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| 01:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | trololo song? youtube link please :-D |
| 01:08.58 | psycho_oreos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSOqUswBfMs |
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| 01:32.42 | merlin1991 | that's not trololo, this is trololo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY :D |
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| 02:09.15 | SpeedEvil | 'Some highlights of Marco’s presentation: - Nokia Store now offers more than 900,000 apps.' |
| 02:09.35 | SpeedEvil | I guess this is counting an app on a hundred near-identical phones a hundred times? |
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| 02:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, and all of those blog links? |
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| 11:08.19 | kakashi__ | hi |
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| 11:08.26 | kakashi__ | my lockscreen seems to not work |
| 11:10.09 | psycho_oreos | standard one or that qt based? |
| 11:14.34 | kakashi__ | psycho_oreos: either of them |
| 11:14.45 | kakashi__ | the screen and keys are just not getting locked |
| 11:15.20 | psycho_oreos | kakashi__, weird, my guess is that there's a program preventing that from happening, or even potentially with a setting |
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| 11:15.29 | psycho_oreos | have you tried to lock screen manually? |
| 11:15.33 | kakashi__ | yes, |
| 11:15.41 | kakashi__ | I have, the thing is nothing works |
| 11:16.17 | kakashi__ | actually I apt-get removed most of the lockscreen applications |
| 11:16.24 | psycho_oreos | try to recall what you did last that could have potentially caused this to happen |
| 11:16.30 | kakashi__ | simply because there were clashes |
| 11:16.50 | kakashi__ | what is the main application which locks the screen? |
| 11:18.16 | kakashi__ | psycho_oreos: any idea what triggers screen lock |
| 11:18.20 | psycho_oreos | I wouldn't know that off the top of my head but I can do a check I suppose |
| 11:18.51 | kakashi__ | please |
| 11:19.29 | AlmightyOatmeal | psycho_oreos: <3 |
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| 11:27.11 | jonwil | is very pleased about the performance/functionality of his replacement operator name widget with Cell Broadcast SMS functionality |
| 11:27.16 | psycho_oreos | hmm no luck, thought I could find the process easily |
| 11:27.52 | kakashi__ | hmm |
| 11:28.11 | AlmightyOatmeal | jonwil: ? |
| 11:28.24 | jonwil | I ran another test today and its working pretty good |
| 11:28.34 | AlmightyOatmeal | psycho_oreos: checked ps while locked via ssh? find / -name lock? |
| 11:28.41 | jonwil | The way the stock lockscreen works is that MCE sends a message over dbus to the systemui daemon |
| 11:28.54 | jonwil | and then one of the plugins for that daemon actually implements the lockscreen |
| 11:29.13 | AlmightyOatmeal | well there you go. |
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| 11:30.11 | jonwil | there is libsystemuiplugin_devlock.so which I think is the screen lock |
| 11:30.21 | jonwil | and libsystemuiplugin_tklock which is the slide-to-unlock |
| 11:30.28 | jonwil | devlock being the keycode lock I think |
| 11:30.34 | kakashi__ | aha |
| 11:31.00 | psycho_oreos | AlmightyOatmeal, I checked ps, top, htop. I've even checked the contents of power menu (because mine is hacked and I do recall lock screen function was mentioned, so I thought it would directly call the binary. Contrary to all that it doesn't) |
| 11:31.33 | jonwil | the power key menu also seems to be a systemui plugin |
| 11:31.45 | jonwil | libsystemuiplugin_power_key_menu.so |
| 11:32.54 | psycho_oreos | ahh, I was trying to look for the binary osso-powerup-shutdown which doesn't exist |
| 11:33.01 | kakashi__ | how do reinstall these |
| 11:33.03 | psycho_oreos | yeah that does explain it |
| 11:34.09 | jonwil | yeah I can confirm that tklock is the slide-to-unlock |
| 11:34.29 | jonwil | I posted enough information for someone to replace the tklock plugin to the mailing list a while back |
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| 11:37.00 | psycho_oreos | is searching for the deb file containing that shared object |
| 11:38.35 | kakashi__ | psycho_oreos: thanks a lot man |
| 11:41.57 | jonwil | try osso-systemui, osso-systemui-actingdead, osso-systemui-alarm, osso-systemui-conf, osso-systemui-devlock, osso-systemui-emergency, osso-systemui-modechange, osso-systemui-powerkeymenu, osso-systemui-splashscreen and osso-systemui-tklock |
| 11:42.11 | jonwil | Those are the packages for the systemui stuff |
| 11:42.44 | kakashi__ | hmm |
| 11:42.47 | jonwil | osso-systemui-tklock seems like the answer |
| 11:43.15 | psycho_oreos | osso-systemui-powerkeymenu |
| 11:43.19 | kakashi__ | will check in a couple of mins |
| 11:43.31 | jonwil | yeah those are all the plugins you need for that |
| 11:43.35 | jonwil | Its a pitty its all closed :( |
| 11:43.54 | psycho_oreos | heh thanks to jonwil for posting that, or otherwise the searching would have taken longer, even with my custom oneliner script |
| 11:44.26 | jonwil | I have a n900 filesystem dump on my disk |
| 11:44.34 | jonwil | and regularly do full text searches of either the whole tree |
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| 11:44.43 | jonwil | or another folder I have containing just the ELF binaries |
| 11:45.12 | jonwil | the latter being for when I want to find "everything that links to blah.so" or "everything that calls blah" |
| 11:45.52 | psycho_oreos | I don't have a setup like that heh, I'm pretty much using SSH and scripting away sometimes with even oneliner commands |
| 11:46.08 | psycho_oreos | like this: for i in `dpkg -l osso-systemui*| grep ii| awk '{ print $2 }'`; do echo "----------------" && echo $i && echo "---------------------" && dpkg -L $i| grep libsystemuiplugin_power_key_menu.so; done |
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| 11:54.48 | psycho_oreos | jonwil, Re: cell broadcast SMS, does that tell you the cell tower name? or something else I'm gathering? |
| 11:55.05 | jonwil | it will display any tower name the tower is sending on channel 50 |
| 11:55.11 | jonwil | not all networks send those messages |
| 11:55.54 | psycho_oreos | hmm I'm tempted to give that a try on mine, I'm with crazy johns which is part of VHA |
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| 11:56.21 | strannik1 | Hello |
| 11:56.44 | psycho_oreos | hi |
| 11:57.23 | strannik1 | Are you guys hard core n900 users? :) or n9 users? |
| 11:57.42 | Sicelo | :P |
| 11:57.53 | strannik1 | Because meego is like a cross between meego and maemo |
| 11:58.01 | psycho_oreos | n9 users mainly lurk in #harmattan :þ along with `special' n950 users |
| 11:58.05 | strannik1 | I mean harmattan * |
| 11:58.18 | strannik1 | Hehe fair enough |
| 11:58.24 | psycho_oreos | and here comes that age old debate again about harmattan |
| 11:58.33 | jacekowski | btw. have you seen nokia lumia |
| 11:58.51 | psycho_oreos | yeah, its rubbish |
| 11:58.57 | jacekowski | why |
| 11:59.00 | strannik1 | Nah , sort of . Not interested by wp7 |
| 11:59.11 | jacekowski | wp7 may pick up |
| 11:59.21 | jacekowski | ms can spend a lot on marketing |
| 11:59.43 | jonwil | I think what I will do for the cell broadcast SMS stuff is to add a full set of logging (and a control panel option to turn on/off said logging) |
| 11:59.45 | strannik1 | They should have given some phones out to celebrities first |
| 11:59.47 | jonwil | and then turn the logging on |
| 11:59.50 | psycho_oreos | 1) its not linux, 2) it's design is similar to N9 which is a further attempt to mock N9, 3) the windows logo look ghey, period |
| 12:00.05 | jonwil | and run a huge test passing through as many different cells as possible |
| 12:00.08 | jonwil | to catch a nice big log |
| 12:00.40 | jonwil | which will tell me if what I am getting in the logs match up what I should be seeing |
| 12:01.15 | psycho_oreos | and I couldn't care less if wp7/mango picks up the market or if it dominated/superseded iOS/android |
| 12:01.38 | woldrich | what's wp7/mango ? |
| 12:02.01 | psycho_oreos | wp7 = windows phone 7, mango = some prototype naming used for wp8 probably |
| 12:02.07 | MohammadAG | something you shouldn't speak of here |
| 12:02.12 | psycho_oreos | exactly |
| 12:02.18 | MohammadAG | I thought mango was 7.5 though |
| 12:02.28 | psycho_oreos | nfi :) I couldn't care less like I said |
| 12:02.30 | jonwil | yeah mango is 7.5 |
| 12:02.39 | jonwil | I refuse to use Windows Phone |
| 12:02.43 | psycho_oreos | same here |
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| 12:02.47 | woldrich | oh, so its possible to get bluescreens on phones now as well? |
| 12:03.10 | MohammadAG | I thought they replaced the useful info with a :( |
| 12:03.12 | psycho_oreos | and in the time of need, you get a bsod on a phone.. very handy indeed :) |
| 12:03.57 | psycho_oreos | maybe it'll be no longer an excuse to come to work late when your alarm clock fails to wake you up because it has bsod and you're running failphone.. err winphone |
| 12:04.10 | woldrich | no one will ever came up with something better than this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation#Commercially_available_guru_error_handler_on_the_old_Amiga_os |
| 12:05.28 | _trine | maybe it should be called mangeo |
| 12:05.38 | woldrich | mongo |
| 12:06.47 | _trine | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mange |
| 12:06.54 | _trine | mangeo |
| 12:08.29 | kakashi__ | thanks a jonwil and psycho_oreos it the lockscreen works now |
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| 12:12.07 | kakashi__ | the only problem that I have is, the qtlockscreen after locking the screen, when the powerbutton is pressed, it just shows the the qtlockscreen theme and gets back - I didn't even need to click anything |
| 12:12.12 | kakashi__ | can this be stopped? |
| 12:13.18 | psycho_oreos | powerkey menu probably missing? though I thought you got rid of that |
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| 12:14.50 | kakashi__ | psycho_oreos: I insalled osso-systemui-tklock |
| 12:15.01 | kakashi__ | and it solved the issue of locking the screen |
| 12:15.27 | psycho_oreos | kakashi__, I meant qtlockscreen |
| 12:16.45 | kakashi__ | psycho_oreos: I did, but I reinstalled it just now |
| 12:17.09 | kakashi__ | psycho_oreos: what is better? qtlockscreen or enhanced lockscreen |
| 12:17.30 | psycho_oreos | kakashi__, well I don't have any experience with qtlockscreen, I'm only using the standard lockscreen |
| 12:18.32 | jonwil | someone should write a proper lockscreen replacement that genuinely replaces the standard lockscreen :) |
| 12:18.58 | kakashi__ | nods |
| 12:19.07 | kakashi__ | actually I hate the native lockscreen module |
| 12:19.24 | jonwil | I posted all the information required to do that to the mailing list before |
| 12:19.47 | kakashi__ | jonwil: link please |
| 12:21.25 | jonwil | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-July/028472.html |
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| 12:21.51 | jonwil | Thats all the technical info someone with the right programming skills would need to know |
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| 12:29.04 | Strannik | Hey again |
| 12:29.22 | strannik1 | So any of you got a n9 yet? |
| 12:29.31 | hiemanshu | strannik1: #n9 |
| 12:29.52 | MohammadAG | seriously? another channel? |
| 12:30.00 | strannik1 | But n9 is maemo+qt |
| 12:30.03 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 12:30.11 | MohammadAG | we never had #n900 #maemo5 #fremantle |
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| 12:30.21 | MohammadAG | #meego #harmattan #maemo are enough |
| 12:30.28 | strannik1 | Grr , i hate how the community is splitting appart |
| 12:30.37 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: see the topic in #harmattan |
| 12:30.46 | hiemanshu | #N9 is end user support apparently |
| 12:30.53 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, doesn't change the fact it's another channel |
| 12:31.15 | psycho_oreos | and I thought #harmattan was channel for N9/N950 |
| 12:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: we also never had #maemo users asking "how would I install nosmoke.exe to N9?" |
| 12:31.58 | hiemanshu | #harmattan is a dev channel |
| 12:32.08 | MohammadAG | no one said that |
| 12:32.19 | hiemanshu | see the /topic :P |
| 12:32.26 | strannik1 | Yea so do the n950 people get their own channel? |
| 12:32.27 | MohammadAG | * Topic for #harmattan is: A place for harmattan device and development discussion |
| 12:32.33 | MohammadAG | Device AND Development |
| 12:32.39 | MohammadAG | strannik1, I hope not |
| 12:32.54 | hiemanshu | yeah, and end user is in #N9 |
| 12:33.01 | MohammadAG | WHY?! |
| 12:33.19 | MohammadAG | the end user has a device |
| 12:33.25 | MohammadAG | #harmattan's the place for that |
| 12:33.33 | hiemanshu | I didn't do it, don't blame/ask me :D |
| 12:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | to keep #harmattan focused on harmattan development ? |
| 12:33.41 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 12:33.49 | MohammadAG | it's not like we're a team of 24/7 elite hackers |
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| 12:34.58 | strannik1 | What if i managed to delete the qt, and other harmattan components of an n9 |
| 12:35.07 | strannik1 | Turning it into a pseudo maemo device |
| 12:35.16 | strannik1 | Where would i talk about that? |
| 12:35.23 | jonwil | you cant |
| 12:35.25 | strannik1 | In the pseudo maemo # channel? |
| 12:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | sure not, but 5 "normal" users in a vivid discussion about the benefits and cons of magenta case might well reduce the S/N of #harmattan to a point where the rather complex themes of harmattan (system) development become umbearable to follow |
| 12:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | strannik1: that's a topic that |
| 12:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | 's ok for #armattan |
| 12:36.22 | DocScrutinizer | #harmattan even |
| 12:36.51 | jonwil | to my mind, #harmattan should be for dev and technical discussion of the N9/N950, #maemo should be for dev and technical discussion of the N900, #meego-arm should be for discussion of pure meego on all 3 devices and #n9 should be for people who just bought a N9 and want to talk about it |
| 12:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 12:37.25 | strannik1 | Ok fair enough .. Makes sense |
| 12:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | and we're not strict about it, just a rule of thumb to get the most out of IRC for everybody |
| 12:38.06 | psycho_oreos | more like #maemo should be for dev and technical discussion of maemo devices (N900, N810, N800 and 770) |
| 12:38.07 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: now please, *WHY* it :P |
| 12:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: god point |
| 12:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | good* |
| 12:38.59 | strannik1 | I was just a little a put off when i joined #meego and people wouldnt talk about harmattan. I think meego, harmattan and maemo can all profit from each other |
| 12:39.11 | psycho_oreos | even the its relatively minor point update to jonwil's initial point |
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| 12:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | strannik1: no, more often than not they tend to interfere |
| 12:40.11 | psycho_oreos | harmattan fyi is quite different to meego, in terms of package management difference being a major point |
| 12:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | the answer to s simple question can be completely different depending on whether you ask it in #maemo, #harmattan, or #meego(-arm) |
| 12:41.16 | strannik1 | This is a problem with linux unix operating systems in general |
| 12:41.17 | psycho_oreos | and include #maemo-ssu if you're using CSSU |
| 12:41.34 | strannik1 | Even though packages would have changed between similair distros |
| 12:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | and users *never* place a [context: harmattan] tag at head of the questions they ask |
| 12:42.14 | strannik1 | ... Actually true , the channels are good as they are |
| 12:42.15 | MohammadAG | then what's #maemo-dev for? |
| 12:42.18 | MohammadAG | off topic? |
| 12:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | #maemo-dev been dead for > 1 year |
| 12:42.43 | psycho_oreos | I thought that was dead heh |
| 12:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | dunno about #mer |
| 12:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | #n9 /topic: >>N9 users meet here to chat about screen protectors, best offers, flashing, hippest apps etc. Basically all the things that are not development related. Developers will want to join #harmattan.<< |
| 12:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | any critics? |
| 12:45.04 | jabis | the trouble is finding the correct context to vent out your questions - there should an wiki-page about different channels and their topics for easy integration to the community |
| 12:45.21 | jabis | +correct |
| 12:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 12:45.26 | woldrich | grep |
| 12:45.51 | hiemanshu | awk |
| 12:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | for now it's more like a "linked list" of topics |
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| 12:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | if your IRC client doesn't show topic by default, you might feel like it's a bit cumbersome :-D |
| 12:48.50 | _trine | is there any other phone with similar or better specs that runs linux in a similar way to the N900 |
| 12:49.05 | psycho_oreos | far less activity in #n9 compared to #harmattan, I wonder how long would new n9 owners last in #n9 before finding out the boredom of idling in there before joining #harmattan |
| 12:51.03 | psycho_oreos | N900 is not a phone |
| 12:51.19 | strannik1 | There is no spoon |
| 12:51.27 | strannik1 | There is no phone |
| 12:52.06 | _trine | psycho_oreos, oh no I forgot its something stick up your bum hoping it vibrates now and again |
| 12:52.31 | _trine | of course its a phone and other things too |
| 12:52.38 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: I'd like to investigate prior opening dozens of channels that _could_ be related x) |
| 12:52.41 | psycho_oreos | _trine, if you find N900 useful for that purposes then by all means do it |
| 12:52.52 | psycho_oreos | s/purposes/purpose/ |
| 12:53.19 | _trine | psycho_oreos, can you provide one of your written guides as to the best way to do it? |
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| 12:54.08 | psycho_oreos | _trine, I was pointing that towards you, don't try to push that back onto me for I have better uses with N900 rather than sticking up into a cavity space |
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| 12:55.03 | _trine | psycho_oreos, and its clear you have personal experiences to might like to share with the rest of us |
| 12:55.22 | psycho_oreos | _trine, look who is talking |
| 12:55.31 | _trine | we're not homophobic here feel free |
| 12:55.34 | _trine | :) |
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| 12:55.45 | AlmightyOatmeal | _trine: quit being a douche, you're embarassing yourself. |
| 12:56.05 | _trine | AlmightyOatmeal, sticking up for your friend now are you |
| 12:56.12 | _trine | he started it |
| 12:56.36 | AlmightyOatmeal | i read the backlog, you started it. and i don't know psycho_oreos, but i'm sick of your sick banter. |
| 12:56.39 | _trine | is life gettting too tough when he starts it and bites off more than he can chew |
| 12:56.40 | psycho_oreos | _trine, I didn't start the topic of shoving it up into one's cavity and using it as a vibrator. You're the one that referred it |
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| 12:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: #n9 is 24h old, and N9 sales just started, not even all devels got a N9 yet. And boredom on #N9 depends on the users joining it. We seen similar parallel chans for devel/end-user for several other projects and usually everybody's fine with it and the end-user channels see a hype after some time, for some time, while the devel chan starts earlier, sustains a lower lever of users, but this for a longer time |
| 12:57.06 | AlmightyOatmeal | psycho_oreos: don't feed the trolls, their hunger is relentless. |
| 12:57.13 | _trine | psycho_oreos, I asked a reasonable question and you decided to get smart |
| 12:57.30 | AlmightyOatmeal | _trine: stop acting like a spoiled child. |
| 12:57.31 | _trine | so that makes you a smart arse |
| 12:57.44 | AlmightyOatmeal | which didn't give you the right to act immature. |
| 12:57.48 | AlmightyOatmeal | so stop. |
| 12:58.02 | _trine | AlmightyOatmeal, if you have nothing to add please just be quiet |
| 12:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | other projects missed the end-user chan and the hype from end-users basically killed off all devel activity leaving the chan in a zombie state after end-users bewildered devels and then end users also went on |
| 12:58.25 | jabis | blech - kindergarden day @ #maemo |
| 12:58.27 | _trine | I asked a reasonable question which required if anything a reasonable answer |
| 12:58.30 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, *shrug* I guess time will tell though, it just seems as though #n9 is pretty dead despite the fact that I'm sure there's plenty of n9 owners out there, maybe even ex-n900 owners now with n9 |
| 12:58.32 | AlmightyOatmeal | jabis: indeed |
| 12:58.48 | AlmightyOatmeal | trumee: you're acting unreasonably immature, you don't deserve a reasonable answer. behave or leave. |
| 12:58.51 | AlmightyOatmeal | oops |
| 12:59.03 | _trine | my reasonable question which started the shite from psycho_oreos was |
| 12:59.04 | AlmightyOatmeal | _trine: you're acting unreasonably immature, you don't deserve a reasonable answer. behave or leave. |
| 12:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: again: #n9 is 24h old and never been publically announced |
| 12:59.11 | _trine | is there any other phone with similar or better specs that runs linux in a similar way to the N900 |
| 12:59.28 | _trine | now why should that illicit crap from psycho_oreos |
| 12:59.36 | psycho_oreos | AlmightyOatmeal, its amazing to see such prejudice amongst some people thinking a simple correction could overstate one's stance is being a smartarse |
| 12:59.54 | AlmightyOatmeal | psycho_oreos: people are amusing aren't they? |
| 13:00.10 | psycho_oreos | AlmightyOatmeal, the world is never short of surprises |
| 13:00.54 | AlmightyOatmeal | psycho_oreos: indeed. i stopped asking the key question 'why' a long long time ago. seems stupidity is contageous and if i tried to figure them out i would surely fall ill |
| 13:01.18 | _trine | I have mentioned it before on this channel its full of kids with kids mentality |
| 13:01.30 | AlmightyOatmeal | _trine: and you are one to speak, HA |
| 13:02.00 | AlmightyOatmeal | you're throwing a childish tantrum because you didn't get what you wanted because you were acting like a dick. how are you not surprised by the response you're getting due to your conduct? |
| 13:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | ponders 3 nice +q |
| 13:02.29 | psycho_oreos | AlmightyOatmeal, inevitable really. The level of stupidity in certain entities just cannot be measured |
| 13:02.34 | AlmightyOatmeal | DocScrutinizer: i second that. |
| 13:02.40 | _trine | AlmightyOatmeal, I am not bothered about not getting an answer but stupidity form psycho_oreos will get answered |
| 13:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | in other words: please stop it now |
| 13:03.04 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, your at fault to by allowing it to go on |
| 13:03.05 | AlmightyOatmeal | psycho_oreos: my heart grows sad.. |
| 13:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | that can get fixed |
| 13:03.33 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 13:03.45 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, you should not allow comments to be made when a reasonable question was asked |
| 13:03.49 | *** mode/#maemo [+q _trine!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 13:03.57 | AlmightyOatmeal | ty |
| 13:04.19 | AlmightyOatmeal | i feel a sense of serenity once again |
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| 13:10.52 | jabis | enjoys the silence |
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| 13:36.40 | jonwil | hmmm, I have a string suspicion my operator widget is leaking memory |
| 13:37.05 | dm8tbr | I think nowadays there is valgrind for ARM :) |
| 13:37.16 | jonwil | hmmm yeah |
| 13:37.19 | jonwil | valgrind could help |
| 13:37.36 | dm8tbr | dunno if someone compiled it for fremantle |
| 13:37.45 | dm8tbr | I think I've seen it for harmattan though |
| 13:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | valgrind is in tools |
| 13:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/valgrind |
| 13:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/valgrind/ |
| 13:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/valgrind-3.6.0/ |
| 13:41.35 | jonwil | great |
| 13:43.05 | jonwil | I think finally figuring out all these connui functions has inspired me to dig deeper into reverse engineering the beast that is Fremantle :) |
| 13:44.03 | jonwil | Just not sure what to tackle next... |
| 13:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:44.15 | ZogG | MohammadAG, ping |
| 13:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 |
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| 13:45.09 | jesuschrist | hello |
| 13:45.48 | jesuschrist | found a n9 for 470 |
| 13:45.49 | MohammadAG | ZogG, pong |
| 13:46.01 | jonwil | if anyone has any specific closed source bits that would be worth reverse engineering, tell me about it :) |
| 13:46.02 | jesuschrist | should i pull the trigger? |
| 13:46.33 | jesuschrist | n9 for 470 euro |
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| 13:47.10 | zogg_laptop | i remember there were few guys from Israel here? anyone remember who is it? |
| 13:47.47 | jesuschrist | i was, and they crucified me :( |
| 13:48.00 | zogg_laptop | =) |
| 13:48.43 | MohammadAG | cityLights and someone |
| 13:48.57 | MohammadAG | I can't remember who, but a grep for red / bezeqint will help |
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| 13:56.22 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG: i don't have all logs |
| 13:56.23 | luke-jr | can N900 take 2.1 amps from a charger? |
| 13:56.43 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG: anyway i'll PM you about your n950 |
| 13:57.12 | luke-jr | ie, iPad chargers |
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| 13:58.19 | Corsac | jesuschrist: 16G? |
| 13:58.29 | jesuschrist | \6 |
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| 13:58.31 | jesuschrist | yeah |
| 13:58.33 | jesuschrist | 16gb |
| 13:59.04 | jesuschrist | what do you think about the price Corsac? |
| 14:01.33 | ShadowJK | luke-jr; as long as it's a dc voltage regulated 5V powersupply, it doesn't matter if it says 9000 amps on it |
| 14:01.48 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: k |
| 14:01.51 | ShadowJK | as long as it's at least 0.5 Amp |
| 14:02.02 | luke-jr | actually, weird thing recently: I was charging on a MBP and both it and N900 rebooted x.x |
| 14:02.31 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: also, happen to know what the max amps N900 will /take advantage of/? |
| 14:02.49 | ShadowJK | about 0.95 |
| 14:02.54 | luke-jr | oh? :/ |
| 14:03.07 | luke-jr | I thought the stock charger did 1.5, and it can't even use that? :| |
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| 14:03.43 | jabis | hrm - something wrong with my usb-port - N9 says too weak to charge |
| 14:04.23 | luke-jr | people actually bought N9? O.o |
| 14:04.48 | brik | jabis: might be the N9 and not the USB port, I have that problem too sometimes |
| 14:05.01 | brik | could try closing stuff |
| 14:05.25 | brik | yes, we did :o |
| 14:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no way |
| 14:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, ShadowJK picked it up |
| 14:05.46 | jabis | there isn't anything running :) just noticed it a few minutes ago (battery died during the night) that it's not charging |
| 14:05.54 | ShadowJK | techically you can program the charger chip to 1.25A. However, the battery's max spec is 0.93A. I however tried it with mugen's brick battery which should be able to accept twice as much. There was alot of heat, so I stopped it. |
| 14:06.00 | luke-jr | will never buy a keyboardless device :P |
| 14:06.48 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: good to know… |
| 14:07.07 | zogg_laptop | MohammadAG: you ignoring me ? =) |
| 14:07.09 | luke-jr | anyone know if that charging script will limit to 0.93A? |
| 14:07.10 | jabis | luke, more than keyboardless I find it a disgrace my bluetooth kbd's aren't working with it -.- |
| 14:07.33 | jabis | s/more/more upsetting/( |
| 14:07.35 | brik | strange |
| 14:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: too weak to charge? please elaborate |
| 14:08.15 | luke-jr | i2cset -y -m 0xff 2 0x6b 0x01 0xc8; i2cset -y -m 0xc0 2 0x6b 0x00 0x00; |
| 14:08.17 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: yeh - says signal too weak to charge |
| 14:08.21 | luke-jr | should that be safe? XD |
| 14:08.23 | ShadowJK | luke-jr; my charge script? Yeah it's programmed to 950mA (closest to 930, and system load will more than make up for the excess 20mA) |
| 14:08.38 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: is that yours? |
| 14:08.47 | luke-jr | I have no idea where I found it :x |
| 14:09.04 | ShadowJK | charge*.sh |
| 14:09.12 | luke-jr | I just named it 'bc' on my system :P |
| 14:09.29 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: I just changed to charging from wall outlet and it's nao happily charging |
| 14:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no, it's my original draft it seems |
| 14:09.50 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: sounds likely-- is that safe? |
| 14:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | parts of it, missing the wd tickling |
| 14:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | I recommend ShadowJK charge.sh though |
| 14:10.37 | luke-jr | link? |
| 14:10.38 | ShadowJK | charge21.sh is latest |
| 14:10.52 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt |
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| 14:11.06 | ShadowJK | needs i2c-tools from extras-devel |
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| 14:11.31 | luke-jr | I only use script on Gentoo ;) |
| 14:11.33 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/meegocharge.tar on "MeeGo" or modern kernel |
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| 14:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | err how's kernel involved? |
| 14:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | please don't say bq27200.ko |
| 14:12.39 | LaoLang_cool | What do you think the playback quality of n900, compared with iphone4? |
| 14:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | playback of what? |
| 14:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | to what? |
| 14:13.20 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: normal kernel won't work? |
| 14:13.31 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, I don't know what's normal |
| 14:13.32 | LaoLang_cool | sorry my poor English, I mean the audio playing quality |
| 14:13.40 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: stock Maemo or power kernels? |
| 14:13.44 | LaoLang_cool | music playing quality... |
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| 14:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: charge.sh is mostly kernel agnostic for all I can see |
| 14:14.18 | ShadowJK | normal maemo kernel works, I haven't tested that random pile of patches known as pk :P |
| 14:14.32 | luke-jr | looks like I need to patch it to use syslog instead of non-existent MyDocs |
| 14:14.50 | ShadowJK | or just comment it out |
| 14:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 14:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: I think the quality of audio is rather excellent |
| 14:15.37 | ShadowJK | If you have the bq27xx_something modules loaded, it migt be better to take get_volt and similar from meegocharge.tar |
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| 14:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | naw, it'd be better to blacklist that module ;-P |
| 14:16.18 | Corsac | jesuschrist: not too bad if it's with all taxes |
| 14:16.24 | Corsac | jesuschrist: where exactly though? |
| 14:16.43 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: compared with iphone4 or other smart phone or mp3 device? It's too subject though :) |
| 14:16.58 | jesuschrist | Corsac : second hand, from a guy displeased by it |
| 14:17.06 | jesuschrist | 2 weeks old |
| 14:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | compared to what I could figure it might be |
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| 14:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | LaoLang_cool: it's just "good enough" for my hifi-enthusiast ears |
| 14:17.58 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: hahaha, cool |
| 14:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | main factor is the headset though, as almost always |
| 14:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | the device has way higher quality than any arbitrary headphone |
| 14:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | the max volume could be higher |
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| 14:19.52 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer: enough, great |
| 14:20.05 | ShadowJK | with my earphones, volume step 1 2 and 3 is all I need |
| 14:20.15 | ShadowJK | and sometimes I use alsamixer to make a 0.75 |
| 14:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | odds are you encounter sub-second dropouts on cetain system activities though. Not the hw's fault |
| 14:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | I rarely see that on BT and think I never encountered it on wired headset |
| 14:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | other users complained more, probably related to their particular set of running applets and general system config |
| 14:22.39 | ShadowJK | it's IO related, the media player has shit buffer management, and you get dropouts when it can't get data from emmc fast enough |
| 14:22.51 | ShadowJK | I get no dropouts at all over wifi, for example :P |
| 14:23.00 | ShadowJK | (as long as my internet isn't breaking) |
| 14:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, somewhat related to swap hell |
| 14:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | I think though it's the kswapd that runs on higher prio than PA and thus causes PA to stop working for 100..200ms when device starts heavy swapping |
| 14:24.34 | jonwil | bah, this isnt working |
| 14:24.51 | LaoLang_cool | Is it easy to write a "hello world!\n" in C on N900? I'm new for programming. cc hello.c is enough like on computer? |
| 14:25.28 | luke-jr | LaoLang_cool: N900 is just a computer. |
| 14:25.41 | luke-jr | LaoLang_cool: Maemo doesn't really have a (sane) compiler, though |
| 14:25.46 | luke-jr | LaoLang_cool: I run Gentoo |
| 14:26.16 | ShadowJK | It's more related to IO scheduler being unaware of how flash behaves. While random reads can give megabytes/s, random writes are more like kilobytes/sec, and the scheduler treats them the same, so writes cause disproportionately large latency |
| 14:27.11 | LaoLang_cool | luke-jr: you run gentoo on N900? What do you mean "maemo doesn't really have a compiler"? do you mean that I can't write even the simplest "hello" program in C and compile it on N900? |
| 14:27.40 | ShadowJK | You could install build-essential from SDK repo, but you'll run out of diskspace really really fast. |
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| 14:28.16 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK: sounds terrible! |
| 14:28.54 | ShadowJK | People write such gigantic programs they got tired of waiting on N900 to compile it, and use their PC instead |
| 14:28.58 | ShadowJK | to compile programs |
| 14:30.05 | LaoLang_cool | ShadowJK: no, I mean simple program in hundreds KB size... not such a big project in giga size. |
| 14:30.40 | ShadowJK | Well you've got 90 megs free, and build-essential probably takes half of it, so if you don't install anything else you'd probably be fine |
| 14:31.49 | LaoLang_cool | oh too bad |
| 14:31.55 | LaoLang_cool | I got the point |
| 14:32.00 | LaoLang_cool | thanks |
| 14:33.07 | jonwil | yeah it seems like compiling on-device is theoretically possible but so difficult as to be not worth the effort |
| 14:33.17 | jonwil | mostly due to the need to find enough space for all the dev packages |
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| 14:39.04 | luke-jr | LaoLang_cool: Maemo was designed with the expectation that you cross-compile binaries for it on another computer |
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| 14:39.15 | luke-jr | LaoLang_cool: I run Gentoo on the N900, yes |
| 14:39.32 | jack_lt | hmm after I have my usb keybd working (via extkbd), I can't get my nokia bluetooth keybd connected anymore |
| 14:39.54 | luke-jr | LaoLang_cool: usually in a chroot from Maemo |
| 14:40.12 | jack_lt | it looks like extkbd is set back to my lenovo keybd after connecting the bluetooth keybd, which then disconnects |
| 14:40.19 | jack_lt | after a few seconds |
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| 14:55.02 | jonwil | wishes he could thank the guy at Nokia that came up with connui_cell_net_status_register |
| 14:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | bug #303 |
| 14:55.31 | povbot` | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/303 Clock should allow configurable 12h/24h display |
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| 15:06.13 | ErwinJunge | Wow, 4 years to implement a 24h clock... Not sure if that was your point, but that bug report is shocking. |
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| 15:19.20 | jonwil | ok, good, its now printing all the logs I need |
| 15:19.28 | jonwil | my cell broadcast widget that is |
| 15:19.31 | LaoLang_cool | cool! |
| 15:19.45 | ShadowJK | has 24h clock on n900 |
| 15:19.57 | ShadowJK | from day 1! |
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| 15:20.41 | jonwil | it now prints a log entry anytime the current cell name is thrown away |
| 15:20.53 | jonwil | and a log entry any time it gets a cell tower name broadcast SMS |
| 15:21.00 | jonwil | which includes both the name and the cell ID |
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| 15:22.30 | jonwil | that will let me go on a odyssey either tomorrow or Monday and pass through as many cells as possible to get lots of logs of what towers I see |
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| 15:23.06 | jonwil | I bet there are multiple towers (with different cell IDs) squawking the same tower name |
| 15:23.11 | jonwil | at least for some locations |
| 15:23.25 | jonwil | hmmm, maybe I should also log any time the cell tower ID changes |
| 15:23.39 | jonwil | yes lets |
| 15:23.41 | jonwil | :) |
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| 15:27.01 | jonwil | final test, once this works, I plug my phone into charger and go to bed :P. Tomorrow I see what I can do about logging stuff :) |
| 15:27.38 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
| 15:27.47 | jonwil | wonders if repeatedly rebooting his phone is going to be bad for it or not |
| 15:28.45 | jonwil | test successful :) |
| 15:29.23 | jonwil | hey, is /home/user safe to write logs to (i.e. am I going to fill that space up if I keep logging too much?) |
| 15:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | reboots are "cheap" - no significan wear with it |
| 15:29.56 | jonwil | is the best way to reboot to power-off then power-on-again? |
| 15:30.01 | jonwil | or is there a better way? |
| 15:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | rebot for what purpose? |
| 15:31.21 | jonwil | reboot because I need to get the next test iteration of the cbsms widget to load |
| 15:31.25 | jonwil | and rebooting is the way to do that |
| 15:33.23 | jonwil | as for /home/user, I think its safe to write to |
| 15:33.37 | jonwil | since that's on emmc |
| 15:33.45 | jonwil | and is large enough |
| 15:33.58 | jonwil | plus if I do fill it up, its not going to stop the phone booting or running AFAIK |
| 15:34.05 | jonwil | which will let me remove the oversized log file and move on :) |
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| 15:35.02 | SpeedEvil | 'reboot' |
| 15:35.04 | SpeedEvil | the command |
| 15:35.16 | jonwil | ok, yeah that seems easier |
| 15:35.23 | jonwil | less effort |
| 15:35.31 | jonwil | and less wear and tear on the power button :P |
| 15:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 17:44.44 | kakashi__ | are you able to sync to gpodder.net? |
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| 21:25.22 | HyperSnyper | anyone got suggestion for places shipping "Genuine" BL-5J batteries to uk |
| 21:25.56 | HyperSnyper | orderd 2 of amazon claiming to be genuine but one i've tried only lasts 2 hours usage on fulll charge, and hologram just doesn't look right |
| 21:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | better go for second soure than for fake genuine |
| 21:26.56 | HyperSnyper | or if u use 3rd party ones Doc i'd give them ago ;P |
| 21:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | there's that incredibly awesome guy on tmo testing *all* batteries you can think of |
| 21:28.05 | HyperSnyper | tmo ? |
| 21:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~tmo |
| 21:28.41 | infobot | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 21:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568&page=40 |
| 21:28.55 | HyperSnyper | oh |
| 21:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | scratch the page=40 |
| 21:29.15 | jaska | troll.maemo.org should be a cname for talk |
| 21:30.14 | HyperSnyper | do you use genuine nokia battery in yours ? |
| 21:30.17 | HyperSnyper | or 3rd party |
| 21:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 |
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| 21:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | Imostly use "genuine" as the one is a second hand one supposedly genuine and works just fine, cost me 20% of original |
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| 21:34.16 | ShadowJK | probably Japod from DX is highest capacity battery now |
| 21:34.21 | ShadowJK | not counting mugenbrick |
| 21:34.38 | HyperSnyper | yeh was just looking at that one |
| 21:35.09 | HyperSnyper | got another question, how does the n900 choose cell tower to connect to ? |
| 21:35.31 | HyperSnyper | when im at the end of my road it uses a different cell tower and i get around 400KB/s average 3.5G |
| 21:35.42 | HyperSnyper | at home its on another an di seem to get around 100KB/s |
| 21:35.49 | HyperSnyper | is it possible to manuall change |
| 21:36.01 | HyperSnyper | end of my road being about 200m |
| 21:36.26 | ShadowJK | as far as I've understood, the modem keeps tracks of towers it can hear, the operator has set thresholds for when a phone should switch |
| 21:36.45 | SpeedEvil | HyperSnyper: no. |
| 21:36.48 | HyperSnyper | so that would be hidden in one of the closed source areas ? |
| 21:36.49 | zogg_laptop | ~ping |
| 21:36.49 | infobot | ~pong |
| 21:36.50 | ShadowJK | So it's not possible to manually change |
| 21:36.50 | SpeedEvil | HyperSnyper: Other than with a dish. |
| 21:36.52 | SpeedEvil | HyperSnyper: no |
| 21:37.00 | SpeedEvil | HyperSnyper: It's in a different processor. |
| 21:37.24 | HyperSnyper | :/ |
| 21:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | feels honored by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1053809#post1053809 |
| 21:37.26 | ShadowJK | The whole system is kinda built around the operator having control over what tower phones talk to, too |
| 21:37.46 | HyperSnyper | guessed so, but thought id better ask anyway |
| 21:37.48 | HyperSnyper | :P |
| 21:38.39 | ShadowJK | Sometimes I used to play around with blocking the phone's signal long enough that it started searching for something else, then unblocking it, and then it'd sometimes stay on the alternative tower |
| 21:38.42 | SpeedEvil | wonders if the n900 has the grunt to do SDR-GSM. |
| 21:38.46 | SpeedEvil | I suspect not. |
| 21:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | (<ShadowJK> as far as I've understood, the modem keeps tracks of towers it can hear, the operator has set thresholds for when a phone should switch) yes exactly, called C1, C2 (Criterion) |
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| 21:39.03 | SpeedEvil | You may be able to find a spot in your hose where it listens to the right tower. |
| 21:39.32 | HyperSnyper | not really that fussed about 3.5G at home was just more of an interest in if it's possible |
| 21:40.06 | ShadowJK | In my house I get 3 kbyte/s in one place, and then 30cm away from that place I get 5Mbit/s |
| 21:40.10 | ShadowJK | on same tower |
| 21:40.14 | HyperSnyper | ShadowJK microwave housing work for blocking ? |
| 21:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | on Nokia 6210 (et al) net monitor you had a chance to force cellmo to a certain tower |
| 21:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 21:40.56 | ShadowJK | HyperSnyper, I used hands, and also monitored the status with my PC. not practical |
| 21:41.53 | HyperSnyper | heh |
| 21:43.50 | ShadowJK | I had to block it just long enough that it decided it shoudl switch, but not so long that it would realize that signal of all other towers also went down |
| 21:43.54 | ShadowJK | :P |
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| 21:45.26 | ShadowJK | grrr, these phillips earphones are driving me mad. I have to ground every gadget that has a wallwart unless I want to get shocked inside my ears |
| 21:45.38 | HyperSnyper | ¬¬ |
| 21:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | nuke philips |
| 21:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | get a proper GSM yagi |
| 21:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | get adapter for the test socket |
| 21:47.56 | mtnbkr-laptop | HyperSnyper: If you like, I can ship you (2) official Nokia BL-5J batteries. One I got with my N900 and one I bought separately... both are real.legit, and I can also send you one of the extended life (forget the brand but it was the #1rated by that crazy battery testing guy)... My N900 is no workie and I had bought a bunch of spare batteries before it died... |
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| 21:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | plug yagi to N900 and point at BTS you want to connect to |
| 21:48.57 | mtnbkr-laptop | I'd be happy to just send them to you. I have no need for them and am not looking to make any $ off of it. They are all very new (a few months old with very little use) except for the one marked #1 which came with the N900 |
| 21:49.47 | mtnbkr-laptop | I can msg you my email if you like... We are in the middle of a ptryy major snow stormin the North east USA and power is on and off and on and off so I may be in and or out of here shortly. |
| 21:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | (force cellmo to a BTS) forced cell reselect (display 17) |
| 21:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://nobbi.com/download/nmmanual.pdf p.11 >>Display 17 - BTS test<< |
| 21:55.42 | HyperSnyper | mtnbkr-laptop will pm |
| 21:56.27 | zogg_laptop | i think i have terrible timeouts |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | btw I bet, though Nokia didn't care to keep the UI working, all the NetMonitor functions are *still* burried in BB5 FW |
| 22:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | and I'd *really |
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| 22:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | * like to see somebody @Nokia drop by here under a pseudonym and leave some hints |
| 22:01.40 | HyperSnyper | heh |
| 22:01.47 | SpeedEvil | Hints, root keys of the modem, and source code dump, nothing much. |
| 22:01.51 | ShadowJK | 'd suspect it relies on bb5 talking to a display and keypad itself |
| 22:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: LOL *cough* |
| 22:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: maybe, maybe not. There'S still the generic flash filesystem that AIUI is supported under BB% as it was under basically 90% of earlier modems |
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| 22:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | BB5 |
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| 22:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: nota bene even on 6210 the NetMonitor was accessible via F-Bus |
| 22:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | and even *needed* F-Bus (or IrDA equiv) to enable NetMon at all |
| 22:05.02 | jesuschrist | dont get mad, buy an iphone and be happy |
| 22:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | /kick jesuschrist |
| 22:05.19 | jesuschrist | :D |
| 22:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: gnokii, kandy |
| 22:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | check Nobbi.com |
| 22:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | best site I ever found about that stuff |
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| 22:11.47 | ShadowJK | I used gnokii to monitor that hand-covering stuff :P |
| 22:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | so you should see the likelihood of whole NetMon available via e.g ISI interface as well |
| 22:13.25 | ShadowJK | netmon not available on my 6230 actually :) |
| 22:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | as ISI supports generic AT interface (somewhat, see pnatd), and all the netmonitor things were via that AT interface |
| 22:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: wut? no netmon on 6230? Probably you just need to enable it |
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| 23:01.50 | thresh | where do I get the correct timezone for N900? |
| 23:02.51 | ShadowJK | what? |
| 23:03.08 | thresh | well, I'm in Moscow |
| 23:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | rofl |
| 23:03.16 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 23:03.33 | thresh | my mobile phone says it's 02:03 now |
| 23:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 23:03.38 | thresh | while it's really 03:03 |
| 23:03.45 | thresh | because of timezone change |
| 23:03.56 | ShadowJK | does moscow go 5->4 tonight? |
| 23:04.02 | thresh | no, 4->4 |
| 23:04.07 | ShadowJK | ... what |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | poor pal, I gues medwedjev's ideas of summer time are not yet implemented in N900 |
| 23:04.12 | thresh | instead of abandoned 4->3 |
| 23:04.32 | thresh | yep, we're staying Summer time forever |
| 23:04.35 | ShadowJK | is moscow staying on summer time for.. ah |
| 23:05.32 | ShadowJK | So you need an updated timezone file.. guess what, unless you find someone with lots of explosives for an extended campaign of terror, Nokia will refuse to provide an updated timezone file for N900 :P |
| 23:05.42 | thresh | yeah.. |
| 23:05.52 | thresh | I can always scp /etc/localtime, but oh well. |
| 23:06.09 | thresh | I imagine the amount of hassle on Monday :D |
| 23:06.10 | ShadowJK | maybe cssu could include timezone update :/ |
| 23:06.18 | ShadowJK | kinda late now though |
| 23:06.23 | thresh | hey I can even use that for coming late to work ! |
| 23:06.29 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:06.29 | thresh | as an excuse |
| 23:06.56 | ShadowJK | Hey, you could do "winter"->summer next spring again, and then skip summer->winter change, and gradually slew timezone towards gmt |
| 23:07.25 | ShadowJK | or um, wait, you're going the other way |
| 23:07.31 | ShadowJK | confused |
| 23:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah summer time all the time is kinda weird |
| 23:08.32 | thresh | hey I'm not arguing my nano-president laws ;) |
| 23:08.48 | thresh | In fact I hate Moscow's now stick to GMT+4 |
| 23:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | I think our posse here should go 2:00->22:00 in 50 minutes |
| 23:09.39 | ShadowJK | Some .fi politician suggested we should hop towards CET or GMT, dunno what became of that idea |
| 23:10.17 | kerio | i'm going back to gmt+1 in an hour |
| 23:10.51 | ShadowJK | is going to gmt+2 in 1 hour 50 |
| 23:16.58 | HyperSnyper | whats the best way to enable 8 home screens ? |
| 23:17.03 | HyperSnyper | instal CSSU ? |
| 23:17.11 | psycho_oreos | yes pretty much |
| 23:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 23:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU is pretty stable by now, dunno why nobody has the bollocks to fork out a stable branch and announce it as ready for primetime |
| 23:19.20 | psycho_oreos | well installing CSSU is probably slightly less painful imo than doing it the old fashioned way. If you only wanted to have 8 homescreens and none of the improvements CSSU has included, then installing them through old fashioned way plus a bit of tinkering should work I think |
| 23:20.02 | psycho_oreos | nobody, including nokia (whom not long ago released PR1.3.1) |
| 23:21.07 | HyperSnyper | well cssu just makes me abit nervous as i've still not done "proper" backups yet |
| 23:21.25 | psycho_oreos | its quite sad really, took nokia that long to realise they needed to release a security patch, but then to ignore what the community decided to do with fixes/updates with its own software they went ahead and released this minor fix without even bothering to look at pushing a major fix |
| 23:21.30 | HyperSnyper | but i'm deffinetly going to need more home screen space soon |
| 23:21.46 | psycho_oreos | so whats wrong with making proper backups now? |
| 23:22.05 | doc|home | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUT39op2Pp8 |
| 23:22.07 | HyperSnyper | lazy |
| 23:22.19 | HyperSnyper | and no microsd |
| 23:22.34 | psycho_oreos | you don't need microsd to perform a proper backup |
| 23:23.10 | HyperSnyper | can backup to same storage its reading from ? |
| 23:23.48 | psycho_oreos | all it takes is to move a few things around (if your eMMC is chock-a-block full), perform the backup, and make a copy of the backup elsewhere before deleting the backup. Should the day that you need to revert your backup, you have that copy elsewhere |
| 23:24.29 | psycho_oreos | depending on which backup you're talking about, the two backup software that I know does backup to eMMC. One does it by default, the other gives you an option with that or microSD |
| 23:25.20 | HyperSnyper | going to install backupmenu |
| 23:26.49 | psycho_oreos | that's the latter on I was referring to, it can backup to eMMC but it doesn't allow backing up of eMMC itself, plus (why would you need to when you can enable mass storage mode and dump it from there anyway?) it allows backing up to microsd |
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| 23:28.19 | HyperSnyper | is restoring via backupmenu safe aswell ? |
| 23:29.22 | psycho_oreos | fairly safe, as long as you're not restoring a backup when your device is running out of power, etc |
| 23:30.06 | HyperSnyper | same power risk when doing backups ? |
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| 23:37.54 | psycho_oreos | same obvious power risk :) there's nothing more damaging then restoring a backup when your device is running out of juice. Though the same goes as with making a backup when your device does not work or does not have the proper setup you want (e.g. broken programs, etc), as restoring it will bring them all back |
| 23:40.26 | SpeedEvil | rsync |
| 23:42.01 | psycho_oreos | I've tried rsync before through sshd many times before, I almost always get that reboot :) |
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| 23:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 23:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | it does a rsync every day here, and I never faced any problems other than an inevitable CPU load peak |
| 23:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | anyway for HyperSnyper doing a backup via backupmenu should be as painless and safe as milk |
| 23:50.43 | HyperSnyper | im alergic to milk |
| 23:50.44 | HyperSnyper | :x |