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| 00:11.18 | psycho_oreos | ahh fsck PEBKAC error: multitasking with many linux nodes and issued right set of commands to the wrong target (converting an existing ext3 partition with ext3 when its supposed to be vfat to ext3). More joy when it comes to recovery *ugh* |
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| 00:12.21 | valentin2 | hi guys |
| 00:12.39 | psycho_oreos | hai |
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| 00:13.44 | SpeedEvil | hai! |
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| 00:13.51 | valentin2 | i havn't found anyone online in the UI channel, so i thought it's better showing my idea in this channel |
| 00:14.13 | valentin2 | http://vale2k7.deviantart.com/ |
| 00:14.50 | SpeedEvil | Looks interesting. |
| 00:15.07 | valentin2 | thx |
| 00:15.27 | SpeedEvil | I question how much you can do with the existing framework though. Is it just straight to the existing apps? |
| 00:15.29 | valentin2 | do you have any experiance in coding and stuff? |
| 00:15.50 | valentin2 | yep, just with the existing apps |
| 00:16.12 | SpeedEvil | If I was as good a brain surgeon as a coder, I can just about perform a lobotomy. |
| 00:16.13 | valentin2 | i just thought about a nw way to interact with the handheld |
| 00:16.26 | SpeedEvil | you swipe from the middle to the outside? |
| 00:17.04 | valentin2 | you mean the lockscreen? |
| 00:17.11 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:17.21 | valentin2 | take a look at the top |
| 00:17.46 | valentin2 | on the left sife you should swipe your finger on to the right side in a circle |
| 00:17.52 | valentin2 | to unlock it |
| 00:17.57 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:18.01 | valentin2 | side* |
| 00:18.09 | SpeedEvil | Neat. |
| 00:18.15 | SpeedEvil | It looks like the columbus app. |
| 00:18.20 | SpeedEvil | a bit |
| 00:18.30 | valentin2 | i wanted everything to be like in a circle |
| 00:18.52 | psycho_oreos | looks like some sort of a watch based UI |
| 00:18.55 | valentin2 | do you know else first? |
| 00:19.01 | valentin2 | or first else |
| 00:19.36 | psycho_oreos | not off my head, I hardly look at UI improvements/designs myself |
| 00:19.47 | valentin2 | ok |
| 00:19.57 | valentin2 | then you HAVE TO take a look at that one |
| 00:20.02 | valentin2 | just a moment |
| 00:20.14 | psycho_oreos | the link you made just then? I did and I commented it |
| 00:20.38 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, in many ways, ideas are easy. |
| 00:20.50 | valentin2 | nope |
| 00:20.54 | valentin2 | other link# |
| 00:20.55 | psycho_oreos | implementation is always hard :) |
| 00:21.02 | valentin2 | just looking for it, pls give me a second |
| 00:22.01 | valentin2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRDm2VXByYs |
| 00:22.08 | valentin2 | this is just to demonstrate |
| 00:22.36 | valentin2 | it's been a project of the company "emblaze" |
| 00:23.17 | valentin2 | they finished development on the device, wanted to sell it, but couldn't find any investors |
| 00:23.26 | valentin2 | sad, but true |
| 00:24.03 | valentin2 | so i took that one and thought about what one could do to improve it and bring it on maemo |
| 00:24.19 | valentin2 | just to show what maome or linux generally is capable of |
| 00:24.30 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 00:24.46 | SpeedEvil | It's a damn shame that good projects don't get funded. |
| 00:24.55 | valentin2 | yep |
| 00:25.17 | valentin2 | i also sent an email to emblaze just to ensure that the project is dead |
| 00:25.31 | valentin2 | and asked if any prototypes still exist |
| 00:25.34 | valentin2 | no answer.. :( |
| 00:26.03 | valentin2 | and thats just one of many vids about that device |
| 00:26.22 | valentin2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHghZnOH8dA |
| 00:26.35 | valentin2 | just the vids are amazing |
| 00:28.07 | SpeedEvil | There are regrettably other issues. |
| 00:28.20 | SpeedEvil | While the company may have died, t's not unlikely it's applied for patents. |
| 00:28.42 | SpeedEvil | Those patents do not cease to exist simply because the company has died - they likely have been bought by someone. |
| 00:30.24 | valentin2 | could be |
| 00:30.33 | valentin2 | just noone knows |
| 00:30.50 | valentin2 | and eccept of that, i changed everything |
| 00:31.00 | psycho_oreos | that looks pretty interesting the whole UI, it seems to slow down the device a little and yes its a shame that it never became a mainstream device |
| 00:31.01 | valentin2 | i just took the idea of a circle |
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| 00:32.04 | valentin2 | that's why know i'm looking for devs to take this idea and realizing it |
| 00:32.15 | valentin2 | now* |
| 00:32.44 | valentin2 | i think it could change the whole interaction with data and stuff |
| 00:33.02 | valentin2 | on any device |
| 00:33.23 | valentin2 | indifferent being a desktop or a handheld |
| 00:34.05 | jonwil | I now know the prototype of every single function called by the conversations app :) |
| 00:34.25 | valentin2 | :D |
| 00:35.08 | valentin2 | poorly i don't have any experiance in coding |
| 00:35.32 | valentin2 | otherwise i'd have already started working on something |
| 00:37.46 | valentin2 | all i can do is designing and making *.svg mockups |
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| 00:46.00 | valentin2 | nobody wanty to give it a try? |
| 00:46.02 | valentin2 | s* |
| 00:48.01 | psycho_oreos | I'm not particularly good at making such UI into reality :þ |
| 00:48.46 | valentin2 | you're developer at all? |
| 00:49.58 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 00:50.18 | psycho_oreos | pretty much just a intermediate linux user |
| 00:50.26 | valentin2 | ok |
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| 00:59.01 | valentin2 | could i post that idea anywhere so the devs can see that idea? |
| 00:59.57 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, thanks for the tip, got the gripper the other day and it's actually quite comfortable |
| 01:00.11 | woldrich | http://i.japh.se/_photo/n900_gamegripper.jpg |
| 01:00.49 | psycho_oreos | valentin2, tmo threads maybe under UI development? |
| 01:01.00 | valentin2 | yeah |
| 01:01.21 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, damn I wanted to buy one ;) |
| 01:01.25 | valentin2 | just sad that i douldnt find anyone online in tha ui development channel |
| 01:01.29 | valentin2 | :( |
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| 01:04.30 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, it's still for sale, not that many still in stock |
| 01:04.50 | psycho_oreos | I really don't have any other suggestions. There's very little amount of developers left and they're either busy contributing patches to CSSU or their own programs. Though for the media player, that might be an idea for the open media player by MohammadAG. The problem is will he take that onboard or not. The rest are more or less proprietary and lacks a developer to write the underlying sources |
| 01:04.54 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, interesting |
| 01:05.00 | Macer | woldrich: nice! |
| 01:05.00 | Macer | haha |
| 01:05.08 | Macer | game grip! |
| 01:05.40 | Macer | do bt gamepads not work in maemo? |
| 01:05.46 | Macer | like a ps3 one or something else? |
| 01:06.10 | woldrich | it should work, my ps3 controller works with the cable |
| 01:06.22 | psycho_oreos | i.e. USB hostmode? |
| 01:06.26 | Macer | oh |
| 01:06.33 | Macer | don't you have to make an adapter for usb hostmode? |
| 01:06.36 | valentin2 | psycho_oreos: that's sad...:( |
| 01:06.39 | Macer | i would rather avoid the usb port ;) |
| 01:06.41 | Macer | and use a usb one |
| 01:07.04 | psycho_oreos | valentin2, partially nokia takes the blame here fyi.. most of the maemo framework is really closed |
| 01:07.55 | psycho_oreos | not to mention nokia killed maemo and left it to hang |
| 01:07.59 | valentin2 | ...and that's called open source device.. |
| 01:08.04 | woldrich | yeah, I hacked together some bizarre adapter thingy from parts I found on the floor under the bed |
| 01:08.41 | woldrich | but it's not something I'd carry around on the bus or whatever |
| 01:08.59 | psycho_oreos | the grass is always greener on the other side :) you can always try and look for another device that has as much functionality as N900 and with updated hardware and that it would run something at least open in some retrospects |
| 01:09.28 | Macer | wth is up with 80s women and those pants that go up to their stomach? |
| 01:09.30 | Macer | lmao |
| 01:10.03 | psycho_oreos | woldrich, duct tape helps ;) and when they give you the stare, you tell them you're a game developer.. the kids will go "oooooooooh! can I haz some?" :3 |
| 01:10.25 | valentin2 | what the hack :D |
| 01:10.55 | woldrich | psycho_oreos, :D |
| 01:12.05 | valentin2 | psycho: what kind of device? |
| 01:13.03 | psycho_oreos | valentin2, I was blatantly sarcastic. You won't find any alternatives to N900 in terms of openness, with loads of hardware features and has at least more updated hardware (as of 2009 of course) |
| 01:15.06 | valentin2 | makes me kinda sad |
| 01:16.35 | psycho_oreos | sadly this is the reality, I'm sure you're not the only one that has bright ideas for UI innovations that could change the landscape of how one interfaces with the device but maemo/meego are somewhat a dead and shrinking platform |
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| 01:17.18 | valentin2 | dead just beacause devs dont get any money on developing it further |
| 01:17.44 | psycho_oreos | partially that and because the lack of manufacturer contribution |
| 01:17.51 | valentin2 | if they'd get some investors, i think it could take its way |
| 01:18.06 | valentin2 | sure |
| 01:18.12 | valentin2 | also of hardware lack |
| 01:18.19 | SpeedEvil | If I could get some investors, I'd make a stab at an open phone. |
| 01:18.20 | SpeedEvil | If... |
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| 01:19.46 | valentin2 | i'd be happy having some devs working on any project of mine...i have a lot, not just this interface |
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| 01:21.19 | LaoLang_cool_ | How to get the last on screen message poped up, it's disappeared so quickly... |
| 01:21.29 | LaoLang_cool_ | Or is there a log file for it? |
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| 01:23.47 | valentin2 | sry dont know.. |
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| 01:24.26 | psycho_oreos | doubt it, you mean banner type messages? |
| 01:24.55 | LaoLang_cool_ | psycho_oreos: yes |
| 01:25.10 | LaoLang_cool_ | it's duration is so short |
| 01:25.25 | psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool_, maybe try re-executing the program again? |
| 01:25.56 | psycho_oreos | or redo the steps to produce that banner |
| 01:25.58 | LaoLang_cool_ | psycho_oreos: some message is event info, doesn't relative to the program running |
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| 01:26.40 | LaoLang_cool_ | For example, recaller has made a record, it will say it, rerun it doesn't make sense |
| 01:26.45 | psycho_oreos | LaoLang_cool_, I wouldn't know then. There's bazillion possible messages that would appear as banner |
| 01:26.55 | LaoLang_cool_ | psycho_oreos: yes |
| 01:27.00 | LaoLang_cool_ | psycho_oreos: thanks all the same |
| 01:27.20 | LaoLang_cool_ | the time is so short, is it configurable? |
| 01:28.07 | psycho_oreos | iinm the banner appears for 3 seconds but then if you press the screen when the banner appears it may disappear upon screen event |
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| 01:49.00 | Macer | geez. i don't remember my n900 taking this long to charge |
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| 01:58.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | I seem to recall a database involved in notifications |
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| 06:30.28 | jonwil | bah, I cant get anywhere with reverse engineering the "conversations" app unless I can find someone who knows stuff about telepathy :( |
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| 07:52.54 | Macer | blah |
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| 07:53.06 | Macer | copying stuff over wifi so i don't have to touch the usb port lol |
| 07:53.20 | Macer | i am so paranoid about the usb port in my new n900 that i wish i didn't have to touch it altogether |
| 07:53.28 | Macer | i need to find a compatible charging pad |
| 07:55.12 | Macer | hm |
| 07:59.02 | jonwil | is bored :( |
| 08:01.18 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, ever recovered any ext3 data? |
| 08:01.25 | jonwil | nope |
| 08:07.12 | ShadowJK | make a image copy before attempting any fsck on flash medias |
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| 08:10.16 | psycho_oreos | its not that, I stupidly executed mkfs.ext3 on the wrong target. I've already dumped the image and used photorec on it but I'm not getting any filenames back, just the files :/ |
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| 08:10.30 | cityLights | hi all |
| 08:10.37 | cityLights | buy.com has the n810 at 130$ |
| 08:10.55 | cityLights | and I have being considering buying it for the last two days |
| 08:12.53 | joga | does someone know where drnoksnes actually stores its configuration? by default it should be in ~/.config/drnoksnes.conf, but the launcher tells it to look for it in /usr/share/games/drnoksnes/drnoksnes.conf, but the content of that file looks like a desktop icon?? |
| 08:13.05 | joga | and certainly doesn't contain my configuration, which still works |
| 08:13.39 | joga | "desktop icon" meaning a .desktop file for hildon basically |
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| 08:14.24 | joga | meh I'll just install strace.. |
| 08:19.52 | joga | ...didn't help :) |
| 08:20.42 | joga | I suppose javispedro knows about it, but I'm just kinda baffled how it's supposed to work |
| 08:26.33 | joga | the problem I have is that at least with a certain game, I can play it, but if I go back to the menu, there's no Continue/Restart buttons and I have to kill drnoksnes to get it working again |
| 08:27.08 | joga | and it usually has been working so that I can simply press my way out of it and it'll pause it nicely |
| 08:30.21 | joga | hmm...though I can apparently work around that by opening the rom selection dialog, then closing it, and now I got the buttons clickable again and can even close drnoksnes without killing it |
| 08:31.02 | joga | what I'm wondering is if it's normal that I can't find where it stores its config and the apparent "config" file is not a config file at all imo |
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| 09:10.34 | Macer | wifi xfering over sshfs is murdering my battery |
| 09:11.16 | slonopotamus | so don't do it |
| 09:11.58 | psycho_oreos | he has to because he doesn't want to ruin his USB socket |
| 09:12.14 | psycho_oreos | you may as well leave it on permanent charge anyway |
| 09:16.31 | Macer | lol |
| 09:17.01 | Macer | i am going to get a hol of a duracell mygrid microusb power clip and see how it fits on the phone |
| 09:17.13 | Macer | i think it will obstruct the cam |
| 09:17.51 | Macer | i am xfering 20GB of music to the internal storage over wifi |
| 09:17.56 | Macer | using sshfs |
| 09:18.02 | Macer | weeeeeee! lol |
| 09:18.33 | psycho_oreos | been there, done that. The whole device heated up for a fair while during transfers |
| 09:20.47 | ShadowJK | is out wandering in the woods, with N810 and maemo-mapper |
| 09:21.26 | ShadowJK | wishes gps drifted less than 1m in half an hour |
| 09:22.22 | Macer | ShadowJK: it is possible to install debian on the n810 on an SD right? |
| 09:23.04 | ShadowJK | I don't think debian has "native" N810 sxupport |
| 09:23.24 | Macer | hm |
| 09:23.28 | Macer | i was hoping to do it without a chroot |
| 09:23.43 | Macer | i want to use my n810 as a server |
| 09:23.44 | Macer | :) |
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| 09:55.05 | Macer | ShadowJK: i will look into it after i get the SD adapter.. kind of sucks that i don't have one. i have no idea what i did with my micro sd to mini adapter... :/ |
| 09:55.42 | Macer | but i want to have a synology box for storage and an n810 as a server for a handful of users... and low level stuff like irssi and named ... maybe even apache if it can handle it.. not sure how well the arm branches run |
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| 10:12.17 | jacekowski | Macer: synology has linux on it |
| 10:12.24 | jacekowski | Macer: so you canhave irssi and apache there |
| 10:12.50 | jonwil | Every time I open the PowerVR blobs in IDA, I always end up realizing just how hard they are for me to even begin to understand |
| 10:14.10 | jonwil | same with pretty much all the other bits I want to reverse engineer |
| 10:17.04 | psycho_oreos | I guess those are the joys of being a reverse engineer :) |
| 10:18.53 | jonwil | The lack of open PowerVR drivers is IMO the #1 problem in the mobile space right now |
| 10:22.38 | jonwil | I also seem to get the feeling that no-one cares about my work |
| 10:22.52 | jonwil | so I have less incentive to put the effort in if no-one is going to use the results |
| 10:23.24 | neal | open PowerVR drivers are on the FSF's high-priority list |
| 10:23.50 | jonwil | which means absolutely nothing in the real world |
| 10:23.51 | neal | unfortunately, GTA04 contains a PowerVR-based graphics driver |
| 10:24.03 | jonwil | as no-one is actually doing any WORK on opening them up |
| 10:24.24 | neal | Then it is that much more important that you do it |
| 10:24.39 | jonwil | If I had any of the needed skills, I would do it |
| 10:26.16 | jonwil | and if I had the money, I would buy the HexRays ARM decompiler |
| 10:26.32 | jonwil | and use that to blow some of these things right open |
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| 10:27.29 | psycho_oreos | sounds like you need to setup a site with donation link |
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| 10:30.29 | psycho_oreos | ouch, USD$2240 for base ARM decompiler from Hex-Rays |
| 10:30.33 | jonwil | yeah ough |
| 10:30.38 | jonwil | yeah 2240 |
| 10:30.42 | jonwil | plus a couple hundred for IDA |
| 10:30.51 | jonwil | about 2779 for the cheapest possible license |
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| 10:31.17 | jonwil | I doubt a donation link could raise anywhere NEAR that much money |
| 10:31.46 | psycho_oreos | well it might not but at least its probably better than nothing. |
| 10:32.22 | neal | pledgebank.com |
| 10:35.19 | jonwil | Doubt that could raise anywhere near enough money. |
| 10:35.42 | neal | pledgers have no risk |
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| 10:45.14 | jacekowski | decompiler isn't going to help you a lot |
| 10:45.32 | jacekowski | if you want i can run some files trough it |
| 10:47.37 | jacekowski | and besides, you can't buy it |
| 10:47.52 | jacekowski | it's not released |
| 10:47.56 | jacekowski | and abandoned |
| 10:48.12 | jacekowski | only people that had x86 decompiler when they were trialing it have arm decompiler |
| 10:48.37 | jonwil | the HexRays site says the ARM decompiler is very much for sale |
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| 10:48.44 | jonwil | if you have $2240 |
| 10:48.45 | jacekowski | well, try ordering it |
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| 10:49.36 | jonwil | If I had 2.7k I would try :P |
| 10:50.35 | jacekowski | http://www.hex-rays.com/products/decompiler/news.shtml |
| 10:51.12 | Macer | find the torrent |
| 10:51.14 | Macer | lol |
| 10:51.31 | jonwil | Trust me, if there was a torrent out there, I would know about it |
| 10:51.35 | Macer | i am still trying to find a way to install debian on the n810 without a chroot |
| 10:51.45 | Macer | i know there has to be a way to do it.. mer was on its way |
| 10:51.56 | Macer | lol |
| 10:52.01 | jacekowski | jonwil: there is very specific reason why arm decompiler hasn't leaked yet |
| 10:52.12 | jacekowski | jonwil: and you can get latest ida and latest x86 decompiler |
| 10:52.30 | jonwil | and that reason is? |
| 10:52.33 | Macer | jacekowski: what is the reason? |
| 10:52.38 | jacekowski | not many people have it |
| 10:52.54 | Macer | heh |
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| 10:55.36 | Macer | wow |
| 10:55.43 | Macer | that arm decompiler looks awesome |
| 10:55.50 | Macer | did you see how it converted the code ? |
| 10:56.34 | jacekowski | that's after you do quite a lot of work with asm |
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| 10:56.45 | Macer | imagine what good could be done on the n900 with it |
| 10:56.49 | Macer | lmao |
| 10:57.07 | jacekowski | download ida with x86 disasm |
| 10:57.39 | jacekowski | and see what sort of results you get |
| 10:57.40 | Macer | jonwil: code your own decompiler! lol |
| 10:58.01 | jacekowski | it gets better every version |
| 10:58.22 | jacekowski | but it still needs a lot of information to be provided by user to give nice results |
| 10:59.22 | Macer | yeah... these examples they give are still impressive tho |
| 10:59.27 | Macer | wow |
| 11:00.47 | neal | Anyone have some time to review my packages? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1118751&postcount=4 |
| 11:00.53 | neal | Would be appreciated... |
| 11:02.55 | Macer | $2240 |
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| 11:03.16 | Macer | how about we pool our money together and buy it for the n900 dev! |
| 11:03.18 | Macer | lol |
| 11:03.40 | Macer | i am curious... if you install it on a linux box won't multiple users have access to it? |
| 11:03.54 | Macer | or is the license not multi user? |
| 11:04.10 | Macer | :) |
| 11:04.34 | psycho_oreos | its not multiuser, that 2240$USD |
| 11:05.04 | psycho_oreos | I iirc it costs $2000+USD per extra license which only covers one user increments |
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| 11:06.47 | Macer | can't you just set up a common user acct? :) |
| 11:06.49 | Macer | on the linux box? |
| 11:06.59 | Macer | that is technically "1 user" |
| 11:08.51 | jonwil | The license is "one human at a time" basically |
| 11:09.02 | Macer | then time share it |
| 11:09.03 | Macer | hahah |
| 11:09.28 | Macer | and use it one at a time in a common user acct |
| 11:09.33 | Macer | :) |
| 11:09.54 | Macer | either way... honestly.. if someone from the community got a hold of it they would jut shove it somewhere where everybody and theri mother could access it anyways |
| 11:09.57 | Macer | lmao |
| 11:10.19 | jonwil | I guarantee that if its leaked, the site I go for all my crap WILL have links |
| 11:10.27 | jonwil | Its where I found the latest x86 bits |
| 11:10.54 | jonwil | I just wish HexRays was better at C++ stuff (for another project I have) |
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| 11:13.44 | jonwil | must read the bluz source code |
| 11:13.59 | jonwil | Aparently the bluz source code contains some nice stuff about some of the DBUS calls I want to know more about |
| 11:14.01 | Macer | heh |
| 11:14.16 | Macer | well.. i'll keep an eye out for it ;) |
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| 11:16.32 | SpeedEvil | I'd be willing to contribute $10 to the purchase. |
| 11:16.47 | SpeedEvil | But - i have doubts you'd find another 270 peeps. |
| 11:18.20 | psycho_oreos | some may donate more, some may donate less |
| 11:18.40 | psycho_oreos | the bottom line is that even with little donations its better than forking out the full price yourself |
| 11:19.06 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes |
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| 11:23.30 | cityLights | ok, I am seeking to submit a fix to openvpn for maemo |
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| 11:27.41 | jonwil | I can think of about 1/2 dozen binaries I would love to run through ARM HexRays :P |
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| 11:32.16 | ShadowJK | is something wrong with openvpn for maemo? |
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| 11:32.30 | ShadowJK | has been using it since getting his N900 |
| 11:33.57 | psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, I think it overwrites entries in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:34.19 | ShadowJK | with what... |
| 11:35.14 | ShadowJK | my resolv.conf still says "nameserver 127.0.1.1" |
| 11:36.01 | ShadowJK | I'm using fully static setup, the simple static example from openvpn"s homepage |
| 11:36.36 | Macer | i still use pptp lol |
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| 11:37.29 | jonwil | My #1 and #2 items for running through HexRays would be libconnui.so.0 and libconnui_cell.so.0 with libsrv_um.so and libpvr2d.so being #3 and #4 :) |
| 11:38.33 | psycho_oreos | with nothing, it creates an empty /etc/resolv.conf file afaik. Though if you edit the nameservers for a conf file before hand (I can't remember exactly) it will append those entries in |
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| 11:43.54 | Macer | blah |
| 11:44.12 | Macer | still xfering over sshfs over wifi |
| 11:45.13 | ShadowJK | doesn't use the openvpn applet btw, and also doesn't use dhcp over openvpn |
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| 12:01.28 | jonwil | ooh neat, some of the CSD dbus interfaces support dbus introspection |
| 12:05.28 | neal | jonwil: I extgracted a few interfaces: http://hssl.cs.jhu.edu/~neal/woodchuck/src/branches/master/#files:src |
| 12:06.38 | jonwil | nothing there I dont already have |
| 12:06.48 | jonwil | I have Phone.Net already |
| 12:07.07 | jonwil | and the DSME and ICD and MCE stuff |
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| 12:09.48 | jonwil | The interfaces that I dont have and want would be /com/nokia/phone/SIM for one |
| 12:09.56 | jonwil | which I dont have |
| 12:10.01 | jonwil | and that one doesnt support introspection |
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| 12:15.53 | Macer | Oops. A bit of research reinforced my fear here: if you've got a device that's part of a RAID group or, like in this case, assigned as a JBOD disk, the Areca controller won't let you run a SMART test on it. This is really unreasonable behavior for a disk controller aimed at enterprise use. |
| 12:16.10 | Macer | (facepalm) |
| 12:19.21 | Macer | jonwil: :) |
| 12:19.54 | psychologe | hello,Macer |
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| 12:22.09 | Macer | hello |
| 12:22.53 | SpeedEvil | The controller is probably doing Smart itself. |
| 12:22.59 | SpeedEvil | And aggregating them. |
| 12:23.01 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 12:28.58 | Macer | that was from a blog |
| 12:29.24 | Macer | i just had my raid hiccup... no errors detected by the linux driver tho |
| 12:29.55 | Macer | i cant wait to get my synology lol |
| 12:30.17 | Macer | i need to quit using that thing anyways. |
| 12:30.19 | neal | jonwil: I also have com.nokia.csd.GPRS.Context.xml, com.nokia.csd.GPRS.xml, com.nokia.Phone.SSC.xml and Phone.Net.xml |
| 12:30.22 | neal | jonwil: FWIW |
| 12:31.20 | jonwil | I have phone.net already, and all the GPRS stuff |
| 12:31.42 | Macer | what pkg extends the time the backlight stays on? |
| 12:31.42 | LaoLang_cool_ | Any experience with GTD (getting things done) on n900? |
| 12:33.48 | jonwil | phone.ssc on the other hand I cold use |
| 12:33.50 | jonwil | could use |
| 12:34.03 | Macer | klingon fonts? |
| 12:34.05 | jonwil | point it my way please |
| 12:34.11 | Macer | seriously |
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| 12:36.09 | jonwil | neal: if you have phone.ssc, I am interested :) |
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| 12:37.32 | jonwil | jacekowski, you still here? |
| 12:40.43 | ShadowJK | urgh, emmc might be dying in my n900 :/ |
| 12:40.58 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:41.45 | Macer | haha |
| 12:41.53 | Macer | wow really? |
| 12:42.15 | Macer | run fsck :) |
| 12:42.41 | ShadowJK | [110185.748168] mmcblk1: error 1 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x900 |
| 12:42.50 | ShadowJK | no fsck will really mess it up |
| 12:42.56 | ShadowJK | flash is bad like that |
| 12:43.16 | Macer | i was joking |
| 12:43.34 | Macer | is there an easy way to mark the bad addresses? |
| 12:43.49 | SpeedEvil | There are no bad addresses. |
| 12:43.56 | SpeedEvil | Well - there are. |
| 12:44.14 | SpeedEvil | But the block addresses do not map uniquely to internal blocks. |
| 12:44.30 | SpeedEvil | It's the result of the internal block allocation failing due to bad blocks that you're seeing. |
| 12:45.21 | SpeedEvil | It may be that due to the wear leveling algorithm you may find that the errors are oving around in a 130M block, and eliminating that block from usage makes it work |
| 12:48.57 | xkr47 | did you also get a "Maemo 5 secoruity update" on your n900 ? |
| 12:49.03 | xkr47 | security* |
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| 12:49.15 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: diginotar-- |
| 12:51.34 | ShadowJK | wonders what error 1 response 0 status 0x900 means |
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| 12:57.04 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, ok thx |
| 12:57.20 | SpeedEvil | points ShadowJK to the mmc spec |
| 12:57.40 | SpeedEvil | IIRC there are no 'useful' codes |
| 12:57.55 | SpeedEvil | That is - that'll tell you the device is coming tot he end of its life. |
| 13:01.03 | SpeedEvil | SMART |
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| 14:10.41 | ShadowJK | hm, I can read back the entire partition |
| 14:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | xkr47: see topic |
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| 14:34.56 | aholler | as a newbie, what does ccsu stand for? community*? |
| 14:35.18 | aholler | s/ccsu/cssu/ |
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| 14:42.36 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: hi |
| 14:42.51 | cityLights | I can I commit a fix to openvpn maemo ? |
| 14:43.07 | cityLights | the script used to add the dns is wrong |
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| 14:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~SSU |
| 14:44.19 | infobot | i heard ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU |
| 14:45.48 | cityLights | where is mohammad? |
| 14:46.08 | aholler | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 14:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU |
| 14:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: where are you? ^^^ |
| 14:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: does it matter where MohammadAG is? |
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| 14:52.42 | cityLights | wanted to know if he got his n950? |
| 14:52.55 | cityLights | also maybe he can help me commit the openvpn fix |
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| 15:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro |
| 15:32.18 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 16h 26m 23s ago, saying: 'nah nah nah nah..'. |
| 15:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 15:37.25 | pronto | O.O |
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| 18:08.42 | cityLights | hi khertan |
| 18:09.08 | cityLights | can any one pls help me fix a small bug in openvpn? |
| 18:09.23 | cityLights | the maemo-resolv script is wrong |
| 18:09.31 | cityLights | how can I submit a fix? |
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| 18:43.44 | jonne | is there a better e-mail client than modest for the n900? |
| 18:44.03 | jonne | it's fine for most things, but the lack of search is annoying sometimes |
| 18:44.18 | jonne | hard to find e-mail that's older than like a week |
| 18:44.29 | Sicelo | uses mutt. there's a bunch of others, such as claws, etc |
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| 18:45.18 | jonne | that is an interesting idea. mutt does search? |
| 18:45.23 | psycho_oreos | there's also alpine |
| 18:45.44 | jonne | wouldn't mind cli if it had more features and was faster |
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| 18:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | modest is a useless POC for a mailing client |
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| 18:54.04 | neal | DocScrutinizer: That's harsh. |
| 18:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | I actually think a webmailer is not the worst idea for a mobile device like N900 |
| 18:55.17 | neal | DocScrutinizer: I think it is great that it is free software and unfortunate that no community developped around it. |
| 18:55.36 | neal | DocScrutinizer: It lacks some features, but I think the architecture is sound. |
| 18:55.45 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 18:55.59 | neal | DocScrutinizer: As for a web mailer, I completely disagree: you can only use that if you are connected to the net. |
| 18:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't want to use it to do any serious mailing anyway |
| 18:56.18 | neal | DocScrutinizer: May be that is not the point. |
| 18:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | (only use it when connected) well, modest I can't use ever, for a lot of things |
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| 19:29.36 | wiretapped | is there a page listing all the OS options for n900? |
| 19:30.16 | wiretapped | i'm specifically interested only in dists which can make calls and have cellular data support |
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| 19:53.41 | psycho_oreos | wiretapped, I doubt there is even a list for all the supported linux anyway. There's probably less than a handful that is known to be able to work with N900. If you want cellular data support and be able to make/receive phone calls, it would probably boil down to 3 OS that is currently capable of doing that |
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| 19:58.21 | psycho_oreos | maybe even two now that I checked one of the three OS that is capable of fulfilling two of your prerequisites |
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| 20:13.21 | _rd | I would like to circumvent a navit shortcoming with two shellscripts, one to setup car and one to setup bike navigation. |
| 20:14.04 | _rd | I have the shell scripts in place, I just would need a nice way to integrated them into maemo5.... |
| 20:15.12 | _rd | ...either an entry in the settings would be nice or an entry in the panel (similar to the dual-gsm-3G switcher). |
| 20:15.33 | _rd | Does anybody know which way is easiest and where to start reading? |
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| 20:27.29 | Corsac | hmhm, in the end, was there an “upgrade” for n810 people after diablo? |
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| 20:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: so, which of the 3 of maemo5 fremantle, SHR, meegoCE, is it you tested? :-D |
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| 20:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | _rd: iirc MohammadAG once built a generic app to add arbitrary cmdline execution button to system status "panel" |
| 20:41.10 | _rd | DocScrutinizer: thanks...I am sure, you do not remember the name, right? |
| 20:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | sth like `sytraybutton --icon foo.gif --cmd "/bin/sh -c myscript.sh" |
| 20:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | no idea about the name |
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| 21:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | starting point: http://maemo.org/packages/view/example-status-applet/ |
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| 21:26.46 | psycho_oreos | <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: so, which of the 3 of maemo5 fremantle, SHR, meegoCE, is it you tested? :-D <--- only maemo4 fremantle, I was about say ***droid but I'm sure that'll set you on fire ;) |
| 21:27.22 | psycho_oreos | I didn't think about SHR being a potential candidate though |
| 21:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, seems I didn't think about nitdridiot ;-D |
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| 21:30.52 | psycho_oreos | hah, well that bumps up to the number of candidates that satisfies the user's requirements to four now |
| 21:31.14 | psycho_oreos | s/maemo4/maemo5/ |
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| 21:33.29 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, seen my epic reply about why meego/harmattan needs a proper keyboard like N950? |
| 21:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 21:34.21 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1119196&postcount=46 |
| 21:34.48 | psycho_oreos | is probably going to get grilled/drilled for saying that ;) |
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| 21:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
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| 21:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: HEY!!! |
| 21:48.08 | javispedro | hi |
| 21:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-11-06 16:32:18] <infobot> javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 16h 26m 23s ago, saying: 'nah nah nah nah..'. |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:48.56 | javispedro | impossible, I was here on wednesday |
| 21:49.21 | javispedro | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-11-02.log.html#t2011-11-02T00:59:28 |
| 21:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe you stayed quiet on infobot-monitored chan? |
| 21:49.26 | javispedro | ah |
| 21:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: got the N9 for hostmode-hw surgery :-D |
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| 21:55.09 | psycho_oreos | hostmode-hw surgery? got any pics? |
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| 22:00.22 | AlmightyOatmeal | i'm sad, the wayfinder map app is no longer supported, the maps are nearly 4 years old, and i can't get a trial or even pay for it :( |
| 22:00.59 | psycho_oreos | had a look at sygic maps? |
| 22:01.16 | AlmightyOatmeal | i haven't.. is that in a repository? |
| 22:01.20 | psycho_oreos | or is this for some other platform you're trying to hide? |
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| 22:01.26 | psycho_oreos | hmm it might be |
| 22:01.47 | AlmightyOatmeal | for some platform i'm trying to hide? what the hell? |
| 22:01.49 | psycho_oreos | I think its in Ovi repository (aka, hidden) the maps need to be bought howerver |
| 22:01.56 | psycho_oreos | s/howerver/however/ |
| 22:02.27 | psycho_oreos | AlmightyOatmeal, was being naive, I didn't know wayfinder map `app' was also for maemo5 |
| 22:02.46 | AlmightyOatmeal | i'm using diablo |
| 22:03.24 | psycho_oreos | o.O maemo4? heh well I wouldn't know. sygic is available on fremantle (maemo5) however |
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| 22:03.31 | AlmightyOatmeal | ah |
| 22:03.37 | vdv | if i'm trying to build a project for maemo target (from qt sdk, qtcreator) i get "'class QList<QString>' has no member named 'reserve'" error |
| 22:03.53 | AlmightyOatmeal | i'm firing up my 810 now to see if sygic is there, maybe a little googling as well |
| 22:03.53 | vdv | for simulator target build runs normally |
| 22:04.05 | vdv | and building in scratchbox is also ok |
| 22:04.06 | AlmightyOatmeal | i don't suppose fremantle would work on the nokia n810 would it? |
| 22:04.14 | vdv | but would get it work from qtcreator |
| 22:04.17 | psycho_oreos | afaik no |
| 22:04.27 | AlmightyOatmeal | sadness |
| 22:04.32 | vdv | something related here: http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/6jz3kXvHh553w3Wa0wpS |
| 22:04.46 | psycho_oreos | iinm N8x0 has slightly different compared to N900 |
| 22:04.51 | vdv | i.e. seems that include dir of my system qt (4.6.2) is messed up with qt for fremantle |
| 22:05.17 | AlmightyOatmeal | ah |
| 22:05.22 | psycho_oreos | ugh.. slightly different CPU |
| 22:05.35 | psycho_oreos | ok maybe not N810 |
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| 22:07.00 | psycho_oreos | would think on a different note that sygic may struggle to run on N8x0 even if its ported |
| 22:07.17 | psycho_oreos | too bad its proprietary |
| 22:08.24 | AlmightyOatmeal | :( |
| 22:08.42 | AlmightyOatmeal | i guess i could contact wayfinder who was bought out by vodaphone and see if they would give me a license |
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| 23:13.22 | rly | How do I open a PDF file in the N900 directory? |
| 23:13.40 | NIN102 | just touch it... |
| 23:14.22 | rly | NIN102: it says no files or directories. |
| 23:14.49 | rly | NIN102: the file browser application says that or whatever its translation in English is. |
| 23:15.25 | NIN102 | well, that's strange. |
| 23:15.41 | rly | NIN102: I mounted the phone via USB. |
| 23:15.57 | rly | NIN102: put a file on it and now sort of expect to be able to access that file on the phone. |
| 23:16.58 | NIN102 | usually you shouldn't (be able to) use the intern storage or sd while having the N900 in mass-storage mode. |
| 23:18.18 | rly | Where is the N900 directory on the device? |
| 23:18.48 | NIN102 | so unmount the phone from your PC, plug the usb cable out and try it again. |
| 23:19.23 | NIN102 | The Directory for user data like music, video, documents, etc. is /home/user/MyDocs. |
| 23:20.10 | rly | NIN102: but when I mount it I don't see a MyDocs dir. |
| 23:20.35 | NIN102 | so how did you touch it then...? |
| 23:20.46 | rly | NIN102: I didn't touch it. |
| 23:21.02 | rly | NIN102: I have it mounted in front of me on my screen. |
| 23:21.50 | NIN102 | so the file manager on your PC says "no such file or directory" or something similiar, right? |
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| 23:22.26 | rly | NIN102: no |
| 23:22.39 | rly | NIN102: on my PC it is clearly visible. |
| 23:23.02 | rly | NIN102: I see subdirs like Mac OS and tmp and DCIM. |
| 23:24.25 | rly | If they had just put a README document there telling where this directory is one the device, that would have been easy. |
| 23:24.35 | rly | on* |
| 23:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | it's MyDocs |
| 23:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | and it's unmounted on device as long as you have mass storage mode started |
| 23:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.13 | ShadowJK | also MyDocs contains .documents .videos and similar that correspond to the "Documents" folder in filemanager |
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| 23:38.30 | jonwil | jacekowski: ping |
| 23:38.33 | jonwil | neal: ping |
| 23:42.04 | neal | jonwil: What's up? |
| 23:42.24 | jonwil | Did you say you have some dbus stuff for phone.ssc? |
| 23:42.27 | jonwil | or whatever it is? |
| 23:42.32 | jonwil | I am interested in that if you do |
| 23:43.30 | neal | I looked, it only has a single definition |
| 23:43.37 | neal | i.e., is less complete than I thought |
| 23:43.45 | jonwil | which one does it have? |
| 23:44.14 | neal | http://paste.debian.net/143370/ |
| 23:44.54 | neal | you should run dbus-monitor in a screen session and just let it collect data for a few weeks |
| 23:44.58 | neal | that's what I did |
| 23:45.21 | neal | and I've gotten most of the interface definitions that I needed |
| 23:45.50 | jonwil | ok |
| 23:46.06 | jonwil | I already have get_modem_state :) |
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