone jack not working properly. SIM card sometimes may not be detected. |
| 05:58.21 | tramp | woldrich: how could they sell them so cheap |
| 05:58.29 | woldrich | I still have no idea |
| 05:58.37 | woldrich | but I didn't question them further :D |
| 05:58.58 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, I'm guessing bulk order with bargaining power from maybe a shop or wholesaler |
| 05:59.15 | psycho_oreos | crap.. that was meant to be directed to tramp |
| 05:59.48 | tramp | psycho_oreos: if those problems are rare enough, i could replace the defective ones |
| 06:00.06 | woldrich | If I had knew what a nice device is was, surely I'd have bought more |
| 06:00.39 | psycho_oreos | tramp, I'm not nokia. I wouldn't know how many defective N900 are floating out there in the wild. You could end up being unfortunate to buy a bad batch of defective N900 |
| 06:01.02 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, well you have two already, what are you complaining about? :) |
| 06:01.08 | tramp | psycho_oreos: i would love to buy a 1000 n900s but for starters i might have to go with just cheap |
| 06:02.11 | psycho_oreos | tramp, well Macer pointed out earlier that brand spanking new N900 are sold what they were originally priced (so you're looking at around $500+ for a pop). |
| 06:02.34 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, heh, I gave the other one away to a friend. And just as of today, his usb connector is very, very loose as well :) |
| 06:02.43 | tramp | well, i can always try. and if it worked, it might raise awareness of what phones ought to be |
| 06:02.58 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, ouch |
| 06:03.05 | psycho_oreos | tramp, very unlikely |
| 06:03.33 | psycho_oreos | a good idea is for you to try and see how N900 works out for you before you decide to resell them |
| 06:03.48 | tramp | i have :) |
| 06:03.57 | tramp | it works beautifully |
| 06:04.11 | tramp | i have a kbd and mouse, flash drive |
| 06:04.18 | woldrich | what if we mailed nokia, telling them how many n900s they could sell... surely they must still have batches of n900s in the basement or something |
| 06:04.52 | tramp | ive tinkered with this powertoy for almost a year now |
| 06:04.57 | woldrich | buying them directly off from nokia should mean lower prices as well |
| 06:05.02 | tramp | CONSTANTLTY |
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| 06:05.24 | tramp | thats a good idea |
| 06:05.24 | woldrich | tramp, yeah, the gameboy of the new century! |
| 06:05.39 | woldrich | or gameboy for grownups |
| 06:06.09 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, I doubt that would be the case. There were many N900 owners/ex-owners reporting that they get E7/N8 as an `equivalent' replacement for their dead/faulty N900. Of course some still try to fight against the flaws found in nokia care's contract thing but even at that I still doubt you'd be able to get N900 easily |
| 06:06.15 | tramp | YES! |
| 06:06.47 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, but why? why doesn't nokia want to sell me the shit they've made that I want? |
| 06:07.07 | woldrich | fucking nokia you make absolutely no sense these days |
| 06:07.13 | tramp | that YES was for woldrich |
| 06:07.24 | psycho_oreos | tramp, to me I find N900 is more of a geek's toy. Had nokia been that successful with N900, they wouldn't have killed the platform. |
| 06:07.44 | tramp | so sad |
| 06:07.49 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, it has been making no sense the last fair few years :) |
| 06:08.15 | tramp | and no one ever knew it was actually a small laptop |
| 06:08.28 | psycho_oreos | s/sense/sense since/ |
| 06:08.47 | woldrich | s/(fucking)/stupid, \1/ |
| 06:08.54 | woldrich | :( |
| 06:08.59 | tramp | what happened since the fair? |
| 06:10.02 | psycho_oreos | tramp, to those who find N900 as a small computer would have most likely kept it. Its unlikely that those same set of people would be buying another N900 or would want to buy them pre-configured (not to mention if there's an extra fee for having them pre-configured that way) |
| 06:10.48 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, fyi the bot doesn't do complex regexp like a regular *nix would do :) |
| 06:11.24 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, that's too bad. I wanted to try /e ;) |
| 06:11.53 | tramp | look man, this device is the closest thing we've got to controlling our phones, and theyre trying to go backward. Well, don't let them! |
| 06:12.00 | psycho_oreos | its not the fair, trump. I meant for god knows when has nokia been making any sense. Could have been for the last maybe 3 years |
| 06:12.34 | psycho_oreos | tramp, goes back to what you said not long ago.. you can only try.. I'm just stating that I'm doubtful |
| 06:14.05 | tramp | some ppl who want to use it as a computer would pay an extra fee if it was setup right for it and supported by the distributor |
| 06:14.19 | tramp | i understand your doubts |
| 06:14.31 | tramp | i have them too |
| 06:15.49 | tramp | when i flash my phone, i have to install a plethora of packages and change many settings |
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| 06:16.24 | tramp | copy over the keyboard config i spent a day making... |
| 06:17.09 | tramp | figuring out how to get things working normally took a lot of time |
| 06:17.22 | tramp | like the svn segfault... |
| 06:17.46 | tramp | the gnu programs path problems |
| 06:17.58 | tramp | ...for different software |
| 06:19.10 | tramp | i would spend an extra 50 or 100 dollars if it saved me all that frustration |
| 06:19.38 | tramp | if i KNEW it would save me that frustration |
| 06:20.13 | Macer | is there an amp that shows real time percentage of the battery charge? |
| 06:20.19 | Macer | app |
| 06:20.32 | Macer | the battery widget only shows the last known charge while it is charging |
| 06:20.44 | tramp | yes, its an applet. you hit the battery to see it |
| 06:20.45 | Macer | an applet that shows percentage would be nice |
| 06:21.02 | psycho_oreos | advanced-power |
| 06:21.10 | tramp | thats it |
| 06:21.37 | psycho_oreos | it can fail to work sometimes |
| 06:21.45 | tramp | i have that and 30 other programs written somewhere |
| 06:21.58 | tramp | on my flash drive |
| 06:22.54 | tramp | fail to work sometimes? |
| 06:23.13 | tramp | what does it do? |
| 06:23.33 | psycho_oreos | you get grey battery icon when you have rebooted your device.. happens when you use extras-devel version |
| 06:24.23 | tramp | oh, well pin your apt sources to the stable repos. i never had that problem |
| 06:25.09 | Macer | now i don't have a battery icon at the top :) |
| 06:25.10 | Macer | ol |
| 06:25.12 | Macer | lol |
| 06:25.28 | psycho_oreos | the stable version doesn't allow you to switch between the BME |
| 06:25.30 | tramp | at least i dont remember i dont remember having that problem |
| 06:25.39 | psycho_oreos | Macer, reinstall that program again, and it should reappear |
| 06:26.12 | tramp | switch between the BME..what is that good for? |
| 06:26.40 | tramp | Macer: i would say restart |
| 06:27.22 | psycho_oreos | there's an alternative BME which works better in some other cases than the standard nokia BME |
| 06:27.56 | tramp | does it fix the usb host mode problem? |
| 06:28.34 | tramp | oh god this webpage looks like it says yes! |
| 06:28.52 | Macer | is there a way to add "reboot" to the power menu |
| 06:29.02 | psycho_oreos | not sure, not that I've tried the alternative BME but ShadowJK has a script that could handle USB host mode problem such as the false meter reading from battery when the device is in hostmode iinm |
| 06:29.09 | tramp | this phone causes me the most joy and most pain |
| 06:29.24 | psycho_oreos | Macer, you hack the systemui.xml file. Its noted in the customising N900 wiki |
| 06:30.22 | Macer | lol.. really? have to go through all that? |
| 06:30.29 | Macer | sounds like something that would have been added by now :) |
| 06:30.33 | tramp | the false reading is bc the BME is disabled and cant update batt status |
| 06:31.00 | tramp | bt-hid-scripts disables it |
| 06:31.08 | psycho_oreos | Macer, it was disabled by default probably because its not meant to be used by those who don't know what they are doing |
| 06:31.53 | tramp | it is added Macer, you just have to get ur phone from Tramp PowerPhones XD |
| 06:32.05 | psycho_oreos | tramp, well I'm sure ShadowJK's script may circumvent that issue. DocScrutinizer51 pointed it out on that USB hostmode thread |
| 06:32.22 | Macer | rebooting? :) |
| 06:32.29 | psycho_oreos | and N900 isn't a phone :þ |
| 06:33.00 | Macer | yes it is |
| 06:33.00 | tramp | yeah, i dont see anything wrong with a reboot button |
| 06:33.06 | tramp | no its not my bad |
| 06:33.07 | psycho_oreos | where's the built-in MMS functionality Macer? |
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| 06:33.13 | tramp | n900 is no phone |
| 06:33.20 | Macer | it's in fmms :-P |
| 06:33.26 | psycho_oreos | Macer, that's not built-in |
| 06:33.30 | Macer | android didn't have built in mms either when it first came out |
| 06:33.41 | Macer | had maemo gone a little longer i am sure fmms would have been integrated |
| 06:33.47 | Macer | but it was short lived |
| 06:33.47 | psycho_oreos | Macer, where's the portrait mode? |
| 06:34.00 | Macer | why does a phone require portrait mode to be considered a phone? |
| 06:34.05 | Macer | where is landscape mode on a lot of phones? :) |
| 06:34.09 | psycho_oreos | smartphones by default display things in portrait |
| 06:34.18 | Macer | that is the norm yes.. but so what |
| 06:34.27 | Macer | there is no law requiring phones display in portrait mode |
| 06:34.33 | Macer | not to mention cssu allows it to flip |
| 06:34.40 | tramp | i hated how my droid would flop my screen when i layed down |
| 06:34.44 | Macer | and the phone app also flips when making VOICE CALLS |
| 06:34.49 | psycho_oreos | yeah but CSSU is not by nokia |
| 06:34.52 | Macer | :) like on a phone |
| 06:35.03 | psycho_oreos | Macer, EXCEPT every other things |
| 06:35.06 | Macer | the phone app always flipped |
| 06:35.12 | Macer | even when nokia made it |
| 06:35.13 | Macer | AND |
| 06:35.20 | tramp | it doesnt have to by nokia thats the beaut of the n900 XD |
| 06:35.21 | Macer | nokia kept a "hack" in there to do it |
| 06:35.26 | Macer | which required a keypress |
| 06:35.27 | psycho_oreos | and no, with CSSU you can still lock the phone program in landscape mode |
| 06:35.54 | tramp | are you not a proud n900 owner psycho_oreos ? |
| 06:35.56 | Macer | sorry.. but if it has a cell modem and built in voice calling capabilities.. it is a phone |
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| 06:36.23 | Macer | anything that uses a cellular network for making voice phone calls can be considered a phone |
| 06:36.28 | tramp | the n900 is a computer with cellular capabilities |
| 06:36.40 | Macer | or a phone with computer capabilities |
| 06:36.45 | psycho_oreos | tramp, that doesn't have anything to do with me being proud of my N900. N900 at the end of the day is not a phone. It has a portion of phone functionality but that does not automagically makes it a phone |
| 06:36.48 | Macer | :) |
| 06:36.56 | psycho_oreos | Macer, anything simplified to you is a phone |
| 06:37.02 | tramp | no a computer with phone bilities :) |
| 06:37.05 | psycho_oreos | yeah lets just stereotype |
| 06:37.10 | Macer | tastes great! |
| 06:37.14 | Macer | less filling! |
| 06:37.19 | Macer | lmao |
| 06:37.23 | Macer | old argument |
| 06:37.41 | Macer | psycho_oreos: if i install nitdroid on my phone and it does all these things you say qualifies it to be a phone then is it a phone? |
| 06:37.42 | psycho_oreos | indeed, and you're the one babbling how it is a phone when I said it isn't |
| 06:38.12 | psycho_oreos | Macer, installing nitdroid has nothing to do with N900 being a phone. The device BY DEFAULT, BY DESIGN is not a PURE PHONE |
| 06:38.28 | tramp | so what is your trouble with the n900 psycho_oreos ? |
| 06:38.29 | Macer | so software dictates if a phone is a phone? |
| 06:38.35 | Macer | :) |
| 06:38.44 | psycho_oreos | Macer, that's called programmer error :þ |
| 06:38.44 | Macer | and not the hardware intent |
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| 06:39.05 | psycho_oreos | tramp, follow the argument |
| 06:39.12 | Macer | no.. it's called maemo users not wanting to just give up the NITs |
| 06:39.18 | Macer | change is difficult |
| 06:39.19 | Macer | ask obama |
| 06:39.29 | psycho_oreos | lucky for me to not live in US :þ |
| 06:39.37 | Macer | this advanced power only shows the percentage when not charging |
| 06:39.43 | Macer | it has an infinity symbol lol |
| 06:40.05 | Macer | which is misleading because eventually there will be no power in the universe |
| 06:40.29 | psycho_oreos | maybe you can voice your concern to the appropriate maintainer instead |
| 06:40.30 | tramp | no |
| 06:41.23 | Macer | entropy always wins |
| 06:41.41 | Macer | i was just hoping to have something that shows where the phone is WHILE it is charging |
| 06:41.53 | tramp | see, though energy increases in entropy, there is infinite energy so the postulate that the universe will eventually expire is fallacious :) |
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| 06:41.59 | psycho_oreos | so go write your own |
| 06:42.12 | ShadowJK | the default meter isn't updated while charging |
| 06:42.14 | Macer | energy doesn't increase... it remains the same |
| 06:42.33 | Macer | it only spreads |
| 06:42.56 | tramp | i meant the entrpy of it reaching equillibrium |
| 06:43.08 | ShadowJK | the hwmeter is, but its calibration is off by about 40% by default, and nothing uses it |
| 06:43.31 | tramp | and i think the batt status is hard to measure when it's charging |
| 06:43.49 | Macer | but space itself is in constant increase of volume thus requiring infinate time to reach equillibrium |
| 06:43.52 | ShadowJK | and even less things use the modem's meter, and it seems even more random |
| 06:44.14 | Macer | but then again.. if you're a strings fan.. then the matter repulsion between branes should be low enough for another big bang :) |
| 06:45.10 | Macer | ShadowJK: i see. so no real time charge info ? |
| 06:45.12 | ruskie | http://freecode.com/projects/deforaos-phone |
| 06:45.46 | tramp | increasing volume no decrease entropy, only increase matter |
| 06:46.40 | tramp | infobot, make that make sense |
| 06:46.40 | infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `that make sense'. Stop. |
| 06:46.57 | tramp | urgh |
| 06:46.57 | woldrich | infobot, make world |
| 06:46.57 | infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `world'. Stop. |
| 06:46.57 | Macer | :) increasing volume simulates a decrease of energy due to increased entropy |
| 06:47.08 | Macer | matter never increases nor does energy |
| 06:47.13 | Macer | but space does |
| 06:47.25 | tramp | next up: hacking infobot |
| 06:48.12 | tramp | space wont prevent energy equilibrium |
| 06:48.29 | tramp | infobot ls |
| 06:48.29 | infobot | bash: ls: permission denied |
| 06:48.30 | Macer | like i said tho.. matter repulsion between P-Branes would decrease to the point where another collision would occur and cause a new big bang |
| 06:48.40 | ShadowJK | the hwmeter(bq27200) does it. There's no sane way to integrate its data in the UI though. |
| 06:49.00 | Macer | ShadowJK: ah ok. :-/ ah well.. it is one of those cosmetic things |
| 06:49.17 | Macer | i suppose i can just wait for the pretty light to turn green ;) |
| 06:49.28 | tramp | then the matter on the skirts would die and we'd have to move ever inward in the universe |
| 06:49.39 | tramp | ...to survive |
| 06:49.57 | Macer | lol. there would be no way to survive that |
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| 06:50.59 | tramp | yeah we can just ride to the next bang. assuming there even is a bang |
| 06:51.04 | Macer | depending on the multi-dimentional "position" of the collision.. everything would pretty much be destroyed anyways... if anything probably by the creation of new anti-matter.. which somewhat shows the reason behind matter surviving what we consider the "first" big bang |
| 06:51.54 | Macer | dimensional |
| 06:51.59 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, got a precompiled deb for that? ;) |
| 06:52.00 | Macer | arg |
| 06:52.35 | tramp | i dont think we really understand any of this conjecture, but we need to find out. the sake of the universe is at hand |
| 06:52.57 | Macer | yes.. and when it does make it there... i want my fking n900 to show me how much of a battery charge i have! |
| 06:53.03 | Macer | :) |
| 06:53.20 | Macer | only then can we advance to understand the universe as a whole |
| 06:53.54 | Macer | damnit... i miss lcuk... he would have gotten the joke :-/ |
| 06:54.27 | Macer | puts his n900 death ray away and goes to watch movies about nazis |
| 06:54.29 | tramp | what is hwmeter? does it replace advanced-power |
| 06:55.34 | tramp | and if you dont like capitalism propose something better |
| 06:55.42 | tramp | :) |
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| 06:56.43 | Macer | hitler lost ;) |
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| 06:57.53 | tramp | there is surprisingly a lack of information on hwmeter |
| 06:57.57 | Macer | not that i was a big fan of the holocaust or anti-semitism.. but nazi germany had a good thing going if you exclude the racism |
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| 07:01.59 | cehteh | such as? |
| 07:02.22 | ShadowJK | it's a hardware chip called bq27200 |
| 07:02.27 | ShadowJK | it sits unused |
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| 07:03.49 | ShadowJK | I have a shell script that reads info from it |
| 07:05.10 | tramp | oh bq27200, reminds me of my old droid chip |
| 07:05.21 | tramp | wifi chip |
| 07:05.30 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/bq.tar - needs root, untar it in root's homedir (where you end up after tping 'root' (rootsh from extras needed)), ./bq27200.sh for one-time detailed output, './bq27200.sh 5' for continuous status output. |
| 07:06.07 | ShadowJK | Comes 40% miscalibrated from factory |
| 07:06.08 | tramp | what does it do |
| 07:06.46 | ShadowJK | real-time (well, 5sec interval) voltage, charge-level and charge/discharge rate view |
| 07:06.53 | tramp | bc i dont always run programs to find out what they do |
| 07:07.34 | tramp | is it in the repo? |
| 07:07.39 | ShadowJK | no |
| 07:08.00 | ShadowJK | I don't know how to package stuff |
| 07:08.32 | tramp | i tried packaging stuff from my phone, but i broke it. |
| 07:08.57 | tramp | im going to try again soon |
| 07:09.12 | ShadowJK | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.14 | ShadowJK | 09:07 4097 67 67 636 808 808 808 55 65535 42 0 |
| 07:10.23 | tramp | im not sure what i should do with a voltage reading |
| 07:10.30 | tramp | maybe if i was overclocking..hm |
| 07:10.30 | ShadowJK | Time 09:07, battery voltage is 4097 milliVolts, battery charge state is 67% or 808 mAh, currently charging at 636nA, time to full 55 minutes. Internal temperature 42C. |
| 07:10.42 | ShadowJK | 636mA* |
| 07:10.57 | tramp | oh nice! |
| 07:11.33 | tramp | scrolls back up to link |
| 07:11.56 | tramp | can we get this reading into the applet? |
| 07:12.15 | tramp | are there any known issues? |
| 07:12.20 | ShadowJK | I'm not familiar with advanced-power |
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| 07:12.46 | tramp | if it was a lib, maybe advanced-power maintainer will hook it |
| 07:13.04 | ShadowJK | It probably doesn't work in some versions of kernel-power becuse kp has a module that reserves the hardware resources |
| 07:13.46 | tramp | how hard would it to fix that? |
| 07:14.37 | tramp | i mean, can it be made compatible on hwmeter's side? |
| 07:14.54 | tramp | kp is important to a lot of ppl |
| 07:14.55 | ShadowJK | that kernel module can provide some of the same information, but it's kinda unknown if it's safe or not to have both bme and kernel accessing same hw resources at the same time. Pretty sure it's safe for two userspace non-kernel apps though |
| 07:15.25 | vdv | if i'm trying to build a project for maemo target (from qtsdk/qtcreator) i get "'class QList<QString>' has no member named 'reserve'" error |
| 07:15.42 | vdv | qt project |
| 07:15.48 | vdv | for simulator target build runs normally |
| 07:15.56 | tramp | on what line |
| 07:15.57 | vdv | and building in scratchbox (maemo sdk) is also ok |
| 07:16.14 | vdv | but would get it work from qtcreator |
| 07:16.26 | vdv | something related here: http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/6jz3kXvHh553w3Wa0wpS |
| 07:16.44 | vdv | i.e. seems that include dir of my system qt (4.6.2) is messed up with qt for fremantle |
| 07:17.02 | tramp | why not build it from scratchbox |
| 07:17.11 | Macer | 40% miscalibrated? |
| 07:17.14 | Macer | why? |
| 07:18.41 | tramp | i havent used qtcreator |
| 07:19.29 | tramp | except once in college but that was a long time ago and it was |
| 07:19.59 | tramp | i dont want to talk about it |
| 07:20.06 | ShadowJK | It's calibrated for 2000mAh battery. Either they were planning to use a bigger battery, or the chips come set for 2Ah from TI by default. In any case, since they didn't have time to actually use the chip it was left with the incorrect settings |
| 07:20.50 | ShadowJK | it's fixed in harmattan allegedly ;-) |
| 07:21.37 | tramp | cant you figure the true numbers from the builtin ones |
| 07:22.51 | Macer | they should have used a larger battery |
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| 07:23.07 | ShadowJK | You need to hookup equipment to the chip in question in order to change its settings |
| 07:23.33 | Macer | why not just adjust the program for the calibration? |
| 07:23.52 | tramp | tweak your phone for max batt life, or buy one from me |
| 07:24.02 | Macer | heh |
| 07:24.10 | ShadowJK | There's another way which involves killing bme so the chip is allowed to self-adjust itself, it's designed to constantly learn and adjust battery capacity as a battery degrades with time, but bme shuts down phone too early |
| 07:24.16 | tramp | :) |
| 07:24.20 | Macer | yeah.. get someone to mae a 2aH battery |
| 07:24.49 | Macer | make |
| 07:25.02 | ShadowJK | there's a 2.4Ah battery |
| 07:25.08 | ShadowJK | double thick :) |
| 07:25.09 | Macer | bme seems to be a pain overall |
| 07:25.17 | jonwil | I suspect that most of what BME does is overkill and could have been done at a much lower level |
| 07:25.24 | jonwil | though this charging chip |
| 07:25.35 | Macer | watching the meego guys deal with bme and the nitdroid guys.. it was always fun |
| 07:25.37 | tramp | ShadowJK: just compute the true values from the old ones, assuming you know the batts max capacity etc |
| 07:26.24 | Macer | i think it is funny that when your battery is completely dead bme can't seem to get to a point where it charges |
| 07:26.28 | tramp | no need to overwite anything.. |
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| 07:26.57 | tramp | what Macer |
| 07:27.07 | ShadowJK | Macer; no that works fine |
| 07:27.43 | Macer | tramp: have you ever had your phone reboot 20 times to try to start charging? :) |
| 07:28.11 | Macer | hm. my battery widget is reading the pattery temp at -40C again |
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| 07:28.35 | tramp | ShadowJK: e.g. 2000mAh is default, if 1000mAh is the true value, then divide all your measurements by two |
| 07:29.02 | Macer | if it has this good of a voltage at -40C imagine what it will do at room temp |
| 07:29.09 | Macer | tramp: it's 1350 isn't it? |
| 07:29.24 | Macer | most will probably hit 1250-1300 |
| 07:29.30 | ShadowJK | tramp; though if chip has somehow completed a learning cycle it'll then be off by 1/6th less than before :P |
| 07:29.33 | tramp | that sounds right since he said 40 percwent off |
| 07:29.55 | ShadowJK | 2000/1320 |
| 07:30.18 | ShadowJK | my 1 year old Nokia original is down to about 1100mAh now |
| 07:30.24 | HaXeri | i try to download psx4all maemo edition but the installtion process fails for some reason |
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| 07:30.37 | HaXeri | where to find compatible binaries? |
| 07:30.49 | tramp | are you saying the 2000mAh changes after a learning cycle |
| 07:30.53 | HaXeri | i have newest stable maemo5 release |
| 07:31.12 | HaXeri | do i have to enable extras-devel to install it |
| 07:31.24 | ShadowJK | tramp: yes |
| 07:32.06 | tramp | ShadowJK: how do you know what its at? you could just set that in hwmeter settings maybe? |
| 07:32.26 | tramp | ShadowJK: ah ok |
| 07:32.38 | ShadowJK | ./bq27200.sh without a number. "Last Measured Discharge" |
| 07:32.53 | tramp | HaXeri: what does it say |
| 07:33.15 | Macer | ShadowJK: 1100 is kind of low :) |
| 07:34.33 | tramp | Macer: i never experienced rebooting when charging, maybe its bc you keep your batt in a deep freezer |
| 07:34.57 | Macer | you just haven't managed to completely drain it yet |
| 07:35.02 | Macer | some day it will happen |
| 07:35.03 | Macer | :) |
| 07:35.39 | tramp | HaXeri: you said the installation fails for some reason. what reason is that? |
| 07:35.46 | Macer | i wonder if my phone was made with a stronger usb port since it was made in finland :) |
| 07:36.18 | tramp | not all n900s are made in finland? |
| 07:36.37 | Macer | i would assume very few were made in finland |
| 07:36.40 | Macer | and most in korea |
| 07:36.47 | ShadowJK | When completely drained the hw will independelt ycharge battery until there's enough to boot os, nolo then holds off booting linux until it thinks there's enough, linux is booted and bme takes over, act_dead mode shows charging notification and blinks led |
| 07:37.01 | tramp | ive drained my batt beyond the autoshutdown limit b4 |
| 07:37.33 | tramp | how did you fix your 20 reboots? |
| 07:37.40 | Macer | ShadowJK: i've had my hardware stuck on stupid one time |
| 07:37.44 | ShadowJK | installing power-kernel, multiboot, uboot and similar things seem to cause autoreboots in act_dead mode :P |
| 07:37.47 | Macer | tramp: honestly.. just let it keep rebooting |
| 07:38.04 | Macer | eventually... it caught |
| 07:38.21 | Macer | maybe it was beause it was an asian made n900 :-P |
| 07:39.37 | tramp | ShadowJK sounded right, it should charge even if the device cant run |
| 07:39.50 | ShadowJK | both my made in koreas do it fine |
| 07:41.57 | psycho_oreos | personally cannot wait for the next retarded comment sprouting out of Macer's mouth |
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| 07:42.30 | tramp | lol |
| 07:43.58 | psycho_oreos | Maybe decades in time he'll be sprouting nonsense about made in Africa, probably in clutches too |
| 07:44.06 | tramp | hey, if i make money selling preconfigured n900s, can i pay you to finish hwmeter? |
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| 07:45.04 | tramp | how do you justify an open source software expense in business? |
| 07:45.55 | ShadowJK | you mean you can actually obtain working N900s? |
| 07:47.45 | tramp | yes |
| 07:48.07 | tramp | but dont buy them i might need them |
| 07:48.22 | psycho_oreos | yes, mum |
| 07:48.38 | tramp | \./ |
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| 07:49.46 | psycho_oreos | contemplates of buying yet another one.. this time from amazon ;p |
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| 07:50.04 | psycho_oreos | one less N900 for you ;p |
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| 07:54.13 | tramp | lol |
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| 07:55.40 | tramp | you just bought an n900 out of spite? |
| 07:57.18 | Macer | lol |
| 07:58.11 | Macer | psycho_oreos: sorry but when comparing the origin of products most of asia is not too high on the quality list |
| 07:58.44 | Macer | and unfortunately... most if not all phones come from asia |
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| 07:59.04 | Macer | and marked up 1000% |
| 07:59.19 | Macer | based on pretty lights and animations |
| 07:59.33 | psycho_oreos | tramp, I could have just to piss you off but then I could be completely sarcastic.. (note the hint on: yes, mum) |
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| 07:59.40 | tramp | and the english language support |
| 07:59.54 | Macer | heh |
| 08:00.33 | psycho_oreos | Macer, marking it up is not the fault of the quality.. sure some countries do not have proper QA but that's the original manufacturer at fault for not properly caring about QA let alone worker safety. They all care about money at the end of the day |
| 08:00.57 | tramp | dont be embarassed you can pretend im your mum |
| 08:00.59 | tramp | its ok |
| 08:01.02 | Macer | hm. my original battery is 1220mAh |
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| 08:01.27 | psycho_oreos | tramp, no thanks. I am quite happy with my mum as it is :þ |
| 08:01.41 | tramp | really? |
| 08:02.03 | psycho_oreos | -> #offtopic |
| 08:02.05 | Macer | psycho_oreos: exactly. make a lot. if break. replace. <- asian manufacturing mantra |
| 08:02.41 | psycho_oreos | Macer, if it wasn't for the westerner's concept of having a manufacturing line no? |
| 08:03.04 | psycho_oreos | where's the love, care and attention to detail these days? thrown out the window |
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| 08:03.20 | Macer | sure has been |
| 08:03.42 | Macer | recalls are cheaper nowadays |
| 08:03.49 | Macer | because of cheap parts |
| 08:03.57 | Macer | cheaply made everything |
| 08:04.03 | tramp | psycho_oreos: you mean mass production? |
| 08:04.08 | psycho_oreos | and lets just go mock some asian country because their QA is completely off the scale and that they operate in sweatshops |
| 08:04.16 | Macer | i would pay a premium on a non asian made phone any day |
| 08:04.33 | psycho_oreos | tramp, or that |
| 08:04.37 | tramp | LOL Macer |
| 08:04.47 | Macer | of course :) slaves usually only care about the stick and not the carrot |
| 08:05.07 | tramp | so youre dogging the industrial revolution? |
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| 08:05.30 | psycho_oreos | Macer, I totally love your idea, but I'm sure nokia wouldn't satisfy your needs. Neither would 85% of the manufactured goods would |
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| 08:05.46 | vdv | hi all |
| 08:05.47 | psycho_oreos | tramp, don't blame me for someone who decides to mock about cheap labour |
| 08:05.49 | Macer | i can buy US food ;) |
| 08:06.35 | vdv | anyone here using qtsdk/qtcreator to build a qt project for maemo? |
| 08:06.38 | psycho_oreos | Macer, and US clothing? and cars made and assembled in US? and computer that has all the materials made n US? |
| 08:06.46 | Macer | nope |
| 08:06.49 | psycho_oreos | s/made n/made in/ |
| 08:06.57 | vdv | and was it successfull? |
| 08:07.12 | Macer | but we still sell crude raw materials and food.. at least we have that |
| 08:07.18 | Macer | blame the epa |
| 08:07.43 | Macer | china will kill its own people and ruin the planet for its "revolution" |
| 08:08.02 | Macer | keep its yuan overvalued |
| 08:08.09 | tramp | O.o |
| 08:08.23 | Macer | all for the sake of a cheaply made iphone |
| 08:08.29 | tramp | where are you from Macer |
| 08:08.35 | Macer | marked up like Jordans |
| 08:08.48 | Macer | Chicago |
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| 08:09.16 | psycho_oreos | and lets not forget too that the Chinese at one stage bought the US currency |
| 08:09.33 | Macer | another mistakd :) china is the enemy |
| 08:09.38 | Macer | mistake |
| 08:10.10 | Macer | ah well.. i am honestly happy that i have a finland n900 |
| 08:10.11 | tramp | ... |
| 08:10.24 | Macer | ironically... purchased from hk :) |
| 08:10.29 | tramp | where are from psycho_oreos |
| 08:10.34 | Macer | awesome |
| 08:10.51 | psycho_oreos | tramp, motherland: Taiwan; fatherland: Australia |
| 08:12.05 | psycho_oreos | tramp, you? |
| 08:12.06 | vdv | is it possible with qtsdk/qtcreator to build qt project for fremantle target? |
| 08:12.06 | tramp | i just come from one land... |
| 08:12.06 | Macer | isnt taiwan just off mainland china? |
| 08:12.06 | tramp | do lands have sex? |
| 08:12.06 | tramp | oh your mom and... |
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| 08:12.06 | tramp | oooh |
| 08:12.27 | psycho_oreos | vdv, not sure, have you tried #qt though? |
| 08:13.57 | tramp | psycho_oreos: i havent heard you say 'mate' once yet |
| 08:13.59 | tramp | why dont u have an aussie accent |
| 08:13.59 | psycho_oreos | tramp, I haven't heard your answer yet |
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| 08:15.01 | Macer | time to back this phone up |
| 08:15.01 | tramp | looks for question |
| 08:15.01 | tramp | USA |
| 08:15.20 | tramp | not chicago tho |
| 08:15.48 | tramp | chicago says the darndest things |
| 08:16.10 | psycho_oreos | tramp, well I sort of do have aussie accent and I sort of don't. Mind you Aussies aren't the only one that uses `mate' amongst the plethora of other jargons. Then again I haven't heard you saying `bro' or `buddy' either |
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| 08:17.06 | psycho_oreos | thought the Texans were worse than Chicago but *shrugs* never been there apart from Florida |
| 08:17.18 | tramp | yeah im unusual in that way |
| 08:17.44 | tramp | you traced me |
| 08:17.57 | psycho_oreos | wha? |
| 08:18.10 | tramp | im not from texas, but close |
| 08:18.50 | psycho_oreos | not saying you were, I was commenting to what you said about Chicago people say the darndest things :) |
| 08:19.02 | tramp | on the internet, cultures tend to blur |
| 08:19.49 | psycho_oreos | and using slangs is one way to make others guess more easier where you were from. Not that it matters but hey |
| 08:19.54 | tramp | i hardly say bro, you hardly say mate, and Macer hardly ...well some are still blurring |
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| 08:22.50 | psycho_oreos | heh new language, Internet English? ;) |
| 08:23.23 | tramp | haha |
| 08:23.33 | jacekowski | slaps you all |
| 08:24.19 | tramp | n0 rly the interweb lang has alrdy ben inventd |
| 08:24.56 | psycho_oreos | sees jacekowski's hand is glowing red and is predicting that his hand will become dark purple coloured |
| 08:25.50 | psycho_oreos | o gawd d shortword, i h4te 2 try n figur it all out |
| 08:25.59 | tramp | no hes right, were getting stupider |
| 08:26.44 | psycho_oreos | inevitably |
| 08:28.09 | tramp | so we should try to reverse entropy |
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| 08:31.15 | tramp | macer said we need spacial expansion and a multidimensional explosion |
| 08:31.59 | Macer | we will never get the job done if the spaceships are made in china |
| 08:32.09 | Macer | hides |
| 08:32.47 | merlin1991 | This channel went 100% OT |
| 08:33.00 | RST38h | What job? |
| 08:33.23 | RST38h | If you mean reducing world's population, exploding it in spaceships is not the most effective way. |
| 08:33.49 | Macer | RST38h: preventing the destruction of the universe... luckily my n900 can teleport me to another multiverse |
| 08:34.27 | Macer | installs newlife from extras-multiverse |
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| 08:35.25 | Macer | hm.. advanced power's times are in use | idle ? |
| 08:35.26 | tramp | apt-get remove newlife |
| 08:36.03 | tramp | yes, is that confusing? |
| 08:36.05 | Macer | idle is showing 170:00 |
| 08:36.13 | Macer | seems kind of low |
| 08:36.14 | merlin1991 | dpkg -r *life* |
| 08:37.18 | merlin1991 | By the way, of the currently talking people, whos's running cssu? |
| 08:37.19 | Macer | but the battery widget is showing roughly 6 hours |
| 08:37.27 | Macer | i am |
| 08:37.36 | Macer | i think everybody here is |
| 08:37.57 | RST38h | everybody I guess |
| 08:38.21 | merlin1991 | will need about 5 testers for the *stable* branch of cssu before unleashing it to the repos eventually |
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| 08:38.40 | tramp | not me |
| 08:38.52 | tramp | im running stock |
| 08:39.02 | tramp | just flashed |
| 08:39.06 | Macer | there you go. let tramp be the tester |
| 08:39.08 | Macer | lol |
| 08:39.16 | merlin1991 | Perfect candidate :) |
| 08:39.25 | tramp | huh |
| 08:39.29 | merlin1991 | (reflash is needed for stable) |
| 08:39.29 | tramp | uh..hehe |
| 08:39.43 | Macer | im sure maemo testers are hard to come by nowadays |
| 08:39.46 | tramp | ok |
| 08:40.06 | tramp | glad to be of service |
| 08:40.30 | Macer | just copy your backupmenu backups somewhere safe lol |
| 08:40.35 | tramp | this will actually be the first time i ran cssu |
| 08:40.47 | tramp | theres nothing to backup |
| 08:40.47 | Macer | it isnt much different |
| 08:40.52 | Macer | oh |
| 08:40.57 | Macer | well nm then lol |
| 08:40.58 | tramp | oh except one thing |
| 08:41.19 | Macer | i tweaked my n900 to death |
| 08:41.35 | merlin1991 | You still got time, test repo for stable will be avaiable later this week |
| 08:41.49 | Macer | i need to do one more thing to make it just as perfect as my last one pre-usb breaking :'( |
| 08:41.50 | tramp | is the backup menu very good, i was using rdiff-backup |
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| 08:42.13 | Macer | i only used it once.. seemed to work |
| 08:42.26 | Macer | well.. more like 3 times |
| 08:42.43 | Macer | it does what it is supposed to |
| 08:43.02 | tramp | is there a script for testing cssu? |
| 08:43.18 | tramp | i mean a test script not a shell script |
| 08:43.26 | Macer | you have to flash the n900 i suppose |
| 08:43.42 | tramp | i mean a list of things to check |
| 08:43.59 | Macer | have to ask merlin1991 :) |
| 08:44.29 | tramp | 91, is that cat 20 yrs old? |
| 08:44.54 | merlin1991 | List of things to test are: does it install, do qt apps still work, do qtm apps still work |
| 08:45.24 | tramp | qtm.. |
| 08:46.45 | tramp | is this info posted anywhere |
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| 08:46.49 | vdv | /opt/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/include/QtCore/qvariant.h:592: error: 'QVariant' is not a member of 'QMetaType' |
| 08:47.09 | merlin1991 | Not yet as the test repo is not there yet |
| 08:47.28 | tramp | sounds like more missing libraries, vdv |
| 08:47.38 | tramp | will it be? |
| 08:47.54 | tramp | the info |
| 08:48.26 | merlin1991 | Yes, I'll write it up somewhere when the packages are ready |
| 08:48.28 | tramp | so i can look at it more closely when im testing it |
| 08:48.51 | tramp | Great, thanks |
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| 08:48.57 | merlin1991 | Probably will add more things to test to the list |
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| 08:49.23 | tramp | Fantastic |
| 08:49.59 | tramp | ill try not to brick my phone this week then |
| 08:50.41 | merlin1991 | How do you usually brick it? |
| 08:51.21 | tramp | oh, well...let methink |
| 08:52.09 | tramp | last week i spilt water on it, but it turned out it was just that i uninstalled every package, ... |
| 08:52.29 | tramp | before that... |
| 08:53.28 | merlin1991 | I reflashed yesterday (enabled unstable feature in h-d -> rebootloop) |
| 08:54.09 | tramp | i filled up my /tmp with dpkg-depcheck data and then rebooted bc i thought /tmp was a memory filesystem |
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| 08:54.31 | tramp | i thought it would clear it, but instead it wouldnt boot |
| 08:55.02 | tramp | h-d? |
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| 08:55.21 | merlin1991 | Hildon desktop |
| 08:55.29 | tramp | ah |
| 08:56.52 | tramp | i dont remeber the one b4 that, but the one b4 that was just a corrupt sdcard from copying files via usb with a low-batt |
| 08:57.27 | tramp | fortunately i only a few files i really missed |
| 08:57.49 | tramp | s/only/only lost/ |
| 08:58.14 | tramp | infobot echo $PATH |
| 08:58.14 | infobot | $PATH |
| 08:58.26 | tramp | ... |
| 08:59.07 | tramp | infobot find --max-depth 1 |
| 08:59.52 | tramp | infobot help |
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| 09:02.12 | Macer | ugh |
| 09:02.13 | tramp | infobot cat /etc/passwd |
| 09:02.14 | infobot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down /etc/passwd's pants |
| 09:02.30 | tramp | lol |
| 09:02.31 | Macer | i have to edit the keyboard map to get my su8w working properly |
| 09:02.42 | tramp | infobot cat Macer |
| 09:02.43 | infobot | ACTION shoves a feral cat down Macer's pants |
| 09:02.52 | Macer | sounds about right |
| 09:02.54 | Macer | :) |
| 09:03.06 | tramp | su8w? |
| 09:03.09 | Macer | but that is the last thing i need |
| 09:03.11 | psycho_oreos | infobot, lart Macer |
| 09:03.11 | infobot | squeezes Macer till Macer turns blue like papa smurf |
| 09:03.26 | Macer | nokia bt keyboard |
| 09:03.34 | tramp | like papa smurf lol |
| 09:03.39 | Macer | got it years ago with my n95 |
| 09:03.59 | tramp | no Macer, just install extkbd |
| 09:04.03 | Macer | worked great on my n900... edited the keymap |
| 09:04.10 | jaska | infobot, lart infobot |
| 09:04.10 | infobot | turns jaska into a lifesized tux doll |
| 09:04.10 | Macer | i still have to edit the keymap |
| 09:04.16 | jaska | :D |
| 09:04.24 | Macer | so enter works when it is closed |
| 09:04.41 | tramp | heh |
| 09:05.01 | psycho_oreos | infobot, lart itself |
| 09:05.01 | infobot | burns psycho_oreos to a crisp with a laser |
| 09:05.18 | Macer | will do it tomorrow... sleepy now |
| 09:05.24 | Macer | gn |
| 09:06.19 | tramp | extkbd fixes the mapping |
| 09:06.40 | tramp | ...automatically when you plug in a kbd |
| 09:07.47 | tramp | it also overwrites your current kbd mapping, so back it up, and you might have to modify it to work with extkbd |
| 09:08.24 | tramp | infobot lart himslef |
| 09:08.24 | infobot | installs a bad bootloader on himslef and turns himslef into a brick |
| 09:09.06 | tramp | lol i did it |
| 09:09.36 | tramp | infobot rm * |
| 09:09.36 | infobot | * is an unperson |
| 09:09.51 | psycho_oreos | infobot, lart ｉｔｓｅｌｆ |
| 09:09.51 | infobot | eats ｉｔｓｅｌｆ and falls over dead |
| 09:10.01 | tramp | wow |
| 09:10.47 | tramp | infobot ls |
| 09:10.47 | infobot | bash: ls: permission denied |
| 09:10.49 | merlin1991 | infobot is a genious :D |
| 09:11.01 | merlin1991 | infobot ls / |
| 09:11.14 | tramp | infobot pwd |
| 09:11.14 | infobot | i guess pwd is $pwd |
| 09:11.17 | hiemanshu | infobot: die |
| 09:11.17 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 09:11.25 | kerio | D: |
| 09:11.32 | kerio | hiemanshu: how could you |
| 09:11.33 | merlin1991 | this is getting kinda odd :P |
| 09:11.38 | kerio | infobot: nuke hiemanshu |
| 09:11.39 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at hiemanshu ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 09:12.03 | merlin1991 | hm, some of those chars of boom didn't arrive here correctly |
| 09:12.10 | psycho_oreos | infobot, lart kerio |
| 09:12.10 | infobot | beats kerio into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 09:12.13 | tramp | infobot sudo ls |
| 09:12.26 | merlin1991 | lovely rectangles |
| 09:12.45 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, indeed, using xchat? |
| 09:12.54 | merlin1991 | nope quassel |
| 09:13.11 | tramp | I SAID SUDO! |
| 09:13.28 | psycho_oreos | ahh bugger |
| 09:13.33 | jonwil | bah, I give up on trying to figure out the virtual keyboard |
| 09:13.44 | tramp | what? |
| 09:14.11 | tramp | oh you mean the symbols popup window? |
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| 09:14.59 | jonwil | well there is that and there is also a proper virtual keyboard |
| 09:15.02 | jonwil | how you activate that one I dont know |
| 09:15.04 | jonwil | but its there |
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| 09:15.31 | tramp | ive seen the setting for it, but i dont know what it is |
| 09:15.41 | merlin1991 | settings -> text-input -> use virtual keyboard |
| 09:15.49 | tramp | i have every key i need with my modified rx-51 file |
| 09:16.38 | tramp | braces, brackets, pipes, ... |
| 09:16.39 | merlin1991 | but why would one want to use the vkbd on the n900? |
| 09:16.54 | tramp | except i havent copied it over this flash yet |
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| 09:17.14 | tramp | i dont know what the vkbd even is!! |
| 09:17.20 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: one handed usage? |
| 09:17.46 | merlin1991 | tramp vkbd is virtual keyboard |
| 09:17.54 | tramp | "how can i type even slower?" |
| 09:17.56 | merlin1991 | and hiemanshu it's landscape only one handed is portait for me |
| 09:18.17 | tramp | i know its a vkbd, but is a vkbd!? |
| 09:18.20 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: one handed usage for people with big hands? :P |
| 09:18.26 | hiemanshu | tramp: virtual keyboard :P |
| 09:18.50 | tramp | u.u |
| 09:18.52 | Macer | the vkb in maemo is horrible |
| 09:19.19 | Macer | i am not a big vkb fan to begin with but the one in maemo is especially horrible |
| 09:19.19 | merlin1991 | hiemanshu: my thumb only reaches about 60% of the n900 screen when holding it in landscape one handed, so defenitely not for me :P |
| 09:19.48 | tramp | i know vkb stands for virtual kbd, what is a virtual keyboard |
| 09:19.59 | Macer | hm. i need to see if any of these stock widgets are worthwhile |
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| 09:20.15 | merlin1991 | tramp: I'll do you an awesome screenshot of the maemo5 vkbd awesomenes |
| 09:20.27 | Macer | i am sure they aren't.. i'd love to be able to have them refresh every 1s :) |
| 09:20.47 | Macer | merlin1991: can i see it? |
| 09:20.54 | Macer | is it some non-stock customized one? |
| 09:20.57 | tramp | you dont mean the symbols popup menu do you? |
| 09:21.06 | merlin1991 | tramp nope I don't mean that |
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| 09:21.14 | tramp | hmm |
| 09:21.21 | merlin1991 | hm how does one take a screenshot from ssh? |
| 09:21.33 | merlin1991 | can't use ctrl+shift+p since that closes the vkbd :D |
| 09:21.43 | tramp | does ctrl-p not work? |
| 09:21.46 | Macer | lol! |
| 09:21.52 | tramp | w/e |
| 09:22.00 | Macer | wtf.. is it an ncurses kb? |
| 09:22.01 | Macer | :) |
| 09:22.05 | tramp | lol |
| 09:22.08 | Macer | with mouse support |
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| 09:22.22 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, there's a screenshot tool which I think is part of cpu/mem applet |
| 09:22.33 | tramp | there should be a script for ss'ing |
| 09:22.54 | Macer | to get a bt keyboard workign properly you have to edit the keymap then disable the vkb |
| 09:22.56 | psycho_oreos | well screenshot/screen recorder tool really |
| 09:23.18 | Macer | i had it working so nicely... autoconnected the bt and disconnected and it all worked... that is why a piece of me died inside when my last n900 broke |
| 09:23.27 | villager | merlin1991: plenty of those screenshots on google image search... |
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| 09:23.38 | merlin1991 | villager: too easy! |
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| 09:24.38 | Macer | i wish the n900 had full device encryption |
| 09:24.40 | Macer | that would be great |
| 09:25.04 | Macer | i was surprised the asus transformer had it |
| 09:25.44 | tramp | it can run dm-crypt with kp |
| 09:27.25 | Macer | amazon sells a synology ds411j diskless for $359 and with 4x1TB for $760 |
| 09:27.51 | Macer | $400 seems a little steep for 4x1TB |
| 09:28.13 | tramp | Macer: why dont you just install extkbd from appman to auo-set your kbd mapping? |
| 09:28.33 | jrayhawk | Yeah, the n900 uses an initfs, so dm-crypting root is not particularly hard. |
| 09:28.49 | Macer | for ~$500 you can get 4x3TB |
| 09:28.57 | jonwil | adds hildon input method libs to the list of libraries he could reverse engineer if he only had header files for them |
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| 09:29.07 | tramp | im not sure if you can encrypt the rootfs tho |
| 09:29.17 | Macer | tramp: because you still have to map the enter key to work propery when the phone is closed |
| 09:29.21 | Macer | i ran into this problem before |
| 09:29.43 | Macer | if you disable the vkb then pressint enter will act somewhat similar as a "mouse click" |
| 09:29.51 | Macer | which normally would bring up the vkb |
| 09:30.09 | tramp | jonwil: you can RE, but you cant derive header files? |
| 09:30.13 | Macer | if you edit the map for the US 104 keyboard and remap it a bit it works perfectly.. extkbd does not do this correctly |
| 09:30.34 | jonwil | Not when there are funky undocumented structures involved |
| 09:30.43 | jonwil | when you have a function that returns an unknown structur |
| 09:30.45 | Macer | unless it has been updated and i don't know about it :) i will try it out later today and let you know |
| 09:30.46 | jonwil | or takes one as a paremter |
| 09:30.48 | jonwil | its hard |
| 09:31.55 | tramp | ok, i guess they arent OS either |
| 09:32.01 | jonwil | nope they arent |
| 09:32.15 | tramp | Macer: have you reported the bug? |
| 09:32.18 | jonwil | Thats where the problem comes from with most of these libs I want to reverse engineer |
| 09:32.25 | Macer | tramp: there is still maemo bug reporting? |
| 09:32.31 | merlin1991 | WTF? my n900 decided to stop accepting my ssh key |
| 09:32.35 | tramp | I think I remember experiencing that myself |
| 09:32.43 | Macer | last time i tried that it was "WONTFIX.. WONTFIX... WONTFIX... WONTFIX" |
| 09:33.14 | Macer | i thought the greatest one was when i said "Maemo 4 had su8w support which worked flawlessly yet this ability was removed in Maemo 5 (along with the direct configuration of other Bluetooth keyboards) |
| 09:33.18 | Macer | " |
| 09:33.19 | Macer | WONTFIX |
| 09:33.54 | Macer | and that was when Nokia was running the show.. damn snobs.. i hope they got fired when they went to Winmob |
| 09:34.05 | Macer | the whole lot of them |
| 09:34.10 | jonwil | The lack of headers for libconnui and libconnui_cell is the biggest reason my work with the connectivity UI is going nowhere |
| 09:34.21 | tramp | Macer: youre saying there is no bug reporting bc maintainers wont fix, right? |
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| 09:35.11 | merlin1991 | what can possibly invalidate my ssh key for the n900 ssh server? |
| 09:35.33 | jrayhawk | merlin1991 Are you sshing with -u user? |
| 09:35.50 | tramp | jonwil: i thought n900 packages had to be OS |
| 09:35.54 | jrayhawk | err, user@ |
| 09:35.56 | jonwil | nope |
| 09:35.58 | jonwil | they dont |
| 09:36.05 | merlin1991 | jrayhawk: no, but you just explained me what I did wrong |
| 09:36.07 | jonwil | plenty of the N900 is closed source |
| 09:36.08 | Macer | tramp: i would say there is no bug reporting being done because most of the projects are abandoned :) |
| 09:36.09 | merlin1991 | forgot the root@ |
| 09:36.21 | jonwil | including most of the nice bits |
| 09:36.39 | jrayhawk | ewww, direct root logins |
| 09:36.42 | Macer | and maemo itself is working off a dedicated skeleton crew of people here making it better with what little resources they have |
| 09:36.48 | merlin1991 | jrayhawk: why not? |
| 09:36.52 | tramp | jonwil: oh those libs were made by nokia |
| 09:36.59 | jonwil | yeah |
| 09:37.02 | jonwil | Nokia made them |
| 09:37.02 | tramp | sorry following 3 convos |
| 09:37.07 | jonwil | so has no obligation to release them |
| 09:37.15 | tramp | :/ |
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| 09:37.18 | Macer | just curious.. who is running maemo.org nowadays? |
| 09:37.45 | tramp | jonwil: thats why i left droid |
| 09:38.49 | jonwil | N900 is more open than most Android handsets |
| 09:38.51 | jrayhawk | single-factor security for root is uncomfortably risky in my book, but to each their own. |
| 09:39.15 | Macer | jonwil: i think they are equally closed ;) |
| 09:39.33 | tramp | Macer: instead of hacking a solution to the kbd problem, fix the broken package and reupload it |
| 09:40.00 | Macer | are the keymaps part of extkbd? |
| 09:40.05 | jrayhawk | I run pretty much everything with PermitRootLogin no, PasswordAuthentication no, and require all elevation to go through sudo. |
| 09:40.06 | Macer | it's like.. 2 lines in the keymap |
| 09:40.20 | Macer | but you can't use the vkb after that |
| 09:40.34 | Macer | unless someone finds a cleaner way to do it |
| 09:41.14 | Macer | tramp: this problem is in tmo from the before time... :) i remember trying to get this going when i first got my first n900 when it first came out |
| 09:41.17 | tramp | i know extkbd overwrites rx-51 |
| 09:41.25 | Macer | extkbd wasn't there yet |
| 09:41.40 | Macer | extkbd also uses other mapping files for the types of keyboards |
| 09:41.53 | Macer | but then again.. it may work now... i will try it later .. right now i'm going to bed.. it is 3am here |
| 09:42.06 | tramp | hmm |
| 09:42.08 | tramp | ok |
| 09:42.35 | Macer | for myself i believe it was the type of keyboard |
| 09:42.39 | Macer | i had to edit the US file |
| 09:42.54 | Macer | or the US 104... i forget.. it has been a while.. i will blog about it later :-P |
| 09:43.11 | jonwil | wishes -dev packages for more of these libraries were available |
| 09:43.15 | Macer | lol |
| 09:43.24 | merlin1991 | tramp: http://87.106.163.159/~christian/vkbd.png |
| 09:43.29 | jonwil | Would be so useful for work I am doing |
| 09:43.36 | tramp | jonwil: yes |
| 09:43.38 | Macer | i haven't really done much to http://tech.rancorous.net |
| 09:43.42 | merlin1991 | for the record `gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png` to take a screenshot from ssh |
| 09:43.43 | Macer | i don't even know if it is still running |
| 09:43.47 | Macer | :) it has been a while |
| 09:43.49 | Macer | been busy |
| 09:45.17 | jonwil | wishes people like qwerty12 were still around |
| 09:45.20 | tramp | lol such an intuitive cmd for ss |
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| 09:45.57 | tramp | jonwil: to help you RE the libs |
| 09:46.01 | tramp | ? |
| 09:46.11 | jonwil | yeah, that guy was good at that sort of thing |
| 09:46.16 | jonwil | as far as I know |
| 09:46.30 | Macer | jonwil: i miss qwerty12 too :'( and lcuk |
| 09:46.37 | Macer | what happened to qwerty? |
| 09:46.45 | jonwil | I dont know |
| 09:46.49 | Macer | qole too |
| 09:46.51 | Macer | penguinbait |
| 09:46.54 | Macer | sigh |
| 09:47.00 | tramp | well, depending on how much you need RE'd you can get some info abount the strucs |
| 09:47.39 | jonwil | how? |
| 09:47.50 | merlin1991 | needs to compile another version of mad-developer |
| 09:48.09 | tramp | *thinking* |
| 09:48.23 | merlin1991 | I'm getting tired of SECURITY BREACH ssh warnings because n9 and n900 use same ip on usb-networking |
| 09:48.29 | psycho_oreos | qwerty12 rage quitted, lcuk passed away, qole now mainly focuses on harmattan and penguinbait left |
| 09:48.39 | tramp | too many questions! |
| 09:48.42 | jrayhawk | yeah, it sure would be sweet if ssh keys were indexed by, you know, key |
| 09:49.00 | tramp | ok, can you load the libs in a debugger? |
| 09:49.03 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, you can set N9 with different IP/subnet/gateway you know? |
| 09:50.04 | tramp | jonwil: can you load the libs in a debugger? |
| 09:50.04 | jrayhawk | merlin1991You can selectively disable checks for |
| 09:50.10 | jrayhawk | certain hosts |
| 09:50.13 | jonwil | if using the debugger would help, I would have done so |
| 09:50.23 | jonwil | I can already get things in GDB but that doesnt help |
| 09:50.56 | jacekowski | jonwil: what do you need? |
| 09:51.24 | psycho_oreos | packages/stuff behind vkbd |
| 09:51.34 | jonwil | yes I am trying to reverse engineer the vkb stuff |
| 09:51.42 | jonwil | but for that I have x86 packages |
| 09:51.48 | merlin1991 | thanks psycho_oreos, knowing how the n900 behaved I didn't think the n9 would remember those settings |
| 09:52.02 | jonwil | so x86 hex-rays is the best option to reverse engineer those |
| 09:52.33 | jonwil | The libs I am really stuck on due to no x86 packages are libsrv_um, libpvr2d, libconnui and libconnui_cell |
| 09:52.38 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, N9 doesn't save those settings? wow that's really useful hey? I guess you'll just have to place N900 in different setup then |
| 09:52.53 | merlin1991 | psycho_oreos: it does |
| 09:52.57 | tramp | jonwil: then it's down to RE'ing the strucs in asm... |
| 09:52.58 | merlin1991 | but I thought it doesn't |
| 09:53.05 | jonwil | yeah :( |
| 09:53.09 | merlin1991 | because the n900 doesn't :D |
| 09:53.22 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, actually N900 does |
| 09:53.27 | merlin1991 | mine doesn't :D |
| 09:53.50 | psycho_oreos | I have two N900 with completely different IP/subnet/gateway setup. I have had them on USB networking before |
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| 09:53.55 | merlin1991 | restarted mad-developer and settings were back to old system |
| 09:54.05 | psycho_oreos | I never used mad-developer |
| 09:54.25 | merlin1991 | it's a convenient ui except for that little flaw |
| 09:54.56 | tramp | if it was written in C, it wont be that hard, it should be accessed in a straightforward way |
| 09:55.10 | jonwil | yeah those libs are still hard though |
| 09:55.24 | jonwil | callback functions are one of the most annoying things |
| 09:55.40 | tramp | well it depends how much you need RE'd |
| 09:55.55 | tramp | i wouldnt want to break down 15 strucs |
| 09:56.05 | jacekowski | n900 is dead |
| 09:56.16 | psycho_oreos | useful comment... |
| 09:56.19 | tramp | and then what do you need out of them? |
| 09:56.39 | jaska | sure, but, n9 is keyboardless and contains hitlerware (drm), thus it does not exist to me |
| 09:57.33 | Shadikka | Hitlerware... that's a good term, now. |
| 09:58.28 | tramp | the n900 is still the most powerful phone. It cant die until its surp+sed |
| 09:58.51 | psycho_oreos | rolls eyes |
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| 09:58.58 | jonwil | I think the #1 wish I have right now is for help to figure out the prototype of the functions in libimlayouts.so.0 labeled imlayout_vkb_xxx |
| 09:59.52 | tramp | things dont die when theyre a few years old, they die when theyve been replaced by something better |
| 10:00.32 | tramp | did you figure out the calling convention yet? |
| 10:01.04 | jonwil | well they should be standard C calling convention |
| 10:01.14 | jonwil | but I cant figure out the parameters or return types or any structures involved therein |
| 10:02.05 | Shadikka | I'd love to help, but I'm pretty sure I'm more eager than I would be of actual help. |
| 10:02.15 | tramp | can you load it in IDA? |
| 10:02.26 | jonwil | I can but that doesn' |
| 10:02.32 | jonwil | doesn't get me anywhere |
| 10:03.05 | tramp | you can find the sizes of the strucs by their size on the stack, trace their access... |
| 10:03.20 | psycho_oreos | tramp, I think you're mistaking the fact that jonwil doesn't need you to tell him what to do but to rather actually give him a hand in reverse engineering |
| 10:03.51 | tramp | and for paramters you have to trace the data back through the caller..hm |
| 10:04.17 | tramp | psycho_oreos: unfortunately, all i have is my phone |
| 10:04.53 | tramp | but im typing as fast as i can! |
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| 10:07.24 | tramp | i used to have a computer, but it was stolen |
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| 10:08.35 | merlin1991 | tramp: how did you flash then? oO |
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| 10:09.28 | tramp | oh yes, i sent it back to nokia and they flashed it for me |
| 10:09.38 | tramp | ^^ |
| 10:09.50 | tramp | wonderful chaps |
| 10:10.32 | tramp | after i sat my broken phone for a week |
| 10:10.52 | tramp | that was when i uninstalled all packages |
| 10:11.44 | tramp | usually i just use someone elses computer. i put the flasher on my flashdrive |
| 10:12.26 | tramp | in my defense, i thought the water killed it and thats why i sent it in |
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| 10:12.56 | merlin1991 | I'll make sure to test cssu doesn't brick the phone before I let you test then :D |
| 10:13.54 | tramp | haha ok thx |
| 10:21.16 | tramp | gl jon, you can do it |
| 10:22.19 | tramp | see you tomorrow |
| 10:24.06 | jonwil | ok, time to figure up my Linux box and grab the x86 file for hildon-western-fkb :) |
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| 10:32.25 | jonwil | ooh good, hildon_im_widget_load is open source |
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| 10:48.00 | Macer | lol.. so if i put the N900 down now... and leave it alone.. it will stay alive for 182 hours? :) |
| 10:48.11 | Macer | be for serious.. this thing is not being realistic lmao |
| 10:48.33 | brik | you should try |
| 10:49.16 | Macer | brik: it is impossible |
| 10:49.21 | Macer | can't help but tinker with it |
| 10:49.35 | Macer | right now i'm trying to figure out what damn stock ticker symbols this app is using |
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| 10:49.54 | Macer | i ca't seem to get the averages to add to the widget :( |
| 10:50.11 | Macer | the typical ones don't work. like DJIA ... or .DJI |
| 10:51.12 | jonwil | I think I am getting closer to figuring out this SOB :P |
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| 10:58.21 | Macer | hm |
| 10:58.26 | Macer | it looks like it may use NYSE tickers |
| 10:58.45 | Macer | argh.. i wish there was a stock widget for maemo that just looked it up by typing it into a search :) |
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| 11:00.18 | Macer | ugh |
| 11:00.22 | Macer | it sure does.... finally |
| 11:00.27 | Macer | that makes life a lot eaier |
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| 11:05.18 | Macer | OMG no it doesn't |
| 11:05.20 | Macer | wth |
| 11:05.28 | Macer | i need to figure out what tickers markets today uses |
| 11:05.31 | Macer | it's driving me nuts |
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| 11:10.59 | merlin1991 | Yay tracker went berserk |
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| 11:12.03 | merlin1991 | And lost the db |
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| 11:18.49 | Macer | ok this is just weird |
| 11:19.02 | Macer | i can add the everything but ^DJI |
| 11:19.05 | Macer | it's driving me crazy |
| 11:21.05 | Macer | the russel.. nasdaq and S&P 500 add fine |
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| 11:46.13 | Macer | oh |
| 11:46.19 | Macer | yahoo is broken |
| 11:46.26 | Macer | /MyDocs/Downloads/quote-0.05 $ perl quote ^DJI |
| 11:46.26 | Macer | Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at quote line 87. |
| 11:46.51 | Macer | their dji quote is broken lol |
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| 11:49.45 | Macer | /MyDocs/Downloads/quote-0.05 $ perl quote ^IXIC |
| 11:49.45 | Macer | ^IXIC: 2686.15 +0.00 (+0.00%) @4:30pm |
| 11:50.11 | Macer | nasdaq works. this is why people should just use google... their stuff works |
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| 12:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | (<merlin1991> I'm getting tired of SECURITY BREACH ssh warnings) ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root IroN900 |
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| 12:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: quite convenient to have an alias, a function, or a shellscript for that |
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| 12:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you *might* also be interested in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-sftp and http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh |
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| 12:41.16 | achipa | X-Fade: ping - autobuilder bork |
| 12:42.09 | Macer | ok.. this may seem a little silly but.. how do i keep the screen unlocked for apps but keep the desktop locked? |
| 12:42.29 | Macer | turning the auto orientation on makes the desktop rotate and it is stupid because that obviously doesn't work correctly |
| 12:42.37 | MohammadAG | screen locked? |
| 12:42.43 | Macer | but if i force landscape the apps won't rotate |
| 12:42.51 | MohammadAG | orientation? |
| 12:42.54 | Macer | yes |
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| 12:43.15 | Macer | when i disable the landscape from the applet... the desktop rotates |
| 12:43.28 | Macer | if i force it into landscape no apps will do it even if they have an option to do so |
| 12:43.31 | X-Fade | achipa: What's up? |
| 12:43.37 | Macer | i want to lock the desktop but allow the apps to rotate |
| 12:44.13 | achipa | X-Fade: autobuilder stuck since yesterday evening |
| 12:44.55 | X-Fade | achipa: Hmm no builds going on. |
| 12:45.22 | achipa | exactly, and since I'm trying to fix QtMobility it's a bit of a pain :) |
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| 12:46.32 | X-Fade | achipa: Ehm, there are just no files in incoming-builder? |
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| 12:47.12 | achipa | X-Fade: unpossible ? I uploaded libqtm-12 noon-ish today, but nothing happened |
| 12:47.15 | Macer | ok seriously |
| 12:47.25 | Macer | there is no way to keep the desktop from rotating but allowing the apps to do so? |
| 12:47.27 | achipa | X-Fade: (noon EST) |
| 12:47.30 | X-Fade | achipa: ah, rejected. |
| 12:47.46 | achipa | okay... but got no mail about the rejection :S |
| 12:48.19 | achipa | and even failed builds are supposed to show up on the latest builds, right ? |
| 12:48.20 | X-Fade | achipa: Oh, no. that was an older build. |
| 12:48.27 | X-Fade | achipa: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2011-November/date.html#end |
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| 12:49.58 | achipa | X-Fade: note that the message ends with "building...", never gets to OK or publishing it |
| 12:50.11 | X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, the last one is curious. |
| 12:50.21 | X-Fade | achipa: But that one is not old. |
| 12:50.46 | achipa | well, like 3 hours |
| 12:50.51 | X-Fade | achipa: Can you upload again, so I can watch what is going on? |
| 12:50.55 | achipa | sure |
| 12:51.05 | achipa | X-Fade: should I bump versions ? |
| 12:51.22 | X-Fade | achipa: I don't think so. |
| 12:52.01 | Macer | wow |
| 12:52.13 | Macer | silly shit like this makes me want to flash PR1.3 onto it again |
| 12:52.36 | achipa | X-Fade: upped |
| 12:52.55 | X-Fade | achipa: Ok, building. |
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| 12:56.16 | Macer | omg this doesn't make sense |
| 12:56.28 | Macer | is there some type of orientation setting i am missing somewhere? |
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| 13:06.04 | achipa | X-Fade: got the same (half)mail |
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| 13:06.59 | X-Fade | achipa: I see an input/output error. |
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| 13:08.56 | X-Fade | achipa: Crap, some issues with NAS. |
| 13:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: there's some blacklist |
| 13:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: don't ask me where and how it works, it's all *very* bleeding edge all this rotation stuff and I *hate* it |
| 13:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: bash MohammadAG |
| 13:11.05 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i don't understand. there is no way to prevent the desktop from rotating yet allow apps to rotate?? |
| 13:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also /join #maemo-ssu |
| 13:11.15 | X-Fade | achipa: rebuilding again. |
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| 13:11.31 | Macer | if you use the applet then the rotation is global |
| 13:11.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm there? |
| 13:11.41 | Macer | it either all rotates or none of it |
| 13:11.47 | MohammadAG | Macer, what do you want exactly? |
| 13:11.58 | Macer | i want apps to rotate.. like the phone app |
| 13:12.01 | Macer | but not the desktop |
| 13:12.10 | Macer | i want it to work like it used to work :) |
| 13:12.11 | MohammadAG | desktop as in home? |
| 13:12.17 | Macer | yes |
| 13:12.26 | Macer | the way it works now... everything rotates or nothing rotates |
| 13:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: I made exactly that (dialer rotates, nothing else though), check: |
| 13:12.39 | Macer | the phone will not rotate if "force landscape" is set in the applet |
| 13:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~jr-tools |
| 13:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 13:12.46 | infobot | i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 13:12.52 | MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/desktop_orientation_lock -t bool true |
| 13:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | or that :-D |
| 13:13.10 | Macer | i have to do that every time the phone boots? |
| 13:13.14 | Macer | :) |
| 13:13.15 | MohammadAG | no? |
| 13:13.22 | Macer | hm |
| 13:13.29 | x29a | or rc.local can do it for you =) |
| 13:13.32 | x29a | yay linux |
| 13:13.49 | Macer | x29a: so... i have to do that every time the phone boots :-P |
| 13:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | x29a: BS |
| 13:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | gconf keys are persistent |
| 13:14.01 | MohammadAG | I thought the point of such configurations was that it was PERSISTENT |
| 13:14.02 | Macer | heh |
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| 13:14.09 | MohammadAG | otherwise we could use dbus |
| 13:15.39 | Macer | uhm |
| 13:15.43 | Macer | is there a apps? |
| 13:15.48 | Macer | /apps/osso... |
| 13:16.08 | x29a | docscrutinizer: chill, pun intended. but even if it wasnt persistent, there is no such thing as _i_ have to do things at every boot |
| 13:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | To get rid of the ubiquitous autorotating while still allowing dialer to switch to portrait mode (doesn't lock microB, for now I will live with it): |
| 13:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false |
| 13:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | reboot |
| 13:16.39 | Macer | ok |
| 13:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 13:17.02 | infobot | hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 13:18.54 | Macer | alrighty. lets see if that works :) |
| 13:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: ^^^ relevant for S |
| 13:19.08 | MohammadAG | you can lock microb |
| 13:19.23 | Macer | the auto rotate would be fine.... if the desktop would reorganize everything |
| 13:19.33 | MohammadAG | organize it yourself |
| 13:19.34 | Macer | or if there were "2" desktops .. one for landscape and one for portrait |
| 13:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: yes, we know |
| 13:19.43 | MohammadAG | Macer, it's that way now |
| 13:19.48 | Macer | is it?? |
| 13:19.51 | MohammadAG | duh |
| 13:19.57 | Macer | the landscape and portrait aren't the same? |
| 13:20.01 | MohammadAG | again, duh |
| 13:20.11 | Macer | :-P well my icons and stuff got moved from teh landscape mode |
| 13:20.12 | Macer | wtf |
| 13:20.16 | Macer | ok.. well... my bad then |
| 13:20.22 | MohammadAG | reorganize them, they'll be stored |
| 13:20.29 | MohammadAG | there's no algorithm to autosort them |
| 13:20.33 | Macer | ok... did't know that |
| 13:20.34 | MohammadAG | well, initially |
| 13:20.53 | Macer | my bad |
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| 13:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | /join #maemo-ssu ! |
| 13:21.33 | Macer | well.. geez.. now that i know that i want it active |
| 13:21.34 | Macer | lol |
| 13:21.52 | MohammadAG | true -> false |
| 13:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: please, it's kinda OT here |
| 13:22.09 | Macer | really? |
| 13:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | not really, just kinda |
| 13:22.25 | Macer | heh.. yeah.. i'm turning it back on |
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| 13:27.49 | X-Fade | achipa: It worked now. |
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| 17:15.55 | jargon- | DocScrutinizer: thanks, that solved it. :-) |
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| 18:43.39 | jargon- | how to i import flogs calendar into n900? |
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| 18:52.12 | Choom | greetings |
| 18:52.37 | Choom | has anybody here bought the N9 yet? |
| 18:54.35 | Choom | I'm interested in hearing what people think about harmattan, because as far as the hardware is concerned, the phone seems quite overpriced compared to the iPhone 4S |
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| 18:56.06 | Choom | I would like to have an N9 for the nerd stuff (my main phone is the 4S), but am still trying to convince myself into buying it |
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| 18:59.15 | merlin1991 | Choom: get an n900 instead |
| 18:59.36 | merlin1991 | cheaper AND you can do the actual nerd stuff without getting buttfucked by aegis |
| 18:59.53 | Choom | I've had an n900 for years |
| 19:00.05 | Choom | the n9 would be an upgrade to that |
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| 19:00.26 | Choom | at least that's the theory |
| 19:00.32 | NIN101 | ~aegis |
| 19:00.32 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 19:01.12 | Choom | isn't that optional? |
| 19:01.18 | merlin1991 | nope that is inbuilt |
| 19:01.30 | Choom | i.e.: can't you just run unsigned code by telling the phone that you don't care? |
| 19:01.33 | NIN101 | and because of aegis I consider it more like an downgrade in terms of software if you are doing "nerd-stuff". |
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| 19:03.26 | merlin1991 | Choom: you can as long as it's not a kernel module or anything that already resides in the system |
| 19:03.29 | merlin1991 | so upgrades |
| 19:03.30 | merlin1991 | vpn |
| 19:03.36 | merlin1991 | any other fun is not possible |
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| 19:03.56 | merlin1991 | and wtf why is it overpriced compared to the 4s? |
| 19:04.18 | merlin1991 | at least here the 4s is about 100€ more expensive and inferior hardware wise |
| 19:06.02 | Choom | dual core? more resolution? dual gpu? gyroscope? |
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| 19:08.26 | petteri | n9 is the best phone out there by far |
| 19:08.54 | petteri | get it and forget n900 |
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| 19:11.20 | Choom | in terms of user experience, how would you classify the n9 compared to an iphone? |
| 19:11.38 | Choom | it does not have to be better or even match it, I just don't wanna hear that it stutters or the frame rate is generally low |
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| 19:11.47 | Choom | or the touchscreen is irresponsive |
| 19:12.08 | tramp | why don't you get an n900? |
| 19:12.16 | Choom | because I already have one |
| 19:12.22 | tramp | ^^ |
| 19:12.55 | Choom | and it's old, and the interface didn't age well |
| 19:13.18 | Choom | and the user experience is crappy |
| 19:13.21 | tramp | what's wrong with the interface? |
| 19:13.35 | tramp | what's wrong with the user experience?? |
| 19:13.40 | Choom | the frame rate is quite low |
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| 19:14.11 | tramp | really, what is it? |
| 19:14.26 | Choom | the resistive single-touch touchscreen sucks, the interface stutters, the browser has to render stuff as you drag content over the screen, it is a terrible experience for anyone who's used to an iphone |
| 19:14.30 | tramp | It has great resolution |
| 19:15.33 | Choom | I am hoping that the N9 fixes these issues without cutting too much on my ability to tinker with it |
| 19:16.04 | tramp | the resistive single-touch screen is great. You can use any object to tap it, multi-touch is mostly a gimmick anyway. The interface seems fine after I install the speedpatch |
| 19:16.14 | Choom | oh, and the n900 is extremely thick |
| 19:16.23 | tramp | like a computer ;) |
| 19:16.44 | tramp | i like being able to fill its weight in my pocket, so i know its still there |
| 19:16.46 | Choom | tramp: I hate the n900 when it stutters while I scroll over nokia maps; the iOS google maps ap, by comparison, is always at 60fps |
| 19:17.22 | Choom | zooming is a chore on the n900, and worse than that it's also inconsistent, using the volume buttons in the browser and an on-screen controller in the maps app |
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| 19:17.25 | tramp | true, maybe someone should make a google maps app |
| 19:18.02 | tramp | why use the volume controls to zoom, i almost never need anything besides the double-tap autozoom |
| 19:18.46 | Choom | I didn't even know you could zoom by double tapping |
| 19:18.52 | tramp | ;) |
| 19:19.10 | Choom | in any case, dragging anything with a resistive touchscreen is a terrible experience |
| 19:19.15 | tramp | it automatically zooms in on the text or item you tapped, making it fit the screen |
| 19:19.27 | tramp | its perfect, and pwns the iPhones tiny view area |
| 19:19.33 | Choom | yeah, I gathered, it works the same on ios |
| 19:19.49 | tramp | i agree, and the FIND feature in the browser is buggy |
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| 19:20.32 | tramp | i wish firefox would increase of its mobile browser |
| 19:21.00 | tramp | s/increase/increase the speed |
| 19:21.05 | tramp | s/increase/increase the speed/ |
| 19:21.12 | Choom | oh and the n900 is quite thick |
| 19:21.15 | tramp | ... |
| 19:21.20 | tramp | like a computer ;) |
| 19:21.29 | tramp | i like the weight in my pocket |
| 19:21.37 | tramp | i can feel it |
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| 19:22.45 | tramp | i also like supporting companies that support quality, open source, and control over our phones |
| 19:23.29 | Choom | as an argument for being able to touch it with anything, I have a capacitive stylus that I bought for the ipad which obviously works on any capacitive screen, though I seldom use it, as the fingers are good enough due to those screens' sensitivity |
| 19:24.21 | tramp | the cellular network is partially redundant with the internet, and the phone companies arent going to want to give control over our phones because we'll circumvent their outrageous price for their limited network |
| 19:25.09 | tramp | even Nokia is going backward away from phone control |
| 19:25.10 | Choom | I have an unlimited data plan on my ipad, I could easily use it to make only voip calls if I was in the mood to set it up |
| 19:25.41 | tramp | I'm keeping the N900 until someone offers a replacement for this niche |
| 19:25.49 | Choom | which I am not since my voice plan has a lot of voice time included |
| 19:26.15 | tramp | yes, but the dataplan cost a mint, and dont they sell you phone service with that? |
| 19:26.36 | Choom | no, the data plan is just for data, I can't make phone calls with that card |
| 19:26.41 | tramp | you cant get data without buying their voice |
| 19:26.57 | tramp | hmm |
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| 19:27.43 | tramp | with IM voice chat and google voice, you can almost get free calls from any wifi |
| 19:27.45 | Choom | if I stick the card into my iphone and try to make a call, a lady will tell me that my plan does not allow me to make voice calls |
| 19:28.55 | tramp | yeah |
| 19:29.40 | Choom | never tried to make phone calls through google |
| 19:29.53 | tramp | i think the cellular and internet networks should merge and not be redundant |
| 19:30.51 | Choom | one of my issues is that I happen to have one of those epic sequential phone numbers that I don't want to get rid of :P |
| 19:31.21 | Choom | because it's so easy to remember |
| 19:31.25 | tramp | you should be able to build packets and send them through the cellular network |
| 19:31.40 | tramp | heh |
| 19:31.59 | tramp | it should be documented and conform to standards as well |
| 19:32.33 | Choom | well it can be feasibly done with these unlimited data plans, and I believe people who actually care about their phone bills would actually do it |
| 19:33.06 | tramp | is it cheaper to use voice calls through the data plan? |
| 19:33.23 | Choom | it is theoretically free |
| 19:33.38 | tramp | im including the cost of the data plan |
| 19:33.44 | Choom | you pay the data plan as usual, but since it's unlimited, if you have voip you can make calls |
| 19:33.51 | tramp | hmm |
| 19:34.03 | Choom | for me it would be, because my voice plan also includes data |
| 19:34.08 | tramp | i just didnt think you could get data plan without voice service |
| 19:34.14 | Choom | and that data is limited to 1Gb per month |
| 19:34.44 | tramp | i would just get a prepaid dataplan and voice service, its rare im outside of a wifi zone |
| 19:35.05 | tramp | might skip the voice service if the dataplan is reliable enough |
| 19:35.10 | SpeedEvil | Choom: it's not possible to take your number with you when changing providers? I knwo i can here. |
| 19:35.34 | tramp | ...and here |
| 19:35.48 | Choom | SpeedEvil: it is, but you get a warning when someone calls you to inform the person that they are calling a different provider |
| 19:36.02 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 19:36.44 | SpeedEvil | wishes he'd started coding the grocery shopping app. |
| 19:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 19:36.52 | SpeedEvil | hits up tesco.com. |
| 19:37.10 | tramp | what grocery shopping app? |
| 19:37.48 | Choom | tramp: data plans without voice are standard procedure for 3G internet dongles |
| 19:38.52 | tramp | Acknowledged. |
| 19:39.23 | tramp | I'll try that when I shop for phone service |
| 19:39.36 | tramp | SpeedEvil: What grocery shopping app? |
| 19:39.55 | SpeedEvil | A tesco.com app, using their API. |
| 19:40.25 | SpeedEvil | Ideally featuring such things as being able to point phone at barcode, and say 'get me more of this' |
| 19:40.54 | Choom | ouch |
| 19:40.56 | tramp | europe only? |
| 19:41.02 | SpeedEvil | uk only. |
| 19:41.04 | Choom | I've played with barcode reading before, but only for code39 |
| 19:41.24 | tramp | that is an awesome app ive wanted ever since i got a smartphone |
| 19:41.39 | tramp | i only wish it was available in the US |
| 19:41.44 | SpeedEvil | tesco have an API that lets you look up products by barcode. |
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| 19:43.19 | tramp | it's a great idea, i know im not the only one who wants one |
| 19:44.19 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.27 | SpeedEvil | I have 4 supermarkets that will deliver to me. |
| 19:44.28 | tramp | as a high-powered tech with a tricorder in his pocket, why does he have to search the whole damn store to find a price scanner!? |
| 19:44.39 | tramp | nice |
| 19:44.54 | SpeedEvil | In the US, this can't work (outside metropolitan areas. |
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| 19:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | in Germany this can't work as nobody can live from what the supermarket customer is willing to pay for such service |
| 19:45.51 | tramp | i guess you scan a barcode in a store and it checks the price if delivered |
| 19:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Price is 3 quid. |
| 19:46.02 | SpeedEvil | On a tuesday night |
| 19:46.11 | SpeedEvil | It's up to 6 quid on a sunday afternoon. |
| 19:47.44 | neal | DocScrutinizer: One of the stores near me charges 7 Euros to deliver and we use them when we buy a lot / stock up. |
| 19:48.31 | neal | DocScrutinizer: I'm pretty certain another one charges similar prices (but we haven't use them) |
| 19:49.36 | vdv | somebody here who use qtsdk/qtcreator? |
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| 19:50.02 | x29a | vdv: sup? |
| 19:51.09 | vdv | x29a, i just can't get building for fremantle target work with qt sdk 1.1.3 |
| 19:51.58 | vdv | after installing sdk, fremantle toolchain was missing |
| 19:52.04 | x29a | yep |
| 19:52.16 | vdv | i've specified an option to updater |
| 19:52.41 | vdv | so that it's allowed me to choose and install it |
| 19:52.49 | vdv | so, it's now there |
| 19:52.55 | vdv | and building for simulator works |
| 19:53.28 | vdv | but seems madde for fremantle is broken |
| 19:53.30 | x29a | simulator is independant from arm-gcc |
| 19:54.02 | vdv | when i do an arm build wrong headers are processed |
| 19:54.14 | vdv | from my current system qt |
| 19:54.23 | vdv | so build fails |
| 19:54.29 | x29a | do you have a "Maemo" folder in qtsdk folder? |
| 19:54.33 | vdv | yes |
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| 19:55.03 | x29a | whats in it? |
| 19:55.20 | vdv | sysroot and targets dirs are there |
| 19:55.43 | vdv | and it's possible from qtcreator add corresponding qmake |
| 19:55.55 | vdv | toolchain is automatically added |
| 19:55.59 | x29a | yes |
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| 19:56.08 | x29a | so it works from within qtcreator? |
| 19:56.56 | vdv | i can start a build at least |
| 19:57.21 | vdv | but something is wrong with that qmake |
| 19:57.39 | vdv | build fails |
| 19:57.52 | vdv | i can pastebin build output |
| 19:57.57 | vdv | just a sec |
| 19:57.58 | x29a | go ahead |
| 19:58.34 | x29a | vdv: also checkout https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-864 |
| 19:59.49 | vdv | i've used those instructions to download a toolchain |
| 20:01.25 | vdv | so, do you use qtcreator to make a build for maemo at the moment? |
| 20:01.31 | x29a | yes |
| 20:01.36 | vdv | and deploying also works? |
| 20:01.38 | x29a | yes |
| 20:01.41 | vdv | hmm.. |
| 20:01.53 | x29a | vdv: but ive upgraded 1.0 onwards |
| 20:01.57 | x29a | or whatever that version was |
| 20:02.04 | x29a | vdv: does building not work or deploying? |
| 20:02.23 | x29a | you need to be specific with your problems, if you want serious help |
| 20:03.28 | vdv | x29a, both |
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| 20:04.01 | x29a | come to the point, youre wasting my time |
| 20:04.03 | vdv | here http://pastebin.com/V98tvA1U |
| 20:04.07 | x29a | k |
| 20:04.16 | vdv | x29a, sorry |
| 20:04.18 | x29a | lol german |
| 20:04.47 | vdv | under /usr/lib/qt i have system qt installed |
| 20:04.53 | vdv | which is 4.6.2 |
| 20:05.06 | x29a | thats not relevant for the n900 target |
| 20:05.07 | vdv | it shouldn't be used during build process |
| 20:05.48 | x29a | looks like its using /opt/QtSDK/Maemo, which is good |
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| 20:05.59 | vdv | yes |
| 20:06.06 | vdv | qmake runs normally |
| 20:06.27 | x29a | can you post your .pro file as well? |
| 20:06.37 | vdv | of course |
| 20:06.56 | x29a | and you used the qtcreator to add the fremantle target, right? |
| 20:07.20 | vdv | yes |
| 20:07.29 | vdv | i've selected corresponding folder |
| 20:07.53 | vdv | QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/targets/fremantle1.3/bin/qmake |
| 20:08.01 | vdv | here's the pro file: http://pastebin.com/zSxMeQFk |
| 20:08.46 | vdv | it's the pro file of the normal default mobile gui project created in qtcreator |
| 20:10.01 | vdv | is that ok, that toolchain is installed under 4.6.2 dir? |
| 20:10.13 | vdv | qt version there is actually 4.7.0 |
| 20:10.43 | x29a | yep is fine |
| 20:11.53 | vdv | so, what i did is installed sdk version 1.1.3, then used this https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-864 to add maemo toolchain |
| 20:12.50 | vdv | i'm on slackware 13.1 |
| 20:13.17 | vdv | i386, 32bit |
| 20:13.51 | vdv | with qt 4.6.2 under /usr/lib/qt |
| 20:14.48 | x29a | which example are you actually trying to build? |
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| 20:15.05 | x29a | vdv: can you make a minimal testcase? |
| 20:15.14 | vdv | i create a new project |
| 20:15.15 | x29a | like only a mainfunction? |
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| 20:15.28 | vdv | from qtcreator 2.3.0 |
| 20:15.37 | vdv | from wizard |
| 20:16.00 | vdv | Qt-Widget-Project |
| 20:16.14 | vdv | Mobile Application |
| 20:17.19 | vdv | using this instructions http://www.anselmolsm.org/blog/madde-qt-4-7/, i was able to build for maemo target, but it's not possible to tell qtcreator use that version of madde |
| 20:17.58 | vdv | so using those instructions i was able to build from terminal |
| 20:18.40 | vdv | running qmake of "qt4-tools-latest" mentioned in tutorial and then make as normal |
| 20:18.53 | vdv | in tutorial from the link above |
| 20:19.38 | x29a | i didnt have to do any of this |
| 20:20.16 | vdv | understand, it's assumed, that one should be able to build and deploy only using qtsdk |
| 20:20.46 | vdv | x29a, what can you tell about build output? |
| 20:20.47 | x29a | i think you messed it up somewhere, like updating a path or something |
| 20:21.07 | x29a | looks weird, would need to digg into the code, and i have no time to do that |
| 20:21.21 | x29a | vdv: lemme create a package which works for me, so you can test with that |
| 20:21.47 | vdv | it's really weird, /usr/lib/qt/include/QtCore/qatomic_i386.h:132: error: impossible constraint in 'asm' |
| 20:23.07 | vdv | x29a, updating a path? |
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| 20:25.34 | vdv | x29a, do you also use linux version of the sdk? |
| 20:25.42 | x29a | vdv: ok, i just tried creating a mobile qt stub, and it worked, build and deploy |
| 20:25.53 | x29a | vdv: im afraid i cant do a step by step with you |
| 20:25.57 | x29a | yes, ubuntu 10.04 |
| 20:26.10 | vdv | x29a, ok thanks anyway |
| 20:26.28 | x29a | vdv: id advise you to get an "old" qt sdk version, where fremantle is distributed, check if that works, then upgrade with the updater |
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| 20:26.30 | vdv | i'll try to remove sdk, and install again |
| 20:26.38 | x29a | yep, thats your best bet |
| 20:26.47 | x29a | check all steps mentioned in the tuts and so on |
| 20:26.48 | x29a | sorry |
| 20:27.15 | vdv | i think the problem is that slackware is not deb distro |
| 20:27.27 | x29a | no clue |
| 20:27.40 | x29a | certainly adds extra layer of issues |
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| 20:28.56 | vdv | x29a, sorry, do you maybe know where to get old versions of sdk? |
| 20:29.32 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG: ping |
| 20:32.08 | x29a | vdv: nope, but ping me when you find it |
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| 20:39.33 | x29a | vdv: http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/Qt_SDK_Lin32_offline_v1_1_1_en.run |
| 20:40.05 | x29a | http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/Qt_SDK_Lin32_offline_v1_1_en.run |
| 20:40.09 | x29a | and so on |
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| 20:44.51 | zogg_laptop | ruskie: re |
| 20:46.35 | vdv | x29a, ah, good, thanks a lot! |
| 20:46.46 | x29a | good luck |
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| 20:52.07 | zogg_laptop | =( |
| 20:52.31 | zogg_laptop | DocScrutinizer: does MohammadAG start to study already? |
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| 20:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 20:55.23 | zogg_laptop | damn =( |
| 20:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
| 20:57.13 | zogg_laptop | i have an idea about free whatsapp alternative |
| 20:57.27 | zogg_laptop | i was talking with him about |
| 20:57.38 | zogg_laptop | wanted advice |
| 20:58.05 | x29a | zogg_laptop: you gonna call it "i seek you"? |
| 20:58.22 | zogg_laptop | x29a: i found you |
| 20:58.23 | zogg_laptop | =) |
| 20:58.48 | zogg_laptop | there are no whatsapp alternative for n9 or n900 |
| 21:00.38 | Phlogistique | hey, is anyone using a twitter client with several accounts on his n900? |
| 21:00.47 | neal | khweeteur |
| 21:01.22 | neal | you should use this version though: http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/khweeteur.install |
| 21:01.45 | neal | it fixes a number of bugs and adds Woodchuck support (= sane automatic updates) |
| 21:01.55 | neal | Phlogistique: ^ |
| 21:01.58 | Phlogistique | yes |
| 21:01.59 | Phlogistique | thanks |
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| 21:02.30 | zogg_laptop | neal: are you dev btw? |
| 21:02.43 | frals | lol x29a |
| 21:02.58 | neal | zogg_laptop: What do you mean? |
| 21:02.58 | zogg_laptop | neal: tried to talk to khweeteur dev? |
| 21:03.13 | neal | zogg_laptop: I don't understand that either :/ |
| 21:03.13 | x29a | frals: ;) |
| 21:03.14 | zogg_laptop | you made fork with woodchuck or it's khertan? |
| 21:03.31 | neal | he's integrated most of my changes |
| 21:03.32 | Phlogistique | neal: I'm not sure what you mean with "sane automatic updates" though |
| 21:03.42 | neal | bug hasn't made a new release |
| 21:03.49 | zogg_laptop | frals is so in love with n9 i can say it from his tweets =) |
| 21:03.49 | Phlogistique | does the Woodchuck-enabled Khweeteur send data to your Woodchuck server? |
| 21:03.59 | x29a | does it even chuck wood? |
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| 21:04.13 | neal | Phlogistique: There is no woodchuck server on the internet |
| 21:04.25 | neal | Phlogistique: Woodchuck is middleware that runs on the n900 |
| 21:04.36 | neal | Phlogistique: It figures out when to schedule transfers |
| 21:04.41 | Phlogistique | what's Murmeltier then? |
| 21:04.46 | Phlogistique | oh ok |
| 21:04.55 | neal | Phlogistique: murmeltier is an implementation of woodchuck |
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| 21:05.28 | neal | Phlogistique: The original version would schedule updates every 10 minutes, even if you were connected via gprs |
| 21:05.43 | neal | Phlogistique: This is not what most people want |
| 21:05.53 | neal | Phlogistique: Moreover, it wastes battery power |
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| 21:06.25 | neal | Phlogistique: A Woodchuck server integrates environmental factors to determine when to do transfers |
| 21:06.28 | Phlogistique | neal: ok |
| 21:06.34 | Phlogistique | interesting project |
| 21:06.41 | neal | Phlogistique: e.g., whether there is wifi, cellular, how much battery power, etc. |
| 21:07.07 | neal | Phlogistique: If you have a project, I'll help you integrate woodchuck support :) |
| 21:07.38 | Phlogistique | I don't have a project, but I might have one soon if Khweeteur doesn't meet my needs |
| 21:07.44 | clownish | hey. is it possible, that the md5sums of the images at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php are wrong/not updated or something? i downloaded the Fiasco image several times, and never got the md5sum from the MD5SUM file. |
| 21:08.07 | neal | Phlogistique: Don't write another twitter client! :) |
| 21:08.09 | zogg_laptop | btw does khweeteur runs on n9? |
| 21:08.19 | neal | zogg_laptop: Not yet. |
| 21:08.28 | Phlogistique | neal: why not? |
| 21:08.31 | zogg_laptop | and where is twitgo ? or what was the name? |
| 21:08.33 | neal | zogg_laptop: At least, it is not properly integrated. |
| 21:08.48 | neal | Phlogistique: Improve an existing one, instead |
| 21:09.00 | zogg_laptop | neal: i used it everyday when i had n900 =) but a lot of time passed |
| 21:09.24 | Phlogistique | neal: oh. Yes, indeed, why not. |
| 21:10.53 | neal | Phlogistique: would be nicer to a good one then a lot of medicre ones |
| 21:11.17 | Phlogistique | yes |
| 21:11.26 | zogg_laptop | neal: Phlogistique if you want to add too much features amke it modular =) |
| 21:11.33 | Phlogistique | but people needs in Twitter clients can be very different |
| 21:11.46 | Phlogistique | zogg_laptop: I need complicated features, but I hate complicated programs :) |
| 21:13.32 | zogg_laptop | =) |
| 21:13.39 | zogg_laptop | i need to go now |
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| 21:35.48 | vdv | x29a, i've moved my /opt/QtSDK dir to ubuntu vmware host (maemo sdk image) and there building and deploying is ok |
| 21:38.13 | x29a | vdv: good to know, glad you managed to get it running |
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| 21:39.38 | vdv | x29a, taking in account, that nokia doesn't officially support distros other than ubuntu, it was too naive to assume that sdk will work on my slackware |
| 21:40.15 | vdv | inspite all dependencies mentioned on sdk download site are met on slackware too |
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| 21:56.21 | Phlogistique | does khweeter post every tweet to every tweeter account configured for posting? |
| 21:56.33 | neal | no |
| 21:56.54 | neal | only those you tell it to |
| 21:57.39 | Phlogistique | I don't get how you choose which twitter account you want to post to. Or is it only the global setting? |
| 21:57.52 | neal | are you using my version? |
| 21:58.00 | Phlogistique | yes |
| 21:58.12 | Phlogistique | well I think so |
| 21:58.14 | neal | when you tweet, it asks you |
| 21:58.26 | neal | if you have more than one account |
| 21:58.48 | Phlogistique | it crashes all the time though |
| 21:58.55 | neal | those that are select are the default and you can change them |
| 21:58.58 | neal | hmm. |
| 21:59.17 | neal | can you send me ~/.khweeteur/logging |
| 21:59.26 | Phlogistique | (or it closes its mainwindow for a reason I can't understand) |
| 21:59.49 | neal | there is likely a bug |
| 21:59.55 | Phlogistique | there is no such file |
| 22:00.10 | neal | then you aren't using my version |
| 22:00.15 | Phlogistique | only "avatars", "cache" and "topost" |
| 22:00.17 | Phlogistique | oh, ok |
| 22:00.31 | neal | I fixed a lot of bugs |
| 22:00.32 | Phlogistique | there must be some remanence of the previously installed version |
| 22:00.44 | Phlogistique | I'm not sure how to deinstall it better than I did already |
| 22:00.55 | neal | dpkg -P khweeteur |
| 22:01.16 | neal | you can see my changes here: https://gitorious.org/~nwalfield/khweeteur/nwalfields-khweeteur |
| 22:03.03 | neal | or, dpkg -l khwetteur to configure which version you are running |
| 22:03.26 | neal | if you already installed khweeteur from extras, then I don't think HAM will allow you to upgrade it using another repository |
| 22:05.25 | Phlogistique | neal: oh, that's the problem then |
| 22:11.15 | neal | Phlogistique: If you have some time, would you consider reviewing my woodchuck-replaced packages so they can get into extras: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1118751&postcount=4 |
| 22:12.57 | Phlogistique | neal: I will look into that, but I don't know how to do it |
| 22:13.28 | neal | the short version is you install the packages and if they don't break anything, you vote thumbs up |
| 22:13.42 | Phlogistique | How am I installing them if HAM refuses to update Khweeteur? |
| 22:13.56 | Phlogistique | well I can at least install the woodchuck ones |
| 22:14.22 | neal | if you purge khweeteur, then reinstall it, it should work |
| 22:14.27 | neal | the easiest thing might be to: |
| 22:14.32 | neal | dpkg -P khweeteur |
| 22:14.55 | Phlogistique | that's what I did, but I still got Khweeteur 0.5.27 |
| 22:15.01 | neal | append: deb http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck fremantle-1.3 maemo |
| 22:15.09 | neal | to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 22:15.29 | Phlogistique | I have it |
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| 22:15.40 | neal | and then: apt-get install khweeteur |
| 22:15.46 | Phlogistique | well I have the maemo commponent but not the fremantle-1.3 |
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| 22:17.08 | neal | what does apt-cache show khweeteur | grep Version show? |
| 22:18.10 | neal | apt-get install khweeteur=0.6.1-1 |
| 22:18.13 | neal | that should also work |
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| 22:18.39 | Phlogistique | rr http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu fremantle-1.3/fremantle-1.3 Packages 404 Not Found |
| 22:18.40 | Phlogistique | W: Failed to fetch http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/dists/fremantle-1.3/fremantle-1.3/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 22:19.16 | neal | whoah |
| 22:19.22 | neal | how did you get that? |
| 22:19.31 | Phlogistique | apt-get update |
| 22:20.15 | neal | it should be http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/dists/fremantle-1.3/frema\ |
| 22:20.37 | Phlogistique | ok I see the problem |
| 22:20.39 | neal | http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/dists/maemo/fremantle-1.3/binary-armel/Packages |
| 22:20.41 | Phlogistique | it was silly |
| 22:20.52 | neal | what was the problem? |
| 22:23.20 | Phlogistique | I had |
| 22:23.29 | Phlogistique | deb http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck fremantle-1.3 maemo fremantle-1.3 |
| 22:23.32 | Phlogistique | in my sources.list |
| 22:23.40 | neal | did you add that? |
| 22:23.43 | Phlogistique | yes |
| 22:23.46 | neal | or is that from my .install file |
| 22:23.47 | Phlogistique | in the graphical interface |
| 22:24.03 | neal | oh, the .install file should have added the repository |
| 22:24.09 | Phlogistique | yes it has added |
| 22:24.22 | Phlogistique | the repository |
| 22:24.25 | Phlogistique | I was being silly |
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| 22:24.32 | neal | ok :) |
| 22:24.48 | Phlogistique | now I have your khweeteur |
| 22:25.01 | Phlogistique | and I have a Khweeteur crash report |
| 22:25.21 | neal | that's left over from the old version |
| 22:25.24 | Phlogistique | It has sent a bug report to the bugtracker (?) |
| 22:25.37 | neal | if you said yes, then it did |
| 22:26.10 | Phlogistique | is it something to which you have access or should I upload the logging/ file? |
| 22:26.22 | Phlogistique | also does logging/ contain any private information? |
| 22:26.53 | neal | when khweeteur crashes, it creates a crash report |
| 22:27.03 | neal | when khweeteur starts, it checks if there is a crash report |
| 22:27.10 | Phlogistique | I do hope it's not sending what is written in the .log file |
| 22:27.23 | neal | when you started my version of khweeteur, it say a crash report |
| 22:27.28 | neal | s/say/saw/ |
| 22:27.33 | neal | and ask if you wanted to send it |
| 22:27.36 | Phlogistique | yes |
| 22:27.40 | Phlogistique | ok |
| 22:27.48 | neal | if that was the first time you started my version of khweeteur, it was not "my" bug |
| 22:28.03 | neal | the crash report only includes the back trace for the particular crash |
| 22:28.11 | neal | the crash report does not include the log |
| 22:28.13 | Phlogistique | ok |
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| 22:28.25 | Phlogistique | because the log file does contain private information |
| 22:28.33 | neal | the log does not contain your password |
| 22:28.45 | neal | but it does contain events, like what searchs you subscribe to, etc. |
| 22:28.48 | Phlogistique | it contains a token and token secret |
| 22:28.56 | Phlogistique | that enables posting on my behalf |
| 22:28.58 | Phlogistique | < |
| 22:29.04 | neal | oh, that should be removed |
| 22:29.05 | Phlogistique | (oops) |
| 22:29.09 | neal | good point |
| 22:29.51 | neal | do you have the surrounding test? |
| 22:29.56 | neal | text, rather |
| 22:30.09 | Phlogistique | I just revoked the access |
| 22:30.13 | Phlogistique | so I can send the full text |
| 22:30.21 | neal | ok |
| 22:30.36 | neal | anyways, the logging files are not uploaded |
| 22:31.41 | Phlogistique | http://neetwork.net/up/misc/logging/ |
| 22:35.49 | neal | great, I've fixed the bug |
| 22:35.53 | neal | it will be in the next version |
| 22:36.41 | Phlogistique | thanks! |
| 22:38.20 | neal | do you want to be thanked in the change log? |
| 22:39.25 | Phlogistique | It was mainly you helping me out so I don't think there is any need. |
| 22:39.44 | neal | you found the bug :) |
| 22:39.51 | neal | or, at least observed it |
| 22:45.07 | Phlogistique | Installed the murmeltier, apt-woodchuck and smart-storage-logger |
| 22:45.36 | Phlogistique | not sure what I do know |
| 22:45.47 | Phlogistique | if nothing bad happens in a day, I upvote you? |
| 22:45.56 | neal | something like that :) |
| 22:46.29 | neal | you can read about the programs on my homepage |
| 22:46.46 | neal | other programs that are woodchuck enabled are feedingit (an rss reader) and gpodder (a podcast manager) |
| 22:47.47 | Phlogistique | I have seen that |
| 22:47.53 | neal | ok |
| 22:48.23 | neal | if khweeteur doesn't meet your needs, I'd be interested to hear why |
| 22:50.14 | Phlogistique | well for starters I'd prefer several timelines for my several accounts |
| 22:50.33 | Phlogistique | but it's hard to implement in a small screen |
| 22:50.40 | neal | yes |
| 22:50.50 | Phlogistique | (while keeping the whole experiense snappy I mean) |
| 22:51.09 | neal | and where do you put all the buttons? |
| 22:51.44 | Phlogistique | that's the problem. the standard solution is using horizontal scrolling for this |
| 22:52.06 | Phlogistique | Maybe I should get into the code and implement it |
| 22:52.28 | Phlogistique | I'm not a huge C++ fan though |
| 22:52.43 | neal | it's python |
| 22:52.51 | Phlogistique | oh, cool |
| 22:53.06 | Phlogistique | cloning it |
| 22:56.07 | neal | Phlogistique: I'd recommend cloning my repo |
| 22:56.14 | neal | https://gitorious.org/~nwalfield/khweeteur/nwalfields-khweeteur |
| 23:03.22 | Phlogistique | that's what I did |
| 23:03.44 | Phlogistique | what's nwalfiels? is it your name? |
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| 23:04.13 | neal | walfield is my last name, yes |
| 23:04.27 | neal | s is used to form the genetive |
| 23:04.33 | Phlogistique | oh. |
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