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| 01:41.56 | cdahmedeh | hello! is it possible to use google voice for outbound calls to landline on the n900? |
| 01:47.35 | jonwil | is bored |
| 01:47.44 | jonwil | is looking for something worth reverse engineering |
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| 02:14.55 | HyperSnyper | jonwil > "btw I bet, though Nokia didn't care to keep the UI working, all the NetMonitor functions are *still* burried in BB5 FW" |
| 02:15.36 | HyperSnyper | Doc was talking about that couple days ago, is that something you could look into ;P |
| 02:23.36 | jonwil | Messing with low level stuff like the baseband or bootloader is not something I have the wish to do |
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| 07:01.38 | jonwil | damn, I found yet another thing that used to be available from some site but no longer exists :( |
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| 07:04.01 | jonwil | Looks like there existed somewhere a browser-neteal-dev package but the only links I have are broken |
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| 07:40.55 | jonwil | oh wow |
| 07:40.58 | jonwil | https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/neteal/include/neteal.h is nice |
| 07:41.02 | jonwil | old but nice |
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| 07:49.38 | mece | jonwil, what's this now? |
| 07:49.50 | jonwil | ? |
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| 07:50.14 | jonwil | Its a header file (MPL licensed at that) for the browser-neteal packager |
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| 09:45.06 | archl | hi, anybody have a custom build of meego which only run necessary phone and address book application and a pure text editor. |
| 09:45.41 | arnet | better to ask on #mer |
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| 10:07.12 | jonwil | ~seen mr_jrt |
| 10:07.17 | infobot | mr_jrt <~j@jamie-thompson.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 15m 13s ago, saying: 'x29a: Poking around in the vars view suggests it's that old favourite - not rebuilding/linking properly when you change class members :/ ...and a full rebuild confirms it. Grrr.'. |
| 10:07.59 | kerio | isn't C++ wonderful |
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| 10:08.12 | x29a | heh, multihighlight |
| 10:08.52 | kerio | ~seen infobot |
| 10:08.52 | infobot | infobot is currently on #utos (4d 3h 38m 4s) #asterisk-doc (4d 3h 38m 4s) #botpark (4d 3h 38m 4s) ##t42 (4d 3h 38m 4s) #maemo (4d 3h 38m 4s) #fredlug (4d 3h 38m 4s) ##ols (4d 3h 38m 4s) #n9 (4d 3h 38m 4s) #asterisk-scf-dev (4d 3h 38m 4s) #flyspray (4d 3h 38m 4s) #asterisk-dev (4d 3h 38m 4s) #webos-internals (4d 3h 38m 4s) #opensimpad.org (4d 3h 38m ... |
| 10:08.59 | kerio | oh god |
| 10:09.35 | psycho_oreos | overjoyed now with bold fonts bonanza? |
| 10:09.59 | psycho_oreos | :þ looks almost like stuff coming out of a flood script that script-kiddies used :þ |
| 10:11.35 | x29a | i enjoy the fact, that infobot is still on #opensimpad.org |
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| 10:14.26 | Macer | t42? :-) |
| 10:15.11 | jonwil | I downloaded a whole pile of Symbian code in the hope it has more info on what goes on for Cell Broadcast SMS. I am beginning to wish I hadn't bothered :( |
| 10:15.17 | jonwil | Its a nightmare to even look at |
| 10:15.43 | Macer | are you developing for symbian? |
| 10:16.14 | Macer | i dont care what people say. i am gettong an e7 :-P |
| 10:16.17 | Macer | heh |
| 10:16.37 | jonwil | no, I am developing for maemo but I figured that possibly Symbian might contain code that does stuff with cell broadcast SMSs that I can use to learn what to do with different channels and thnigs |
| 10:16.43 | jonwil | but I am wishing I hadn't bothered |
| 10:16.45 | jonwil | its a mess of code |
| 10:16.52 | jonwil | and almost impossible to find anything in |
| 10:17.04 | Macer | hahaha.. the flaw of "open" |
| 10:17.32 | Macer | i am guessing the maemo code didnt have anything useful? |
| 10:17.42 | jonwil | nope obviously |
| 10:18.03 | Macer | maybe the #meego guys can help if they didnt shoot themselves by now |
| 10:18.03 | psycho_oreos | Macer, BluesLee would have wanted to talk to you.. and maybe you guys could make a symbian matchmaking couple together :þ |
| 10:18.19 | Macer | haha |
| 10:18.24 | jonwil | I already read the ofono code and that doesn't help |
| 10:18.32 | psycho_oreos | <BluesLee> someone with an e7 here? |
| 10:18.33 | Macer | hold pinkies while talking on an n8 and e7? |
| 10:18.49 | psycho_oreos | oh yeah in the middle of a maemo channel |
| 10:19.18 | Macer | i would laugh if blueslee was some ultra hot woman |
| 10:19.22 | Macer | :-) |
| 10:19.42 | Macer | see what making fun does to your sex life? best to keep an open mind |
| 10:20.02 | Macer | i am waiting for them to hit the 352 mark tho |
| 10:20.04 | psycho_oreos | there's plenty of fish out there |
| 10:20.09 | Macer | $350 |
| 10:20.23 | Macer | yeah.. and i am sure all those fish run maemo |
| 10:20.30 | Macer | hahaha |
| 10:21.04 | psycho_oreos | and they would all be thinking what I would be thinking if some other fish was talking about symbian in the middle of maemo channel.. a banstick |
| 10:21.22 | Macer | when amazon has silver e7s for 350 im sold |
| 10:21.37 | Macer | why? people used to talk about symbian all the time here |
| 10:21.54 | Macer | symbian is not a bad os... just underdemanded and underdeveloped |
| 10:22.16 | Macer | i can think of a couple other mobile OSes with a similar story :-P |
| 10:22.44 | psycho_oreos | there's one word to sum up talking oranges in an apple area.. OFFTOPIC |
| 10:22.58 | Macer | and you are wrong... the other fish are in #iphone |
| 10:23.00 | psycho_oreos | yeah sure, so whats next? discussion of wp7/mango? |
| 10:23.12 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 10:23.40 | Macer | traditionally discussions involving maemo have obviously brought comparison to other mobile operating systems |
| 10:24.12 | psycho_oreos | it was only once in a blue moon |
| 10:24.28 | Macer | you dont know what his question was going to be :-) he could have been trying develop a bootloader to put maemo on an e7 |
| 10:25.09 | psycho_oreos | yeah right, that's really believable |
| 10:25.11 | Macer | assumption is the murder of knowledge... as is a closed mind |
| 10:25.43 | psycho_oreos | its not assumption, its called pre-emptive strike with certainty |
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| 10:25.49 | Macer | and back in the day discussing mobile operating systems here other tjan maemo was the norm |
| 10:25.55 | Macer | than |
| 10:26.28 | Macer | as each had its own approach to doing things whether you agree or support them or not |
| 10:26.45 | Macer | anyways.. have to go. |
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| 11:38.44 | fredddd | Hm, would anyone be able to guide me in a right direction regarding the following, right now I have my own mail and XMPP server setup, and I got that setup on my N900 (Maemo, CSSU). I also wish to be able to do something similar for contacts, calendar entries and task entries. |
| 11:39.02 | fredddd | Being able to set something up for it on my server, to then connect to my N900. |
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| 12:26.41 | SpeedEvil | just recieved a call from nokia care. |
| 12:26.47 | jonwil | about what? |
| 12:26.54 | jonwil | faulty n900? |
| 12:27.09 | SpeedEvil | They got my n900, and are sending it off to repair - should be a week. But I'm probably getting an E7 |
| 12:27.16 | SpeedEvil | (which I'll then ebay and...) |
| 12:27.23 | SpeedEvil | Down to backup n900. |
| 12:27.47 | fredddd | Is there anyway I could obtain a Nokia recharger and touch pen after, breaking it, and losing it? |
| 12:27.54 | fredddd | I should still have warranty. |
| 12:27.58 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 12:27.59 | fredddd | I bought it in 2009 or so. |
| 12:28.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes |
| 12:28.05 | SpeedEvil | But you need to buy them. |
| 12:28.09 | fredddd | Does anyone know where I could obtain them? |
| 12:28.14 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 12:28.15 | fredddd | I bought a USB to power socket thingy. |
| 12:28.27 | fredddd | And I need to plugin the cable in and out 10 - 15 times before it starts charging. |
| 12:28.43 | fredddd | Due to the fact Nokia rechargers have 5 pins or something instead of 6. |
| 12:28.48 | SpeedEvil | Will it charge reliably using the USB cable, and a computer? |
| 12:28.53 | fredddd | Most likely to make more cash on having everyone to turn to them for rechargers. |
| 12:28.55 | fredddd | Yes. |
| 12:28.57 | fredddd | Fine on computer. |
| 12:29.15 | SpeedEvil | Check for a nokia store in your country - online. |
| 12:29.15 | fredddd | But if I use my USB to wall socket converter, it does not, and reading online, I read that Nokia did something special to prevent people from using third party rechargers like that. |
| 12:29.22 | fredddd | Alright. |
| 12:29.44 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise - ebay has lots of similarly shaped objects |
| 12:29.45 | fredddd | I have been wondering about MeeGo. |
| 12:29.54 | fredddd | I do not like it, looks, and functionality, compared to Maemo, but, it will be the successor right? |
| 12:30.12 | SpeedEvil | The n9, you mean? |
| 12:30.12 | jonwil | there is no successor for Maemo on the N900 as such |
| 12:30.16 | jonwil | MeeGo is an alternative |
| 12:30.22 | SpeedEvil | It's the only 'successor' from nokia that's likely. |
| 12:30.28 | fredddd | So Maemo, with CSSU, is the latest and greatest for my little neat N900? |
| 12:30.31 | jonwil | yes |
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| 12:30.35 | jonwil | its the best option for your N900 |
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| 12:30.43 | fredddd | What will I do if my Nokia N900 will ever die? It spoiled me so much I do not want another phone. =( |
| 12:30.54 | jonwil | buy another N900 from ebay |
| 12:30.59 | fredddd | Not that it will die anytime soon, I treat it like my baby, allow it to sleep on the bed at night, etc. |
| 12:31.02 | jonwil | or hope someone has released a suitable phone by them |
| 12:31.04 | fredddd | Ew, second hand. |
| 12:31.09 | SpeedEvil | And what he said. |
| 12:31.18 | jonwil | I look after my N900 very much too |
| 12:31.27 | fredddd | I love it, I can not understand why Nokia dumped it like it did. |
| 12:31.37 | fredddd | If it would die, I would buy it again, if it wuold die again, I would buy it again, and again. |
| 12:31.41 | jonwil | They dumped it because carriers didnt like it |
| 12:31.43 | fredddd | It is perfect, the keyboard, the features, the usability. |
| 12:31.46 | fredddd | Nokia why, why... |
| 12:32.01 | fredddd | The 600 euros I put down for it. |
| 12:32.02 | SpeedEvil | Carriers in the UK carried the n900 |
| 12:32.03 | fredddd | All worth it. |
| 12:32.06 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly not all of them. |
| 12:32.07 | jonwil | yeah some did |
| 12:32.19 | jonwil | Also I think it was dumped because it had no ecosystem |
| 12:32.25 | jonwil | and wasnt popular because it had no apps |
| 12:32.28 | fredddd | I think Nokia is fucking up in general. |
| 12:32.30 | SpeedEvil | To be fair - nokia broke shit. |
| 12:32.40 | SpeedEvil | Not getting ovi store working. |
| 12:32.41 | fredddd | N900 - Maemo. |
| 12:32.46 | fredddd | Then they dump it focus on MeeGo with Intel. |
| 12:32.49 | fredddd | Then they dump that, and go for Windows. |
| 12:32.54 | SpeedEvil | And about 8 months in - people were being told not to bother with ovi store. |
| 12:33.00 | fredddd | Nobody likes Windows Phones, so Nokia will fuck up with that one and have no other things to turn to. |
| 12:33.22 | fredddd | That is, if Nokia is not purchased by Microsoft yet. |
| 12:33.43 | SpeedEvil | I like mango. |
| 12:33.50 | fredddd | But that is really something I fear, one day, my Nokia N900, will, leave its earthly body, and go to mobile phone heaven. |
| 12:33.53 | SpeedEvil | In fact, I think I'll just go and eat another. |
| 12:33.57 | fredddd | And then... I will not know what to do. |
| 12:34.57 | fredddd | Right now I am trying to setup synchronisations on my N900. |
| 12:35.01 | fredddd | XMPP, SMTP and IMAP all good. |
| 12:35.12 | fredddd | Now calendar, task list and contact synchronisation, and RSS feed list perhaps too. |
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| 12:35.27 | fredddd | On my own server if possible. |
| 12:35.48 | jonwil | does the N900 do iCal for calendars? |
| 12:35.59 | fredddd | I would have to look for some free software (GPL or so), that is able to do that Microsoft Exchange Server thing my N900 has. |
| 12:36.13 | fredddd | Microsoft Exchange thing. |
| 12:36.20 | fredddd | I just setup Google Sync with it, was nice, and worked fine. |
| 12:36.22 | jonwil | you mean ActiveSync? |
| 12:36.26 | fredddd | But I really want to set it up on my own server. |
| 12:36.30 | fredddd | Er, hold on. |
| 12:36.48 | fredddd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#ActiveSync |
| 12:36.51 | fredddd | Yeah, ActiveSync. |
| 12:37.04 | fredddd | Have any experience? |
| 12:37.14 | fredddd | I have a server running, at the address acantha.expressionate.org. |
| 12:37.28 | fredddd | I wish to setup some sort of calendar / task list / contact server and connect it with my N900. |
| 12:37.33 | fredddd | It uses Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 12:37.35 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 12:37.49 | SpeedEvil | I have at the moment three calendar entries on my n900 |
| 12:37.59 | fredddd | Yeah well I keep track on birthdays and stuff. |
| 12:38.07 | fredddd | And I like to keep things synced at two or more places for backup purposes. |
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| 12:38.49 | SpeedEvil | goes back to reading page 120/430 of the decision makers guide. |
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| 12:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | fredddd: N900 charger is pretty much USB standard. Just most chargers are not. Short D+- in your wallwart |
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| 12:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: see USB charging spec amendment for specifications of short between D+ and D- for signalling fastcharger capabilities to device |
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| 12:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | sorry freemangordon, ETAB - he left |
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| 13:28.18 | RST38bis | "A steely gaze with little behind it and a firm handshake amplify the appearance of probity." |
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| 13:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm sure for a Russian guy this sounds silly - I always thought you guys over there don't know any other way to shake hands ;-P |
| 13:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | is this an excerpt from a movie scene description from Rambo-II ? |
| 13:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | or straight from a tutorial for managers? |
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| 13:49.06 | cityLights | regarding the kernel update |
| 13:49.23 | cityLights | did anyone try the new kernel V49 from the forum? |
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| 13:58.13 | Trewas | funny how n9 manages to be much more laggy POS than n900 in normal use, four times the memory and still swapping like there is no tomorrow |
| 13:59.28 | jonwil | Is the web browser on the N9/N950 webkit based? |
| 13:59.59 | Trewas | yes |
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| 14:01.14 | jonwil | interesting how pretty much all smartphone platforms except Microsoft are using webkit for their browsers now |
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| 14:29.21 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Annoying regressions all round. |
| 14:29.31 | SpeedEvil | No way to drag, no flash, no way to change user-agent. |
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| 14:53.48 | jonwil | anyone know who "owns" http://browser.garage.maemo.org/? |
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| 15:03.37 | RST38bis | "A local Virginia Republican group has apologized for sending around a Halloween email that depicted President Obama as a zombie with a hole in his head. " |
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| 15:11.09 | villager | wow, an official update to maemo 5 today... security updates, apparently... |
| 15:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 16:19.30 | pyther | I have an updated title "Maemo 5", what is this? |
| 16:20.02 | NIN101 | must be the official security update. |
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| 16:24.11 | eMHa__ | yeah, it says it's a security update |
| 16:24.58 | eMHa__ | there seems more info about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1116676#post1116676 |
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| 17:01.02 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ -- N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | RECENT UPDATE: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 |
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| 17:03.56 | color`coded | :o |
| 17:06.27 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer ping |
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| 17:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: pong |
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| 17:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 17:26.32 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
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| 17:30.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer you've asked me something earlier today which I don't quite understand |
| 17:31.03 | freemangordon | something about charging |
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| 17:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: was an ETAB, sorry |
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| 17:34.34 | freemangordon | ETAB? |
| 17:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | nick autocompletion (by TAB) mishap |
| 17:35.13 | x29a | wrong autocomplete, id assume |
| 17:36.14 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 18:24.52 | jesuschrist | hi guys, anyone has java installed on his n900 ? |
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| 18:33.39 | x29a | jesuschrist: youre with the devil, right? |
| 18:34.12 | hakkattakk | :D |
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| 18:34.48 | jesuschrist | Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from |
| 18:34.50 | jesuschrist | i get this |
| 18:34.52 | jesuschrist | on a jar |
| 18:35.02 | jesuschrist | any idea ? :\ |
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| 18:54.00 | drifter | Have you tried google? |
| 18:54.35 | jesuschrist | obviously i tried |
| 18:55.07 | jesuschrist | but maybe you are a better searcher |
| 18:55.20 | jesuschrist | why dont you try it yourself, ill wait for the answer |
| 18:55.23 | jesuschrist | thanks |
| 18:55.47 | drifter | Have you seen this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2591516/why-its-failed-to-load-main-class-manifest-attribute-from-jar-file |
| 18:56.21 | jesuschrist | do i seem like a provider ? |
| 18:56.25 | jesuschrist | ahem a programmer |
| 18:56.32 | drifter | oh lol |
| 18:56.33 | jesuschrist | i just have the jars |
| 18:56.51 | drifter | regardless, it doesnt look too technical |
| 18:57.04 | jesuschrist | thats because you dindt read what you posted |
| 18:57.09 | jesuschrist | it says to rebuild the jars and |
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| 18:57.11 | drifter | dont overlook an article just because you think it's about programming |
| 18:57.14 | jesuschrist | make a manifesto |
| 18:57.16 | drifter | hmm |
| 18:57.21 | whatever4ever | Maemo 5 update just popped up... |
| 18:57.24 | jesuschrist | i just have the jars |
| 18:57.25 | whatever4ever | Anyone else upgrade yet? |
| 18:57.25 | jesuschrist | as i said |
| 18:57.43 | ShadowJK | it's just diginotar isn't it? |
| 18:57.51 | drifter | one moment |
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| 18:59.10 | whatever4ever | Anyone know about this newest update? |
| 18:59.20 | whatever4ever | It's from Nokia, right? |
| 18:59.24 | drifter | "The answer is simple: There is no mainclass attribute in the manifest. These jar files are not made to be executed as applications." |
| 18:59.34 | drifter | "Are this jar files for a browser, java midlet files for cell phones or just extensions for other programs? " |
| 18:59.43 | drifter | - http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=1&thread=112807 |
| 19:00.18 | drifter | Third result on google for search: "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from" |
| 19:00.21 | drifter | including quotes |
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| 19:00.44 | drifter | Does this help? |
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| 19:01.19 | drifter | Though the answer is simple, I agree the error messages should be more meaningful to end-users. |
| 19:04.13 | drifter | jesuschrist: |
| 19:05.45 | x29a | whatever4ever: <villager> wow, an official update to maemo 5 today... security updates, apparently... |
| 19:06.23 | drifter | jesuschrist: If that helps, please put in a good word with your father for me. |
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| 19:07.34 | jesuschrist | drifter |
| 19:07.54 | jesuschrist | im yet to chck the linjs |
| 19:07.57 | jesuschrist | links |
| 19:08.12 | drifter | It says that the jar file isn't meant to be executable |
| 19:08.28 | jesuschrist | pure bullshit |
| 19:08.30 | jesuschrist | :) |
| 19:08.32 | ShadowJK | They started a thread about the security update a fw weeks ago on the forum |
| 19:09.03 | drifter | Is it made for a browser, is it a java midlet for cell phones, or an extension for another program? |
| 19:09.14 | drifter | What is it? |
| 19:09.20 | jesuschrist | its an app for phones |
| 19:09.25 | jesuschrist | worked like a charm on my e70 |
| 19:09.34 | ShadowJK | java midlet |
| 19:09.37 | whatever4ever | just security :< |
| 19:09.52 | drifter | is that maemo or android |
| 19:10.00 | jesuschrist | symbian |
| 19:10.21 | whatever4ever | you find an article x29a? |
| 19:11.21 | drifter | well, basically it's missing the standard executable tag |
| 19:11.43 | ShadowJK | midlets can't be run under standard java |
| 19:11.45 | Sicelo | jesuschrist: u trying to run that midlet on your N900? |
| 19:12.00 | jesuschrist | yep |
| 19:12.02 | jesuschrist | any help ? |
| 19:12.13 | Sicelo | u have MicroEmulator? |
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| 19:12.16 | jesuschrist | i dont |
| 19:12.19 | jesuschrist | i jave java se |
| 19:12.23 | jesuschrist | from oracle |
| 19:12.32 | ShadowJK | java se does not run midlets |
| 19:12.46 | jesuschrist | i thought it did, reading on maemo forums uh |
| 19:13.01 | jesuschrist | what could i use to run it then ? |
| 19:13.14 | ShadowJK | <Sicelo> u have MicroEmulator? |
| 19:13.37 | Sicelo | :) |
| 19:13.43 | jesuschrist | ill try it |
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| 19:14.25 | ShadowJK | and no, there's no app to run lego mindstorm java programs :P |
| 19:16.46 | Phlogistique | hi there |
| 19:17.08 | Phlogistique | does the default terminal support 256 colors? |
| 19:17.34 | drifter | sort of it seems |
| 19:17.47 | whatever4ever | So what's with the official nokia/maemo update today |
| 19:17.56 | Phlogistique | then something must be wrong with my setup |
| 19:18.54 | drifter | Phlogistique: I had 256 colors, but the background wouldn't change when I opened curses programs with a different bg color |
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| 19:19.04 | Sicelo | E70 is standard midp java, right, or does it have personal java too? |
| 19:19.04 | Phlogistique | anyone else uses ssh+screen+irssi to irc? care to share how you got utf8 and 256 colors working? |
| 19:19.41 | drifter | Sorry, I used irssi direct from phone |
| 19:20.09 | ShadowJK | no phone has JavaSE (except if you install it on N900) |
| 19:20.11 | Phlogistique | drifter: ok. it seems text in colors over than the 16 main colors just does not get displayed |
| 19:20.23 | ShadowJK | whatever4ever, removes diginotar cert |
| 19:21.03 | drifter | 16 colors? Well, it fooled me. |
| 19:21.25 | Sicelo | ShadowJK: Nokia 9xxx family had Personal Java (buggy though) as well as a few UIQ phones |
| 19:21.53 | jesuschrist | ok microemu works |
| 19:21.54 | jesuschrist | :) |
| 19:22.15 | drifter | Phlogistique: Are you sure colors beyond 16 are ignored? I've used irssi and vim themes that never ignored a color |
| 19:22.28 | Sicelo | kewl jesuschrist. |
| 19:22.40 | jesuschrist | letting you know, microemu works on meego too |
| 19:23.01 | drifter | Phlogistique: It might have squeezed them into 16 colors but not ignore them. |
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| 19:23.57 | Sicelo | microemu works everywhere there's standard java. u can take very same N900 Emu to your pc and it will work |
| 19:24.18 | jesuschrist | it doesnt seem designed for a virtual keyboard still |
| 19:24.55 | drifter | bye |
| 19:24.59 | Sicelo | heh, i don't use vkbd at all on my N900. i come from Nokia 9xxx background |
| 19:25.19 | jesuschrist | anyway i see |
| 19:25.24 | jesuschrist | oracle provides |
| 19:25.26 | jesuschrist | java me |
| 19:25.28 | jesuschrist | directly |
| 19:25.37 | jesuschrist | should it be able to run midlets |
| 19:25.46 | jesuschrist | directly ? |
| 19:29.32 | jesuschrist | Sicelo ? |
| 19:29.54 | ShadowJK | doubts oracle's java me installs on N900 |
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| 19:30.27 | jesuschrist | the binaries execute |
| 19:30.30 | jesuschrist | tried them |
| 19:30.34 | jesuschrist | now |
| 19:32.18 | Sicelo | i don't know jesuschrist. |
| 19:32.34 | Sicelo | Java ME :/ |
| 19:32.43 | Sicelo | link.. |
| 19:33.05 | jesuschrist | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javame/index.html |
| 19:33.21 | jesuschrist | if i understood it correctly microemu is a java me emulator |
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| 19:37.11 | jesuschrist | i think it works |
| 19:37.12 | jesuschrist | but |
| 19:37.20 | jesuschrist | obviously i miss the right syntax |
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| 19:38.03 | jesuschrist | Cannot start VM () |
| 19:38.04 | jesuschrist | Could not create JVM. |
| 19:40.36 | Sicelo | jesuschrist: i'm not a java expert. what i have been saying so far is based on my little experience. so i really have no idea why your oracle gives errors |
| 19:41.47 | Sicelo | but, that 'could not create jvm' error seems to tell me java is not ready to accept commands |
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| 19:46.45 | jesuschrist | hmm |
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| 19:54.31 | Sicelo | jvm is like your command interpreter for a language like python. if that's not there/working, your java apps won't work |
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| 20:12.30 | whatever4ever | anyone get the n900 update yet? |
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| 20:13.12 | dzho | "the" update? |
| 20:13.31 | whatever4ever | yeah, I just had teh popup |
| 20:13.36 | whatever4ever | official nokia n900 maemo update today |
| 20:13.39 | whatever4ever | Not sure what it covers though |
| 20:13.45 | whatever4ever | Someone here said it was just security |
| 20:13.57 | NIN101 | An Issue with a compromised SSL certificate authority. |
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| 20:14.32 | whatever4ever | That's it? |
| 20:14.38 | whatever4ever | It's like a multiple meg update |
| 20:15.27 | whatever4ever | Those here who have tried the n950 and the n9 - how does it compare to your beloved n900? |
| 20:15.27 | NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400 |
| 20:19.10 | Sicelo | whatever4ever: 15:58 < Trewas> funny how n9 manages to be much more laggy POS than n900 in normal use, four times the memory and still swapping like there is no tomorrow |
| 20:20.04 | whatever4ever | How is that possible? |
| 20:20.17 | whatever4ever | All other devices now, even that vally girls have, are fast as shit |
| 20:20.21 | whatever4ever | iphone, android, etc |
| 20:21.10 | Sicelo | i dunno. haven't N9 myself. we also don't know how Trewas uses his device |
| 20:21.42 | whatever4ever | It has the same cpu/gfx hardware as the n950, eh? |
| 20:22.00 | whatever4ever | I'm going to get CSSU on my n900 soon and hopefully will be more responsive |
| 20:22.23 | Sicelo | yours isn't responsive? why? |
| 20:22.40 | whatever4ever | It's an n900 |
| 20:22.48 | whatever4ever | I mean, it is fairly responsive, just slw |
| 20:23.12 | whatever4ever | Takes a long time, for example, for GPS apps to launch |
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| 20:23.27 | whatever4ever | by that time I'm already on the highway and it is hard to enter addresses :) |
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| 20:26.28 | NIN101 | the N9 uses so much ram because - afaik - they prestart some programs to make them open faster... |
| 20:27.35 | whatever4ever | So it should be less laggy then, eh? |
| 20:27.47 | NIN101 | (sure maemo does kinda the same, but...) |
| 20:27.56 | whatever4ever | Yeah, I need to learn to optimize those |
| 20:28.08 | whatever4ever | For example, having pidgin auto start, but probably not a lot of other things |
| 20:28.34 | NIN101 | s/maemo/maemo 5/ |
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| 20:29.13 | whatever4ever | Is meego still not used by most n900 powerusers on a day-to-day? |
| 20:29.20 | whatever4ever | I'm guessing it hasn't many apps |
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| 20:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | why would a power user want to use meego on N900? just for the shits'n'giggles? |
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| 20:51.00 | Trewas | Sicelo: I don't think I have done anything that special with n9, not running more than a handful of apps at a time but still it is quite often completely unresponsive when trying to unlock it |
| 20:52.45 | Trewas | and after it is unlocked you can't scroll the app menu or change between home screens without 30s delay |
| 20:54.57 | Trewas | I mean, n900 was occasionally that bad (for example copy a lot of videos to it and then unplug, and it indexes/thumbnails them), but n9 with four times the memory is just as bad every fucking day without having to do anything to trigger it |
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| 21:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | Trewas: that clearly qualifies for a reflash, and if that doesn't help (with no additional "apps" installed) then you should ask for a replacement device |
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| 21:07.07 | petteri | i think that is quite normal |
| 21:09.22 | petteri | happened to me also (probably tracker indexing or something) |
| 21:10.16 | petteri | also updating the feeds seem to "halt" the user interface |
| 21:12.23 | Trewas | yeah, I know a couple of couple people with n9's and the UI being stuck / very laggy seems unfortunately common |
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| 21:13.16 | petteri | i disabled all the feeds and have rebooted the device couple of times. It seems to be much better now than in the first week |
| 21:15.41 | Trewas | too bad there is no vmstat command, it would be easy to see how much it is swapping... I mean the 256MB swap is always completely full but I guess it is sometimes changing what is there |
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| 21:23.09 | Phlogistique | Is there a prefered way to change the default browser? |
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| 21:29.34 | whatever4ever | "(1:49:37 PM) DocScrutinizer: why would a power user want to use meego on N900? just for the shits'n'giggles?" - That's exactly the questions I was asking |
| 21:33.06 | whatever4ever | So, your implied answer is, "no reason besides to test it" |
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| 21:40.49 | ZogG | whatever4ever why would power user would want n900? |
| 21:41.24 | ZogG | when iphone is shinny with a lot of *khhhmmm* not real *khhhm* apps |
| 21:41.37 | NIN101 | yes, iPhone is better than N900 in every aspect of IT. |
| 21:41.57 | ZogG | nope |
| 21:41.59 | whatever4ever | What is going on here? |
| 21:42.05 | ZogG | in all aspect of end user |
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| 21:42.14 | whatever4ever | I can't tell if n90 has been taken over by trolls or a different user base |
| 21:42.27 | ZogG | i would even say not user |
| 21:42.31 | ZogG | but consumer |
| 21:42.34 | whatever4ever | if #maemo, rather |
| 21:45.19 | NIN101 | it was a joke, apparently... |
| 21:45.37 | ZogG | i was seriuos |
| 21:45.45 | ZogG | i liked my n900 more than iphone |
| 21:46.04 | ZogG | but just normal consumer would prefer iphone and i think it's better for him |
| 21:46.28 | ZogG | as well as i wouldn't call him user as he doesn't really fully use his phone |
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| 21:47.04 | [DarkGUNMAN] | evening |
| 21:48.55 | [DarkGUNMAN] | has anyone had success sharing the N900 wifi with a windows PC through usb? |
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| 21:58.28 | whatever4ever | [DarkGUNMAN]: why? |
| 21:58.37 | whatever4ever | Because you can't recover the wep key from the n900? |
| 21:59.04 | whatever4ever | I remember learning how to reveal wep keys entered into the n900 a while back... |
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| 22:16.16 | [DarkGUNMAN] | sorry, dropped out. |
| 22:17.43 | [DarkGUNMAN] | reason i need to share N900 wifi via usb is to get my laptop connected while I'm on holiday. reliable 3 |
| 22:18.00 | [DarkGUNMAN] | reliable 3g is not an option |
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| 22:55.17 | UberNeo | Hi All .. regarding using the MAEMO from uSD card .. still i have one confusion ... |
| 22:56.57 | UberNeo | as per DocScrutinizer .. make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id by changing 0 to 1 and vice versa .. which makes sure that now onwards .. Kernel will detect uSD as mmcblk0 and EMMC as mmcblk1 |
| 22:57.47 | UberNeo | if that is the case then no need to make any changes ..anywhere of changing .. mmcblk1 to mmcblk0 |
| 22:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 22:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's the idea |
| 22:58.36 | UberNeo | i tried just by making changes only in '/lib/udev/mmc_id' .. but thts doesnt seems to be enough |
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| 22:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-31 04:14:43] <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove |
| 22:59.49 | UberNeo | I have a reflashed the N900 again .. with no changes yet .. DocScrutinizer lemme try it one more time .. |
| 23:00.13 | UberNeo | i will just make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id with 0 to 1 and vice versa |
| 23:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes, and of course copy the whole unchanged /home /opt /whatnot to uSD |
| 23:00.57 | UberNeo | and then reboot .. with uSD card having exactly same partitions and already copied /home in p2 and MyDocs to P1 |
| 23:00.58 | ColdFyre | ahh i saw a maemo update on my n900 and then i read the topic :( |
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| 23:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: maybe blkid needs a patching as well |
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| 23:03.35 | UberNeo | DocScrutinizer: what kind of patch |
| 23:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# blkid |
| 23:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p1: UUID="4A7D-E054" TYPE="vfat" |
| 23:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk1p2: UUID="87ca03c6-9060-4e1c-aa7d-1bab8dfab6f0" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" |
| 23:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not entirely sure where from this info is gathered |
| 23:04.20 | UberNeo | how to apply that patch |
| 23:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4ACD-9F4D" TYPE="vfat" |
| 23:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="RX-51_2009SE_1.2" UUID="40b25a3e-1b57-40d3-8c4c-f90ac85f8b5d" TYPE="ext3" |
| 23:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | that'S what cmd #> blkid; shows on a 'normal' N900 |
| 23:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | iirc this info is from a file in /etc |
| 23:05.19 | NIN101 | man page says /proc/partitions |
| 23:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok |
| 23:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | then it should output correct "swapped" info on your edited system. Check it |
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| 23:06.42 | UberNeo | okk .. I am rebooting .. with just changes made in /lib/udev/mmc_id |
| 23:11.22 | UberNeo | blkid -- after just making the changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id ( nothing else) - http://pastebin.com/wVPDABhf |
| 23:12.32 | UberNeo | dmesg | grep mmc -- http://pastebin.com/Knita0H2 |
| 23:13.04 | UberNeo | mount -- http://pastebin.com/L6RPhe2J |
| 23:13.46 | UberNeo | df -h http://pastebin.com/yhPE7BWT |
| 23:14.23 | UberNeo | free - http://pastebin.com/Qv8NuXKF |
| 23:15.03 | NIN101 | MyDocs is wrong. |
| 23:15.25 | UberNeo | yes .. it shud be on /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 23:16.45 | UberNeo | also 2 old errors are back -- 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application |
| 23:18.19 | UberNeo | NIN101: shall i use the same method as discusssed on that day of adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh |
| 23:18.54 | UberNeo | also creating a startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC |
| 23:22.55 | NIN101 | yes this would work. More interesitng is that somehow the swap didn't work for MyDocs, whatever mounts it(ke-recv ?) ignores fstab and must be searching for it (via blkid?). |
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| 23:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | UberNeo: this will most likely break things on using mass storage mode |
| 23:41.18 | UberNeo | after adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh and add a new startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC .. below are the new changes .. |
| 23:41.27 | UberNeo | mount -- http://pastebin.com/mzuyPApS |
| 23:42.21 | UberNeo | still the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application 3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU % |
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| 23:44.22 | NIN101 | and why did it disappear last time? |
| 23:45.43 | UberNeo | coz .. last time .. it was actully started using the main System from EMMC ... coz of lots of messup in replacing mmcblk0 with mmcblk1 |
| 23:46.43 | UberNeo | Now it is totally on uSD .. both /home .. /opt -- MyDocs and Swap as well all on uSD |
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| 23:51.24 | NIN101 | you copied with cp -a? |
| 23:51.44 | UberNeo | yess .. i did .. |
| 23:51.58 | UberNeo | both p1 and p2 |
| 23:53.59 | UberNeo | Nokia-N900:/usr/bin# /usr/bin/image-viewer.launch |
| 23:54.00 | UberNeo | Segmentation fault |
| 23:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | seems ke-recv has hardcoded mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 and is caling /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh probably with eMMC mmcblk0 before it got even processed by udev, or at least for eMMC first. Once eMMC got mounted on MyDocs a furhter call for mounting uSD gets rejected by /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh (logger "$0: $PDEV is already mounted") |
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| 23:56.02 | NIN101 | ke-recv starts after hildon-desktop |
| 23:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | as it's maybe a bit too hackerish to edit ke-recv binary, I suggest to convert mount calls to "mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs" to mmcblk1 |
| 23:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh |
| 23:57.44 | NIN101 | that's more or less what we did. |
| 23:59.31 | DocScrutinizer | also note that no MyDocs will get mounted from eMMC when the partition type doesn't meet b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e) |
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